Hedo Turkoglu signing with Raptors 5 yr 56 mil

[amfirst]

Source: Turkoglu changes mind on Blazers
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
1 hour, 25 minutes ago

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Free agent Hedo Turkoglu(notes) has backed out of his commitment to the Portland Trail Blazers and plans to sign with the Toronto Raptors, a source close to the talks told Yahoo! Sports on Friday night.

Turkoglu had agreed on a five-year, $50 million deal with the Blazers, but changed his mind and could be headed for a five-year, $56 million deal with the Raptors. Toronto would have to renounce three free agents – Shawn Marion(notes), Carlos Delfino(notes) and Anthony Parker(notes) – to create the cap space for Turkoglu.

Apparently, the Blazers are already busy exploring other free-agent options for the $9 million in salary-cap space.

A source says Turkoglu’s wife wanted badly to live in Toronto, a far more European-style city, and that’s where it appears the Turkish native is headed. The Raptors have embraced the Euro game under GM Bryan Colangelo, building a roster that includes Euro talents Jose Calderon(notes) and Andrea Bargnani(notes).

Five years ago, Turkoglu was close to signing with the Phoenix Suns that Colangelo was running, but changed his mind and went to the Orlando Magic.

After opting out of his contract last week in Orlando, he became one of the hottest free agents on the market. Turkoglu, 30, averaged 16.8 points and 5.3 rebounds last season for the Magic.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns


Hedo Turkoglu signing with Raptors. Wife wants to be in Toronto. :lol

Someone post a pic of Hedo's wife, she better be hot.

[IamSofaKing]

Source?

Anyway im watching out for this on SC, im not looking forward to this btw

[Huey Freeman]

Re: Hedo Turkoglu signing with Raptors 5 yr 56k

56k? Man, talk about a pay cut! :lol

[amfirst]

Can't mess with the wifey. What she wants she gets. :lol

Too bad for the Blazer, thought they were gonna be good with him there.

[1~Gibson~1]

56k? :lol

Gibson makes more than that :pimp:

[plat1numX]

56k....might as well quit basketball

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Re: Hedo Turkoglu signing with Raptors 5 yr 56k

56k? Man, talk about a pay cut! :lol

not K my friend....its 56Mil

[IamSofaKing]

Omg i dont want Turkoglu... :cry:, i was looking forward for the raptors to resign marion and delfino...

[amfirst]

:lol Opps, lol

U guys get what I mean.

[OneMoreSucka]

not K my friend....its 56Mil
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/345/facepalmsmiley.gif

[1~Gibson~1]

:banana: :banana: :banana:
Come to Cleveland Marion! :pimp:

[new noise]

I suppose we have Wifey Turk to blame for another half-decade or more of mediocrity. Good to know.

[danumber88]

No.. Delfino?? :cry:
Our SG spot looks meek now. We have to rely on Derozan.

[bagelred]

Source?

[beasted86]

The internet has run amuck with NBA Twitter rumors.

I doubt Tukoglu has signed with the Raptors after not even meeting with them.

[1~Gibson~1]

Source?its the longest post on the first page just not in quotations

[BingBongBrother]

What does his wife look like? Is she howt?

[bagelred]

its the longest post on the first page just not in quotations

But that's just speculation. It's not a definite.

[1~Gibson~1]

But that's just speculation. It's not a definite.oh........well, there isnt a real source yet, but i think they said his options were either Portland or Toronto, and he just bagged out of the portland deal so......

[bagelred]

oh........well, there isnt a real source yet, but i think they said his options were either Portland or Toronto, and he just bagged out of the portland deal so......

I guess. But we all thought Portland was a definite, so who knows? :confusedshrug:

[ConanRulesNBC]

So he goes from the Magic who just made the NBA finals to possibly joining the Blazers and now joining a team that might not even have a chance to make it to the playoffs? Yeah...

[PleezeBelieve]

So he goes from the Magic who just made the NBA finals to possibly joining the Blazers and now joining a team that might not even have a chance to make it to the playoffs? Yeah...
:rolleyes:

[IamSofaKing]

So he goes from the Magic who just made the NBA finals to possibly joining the Blazers and now joining a team that might not even have a chance to make it to the playoffs? Yeah...

He clearly stated that hes in it for the money....

[OneMoreSucka]

What does his wife look like? Is she howt?
I think she was Miss Turkey?

http://www.playerwives.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/dogumgunu2-hedo79.jpg

[brooks_thompson]

I'm really disappointed with the last 2 years of Raptors management and basketball.

[D-Rose]

chrisbosh IF IT'S TRUE..Let's get it cracking H Turk!!!

Calderon
Derozan
Hedo
Bargnani
Bosh

Got to think they've got a great shot at the 8th seed.

[IamSofaKing]

Look like Chris Bosh wants Turkoglu to come to Toronto... http://www.twitter.com/chrisbosh

[PleezeBelieve]

Calderon
Derozan
Hedo
Bargnani
Bosh

Got to think they've got a great shot at the 8th seed.
Team will atleast be the 4th seed. They're better than Detroit, Chicago, Miami, and probably Washington.

[Showtime]

Hedo has 100 problems...

[beasted86]

Team will atleast be the 4th seed. They're better than Detroit, Chicago, Miami, and probably Washington.
:oldlol:

[ZHAKIDD532]

Wow sounded like he was all set to go to Portland.

[Snoop_Cat]

Calderon, Bargnani, Turkoglu, and Bosh, a guy so soft he might as well be white

3 (4 is you count Bosh) white guys in the starting line-up....
:facepalm:
:banghead: :confusedshrug: :wtf: :sleeping

[PleezeBelieve]

:oldlol:
What's so funny?? :confusedshrug:

[Qwyjibo]

Team will atleast be the 4th seed. They're better than Detroit, Chicago, Miami, and probably Washington.

I don't see them being better than a healthy Washington. I'd personally pick Chicago to be better too but that's debatable. It's a toss-up between them, Miami, Atlanta and Philly after that.

So the Raptors are capped out, don't have depth and are probably a borderline playoff team. :ohwell:

[BingBongBrother]

I think she was Miss Turkey?

http://www.playerwives.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/dogumgunu2-hedo79.jpg
Turk looks quite mature on his 3rd birthday.

[BFRESH44]

What's so funny?? :confusedshrug:


The fact that you think Demar Derozan and Hedo Turkoglu is going to have the Raptors jump from the lottery to the 4th seed in the east is most certainly funny.

[bagelred]

Turk looks quite mature on his 3rd birthday.

You are being ridiculous.

It's his SECOND birthday. One candle is for good luck! :cheers:

[D-Rose]

It's official!!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/basketball/turkoglu-ends-talks-with-blazers-next-stop-toronto/article1206439/


In a sudden rush at the end of a frenzied week, the Toronto Raptors have remade their roster and signed free-agent forward Hedo Turkoglu, The Globe and Mail has confirmed.

The versatile Orlando Magic forward appeared poised to sign with the Portland Trail Blazers until a late bid by the Raptors -- in excess of $50-million over five seasons for the 30 year-old -- caused the change of heart, even as Turkoglu was in Portland visiting with the Trail Blazers.

Turkoglu had agreed on a five-year, $50-million (all currency U.S.) deal with the Blazers, but will sign with the Raptors for more than $10-million a season. Signing Turkoglu means the Raptors will have to renounce their rights to their existing free agents – Shawn Marion, Carlos Delfino and Anthony Parker – to create the cap space for Turkoglu.

Turkoglu’s agent, Lon Babby, didn’t immediately return calls from The Globe and Mail and the Raptors would not comment. ESPN.com first reported yesterday that Turkoglu had agreed to join the Trail Blazers after helping the Orlando Magic reach the NBA final this season. The team won't be able to officially confirm the deal until the July 8th.

[ElPigto]

Only team that irks me about this team is that there is still no defense.

Yuck. I would hate watching a team that doesn't play defense.

[D-Rose]

Only team that irks me about this team is that there is still no defense.

Yuck. I would hate watching a team that doesn't play defense.
Suns? :confusedshrug:

[TMAC-RAPTORS]

The fact that you think Demar Derozan and Hedo Turkoglu is going to have the Raptors jump from the lottery to the 4th seed in the east is most certainly funny.

How about getting Jose back healthy which he was near the end of the season when we started to win games. And another year of Bargnani actually playing like a starter. We probably won't get 4th seed + but it's not impossible because the east is that weak.

Calderon(Borderline All-star)
Delfino(Please somehow get him!)/Derozan(Top 10 Draft Pick)
Hedo(Borderline All-star)
Bosh(All-star)
Bargnani(Borderline All-star)

[Qwyjibo]

Only team that irks me about this team is that there is still no defense.

Yuck. I would hate watching a team that doesn't play defense.

Bryan Colangelo doesn't care.

Offense sells tickets among the casual fans. They won't care if the team constantly exits in the 1st round. And neither will Colangelo or the management as long as the cash is rolling in.

[HylianNightmare]

I think she was Miss Turkey?

http://www.playerwives.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/dogumgunu2-hedo79.jpg

not gonna lie
that is a damn cute cake

[beasted86]

The fact that you think Demar Derozan and Hedo Turkoglu is going to have the Raptors jump from the lottery to the 4th seed in the east is most certainly funny.

What he said.

[Skywalker]

**** yes

[BingBongBrother]

How about getting Jose back healthy which he was near the end of the season when we started to win games. And another year of Bargnani actually playing like a starter. We probably won't get 4th seed + but it's not impossible because the east is that weak.

Calderon(Borderline All-star)
Delfino(Please somehow get him!)/Derozan(Top 10 Draft Pick)
Hedo(Borderline All-star)
Bosh(All-star)
Bargnani(Borderline All-star)
Bargnani is borderline all-star? J.Maglore style maybe..

[Pinkhearts]

You really think it's for his wife...that's just some BS.

This guy is getting overpaid earning over 11m a year. You will definitely choose that!

[IamSofaKing]

Bargnani is borderline all-star? J.Maglore style maybe..

He averaged close to 19 PPG and 6 RPG last year as a starter...

[Atomic DOG]

lol he's making his wife the scapegoat for him pulling a carlos boozer.

guarantee his wife didnt have a fraction to do with it that the extra 6 million did.

[TMAC-RAPTORS]

Bargnani is borderline all-star? J.Maglore style maybe..

Wait nvm, Shaq and Dwight are already in the all-star roster.

[LA_Showtime]

I'm trying to figure out why the Raptors think adding a 30 year old SF to the roster is a good idea. They have to renounce all of their free agents, meaning the remaining roster spots will be signed with the minimum. I guess the "Jerry Colangelo is going to Toronto and will turn that team around" talk should be put to rest.:oldlol:

[beasted86]

How about getting Jose back healthy which he was near the end of the season when we started to win games. And another year of Bargnani actually playing like a starter. We probably won't get 4th seed + but it's not impossible because the east is that weak.

Calderon(Borderline All-star)
Delfino(Please somehow get him!)/Derozan(Top 10 Draft Pick)
Hedo(Borderline All-star)
Bosh(All-star)
Bargnani(Borderline All-star)
:roll:

If Toronto gets the 4th seed, I will permaban myself. That's how sure I am they won't get the 4th seed. Im 100% guaranteeing it.

[Qwyjibo]

Wait nvm, Shaq and Dwight are already in the all-star roster.
Brook Lopez is a better C in the East as well. Horford and Bogut too maybe.

[lakerfreak]

Why aren't people upset at this guy for changing his mind?

Boozer did the same thing and everyone was hating so bad on boozer.

[Atomic DOG]

Boozer did the same thing and everyone was hating so bad on boozer.


i'm sure there will be no shortage of jeering when toronto shows up in portland

[Kujo]

I have mixed feelings about this. Yes, we'll better. Will it be enough to keep Bosh? I doubt it. It depends on how we do next season. We should make the playoffs (6-8th seed), but I don't see us winning a playoff series.

This is a desperation move by BC. He had to do something drastic.

Money talks, and I've never been to Portland, but I'm pretty sure Toronto is the better city. :D

[BFRESH44]

Why aren't people upset at this guy for changing his mind?

Boozer did the same thing and everyone was hating so bad on boozer.

It's a bit diffrent. Cavs went completly out of their way to be corteous to Boozer. As a second round pick, they had a minimum contract option on him, and they choose to decline it and offer him a multi year contract. Then the Jazz came calling and offered several more million and he dipped. That was nasssssssssssty. :oldlol:

[Kungfro]

Why aren't people upset at this guy for changing his mind?

Boozer did the same thing and everyone was hating so bad on boozer.

Raptor fans are busy hating Colangalo.

[Qwyjibo]

Why aren't people upset at this guy for changing his mind?

Boozer did the same thing and everyone was hating so bad on boozer.
Maybe people finally realized how stupid they were for being mad at Boozer. He made the right choice by taking the significantly bigger deal. Cleveland was stupid for actually believing whatever verbal agreement they had.

[IamSofaKing]

i'm sure there will be no shortage of jeering when toronto shows up in portland

Hmmm... I wonder if Raptor fans will still boo Vince?

And i dont know why Brian Colangelo is considered a good GM

[Interminator]

Wow get off ISH and this **** happens.

Toronto might be very good next season in an underrated type of way, they still need a good coach though.

[IamSofaKing]

Wow get off ISH and this **** happens.

Toronto might be very good next season in an underrated type of way, they still need a good coach though.

Can't they still get Sam Mitchell? I know it will never happen but he is still under contract...

[ElPigto]

Why aren't people upset at this guy for changing his mind?

Boozer did the same thing and everyone was hating so bad on boozer.

I think everyone hated on him for deceiving a blind man.

[new noise]

Can't they still get Sam Mitchell? I know it will never happen but he is still under contract...

If anything, we might need the guy to come play for them.

[D-Rose]

sportsguy33 FYI: Hedo changed his mind in Portland after seeing Greg Oden limp towards him for a handshake. (Waiting.) What, too soon?
LOL Bill Simmons

[NotYetGreat]

Nothing's final until next week though, right? I honestly can't see Turk playing for them. I think Portland would've been a better fit. :confusedshrug:

[R.I.P.]

Portland should thank that woman till the end of time. 11 million a year for a 30 year old Hedo Turkoglu. That contract should be called the "Austin Croshere Deluxe-Package". :oldlol:

Last year (in his prime) Hedo averaged 17pts, 5ast, and 5 rebs and shot 41% from the field. So he

[beasted86]

He averaged close to 19 PPG and 6 RPG last year as a starter...

He averaged 17.7 PPG, and 5.9 REB as a starter on 34 minutes, with 45% FG, and 41% 3PT....as a 3rd yr player

in comparison... Beasley as a starter averaged:
16.7 PPG, and 6.7 REB on 30 minutes, with 48% FG, and 38% 3PT... as a rookie

So as you see there is nothing special about his production as a starter. Neither of them are a borderline all-star with these very mediocre stats.

[RoseCity07]

If Toronto by way of miracle decides to come to it's senses and not sign Hedo. I hope Portland lowers it's offer drastically and laughs.

[Kujo]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Portland should thank that woman till the end of time. 11 million a year for a 30 year old Hedo Turkoglu. That contract should be called the "Austin Croshere Deluxe-Package". :oldlol:

Last year (in his prime) Hedo averaged 17pts, 5ast, and 5 rebs and shot 41% from the field. So he

[Skywalker]

The Saviour has arrived.

[ChrisKreager]

WHY?

The Blazers are a much better team than the underachieving Raptors.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

Turkoglu for that much is over doing it. Especially a team that isn't near contending. This might bring us to the playoffs though, maybe.

I think they are really trying to keep Bosh.

[beasted86]

Stat Nazi....:bowdown:
:cheers:

This website shows pretty much everything you need to know, all sorted and ready to use: http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/home

[TMAC-RAPTORS]

He averaged 17.7 PPG, and 5.9 REB as a starter on 34 minutes, with 45% FG, and 41% 3PT....as a 3rd yr player

in comparison... Beasley as a starter averaged:
16.7 PPG, and 6.7 REB on 30 minutes, with 48% FG, and 38% 3PT... as a rookie

So as you see there is nothing special about his production as a starter. Neither of them are a borderline all-star with these very mediocre stats.

Bargnani as a starting center avgs 18.9 ppg, 6 rpg, with 47.5 FG%, 45.2 3FG% and 1.4 blocks on the side. Beasley only played 19 games as a starter and Bargnani played 59 games with 44 of them playing the center position. Bargnani acutally attemps to play defense and is pretty decent at it unlike Beasley.

[JordanL]

:oldlol:

Toronto is going to be hilarious at the end of the year.

Contracts in a complete mess... totally unbalanced roster... desperately trying to convince Bosh to stay... too good to get a decent pick, too bad to actually matter...

[Skywalker]

too good to get a decent pick, too bad to actually matter...

sounds like portland :confusedshrug:

[beasted86]

Bargnani as a starting center avgs 18.9 ppg, 6 rpg, with 47.5 FG%, 45.2 3FG% and 1.4 blocks on the side. Beasley only played 19 games as a starter and Bargnani played 59 games with 44 of them playing the center position. Bargnani acutally attemps to play defense and is pretty decent at it unlike Beasley.
Here you go: http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/toronto-raptors/players/andrea-bargnani/stats/09/28/395

Read where it says... as a C.

[beasted86]

Bargnan Beasley only played 19 games as a starter and Bargnani played 59 games with 44 of them playing the center position. Bargnani acutally attemps to play defense and is pretty decent at it unlike Beasley.

Whatever you say, man. I really don't care. If you want to fool yourself into thinking Bargnani is a borderline All-star... so be it.

As a Heat fan I truly hope the front office thinks the same and overpays him next year.

[chitownsfinest]

Does this mean Portland is going to go out and break the bank on Andre Miller? What is plan B for them?

[Grinder]

Calderon
Derozan
Turkoglu
Bosh
Bargnani

Starting lineup looks great on paper (and for the Euroleague) but they've got absolutely no depth. Reggie Evans and Kris Humphries as your backup bigs? Possibly Nathan Jawai? Roko Ukic as the third guard off the bench? Joey Graham as the primary backup wing?

Worst bench in the league.

[Skywalker]

Colangelo will pull some Euro nobodies over they were talking about some Greek guy, and they will be serviceable, like always.

[Qwyjibo]

Starting lineup looks great on paper (and for the Euroleague) but they've got absolutely no depth. Reggie Evans and Kris Humphries as your backup bigs? Possibly Nathan Jawai? Roko Ukic as the third guard off the bench? Joey Graham as the primary backup wing?

Worst bench in the league.

Graham is gone.

The bench as of right now is:

Evans, Humprhies, scrubs (Ukic, Banks, Douby, O'Bryant, Jawai)

[meh]

Wow, sucks for Portland. I believe both Aldridge and Roy will be getting a huge pay raise next year, right? So it's not like they can just save this money for next offseason.

I guess this signing works for Toronto if they can get Bosh to stay. Otherwise, just a waste of money.

[BallPhunk]

Sucks for Portland. Would have actually made the quite interesting next year.

These may have been posted already, but this I believe is his wife:

http://www.playerwives.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/dogumgunu2-hedo79.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_r_XtPU-F-5o/Sh4nwB3cVQI/AAAAAAAADq0/mDqvvRnghUU/s1600/hedo%2BTuyrkoglu.Jpeg

[Grinder]

Colangelo will pull some Euro nobodies over they were talking about some Greek guy, and they will be serviceable, like always.

Nah, Printenzis signed with Unicaja Malaga.

[chitownsfinest]

I do not like this move too much. A team that would need Hedo is a team that lacks a play maker who can get shots for everyone else but Tor already has one in Calderon. Panic move on BC's part imo. This does suck for Portland because they needed a playmaker who can complement Roy at the wing spot.

[R.I.P.]

The contract is outrageous. We are severely over paying Turk out of pure desperation if this goes down.

He'll make us better right away, but this contract may come back to bite us.

In three years, when he is 33/34 you

[Qwyjibo]

A team that would need Hedo is a team that lacks a play maker who can get shots for everyone else but Tor already has one in Calderon.
Actually the Raptors badly needed another playmaker in the lineup. Calderon isn't exactly an aggressive offensive player. This is pretty much the only part of "Turkoglu to Toronto" that I like.

[JordanL]

Does this mean Portland is going to go out and break the bank on Andre Miller? What is plan B for them?

**** no.

Plan B is to sit back and wait for someone else to screw up. Keep working the phones, look for trades, come to camp in September and wait till the deadline to panic.

Until then we have an extra $8 million in cap we can use in trades.

[Skywalker]

http://i40.tinypic.com/2gueckl.png

[bagelred]

http://i42.tinypic.com/j9c3gw.png

:lol

[bagelred]

This guy on twitter broke the hedo news before anyone else

Shawn Marion, you lucky f-ck.

[hawkfan]

Who's coming off the bench? Marion or Bargnani?

[Skywalker]

neither I bet

[TMAC-RAPTORS]

can hedo play the 2?

[Skywalker]

on offense, and Marion on defense I would think

[Qwyjibo]

Who's coming off the bench? Marion or Bargnani?

Are you kidding me? Who do you think? And it has nothing to do with who is the better player.

[Dr. Dunk]

Raptors are paying him 2 much. He's a good player, but not worth that.

[White Chocolate]

Another grossly overpaid player. At this time next year, Hedo could be costing this team greatly, not to mention them dealing with Bosh's situation.

[ihatetimthomas]

Essentially the Raptors are paying for Turk and for Bosh on this one. This is their last attempt to make this team somewhat credible in the hopes of retaining Chris Bosh. So is he overpaid? Yea a little bit, but this signing is really for Bosh. Not to mention it gives them a proven 4th quarter scorer and overall playmaker. They overpaid to show they want to win, something they really needed to do if they wanted to compete next year. Overpaid or not, this makes the Raptor better. He stretches the floor for Bosh and is a legitimate 2 option to Bosh. Toronto should be very happy

[D-Rose]

Remember people, Bosh might cooperate in a S&T with Toronto to wherever if he leaves...this team might still be in decent shape if he leaves.

[Aldridge Fan]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Portland should thank that woman till the end of time. 11 million a year for a 30 year old Hedo Turkoglu. That contract should be called the "Austin Croshere Deluxe-Package". :oldlol:

Last year (in his prime) Hedo averaged 17pts, 5ast, and 5 rebs and shot 41% from the field. So he

[Fatal9]

wow :oldlol:

clearly overestimated Colangelo's decision-making. What the hell is this? I'm loving knowing that my team isn't accomplishing sh*t for the next 5 years. Hopefully Derozan is better than anyone thought and Raps snatch up good-franchise building type of talent in the next couple of drafts. Only hope at this point...

[Tool]

Someone should photo shop him in a Raptors jersey. I can't wait til Fall!


a source told ESPN.com, was his desire to play in Toronto, a more international and cosmopolitan city -- one with a large Turkish population

Thank God Hedo is here

http://i43.tinypic.com/2mgmk4o.jpg

[Bigsmoke]

Hedo Turkoglu?

the man is gonna turn 35 5 years from now:lol

[Tool]

Hedo Turkoglu?

the man is gonna turn 35 5 years from now:lol

And he will have 5 rings on each finger, whats your point?

:hammertime:

[Faufner]

I heard it was 53 million...that lessens the blow much more.

[Bigsmoke]

And he will have 5 rings on each finger, whats your point?

:hammertime:

i think the Lakers will still kill...

[momo]

That's kind of what I was thinking. Losing this deal isn't really a heart breaker for me. I was kind of worried about paying so much for a broken down player who will be 35 making 11 mil. :confusedshrug: Great player right now but not sure if he's worth that much for the long run.

I am of the same mind and I like Turk. But I do not think Portland needs to overpay for him... I think they need time to grow into being what they need.

[raptorfan_dr07]

Team will atleast be the 4th seed. They're better than Detroit, Chicago, Miami, and probably Washington.

No we won't. With Turk, we're a low seed at best, probably 7-8. And in a few years when Bosh is probably gone, Hedo's contract will be killing this team. We have absolutely zero bench depth now.

Personally, I would rather have just resigned Marion and brought back Delfino and possibly Parker than give Hedo this big contract. Oh well, at least maybe Demar Derozan can turn out to be a star or something.

[LJJ]

And he will have 5 rings on each finger



So he will win 50 championships in five years?

Hedo is a beast.

[NotYetGreat]

And he will have 5 rings on each finger, whats your point?

:hammertime:

That would've been some awesome ownage if only you didn't say something so unrealistic that totally made you look foolish. :ohwell:

[Tool]

So he will win 50 championships in five years?

Hedo is a beast.

Your a smart one :rockon:

[kwajo]

This will help Bosh more than anyone, watch for his rebounding numbers to go back up to the 12/game range.

[DoubleTech]

raps are ****ed for throwing this kind of $$$ at Hedo... Bryan was DESPERATE

imo, this move was made only for the purpose of pleasing bosh... and if bosh walks after this season, we'll look really dumb paying Hedo 11 mill at age 35.

[NBA4EVER]

if hedo is really going to toronto then i just thought i would post this little preview of how it would look

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2550/3687313772_b251aa1208_o.jpg

[A.M.G.]

Fire Bryan Colangelo.

[DoubleTech]

can we finally squash the "Free Agents won't sign in Toronto" theory?

Hedo (the top free agent this summer) picked Toronto over a very promising Portland squad with the money being very close.

agree/disagree?

[bada bing]

can we finally squash the "Free Agents won't sign in Toronto" theory?

Hedo (the top free agent this summer) picked Toronto over a very promising Portland squad with the money being very close.

agree/disagree?

agreed! Whether the idiot raptor fans like Bosh or not, other NBA stars want to play with this guy. That says a lot about the guy. Toronto should have no problem signing free agents. We just have to pay a little more than other teams to get players.

But once Bosh is gone and we are in rebuilding mode, its going to go back to the old days where players cried about going to Toronto.

[beasted86]

Personally, I would rather have just resigned Marion and brought back Delfino and possibly Parker than give Hedo this big contract. Oh well, at least maybe Demar Derozan can turn out to be a star or something.

I was wondering what Raptors fans opinions on this was.... because anyone with a brain will tell you

Marion/Graham/Parker/Delfino + MLE > Turkoglu + MLE

[DoubleTech]

raps still have roughly over 2 mill in cap space. on top of that, if we do a S&T with Orlando for the rights to some euro bigman and a massive trade exception, we can still bring back delfino and use our MLE

[TMT]

Team will atleast be the 4th seed. They're better than Detroit, Chicago, Miami, and probably Washington.


4th seed? Are you joking?
Hedo does not turn the Raptors from a lottery team to a top team in the East.

[LJJ]

The thing that sucks is that the Raptors don't have the MLE. :oldlol:

[boozehound]

raps still have roughly over 2 mill in cap space. on top of that, if we do a S&T with Orlando for the rights to some euro bigman and a massive trade exception, we can still bring back delfino and use our MLE
how do you have both cap space (after renouncing the rights to marion, delfino, etc) and the MLE?

[TMT]

The thing that sucks is that the Raptors don't have the MLE. :oldlol:

Who are they using it on?

[LJJ]

Who are they using it on?

The MLE is simply the right to spend up to the average NBA contract once per season regardless of cap space.

If the Raptors already commit 11 million to Turkoglu that means their whole MLE is already spent.

[beasted86]

raps still have roughly over 2 mill in cap space. on top of that, if we do a S&T with Orlando for the rights to some euro bigman and a massive trade exception, we can still bring back delfino and use our MLE

We'd have to see what the starting amount of Hedo's the contract is, and what the NBA's sets the salary cap at. Delfino's cap hold should be around $4.5M (250% of $1.8M), so it doesn't look promising if the starting year is anywhere near ~$11M.

[A.M.G.]

can we finally squash the "Free Agents won't sign in Toronto" theory?

Hedo (the top free agent this summer) picked Toronto over a very promising Portland squad with the money being very close.

agree/disagree?
The top free agent this summer? Artest, Marion, Iverson, Odom and maybe Kidd are all on the same level. The fact that we were stupid enough to pay Hedo this much, which is more than any of those other guys are going to get, is our own fault.

Just like the last three years, the Raptors are going to be really good offensively as long as their jumpshots are falling, really ****ty offensively when they aren't, and exceptionally ****ty on defense and rebounding basically all the time, no matter how hard they try. Also, we will have a terrible bench AGAIN.

If we make the playoffs (signing Hedo gives us a shot, but it's still very iffy) and Bosh decides to stick around, this will have been a decent move.

But one way or another, he is getting overpaid and now we have no room to add more pieces, unless MLSE (the second richest professional sports ownership in North America after MSG) coughs up the dough to go over the cap, which they won't.

[Qwyjibo]

I was wondering what Raptors fans opinions on this was.... because anyone with a brain will tell you

Marion/Parker/Delfino + MLE > Turkoglu

I think it's more like that but obviously. Compare how many happy Raptors fans you've seen here to the unhappy ones.

This is a retarded deal unless it turns into some kind of a sign-and-trade. I don't really how that would be possible right now though.

Desperation by Bryan Colangelo.

[Kujo]

can we finally squash the "Free Agents won't sign in Toronto" theory?

Hedo (the top free agent this summer) picked Toronto over a very promising Portland squad with the money being very close.

agree/disagree?


Well, in Turks case, it helped that Toronto has a large Turkish community. That was a major factor. It had to less to due with the how good or bad our team is, or even the money since Portland's deal wasn't that much less.

Let's be honest. If Portland had a large Turkish/multicultural city like Toronto, Turk would have signed with Portland.

How successful we are with regards to big time free agents signing in Toronto (Turk is not that category, we all know it) depends on what happens with CB4.



I think it's more like that but obviously. Compare how many happy Raptors fans you've seen here to the unhappy ones.

This is a retarded deal unless it turns into some kind of a sign-and-trade. I don't really how that would be possible right now though.

Desperation by Bryan Colangelo.


I completely agree. Desperate attempt by BC to keep Bosh that probably won't work out, and gives us no depth whatsoever.

[Sriracha]

Hedo signing with the Raptor hurt the Magic more then Hedo helping the Raptor...if that makes any sense.

[plat1numX]

Bosh is very happy with Hedo signing and cant wait for next season...BC did his job :rockon:

[knickballer]

I was wondering what Raptors fans opinions on this was.... because anyone with a brain will tell you

Marion/Graham/Parker/Delfino + MLE > Turkoglu + MLE


A bunch of role players or a borderline all-star? Give me the all-star. Graham, Delfino and Parker are role players, did Graham and Delfino ever average more then 5ppg? Hedo is twice the player Marion is. Raptors can replace those average role players easily...

[Qwyjibo]

Hedo is twice the player Marion is.
Not even close to being true.

I'd take Marion + Delfino alone over Hedo.

[D-Rose]

The Raptors may still work out a S&T with Orlando for Delfino...

Shouldn't Orlando try and get Marion for the SF position? S&T??

[Take Your Lumps]

The Raptors may still work out a S&T with Orlando for Delfino...

Shouldn't Orlando try and get Marion for the SF position? S&T??

Not a huge fan of Marion...mostly because he's like the ultimate system player and gets paid way more than he should...but if he were to really succeed anywhere at this point in his career it would be in Orlando's system.

[beasted86]

A bunch of role players or a borderline all-star? Give me the all-star. Graham, Delfino and Parker are role players, did Graham and Delfino ever average more then 5ppg? Hedo is twice the player Marion is. Raptors can replace those average role players easily...
With what money? The contract ties their hands for this offseason, leaving them only with the MLE & minimum contracts.

I also wouldn't say twice the player Marion is.

While Hedo can create offense which leads to points for teammates & himself... he shoots low FG%, and only averaged 16PPG. Marion averaged 14 points as a role player for Toronto, and is twice the defender & rebounder Hedo is.

As a collection of talent considering the Raptors have absolotely no bench... Marion + Graham + Parker + Delfino > Hedo by himself.

And if this is true about the contract amount... this is essentially their '2010 plan' to keep Bosh... because they will be over the cap next year by signing Bargnani to a new contract. Is this really a good enough team to keep Bosh, and make them a legit playoff threat every year for the next 4 years?

[beasted86]

The Raptors may still work out a S&T with Orlando for Delfino...

Shouldn't Orlando try and get Marion for the SF position? S&T??

I don't think he fits into Orlando's "surround Howard with perimeter shooters" offense.

[D-Rose]

I don't think he fits into Orlando's "surround Howard with perimeter shooters" offense.
Yeah, but if Sheed doesn't sign...they don't have many other options?

[beasted86]

Yeah, but if Sheed doesn't sign...they don't have many other options?
Grant Hill

He costs nothing (would keep them from paying too much luxury tax), wants to play for a contender, already has a house in Orlando, and history with the Magic.

While not as strong of a defender & rebounder... he is no slouch. Also, even though he's a never been a strong perimeter shooter, he's still better than Marion, and wouldn't ask for a long term contract like Marion would.

[ZeN]

The Raptors may still work out a S&T with Orlando for Delfino...

Shouldn't Orlando try and get Marion for the SF position? S&T??


I hope not that would make them lethal...:eek:

[ZeN]

I don't think he fits into Orlando's "surround Howard with perimeter shooters" offense.


Shawn can be the versatility in that offence... he can run and spot shoot...

[beasted86]

Shawn can be the versatility in that offence... he can run and spot shoot...
So can Grant Hill for 1/4 the price

[Qwyjibo]

With what money? The contract ties their hands for this offseason, leaving them only with the MLE & minimum contracts.
I'm pretty sure the Raptors don't even have the MLE if this goes through. If there is no sign-and-trade involved, the Raptors are scraping the bottle of the barrel looking for minimum contract players for their bench.

[shadow]

wow...I'm thinking right about now Ariza is wishing he had Turkoglu's agent.
Seriously though this is telling about his priorities when it comes money and championships.

[IamSofaKing]

A bunch of role players or a borderline all-star? Give me the all-star. Graham, Delfino and Parker are role players, did Graham and Delfino ever average more then 5ppg? Hedo is twice the player Marion is. Raptors can replace those average role players easily...

Graham last season 7.7 PPG on 19.8 Mins on 48.1%

Delfino 8.6 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 2.2 APG in 24.2 MPG he was also a pretty good defender too...

So see signing Turkoglu didnt nothing but screw the Raptors, what about our bench? I'm just hoping Colangelo does some sort of S&T to get rid of Turk..

[hassano]

Not even close to being true.

I'd take Marion + Delfino alone over Hedo.

i sure as hell wouldnt only because marions best assests were supposed to be to give defense and slashing to toronto, and it was clear that his defense had regressed and honestly Hedo brings a whole new weapon on offense which is the ability to run the pick and roll with bosh, bargnani or even derozan leaving calderon in the corner for a three plus maybe the most important thing he brings is an ability to close games that was absolutely a void in the raptors games last year... plus we can still get delfino so i really dont know where your going with this except give raptor fans a reason to really hate the raps forum and ish in general

[Skywalker]

So see signing Turkoglu didnt nothing but screw the Raptors, what about our bench? I'm just hoping Colangelo does some sort of S&T to get rid of Turk..


why do all the Raps fans want back what we had last season? LMAO we SUCKED last season

[godofgods]

Calderon, Bargnani, Turkoglu, and Bosh, a guy so soft he might as well be white

3 (4 is you count Bosh) white guys in the starting line-up....
:facepalm:
:banghead: :confusedshrug: :wtf: :sleeping

Now, now, let's not be a racist ****** about it.

[bballnoob]

why do all the Raps fans want back what we had last season? LMAO we SUCKED last season

The alternative is improvement through the addition of minimum salary guys or nothing. It's up to you if that is worth the slight (if any) upgrade Hedo brings over Marion.

A large reason of the Rap's poor record was giving big minutes to crap NBA talent and that will probably be a bigger issue this season.

[Lebron23]

No we won't. With Turk, we're a low seed at best, probably 7-8. And in a few years when Bosh is probably gone, Hedo's contract will be killing this team. We have absolutely zero bench depth now.

Personally, I would rather have just resigned Marion and brought back Delfino and possibly Parker than give Hedo this big contract. Oh well, at least maybe Demar Derozan can turn out to be a star or something.


Not even close to being true.

I'd take Marion + Delfino alone over Hedo.



Raptors are paying him 2 much. He's a good player, but not worth that.



Another grossly overpaid player. At this time next year, Hedo could be costing this team greatly, not to mention them dealing with Bosh's situation.


:oldlol:

Toronto is going to be hilarious at the end of the year.

Contracts in a complete mess... totally unbalanced roster... desperately trying to convince Bosh to stay... too good to get a decent pick, too bad to actually matter...

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]In three years, when he is 33/34 you

[Beebo]

**** hedo turkoglu

Hope he gets deported back to Turkey

[LA_Showtime]

A mentally handicapped autistic moron could have predicted this to be a terrible signing. Sometimes I have no idea how GMs think. I mean come on, signing a known underachiever who had one solid year but for the majority of the playoffs stunk it up to a 5 year for 56 million... really? Maybe if the Raptors needed a guy to put them over the top... maybe then I could understand, but this team was garbage before he came and guess what, they're still garbage.

[lpublic_enemyl]

A mentally handicapped autistic moron could have predicted this to be a terrible signing. Sometimes I have no idea how GMs think. I mean come on, signing a known underachiever who had one solid year but for the majority of the playoffs stunk it up to a 5 year for 56 million... really? Maybe if the Raptors needed a guy to put them over the top... maybe then I could understand, but this team was garbage before he came and guess what, they're still garbage.
notable criticism i'm glad that most raptors fan on this board were skeptic

[Magic Vinsanity]

Team will atleast be the 4th seed. They're better than Detroit, Chicago, Miami, and probably Washington.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

[Jasper]

I always look to the positive :

Hedo took Millions from the NBA , from a team that doesn't play in this country !!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep - that solidifies it : Toronto will never be a contender . :lol

[lpublic_enemyl]

I always look to the positive :

Hedo took Millions from the NBA , from a team that doesn't play in this country !!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep - that solidifies it : Toronto will never be a contender . :lol
wow ignorance is so prevalent on this board, stupidity of posters do not add anything useful into the conversation.... thanks for your retarded comment :cheers: TUrkuloglu has been atrocious this season but how much worst can he get? i think he'll smarten up and i hope that he is used a point forward next season...

[Jasper]

wow ignorance is so prevalent on this board, stupidity of posters do not add anything useful into the conversation.... thanks for your retarded comment :cheers: TUrkuloglu has been atrocious this season but how much worst can he get? i think he'll smarten up and i hope that he is used a point forward next season...
And if a dick head like you can't figure out that half my posts are jokes , your a dead beat poster on ISH.
Why don't you write an article about your wisdom of the NBA , we can see if that fits on my pinkie.
(I'll clue you in - before you were born , I watched about 20 years of the NBA if not more :D )
** Just checked your profile (age 20) - nailed it again !!

[Kiddlovesnets]

Way to go bumping an old thread...
:no:

[zizozain]

the guy behind this deal should be fired period
and pb .. lol im your fan sheeesh

[lpublic_enemyl]

And if a dick head like you can't figure out that half my posts are jokes , your a dead beat poster on ISH.
Why don't you write an article about your wisdom of the NBA , we can see if that fits on my pinkie.
(I'll clue you in - before you were born , I watched about 20 years of the NBA if not more :D )
** Just checked your profile (age 20) - nailed it again !!
so what i am twenty why does my age discredit what i have to say, think about what u just did, u just tried to cuss out someone half your age i'd say that's pretty ignorant...

[Zan Tabak]

Thanks for bringing this thread back.....:rolleyes:

[LA_Showtime]

It's amazing to think how quickly reputations can change in the NBA. Colangelo and Dumars were considered two of the top talent evaluators in the NBA. Ferry and Kupchak were busts. Look at them now. :oldlol: Proof that "What are you doing for me now?" plays a huge role in perception.

[bada bing]

props to Q and a few other raptor fans for seeing this trade the way it was long time ago. Q had it right on for a lot of things that were dysfunctional with this team and things worked out that way.

[beasted86]

:roll:

If Toronto gets the 4th seed, I will permaban myself. That's how sure I am they won't get the 4th seed. Im 100% guaranteeing it.
:oldlol:

[lpublic_enemyl]

:oldlol:
:cheers: congrats u made a lot of good predictions

[phoenix18]

I am definitely pissed off. Way to go ISH.

I am definitely going to bump some old Laker threads when they dont repeat.

[ZeN]

It's amazing to think how quickly reputations can change in the NBA. Colangelo and Dumars were considered two of the top talent evaluators in the NBA. Ferry and Kupchak were busts. Look at them now. :oldlol: Proof that "What are you doing for me now?" plays a huge role in perception.

Pre2008-09 I really had respect for Dumars. However after all the wtf moves hes made, all i can do is smh.

[HelterSkelter]

And he will have 5 rings on each finger, whats your point?

:hammertime:


hedo 5 rings?

:roll: