Lakers now vs. healthy Celtics + Sheed [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

PleezeBelieve

07-05-2009, 08:50 PM

Who's coming off their bench??? Gabe Pruitt and Scalibrine??? :oldlol:

Healthy KG is a thing of the past. KG and Gasol match up very well now.

Bynum's production trumps Sheeds. And if Sheed is going to be stretching the floor, we can put Odom on him ala Shard Lewis.

Artest usually defends Pierce well.

Bynum is younger and looks to be improving. While Sheed is most likely going down next year.
:oldlol: @ this homer post. Lakers have't proven anything as a champion. Boston has serious injuries while Orlando took out Cleveland for you.

No one is impressed by the '08-09 champions.

cavsfanatic

07-05-2009, 08:51 PM

LOL. Same Cavs that got pistol-whipped by Orlando (they of the one big + 2,300 shooting guards)? Oh, that's right, they added old, fat Shaq. Celts in 7 rather than 6.Celtics added old sheed who shot 40% from the field last year while old fat shaq shot 60%..... 40% is terrible for a center/pf

lakerfreak

07-05-2009, 08:53 PM

I have to go with the lakers still.

The lakers last year went 2-0 against boston when that team was healthy, then the lakers lost Bynum and still beat them on that road trip they went 6-0.

Not only do the lakers have Bynum back now but they added artest and will most likely keep Odom. Also they did not have shannon brown at the time and he's playing splendid basketball. Also if lakers add Nate Robinson (unlikely) the bench would be better than the celtics bench offense wise.

Lakers > Celtics

CantStop

07-05-2009, 08:53 PM

ROFL @ bench is the same. F*ck outta here.

Lakers > Celtics

Lakers have a player that can guard the bigger SFs like Pierce now while also adding great offense.

All Net

07-05-2009, 08:54 PM

It's going to be a great battle again but Boston needs to shore up that depth to sign a swingman who can defend on the wings and hit some threes. Adding Sheed helps their depth but the guy is 35 this year, he is past his best and shot 40% this year. Not very good at all.

jmill

07-05-2009, 08:54 PM

:oldlol: @ this homer post. Lakers have't proven anything as a champion. Boston has serious injuries while Orlando took out Cleveland for you.

No one is impressed by the '08-09 champions.

Likewise, we're not impressed by the 07-08 champions.

Grats to the C's for beating LA without Bynum/Ariza. Something they couldn't do this year.

Both the Cavs and the C's have yet to win a single game against LA with Pau/Bynum/Ariza in the lineup. And it's not LA's fault Cleveland couldnt get the job done.

Better luck next year though. If it's any consolation if there was an award for beating teams with less than 59 wins the Cavs would definitely win that last year. Moral victory ftw.

PleezeBelieve

07-05-2009, 08:55 PM

LOL. Same Cavs that got pistol-whipped by Orlando (they of the one big + 2,300 shooting guards)? Oh, that's right, they added old, fat Shaq. Celts in 7 rather than 6.
Wait, so I'm supposed to be impressed by a team that lost to Orlando despite Howard being ineffective on offense?

:oldlol:, no I'm not.

CantStop

07-05-2009, 08:56 PM

How can you not prove anything as champions? Does that make sense to you? Smash your head on your desk and re-think what you just said.

oh the horror

07-05-2009, 08:57 PM

Im sorry but at this point, i do not see Boston being DEEP enough.

They need to work on adding some key players if they even hope to get that far, because lets face it....they arent youngsters over there either.

They need fresh legs!

knickballer

07-05-2009, 08:57 PM

Dasher

07-05-2009, 08:57 PM

This year it will be interesting to see if the Celtics incorporate Bill Walker and JR Giddens into their rotation. An infusion of youth would be great for the Celts. Lester Hudson could also push Eddie House for minutes, if he is not sent down to the NBDL.

JohnnySic

07-05-2009, 08:57 PM

Lakers > Celtics
Keep in mind that the Lakers biggest strength is (no, not him) the size of their front line which just wears opponents down, especially in a series. This factor was very telling against Hosuton and Orlando, and Denver and Utah to a slightly lesser extent. The Celtics now are one of very few teams that can match the Lakers bigs (KG/Perk/Pierce, Sheed and Big Baby - no one is physically wearing this group down.)

Duncan21formvp

07-05-2009, 08:58 PM

Lakers won't get past the Spurs. Lakers haven't beaten a healthy team in the playoffs at all.

CantStop

07-05-2009, 08:58 PM

Rondo>Fish
Allen<Kobe
Pierce = Artest(Pierce by a small margin if anything)
KG > Pau
Perkins > Bynum

The Celtics are a overall bigger team and will cause the Lakers fits. Sheed, Big Bady, Powe is 2x better then any big LA has on the bench. You also seem to forget that a healthy KG wrecked Pau, Perkins right now is better then Bynum. Celtics is the better team.

Perkins > Bynum? ROFL.

What about the bench? You just happen to miss that right?

Eh, Lakers are the overall bigger team. Odom? Mbenga?

F*cking Knicks fan. Stay in your lane. Rasheed is washed up, flabby and sick.

oh the horror

07-05-2009, 08:59 PM

Keep in mind that the Lakers biggest strength is (no, not him) the size of their front line which just wears opponents down, especially in a series. This factor was very telling against Hosuton and Orlando, and Denver and Utah to a slightly lesser extent. The Celtics now are one of very few teams that can match the Lakers bigs (KG/Perk/Pierce, Sheed and Big Baby - no one is physically wearing this group down.)

Yeah, but are they even signing Big Baby ?? They need to make a massive push at keeping that kid for sure.

CantStop

07-05-2009, 08:59 PM

Keep in mind that the Lakers biggest strength is (no, not him) the size of their front line which just wears opponents down, especially in a series. This factor was very telling against Hosuton and Orlando, and Denver and Utah to a slightly lesser extent. The Celtics now are one of very few teams that can match the Lakers bigs (KG/Perk/Pierce, Sheed and Big Baby - no one is physically wearing this group down.)

You're right, nobody is gonna wear down the Celtics. Powe is gonna miss half the season, KG might not ever be the same player again and Perkins...is Perkins. Nobody needs to wear them down. They're wearing themselves down.

cavsfanatic

07-05-2009, 08:59 PM

Powe is a fa and likely not goin back to boston and big baby bout to get copped by the spurs/magic. u heard it hear first boi

All Net

07-05-2009, 09:00 PM

Rondo>Fish
Allen<Kobe
Pierce = Artest(Pierce by a small margin if anything)
KG > Pau
Perkins > Bynum

The Celtics are a overall bigger team and will cause the Lakers fits. Sheed, Big Bady, Powe is 2x better then any big LA has on the bench. You also seem to forget that a healthy KG wrecked Pau, Perkins right now is better then Bynum. Celtics is the better team.

Comparing two teams purely on that is so freaking overrated...you also don't know how KG will comeback from his injury. Will he be the same as he was before? Boston need quite a few things to fall into place to be better than L.A.

jmill

07-05-2009, 09:00 PM

Lakers won't get past the Spurs. Lakers haven't beaten a healthy team in the playoffs at all.

Yea, it's not like they bounced the Spurs from the playoffs in 08 in 5 games or anything.

Oh wait.

All Net

07-05-2009, 09:01 PM

Lakers won't get past the Spurs. Lakers haven't beaten a healthy team in the playoffs at all.

:roll:

JohnnySic

07-05-2009, 09:02 PM

Perkins > Bynum? ROFL.
Perkins defended Dwight Howard as well as anyone ever has without getting into foul trouble. Bynum..........did not accomplish that.

oh the horror

07-05-2009, 09:02 PM

You can say whatever you'd like, but hands down, if Boston doesnt make an effort to deepen that bench and get some key younger legs out there, then you can count them out.

Sheed isnt the sole key factor to that team.

SCY

07-05-2009, 09:03 PM

I have to go with the lakers still.

The lakers last year went 2-0 against boston when that team was healthy, then the lakers lost Bynum and still beat them on that road trip they went 6-0.

Stop with the 2-0 crap, you can't base crap on 2 games. The only reason Boston lost their home game was because of an outrageous 6th foul call on KG and they won by a whopping 1 point in OT. That should not even be a consideration.

knickballer

07-05-2009, 09:03 PM

Perkins > Bynum? ROFL.

What about the bench? You just happen to miss that right?

Eh, Lakers are the overall bigger team. Odom? Mbenga?

F*cking Knicks fan. Stay in your lane. Rasheed is washed up, flabby and sick.

Mbenga :oldlol: Really??

Perkins is better then Bynum.. If Bynum could stay healthy and produce the stats Perkins put up you f@gs will be hyping him up even more. Celtics are the bigger and stronger team. Lakers have no legit bigs coming off the bench, Lamar Odom is a 3/4 and if Bynum get's hurt forget about it.. KG, Perkins, Sheed, Big Baby, Powe* are all good players and they have size who does LA to counter that off the bench? Rasheed is still a good player who plays defense and he will be tamed a bit in Boston. You ****ing laker fans no jack **** about anything and will hype about any player on the lakers.

rfm767

07-05-2009, 09:03 PM

Lakers win, prolly 5 games. Any other opinions are biased.

CantStop

07-05-2009, 09:04 PM

Perkins defended Dwight Howard as well as anyone ever has without getting into foul trouble. Bynum..........did not accomplish that.

Bynum made Dwight work offensively even if his shots didn't fall. Perkins couldn't make open lay ups. :oldlol:

You're a homer. End of story.

There's a reason why Dwight wants help from Bynum this summer on post moves and not from f*cking Perkins.

jmill

07-05-2009, 09:05 PM

Stop with the 2-0 crap, you can't base crap on 2 games. The only reason Boston lost their home game was because of an outrageous 6th foul call on KG and they won by a whopping 1 point in OT. That should not even be a consideration.

Ahh I see, so you can't base anything on the two games that were actually played, but you CAN base stuff on the hypothetical imaginary games that take place in our heads.

That seems rational.

JohnnySic

07-05-2009, 09:05 PM

Sheed isnt the sole key factor to that team.
Of course not; they likely add Grant Hill, and Walker and Giddens may see some time on the wings. They need a backup pg too. They have expirerers to play with (Tony Allen, Scal). A lot can still happen.

Splitz77

07-05-2009, 09:07 PM

Celtics.

chitownsfinest

07-05-2009, 09:09 PM

Still LA. If Boston adds a back up pg plus G. Hill, that may change.

CantStop

07-05-2009, 09:09 PM

Mbenga :oldlol: Really??

Perkins is better then Bynum.. If Bynum could stay healthy and produce the stats Perkins put up you f@gs will be hyping him up even more. Celtics are the bigger and stronger team. Lakers have no legit bigs coming off the bench, Lamar Odom is a 3/4 and if Bynum get's hurt forget about it.. KG, Perkins, Sheed, Big Baby, Powe* are all good players and they have size who does LA to counter that off the bench? Rasheed is still a good player who plays defense and he will be tamed a bit in Boston. You ****ing laker fans no jack **** about anything and will hype about any player on the lakers.

Perkins' best season is 8/5. Bynum's last two seasons were 13 ppg and 14 ppg so what are you smoking? Odom is not a big? 6'10 is not big? You're a f*cking Knicks fan. Seriously, end your life and hope you're a Laker fan in your next one.

SCY

07-05-2009, 09:09 PM

Ahh I see, so you can't base anything on the two games that were actually played, but you CAN base stuff on the hypothetical imagnary games that take place in our heads.

That seems rational.

You think we should base our arguments on a 1 point OT victory where Boston's best player fouled out on a terrible foul call? :roll: Stop it.

knickballer

07-05-2009, 09:09 PM

jmill

07-05-2009, 09:10 PM

You think we should base our arguments on a 1 point OT victory where Boston's best player fouled out on a terrible foul call? :roll: Stop it.

Swing and a miss.

CantStop

07-05-2009, 09:11 PM

Celtics might have the most over the hill players on one squad now. Get Grant Hill and it's gonna be a washed up fest.

JohnnySic

07-05-2009, 09:13 PM

You're a homer. End of story.
Check out Perkins' playoff stats compared to Bynum's. No contest. Specifically defensive stats like blocks and defensive rebounds.

Perk 2.6 blp, Bymum 0.9

Perk 7.9 DEF, Bynum 2.3

Heck Bynum averaged 3.7 rebounds per game for the whole playoffs (even a *homer* like me was shocked at that low number). Plus Perk had to handle Howard alone, where as Bynum had help from Gasol, and still couldn't stay on the floor.

Doranku

07-05-2009, 09:13 PM

Lakers won't get past the Spurs. Lakers haven't beaten a healthy team in the playoffs at all.

The only Playoff series the Lakers lost in the past two years was when they weren't healthy (missing their starting Center and starting SF). Two can play this game. :rolleyes:

CantStop

07-05-2009, 09:16 PM

Check out Perkins' playoff stats compared to Bynum's. No contest. Specifically defensive stats like blocks and defensive rebounds.

Perk 2.6 blp, Bymum 0.9

Perk 7.9 DEF, Bynum 2.3

Heck Bynum averaged 3.7 rebounds per game for the whole playoffs (even a *homer* like me was shocked at that low number). Plus Perk had to handle Howard alone, where as Bynum had help from Gasol, and still couldn't stay on the floor.

Bynum wasn't even healthy. Anybody with 1/3 of a brain knows that. Only reason he came back is because he felt like he couldn't let his teammates down like last year. When Bynum was healthy, he was grabbing more boards than Perkins. Obviously Perkins got better stats, KG didn't even play. Like seriously...think. You're a homer. End of story. If LA offered Bynum for Perkins, Boston would eat it up. You know it's true unless your management is f*cking retarded.

SCY

07-05-2009, 09:16 PM

Swing and a miss.

Were you fed that insult by your f*cking 5 year old transgendered cousin you f*cking stupid c*nt? Ignore list.

SCY

07-05-2009, 09:20 PM

And we were yet again playing without our starting Center. Suck it up b!tch :oldlol:

Not to mention all the BULL$HIT CALLS BOSTON GOT IN THE FINALS!!! REMEMBER GAME 2? KOBE'S 2ND FOUL IN THE 1ST Q? HE CATCHES THE BALL ON THE PERIMETER AND THE DUMBASS REF THINKS HE ELBOWED RAY ALLEN? LMAO. GTFO.

What is LA's record with/without Bynum? Law of diminishing returns, people. When he doesn't play, Odom gets more minutes and he's a much better player. They don't lose that much. They just won the Finals without him basically, since he did jack all playoffs.

CantStop

07-05-2009, 09:22 PM

What is LA's record with/without Bynum? Law of diminishing returns, people. When he doesn't play, Odom gets more minutes and he's a much better player. They don't lose that much. They just won the Finals without him basically, since he did jack all playoffs.

Bynum gave us a big man that used strength and length to bother the opponents. Any coach would tell you how important he was. Rockettes fans..

SCY

07-05-2009, 09:23 PM

Maybe you should stick to watching CRUTCH CITY games.

I've got no problem with you, or anyone who makes arguments instead of parroting retarded Come on, "swing and a miss?"

jmill

07-05-2009, 09:26 PM

Were you fed that insult by your f*cking 5 year old transgendered cousin you f*cking stupid c*nt? Ignore list.

Swing and a miss.

Oh and btw, Paul Pierce got 4 FTs he shouldn't have late in that game, sorry to disappoint : )

knickballer

07-05-2009, 09:27 PM

HAHAH YOU FCKING *****!!!!

ODOM IS NOT A LEGIT BIG? ASK MTHFCKIN KENYON MARTIN!!! ASK CARLOS BOOZER!!!

ODOM>>>>SHEED

You act like Bynum WILL get hurt again. We do know that KG at his age is NOT guaranteed to be the same as himself with that injury.

YOU FKCING PIECE OF MORONIC ASS HAIR THAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND FREE AGENCY!!!!

POWE IS INJURED....NOT LIKELY TO COME BACK!!!!

BIG BABY HAS MANY OFFERS TO CONSIDER BEFORE COMING BACK!!!!

IDIOT KNICKS FAN WHO HASN'T WON JACK$HIT SINCE THE LAKERS COACH PLAYED FOR HIS TEAM.

:oldlol: You sound mad, yelling on the internet and typing in caps won't make you sound tough you ****ing bandwagon piece of ****. Odom also has offers to consider. Odom can't guard KG and doesn't have the size for perkins. Bynum has been getting hurt every year and he's not on the level of perkins, 6/3 in the playoffs:oldlol: :oldlol: I'm guessing you forgot what KG did to Pau last year, lakers don't have the size to match the Celtics but you totally ignore that and try to insult me with caps to try and prove a point. The Lakers are thin at bigs Pau and Bynum are the only legit bigs then have and Bynum is bound to miss atleast half of the year. Fisher is also getting up their in age and is getting exposed when he faces quicker PG's like Rondo. Come back with a decent argument instead of going into a flame war.

jmill

07-05-2009, 09:27 PM

I've got no problem with you, or anyone who makes arguments instead of parroting retarded Come on, "swing and a miss?"

Oh yes, because "f*cking 5 year old transgendered cousin you f*cking stupid c*nt" is such a sick burn.

SCY bustin the wit.

SCY

07-05-2009, 09:29 PM

Bynum gave us a big man that used strength and length to bother the opponents. Any coach would tell you how important he was. Rockettes fans..

You mean a big man that picked up 2 fouls in the first 4 minutes of every game? In the playoffs the Lakers were +3.0 with Bynum on the court, +9.5 without Bynum.

Obviously you don't understand the match-ups against the Celtics.

The Celtics are a big team and you have to have big bodies to combat them. Gasol at Center is too small. Bynum is perfect. Watch the Christmas day game, he had like 10 pts but his physical presence prevented so many easy layups and simple lane penetration.

If LA can keep him healthy and re-sign Odom and they still have the bench, they're the favs.

He's certainly capable of impacting a LAL-BOS series, no doubt, but he has yet to really make his presence felt on any series. By the way, I agree that LA is the favorites for no other reason than KG's injury concerns.

KenneBell

07-05-2009, 09:30 PM

It'll be very close.:cheers:

TruthKGRay3412

07-05-2009, 09:30 PM

People are forgetting we have one of the best PG's in the league Top 5-7..maybe higher after next year,he has improved leaps and bounds since his rookie year and his near triple double average in the play-offs last year proved this.Boston is the better team right now period..KG is still an all-star who could average 20 and 10 as a #1 option,arguably still the best defender in the league,Paul Pierce who is still the 2nd best SF in the league and Ray Allen the best shooter in the league and one of the best fit players at his position..we were toying with the Lakers in 2008 when we were healthy..now we add Rasheed Wallace off the bench,a big who spreads the floor(which will be HUGE) and plays exceptional defense..people dont realize how big of a signing this is for the Celtics.

BankShot

07-05-2009, 09:31 PM

Who's coming off their bench??? Gabe Pruitt and Scalibrine??? :oldlol:

Healthy KG is a thing of the past. KG and Gasol match up very well now.

Bynum's production trumps Sheeds. And if Sheed is going to be stretching the floor, we can put Odom on him ala Shard Lewis.

Artest usually defends Pierce well.

Bynum is younger and looks to be improving. While Sheed is most likely going down next year.

Healthy KG may be a thing of the past, but a healthy and consistently productive Bynum is but a myth

SCY

07-05-2009, 09:31 PM

Hit the complaint button on that post of his. Totally unnecessary

Oh yeah, and "swing and a miss" was really necessary now, wasn't it? I was just letting that douche know he should bring an argument or keep his fat fingers off his keyboard.

CantStop

07-05-2009, 09:32 PM

:oldlol: You sound mad, yelling on the internet and typing in caps won't make you sound tough you ****ing bandwagon piece of ****. Odom also has offers to consider. Odom can't guard KG and doesn't have the size for perkins. Bynum has been getting hurt every year and he's not on the level of perkins, 6/3 in the playoffs:oldlol: :oldlol: I'm guessing you forgot what KG did to Pau last year, lakers don't have the size to match the Celtics but you totally ignore that and try to insult me with caps to try and prove a point. The Lakers are thin at bigs Pau and Bynum are the only legit bigs then have and Bynum is bound to miss atleast half of the year. Fisher is also getting up their in age and is getting exposed when he faces quicker PG's like Rondo. Come back with a decent argument instead of going into a flame war.

LOL @ you saying he's mad but yet you're the one throwing names. It's so easy to pick on Knicks fans.

Duncan21formvp

07-05-2009, 09:33 PM

Hopefully Odom goes to the Cavs.

danumber88

07-05-2009, 09:33 PM

Rajon Rondo will surpirse plenty of people and will paly a big role in the playoffs. People will forget him, but wait and watch.

TruthKGRay3412

07-05-2009, 09:33 PM

I agree that LA is the favorites for no other reason than KG's injury concerns.

There is no injury concerns..it wasn't even close to a career altering injury..it was a strain for crying out loud which needed rest to heal,he would of played against the Cavs if we advanced people act like it was a tear.He didn't get surgery for the injury that kept him outta the playoffs,he got surgery to remove some bone spurs for precautionary reasons.

jmill

07-05-2009, 09:33 PM

Oh yeah, and "swing and a miss" was really necessary now, wasn't it? I was just letting that douche know he should bring an argument or keep his fat fingers off his keyboard.

Right, because "swing and a miss" is on the same level when it comes to personal insults as "f*cking 5 year old transgendered cousin you f*cking stupid c*nt".

At least you don't take this stuff too seriously or get too worked up or anything though.

Harison

07-05-2009, 09:35 PM

Healthy Celtics with Sheed will have an advantage, since team will be better than '08 which didnt had much problems with Lakers. Both teams got better, end result will probably be similar like before, Cs in 6.

oh the horror

07-05-2009, 09:38 PM

Some of you need to sign off, have a glass of water, relax, and rethink yourself a bit. There is no need to completely fly off the handle when discussing this.

Some of us believe LA is better.

Some believe Boston.

Theres no need to argue it out with personal insults like prissy little ladies. Get a grip on yourselves.

Spudjjay

07-05-2009, 09:57 PM

TruthKGRay3412

07-05-2009, 10:10 PM

The Lakers are easily better. Celtics are old and have no depth. IMO we have one of the worst backcourts in the league.

This is the first time in 2 seasons that I feel like the Celtics aren't the best team in the league.

Who's "we"? You have NEVER been a true Celtics fan..dont use the word "we" when every Celtic fan on this board despises you.

amfirst

07-05-2009, 10:10 PM

Bynum + Odom > Perkins + Rasheed
Gasol = KG
Artest + Kobe > Pierce + Ray
Fisher < Rondo

Lakers are better, their players are in their prime and getting better besides Fisher. Celtics are old and washed up. Next season, u will really see their age showing. Oh yea, Rondo is one of the most overated pg. Kobe is going to do what he normally does, leave Rondo wide open and he will continue to chuck up bricks.

catquickspider

07-05-2009, 10:12 PM

whoever gets home court

Bigsmoke

07-05-2009, 10:16 PM

Bynum > Perkins

remember Bynum stats before he went down?

getting Sheed is kinda pointless to me. the man is like 40 years old. The Celtics are a old team when i think about it.

Sheed = 35
Ray Allen = 34
KG = 33
Mikki Moore = 33
Paul Pierce = 32
Eddie House = 31

gxL

07-05-2009, 10:16 PM

lakers in 7. this is closer than anyone thinks. the celtics are now the 1st seed of the east.

Bond007

07-05-2009, 10:18 PM

the Lakers with a signed odom is a better team . I think their main Pieces are more at sync with each other after a season and a half playing together and winning a championship. I'm not sure how the celtics and go through the regular and post season with majority of their pieces at advanced ages. I personally think that Gasol also has vastly gotten stronger this season

cavsfanatic

07-05-2009, 10:19 PM

Yea i still wonder why ainge was tryin to trade rondo. Kg and his new teammate rasheed got one thing in common tho.............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcT4px7nLhk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htRzuvmasMc

witnesses:cheers:

Spudjjay

07-05-2009, 10:21 PM

Who's "we"? You have NEVER been a true Celtics fan..dont use the word "we" when every Celtic fan on this board despises you.

lol at the irony in your post. This from MR.Bandwagon himself? From one of the biggest idiots on this forum? I've been watching the the Celtics before you knew who Paul Pierce was.

Yes, who exactly is we? You? :oldlol:

You're an idiot homer who pretends to like the Celtics. "TruthKGRay"? Kill yourself.

TruthKGRay3412

07-05-2009, 10:25 PM

lol at the irony in your post. This from MR.Bandwagon himself? From one of the biggest idiots on this forum? I've been watching the the Celtics before you knew who Paul Pierce was.

:roll: :roll: Ok wanna hear irony?..Mr.I Live In New York,shouldnt you be following the Knicks? I bet you have never even stepped foot in New England,go follow your home town team you weirdo..you are put on ignore before I say stuff that will get me perma-banned.

BTW :oldlol: at you getting caught in a gay chat room on XAT.com

Splitz77

07-05-2009, 10:26 PM

Who's "we"? You have NEVER been a true Celtics fan..dont use the word "we" when every Celtic fan on this board despises you.

This.

Harison

07-05-2009, 10:31 PM

Sorry to anyone if offended in the talk before, Boston vs. LA gets my blood pressure up there :lol
If everyones healthy... rematch Lakers vs Celtics :cheers:

Spudjjay

07-05-2009, 10:38 PM

Kevin_Garnett_5

07-05-2009, 10:40 PM

I don't think Sheed will have too much of an impact, we're still not clearly better than Orlando or Cleveland.

Spudjjay

07-05-2009, 10:41 PM

YAO > DWIGHT > KG > Ray > Rondo > Pierce...

:pimp:

"Pierce > Pippen" - Phil Jackson's thoughts

:pimp:

Spudjjay

07-05-2009, 10:46 PM

I don't think Sheed will have too much of an impact, we're still not clearly better than Orlando or Cleveland.

+1

Anybody who thinks otherwise is a fool. At best, I think we're the 3rd or 4th best team in the league.

Lakers
Magic
Celtics/Cavs

niko

07-05-2009, 10:52 PM

So, I can't root for an outer town team? Do you know how many Yankee fans there is around this country?! Once again you're proving to be an idiot. How bout getting out of your moms basement sometimes?

I'm not even going to entertain the other part of your ignorant post.

Every single non NY yankee fan is a bandwagon jumper. ALL of them jumped on cause the yankees were good. note: i'm not even disagreeing with your right to like out of market teams, that's totally cool. the yankee example sucks though, its like all the old dudes in NY who are cowboy fans cause they jumped on during the aikman era. i dont know but something about finding a team that will win titles and deciding IM A FAN is pretty gay.

veilside23

07-05-2009, 10:55 PM

And we were yet again playing without our starting Center. Suck it up b!tch :oldlol:

Not to mention all the BULL$HIT CALLS BOSTON GOT IN THE FINALS!!! REMEMBER GAME 2? KOBE'S 2ND FOUL IN THE 1ST Q? HE CATCHES THE BALL ON THE PERIMETER AND THE DUMBASS REF THINKS HE ELBOWED RAY ALLEN? LMAO. GTFO.

never question officiating... did you see kobe elbowed jameer nelson thats why d fish hit the three points.. if you are going to complain about refs..

you gtfo ... homer

so sheed is old alright but he can still play he may shot 40% last year but its going to be the case this year because rondo can feed him the ball better... rasheed can defend well...

Bigsmoke

07-05-2009, 11:00 PM

"Pierce > Pippen" - Phil Jackson's thoughts

:pimp:

and I agree.

lakerfreak

07-05-2009, 11:36 PM

Stop with the 2-0 crap, you can't base crap on 2 games. The only reason Boston lost their home game was because of an outrageous 6th foul call on KG and they won by a whopping 1 point in OT. That should not even be a consideration.

lool excuses that bias fans keep making towards their team. Whatever calls the ref make is part of the game and needs to be gotten over. The fact is lakers outplayed the celtics in both of those games and on both ends of the floor.

The lakers had missed 12 of their 29 free throws that game and celtics only missed 3 of their 20 so one could make the argument that if lakers had made more, the game wouldn't have even been that close.

The lakers also had a better field goal percentage that game and turned the ball over 11 times compared to the celtics 16.

So with all that put together, this shouldn't even be a consideration that the celtics could have, should have...etc.

MMM

07-05-2009, 11:46 PM

People should really save their breath. The season is 4 months away, there are going to be 2 highly watched regular season games and a couple month after that we will still be in the same posistion as we are now. Ask your self now are you really ready to talk about the same topic with the same points being made for the next 10 months?

T-bomb 25

07-05-2009, 11:51 PM

T-bomb 25

07-05-2009, 11:59 PM

He did?

I'd put Shannon Brown on him and force him to shoot jumpers or pass it.Stop overrating Brown,he was barried on Clevelands bench for years just dunking in practice,now since he's a Laker he's some kind of defensive stopper yeah right,where was he when Brooks ripping them to shreads you Laker dudes crack me up.

All Net

07-06-2009, 12:05 AM

If Rondo was so good he wouldn't of been shopped around all summer long. Guy is very quick but still can't shoot to save his life.

T-bomb 25

07-06-2009, 12:10 AM

Are you seriously kidding me? I think you've never watched Shannon Brown play.

He never got the chance in Cleveland/Charlotte.

In LA, we had problem with Fisher on defense and Farmar was in his own lil world so we decided to try this dude out and he was decent.

Brooks in Game 3 was average because we had Farmar/Brown instead of Fisher/Brown.

And yes he's a pretty good defensive PG, he did well on Chauncey Billups.

He's good at denying penetration and that's Rondo's calling card.He's really a 2guard,and yes i watched him and Maurice Ager catch hoops all the time when they played for Michigan St,he's a pretty good defender,but Rondo will still blow by him most of the time.

T-bomb 25

07-06-2009, 12:12 AM

If Rondo was so good he wouldn't of been shopped around all summer long. Guy is very quick but still can't shoot to save his life.Dude cut it out,you know it had nothing to do with his play,Danny Ainge is just a dickhead like he was as a player.

T-bomb 25

07-06-2009, 12:22 AM

I'll take Brown over Fisher at least...

If he gets by into the paint, it will be harder to score, we have two 7 foot shot blockers in there.

You can immediately tell the difference Bynum's size makes. Look at the two regular season games.

Game 1: 3-11 6 pts 12 ast 3 ast

Game 2. 7-16 16 ps 12 st 8 rbd

Having Odom there and Bynum there isn't the same thing :confusedshrug:Yeah true,Fisher is a liability on defense its been showing the last 3 years,but he hits some of the biggest shots in the NBA,Brown is a good defender,but i would'nt call him a lockdown defender,i have to see more from Bynum this season to make a decision on him,this was a short season for him to really get back into a groove.

Rob123

07-06-2009, 12:23 AM

Who's coming off their bench??? Gabe Pruitt and Scalibrine??? :oldlol:

Healthy KG is a thing of the past. KG and Gasol match up very well now.

Bynum's production trumps Sheeds. And if Sheed is going to be stretching the floor, we can put Odom on him ala Shard Lewis.

Artest usually defends Pierce well.

Bynum is younger and looks to be improving. While Sheed is most likely going down next year.

Dude, where do you keep getting this inside information on players not recovering after injury.

You should get a gig on tv bro, you're clairvoyant

canza

07-06-2009, 12:28 AM

I'm a Laker fan and I have no idea who's better until they play. Yay, third post.

Disaprine

07-06-2009, 12:31 AM

if boston gets grant hill, then its actually pretty even. what a match up that will be for next season. the hell with cavs vs lakers bullsh*t.

Disaprine

07-06-2009, 12:34 AM

Tainted Sword

07-06-2009, 12:35 AM

ha this celtic team doesn't scare me one bit. :D

Sheed sucked donkey balls last year while yet another year is added to Grant Hill's surgically repaired ankles. The Big 3 are also getting up there in age. To be honest, i'd wouldn't be surprised if I saw half of this team in wheelchairs come spring. :p

That said, we'll see who's best when the season starts. The Lakers still have a score to settle. The two regular season wins last year weren't enough.

T-bomb 25

07-06-2009, 12:46 AM

PP34Deuce

07-06-2009, 01:01 AM

PG- Fisher is very smart, and great open shooter. However, I expect Rondo to be a better shooter, while still giving triple double possibilities. Shannon Brown is not a PG and Jordan Farmar may improve, but I still think the Celtics can win the PG matchup due to rondo's abilities to make something out of nothing.

SG- Kobe wins this alone. Ray Allen wears down faster. JR giddens is too talented to not be a contributor and at least match what Sasha does. Shannon Brown is a great athlete and good scorer. So LA wins

SF- Paul Pierce is still better than Ron Artest, but Artest is definitely the one who can contain him for quarters at a time. The matchup in my eyes favors pierce being able to come out on top but will have 2 bad games against artest. We are thin at this Position regarding height and versatility. THe lakers win this by having Odom,Walton coming off the bench.

PF- Gasol and Garnett is a closer matchup because I expect with Garnett coming back to be slightly less explosive which would make him athletically matched to Gasol. They even slightly with Garnett still being a better defender. Sheed Wallace dogged it in Detroit, and will be able to take Odom away from the basket while being an intelligent defender. I think we win PF slightly.

C-Bynum and Perkins.....I honestly think Perkins wins this match up for the fact that he is able to outmuscle most Big men in the NBA even Dwight Howard. Bynum has softer touch,but is not very tough and can be outmuscled. Benga provides LA great shot blocking but is such a dumb player he cant contribute more than 3-4 mins at a time. Josh Powell is an unkown with very good athletisicm. I will say for now its a push because Boston may be able to get another solid Big man whos consistent.

SCY

07-06-2009, 02:27 AM

lool excuses that bias fans keep making towards their team. Whatever calls the ref make is part of the game and needs to be gotten over. The fact is lakers outplayed the celtics in both of those games and on both ends of the floor.

The lakers had missed 12 of their 29 free throws that game and celtics only missed 3 of their 20 so one could make the argument that if lakers had made more, the game wouldn't have even been that close.

The lakers also had a better field goal percentage that game and turned the ball over 11 times compared to the celtics 16.

So with all that put together, this shouldn't even be a consideration that the celtics could have, should have...etc.

LA is not a good FT shooting team so that's kind of a lame excuse. The call on KG was probably the worst of the season and can't really be excused as part of the game...but the point is if Boston had hit either buzzer-beater at the end of regulation or OT you wouldn't be talking all this crap.

If you guys can't see how laughable it is that you're basing an argument on a SINGLE, REGULAR SEASON game that could have gone either way, I don't what to tell you.

Hiei

07-06-2009, 02:58 AM

Lakers easily. Celtics will have serious trouble even winning ECF.

gxL

07-06-2009, 03:10 AM

Lakers easily. Celtics will have serious trouble even winning ECF.
i only see magic as a threat.

crisoner

07-06-2009, 03:47 AM

i only see magic as a threat.

If the Cavs get the Matrix I think that will make them a pretty big threat as well.

kumquat

07-06-2009, 07:21 AM

I think it's pretty much a lock if KG is healthy, the Celts will make the finals. That means Bron will be at least 26 before he wins a title.

JohnnySic

07-06-2009, 07:26 AM

That said, we'll see who's best when the season starts. The Lakers still have a score to settle. The two regular season wins last year weren't enough.
And when the Celtics pound the Lakers in the regular season this coming year, the same Lakers fans who get so much mileage out of those 2 (close) Lakers wins last season will say the games dont mean anything because its just the regular season. The more things change........:sleeping

mamba24

07-06-2009, 07:29 AM

:oldlol: @ this homer post. Lakers have't proven anything as a champion. Boston has serious injuries while Orlando took out Cleveland for you.

No one is impressed by the '08-09 champions.

you mean how you took out the lakers in 6 without a Center and a SF?

wow you guys really whopped us missing 2 core players...we showed you in the regular season how good we are at full strenght in both competitions...and you can bet the next time we meet...how we school you guys in 5 or 6...

oh btw Orlando beat you guys and cleveland...with Davis scoring 18ppg...same score as KG but less defense...either way...lakers would win in 7 to make you feel better...

lol no one is impressed by the 08-09 champions...you guys were taken to 7 games by atlanta...and 7 games by cleveland...and then beat a team with 2 core players injured? wow impressive...

get this fact right...07-08 is the last time your leprachaun players win at the cost of another teams injury.

Also no team has come back to win a finals after loosing the year before...lakers make history...

dont get your hopes up on a finals rematch...i dont see the celts as good as the magic or cavs...try concentrating on the east before getting to the finals...

TruthKGRay3412

07-06-2009, 07:32 AM

i only see magic as a threat.

The same Magic who beat the Celtics in a Game 7 who were missing KG and there bench? Oh wait they added Vince Carter and lost Hedo,Gortat and Battie..now they are better mos definitely better than the Celtics..since this Celtic team never proved anything in the first place right?If the Magic didnt have Dwight Howard,we would of won that series he is the equivalent of the Celtics losing KG. Oh btw Laker fans should be worrying right now because if we meet in the Finals its going to be a repeat of 2008..we have an improved starting line-up due to Rondo emerging into a Top 5 PG and more improved bench.

JohnnySic

07-06-2009, 07:32 AM

lol no one is impressed by the 08-09 champions

:roll: :roll: You're right. The Lakers and their Asterisk Title.

PS - Sorry, too easy...

mamba24

07-06-2009, 07:34 AM

:roll: :roll: You're right. The Lakers and their Asterisk Title.

PS - Sorry, too easy...

Yea sure Asterisk title...i mean we only beat a team at full strenght...in 5 games...

where as the celtics took 6 games to take out a team missing a center in bynum and a defensive player in Ariza.

hmmm 07-08 looks even worse in comparison.

Also add to the fact that just like last year the competition this year took you guys to 7 games...with orlando coming out on top on your court...lol...talk about home court advantage...

Also Paul Pierce averaged around 19ppg and was the self proclaimed best player in the world...the same player who missed crucial FT's Agaist the bulls and Orlando...talk about clutch at the freebie line...

jmill

07-06-2009, 09:17 AM

And when the Celtics pound the Lakers in the regular season this coming year, the same Lakers fans who get so much mileage out of those 2 (close) Lakers wins last season will say the games dont mean anything because its just the regular season. The more things change........:sleeping

Actually I'll guarantee right now that I'll give the C's props if they beat the Lakers 2-0 in the regular season, I'll even bump this thread and do it.

Sorry to disappoint, some of us can actually be objective.

jmill

07-06-2009, 09:19 AM

:roll: :roll: You're right. The Lakers and their Asterisk Title.

PS - Sorry, too easy...

Kind of like the Celtics and their 07-08 asterisk title. Grats on beating the Lakers with Radmonivic (lolol) and no Bynum/Ariza.

Celtics still with 0 wins against LA since Bynum/Ariza came back.

jmill

07-06-2009, 09:23 AM

LA is not a good FT shooting team so that's kind of a lame excuse. The call on KG was probably the worst of the season and can't really be excused as part of the game...but the point is if Boston had hit either buzzer-beater at the end of regulation or OT you wouldn't be talking all this crap.

If you guys can't see how laughable it is that you're basing an argument on a SINGLE, REGULAR SEASON game that could have gone either way, I don't what to tell you.

But Boston didn't hit those shots. And you can whine about one call all you want, but in an NBA game it's just so easy to do both ways. Paul Pierce got 4 FTs in the 4th on two awful calls that he should have never gotten, announcers even called the refs out on one of them. Goes both ways, unless you have an agenda of course.

mamba24

07-06-2009, 09:34 AM

But Boston didn't hit those shots. And you can whine about one call all you want, but in an NBA game it's just so easy to do both ways. Paul Pierce got 4 FTs in the 4th on two awful calls that he should have never gotten, announcers even called the refs out on one of them. Goes both ways, unless you have an agenda of course.

Getting sheed 2 years ago would have been great...but i dont understand how a guy who matched up with Clevelands front court averaged 6.6ppg in the playoffs against varejao and big Z..

now with him coming off the bench in a limited role of say 20-25 mins a game...i expect him to do just that...average around 6-8ppg...and loosing davis and powe is not going to help...

sure the celtics are adding Grant hill apparently....and i can see how he can help...

but imagine a matchup with the lakers...Ray Allen will need to light kobe for 30ppg to win...coz no way slow pierce is going to get to the rim with Artest on him...he will get his jumpshots but not many...where as Artest can bully his way....

to me its an even impasse...its only WILL that will be the difference...and as a laker fan i cannot be bothered about the celts...since we are in the western conference and we need to beat the best of the west to think about the east...

where as the celts have counted out cavs and magic and made it a cake walk to the finals...even demolishing the lakers without playing a game yet...

yet they seem to forget...in the past two years they have taken 7 games to win a series...with orlando winning the last of the 7 game series...and apparently with KG they would win...where as they seem to forget with KG they still took 7 games to beat Lebron without Mo williams...but lebron, mo and shaq is easier...

not as easy as the names look on paper...

Spudjjay

07-06-2009, 10:15 AM

The same Magic who beat the Celtics in a Game 7 who were missing KG and there bench? Oh wait they added Vince Carter and lost Hedo,Gortat and Battie..now they are better mos definitely better than the Celtics..since this Celtic team never proved anything in the first place right?If the Magic didnt have Dwight Howard,we would of won that series he is the equivalent of the Celtics losing KG. Oh btw Laker fans should be worrying right now because if we meet in the Finals its going to be a repeat of 2008..we have an improved starting line-up due to Rondo emerging into a Top 5 PG and more improved bench.

LMAO.. this guy is such an idiot.

MMM

07-06-2009, 10:31 AM

LMAO.. this guy is such an idiot.

After CP3, D-Will, Billups and Perker I would put Rondo in the convo with players like Nash, Devin, Jameer, etc.

Spudjjay

07-06-2009, 10:41 AM

After CP3, D-Will, Billups and Perker I would put Rondo in the convo with players like Nash, Devin, Jameer, etc.

I'd rank him behind every one of the PG you have listed.

NBASTATMAN

07-06-2009, 11:02 AM

Likewise, we're not impressed by the 07-08 champions.

Grats to the C's for beating LA without Bynum/Ariza. Something they couldn't do this year.

Both the Cavs and the C's have yet to win a single game against LA with Pau/Bynum/Ariza in the lineup. And it's not LA's fault Cleveland couldnt get the job done.

Better luck next year though. If it's any consolation if there was an award for beating teams with less than 59 wins the Cavs would definitely win that last year. Moral victory ftw.

You can't add Bynum for 2008 , the reason they got Gasol was because Bynum was injured.. If he wasn't injured then the Lakers never get Bynum... Though he didn't play great bynum helped the lakers vs Orlando.. His size is something to deal with no matter what.. Whether he is still injured or not..

magnax1

07-06-2009, 11:06 AM

Well, I think the celts would probably win, but i've been going back and forth on whos better for a while, I guess I'll just have to watch them.

jmill

07-06-2009, 11:15 AM

You can't add Bynum for 2008 , the reason they got Gasol was because Bynum was injured.. If he wasn't injured then the Lakers never get Bynum... Though he didn't play great bynum helped the lakers vs Orlando.. His size is something to deal with no matter what.. Whether he is still injured or not..

Yes, I can add Bynum, seeing as he was supposed to return by the playoffs in 2008 and he was a part of the Lakers roster. It doesn't matter that we got Gasol because Bynum got hurt, Bynum was supposed to be back by the finals and he wasn't. The C's benefited as a result.

Pain of Thought

07-06-2009, 11:20 AM

All Net

07-06-2009, 11:23 AM

Getting sheed 2 years ago would have been great...but i dont understand how a guy who matched up with Clevelands front court averaged 6.6ppg in the playoffs against varejao and big Z..

That really does say it all in terms of how much Sheed has fallen. Guy will be good for Boston but he's not going to be a huge difference maker. Just gives them more depth behind KG when/If he gets hurt again.

jmill

07-06-2009, 11:24 AM

There's too many players in Boston now. Starbury + Sheed = egos clash. It's already egocentric enough with KG in the line-up, much less those two knuckleheads. This move could potentially distract their success in the up-and-coming season.

Marbury isn't on the Celtics.

And Sheed will be fine, he's always gotten along well with teammates as far as I know, and he's going to one of the best teams in the league.

mamba24

07-06-2009, 11:29 AM

Marbury isn't on the Celtics.

And Sheed will be fine, he's always gotten along well with teammates as far as I know, and he's going to one of the best teams in the league.

Im not gonna question his professionalism...just gonna question his ability to play big...which i dont think he can do...

6-8ppg does not mean a huge scare to other teams...now if he comes out scoring 15ppg that could be scary...but i doubt that...

jmill

07-06-2009, 11:31 AM

Im not gonna question his professionalism...just gonna question his ability to play big...which i dont think he can do...

6-8ppg does not mean a huge scare to other teams...now if he comes out scoring 15ppg that could be scary...but i doubt that...

I don't think Sheed is going to be a big pick up for them or anything, he's been declining the past few years and he'll be 35 at the start of the new season, I just don't think he's going to give them any trouble wrt team chemistry.

GOON MUSIC

07-06-2009, 11:39 AM

Ahh I see, so you can't base anything on the two games that were actually played, but you CAN base stuff on the hypothetical imaginary games that take place in our heads.

That seems rational.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

i hate when ppl do that

kumquat

07-06-2009, 11:58 AM

I don't think Sheed is going to be a big pick up for them or anything, he's been declining the past few years and he'll be 35 at the start of the new season, I just don't think he's going to give them any trouble wrt team chemistry.

keep up the delusions :oldlol:

Killer_Instinct

07-06-2009, 11:58 AM

Perkins' best season is 8/5. Bynum's last two seasons were 13 ppg and 14 ppg so what are you smoking? Odom is not a big? 6'10 is not big? You're a f*cking Knicks fan. Seriously, end your life and hope you're a Laker fan in your next one.

:roll: :roll:

U got Served

07-06-2009, 12:13 PM

Healthy LA beats a healthy Boston team.
LA is too deep and too talented. Boston too told and not deep enough.

glidedrxlr22

07-06-2009, 12:24 PM

Celtics take it in 6 if in Boston or 7 if LA has homecourt. The Celtics role players aren

MaxFly

07-06-2009, 12:46 PM

Rondo>Fish
Allen<Kobe
Pierce = Artest(Pierce by a small margin if anything)
KG > Pau
Perkins > Bynum

The Celtics are a overall bigger team and will cause the Lakers fits. Sheed, Big Bady, Powe is 2x better then any big LA has on the bench. You also seem to forget that a healthy KG wrecked Pau, Perkins right now is better then Bynum. Celtics is the better team.

Hmmm.... I don't think Artest and Piece are equal... I'd take Pierce over Artest. I also don't know about Perkings being better than Bynum... As great as Perk has been, I'd take Bynum's 14/8/2 blks. And we may have lost big baby to San Antonio...

Mor'Fiyah

07-06-2009, 12:47 PM

Trying to be as objective as I can here:

Its hard to say as both teams have some major new pieces and no one knows how those pieces are going to fit and mold the identity of both teams. Boston's advantage in this is that they didn't necessarily lose a big piece to sign Sheed (maybe they lose Big Baby ... we will see). The Lakers lost Ariza who was a huge part of their championship run and was blossoming into a very useful player. Worst case scenario, Boston can just bench him. Worst case scenario for the Lakers isn't pretty.

The Lakers advantage is signing a new piece to the puzzle is that their piece is nearer his prime then Boston's piece. I have more faith in Artest (29) being effective at this point in his career than Sheed (35).

Both Sheed and Artest are wily veterans whose passion can energize their team or implode it.

If both fit in nicely and play to their potential LA has the advantage in my opinion. The Lakers (when healthy) have enough size to hang with Boston in the paint and can handle perimeter big men who like to go out on the perimeter. And they have the perimeter defense to match up with Boston now that they have Artest. Boston has a good advantage in point guard penetration play from Rondo, but LA can wear him down and force him to take jumpers. The big difference to me will be that the Lakers are capable of playing defense close to as well as Boston can and may have just gotten better with the Artest addition. Boston cannot hang with LA on offense.

mbell75

07-06-2009, 12:48 PM

Rasheed Wallace is 35 entering his 15th season and is looking old and washed up. Combine that with other old guys past their prime and it could be a disaster. KG, PP, Allen, Rasheed....would be a stellar team if this was 2004 :lol Lakers owned them twice last year with Ariza playing PP and then Kobe having to take over late. You honestly think the celtics would win with ARTEST on PP now? :roll: Not only is Artest a much better defender, hes a better shooter which means more open looks for Kobe and Gasol.

Lakers would win in 5

Allstar24

07-06-2009, 12:50 PM

TruthKGRay3412

07-06-2009, 12:57 PM

You honestly think the celtics would win with ARTEST on PP now? :roll: Not only is Artest a much better defender, hes a better shooter which means more open looks for Kobe and Gasol.

Did you honestly say Artest is a better shooter than Paul Pierce you delusional Laker fans never cease to amaze me..Artest is a chucker who shoots 40% from the field.:oldlol:

TruthKGRay3412

07-06-2009, 01:02 PM

The Celtics are old. Their "Big 3" are ancient, except Pierce. Allen and KG are like 34 or 35 years old. The chances that KG won't be banged up all year are very slim. They had their best shot at winning another title last year, they blew it with KG's injury. Now they're no longer a threat.

I love "the Celtics are old" excuse..Pierce is going into the season at 32 and still very effective,if 32 is old to you then you have problems..Pierce's game never revolved around athleticism in the first place.KG is going to be 33 and still a lock down defender and dominant big man..I cant stress enough when I say KG could still put up 20 and 10+ as a #1 option..Ray Allen is our oldest starter at 34 years old and he is our SG..he had a great season last year and I expect the same this year...he is the best shooter in the NBA and I dont think age will effect his shot..especially when your body is in this shape http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/09wy9tt1m206W/340x.jpg

BTW People are forgetting Rajon Rondo..one of the best PG's in the league who is still very young.

JohnnySic

07-06-2009, 01:21 PM

The Celtics are old.....but Derek Fisher is not, he's a grizzled veteran. So were Malone and Payton in '04, and Horry, and Fox.........why dont cement-head Celtics fans get it? :D

jmill

07-06-2009, 01:26 PM

keep up the delusions :oldlol:

Right

-I've acknowledged he'll help a team that's already one of the best in the NBA
- I've acknowledged he wont hurt team chemistry at all and generally gets along well with teammates
- I say that he's been declining the past few years (probably because he has, just like every player in the NBA does when they're in their mid 30s)

But I'm delusional. Sure thing.

Rasheed1

07-06-2009, 01:26 PM

celtics...

jmill

07-06-2009, 01:29 PM

The Celtics are old.....but Derek Fisher is not, he's a grizzled veteran. So were Malone and Payton in '04, and Horry, and Fox.........why dont cement-head Celtics fans get it? :D

Derek Fisher is old, and really shouldn't be starting for LA at this point.

Malone/Payton were also both obviously old and well past their prime when they came to LA. LA was outclassed in the finals.

Not all of us have to troll and be irrational.

jmill

07-06-2009, 01:34 PM

I love "the Celtics are old" excuse..Pierce is going into the season at 32 and still very effective,if 32 is old to you then you have problems..Pierce's game never revolved around athleticism in the first place.KG is going to be 33 and still a lock down defender and dominant big man..I cant stress enough when I say KG could still put up 20 and 10+ as a #1 option..Ray Allen is our oldest starter at 34 years old and he is our SG..he had a great season last year and I expect the same this year...he is the best shooter in the NBA and I dont think age will effect his shot..especially when your body is in this shape http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/09wy9tt1m206W/340x.jpg

BTW People are forgetting Rajon Rondo..one of the best PG's in the league who is still very young.

Why are you talking about Paul Pierce in your post? He specifically stated that he wasn't talking about Pierce, and yet you make the comment "Pierce is going ot be 32, if 32 is old then you have problems" after he JUST pointed out he wasn't talking about Pierce. wtf

Rashard

07-06-2009, 01:40 PM

Adding Rasheed is a nice move for the Celtics, but I still think the Lakers would take the series. Last season the Lakers learned how to become champions.

Now they know how to win and I think that's a huge factor for them. When they lost to the Celtics a couple of seasons ago, they had no idea what it took to win it all.

Not only that, they weren't healthy. Now with the experience of winning it all and persumed health, the Lakers are the better team, IMO. Especially with the addition of Ron Artest.

The Lakers now have that physical defender to put on Pierce while Kobe can guard Allen. Bynum's presence allows Gasol to play the 4 where he matches up much better physically against KG instead of Perkins. Bynum has the ability to either outplay Perkins or play just as well as Perkins so they cancel one another out.

In the Rondo vs. Fisher matchup the Celtics clearly have the advantage. That being said, I would never count out "Old Reliable". D-fish has a knack for coming up big in the biggest of moments. You also have to take into account the Lakers have Farmar and possibly a resigned Shannon Brown to throw at Rondo.

Assuming the Lakers resign Odom, you have a 6th man battle between he and Rasheed. I think Odom comes out on top in that matchup. Odom more than any other Laker I feel will benefit the most by winning it all last year.

I think we will see a much more confident Odom on the court. I think finally getting that ring will only enhance Odom's belief in himself. He will shoot with courage and confidence and he'll know what he needs to do to get it done.

Lastly you have the Lakers bench vs. Celtics bench. There are still many more signings to come before anyone can make a call on who would have the advantage there.

Joey3000

07-06-2009, 01:51 PM

jmill

07-06-2009, 01:52 PM

Celtics will handle the Lakers soft front line with ease. Both Bynum and Gasol are soft mentally. Now you put KG and Rasheed on the same team. Two of the biggest mouths in the league just going at you verbally and physically. To add to that, Artest is now here taking away touches from your Big Guys so they will not be as productive.

lol

Celtics in 3!

East River Livn'

07-06-2009, 01:56 PM

crisoner

07-06-2009, 02:13 PM

The Celtics getting old is not an excuse it's a fact.
Look at the injuries and the decline in performance with KG, Allen, and Sheed.

This is going to be another whole year and millage for them. Then they are talking about bringing in Grant Hill? It's good to have vets but you need young talent around them and on the bench backing them up. Why do you think the Celts are trying to get rid of Ray Ray?

If the Celtics can remain healthy of course they will be a force to reckon with but my money is on the younger generation taken over.

KoolKat

07-06-2009, 02:22 PM

Lakers won't get past the Spurs. Lakers haven't beaten a healthy team in the playoffs at all.

Lulz.

How about Utah, Denver & Orlando ?

And healthy Rockets would had probably lost to LA.

And injuries are part of the game.

mbell75

07-06-2009, 02:24 PM

Did you honestly say Artest is a better shooter than Paul Pierce you delusional Laker fans never cease to amaze me..Artest is a chucker who shoots 40% from the field.:oldlol:

No, I said Artest is a better shooter than Ariza. Pierce had a major advantage against Radmanovic as he could beat him off the dribble. he also had a nice size advantage against Ariza. Both of those advantages go out the window playing against Artest :D

lakerfreak

07-06-2009, 02:26 PM

LA is not a good FT shooting team so that's kind of a lame excuse. The call on KG was probably the worst of the season and can't really be excused as part of the game...but the point is if Boston had hit either buzzer-beater at the end of regulation or OT you wouldn't be talking all this crap.

If you guys can't see how laughable it is that you're basing an argument on a SINGLE, REGULAR SEASON game that could have gone either way, I don't what to tell you.

Lol me talking crap??

It is what it is man, 2-0 is 2-0. Lakers beat them twice whether there was 1 bad call or not.

You're accusing me of basing my argument on one single game, which isn't even accurate, but its even more laughable that you're basing your argument on one fukcing call. One bad call and you're thinking the lakers aren't the better team because they only won by 1.

You know who shot those ft's at the end of the game? Odom. Odom is not a good free throw shooter and he hit both. The lakers took care of business, thats the point, the celtics didn't.

Joey3000

07-06-2009, 02:35 PM

So Rasheed and KG are verbal and physical advantages but Artest is a softy? :oldlol:

No artest is no softy, but neither are pierce and Allen. Kobe and artest vs Pierce and Allen will be something to watch. By the way, out of the 4, Artest is the least inteligent player.

This isn't 08 Finals kid, Gasol has PROVEN he has the ability to match up with KG.

And when did he prove this exactly?

Also, Bynum has only played one game with the current LA team against Boston, which we won btw.

Bynum sucks ball. I thought this was common knowledge already?

Like I said before, L.A will get pushed around.

Joey3000

07-06-2009, 02:40 PM

But KG and Sheed are both stupid. Bynum and Gasol are smart(although Bynum has no heart). Soft mentally versus dumb mentally, it's a wash no? :confusedshrug:

You hnestly think Gasol and Bynum are smarter players then KG? Dont let antics fool you, KG's Bball IQ is very high. Infact the only player on L.A who can match KG's IQ are Kobe and Fisher.

crisoner

07-06-2009, 02:57 PM

No artest is no softy, but neither are pierce and Allen. Kobe and artest vs Pierce and Allen will be something to watch. By the way, out of the 4, Artest is the least inteligent player.

LOL Are you by any way saying Ol Ray Ray and Peirce are all of a sudden tough defenders? WTF? Are you saying they are as intimidating then Artest?
Ron and Kobe will bully both of those cats.

Bynum sucks ball. I thought this was common knowledge already?

Bynum has been injured and we won with an injured Bynum this year.
He did have a knee injury but unlike KG he is young and doesn't have as much millage. This kid still can only get better.

Like I said before, L.A will get pushed around.

Did you not see LA vs. the Nuggets and the Magic? I don't think we will get push around by a retirement team at all. LOL
And we have Ron Artest need I say more?

crisoner

07-06-2009, 02:59 PM

You hnestly think Gasol and Bynum are smarter players then KG? Dont let antics fool you, KG's Bball IQ is very high. Infact the only player on L.A who can match KG's IQ are Kobe and Fisher.

Oh get the f*ck out of here. KG high b-ball IQ?

Yeah he has an high IQ picking on other teams scrub players right.

:rolleyes:

I like KG cause the dude plays with a whole lot of passion etc. But high IQ never crossed my mind when it comes to KG. F*ck that.

Kevin_Garnett_5

07-06-2009, 03:00 PM

Oh get the f*ck out of here. KG high b-ball IQ?

Yeah he has an high IQ picking on other teams scrub players right.

:rolleyes::roll:

PP34Deuce

07-06-2009, 03:19 PM

No, I said Artest is a better shooter than Ariza. Pierce had a major advantage against Radmanovic as he could beat him off the dribble. he also had a nice size advantage against Ariza. Both of those advantages go out the window playing against Artest :D

Radmonovic had a bad defensive IQ ad not fast. Ariza had the tools and Pierce gets him in foul trouble so easily due to his tricks.

Artest will make it tougher however Pierce is still able to get past Artest. Hes also going to make that step back jumper when it falls. What artest does is take away Pierces Post Iso since he cant post up Artest as easily as others.

mbell75

07-06-2009, 03:25 PM

Radmonovic had a bad defensive IQ ad not fast. Ariza had the tools and Pierce gets him in foul trouble so easily due to his tricks.

Artest will make it tougher however Pierce is still able to get past Artest. Hes also going to make that step back jumper when it falls. What artest does is take away Pierces Post Iso since he cant post up Artest as easily as others.

Right, and if Pierce does get by Artest, he will have two 7 footers around the rim waiting for him :D Quite comical to think Pierce is going to blow by anyone at his age anyways :lol

Killer_Instinct

07-06-2009, 03:50 PM

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/09wy9tt1m206W/340x.jpg
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Ray has the body of a greek God. Wife is a lucky lady.

Is it possible to no homo this?

The crying in this thread is childish.

fadeaway3

07-06-2009, 03:52 PM

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WE DON'T EVEN NEED TO RELY ON BYNUM FOR OFFENSE, WE HAVE ARTEST NOW!!! THAT MATCHUP IS USELESS.

Thin at bigs? Thin? Our bench is WAY deeper than Boston's. After Odom and Sheed we have Powell and they have................who????????

I really hope the Lakers coaching staff feels that way cause having Artest chuck up 20 footers while being contested over Andrew Bynum in the post bodes well for the rest of the league.

Seriously, who??? Josh Powell?? Again, who??? Mikki Moore = Josh Powell

crisoner

07-06-2009, 03:53 PM

[QUOTE=Killer_Instinct]Ray has the body of a greek God. Wife is a lucky lady.

Is it possible to no homo this?

LOL

Nope you have officially came out of the closet.

Phong

07-06-2009, 03:55 PM

Right, and if Pierce does get by Artest, he will have two 7 footers around the rim waiting for him :D Quite comical to think Pierce is going to blow by anyone at his age anyways :lol
You probably don't watch many Celtics' games.

Paul Pierce has amazing quick feet and can blow by any defenders in the league.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2455/animation1ylq.gif

KoolKat

07-06-2009, 03:59 PM

Is it possible to no homo this?

No, Ray is gorgeousness trapped in a man's body. F*ck this, I'm turning gay :bowdown:

gxL

07-06-2009, 04:04 PM

No artest is no softy, but neither are pierce and Allen. Kobe and artest vs Pierce and Allen will be something to watch. By the way, out of the 4, Artest is the least inteligent player.

And when did he prove this exactly?

Bynum sucks ball. I thought this was common knowledge already?

Like I said before, L.A will get pushed around.
artest is gonna bust a can of whoop ass upon kg

Killer_Instinct

07-06-2009, 04:05 PM

No, Ray is gorgeousness trapped in a man's body. F*ck this, I'm turning gay :bowdown:

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Now, honestly if I was a woman, Ray would be at the top of my lists of guys to sleep with. Maybe next to LL Cool J, but I'm still a straight male now, so given that I can't co-sign your post. However, I can't say I blame you. Stick to your guns, brah.

fadeaway3

07-06-2009, 04:06 PM

The Celtics are old.....but Derek Fisher is not, he's a grizzled veteran. So were Malone and Payton in '04, and Horry, and Fox.........why dont cement-head Celtics fans get it? :D

That's correct :D Seriously, they're just talking out of their @$$ as usual with Lakers fans. They really have no mental capacity to truly understand the game of basketball outside of their purple and gold world. Most have never watched another team play in their entire lives(except when they're playing the Lakers).

fadeaway3

07-06-2009, 04:08 PM

Doesn't take a genius to figure out that being out for a long time with an injury and being 32+ is not a good combo.

Doesn't take a genius to figure out that Bynum dealing with so many serious injuries at such a young age is not a good combo.

Lakers fans and their double standards, never ceases to amaze me.

KoolKat

07-06-2009, 04:09 PM

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Now, honestly if I was a woman, Ray would be at the top of my lists of guys to sleep with. Maybe next to LL Cool J, but I'm still a straight male now, so given that I can't co-sign your post. However, I can't say I blame you. Stick to your guns, brah.

How can I be interested in women after seeing this god-man ?

I'm dead serious.

All Net

07-06-2009, 04:12 PM

You probably don't watch many Celtics' games.

Paul Pierce has amazing quick feet and can blow by any defenders in the league.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2455/animation1ylq.gif

Not a good example when the clip is him not catching Noah and getting dunked on at the same time.

All Net

07-06-2009, 04:14 PM

That's correct :D Seriously, they're just talking out of their @$$ as usual with Lakers fans. They really have no mental capacity to truly understand the game of basketball outside of their purple and gold world. Most have never watched another team play in their entire lives(except when they're playing the Lakers).

You can say the same for people that hate on the Lakers due to not liking them rather than talking basketball and debating how strong they are. Works both ways.