View Full Version : OT: The Wire Season 4
the even bigger black guy
10-14-2006, 09:44 PM
If there's ever been a better show on television, I haven't seen it.
Anyone else agree this is the best written, best produced, best acted show in TV history?
Anyone got a challenger?
funkylikemonkey
10-15-2006, 11:44 AM
I don't watch the Wire, so I can't compare, but I'm sure some of these could
Entourage
Sopranos
Deadwood
Now that I think about it, HBO hasn't really made a bad TV show ever.
Sopranos? Get real. Entourage rivals TheWire. DeadWood Saw like 2 episodes, couldnt get into it...was lost.
HBO makes the best TV shows.
SCdac
10-15-2006, 03:53 PM
The Wire is absolutely one of the most underrated shows on television. But having said that, I wouldn't say it's one the "best" out there, at least not compared with the greats (won't bother naming 'em).
The show is much deeper than it appears. Many little things going on, many little subplots. All, in some way, connected... Not to mention, viewing the perspective of both the streets and the police/narco's is very cool. Can't forget all the politics as well, with Carcetti (sp?) trying to make mayor, etc.
Sweet show. HBO is one the most innovative channels when is comes to original programming. Can even go back to some of their first shows, like Dream On or The Larry Sanders Show (maybe some of y'all were a little too young, I was pretty young at the time too).
http://www.dvdrama.com/imagescrit/dream_on_s1s2_z1hd.jpg
http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Larry-Sanders-Show-tv-01.jpg
SCdac
10-15-2006, 03:59 PM
Now that I think about it, HBO hasn't really made a bad TV show ever.
Actually, as much as I hate to diss HBO, they did have one show about 2 years ago that was a huge flop. It was about a bounty hunter, and his (dumbass) family. Man, that show was bad... Couldn't even touch Dog the Bounty Hunter in the slightest... eh, that's probably why it wasn't picked up for another season.
But other than that, HBO is almost flawless when it comes to their shows (even the shows like Deadwood or Rome, that I don't really "like", I can respect).
Laker4Lyfe
10-15-2006, 07:23 PM
If there's ever been a better show on television, I haven't seen it.
Anyone else agree this is the best written, best produced, best acted show in TV history?
Anyone got a challenger?
Yeah The Wire is a EXCELLENT show. And the fact that some of the characters are actual ex-criminals (like Snoop, the Deacon and others) that the creator who happens to be an ex-detective from B-More has arrested in the past makes it even better IMO. Black guy if you have cable, the new episodes come out "on demand" before Sunday.
HALLandOATES
10-15-2006, 11:31 PM
Entourage is good. I have to admit I watched Sex and the City for a bit to when it was on there. I wish they'd make more episodes of the Cathouse, not for cranking one but because i can do that with my women or on the net ,but because its an interesting show.
the even bigger black guy
10-16-2006, 12:08 AM
The Shield is entertaining, but to put it in the top 20 of all time is laughable.
Entourage too. Entourage has zero substance. It's entertaining and fun to watch, but it is basically watching a few guys goof around Hollywood with hot girls.
Sopranos is overrated. It's a great show, but not anywhere near legendary.
Deadwood and Rome are probably the best HBO shows outside the Wire. I don't think you could find a single complaint about any aspect of The Wire. I just don't think GOBB has the intellectual capacity to follow a heady show like Deadwood, Rome, etc.
HALLandOATES
10-16-2006, 12:21 AM
The Shield is entertaining, but to put it in the top 20 of all time is laughable.
Entourage too. Entourage has zero substance. It's entertaining and fun to watch, but it is basically watching a few guys goof around Hollywood with hot girls.
Sopranos is overrated. It's a great show, but not anywhere near legendary.
Deadwood and Rome are probably the best HBO shows outside the Wire. I don't think you could find a single complaint about any aspect of The Wire. I just don't think GOBB has the intellectual capacity to follow a heady show like Deadwood, Rome, etc.
Deadwood is dumb. Every other word they use is swearing and it gets repitive after awhile. annoys me atleast from the episodes i've seen.
The Shield is entertaining, but to put it in the top 20 of all time is laughable.
Entourage too. Entourage has zero substance. It's entertaining and fun to watch, but it is basically watching a few guys goof around Hollywood with hot girls.
Sopranos is overrated. It's a great show, but not anywhere near legendary.
Deadwood and Rome are probably the best HBO shows outside the Wire. I don't think you could find a single complaint about any aspect of The Wire. I just don't think GOBB has the intellectual capacity to follow a heady show like Deadwood, Rome, etc.
And you're a white boy amazed with urban life of violence, poverty and drugs.
And its your opinion no other show is better than TheWire, sucks doesnt it that it cant be a FACT? Something you gotta deal with. No one said ANYTHING about the shielf being a top 20 of all time tv show. Who in here said that moron?
Also other posters have spoken on DeadWood and didnt enjoy it either. I never said a thing about Rome, another poster did and it wasnt to praise but just say they can respect it. But hey you instantly pulled down my pants and blew me. Emotionally scarred slut you are.
Rasheed1
10-16-2006, 01:23 PM
dream on was hilarious
I never watched the wire, but it must be a pretty good show though....I was over a friend's house and he has these go-go nights at his house where the chicks come over and put on a freak show for us....these dudes promptly ended the freak show so they could watch the wire :hammerhead:
every body got dressed and they turned on the TV, Im like what the f*ck on TV could be better than what we was just doin?
must be one hell of a show
dream on was hilarious
I never watched the wire, but it must be a pretty good show though....I was over a friend's house and he has these go-go nights at his house where the chicks come over and put on a freak show for us....these dudes promptly ended the freak show so they could watch the wire :hammerhead:
every body got dressed and they turned on the TV, Im like what the f*ck on TV could be better than what we was just doin?
must be one hell of a show
Its great...you got comcast cable and the on demand thing? If so you can get caught up on to Season 4 which is starting off great and looks to be the best season. And Season 1 & 3 were GREAT. But to really appreciate it you're gonna have to watch Season 3 if not Season 1 to get the full effect. Understand the players, who is gone, who has new occupations and why the whole nine. I'm sitting here now waiting for my On Demand channel to show next weeks show. Every Monday On Demand broadcasts next Sundays show so i can see it ahead of time which is cool. Like last nights show i saw last Monday already. Yeah its that good that it got people like me that hype to see it.
Favorite character is Omar. He a stick up dude who has the entire hood shook. Only one man with a gun but he has the respect of all because he robs corner boys, stash houses it doesnt matter. You got paper and he wants it? He gets it. And his thing is its not what he is taking, or how much money/drugs he has taken its WHO he is taken it from. He gets a rush out of phucking over big drug lords operation. This cat can show up at a stash house, sit outside, smoke a cig and bags of dope drop to the ground. He doesnt even have to kick in the door with guns blazing.
Man you're sleeping on a GREAT series homie!
the even bigger black guy
10-16-2006, 03:52 PM
The Shield.
:roll:
:roll:
Nothing remotely funny with that because the shield is as good as TheWire. YOU may not agree because your OPINION is TheWire. Deal with it. Just another white boy in awe of urban life. It is ok. Hopefully you get the message behind TheWire and not just the pure entertainment aspect it presents.
ShawnieMac06
10-16-2006, 06:32 PM
I've never watched the Shield, so I won't comment, but I'm really liking this season's Wire. The first season was great, but the second season completely lost me when they got too much away the main storyline (Avon Barksdale), and I didn't watch the third season (didn't get HBO back until recently). This season is getting better by the epsiode, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone eventually gets Marlo Stansfield.
My all-time favorite HBO show was Oz...but the final episodes of that series were complete ****. I was so disappointed in the finale, I can't watch the reruns much anymore. If anybody remembers, they killed off Minister Said and Warden Glynn even before they reached the final episode. Normally if you kill off your main characters, you should at least wait until the final episode.
SCdac
10-16-2006, 07:52 PM
Yeah, I loved Oz. Adebezi (sp?) was def my favorite character... I too was very disappointed with the final season, or so, of Oz. To the point where I pretty much just stopped watching... Was also funny to see Rick Fox in the pen. :roll: I think his character was a basketball player too... before he got locked up of course.
The Shield, from what I've heard, is comparable to the Wire (same director/producer?). Never seen it, but I've heard good things. I love the Wire, so maybe I'd like the Shield as well.
Did anybody else watch Mr. Show, with Bob and David? hahaha good stuff. I got the first 2 seasons on DVD.
I was also a huge fan of Carnivale (at least compared to some of my friends, who were just "fans"). For some reason, I really really liked that show. Cool storyline, mysterious, kept you your toes, etc. Nick Stahl isn't too bad either... I was pissed they didn't pick it up for a third season (or anymore seasons for that matter), but oh well. It was cool while it lasted.
the even bigger black guy
10-16-2006, 08:00 PM
Nothing remotely funny with that because the shield is as good as TheWire. YOU may not agree because your OPINION is TheWire. Deal with it. Just another white boy in awe of urban life. It is ok. Hopefully you get the message behind TheWire and not just the pure entertainment aspect it presents.
the shield is nothing but action entertainment. the wire is social commentary. it's an indictment of our educational system, labor unions, political systems, police force, etc.
for you to put the shield on the same level as the wire shows what a moron you are.
The Shield, from what I've heard, is comparable to the Wire (same director/producer?). Never seen it, but I've heard good things. I love the Wire, so maybe I'd like the Shield as well.
You will but someone will call you a moron as well as the people that told you the shielf was good/comparable to TheWire. So beware. :roll:
the even bigger black guy
10-16-2006, 09:30 PM
the shield isn't a bad show, it just isn't comparable to the wire in any way, shape or form, unless you count both being about police officers.
PaulLev
12-12-2006, 01:44 AM
I think The Wire's among the top 5 or 10 shows in all of television history - The Sopranos are up there, too, but no show conveys the real world like The Wire.
I put up a new episode of my Light On Light Through (http://paullev.libsyn.com) the other day - "The Wire Season 4 in 20 with Driis Speaking on Stringer" ... (the "20" is for 20 mins, and Idris talks about his feelings about Stringer Bell and the show in a new rap record)
TEXAS BATMAN
12-12-2006, 03:53 AM
Best series HBO ever did to me was OZ. Before they f#@ked it up with the over the top story lines. Sometimes it was like you were watching a documentary. And 'Besi was the rawest character on television bar none. A one man wrecking crew. When he got killed off I went into shock.
Wire =Great television. Watch it on OnDemand all the time. Every time somebody stops through I get em hooked on it. HBO oughta be sending me certificates for all the service I've sent their way behind this series.
heavensdevil
12-12-2006, 11:05 AM
When did the wire series begin?... show is sick. check da avatar.
ShawnieMac06
12-12-2006, 06:04 PM
When did the wire series begin?... show is sick. check da avatar.
It premeired around the summer of 2003. BET will start airing reruns in the few weeks, going back to the first episodes. But being that BET is on basic cable, you know it's going to be heavily edited, for both commericals and content. Each episode is usually about 60 minutes in length (the season finales are 80 minutes long), so unless BET plans on keeping everything in and stretch out the commerical breaks, you're going to see a heavily-edited Wire. I suggest you cop copies of the Wire season sets on DVD or watch every epsiode already airing on HBO and record them.
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03-31-2009, 01:23 AM
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DonDadda59
05-03-2009, 09:59 PM
The Sopranos > The Wire overall, but season 4 of the Wire > All Sopranos seasons (except maybe Season 2 and 6B).
The Sopranos had better writing, directing, and acting. It all came together for the wire in season 4 though, that was a masterpiece on it's own.
The Shield? Seriously now, come on.
MarloStanfield
05-03-2009, 10:03 PM
The Sopranos > The Wire overall, but season 4 of the Wire > All Sopranos seasons (except maybe Season 2 and 6B).
The Sopranos had better writing, directing, and acting. It all came together for the wire in season 4 though, that was a masterpiece on it's own.
The Shield? Seriously now, come on.
that's laughable.
DonDadda59
05-03-2009, 10:07 PM
that's laughable.
Says the guy with the Marlo Stanfield monicker, yeah no bias there :rolleyes: . Please illuminate me Mr. Drug Kingpin, why is that 'laughable'?
MarloStanfield
05-03-2009, 10:24 PM
Says the guy with the Marlo Stanfield monicker. Please illuminate me Mr. Drug Kingpin, why is that 'laughable'?
I suppose you aren't familiar with the names of writers who have contributed to the show. It's widely regarded as the greatest ensemble to have worked on an episodic drama.
David Simon who wrote Homicide, The Corner, Generation Kill. Bar none one of the finest writers alive.
Richard Price who is one of the finest true crime writers alive. Some of his more notable titles include like 'Clockers', 'Lush life', 'Freedom Land'. All exceptional.
Dennis Lehane who is responsible for 'Mystic River' and 'Gone Baby Baby Gone' which should speak for itself.
William Zorzi, Rafael Alvarez, Ed Burns, George Pelecanos, the list goes on and on.
DonDadda59
05-03-2009, 10:26 PM
Dennis Lahane
I suppose you aren't familiar with the names of writers who have contributed to the show. It's widely regarded as the greatest ensemble to have worked on an episodic drama.
David Simon who wrote Homicide, The Corner, Generation Kill. Bar none one of the finest writers alive.
Richard Price who is one of the finest true crime writers alive. Some of his more notable titles include like 'Clockers', 'Lush life', 'Freedom Land'. All exceptional.
Dennis Lehane who is responsible for 'Mystic River' and 'Gone Baby Baby Gone' which should speak for itself.
William Zorzi, Rafael Alvarez, Ed Burns, George Pelecanos, the list goes on and on.
I'm familiar with all of those names and I've read and seen most of David Simon's past work. Doesn't change the fact that the Sopranos was a better show.
MarloStanfield
05-03-2009, 10:32 PM
I'm familiar with all of those names and I've read and seen most of David Simon's past work. Doesn't change the fact that the Sopranos was a better show.
LOL. Because you say it is? Sorry that doesn't cut it.
DonDadda59
05-03-2009, 10:48 PM
LOL. Because you say it is? Sorry that doesn't cut it.
Ok, how about this---> James Gandolfini and Edie Falco outclass each and every actor on the Wire by a mile, the only one who even came close was Andre Royo and many times his performance came off as contrived and phony. The Wire never left the level of a documentary (until season 4), whereas the Sopranos was more like an arthouse piece the Wire was more like a history book, which isn't a bad thing mind you but it never got as deep as the Sopranos. Whereas the Sopranos had episodes that were weaker than the rest of the series, the Wire had entire seasons (2, 5, parts of 3). The Wire was more detailed in it's writing but not necesarily better in terms of dialogue and creativity. There were a million characters in the Wire and I'd say 70% of them got too much camera/story time and their arcs amounted to **** and no one really cared about them.
That's just off of the top of my head, I can get deeper if I take the time, but I really don't feel like it right now. Hopefully that cuts it for you.
MarloStanfield
05-03-2009, 11:06 PM
Ok, how about this---> James Gandolfini and Edie Falco outclass each and every actor on the Wire by a mile, the only one who even came close was Andre Royo and many times his performance came off as contrived and phony. The Wire never left the level of a documentary (until season 4), whereas the Sopranos was more like an arthouse piece the Wire was more like a history book, which isn't a bad thing mind you but it never got as deep as the Sopranos. Whereas the Sopranos had episodes that were weaker than the rest of the series, the Wire had entire seasons (2, 5, parts of 3). The Wire was more detailed in it's writing but not necesarily better in terms of dialogue and creativity. There were a million characters in the Wire and I'd say 70% of them got too much camera/story time and their arcs amounted to **** and no one really cared about them.
That's just off of the top of my head, I can get deeper if I take the time, but I really don't feel like it right now. Hopefully that cuts it for you.
LOL it's comical listening to you play your opinions off as fact. Especially when you're discussing the amount of 'creativity' involved in a show that catered to old women. The Sopranos an art house piece? GTFO. The Wire is visionary literature. There has never been anything on TV quite like it hence why it's in a class of it's own. The Sopranos is a glorified soap opera. Each season of the Wire was like a prolonged chapter it was like reading Proust or Mark Twain or some sh*t.
lol GOBB posted like he had a tree up his ass back then.
I cant believe i typed the Shield. I've never watched a full episode before. :oldlol:
1. Someone hacked my acct
2. I was drunk
3. I just went against the grain for arguments sake
:confusedshrug:
DonDadda59
05-03-2009, 11:20 PM
LOL it's comical listening to you play your opinions off as fact. Especially when you're discussing the amount of 'creativity' involved in a show that catered to old women. The Sopranos an art house piece? GTFO. The Wire is visionary literature. There has never been anything on TV quite like it hence why it's in a class of it's own. The Sopranos is a glorified soap opera. Each season of the Wire was like a prolonged chapter it was like reading Proust or Mark Twain or some sh*t.
:oldlol:
Those were some hardcore old women they were catering to. There was nothing visionary about the Wire, and I'm saying this as a big fan of the show. There was so much unnecesary filler on the Wire, the show could've been shaved in half and nothing would be changed or missed. The final season was about as big of a let down as there's ever been, what a collosal waste of everyone's time. And I don't see the connection between The Wire and Mark Twain or 'some sh*t', care to explain?
MarloStanfield
05-03-2009, 11:32 PM
:oldlol:
Those were some hardcore old women they were catering to. There was nothing visionary about the Wire, and I'm saying this as a big fan of the show. There was so much unnecesary filler on the Wire, the show could've been shaved in half and nothing would be changed or missed. The final season was about as big of a let down as there's ever been, what a collosal waste of everyone's time. And I don't see the connection between The Wire and Mark Twain or 'some sh*t', care to explain?
Sounds like a lot of the themes flew over your head if you don't think there was any visionary about the Wire. Almost every single episodic drama on television to date prior to the Wire followed a generic formula. The viewer would be able to The Wire threw that formula out the window and modeled it after a novel. The Wire was never gave the viewer a climax and a resolution by the end of each episode. It demanded the viewer's concentration and in order to fully understand the story you'd have to watch an entire season. It was revolutionary in that sense.
While I agree the 5th season was a slight let down the Sopranos fell off way before it's final season and lost a lot of it's edginess.
I'll touch on the parallels between Twain and The Wire at a later date, occupied atm.
johndeeregreen
05-04-2009, 12:36 AM
Always wanted to see this. Anyone know where I can watch online?
Styles p
05-04-2009, 12:49 AM
www.surfthechannel.com
johndeeregreen
05-04-2009, 12:51 AM
www.surfthechannel.com
Nope.
Styles p
05-04-2009, 12:52 AM
o then just d/l the torrents.
Tarik One
05-04-2009, 02:40 PM
Season 4 of the Wire was by far the most depressing. So much letdown: Politics, education, drug abuse, gang intimidation in the streets and poverty.
Watching that security guard get murked by Marlo's crew just for "talking back" was one of the saddes moments on the show.
brandonislegend
05-04-2009, 03:43 PM
the wire = :bowdown:
step_back
05-04-2009, 03:49 PM
The wire was and still is one of the most engrossing TV shows out there. When I started watching it about 3 years ago I was hooked. It recently just came to BBC2 over here in the U.K. not sure how well it's doing though.
1987_Lakers
04-03-2011, 05:07 PM
Season 4 of the Wire is a masterpiece. As much as I love season 2 of The Sopranos, The Wire S4 is on another level. Such an amazing season.
RidonKs
04-03-2011, 05:42 PM
why did Goober write The Wire as one word so many times?
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