Varejao re-ups with Cleveland for 6 years $50 million

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4315370

He got paid:eek:

[Luigi]

What does this mean for the rest of Cleveland's free agencythis summer?

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

I don't know but damn. Overpay much?

[simcjt]

He got paid:eek:
.... Word.

[bagelred]

WTF? Why did they do that?......

They could have beat any offer anyway? Who was giving him more than the MLE? OMG...........


Once again, a team bidding against itself. :hammerhead:

[Posterize246]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[GoldNugg21]

And people said we overpaid Chris Andersen. :roll:

[InspiredLebowski]

Wow. I even like Andy, but he'll be making what, $11mm the final year? So much for that teams tightening their belts in the weakened economy idea.

They were in great shape to have a lot of cap room next summer, and still will have a good amount, but they could've acquired a guy much better than Andy with this money next year you'd think.

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

dumb move by the Cavs

[RedBlackAttack]

WTF are Ferry/Gilbert thinking? :hammerhead: Just when I was starting to think they had their sh!t together.

God help us...

[GoRapz]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :lol :lol

[Meticode]

That's actually less than I thought he would get. He was wanting something around 10 million a year over 5 years from what I heard. Still overpaid nonetheless.

[bagelred]

Anderson Verajao has become instantly untradeable.

Bargnani gets $50 million, Verajao $50 million....WTF??????????

[beasted86]

WTF are Ferry/Gilbert thinking? :hammerhead: Just when I was starting to think they had their sh!t together.

God help us...
Yes!

Barring a S&T... Goodbye Bosh/Amare/Boozer in 2010. :banana:

[RedBlackAttack]

That's actually less than I thought he would get. He was wanting something around 10 million a year over 5 years from what I heard.

He isn't worth any more than the MLE. :hammerhead: If this is what he was asking, it should have been a no-brainer to let him walk. :hammerhead:

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

Ferry needs to be shot

[Meticode]

He isn't worth any more than the MLE. :hammerhead: If this is what he was asking, it should have been a no-brainer to let him walk. :hammerhead:

Oh well, we'll have to deal with him. He better have a career year this year starting alongside Shaq.

[Kobe Jnr]

damnn 50 million that's a bit too much, how much would u guys have given him?

[bagelred]

David Lee is watching this and must be p=ssed the f-ck off!!!!

Knicks aren't budging on 4 years, $32 million :lol

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

Oh well, we'll have to deal with him. He better have a career year this year starting alongside Shaq.

career year my ass. You just overpaid like hell and now he's instantly untradeable

[takeittothehoop]

That's a lot of money for Varejo. Perhaps the reasoning behind it was that Lebron really wanted him to stay and Cleveland can't really just not listen to him.

[InspiredLebowski]

damnn 50 million that's a bit too much, how much would u guys have given him?

Maybe 4/$26. This is a toxic contract.

[1~Gibson~1]

He isnt worth it, but we absolutely needed him back and i understand. he'll be coming off the bench though :lol Ferry will probably sign a jumpshooting big with the BAE (Channing Frye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rant )

[beasted86]

David Lee is watching this and must be p=ssed the f-ck off!!!!

Knicks aren't budging on 4 years, $32 million :lol
You realize that isn't a whole lot less, right?

[NBASTATMAN]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4315370

He got paid:eek:


Wow 8 million a year for a backup pf.. This is funny..Lamar's price just went up to 12-14 million a year..

[RedBlackAttack]

Oh well, we'll have to deal with him. He better have a career year this year starting alongside Shaq.
I don't see how a frontcourt of Shaq and Varejao can possibly even work. Shaq needs a stretch 4 alongside him, not a guy that lives around the basket and has no jumper. I can't imagine any argument that rationally explains what the FO was thinking, here.

[simcjt]

That's a lot of money for Varejo. Perhaps the reasoning behind it was that Lebron really wanted him to stay and Cleveland can't really just not listen to him.
Even if that was the case ... 50 mil... if James is really as business savvy as people portray him as .. like really 50 mil for him. Not a good long term investment unless they somehow win it all this year & resign james

[west]

Thank you Cleveland.:banana: :hammertime:

[InspiredLebowski]

I don't see how a frontcourt of Shaq and Varejao can possibly even work. Shaq needs a stretch 4 alongside him, not a guy that lives around the basket and has no jumper. I can't imagine any argument that rationally explains what the FO was thinking, here.

I'm telling you, Troy Murphy's a perfect 4 for Cleveland. And Ferry's a nutter apparently, Z + Hickson for Trey Murphy.

[D-Rose]

Wow 8 million a year for a backup pf.. This is funny..Lamar's price just went up to 12-14 million a year..
Except no one can afford him? Portland is chasing others. LA is smart to stay patient, they're only bidding against themselves.

[takeittothehoop]

His stats could even go down rather than up. We all know that guys underpeform sometimes after getting paid and won't the cavaliers primairy focus on offense at least be shaq? He won't get enough of the ball to improve on offense. It's not like he's going to go out and get 3 blocks per game either.

[beasted86]

how much would u guys have given him?

4 yr/$29M.... basically the same $7.2M he opted out of, spread over 4 years.

[Posterize246]

I wouldn't even trade Dalembert for him now. :oldlol:

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Wow.....just Wow....

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

I wouldn't even trade Dalembert for him now. :oldlol:

:roll:

[DonDadda59]

Wow, talk about incompetence :oldlol:

[takeittothehoop]

I'm telling you, Troy Murphy's a perfect 4 for Cleveland. And Ferry's a nutter apparently, Z + Hickson for Trey Murphy.
Yeah Murphy would be a good fit for the cavs. Had a good season last year and he won't cost them much in a trade.

[poido123]

Could of got David Lee for that amount correct? Wow, this is a bad move by Cleveland, I like that team, but bad bad move 8.5 mill a year for a role player wow...

[bagelred]

You realize that isn't a whole lot less, right?

2 years more guaranteed money for an inferior player.

[john_d]

it sucks to be a cavs fan these days...

when it rain it pours.

[BFRESH44]

Dan Fegan is a beast, goddamn. :oldlol: Just put down Marion and Sideshow bob for 90.

[1~Gibson~1]

I'm telling you, Troy Murphy's a perfect 4 for Cleveland. And Ferry's a nutter apparently, Z + Hickson for Trey Murphy.we're not getting murphy unless you're taking Wally :lol after the shaq trade we dont really have anymore trade assets.

[Twiens]

Wow :eek:

[danumber88]

And people said we overpaid Chris Andersen. :roll:

..and Andrea Bargnani. :oldlol:

[InspiredLebowski]

we're not getting murphy unless you're taking Wally :lol after the shaq trade we dont really have anymore trade assets.

Isn't Wally a FA?

[bagelred]

8.6 PPG / 7.2 RPG /1.0 APG last season


Wow. :hammerhead:

[mlh1981]

This is absolute ****!ng horsesh!t. I can't believe we just did this. I hate this guy. I hate his flopping, I hate the way he attempts to play offense, and I hate the fact that he gets 30 minutes a game when the truth of the matter is, he's a 15 MPG energy guy.

He's not going to get any better. He is who he is. I am a guy who tries to look at the glass as being half full, but I really can't with this.

[takeittothehoop]

we're not getting murphy unless you're taking Wally :lol after the shaq trade we dont really have anymore trade assets.
What? You wouldnt offload Big Z?

[RedBlackAttack]

This is absolute ****!ng horsesh!t. I can't believe we just did this. I hate this guy. I hate his flopping, I hate the way he attempts to play offense, and I hate the fact that he gets 30 minutes a game when the truth of the matter is, he's a 15 MPG energy guy.

He's not going to get any better. He is who he is. I am a guy who tries to look at the glass as being half full, but I really can't with this.
I'm with ya. There is no valid explanation for this move other than an incompetent FO. I have absolutely zero faith in them after this debacle.

[RedBlackAttack]

What? You wouldnt offload Big Z?
That is an $11 million expirer and a solid backup center. So, no.... Not for Murphy.

[PleezeBelieve]

Hahaha, we deserved to get laughed at for this. :roll:

[embersyc]

Why would they pay him that much? No other team was going to come along and give him more than the MLE. Guess they wanted to keep him happy. I do think the Cavs need him, he is an impact player, but wow, that makes Charlie Villanueva's contract look like a bargain.

[InspiredLebowski]

Hey Cleveland, you could have a guy who'll never, ever play for you again signed up for $15 over the next two. Look on the bright side.

[AlThornton]

This is the last year Cleveland has a shot at a Championship. I think they wil be slightly better than last year, but will it be enough to beat Orlando, and Boston?

[danumber88]

6 years of pain. Funny part is he has no room for development he is just an energy guy.

[bigkingsfan]

Why would you bid against yourself. Easily worst contract in the league now.

[RedBlackAttack]

he is an impact player
...not really. I've watched his entire career and he is no better than an energy guy off the bench on a contending team. An impact player he is not...

[cavsfanatic]

Yes!

Barring a S&T... Goodbye Bosh/Amare/Boozer in 2010. :banana:
nobody is getting two superstars in 2010 if the cap goes to 50-53 mil as projected. not the knicks, not the heat, not the nets, not the cavs... its impossible to sign two max contracts with that cap.... still overpaid the bum tho

[Bodhi]

Wow, rough day for Cavs fans. First LeBron confiscates a video of him getting dumped on and then you pay a player nearly twice what he's worth.

[beasted86]

Incase you guys missed it.... No more Bosh or Amare in 2010!

:hammertime:

[meh]

Is Varejo one of Lebron's buddies or something? The only way I can possibly explain this deal is that they know Lebron's coming back, and will overpay to make sure Lebron plays with his friends. Even Danny Ferry can't be this stupid.

Can he?

[InspiredLebowski]

Wow, rough day for Cavs fans. First LeBron confiscates a video of him getting dumped on and then you pay a player nearly twice what he's worth.

He's into that sorta thing?

[RocketGreatness]

What a terrible move really....That's just asking LeBron to go somewhere else. :oldlol:

This contract will be worse when Adonal Foyle got easy money like that in Golden State. :oldlol:

[1~Gibson~1]

What? You wouldnt offload Big Z?
hell no :mad:


Isn't Wally a FA?
i meant through sign and trade

[wang4three]

He's gonna be a nice expirer in a 5 years.

[bagelred]

nobody is getting two superstars in 2010 if the cap goes to 50-53 mil as projected. not the knicks, not the heat, not the nets, not the cavs... its impossible to sign two max contracts with that cap.... still overpaid the bum tho

Unless someone works a SnT.

I think the Knicks could get Bosh in a SnT and sign Lebron outright.....maybe.

[1~Gibson~1]

He's into that sorta thing?
:oldlol:

[mlh1981]

Too bad Mathius doesn't post here anymore. He hated Andy more than anyone. His reaction to this would be absolutely explosive.

[InspiredLebowski]

i meant through sign and trade

If it's some sort of deal where it meets the money requirements but the buyout is like $3mm then absolutely. Though I'm 99.9% sure that's probably illegal.

[beasted86]

nobody is getting two superstars in 2010 if the cap goes to 50-53 mil as projected. not the knicks, not the heat, not the nets, not the cavs... its impossible to sign two max contracts with that cap.... still overpaid the bum tho
The Heat have no guaranteed contracts in 2010. They can sign whoever they want. They'll likely pick up the rookie options on Beasley, Chalmers & Cook ($7M combined), but everyone else is likely gone.

Proves Riley was maybe right all along to be patient. :rockon:

[ElPigto]

Didn't see this coming. This is like a poor man's Rashard Lewis deal. :oldlol:

[1~Gibson~1]

The Heat have no guaranteed contracts in 2010. They can sign whoever they want. They'll likely pick up the rookie options on Beasley, Chalmers & Cook ($7M combined), but everyone else is likely gone.

Proves Riley was maybe right all along to be patient. :rockon:
then you'll have 2 superstars and a bunch of bums :applause:

[LutherHeadJob]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[beasted86]

then you'll have 2 superstars and a bunch of bums :applause:

No... we'll have a good starting lineup, and a bunch of bums... Chalmers/Wade/Beasley/Haslem/Bosh starting with Cook off the bench, but then it gets really, really ugly.

[west]

Not even Isiah Thomas/McHale can pull this off.:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

excellent. at 6/$50m that means he is their starting power forward.
Shaq and AndyV in the post.
foolish move. AndyV is not a threat from 15 feet. that much easier to double Shaq...if necessary.

that will be an ugly contract in a couple years....unless he develops some offensive skill.

[Bodhi]

He's into that sorta thing?

That's the only reason I can think of for why so many people are talking about a video of him today.

[boozehound]

He's gonna be a nice expirer in a 5 years.
now that is a positive attitude. Wow, Im really shocked. They coulda had milsap for that or freaking bass and dice. I know they did it after dice committed to SA, but god damn, what a terrible move.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

Didn't see this coming. This is like a poor man's Rashard Lewis deal. :oldlol:
:oldlol: Good way of putting it.

This is seriously shooting yourself in the foot. You don't play a guy like Varejao that kind of money, you just don't.

[triangleoffense]

This is a such a shame. Varejo is making close to 8.5mil a year. 8.5mil for what? His 8 points and 7 rebounds that he gets a game? Artest is getting paid the MLE (6mil a year) for 15 points, 4+ boards and 4+ assists that he dishes per game. Sheed is almost making approximately that much annually with the Celtics and despite having a horrible playoff performance last year he still managed to averaged 12+ points a game and 7+ boards a game. Sheed can also hit threes and provides veteran leadership.

I know Cleveland is paying Varejo for the projected player that he is suppose to be but I just don't project Varejo being worth that much.

[boozehound]

This is a such a shame. Varejo is making close to 8.5mil a year. 8.5mil for what? His 8 points and 7 rebounds that he gets a game? Artest is getting paid the MLE (6mil a year) for 15 points, 4+ boards and 4+ assists that he dishes per game. Sheed is almost making approximately that much annually with the Celtics and despite having a horrible playoff performance last year he still managed to averaged 12+ points a game and 7+ boards a game. Sheed can also hit threes and provides veteran leadership.
but they couldnt get sheed. and they couldnt get dice. so they panicked

[bagelred]

http://havanta.files.wordpress.com/2006/11/side-show-bob.jpg


F you, Krusty!!!! I just got paid!!!!!!

[InspiredLebowski]

So obviously Cleveland is saying all or nothing, 2010 is the title year. Who's left out there for the MLE?

[beasted86]

So obviously Cleveland is saying all or nothing, 2010 is the title year. Who's left out there for the MLE?
Looks like they already spent most of it on Anthony Parker (rumored ~$3M), instead of Matt Barnes like a smart GM would have.

[Posterize246]

Verejao got Billy King'd.

[BallersTalk]

How stupi is Danny Ferry? It's official. LeBron to NY. How can he put up with a GM that does this? One of the worst GMs ever. The only reason he's had team success is cause God gave him the gift of King James.

[Kingwillball]

Other than Shaq move the Cavs offseason between draft and FA period has left a lot to be desire to say the least.

[BallersTalk]

but they couldnt get sheed. and they couldnt get dice. so they panicked
This happens too often though. Danny Ferry is a complete and utter moron. This is worse than the signing of Hughes when they couldn't lure Redd.

[cavsfanatic]

Looks like they already spent most of it on Anthony Parker (rumored ~$3M), instead of Matt Barnes like a smart GM would have.
Matt barnes would not be a good fit here. He thrives in fast pace offenses. Scoop jackson and Chris Broussard both said parker is a better fit and i agree. Parker > Barnes

[hawkfan]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4315370

He got paid:eek:

The Cavs way, way overpaid, especially when you look at what Pachulia got.

He's not worth the money, but the more important thing was not to lose a player and aggravate LBJ, who could then leave.

But in a couple of years, I could see him getting traded, so Cleveland can unload his awful contract.

[ALBballer]

:wtf:

How does a rotational big man get a 50 million dollar contract? He's never even averaged more then 10 points or 10 rebounds a year. Sheesh David Lee (sorry to make this thread Knicks related lol) is twice the player Varejeo is and he shouldn't be making this type of money.

[cavsfanatic]

Ohio's state taxes are so f'ing high that we have to over pay to get players. this was a case were we shouldnt have overpaid but for hughes we had to..... our own states greediness is the reason we losing

[cavsfanatic]

The Heat have no guaranteed contracts in 2010. They can sign whoever they want. They'll likely pick up the rookie options on Beasley, Chalmers & Cook ($7M combined), but everyone else is likely gone.

Proves Riley was maybe right all along to be patient. :rockon:
Ya boy wade wants to win a contend this year. i think ya'll will end up trading for boozer this season

[west]

The Cavs way, way overpaid, especially when you look at what Pachulia got.

He's not worth the money, but the more important thing was not to lose a player and aggravate LBJ, who could then leave.

But in a couple of years, I could see him getting traded, so Cleveland can unload his awful contract.
You know that is terrible when hawkfan.......oh wait....:lol

[Snoop_Cat]

Yes! Come to us LeBron!

[krazy19]

Trevor Ariza is rolling in his grave right now.

[Eldrunko247]

Overpaid flopper

[cavsfanatic]

this contract better have some team options or danny ferry gone get assassinated by.....me. yes i will go to jail for life if he f's up my chance to see a ring

[beasted86]

Matt barnes would not be a good fit here. He thrives in fast pace offenses. Scoop jackson and Chris Broussard both said parker is a better fit and i agree. Parker > Barnes
I don't think either of them will be big factors in the offense considering you would have thie playing behind LeBron, Shaq, Mo, and even Delonte to an extent.

All you need is spot shooting & defense. Barnes is a better defender, and a more versatile defender.... by him playing PF at times last season, and defending it okay. He can guard the 1-4, Parker is more 1-3.

[cavsfanatic]

this is what andy is doing right now with money

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-68LVLWtSI

[cavsfanatic]

I don't think either of them will be big factors in the offense considering you would have thie playing behind LeBron, Shaq, Mo, and even Delonte to an extent.

All you need is spot shooting & defense. Barnes is a better defender, and a more versatile defender.... by him playing PF at times last season, and defending it okay. He can guard the 1-4, Parker is more 1-3.
you think he's a better defender? i dont but he played with non defense teams so he may play some.

[BallersTalk]

You know at least some signings make sense. Like some teams sign for potential, for example. But this makes ZERO sense.

[Kingwillball]

His contract is actually 6 yrs for 42 Mil but he can make up to 50 mil with incentives. Still sucks but 42 million seems a little easier to digest for some reason.

[BallersTalk]

I don't think either of them will be big factors in the offense considering you would have thie playing behind LeBron, Shaq, Mo, and even Delonte to an extent.

All you need is spot shooting & defense. Barnes is a better defender, and a more versatile defender.... by him playing PF at times last season, and defending it okay. He can guard the 1-4, Parker is more 1-3.
You can't have liabilities on either end when you have stacked teams like the Lakers to compete with, a team that can basically throw out a lineup on the floor with no flaws and then throw in a bench lineup that can beat up on your starters.

[cavsfanatic]

His contract is actually 6 yrs for 42 Mil but he can make up to 50 mil with incentives. Still sucks but 42 million seems a little easier to digest for some reason.
woooooooooo. 7 mil is what i would have paid him

[RedBlackAttack]

His contract is actually 6 yrs for 42 Mil but he can make up to 50 mil with incentives. Still sucks but 42 million seems a little easier to digest for some reason.
$42 million sounds much better... But I still don't like the six years.

[The Big Skinny]

This has got to be a joke?

EPIC FAIL

:hammertime:

[Posterize246]

Clip of Verejao after signing the deal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pybpb089oDY

[BallersTalk]

Mark Madsen was probably better than Varejao. I doubt he got anything close to this much money.

[RedBlackAttack]

Mark Madsen was probably better than Varejao. I doubt he got anything close to this much money.
Let's not get too crazy, now.

[ElPigto]

$42 million sounds much better... But I still don't like the six years.

I remember when the Rockets signed Kelvin Cato to a 6 yr 42M contract. Boy was it dreadful to watch him play through that contract. :(

[Big_Dogg]

This contract makes the contract we gave Luke Walton look like the bargain of the century.

[chitownsfinest]

Wow Cavs are fu*ked. Anderson has little to no upside and no room to improve.

[cavsfanatic]

$42 million sounds much better... But I still don't like the six years.last year of contract not guranteed. the more that comes out the more calm i become

[RedBlackAttack]

last year of contract not guranteed. the more that comes out the more calm i become
I have to say... It isn't nearly as bad as first reported after reading the fine print. I'm not exactly happy with it, but it isn't the worst contract in the league, either.

A bad contract? Yes. Worth getting all worked up over? Probably not.

$7 million a season over five years is not going to kill us.

[CantStop]

I love how Cavs fans are reading carefully to make themselves think that the deal is justifiable. It's a top 5 worst contract in the NBA when you consider who it is. He doesn't provide any more than Josh Powell and Powell is playing for less than 1 million.

[cavsfanatic]

I love how Cavs fans are reading carefully to make themselves think that the deal is justifiable. It's a top 5 worst contract in the NBA when you consider who it is. He doesn't provide any more than Josh Powell and Powell is playing for less than 1 million.
lol you dont watch cavs basketball like "cavs fans" do. He made 6.6 last year and he opted out to make 7. I'll smack you if you say he doesnt provide more than josh powell when he doesnt even touch the court unless its a blow out. The deal is ok for now. Birdman type deal is what i wanted but o well

[ElPigto]

I have to say... It isn't nearly as bad as first reported after reading the fine print. I'm not exactly happy with it, but it isn't the worst contract in the league, either.

A bad contract? Yes. Worth getting all worked up over? Probably not.

$7 million a season over five years is not going to kill us.

I usually would agree with you BUT lets not forget that they project for the salary cap to be lowered next year. I don't think teams should be overpaying for talent when they can potentially pay for it due to a lower cap.

[poido123]

Perhaps Lebron demanding verejeo to stay at all costs had something to do with it? :confusedshrug:

[GOBB]

I love how Cavs fans are reading carefully to make themselves think that the deal is justifiable. It's a top 5 worst contract in the NBA when you consider who it is. He doesn't provide any more than Josh Powell and Powell is playing for less than 1 million.

:wtf:

Lets not exagerrate. Anderson Varaejo isnt a bad player. He is clearly better than Josh Powell.

[konex]

What the hell? This just pushed Lamar's price way up :rant

[RedBlackAttack]

I usually would agree with you BUT lets not forget that they project for the salary cap to be lowered next year. I don't think teams should be overpaying for talent when they can potentially pay for it due to a lower cap.
Oh... I agree. It is a bad contract, but the more details that come out, the less aggravated I am. I will never agree with this signing. I wanted the Cavs to let AV walk if he insisted on more than the full MLE (and I thought that might be too much).

But, I was beside myself when I saw $50 million over six years... Now that we know it is 'only' $42 million guaranteed over five years, I feel a little better. Again... Not happy with the signing, but after the first reports, feeling slightly better about it.

[Darius]

Lmao.

[ElPigto]

Oh... I agree. It is a bad contract, but the more details that come out, the less aggravated I am. I will never agree with this signing. I wanted the Cavs to let AV walk if he insisted on more than the full MLE (and I thought that might be too much).

But, I was beside myself when I saw $50 million over six years... Now that we know it is 'only' $42 million guaranteed over five years, I feel a little better. Again... Not happy with the signing, but after the first reports, feeling slightly better about it.

I wonder why the Cavs outbid themselves? Who was seriously considering signing Andy? Teams are always doing this and I wonder why.

[nbastatus]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
i wish i can flop for that much.

[AlThornton]

Ferry must not have learned anything from his time in San Antonio. I bet if Presti was Cleveland GM they would be starting a dynasty right about now.

[meh]

lol you dont watch cavs basketball like "cavs fans" do. He made 6.6 last year and he opted out to make 7. I'll smack you if you say he doesnt provide more than josh powell when he doesnt even touch the court unless its a blow out. The deal is ok for now. Birdman type deal is what i wanted but o well

Maybe it's because you just watch the Cavs, so I'll give you a pass. But let me tell you something. There are plenty of guys in this league who play incredible defense like Varejo, have trouble shooting like him, and are making 1/2 of his salary. They aren't starters, because only a team so thin upfront would put such an inept offensive player in the starting lineup.

Now, if you were to tell me there's inside info that this deal is connected to Lebron resigning, then it's a good deal. Heck, paying Varejo the max would almost be considered a bargain if Lebron signs with him. But Varejao himself is not worth nearly that much money.

Edit: Btw, even bringing up a player like Josh Powell to compare Varejao to shows how he's not worth nearly that much money.

[CantStop]

:wtf:

Lets not exagerrate. Anderson Varaejo isnt a bad player. He is clearly better than Josh Powell.

When Josh plays, he produces. When Bynum was out, Josh came in and held his own. It's just that Andy gets more mins because the front line is a joke. Josh plays behind Bynum, Gasol and Lamar. Josh's offensive game is obviously 10x better than Andy's. His defense is average but he doesn't flop.

[RedBlackAttack]

I wonder why the Cavs outbid themselves? Who was seriously considering resigning Andy? Teams are always doing this and I wonder why.
Like I said... I can't see any rational excuse for this. The only thing is if there is any truth that LeBron wanted him signed at all costs. But, again (like you said), I don't see anyone offering any more than the MLE. It seems like a panic move, but I'm not sure why. It isn't as though teams were clamoring over Varejao. :confusedshrug:

...makes no sense to me.

[cavsfanatic]

Ferry must not have learned anything from his time in San Antonio. I bet if Presti was Cleveland GM they would be starting a dynasty right about now.
Presti wanted andy but him and ferry "close friends" so he didnt go there. hmmm

[ElPigto]

Like I said... I can't see any rational excuse for this. The only thing is if there is any truth that LeBron wanted him signed at all costs. But, again (like you said), I don't see anyone offering any more than the MLE. It seems like a panic move, but I'm not sure why. It isn't as though teams were clamoring over Varejao. :confusedshrug:

...makes no sense to me.

Sorry to keep quoting you, I just wish I could strangle an answer out of you, although I know you are as baffled as I am. :oldlol:

:cheers:

[godofgods]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4315370

He got paid:eek:

He should. He's the 3rd best Cav after Bron and Big Z.

[RedBlackAttack]

Sorry to keep quoting you, I just wish I could strangle an answer out of you, although I know you are as baffled as I am. :oldlol:

:cheers:
Yeah... I'm totally at a loss. But, there are some Cavs fans on the RCF boards justifying this deal and calling it a good move.

Here is an example...


A very reasonable deal.

Andy has holes that will likely never go away but he's also young, entering his prime, and is a true big. The deal effectively secures that he will be a Cav if healthy for the most productive years of his career and assures we won't be dependent on only 30+ year old players in the frontcourt

Even more reasonable considering the last year of his contract (which will be one of the more expensive years) will be partially guaranteed so the cost of the contract could be significantly lower.

If his first year is only MLE type money as well that gives us some room next year to work with

[darius15]

LMAO. Cleveland's championship hopes just went down the toilet.

Good luck Cavs fans, you'll need it.:D

[triangleoffense]

What the hell? This just pushed Lamar's price way up :rant

Damn I didn't even think of this... things were going so well for the Lakers front office too. Artest signed for the MLE, Sheed signed for the MLE. I hope Odom doesn't see this deal as a bargaining chip for him to get paid more than he should.

[SmackOrH.A.K]

Lmao. I'd rather have Gortat. **** I'd rather have Chuck Hayes then Varejao.

[D-Rose]

Damn I didn't even think of this... things were going so well for the Lakers front office too. Artest signed for the MLE, Sheed signed for the MLE. I hope Odom doesn't see this deal as a bargaining chip for him to get paid more than he should.
Problem for Lamar is. there aren't many teams left with cap space. The only two realistic places are Portland and LA. Portland is more interested in David Lee, Andre Miller, or Paul Millsap(they are about to make an offer to him).

LA and Odom will probably come to an agreement soon.

Also the cap going even further down next year is going to make a lot of teams (if they had cap space) to stay away from giving a huge contract as such.

[xtn5021]

Damn... He got his money.

[Lakers13]

Ouch, they needed to resign him, but not at that amount. Thats gonna hurt for 5 years.

[poido123]

Odom might want to start on a different team and get his payday? They had issues with Odom wanting to play a starter roll earlier last season, but that calmed down, but did Odom really put that out of his head? He's got his ring now, he might want to get more money, his priorities maybe different to the other Lakers, who knows...:confusedshrug:

[Guy10]

From this article: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4315370


This time around it was much clearer to Cleveland GM Danny Ferry that Varejao was a critical piece to the Cavs' chances at a championship

Varejao has been a huge source of energy and defense for the Cavs in the paint. With both Shaquille O'Neal and Zydrunas Ilgauskas in the last year of their contracts, he has proven to be the Cavs' big man of the future.

:roll: :roll:

What future? The future of lottery?

[AznTacoLover]

oh ****.. dude has seriously got paid well :O

[TheGreatDeraj]

He should. He's the 3rd best Cav after Bron and Big Z.

You think Varejao is better than Shaq? :wtf:

I just hope you forgot shaq was on the Cavs.

[dyna]

Varejao's contract is worth $42.5 million over the six years, and the final year is only partially guaranteed. Incentives could push the total amount to $50 million.:wtf:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4315370

:cry:

[shadow]

holy crap what was the Cavs GM smoking? I thought they were trying to KEEP LeBron, not drive him away?

[visirale]

Hahahha the Cleveland front office has made this off-season into an epic failure.

[BigTicket]

I don't like it, but its not as bad as people make it out to be.

The contract is 42M over 6 years, thats 7M per year, meaning the contract starts somewhere around 5-6M per year and then goes up as usual. Essentially this is the MLE just for a longer period, and the 6th year isnt even guarenteed.

Then there's the extra 8M in incentives, but those you only have to pay if he actually does a good job, and if he does a good job then why is it a problem to pay him ?

Not a good job by the frontoffice certainly, but I've seen a lot worse.

[coin24]

I dont get the hype over this guy, he flops on defence all the time and is basically useless on offence except for an open layup or dunk..

After watching the cavs fall appart against orlando and run james isolation plays for most of the 2nd halves, you would think they were after a pf who can score....

I guess it was hard for cle to sign anyone with the lebron situation but damn, that signing is a waste of money imo...

[Godfather]

Sideshow Andy has become one of the better defenders in the league, but he is by no means worth this much.

Perhaps if he makes a jump next season (like the one he made from last year) this will prove to be worth it.

[All Net]

Problem for Lamar is. there aren't many teams left with cap space. The only two realistic places are Portland and LA. Portland is more interested in David Lee, Andre Miller, or Paul Millsap(they are about to make an offer to him).

LA and Odom will probably come to an agreement soon.

Also the cap going even further down next year is going to make a lot of teams (if they had cap space) to stay away from giving a huge contract as such.

Luckily this isn't 2010

Lamar is worth loads more than Varejao no question but it's impossible for him to get a huge deal this summer.

[NZ33]

Has Pleezebelive posted in this thread yet he is going to hit the roof.

[poido123]

Has Pleezebelive posted in this thread yet he is going to hit the roof.

He has, he basically said that all posters should feel free to laugh at this ridiculous contract :lol :roll:

[kraze94]

This makes Jerome James contract look like a steal :lol:

[RobertSwift31]

My question is this:

Why wouldn't they put this offer on the table for one of the RFAs (Lee or Milsap) and see if the Knicks or Jazz would match. Either would be better than AV.

Cavs dont have the cap space to sign an RFA? is that it?

[fadeaway3]

When Josh plays, he produces. When Bynum was out, Josh came in and held his own. It's just that Andy gets more mins because the front line is a joke. Josh plays behind Bynum, Gasol and Lamar. Josh's offensive game is obviously 10x better than Andy's. His defense is average but he doesn't flop.

Uh....No

[brooks_thompson]

have not read any other posts, but wow what an agent and what a bummer for the cavs. yeah, he's decent, and maybe even almost worth that amount, but it's luxury tax and it stinks

[strike first]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

how can cleveland be so clueless

[Harison]

I'm sorry for Cavs fans... :confusedshrug:

[2LeTTeRS]

This contract is basically 5 years 35 mil (plus and additional 6th year thats not guaranteed so can be traded and released as Sasha Pavlovic was for Shaq) + $7.5 mil in incentives. Still expensive but not that bad, especially since Andy seems to be so close to Bron. I still hope the Cavs bring in another 4 that is long, athletic and can shoot like Channing Frye.

Oh and doesn't the Cavs bringing in all these big men seem like a bad sign to Z? If they are bringing in Shaq, Andy, possibly another free agent big, JJ (who they hope will be healthy for next year), and could also bring back Joe Smith as well as claiming that Bron will play some time at the 4 how much playing time is left for Z? I can basically guarantee right now that Z and Shaq will never be able to be on the court at the same time, so how much burn will he actually be able to get.

[RedBlackAttack]

This contract is basically 5 years 35 mil (plus and additional 6th year thats not guaranteed so can be traded and released as Sasha Pavlovic was for Shaq) + $7.5 mil in incentives. Still expensive but not that bad, especially since Andy seems to be so close to Bron. I still hope the Cavs bring in another 4 that is long, athletic and can shoot like Channing Frye.

Oh and doesn't the Cavs bringing in all these big men seem like a bad sign to Z? If they are bringing in Shaq, Andy, possibly another free agent big, JJ (who they hope will be healthy for next year), and could also bring back Joe Smith as well as claiming that Bron will play some time at the 4 how much playing time is left for Z? I can basically guarantee right now that Z and Shaq will never be able to be on the court at the same time, so how much burn will he actually be able to get.
The deal certainly isn't as bad as I thought it was at first and definitely not as poor as people are making it out to be. He is basically committed to the MLE with slight increases each year and, if he doesn't perform well, it isn't going to take much of a bite out of our cap.

I would be shocked if Z played past this season. He is a finesse player whose shot is not likely to go away any time soon, but he is continually getting slower and offenses will take advantage of that. The funny thing is, he and Shaq would likely work well together offensively. Defensively, however, it would be a catastrophe to have both on the floor at the same time.

Basically, I don't see Z ever leaving Cleveland and I don't see the Cavs giving him a contract after he plays out this season. I'll be happy to see him retire a Cavalier, though. He has pretty much become a Clevelander... Married a Cleveland girl, has a group of Clevelander friends that he frequents bars with, and he played through the very difficult years prior to LeBron's arrival and never complained... He deserves to end his career in the wine and gold.

I didn't want the Cavs to re-sign Varejao. I am upset that they brought him back at all. That is my biggest disappointment. His play doesn't warrant this contract, but it isn't nearly as close to as bad as a straight 6 year, $50 million deal which was first reported. He would have to play his @ss off to earn all of those incentives and, if he does that, then he was worth it. I doubt he does, though.

[Melissa]

Cleveland is just setting up Varejao as the face of the franchise after Bron-Bron bolts in '10

[Lebron23]

I don't like this signing because Varejao has proven that he's a one dimensional PF.

I hope the Cavs trade him before the NBA trading deadline.

[Lebron23]

I'm sorry for Cavs fans... :confusedshrug:


I am sorry for your mom because she gave birth to a dumb @$$.

[fos]

Danny Ferry is this:

http://blog.kjstyle.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/retard.jpg

[Lebron23]

2009-10 Unofficial Roster

C- Shaquille O'Neal - 7'1"
F- Anderson Varejao - 6'11"
F- LeBron James - 6'9"
G- Anthony Parker - 6'6"
G- Mo Williams - 6'1"

Bench

C- Zydrunas Ilgauskas - 7'3"
PF- Darnel Jackson - 6'9"
PF- JJ Hickson - 6'9"
SF- Danny Green - 6'6"
SG- Daniel Gibson - 6'2"
PG- Delonte West - 6'3"

[Finn T-Mac]

Cavs just got f***ed. How do you pay him that kinda money. Varejao is replaceable, they could have gone out and get some one better to any other spot. Oh well :rolleyes:

[Lebron23]

Cavs just got f***ed. How do you pay him that kinda money. Varejao is replaceable, they could have gone out and get some one better to any other spot. Oh well :rolleyes:


Ferry thinks that Varejao is the next Charles Oakley.


:oldlol: :lol :oldlol:

[lil_miketaylor]

What a waste of money. Worst than Chris Mullin giving those big contracts to Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy a few years ago SMH

[Scottish Pippen]

OMG!!! Couldn't they have signed David Lee for the same money? I am not even much of a fan of Lee, but c'mon! 50 mill in 6 for Varejao? this guy will never even put up 10 ppg on a team with a decent offense, that's a very expensive flopping righ there!

Cleveland is really struggling to recruit decent players. They probably tried to overpay Sheed and Dice as well to convince them, maybe even Odom. I am confused, I can't remember a contender that finds that many difficulties to sign free agents. Either Ferry is a moron or Lebron is packing after next summer. :confusedshrug:

[mrhoopfan]

One of my least favorite NBA players

[Butters]

Dude is getting paid 500k a flop.:roll:

[Cavs2007Champs]

This is a great deal for the Cavs. Varejao is such an integral piece to this.... errrrr





F It. Just F it.



At least our roster is pretty much set. That's a positive right? :confusedshrug:

[iamgine]

Why don't Cavs fans like Varejao? He hustle, he flops, he rebounds, he doesn't need the ball, his shot %age are good, and he get under people's skin. I thought I see the second coming of Bruce Bowen when I see him play.

[Reikon]

How did this **** happen?!:mad: Flopajao isn't worth more then 6 mil. a year. This destroys Cavs' chances at the championship. Is Matt Barnes still available? And can they still sign a good PF?:wtf:

[R.I.P.]

Nobody that is an offensive liability deserves to be paid more than the MLE.

[mamba24]

Well the cavs have a rich owner...if they can afford to pay varejao 8.3 mill a year over a 6 year period...who am i to call them out...

However i think they should get Big baby davis...from the celts...not only to take depth away but to add depth to the cavs..

they have lost on Ariza, Artest, didnt want Marion, Rasheed went to the celts and Mcdyess is now with the spurs...

the only remaining option are Glen Davis, Brandon Bass and Channing Frye....in that order...so time for the cavs to get one unless they have used up the mid level.

[Lebron23]

Why don't Cavs fans like Varejao? He hustle, he flops, he rebounds, he doesn't need the ball, his shot %age are good, and he get under people's skin. I thought I see the second coming of Bruce Bowen when I see him play.


Just what R.I.P said Varejao is an offensive liability. I couldn't see him average more than 10 ppg, and 9 rpg in his best season in the NBA.

Cavs management should enroll Varejao in Pete Newell's Big Man Camp if Andy wants to improve his offensive game.

:violin: :violin: :violin:

[Doranku]

Dude is getting paid 500k a flop.:roll:

He'd be pulling in 10 mil a night if that were the case. :lol

[nev3rh00d]

Why big players are being overpaid in NBA so badly?

[mamba24]

Why big players are being overpaid in NBA so badly?

because they are big...the bigger you are the higher you get paid...the smaller you are the less you get paid...

thats why spudd webb was earning a salary of 15 dollars a night..:roll:

the pay scale depends on alot of factors..

1) what your weight is
2) are you athletic or do you fall easily

thats why eddy curry is getting 11 mill a year...coz he weighs around 300 pounds+

thats why shaq is getting 20 mill a year he is nearly 400 pounds i believe

lets make it simple...when you go to the butcher to buy meat you pay by weight...same logic.

[lazerface]

i gotta agree with most of the people in this thread, bad move. he's definitely not worth more than 7 mil a year. he got over on us.

[Meticode]

Why don't Cavs fans like Varejao? He hustle, he flops, he rebounds, he doesn't need the ball, his shot %age are good, and he get under people's skin. I thought I see the second coming of Bruce Bowen when I see him play.

I actually like him a lot, but he still doesn't change the fact that he's getting overpaid. For how much he hustles and everything he's still only worth a MLE. If you take the hustle and energy away he's barely a $1 million player.

[Meticode]

2009-10 Unofficial Roster

C- Shaquille O'Neal - 7'1"
F- Anderson Varejao - 6'11"
F- LeBron James - 6'9"
G- Anthony Parker - 6'6"
G- Mo Williams - 6'1"

Bench

C- Zydrunas Ilgauskas - 7'3"
PF- Darnel Jackson - 6'9"
PF- JJ Hickson - 6'9"
SF- Danny Green - 6'6"
SG- Daniel Gibson - 6'2"
PG- Delonte West - 6'3"

LeBron is 6'9" now? Is he also 280LBS now? :lol

[Dr. Dunk]

definitely overpaid.

[Interminator]

LeBron is 6'9" now? Is he also 280LBS now? :lol
Some said he was 272 lbs last season, nonetheless hes still a freak athlete.

[Meticode]

Some said he was 272 lbs last season, nonetheless hes still a freak athlete.

Yes, can you guess who it was who said this? The homer LeBron network of ESPN. When LeBron did an interview later in the season he say he was between 250 and 260. I think it was the 60 Minutes interview.

[Interminator]

I saw this title before I went to work, I knew not to post because Cavs fans would share their grief.

Varejao's contract is eventually going to become an anchor on their roster and force Cleveland to have to use a different route to make moves to improve.

Varejao has set the precedent for guys like Lee & Millsap, the problem is that both IMO are better than Varejao who lives off of being a hustle player and coming into the game with great energy.

[triangleoffense]

Its funny watching history repeat itself, over and over again.

[Meticode]

Its funny watching history repeat itself, over and over again.

Welcome to human beings since day one.

[Interminator]

Yes, can you guess who it was who said this? The homer LeBron network of ESPN. When LeBron did an interview later in the season he say he was between 250 and 260. I think it was the 60 Minutes interview.
Thats still ridiculous for a SF, I think thats why his homer fans make believe stories that LeBron can play PF or C.

It takes a lot more than just size to play in the post in the NBA, even Garnett who was a skinny strong athlete had amazing footwork and an unguardable fadaway.

[Meticode]

Thats still ridiculous for a SF, I think thats why his homer fans make believe stories that LeBron can play PF or C.

It takes a lot more than just size to play in the post in the NBA, even Garnett who was a skinny strong athlete had amazing footwork and an unguardable fadaway.

A lot of people forget Garnett played SF for some odd years in the league before switching to PF.

[bagelred]

It's not so much the money (although it is too much per year), it's more the years. Why was it necessary to give him 6 years? If you want to overpay, why not just 4 years? His contract is so long he's going to be untradeable for a while.

Also, who were they competing against? Was anyone going to offer him more than the MLE? No? Then why did Cavaliers have to blow away Anderson with such a big offer? Strange.......


EDIT: I now read its only $42 million, not $50. A lot better. Still alot of years but now at least its in the realm of what he's worth. Not great, but better.

[niko]

This is where the Lebron uncertainty hurts Cleveland. They can't play hardball, becaues then he might leave (he's unrestricted) which would have put them a forward short on the season they are trying to impress Lebron. They have to be a now team in all aspects as much as possible.

[John Smith]

Wow, that's worse than Barn Yani :lol

[bisk]

Deservedly so.
A couple of hundred k per offensive foul drawn, that's all we ask. :ohwell:

[LA_Showtime]

Wow, that's a lot of money for a role player. Dan Fegan is a genius.

Stupid deals like this keep pushing Lamar Odom's pricetag up. Great.

[Bigsmoke]

is he really that good. i know he's a great rebounder but damn lol

[Clifton]

When you've got a guy who's an important part of your team, who you can't replace because of salary cap constraints and a lack of tradeable pieces, you do whatever it takes to keep that player. He's getting 8 and a half mil a year. That's too much. But when you've got a group of guys who can win a title, you keep 'em together.

Anderson V is a HUGE part of this Cavs team. He's what makes it all work. They overpaid but it's not a bad signing. They should have gotten him for 40. It's like they wanted a car and offered to pay a thousand more than the asking price cause they were afraid someone else would swoop in and take it. Nobody's going to swoop in to take Anderson for more than the MLE, so just offer him a little more than the MLE.

Orlando did the same thing with Rashard Lewis. Great signing, but they could have easily had him for much much less. They had no competition and they acted like they did. Weird.

But Shard was a great signing and a perfect fit and so is Anderson so you can't complain too much.

[Killbot]

Cleveland dug itself a hole. :oldlol:

[Black Joker]

Cleveland dug itself a hole. :oldlol:
sigh... no way he'll live up to that contract, but now i just hope he continues to improve, even a little

[magnax1]

People say this is a dumb@ss move, but they really need this guy. They wouldn't have won 60 games without him last year, and wouldn't win 60 without him this year.

[phoenix18]

50 what???:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: I wouldnt pay him 15 million. Why didnt they go after Gortat if they had all that money?

[1~Gibson~1]

50 what???:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: I wouldnt pay him 15 million. Why didnt they go after Gortat if they had all that money?
we dont have Gortats bird rights.

[LA.MJ&KB#1]

Wow, that's a lot of money for a role player. Dan Fegan is a genius.

Stupid deals like this keep pushing Lamar Odom's pricetag up. Great.

LA_Showtime I guess we will have to pay LO..Thanks Cavs

[Kingwillball]

maybe AV was a little overpaid but it isn't as bad as alot of people are making it if they read the fine print on contract.

Secondly,If the Cavs get Gerald Wallace in a Rumored Trade for Wally and Hickson than they become the team to beat next season. Your Adding Shaq,Parker and Wallace to a 66 team last season and not giving up any significant players in return. They also may get Frye with rest of MLE.

[phoenix18]

we dont have Gortats bird rights.
Okay. I dont know what that means but, 50 million??? You could have gotten Turkoglu,Artest,Ariza,Odom,Bass,Kleiza,Fyre,Milsap ,Price. Why would you sign Varejao? That is a epic fail.

[Kingwillball]

Okay. I dont know what that means but, 50 million??? You could have gotten Turkoglu,Artest,Ariza,Odom,Bass,Kleiza,Fyre,Milsap ,Price. Why would you sign Varejao? That is a epic fail.


No they couldn't they could have only used MLE on any of those players. Andy cause he was already on the team was the only on the could give more too.

[phoenix18]

No they couldn't they could have only used MLE on any of those players. Andy cause he was already on the team was the only on the could give more too.
I really need to learn about the salary cap. You are saying that because Andy was already on the team, they could give him 50 mil but no else?

[Killbot]

sigh... no way he'll live up to that contract, but now i just hope he continues to improve, even a little

I'm sure he can improve. Shaq will punish him if he doesn't.

[imlmf]

WTF is with the cavs' obsession with that mop head, does he and danny ferry have some gay affair or something?

[niko]

maybe AV was a little overpaid but it isn't as bad as alot of people are making it if they read the fine print on contract.

Secondly,If the Cavs get Gerald Wallace in a Rumored Trade for Wally and Hickson than they become the team to beat next season. Your Adding Shaq,Parker and Wallace to a 66 team last season and not giving up any significant players in return. They also may get Frye with rest of MLE.
Wally is not on your team. Where is that rumor from, your house?

[jjayfive]

that's a lot of money for a energy guy who can't create his own shot....

[Kingwillball]

I really need to learn about the salary cap. You are saying that because Andy was already on the team, they could give him 50 mil but no else?


Basically yeah...or the Cavs would have a player like Charlie V,Artest,or Ariza already signed.

[Kingwillball]

Wally is not on your team. Where is that rumor from, your house?


Nope it is all over Cavs message boards and Hoops World. It would be a Sign and Trade with Wally,plus Hickson and Gibson. I also heard Bobcats wanted West back and the Cavs would also get Diaw.

[DKLaker]

WOW!!!!!!! What a completely stupid overpayment!!!!!! And long term????
WTF!!!!!!!!

[1~Gibson~1]

I got this from another site but he isnt getting 50 million guarenteed.


The contract is 6 years, 42.5 million dollars. The 6th and final year is not guranteed...a-la Jerry Stackhouse and Sasha Pavlovic. It has the potential to become $50 million dollars based off of unknown incentives.

As it stands, a 5 year MLE deal with maximum raises is worth 34 million dollars, if a 6th year were allowed in MLE contracts, the raise in the 6th year would put it at 6 years, and you guessed it, 42.5 million dollars.

So, the Cavs signed Anderson Varejao to a full mid-level contract(with 8% raises), and because of his bird rights, added an extra year that is only partially guaranteed. There are also INCENTIVES in his contract where his performance can increase his contract's total worth to 50 million dollars, but they are just that, incentives.

Now, you can view it as spin, but check my math. The numbers are right there. Anderson Varejao got a mid-level contract(which most people said he was worth) with 8% raises and incentives which could turn it into a bigger than mid-level contract.

[Kingwillball]

Oh the incentives for AV is basically making the all star gm all 6 years to make 50 Mil. So basically 6 yrs 42 Million is what he is getting

[niko]

Nope it is all over Cavs message boards and Hoops World. It would be a Sign and Trade with Wally,plus Hickson and Gibson. I also heard Bobcats wanted West back and the Cavs would also get Diaw.
OOH, Hoops world. That's like 3 steps up from a kindergarten classroom. I don't see the Cavs creating $10 million additional in contracts for themselves for an oft injured forward. :confusedshrug: Sorry.

[1~Gibson~1]

Oh the incentives for AV is basically making the all star gm all 6 years to make 50 Mil. So basically 6 yrs 42 Million is what he is getting
lol hopefully

[1~Gibson~1]

OOH, Hoops world. That's like 3 steps up from a kindergarten classroom. I don't see the Cavs creating $10 million additional in contracts for themselves for an oft injured forward. :confusedshrug: Sorry.
You dont SEE anything for the Cavs :rolleyes:

Any/every move we make is bad.

[niko]

You dont SEE anything for the Cavs :rolleyes:

Any/every move we make is bad.

No, i like the Varajeo signing. I was always saying you should sign him. Your own fans were wanting to lowball him that he wasn't important. and i said i like the Shaq signing IF you followed it up with other moves because it wasn't a good move BY itself. And the CV speculation (which you were totally in love with) was terrible and just because all the cav fans agreed once you didn't get him doesn't make me wrong. Frye is another spastic target. 1 dimensional guys are not what the Cavs need. Bangers, players who are not afraid to get their hands dirty, and if you must have only one skill, make it cold blooded shooting.

It's not my fault all the Cavs fans want the team to chase retards. :confusedshrug:

So let me guess, you think the team is going to create a $10 million slot for of all people Gerald Wallace? Because Hoopsworld said so?

[niko]

BTW, i pretty much disagree with every speculated knick signing or trade this offseason, there are just less knick fans to bash me there. :pimp:

[1~Gibson~1]

No, i like the Varajeo signing. I was always saying you should sign him. Your own fans were wanting to lowball him that he wasn't important. and i said i like the Shaq signing IF you followed it up with other moves because it wasn't a good move BY itself. And the CV speculation (which you were totally in love with) was terrible and just because all the cav fans agreed once you didn't get him doesn't make me wrong. Frye is another spastic target. 1 dimensional guys are not what the Cavs need. Bangers, players who are not afraid to get their hands dirty, and if you must have only one skill, make it cold blooded shooting.

It's not my fault all the Cavs fans want the team to chase retards. :confusedshrug:

So let me guess, you think the team is going to create a $10 million slot for of all people Gerald Wallace? Because Hoopsworld said so?
no. i like G-Force and i wouldnt mind getting him but i dont think it'll happen. and we're not chasing retards, when you have Shaq as your center, you need shooters around him THAT'S why we wanted/needed Charlie V and Channing Frye. You're not always going to find/get the perfect player or the player you want.

[niko]

no. i like G-Force and i wouldnt mind getting him but i dont think it'll happen. and we're not chasing retards, when you have Shaq as your center, you need shooters around him THAT'S why we wanted/needed Charlie V and Channing Frye. You're not always going to find/get the perfect player or the player you want.

Charlie V is not a shooter, he's a scorer. He needs volume and he doesn't play well off the ball. He needs the ball. YOu want someone to be this cold blooded assasin when lebron gets double teamed and drops it off. THat's not Charlie V.

I don't think big contracts attached to often injured guys are what the cavs need. If the cavs are willing to do what you say (which is create a lot of salary because of the tax) then i don't see how you spend it on someone who is always 1 play away from his season ending. THINK BIGGER.

[1~Gibson~1]

Charlie V is not a shooter, he's a scorer. He needs volume and he doesn't play well off the ball. He needs the ball. YOu want someone to be this cold blooded assasin when lebron gets double teamed and drops it off. THat's not Charlie V.

I don't think big contracts attached to often injured guys are what the cavs need. If the cavs are willing to do what you say (which is create a lot of salary because of the tax) then i don't see how you spend it on someone who is always 1 play away from his season ending. THINK BIGGER.
:banghead: he can shoot and that was the only thing that really mattered. as long as he spaced the floor for shaq he'd be good here, but he's in detroit now instead :confusedshrug:

EVERY player is 1 play away from their season ending. but neways, right now we need a jumpshooting PF and Channing Frye is available so i hope we get him. Good day niko.

[beasted86]

Nope it is all over Cavs message boards and Hoops World. It would be a Sign and Trade with Wally,plus Hickson and Gibson. I also heard Bobcats wanted West back and the Cavs would also get Diaw.
Sit down and really think about that... and then tell me if the Bobcats would really give up those pieces considering they just drafted another guard in the first round.

I know your a fan, but can you be that gullible?

[niko]

:banghead: he can shoot and that was the only thing that really mattered. as long as he spaced the floor for shaq he'd be good here, but he's in detroit now instead :confusedshrug:

EVERY player is 1 play away from their season ending. but neways, right now we need a jumpshooting PF and Channing Frye is available so i hope we get him. Good day niko.

I don't apoligize for thinking the Cavs should sign players based on what they can do, not what you want them to evolve into. The Charlie V thread was high comedy, talking about him becoming a great defender and rebounded, etc. :no:

If you want a good jump shooting forward who likes to play away from the basket on both offense and defense, Frye is great. If you want a banger, defensive minded forward, then he's not. Thje difference between me and you is i'll say "good they got a shooter" and you'll say "they got a shooter and now our coaching staff will change him into this all purpose force"

[1~Gibson~1]

I don't apoligize for thinking the Cavs should sign players based on what they can do, not what you want them to evolve into. The Charlie V thread was high comedy, talking about him becoming a great defender and rebounded, etc. :no:

If you want a good jump shooting forward who likes to play away from the basket on both offense and defense, Frye is great. If you want a banger, defensive minded forward, then he's not. Thje difference between me and you is i'll say "good they got a shooter" and you'll say "they got a shooter and now our coaching staff will change him into this all purpose force"
no i've never said that. the only thing i've said close to that was MB and Malone would probably show him a thing or two on defense and hide him on the defensive end with Shaq. "all purpose force" :no: that's just some bull**** over-exaggerated **** you just came up with.

[Kingwillball]

Sit down and really think about that... and then tell me if the Bobcats would really give up those pieces considering they just drafted another guard in the first round.

I know your a fan, but can you be that gullible?


I am not making this stuff up..I am just reporting what I have been reading today. There has to be some smoke t this fire for it to get started but still would be surprised if anything came of it.

[niko]

no i've never said that. the only thing i've said close to that was MB and Malone would probably show him a thing or two on defense and hide him on the defensive end with Shaq. "all purpose force" :no: that's just some bull**** over-exaggerated **** you just came up with.

:rant Lebron watching Charlie V play defense if they signed him.

:hammertime: Lebron watching Charlie V play defense on Pistons.

[flintstone]

:rant Lebron watching Charlie V play defense if they signed him.

:hammertime: Lebron watching Charlie V play defense on Pistons.


Like you know anything about what Charlie V can and can't do...your a joke :oldlol:

The guy is young, and has spent almost all his time with the Bucks....he may step up big time, now that he's with the Pistons.

A little info I found:

"Villanueva played at least 30 minutes in 29 games last season. His averages in those 29 games: 23.1 points, 9.0 rebounds, 36 minutes. The rebound numbers especially impressed me, because when his team has the ball, Villanueva spends a lot of time on the perimeter, and it is hard to rebound from there.



By comparison: Toronto star Chris Bosh averaged 22.7 points and 10.0 rebounds in 38 minutes last season".

[sixer6ad]

WOW!!!!!!! What a completely stupid overpayment!!!!!! And long term????
WTF!!!!!!!!

It's utterly amazing what is written on here. I thank the Good Lord that the NBA execs are in their positions and could care less about forums and fan input. Who has really broken down this AV contract and really thought about it? There really is an 80 percent chance that this signing works out for the Cavaliers. All of these things could or have happened with this deal:

1) This turns into a sign and trade and the Cavs land another player whom they believe will help them win the title.
2) Varejo signs a big deal, but next year - the big year of 2010 - AV makes only 7 million dollars. In essence, he realized the need next summer and makes probably around what he should make.
3) AV and LBJ are tight - extremely tight. Andy is either getting traded and took the pay increase to do it or LBJ is staying. Believe me...LBJ was involved in this deal.
4) AV becomes the great role player that every championship team needs...you know the player everyone hates until he becomes a part of your team. If he played for your team you all would love the diving on the floor, the relentless pursuit of the offensive rebound and the sacrificing of his body.
5) None of the above is remotely true and AV steals money from the league for the next 6 years.

What else could happen? 4 of these 5 possibilities are good for the Cavs. Overpaid? You bet. However...don't be fooled. 6-year contracts do not happen in Cleveland this summer without input from the King.

[beasly15]

talk about a bank robbery.

it's the year of the scrubs getting paid.:wtf:

[Lebron23]

The Gerald Wallace to the Cleveland Cavaliers Trade Rumor is F*cking true.


One rumor floating around had the Cavs sending guard/forward Wally Szczerbiak and forward/center J.J. Hickson to Charlotte for forward Gerald Wallace in a sign-and-trade.

The Cavs hold Hickson in high regard, but Wallace is a stud defender. He also has four years and almost $40 million left on his contract. The Cavs might not want to take on that kind of contract with 2010 looming. That’s one reason it might not add up.

http://www.morningjournal.com/articles/2009/07/09/sports/mj1308110.txt

[Kingwillball]

Thanks for Posting Wallace Trade Rumor cause I was sik of defending myself like I just made it up out of the blue.

[niko]

Like you know anything about what Charlie V can and can't do...your a joke :oldlol:

The guy is young, and has spent all his time with the Bucks....he may step up big time, now that he's with the Pistons.

A little info I found:

"Villanueva played at least 30 minutes in 29 games last season. His averages in those 29 games: 23.1 points, 9.0 rebounds, 36 minutes. The rebound numbers especially impressed me, because when his team has the ball, Villanueva spends a lot of time on the perimeter, and it is hard to rebound from there.



By comparison: Toronto star Chris Bosh averaged 22.7 points and 10.0 rebounds in 38 minutes last season".

He's a great talent, but he's a flighty guy. If you listen to him talk about how he grew up, etc. you can see why. He's not interested in being a great defender or rebounded. He is a good talent who is going to put up great numbers on teams that don't win a lot. If he is a 16-10 guy on a 50 win piston team and he plays some D, i'll apoligize. But he won't be.

[D-Rose]

I don't get why Charlotte would sign Wally for about 10 mill even if it is one year to dump Gerald Wallace. Who are they going to lure to come there in 2010? They obviously would have better offers on the table I'd imagine.

[Black Joker]

No turth to Gerald Wallace rumors. Cavs used part of mid-level for A. Parker. Two years, $6 million.Team has part of MLE, BAE exception left

Brian Windhorst in regards to the rumored G-Wallace Trade.

fyi

[boozehound]

The Gerald Wallace to the Cleveland Cavaliers Trade Rumor is F*cking true.



http://www.morningjournal.com/articles/2009/07/09/sports/mj1308110.txt
what, its true that its a rumor? Of course its a rumor, what else would it be. Just because a newspaper reports some rumor (without alluding to any inside sources) doesnt mean its not just some dumb pipedream thought up by fans.

[niko]

The Gerald Wallace to the Cleveland Cavaliers Trade Rumor is F*cking true.



http://www.morningjournal.com/articles/2009/07/09/sports/mj1308110.txt

ITS A ****ING TRUE RUMOR!!!

that's hillarious. there are a thousand of these out all the time. this particular one just doesn't even sound right. Cavs creating a $10 million salary slot to acquire not a superstar but Gerald Wallace?

[Hopper15]

Damn this makes the Maggette signings look decent. How the hell did this flopper with no offensive game get over 40 mil.

[Hopper15]

I really need to learn about the salary cap. You are saying that because Andy was already on the team, they could give him 50 mil but no else?

If your under the salary cap you can sign a FA for over 6 mil. If your over the Salary Cap you can only use the Mid Level Exception which is only about 5.8 mil.

Bird rights are when you've had a player under contract for 2 or more years and then you can exceed the salary cap to hand out a long term deal to (Varejao)that player.

[All Net]

Lebron has got to be wondering "this is how you are going to re-sign me"

[1~Gibson~1]

If your under the salary cap you can sign a FA for over 6 mil. If your over the Salary Cap you can only use the Mid Level Exception which is only about 5.8 mil.

Bird rights are when you've had a player under contract for 2 or more years and then you can exceed the salary cap to hand out a long term deal to (Varejao)that player.
when you're under the cap you can sign a player for how much ever you're under + the MLE. when you're over you can only use the MLE (which is around 5.8 million) and sometimes the BAE (bia-anual exception) which is around 2 million.

And you get a players bird rights when they're on a team for 3 years not two.

[1~Gibson~1]

And for all of the Laker fans that continue to troll

Andy was signed to a 42.5/6yr. deal ($7.083 million per) and the last year wasnt guarenteed. He only gets 50 million if he reaches unsaid incentives.

So if you wanna get technical, he actually took a paycut in terms of guarenteed $$$ but he'll probably get a little more than 42.5 in the end.

[T-bomb 25]

And for all of the Laker fans that continue to troll

Andy was signed to a 42.5/6yr. deal ($7.083 million per) and the last year wasnt guarenteed. He only gets 50 million if he reaches unsaid incentives.

So if you wanna get technical, he actually took a paycut in terms of guarenteed $$$ but he'll probably get a little more than 42.5 in the end.Even 42 mil is to much for this guy,I vote for him being the most overpaid in the league,Wow the Cavs are for sure not going anywhere now,Lebrons probably been throwing up every since he's heard about this.

[1~Gibson~1]

Even 42 mil is to much for this guy,I vote for him being the most overpaid in the league,Wow the Cavs are for sure not going anywhere now,Lebrons probably been throwing up every since he's heard about this.
no it's not. hell thats less than he made last year :rolleyes:

[unknown101]

Why would you bid against yourself. Easily worst contract in the league now.


T-mac = highest paid player in league

at least andy will play
next year when t-mac expires then you got worst contract in nba

[boozehound]

when you're under the cap you can sign a player for how much ever you're under + the MLE. when you're over you can only use the MLE (which is around 5.8 million) and sometimes the BAE (bia-anual exception) which is around 2 million.

And you get a players bird rights when they're on a team for 3 years not two.
if you are under the cap you can use the MLE or your cap space (so if you were 4 mil under the cap you would use the MLE) BUT NEVER BOTH. YOU DONT GET CAP SPACE AND THE MLE

[momo]

He's into that sorta thing?
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