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RocketGreatness
07-08-2009, 11:34 PM
I am telling you guys right now Mo Williams is as overrated as it gets. If it weren't for the Cavs whining about Mo not getting in, he would've never made the all-star team. He would've had no chance in hell to make the team.

Here are reasons why Stuckey is better than Mo

I'd rather have Rodney who plays with balls offensively then Mo who shrinks in the spotlight come playoff time and takes a bunch of jumpers.

Stuckey rose as the star in the 2008 playoffs vs the Magic
Mo shrunk in the spotlight in the 2009 playoffs vs the Magic

It's that simple and that is why Stuckey is superior to Mo. Stuckey is an underrated prospect, while Mo is an overrated player. If Steve Kerr were playing along side LeBron James you guys would also think he was an amazing 2nd option.

http://www.pistonscast.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/stuckeypic.jpg
http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt105/deaconfrost21/mo.jpg

BallersTalk
07-08-2009, 11:41 PM
He might be a better player. But Mo's a better fit on the Cavs.

Snoop_Cat
07-09-2009, 12:09 AM
Not to mention Mo Williams has dumb tattoos and looks like a whiny b*tch while Rodney Stuckey looks like 50Cent which is totally badass

darius15
07-09-2009, 12:31 AM
Not to mention Mo Williams has dumb tattoos and looks like a whiny b*tch while Rodney Stuckey looks like 50Cent which is totally badass

LOL yeah he does look kinda like 50. Although Nate Robinson still holds the 50 Cent look-a-like crown.:lol

poido123
07-09-2009, 12:34 AM
:Picard :

Thread goes nowhere...

:tumbleweed :

GOON MUSIC
07-09-2009, 12:58 AM
LOL yeah he does look kinda like 50. Although Nate Robinson still holds the 50 Cent look-a-like crown.:lol

nate dont look like curtis

http://fansided.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/50stuckey.jpg

http://dimemag.com/wp-content/Images/players/Robinson_Nate/Nate%20Robinson%2029-1.jpg

embersyc
07-09-2009, 08:11 AM
http://fansided.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/50stuckey.jpg


This is why Sheed came up with the nicknames "Young 50" and "Curtis Jackson Jr." for Rodney.

Butters
07-09-2009, 08:24 AM
I agree.Mo got very hyped up and then the all star game but meh,he's just another average pg.stuckey>mo

23ajay
07-09-2009, 08:29 AM
mo=stuckey

triangleoffense
07-09-2009, 08:29 AM
Yea Stuckey is a beast. I like this kid.

Meticode
07-09-2009, 09:09 AM
Mo was the better player last season, but Stuckey has the better talent to be a way better point guard. I think this season Stuckey will pass Mo as the better player and point guard. Stuckey has the talent to shoot near 50%, 17points, 5 rebs, 6 assists or probably better.

gotbacon23
07-09-2009, 09:14 AM
http://dimemag.com/wp-content/Images/players/Robinson_Nate/Nate%20Robinson%2029-1.jpg

whats up with nate robinson's skin? does he have vitiligo (same thing that michael jackson had)?

Meticode
07-09-2009, 09:17 AM
whats up with nate robinson's skin? does he have vitiligo (same thing that michael jackson had)?

He probably got shot 9 times like Curtis Jackson.

plowking
07-09-2009, 09:19 AM
whats up with nate robinson's skin? does he have vitiligo (same thing that michael jackson had)?

Don't worry, they're just tats. They don't grow.


Jks, I see what you mean.

embersyc
07-09-2009, 09:20 AM
Obviously right now Stuckey has a problem with consistancy, he is liable to drop 30+ and totally dominate a game then be ineffective for the next two weeks. I think that he has only played about a season and a half, and only been a regular starter for the portion of a season has limited his effectiveness. Especially after teams started guarding him like he was the number one option.

Hopefully coming into this season, knowing he is going to be the starter and play a lot of minutes will propel his game to that next level, and I don't think to many teams are going to leave Ben Gordon standing wide open behind the 3, so hopefully they won't be able to double on Rodney as much.

Meticode
07-09-2009, 09:30 AM
Obviously right now Stuckey has a problem with consistancy, he is liable to drop 30+ and totally dominate a game then be ineffective for the next two weeks. I think that he has only played about a season and a half, and only been a regular starter for the portion of a season has limited his effectiveness. Especially after teams started guarding him like he was the number one option.

Hopefully coming into this season, knowing he is going to be the starter and play a lot of minutes will propel his game to that next level, and I don't think to many teams are going to leave Ben Gordon standing wide open behind the 3, so hopefully they won't be able to double on Rodney as much.

That's his biggest weakness I noticed last season. He's an exceptional defender, he could be a top 5 PG in the league some day possibly, but he's really got to pick his game up and be more consistent. In some of the Pistons games I watched last season he would just disappear in the offense. This might be because of his lack of a jump shot. One he's one of the best attacking point guards in the league already.

embersyc
07-09-2009, 09:43 AM
A big part of the problem is he needs the ball in his hands to be effective and he had to try and set up Rip and AI all year long. Now AI is gone... oh we replaced him with Ben Gordon? :banghead:

AAD
07-09-2009, 09:55 AM
but ben gordon is no iverson he will help stuckey's game a lot with his outside shooting

Godfather
07-09-2009, 10:12 AM
Right now Mo Williams is a better offensive player and Stuckey is a better defensive one.

There were stretches last year where Stuckey looked like an all star, but bad coaching and personal inconsistency got the better of him.

It would not surprise me if Stuckey is better than Mo next year. Mo is a one dimensional player and has a low ceiling.

1~Gibson~1
07-09-2009, 10:28 AM
:roll:

sergiorodriguez
07-09-2009, 10:32 AM
Mo Williams is an average PG in a talent starved conference, he is not a good second option, yes Stuckey is better than him, so what its not like they'll ever change places

RocketGreatness
07-09-2009, 11:14 AM
Mo Williams is an average PG in a talent starved conference, he is not a good second option, yes Stuckey is better than him, so what its not like they'll ever change places
Did anybody ever said they would idiot? :rolleyes:


He might be a better player. But Mo's a better fit on the Cavs.
Yes, because any one-dimensional shooter can fit in well with a passer like LeBron James. Stuckey is better.....


Not to mention Mo Williams has dumb tattoos and looks like a whiny b*tch while Rodney Stuckey looks like 50Cent which is totally badass
:pimp:


Obviously right now Stuckey has a problem with consistancy, he is liable to drop 30+ and totally dominate a game then be ineffective for the next two weeks. I think that he has only played about a season and a half, and only been a regular starter for the portion of a season has limited his effectiveness. Especially after teams started guarding him like he was the number one option.

Hopefully coming into this season, knowing he is going to be the starter and play a lot of minutes will propel his game to that next level, and I don't think to many teams are going to leave Ben Gordon standing wide open behind the 3, so hopefully they won't be able to double on Rodney as much.
Another problem with Stuckey is that he does not finish that well compared to other guys. However, I have been talking to Piston fans and they frequently say that when he slashes to the basket he often times gets fouled but doesn't get the benefit of the doubt on the call. Not sure if that's true or not though. I do like Stuckey and I already do think he's better than Mo Williams. Do you think he is better than Mo as well?


A big part of the problem is he needs the ball in his hands to be effective and he had to try and set up Rip and AI all year long. Now AI is gone... oh we replaced him with Ben Gordon? :banghead:
BG is a player that can play off the ball like Rip Hamilton he doesn't create his own shot off the dribble that frequently compared to Allen Iverson.


Mo was the better player last season, but Stuckey has the better talent to be a way better point guard. I think this season Stuckey will pass Mo as the better player and point guard. Stuckey has the talent to shoot near 50%, 17points, 5 rebs, 6 assists or probably better.
You think this guy had anything to do with why Mo had the better season?

http://www.jlcauvin.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/lebron-james-cavaliers.jpg
:confusedshrug:

EricGordon23
07-09-2009, 11:22 AM
I agree Stuckey is better but Eric Gordon will have a better career then both of those point guards.

embersyc
07-09-2009, 11:23 AM
I know I'd take LeBron and Mo over Stuckey and any three current Pistons.

Alan
07-09-2009, 12:35 PM
You think this guy had anything to do with why Mo had the better season?

http://www.jlcauvin.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/lebron-james-cavaliers.jpg
:confusedshrug:

Ofc he had something to do with it, but you should also see what Williams was doing before LeBron.

07/08 Bucks 17,2PPG 6,3AST 3,5RPG 48% fg 39% 3pt
08/09 Cavs 17,8PPG 4,1AST 3,4RPG 47% fg 44% 4pt

Lebron23
07-09-2009, 12:45 PM
Mo Williams is still better than Rodney Stuckey. Williams actually outplayed Stuckey in the First Round of the playoffs.

RocketGreatness
07-09-2009, 12:51 PM
Ofc he had something to do with it, but you should also see what Williams was doing before LeBron.

07/08 Bucks 17,2PPG 6,3AST 3,5RPG 48% fg 39% 3pt
08/09 Cavs 17,8PPG 4,1AST 3,4RPG 47% fg 44% 4pt
Yeah maybe if his team actually won games you would have a point but they were lottery bound. All said and done, Mo Williams is another nobody without a superstar.

Rodney Suckey>Hoe Williams


Mo Williams is still better than Rodney Stuckey. Williams actually outplayed Stuckey in the First Round of the playoffs.
Yeah again, too bad Mo plays with LeBron while Stuckey plays with......Rip Hamilton? :oldlol:

Why don't you look at what they did against the Magic. 2008 playoffs, Stuckey showed up and rose as a star, Mo Williams shrunk and choked in the 2009 playoffs vs the Magic.

Fact....Stuckey is clutch while Mo is a choker.

Alan
07-09-2009, 12:56 PM
Yeah maybe if his team actually won games you would have a point but they were lottery bound. All said and done, Mo Williams is another nobody without a superstar.

Rodney Suckey>Hoe Williams




Last time I checked he played with AI. And btw, shouldn't it help Stuckey's case when he hasn't got any better players beside him to limit his productivity?

And you got that Suckey part right :oldlol:

1~Gibson~1
07-09-2009, 12:56 PM
Yeah maybe if his team actually won games you would have a point but they were lottery bound. All said and done, Mo Williams is another nobody without a superstar.

Rodney Suckey>Hoe Williams


Yeah again, too bad Mo plays with LeBron while Stuckey plays with......Rip Hamilton? :oldlol:

Why don't you look at what they did against the Magic. 2008 playoffs, Stuckey showed up and rose as a star, Mo Williams shrunk and choked in the 2009 playoffs vs the Magic.

Fact....Stuckey is clutch while Mo is a choker.
too bad you keep looking at one series and basing their entire careers off of it :violin:

magnax1
07-09-2009, 12:58 PM
I agree that stuckey is a little better than Mo, just because of the way he plays. And hes got some realy potential to put up some stats like 24points-8assists-5rebounds.

Alan
07-09-2009, 01:11 PM
Allen Iverson? :oldlol: That shows you how great Stuckey is, that he can still get some stats despite playing with a cancerous ball-stopper.



According to ISH, LeBron is the biggest ballhog alive.

1~Gibson~1
07-09-2009, 01:13 PM
Allen Iverson? :oldlol: That shows you how great Stuckey is, that he can still get some stats despite playing with a cancerous ball-stopper.


True, but slashing PGs > Jump shooting PGs

Gibson>Mo.
:oldlol:

phoenix18
07-09-2009, 01:14 PM
Stuckey is not that good.

T-bomb 25
07-09-2009, 02:07 PM
Right now Mo Williams is a better offensive player and Stuckey is a better defensive one.

There were stretches last year where Stuckey looked like an all star, but bad coaching and personal inconsistency got the better of him.

It would not surprise me if Stuckey is better than Mo next year. Mo is a one dimensional player and has a low ceiling.This,he's not really a PG,I thought that Cleveland got him to help Lebron create and to take some preasure of him which he clearly didnt do in the playoffs,which i thought he could'nt do coming from the Bucks with Redd who is similar to Lebron in the fact that he thrives having the ball in his hands.Mo Williams is a more athletic version of B.J. Armstrong,which is not really a PG,but a shooter just listed at that position really nothing more,Stuckey is way better talent and a future star,he will benefit from having Ben Gordon.

T-bomb 25
07-09-2009, 02:15 PM
too bad you keep looking at one series and basing their entire careers off of it :violin:To bad your not looking at it right either,Mo Williams stats are inflated he averaged 6.3 assists with the Bucks manly kicking it to Redd for jumpers when Redd wasnt dominating the ball because Mo was incapable of being a real creator.Now with Lebron you only see about 4 assist with Lebron,because he doesent shoot nearly as good as Redd did,a real pg's averages would not have dropped like that.

KempSonics
07-09-2009, 02:51 PM
Stuckey will be an all-star player soon.

Godfather
07-09-2009, 02:57 PM
Allen Iverson? :oldlol: That shows you how great Stuckey is, that he can still get some stats despite playing with a cancerous ball-stopper.


True, but slashing PGs > Jump shooting PGs

Gibson>Mo.

Is this some kind of ****ing joke?

First you pretend that you were old enough to watch the real Rocket greats and you go ahead and spew bull ****.

Hey I heard Yao made a porno...why don't you go jack off to it and leave us the **** alone.

1~Gibson~1
07-09-2009, 03:59 PM
To bad your not looking at it right either,Mo Williams stats are inflated he averaged 6.3 assists with the Bucks manly kicking it to Redd for jumpers when Redd wasnt dominating the ball because Mo was incapable of being a real creator.Now with Lebron you only see about 4 assist with Lebron,because he doesent shoot nearly as good as Redd did,a real pg's averages would not have dropped like that.
Mo is a scoring PG. How do people not realize that? And part of that is becuase he's playing with LeBron. You know, the guy that has the ball in his hands alot.

T-bomb 25
07-09-2009, 04:07 PM
Mo is a scoring PG. How do people not realize that? And part of that is becuase he's playing with LeBron. You know, the guy that has the ball in his hands alot.He dosent shoot off the dribble,he is set up like by Redd and now Lebron,like B.J.Armstrong was by Pippen and Jordan,Mark Price was a scoring pg that got his own shot when ever he felt like it from anywhere anytime that averaged 8 to 9 assist a game,which Mo Williams does not do,he scores when Lebron gets him the ball and he does not create for others,which means he's more of a 2guard.

1~Gibson~1
07-09-2009, 04:11 PM
He dosent shoot off the dribble,he is set up like by Redd and now Lebron,like B.J.Armstrong was by Pippen and Jordan,Mark Price was a scoring pg that got his own shot when ever he felt like it from anywhere anytime that averaged 8 to 9 assist a game,which Mo Williams does not do,he scores when Lebron gets him the ball and he does not create for others,which means he's more of a 2guard.2 guard? :wtf:

no. he's a scoring PG. he likes to play off of the ball alot and he's mostly used as a spot up shooter in the cavs' offense but he's more of a scorer than a spot up shooter.

T-bomb 25
07-09-2009, 04:22 PM
2 guard? :wtf:

no. he's a scoring PG. he likes to play off of the ball alot and he's mostly used as a spot up shooter in the cavs' offense but he's more of a scorer than a spot up shooter.What you just described is a 2 guard or scoring wing,damn do you have any hoop knowlege?

1~Gibson~1
07-09-2009, 04:30 PM
What you just described is a 2 guard or scoring wing,damn do you have any hoop knowlege?
he still runs the offense though so he's a PG

T-bomb 25
07-09-2009, 04:36 PM
he still runs the offense though so he's a PGNo he doesent Lebron runs the offense,what the hell do you be watching?

1~Gibson~1
07-09-2009, 04:45 PM
No he doesent Lebron runs the offense,what the hell do you be watching?
lebron doesnt play point-forward on EVERY SINGLE possession. Mo runs the offense and lebron does too. either way, Mo is a PG not a SG. Daniel Gibson is a SG, Mo is a PG.

O.J A 6'4Mamba
07-09-2009, 04:46 PM
Where is Mo Williams?

T-bomb 25
07-09-2009, 05:00 PM
lebron doesnt play point-forward on EVERY SINGLE possession. Mo runs the offense and lebron does too. either way, Mo is a PG not a SG. Daniel Gibson is a SG, Mo is a PG.Ok keep believing that,and we'll see Cleveland struggle in the playoffs again,with Lebron trying to create for all those stiffs like Mo.

All Net
07-09-2009, 05:26 PM
Stuckey is a talented player, the comparision isnt that off base.

2LeTTeRS
07-09-2009, 05:27 PM
He dosent shoot off the dribble,he is set up like by Redd and now Lebron,like B.J.Armstrong was by Pippen and Jordan,Mark Price was a scoring pg that got his own shot when ever he felt like it from anywhere anytime that averaged 8 to 9 assist a game,which Mo Williams does not do,he scores when Lebron gets him the ball and he does not create for others,which means he's more of a 2guard.

Do you watch Cavs games? Mo does shot off the dribble, and he runs the offense anytime Bron sits. He was the difference between last years teams who were able to run a competent offense even when Bron sat down, and the Cavs of years past who had to play Bron 40+ mins a game because nobody else could run an offense. He's not Chris Paul or Steve Nash but he gets the ball where he needs to be, an is an improving drive and dish player. Yes he dissapointed in the playoffs, but that doesn't erase a very good regular season that he had, which followed 2 other strong seasons in Milwaukee where he played the same caliber ball. Where are you getting the idea that Mo is more of a 2 guard?


Stuckey is not that good.

And I agree with this. Stuckey has talent, but he's not been able to put it all together yet. As of now there's no way that on the court he's as good as Mo Williams.

1~Gibson~1
07-09-2009, 05:28 PM
Ok keep believing that,and we'll see Cleveland struggle in the playoffs again,with Lebron trying to create for all those stiffs like Mo.ok

kingmob
07-09-2009, 05:30 PM
You guys are crazy. Stuckey isn't better than Mo Williams, and I say it as a Pistons' fan. He has more potential, but he isn't as good as Mo.

He has quite a few weaknesses in his game. He doesn't have range, he can't finish at the basket, he loses his assertiveness for games, he doesn't still know how to run a team(very indecisive), he has regressed on d from his rookie year, etc.

I do think that Curry held his progress back some, that guy is a monumental idiot. We will see if he takes another step forward with a new coach(and he should).

Potentially, Stuckey can surpass Mo Williams, but he isn't there yet.

Mo Williams was a pretty good player before he got to Cleveland, so there is no reason to think that the only reason he had a good season was because he has Lebron next to him.

T-bomb 25
07-09-2009, 05:42 PM
You guys are crazy. Stuckey isn't better than Mo Williams, and I say it as a Pistons' fan. He has more potential, but he isn't as good as Mo.

He has quite a few weaknesses in his game. He doesn't have range, he can't finish at the basket, he loses his assertiveness for games, he doesn't still know how to run a team(very indecisive), he has regressed on d from his rookie year, etc.

I do think that Curry held his progress back some, that guy is a monumental idiot. We will see if he takes another step forward with a new coach(and he should).

Potentially, Stuckey can surpass Mo Williams, but he isn't there yet.

Mo Williams was a pretty good player before he got to Cleveland, so there is no reason to think that the only reason he had a good season was because he has Lebron next to him.Well he did have another great player next to him in Redd.

T-bomb 25
07-09-2009, 05:42 PM
Do you watch Cavs games? Mo does shot off the dribble, and he runs the offense anytime Bron sits. He was the difference between last years teams who were able to run a competent offense even when Bron sat down, and the Cavs of years past who had to play Bron 40+ mins a game because nobody else could run an offense. He's not Chris Paul or Steve Nash but he gets the ball where he needs to be, an is an improving drive and dish player. Yes he dissapointed in the playoffs, but that doesn't erase a very good regular season that he had, which followed 2 other strong seasons in Milwaukee where he played the same caliber ball. Where are you getting the idea that Mo is more of a 2 guard?



And I agree with this. Stuckey has talent, but he's not been able to put it all together yet. As of now there's no way that on the court he's as good as Mo Williams.Yeah ok.

kingmob
07-09-2009, 05:47 PM
Well he did have another great player next to him in Redd.

You jk?

T-bomb 25
07-09-2009, 05:50 PM
You jk?How am i Joking?

1~Gibson~1
07-09-2009, 05:52 PM
How am i Joking?
redd is good, but not great.

so by saying leborn is great, then redd must be good.

kingmob
07-09-2009, 05:53 PM
Lebron James is a great player, Michael Redd isn't. Stuckey has Hamilton+Prince next to him, so that argument is kind of lame.

T-bomb 25
07-09-2009, 05:55 PM
redd is good, but not great.

so by saying leborn is great, then redd must be good.Ok i'll say Lebron is great and Redd is very good is that better for you Lebron fans? Sorry Detroit fans Hamilton and Prince are only good.

1~Gibson~1
07-09-2009, 05:57 PM
Ok i'll say Lebron is great and Redd is very good is that better for you Lebron fans? Sorry Detroit fans Hamilton is only good.im not a lebron fan so dont make me out as one but how can you say that redd is on lebrons level?

all im saying is, if lebron is a great player, then redd is only good :confusedshrug:
by saying redd is great also, you're putting him on the kobe/lebron/wade level, and that is soooooo wrong :no:

T-bomb 25
07-09-2009, 06:07 PM
im not a lebron fan so dont make me out as one but how can you say that redd is on lebrons level?

all im saying is, if lebron is a great player, then redd is only good :confusedshrug:
by saying redd is great also, you're putting him on the kobe/lebron/wade level, and that is soooooo wrong :no:Very good is about right for him yes he's under Wade,James,Kobe who are great,he's much better than mearly good,which Rip Hamilton would be considered good.

kingmob
07-09-2009, 06:09 PM
Very good is about right for him yes he's under Wade,James,Kobe who are great,he's much better than mearly good,which Rip Hamilton would be considered good.

Rip Hamilton is more of a complete player than Redd, IMO, and much more durable. I'd say they are about the same level.

T-bomb 25
07-09-2009, 06:17 PM
Rip Hamilton is more of a complete player than Redd, IMO, and much more durable. I'd say they are about the same level.Um....no Micheal is a break you down 1 on 1 player who can also go off screans like Rip,he can create his own shot,Rip cannot,and he's a better shooter on top of that,with a post game he's a better rebounder and passer with better handles and can play the point in a pinch,he's much better and mult-deminsiaonal than Hamilton,its not even close,I do agree about the injuries though.

kingmob
07-09-2009, 06:24 PM
Um....no Micheal is a break you down 1 on 1 player who can also go off screans like Rip,he can create his own shot,Rip cannot,and he's a better shooter on top of that,with a post game he's a better rebounder and passer with better handles and can play the point in a pinch,he's much better and mult-deminsiaonal than Hamilton,its not even close,I do agree about the injuries though.

Again, I'd disagree. Michael Redd is a glorified shooter, a pretty awesome one at that though. He does have some skills, but playing PG, common man. His handles are weak. He is a better scorer than Rip, but Rip scores his points a lot more efficiently. In addition, Rip plays a much better team game and learned to play a bit of D, where Redd severely lacks.

T-bomb 25
07-09-2009, 06:29 PM
Again, I'd disagree. Michael Redd is a glorified shooter, a pretty awesome one at that though. He does have some skills, but playing PG, common man. His handles are weak. He is a better scorer than Rip, but Rip scores his points a lot more efficiently. In addition, Rip plays a much better team game and learned to play a bit of D, where Redd severely lacks.Rip is overglorrafied,he cant create his own shot,which is why they signed Ben Gordon,Redd has the ability to play D,but i guess he just doesent feel like it for the Bucks lol,his handles are deffanetly not weak,Rip has zero handles to dribbles an he's done.

kingmob
07-09-2009, 06:35 PM
Rip is overglorrafied,he cant create his own shot,which is why they signed Ben Gordon,Redd has the ability to play D,but i guess he just doesent feel like it for the Bucks lol,his handles are deffanetly not weak,Rip has zero handles to dribbles an he's done.

That's a misconseption. He learned how to pass and dribble over the last few years. He has added a bit to his game every year. And Redd is pretty much a black hole as a passer.

Rip averages more ASSISTS per game than Redd(and for career), he had games of 14 and 16 assists last year, and Redd is a very average rebounder, there isn't much difference between the two and this statistic is pretty unimportant for a guard anyways.

Rip is a more complete player, anybody who isn't a homer and can see things objectively will tell you that.

1~Gibson~1
07-09-2009, 06:40 PM
whether Rip > Redd or not isnt the point. the point is, Mo came from a Mo/Redd backcourt to a Mo/West backcourt and neither LeBron nor Redd made Mo the player he is today. Mo is a good player all by himself and while he had the career of his life in a Cavs uni, he's still a good player.

Maurice Williams > Rodney Stuckey

T-bomb 25
07-09-2009, 06:51 PM
That's a misconseption. He learned how to pass and dribble over the last few years. He has added a bit to his game every year. And Redd is pretty much a black hole as a passer.

Rip averages more ASSISTS per game than Redd(and for career), he had games of 14 and 16 assists last year, and Redd is a very average rebounder, there isn't much difference between the two and this statistic is pretty unimportant for a guard anyways.

Rip is a more complete player, anybody who isn't a homer and can see things objectively will tell you that.How about we just create a thread for Redd and Rip,im interrested in what people think this is 1 of more interresting comparisons.

RocketGreatness
07-09-2009, 08:15 PM
whether Rip > Redd or not isnt the point. the point is, Mo came from a Mo/Redd backcourt to a Mo/West backcourt and neither LeBron nor Redd made Mo the player he is today. Mo is a good player all by himself and while he had the career of his life in a Cavs uni, he's still a good player.

Maurice Williams > Rodney Stuckey
It's more like a preference.....If you already have a team filled with good shooters then Rodney Stuckey should be your choice, If you already have a team filled with good slashers then Mo Williams is your choice. Depends on the team, I think Rodney is honestly just better in general. Mo is the better shooter and I don't see much more after that. It's hard to give a guy All-Star status when he can't even show up in the playoffs. I mean Karl Malone may have done the same thing but he was a beast when he was on his A-Game so It's different.

LakersLaLaLand
07-09-2009, 09:59 PM
It's more like a preference.....If you already have a team filled with good shooters then Rodney Stuckey should be your choice, If you already have a team filled with good slashers then Mo Williams is your choice. Depends on the team, I think Rodney is honestly just better in general. Mo is the better shooter and I don't see much more after that. It's hard to give a guy All-Star status when he can't even show up in the playoffs. I mean Karl Malone may have done the same thing but he was a beast when he was on his A-Game so It's different.

I disagree RG. Mo Williams is a better player. He was clutch many times over during the regular season. Unfortunately he hit a cold patch at the worst part of the season.

Stuckey is stronger. Thats its. Nothing else about him is better. Maybe the age.

LakersLaLaLand
07-09-2009, 10:08 PM
How about we just create a thread for Redd and Rip,im interrested in what people think this is 1 of more interresting comparisons.

Redd is the real overrated player in this thread.

RocketGreatness
07-09-2009, 10:11 PM
I disagree RG. Mo Williams is a better player. He was clutch many times over during the regular season. Unfortunately he hit a cold patch at the worst part of the season.

Stuckey is stronger. Thats its. Nothing else about him is better. Maybe the age.
Playoffs > Regular season, me you both know. Don't use that cold B.S. He got stage fright when he was in Orlando. He was fine hitting his shots in Cleveland but when the Cavs had to play in the Amway, Mo Williams disappeared faster than a ghost.

Stuckey is stronger, is the better slasher and finisher, and shows up come playoff time. I'll take Stuckey over Mo any day. If Mo actually shows up in the playoffs I'd take him over Stuckey, but then again if Mo actually showed up it would've been a Kobe vs LeBron Finals, so a lot of things would change if He decided to show up.

1~Gibson~1
07-09-2009, 10:23 PM
Playoffs > Regular season, me you both know. Don't use that cold B.S. He got stage fright when he was in Orlando. He was fine hitting his shots in Cleveland but when the Cavs had to play in the Amway, Mo Williams disappeared faster than a ghost.

Stuckey is stronger, is the better slasher and finisher, and shows up come playoff time. I'll take Stuckey over Mo any day. If Mo actually shows up in the playoffs I'd take him over Stuckey, but then again if Mo actually showed up it would've been a Kobe vs LeBron Finals, so a lot of things would change if He decided to show up.Mo Williams overall per game in the playoffs: 16 PPG, 3.2 rebs, 4 ast
Rodney Stuckey: 15, 2, 5

Mo > Stuckey

Mo Williams first round: 14.8 PPG, 5.5 APG, 2.3 RPG

not to mention that clutch 3 to seal the deal against them

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Reg. Season:

Mo Williams against Detroit: 17.3 PPG, 3.5 APG, 3.8 RPG
Stuckey against Cleveland: 7.3 PPG, 3.5 APG and RPG

Based off of all of that, i'd confirm that Mo Williams > Rodney Stuckey :rolleyes:

embersyc
07-09-2009, 10:55 PM
Mo Williams overall per game in the playoffs: 16 PPG, 3.2 rebs, 4 ast
Rodney Stuckey: 15, 2, 5

Mo > Stuckey

Mo Williams first round: 14.8 PPG, 5.5 APG, 2.3 RPG

not to mention that clutch 3 to seal the deal against them

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Reg. Season:

Mo Williams against Detroit: 17.3 PPG, 3.5 APG, 3.8 RPG
Stuckey against Cleveland: 7.3 PPG, 3.5 APG and RPG

Based off of all of that, i'd confirm that Mo Williams > Rodney Stuckey :rolleyes:

Yeah, while Rodney Stuckey was facing double teams, and Mo's defender was too busy quadruple teaming LeBron.

hoopaddict08
07-09-2009, 11:58 PM
Mo Williams overall per game in the playoffs: 16 PPG, 3.2 rebs, 4 ast
Rodney Stuckey: 15, 2, 5

Mo > Stuckey

Mo Williams first round: 14.8 PPG, 5.5 APG, 2.3 RPG

not to mention that clutch 3 to seal the deal against them

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Reg. Season:

Mo Williams against Detroit: 17.3 PPG, 3.5 APG, 3.8 RPG
Stuckey against Cleveland: 7.3 PPG, 3.5 APG and RPG

Based off of all of that, i'd confirm that Mo Williams > Rodney Stuckey :rolleyes:


I'm looking at the boxscores now for the regular season. There were multiple games where Mo had 40 mins, and had at least 18 FG attempts compared to a couple games where Stuckey played under 30 and had about 9 FG attempts. To say he is better based of these two series is a joke. Cleveland didn't have to worry about the backcourt jam Detroit had. Which isn't anything to brag about when you have Iverson guarding guys like Williams.

Stuckey in my opinion will be the better overall player, but Mo has the slight edge right now. He has also been in the league longer. Give Stuckey time and he will pass him. Probably this season.

HiphopRelated
07-10-2009, 12:10 AM
no..it's that simple

1~Gibson~1
07-10-2009, 12:06 PM
Yeah, while Rodney Stuckey was facing double teams, and Mo's defender was too busy quadruple teaming LeBron.
our gameplan was to stop RIP, not Stuckey. So rip was facing the dbl teams actually.

But overall, i'd still pick Mo over Stuckey. Mo is better now, but Stuckey has the potential to become better.

2LeTTeRS
07-10-2009, 12:48 PM
Yeah, while Rodney Stuckey was facing double teams, and Mo's defender was too busy quadruple teaming LeBron.

When was Stuckey double-teamed? In my memory of the series, Stuckey was trapped sometimes but he was not consistently double teamed.

RocketGreatness
07-10-2009, 07:13 PM
Yeah, while Rodney Stuckey was facing double teams, and Mo's defender was too busy quadruple teaming LeBron.
:applause:


our gameplan was to stop RIP, not Stuckey. So rip was facing the dbl teams actually.

But overall, i'd still pick Mo over Stuckey. Mo is better now, but Stuckey has the potential to become better.
That's fine, but people may have different opinions than you.