Bobcats trade Emeka Okafor to Hornets for Tyson Chandler

[gotbacon23]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4359609


The Hornets and Bobcats are in advanced discussions on a trade that would send center Tyson Chandler to Charlotte in exchange for fellow big man Emeka Okafor, according to NBA front-office sources.

It was not immediately known if the teams are ready to complete the swap -- or if the deal would expand to include other players or teams -- but sources close to the process said talks featuring Chandler and Okafor as the main components have been ongoing since late last week.

tale of the tape:
okafor:
d.o.b: 9/28/1982
'08-09: 82 games 13.2 ppg 10.1 rpg 1.7 bpg 56% fg 18.01 PER
Contract: due $10.5 million, $11.5 million, $12.5 million, $13.5, $14.5 through 2013-14 season

chandler:
d.o.b: 10/2/1982
'08-09: 45 games 8.8 ppg 8.7 rpg 1.2 spg 56.5% fg 13.44 PER
Contract: due $11.9 next season, has a player option for $12.8 million in 2010-11

[Godfather]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4359609

I don't understand why the Bobcats would do this :confusedshrug:

[twolvesfan]

good trade, pending on what is involved, for the hornets

[Black Joker]

why would Charlotte do this?

[1~Gibson~1]

I don't understand why the Bobcats would do this :confusedshrug:i remember larry brown once saying that he wanted a TRUE center

damnit mofo i wanted to break this news :rant

:lol

[Showtime]

why would Charlotte do this?
To get out from under Emeka's contract? He seems overpaid and declining. TC has a year or two left on his deal.

[gotbacon23]

I don't understand why the Bobcats would do this :confusedshrug:

$$$$$$$$ is my guess.

[rosonviyavong]

Okafor is solid come on Bobcats dont do it

[Showtime]

Okafor is solid come on Bobcats dont do it
He also makes an ass load of money. TC will take a load off their cap space in the long run.

[miles berg]

I wish Dallas could get in on this, Emeka Okafor is the missing piece here.

[Godfather]

$$$$$$$$ is my guess.

I guess they do not care about losing.

Chandler is worse than Emeka in everything and is injured 90% of the time.

[gotbacon23]

He also makes an ass load of money. TC will take a load off their cap space in the long run.

100% true, which makes me wonder why new orleans is in the mix when all i have heard about them is how they are struggling financially.

[Godfather]

100% true, which makes me wonder why new orleans is in the mix when all i have heard about them is how they are struggling financially.

Last time they had a reliable center they almost went to the WCF. I think with Emeka they have a chance to win something.

[rosonviyavong]

He also makes an ass load of money. TC will take a load off their cap space in the long run.
Okafor fits in Larry Browns scheme so good too all the Bobcats need is a go to guy on there team that will hit the big shots late in games ...

[Showtime]

100% true, which makes me wonder why new orleans is in the mix when all i have heard about them is how they are struggling financially.
Yes, but Emeka is way better than every center they have right now. So I think it's better for them to pay 12-14 mil for Emeka than 11-12 mil for a 8/8 injury prone center. That's probably what they are thinking.

[wang4three]

Jordan can't possibly be this dumb. There has to be draft pick or something involved.

[qrich]

Damnit Dunleavy. Deal Camby for Chandler, and then Chandler for Okafor. I'd love a Griffin/Okafor front court with Jordan being the third big :bowdown:

[Darius]

Yeah Dunleavy needs to jump on this.

[hawkfan]

Tyson Chandler did something to anger George Shin, and Shin has wanted to move Chandler ever since.

This deal is at best a wash, or it is simply trade talk intended to motivate both players.

[greensborohill]

Per ESPN.com


The Hornets and Bobcats are in advanced discussions on a trade that would send center Tyson Chandler to Charlotte in exchange for fellow big man Emeka Okafor, according to NBA front-office sources.


It was not immediately known if the teams are ready to complete the swap -- or if the deal would expand to include other players or teams -- but sources close to the process said talks featuring Chandler and Okafor as the main components have been ongoing since late last week.

The Bobcats will be giving up the only starting center in franchise history for Chandler, who has been plagued by a left toe injury. Chandler played in only 32 games last season and a trade to Oklahoma City was rescinded because of concerns over the injury.

The potential deal comes less than a year after Okafor signed a six-year, $72 million deal with the Bobcats.

[YAWN]

wow this thread popped up 5 seconds before i heard reali say it

[bagelred]

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[NZ33]

wow I thought NO was trying to save money???

[DuMa]

YES! okafor will be CP3's amare. i always wanted ok4 to do well and this is his chance now

[ShaqAttack3234]

Great deal for New Orleans. Okafor is better offensively and he's no worse defensively plus he's been in the NBA for a shorter amount of time which could make him effective for longer.

[SCY]

Can we just contract Charlotte and Memphis already? Both franchises are completely inept and pointless.

[Twiens]

What's the point for Charlotte? :ohwell:

[Melissa]

that would be a great deal for the Hornets. Chandler is broken.

[barne100]

What's the point for Charlotte? :ohwell:

i'm pretty sure this makes no sense for either team.. it was just a few months ago that the hornets were supposedly cash-strapped but okafor is a longer/larger contract.

as for chandler.. he's older and injury prone.

this may make the hornets a little better NOW.. but it can't be worth it.

[Timmeh]

Let's go ahead and make this trade more ridiculous.

Okafor/Radmanovic/Diop

Chandler/Peja/Julian Wright.


omg I'm so cool.

[lukekarts]

What an absolutely stupid trade from Charlotte's point of view, if this is true.

[Interminator]

This makes sense for Charlotte from the standpoint of Larry Brown at HC, he likes an athletic C who grabs boards and blocks shots at the 5. Ben Wallace in Detroit.Dikembe in Philly.Davis in Indiana.

Okafor is a PF being played at C, hes only 6'9. And his role requires him to pretty much hold down the post against 2 players since Charlotte is playing Diaw at PF.

Charlotte gets out of the final 4 years of Okafor's contract, and takes on the 1 year left on Chandler's contract.

PG Felton
SG Bell
SF Wallace
PF Diaw
C Chandler

That is a very good defensive lineup, and if they add Iverson to provide some scoring on offense they can really surprise people this season.

New Orleans gets Okafor who wont be relied on as much as he was in Charlotte to provide low post scoring, Okafor fills in perfectly for New Orleans at the 5. Hes better on offense than Chandler was, and would excel with a PG like CP3 getting him the ball.

[Showtime]

Tyson Chandler did something to anger George Shin, and Shin has wanted to move Chandler ever since.

Where the hell did you get that idea?

[mamba24]

What surprises me...NOT BEING A HOMER but Charlotte and Memphis have owners worth about 750-800 mill....and they are cost cutting and forever under the tax and underachieving...

where as the laker owner Jerry Buss who is worth about 380 million put out a competetive team every year...

and George Shinn who is wort 100 Mill...is also still putting up a team around CP3 with this deal...

Peter holt of San Antonio deserves respect...worth around 80 nill puts up a team worth 76 mill...

I know personal wealth has nothing to do with operating profits and regeneration profits but still...if he went bust all of a sudden he would basically be worth 4 mill.

[twolvesfan]

im guessing they are doing this so they can have their first round pick next year:mad:

[#1SportsFan86]

Great deal for New Orleans. Okafor is better offensively and he's no worse defensively plus he's been in the NBA for a shorter amount of time which could make him effective for longer.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[magnax1]

I thought that the hornets wanted to clear cap space, not take on a 5 year big $$$ contract.

[Luigi]

Okafor > Chandler. He still blocks shots, but is much tougher and bigger.

But, Okafor has a long contract. It is fairly new though, and I thought the Bobcats actually liked the deal they gave him. If for some reason they have buyers remorse, this is a financial deal.

Otherwise, there's gotta be more pieces involved. Draft picks, players... something.

[1~Gibson~1]

if their is a draft pick involved, it's probably going to NO because of the huge contract they're taking.

[PacerRaptor]

if its for contract dump...."Bird please pick up the phone and offer them Murphy"

[hoopaddict08]

A frontcourt of David West, and Okafur would be sick.

[Godfather]

I obviously like this for the hornets, but shouldn't the Dallas Mavricks be trying to get him too?

[1~Gibson~1]

i think NOH has another deal in place already. they're looking to shed salary and taking on Okafor's huge contract isnt helping that.

either that or they're trying to surround CP3 with long term players :confusedshrug:

idk

[Godfather]

And if the Bobcats are doing this for a salary dump...

Here is Shaq...you can have him.

[Lebron23]

That's a Horrible Trade.

Chandler is injury prone. Emeka Okafor is going to average 18 ppg and 11 rpg next year because Chris Paul is going to make him better.

Emeka Okafor, David West and Chris Paul = 52 or more wins in the Western Conference.

[kingmob]

That would be a terrible move for the Bobcats.

[Lebron23]

And if the Bobcats are doing this for a salary dump...

Here is Shaq...you can have him.


Zydrunas Ilgauskas (Expiring Contract), JJ Hickson, and Tarrence Kinsey for Emeka Okafor.

[Lebron23]

That would be a terrible move for the Bobcats.


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http://www.nba.com/media/bobcats/jordan_inside_070313.jpg

[InspiredLebowski]

Hopefully Indy and Boston get involved to get that Quis Daniels trade moving.

[Sammobile]

good bye TC you will be missed :rockon:

[twolvesfan]

good bye TC you will be missed :rockon:
he is probably going to injure his toe again once he is "traded"

[1~Gibson~1]

is it done yet?

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4359609

WOW....

[wang4three]

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=141331

[Qwyjibo]

Wow no way!

This is definitely the 1st time I've read about this here and the only thread about this in the top half of the first page.

[Bigsmoke]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Chander only scores when Chris Paul throws up an alleyhoop.

[Pharcyde]

Can we just contract Charlotte


No. It's my only chance to go to NBA games.

[gmoney9]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

whats funny about that :confusedshrug:
Neither one is Amare-esqe offensively, but Okafor is better offensively. One he gets the ball in the post he'll actually attempt a low post move/shot

[Brujesino]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
what are you laughing at its a true statement

[Kujo]

i'm pretty sure this makes no sense for either team.. it was just a few months ago that the hornets were supposedly cash-strapped but okafor is a longer/larger contract.

as for chandler.. he's older and injury prone.

this may make the hornets a little better NOW.. but it can't be worth it.


They're the same age. Both born in 1982. Chandler just has more milege since (3 extra nba seasons) due to be drafted straight out of high school.

I don't really get this trade. Perhaps Chandler stays injury free, and flourishes in Larry Brown's system. It's highly unlikely Chandler stays injury free. I probably have better chance of winning the lottery.

Okafor will probably have better offensive numbers because of Chris Paul despite being less offensively challenged than Chandler.

[kumquat]

Considering that the Hornets were trying to palm off Chandler for absolutely northing .i.e. Chris Wilcox and Joe Smith. The bobcats could have got him without giving up Emeka

[D-Rose]

ESPN says it's a done deal.

[yobore]

I like Chandler but even when he played last season he was terrible. This is definitely an upgrade for the hornets i hope Chandler revives his career in Charlotte.

[obonpaxis]

Okafor was an ok draft choice at #2. He's been solid, but he's hit his ceiling and we are killing our cap space for him. I can live with Chandler if he comes off the books after next year. We need to blow up and start over.

Most of our other draft decisions have been pretty bad (if you're a tightwad franchise, then at least draft smart).

I was praying for us to snag Danny Granger when he fell so far, but we picked Sean May instead.

Next year I was screaming for Brandon Roy and we went with Adam Morrison.

And I generally SUCK at evaluating potential draft picks.

I'm better than the GOAT though, apparently.

[Showtime]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
TC has ZERO offensive ability.

[gutterballer733]

I don't think this trade makes the hornets a contender in the west, or the bobcats a worse team in the east. While Okafor is better than Chandler offensively, he isn't a very substantial upgrade at all. He is also locked up for eight figures for the next few years. As a Bobcat fan, I don't mind a change at the center position. Although we do already have a similar player (Diop) at the position. Weak trade on both parts.

[magnax1]

http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=4634

Charlotte Bobcats General Manager Rod Higgins announced today that the team has acquired center Tyson Chandler from the New Orleans Hornets in exchange for forward/center Emeka Okafor.

In 197 games over three seasons with New Orleans, the 7-1 Chandler averaged 10.2 points, 11.3 rebounds and 1.4 blocks in 34.3 minutes, while shooting .611 from the field (829-1356). Chandler, who missed 29 of the team’s final 44 games last season due to left ankle injuries, averaged 8.8 points, 8.7 rebounds and 1.2 blocks in 32.1 minutes over 45 games played in 2008-09.

Also:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4359609

[chitownsfinest]

Great trade for the Hornets imo. They dump a player who was not happy with the team and get a better interior defender, scorer, less injury prone, similar rebounder, and shot blocker in Okafor. Nice to see them getting CP3 help after being quiet for so long.

[magnax1]

Yeah, I agree its a good trade for the hornets, but i don't know if it really improves them massively. What they really need is a new replacement for the aging Stojakevic.

[chitownsfinest]

Yeah, I agree its a good trade for the hornets, but i don't know if it really improves them massively. What they really need is a new replacement for the aging Stojakevic.
Yeah but it's a start for them. They were really quiet before making the trade.

I agree with getting rid of Peja. They need to bring in a athletic wing player to play alongside Chris Paul.

[beasted86]

Alongside Chris Paul, Okafor will average 18/10, book it.

[Big One]

bobcats are straight ****ed

this team already cant score worth **** an now they trade thier best interior scorer, or basically there only one for ****ing tyson chandler?:wtf:

[AmoebaD]

will j. wright ever get a chance to play? i'm hoping he can be a productive player for them this year, he should at least get that opportunity.

[qrich]

Alongside Chris Paul, Okafor will average 18/10, book it.

I think he'll get around 11-12.5 boards, not 10. With West next to him up front, it'll open up more rebounds for Okafor. Also leading to a whole bunch of put back points

[magnax1]

What exactly is the point of this trade for the Bobcats? They get more salary and the worse player.

[MiseryCityTexas]

bobcats are ****ed. gerald wallace better leave while he can, cause most of his prime years were already wasted being in bobcat's rotation

[chitownsfinest]

Hopefully MJ wasn't behind this. He can't possible make his rep as a front office man worse, can he? The Bobcats were actually looking like a team that has 6-8 seed potential towards the end of last season, and now they screw it up with this? The Bobcats had a scrappy defensive team last season which Coach Brown loves to work with and now you head away from that direction by trading your best interior defender? Chandler has no offensive game to speak of and is only a good rebounder, nothing more.

[InspiredLebowski]

Sooo....are the Hornets in the brink of financial collapse or what?

[chains5000]

Makes no sense for the Bobcats.

[ronnymac]

Sooo....are the Hornets in the brink of financial collapse or what?
Then why would they take on emekas contract which uns to 014:confusedshrug:

[KBryant24]

The bobcats are a train wreck, and this trade just brings their ultimate failure even closer.

[MiseryCityTexas]

What exactly is the point of this trade for the Bobcats? They get more salary and the worse player.


money has to be the only reason why bobcats made this trade

[InspiredLebowski]

Then why would they take on emekas contract which uns to 014:confusedshrug:

That's why I'm asking. All sorts of reports of doom and gloom and then this.

[ukballer]

Makes no sense for the Bobcats.

This..unfortunately.

I'd like to see a real explanation from MJ and the rest of the front office when they cooked this one up. Really disappointing as a fan/follower/whatever I am, to see that the Bobcats have actually regressed during this off-season. If they make the playoffs then...it would be one of the biggest shocks in sporting history imo. :(

[rosonviyavong]

Hornets win this trade

[Lebron23]

This..unfortunately.

I'd like to see a real explanation from MJ and the rest of the front office when they cooked this one up. Really disappointing as a fan/follower/whatever I am, to see that the Bobcats have actually regressed during this off-season. If they make the playoffs then...it would be one of the biggest shocks in sporting history imo. :(


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[InspiredLebowski]

Bobcats are up for sale, the BET guy is trying to move his majority stake (right?). The cap is tightening, they've got those awesome VladRad and Mohammed contracts on the books. Business is business. Sucks to be a fan of a team that doesn't have empty pockets, but welcome to the reality of the league. After the labor stoppage of 2011 say goodbye to guaranteed contracts, at least to the degree they are now.

And whether or not Charlotte lost the trade (they did), you should be happy to get out from Okafor's deal.

[Showtime]

What exactly is the point of this trade for the Bobcats? They get more salary and the worse player.
They don't get more salary. Maybe a couple million during TC's last two years, but they save the long term contract of Emeka that eventually pays him over 14 mil in his last year. It saves the team money in the long run.

[El Kabong]

They don't get more salary. Maybe a couple million during TC's last two years, but they save the long term contract of Emeka that eventually pays him over 14 mil in his last year. It saves the team money in the long run.
Well if you look at it over the entire contract, they end up paying more money because Emeka runs for 3 more years over Chandler who is in his final year.

Swapping Chandler (due to earn $11.7 next season) for Okafor ($10.6 million) will save the Hornets just over $1 million next season and cost them an extra $40-plus million over the final three years of Okafor's deal if the 26-year-old exercises his $14.5 million option for the 2013-14 season. Chandler has just one year left on his contract after this season at $12.6 million.

[Showtime]

Well if you look at it over the entire contract, they end up paying more money because Emeka runs for 3 more years over Chandler who is in his final year.
I was talking about the cats. The post I responded to said there was no reason to trade from the cats' perspective. I posted that the reason was to save money over the long run.

[ronnymac]

Put the money issue aside, this a steal for the hornets. they get a borderline allstar for an overrated injury prone role player. emekas numbers will be 19-10 with paul

[InspiredLebowski]

Honestly, I think this makes a lot more sense for the Bobcats than the Hornets. Neither is winning a title next year and neither player nets more than a handful of wins/losses next year. So you save money in a time of turmoil for the league.

[El Kabong]

I was talking about the cats. The post I responded to said there was no reason to trade from the cats' perspective. I posted that the reason was to save money over the long run.
I'm sorry, I misread. Please excuse me and my multi-tasking idiocy.

[ronnymac]

Honestly, I think this makes a lot more sense for the Bobcats than the Hornets. Neither is winning a title next year and neither player nets more than a handful of wins/losses next year. So you save money in a time of turmoil for the league.
Save money for what :confusedshrug: re-signing felton:confusedshrug: . it's not like free agents are waiting in droves to go to the bobcats. that hada ok foundation and were a borderline playoffs team.

[nbastatus]

good for the hornets.

[InspiredLebowski]

Save money for what :confusedshrug: re-signing felton:confusedshrug: . it's not like free agents are waiting in droves to go to the bobcats. that hada ok foundation and were a borderline playoffs team.

For saving money, period. Why lock up long term cash to hold a team together that's going nowhere near contention? Fans don't want an OK team that's borderline 8 seed, they want contention. This is why we're seeing so many of the mediocre teams hold down the fort until their existing contracts expire (or they can move them for lesser deals like this). Players don't give a damn about where they play, they give a damn about who can pay them. Charlotte made themselves somewhat of a player in 2 years, much moreso than they'd have been before.

I don't see the logic in keeping Okafor for an additional 2 years compared to Chandler and having nothing but basically the MLE to lure players that can help you reach the next level. As you said, it's Charlotte, players aren't going to take a paycut to play there, they're going to play there because they can get paid.

[lukekarts]

They're turning into the biggest joke of the NBA. :wtf:

At least the Grizzlies try to get talent in return.

I wouldn't even have minded if we (Miami) sent Beasley in return, but Chandler? :hammerhead:

[joe]

For saving money, period. Why lock up long term cash to hold a team together that's going nowhere near contention? Fans don't want an OK team that's borderline 8 seed, they want contention. This is why we're seeing so many of the mediocre teams hold down the fort until their existing contracts expire (or they can move them for lesser deals like this). Players don't give a damn about where they play, they give a damn about who can pay them. Charlotte made themselves somewhat of a player in 2 years, much moreso than they'd have been before.

I don't see the logic in keeping Okafor for an additional 2 years compared to Chandler and having nothing but basically the MLE to lure players that can help you reach the next level. As you said, it's Charlotte, players aren't going to take a paycut to play there, they're going to play there because they can get paid.

I like what you're saying. You're making excellent points. But I think you're missing something.

Charlotte Bobcat fans just want to see their team in the playoffs. They've been a lottery team since Day 1. Anyone who's rooted for that since the beginning doesn't care if they'll be good in two years. They were a borderline playoff team last season and they don't want to lose that thrill.

Yeah.

[ronnymac]

For saving money, period. Why lock up long term cash to hold a team together that's going nowhere near contention? Fans don't want an OK team that's borderline 8 seed, they want contention. This is why we're seeing so many of the mediocre teams hold down the fort until their existing contracts expire (or they can move them for lesser deals like this). Players don't give a damn about where they play, they give a damn about who can pay them. Charlotte made themselves somewhat of a player in 2 years, much moreso than they'd have been before.

I don't see the logic in keeping Okafor for an additional 2 years compared to Chandler and having nothing but basically the MLE to lure players that can help you reach the next level. As you said, it's Charlotte, players aren't going to take a paycut to play there, they're going to play there because they can get paid.
Fair enough.

[Glo41]

And here I thought NO was trying to save money. :confusedshrug:

I'm guessing there's more players or picks involved then just a straight up swap. Much too retarded for Charlotte.

[Hammertime]

And here I thought NO was trying to save money. :confusedshrug:

They're also trying to keep the team alive. Saving money by keeping your total salaries low won't help you if your whole business model is getting slaughtered because you don't have any fans.

Hornets aren't like most other small-market teams in the league now who are simply trying to weather out the recession and come out without too much long-term financial damage. As a Jazz fan, I know that a couple of years of below .500 teams will not seriously affect the team's future in SLC. The Hornets don't have that luxury.

I know it's seems oddly paradoxical that a team in financial trouble is taking on a bigger contract here, but the Hornets simply must convince the fans in their area to come out.

[w00terz]

They're also trying to keep the team alive. Saving money by keeping your total salaries low won't help you if your whole business model is getting slaughtered because you don't have any fans.

Hornets aren't like most other small-market teams in the league now who are simply trying to weather out the recession and come out without too much long-term financial damage. As a Jazz fan, I know that a couple of years of below .500 teams will not seriously affect the team's future in SLC. The Hornets don't have that luxury.

I know it's seems oddly paradoxical that a team in financial trouble is taking on a bigger contract here, but the Hornets simply must convince the fans in their area to come out.

:applause: Truth.

[takeittothehoop]

Charlotte is going to regret doing this. Okafor will have a breakout season in NOLA.

[RoseCity07]

You can't tell me this trade wasn't made because Okafor wanted out. Okafor is a really good player, and the Hornets are getting a steal. Such a steal for New Orleans.

[Showtime]

You can't tell me this trade wasn't made because Okafor wanted out. Okafor is a really good player, and the Hornets are getting a steal. Such a steal for New Orleans.
If Emeka wanted out, then he shouldn't have just signed his big contract not too long ago. What he wanted was a max deal, but he wasn't going to get it, and instead of leaving, he signed with the cats. I doubt he forced their hand at all. The team is being shopped, and this deal helps cut down the salary by ridding the team of his long term deal.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Wallace shopped as well.

[Quizno]

really, really disappointing trade

:banghead:

[RoseCity07]

If Emeka wanted out, then he shouldn't have just signed his big contract not too long ago. What he wanted was a max deal, but he wasn't going to get it, and instead of leaving, he signed with the cats. I doubt he forced their hand at all. The team is being shopped, and this deal helps cut down the salary by ridding the team of his long term deal.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Wallace shopped as well.

So you think if the Blazers offered up Jerryd Bayless, and Outlaw, they could get Gerald Wallace in return?

[rufuspaul]

For saving money, period. Why lock up long term cash to hold a team together that's going nowhere near contention? Fans don't want an OK team that's borderline 8 seed, they want contention. This is why we're seeing so many of the mediocre teams hold down the fort until their existing contracts expire (or they can move them for lesser deals like this). Players don't give a damn about where they play, they give a damn about who can pay them. Charlotte made themselves somewhat of a player in 2 years, much moreso than they'd have been before.

I don't see the logic in keeping Okafor for an additional 2 years compared to Chandler and having nothing but basically the MLE to lure players that can help you reach the next level. As you said, it's Charlotte, players aren't going to take a paycut to play there, they're going to play there because they can get paid.

This. The Cats will save about 40 mil with this deal. Look, here's what you'll get with Mek: A smart, classy guy who's unfortunately a center in a power forward's body. He has no real post moves and probably the worst hands of any big man in the game. He can rebound and he can block shots, but when up against all-star big men he gets toasted. After a great rookie season his game has ceased to progress in the last 5 years. Compare to Dwight Howard from the same draft. People saying he's gonna put up 19/10 are dreaming. He's not the offensive powerhouse just waiting for CP3 to unlock his potential. He is what he is.

Is Chandler any better? No. Will it hurt the Cats next season? Possibly, but I don't think so. LB has been saying since he got here that we need to get bigger if we want to compete in the East. The J-rich trade made no sense to me last year and turned out to be one of the best deals we've ever made. I think it was LB not MJ pulling the strings here and I'm inclined to trust he knows what he's doing.

[2LeTTeRS]

I'm no longer a Bobcat fan.

[CarolinaBlue704]

This. The Cats will save about 40 mil with this deal. Look, here's what you'll get with Mek: A smart, classy guy who's unfortunately a center in a power forward's body. He has no real post moves and probably the worst hands of any big man in the game. He can rebound and he can block shots, but when up against all-star big men he gets toasted. After a great rookie season his game has ceased to progress in the last 5 years. Compare to Dwight Howard from the same draft. People saying he's gonna put up 19/10 are dreaming. He's not the offensive powerhouse just waiting for CP3 to unlock his potential. He is what he is.

Is Chandler any better? No. Will it hurt the Cats next season? Possibly, but I don't think so. LB has been saying since he got here that we need to get bigger if we want to compete in the East. The J-rich trade made no sense to me last year and turned out to be one of the best deals we've ever made. I think it was LB not MJ pulling the strings here and I'm inclined to trust he knows what he's doing.

most fans outside of charlotte dont realize what you said about okafur.i dont think this traded will help either team very much.okafur is a undersized center who struggles against legit centers.if chandler stays healthy,this trade is a wash in my opinion.

[boozehound]

What exactly is the point of this trade for the Bobcats? They get more salary and the worse player.
shorter contract? I am shocked they gave up on okafur. I like chandler, but damn.

[boozehound]

They're turning into the biggest joke of the NBA. :wtf:

At least the Grizzlies try to get talent in return.

I wouldn't even have minded if we (Miami) sent Beasley in return, but Chandler? :hammerhead:
:wtf: ?

[CarolinaBlue704]

They're turning into the biggest joke of the NBA. :wtf:

At least the Grizzlies try to get talent in return.

I wouldn't even have minded if we (Miami) sent Beasley in return, but Chandler? :hammerhead:

you might wanna take a hammer and hit yourself in the head.

[knickballer]

Bobcats got that real center they wanted. Okafor wasn't a real center. Chandler plays defense which Brown wants he is also a monster at shot blocking and rebounding. Problem with Okafor was that he was to slow to play PF and too small to play Center. Diaw/Chandler should make a good front court.

[rufuspaul]

I asked my wife what percentage of my rants during Bobcats games were due to some stupid thing Okafor did, and she had to agree it was a large part of the pie. Haven't you seen the guy play? Haven't you seen every big man in the league block his feeble attempts at lay-ups? Haven't you seen him pout like a spoiled teenager when he commits a dumb foul? I mean, I got tired of yelling "DUNK THE EFFING BALL" every time he was near the rim

This was a comment from the Charlotte Observer page. I must say I've felt that way most of the last 5 years.

[bagelred]

I don't know what to make of this trade.

Let's just call it Even Steven and be done with it. :confusedshrug:

[Interminator]

Bobcats got that real center they wanted. Okafor wasn't a real center. Chandler plays defense which Brown wants he is also a monster at shot blocking and rebounding. Problem with Okafor was that he was to slow to play PF and too small to play Center. Diaw/Chandler should make a good front court.
This.

[Bigsmoke]

Bobcats got that real center they wanted. Okafor wasn't a real center. Chandler plays defense which Brown wants he is also a monster at shot blocking and rebounding. Problem with Okafor was that he was to slow to play PF and too small to play Center. Diaw/Chandler should make a good front court.

Okafor is even a better shotblocker and rebonder.

too short? he's 6'10.. u want him to be Gheorghe Muresan?

[twolvesfan]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUU. great now the bobcats get a lot worse and ruin any chance of making the play offs:mad: we have charlottes first but it is lotto protected:mad: :mad: :banghead: :banghead:

[boozehound]

This was a comment from the Charlotte Observer page. I must say I've felt that way most of the last 5 years.
just wait to see how disappointed you will be in chandler then.


for the poster who said chandler is a better rebounder/shotblocker, SAY WHAT?

Stats dont show that, game footage dont show that, nothing in reality supports that argument. I do agree that chandler may be a better man-on defender.

[visirale]

Hahaha, it's funny to see where Oakafor is now in his career. So many people thought Orlando was inept for passing over him for DHoward for the #1 pick. Okafor ended up with ROY but I'm glad things panned out like they did...

[bagelred]

Hahaha, it's funny to see where Oakafor is now in his career. So many people thought Orlando was inept for passing over him for DHoward for the #1 pick. Okafor ended up with ROY but I'm glad things panned out like they did...

I remember that too. Most "experts" thought Okafor should be the #1 pick.

[twolvesfan]

I remember that too. Most "experts" thought Okafor should be the #1 pick.
hindsight is always 20/20, at the time though Okafor just dominated college

[Torious]

I don't get it... the Bobcats have 4 Centers on the roster and they trade away the only one worthwhile one? Did someone lace the water supply in Charlotte with hallucinogenic drugs or something? What's wrong with those people?

[J23]

So the bobcats aren't getting anything else? What a horrible trade. They don't know what the hell they are doing.

[Pain of Thought]

Put the money issue aside, this a steal for the hornets. they get a borderline allstar for an overrated injury prone role player. emekas numbers will be 19-10 with paul

This makes him a borderline superstar? Let's be honest here, Okafor hasn't exactly lived entirely up to his expectations thus far. Sure, so much potential there, but I don't think he'll bloom into the superstar people think he will.

19/10 - you call that borderline superstar numbers?

:confusedshrug:

[boozehound]

This makes him a borderline superstar? Let's be honest here, Okafor hasn't exactly lived entirely up to his expectations thus far. Sure, so much potential there, but I don't think he'll bloom into the superstar people think he will.

19/10 - you call that borderline superstar numbers?

:confusedshrug:
Yes, 20-10? how many players average that? How many players average 10 rebounds regardless of pts? Thats borderline superstar IMO. WHo really cares if hes a star, all star, superstar, supernova? Its all dumb terminology that non-bball players get way too caught up in

[Torious]

This makes him a borderline superstar? Let's be honest here, Okafor hasn't exactly lived entirely up to his expectations thus far. Sure, so much potential there, but I don't think he'll bloom into the superstar people think he will.

19/10 - you call that borderline superstar numbers?

:confusedshrug:

He said allstar, not superstar. Or are you suggesting, that all allstars are automatically superstars? There've been starters on the allstar game with much worse numbers then 19/10

[HERB Stempel]

just wait to see how disappointed you will be in chandler then.


for the poster who said chandler is a better rebounder/shotblocker, SAY WHAT?

Stats dont show that, game footage dont show that, nothing in reality supports that argument. I do agree that chandler may be a better man-on defender.

we agree. shocking. people must not see chandler play aside from highlights of sensational weakside blocks since we already know nobody watches the cats and okafor. so who wants kaman's contract? anyone?

[Pain of Thought]

Yes, 20-10? how many players average that? How many players average 10 rebounds regardless of pts? Thats borderline superstar IMO. WHo really cares if hes a star, all star, superstar, supernova? Its all dumb terminology that non-bball players get way too caught up in

I'm glad to see CP3 get an upgrade here (and that's still debatable) but this combo doesn't automatically make New Orleans a contender this year even as great as CP3 is (by far best PG in today's league). I understand your point about "tags" being placed on players and whatnot, but when people say superstar or even borderline superstar at that position, you're comparing them to D.Howard, and ya boy O is nothing close.

[Mississippi]

Charlotte gets worse. They trade away their franchise player for an often injured center in Chandler. I don't like it one bit but I'm loving the big three of Paul, West, and Okafor for the Hornets.

[dr. bob's bunch]

The Charlotte residents in this thread know what's up. Don't look for Emeka to be converting many of those alley oops a healthy Tyson made highlight reels with.

[TMT]

I like this trade for the Hornets, don't really understand it for the Bobcats. The Hornets get to dump Chandler which they have been trying to do and get a good young player with tons of upside IMO. Stojakavic needs to go next in my opinion. I heard that the Hornets were already planning to start Julian Wright this year in his place.

[wang4three]

Good job, Mike. And I can't people still spell it "Okafur".

[kingmob]

Mike Jordan is a retard.

[lolwut]

Charlotte just got quite a bit worse.

How the **** was Houston not ALL OVER Okafor??????!?!!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

he was born in the H.

[BeebCats]

The Charlotte residents in this thread know what's up. Don't look for Emeka to be converting many of those alley oops a healthy Tyson made highlight reels with.

:D

As long as chandler is healthy and can actually play, this trade will be good. I'm starting to see the brighter side... okafor's main perk was his defense. Chandler is arguably as good or better. We didn't rely on okafor's offense at all, so there's no change there -- except maybe more points, because chandler will convert more of those under the basket touches imo. Oh, and less possessions wasted on getting his shot packed into the stands.

I like Okafor though, wish him the best in NO :cheers:

[Huey Freeman]

Good job, Mike. And I can't people still spell it "Okafur".
I "can't people" still either.

[wang4three]

I "can't people" still either.

tou che.

[bagelred]

Does anyone find it odd that two players, probably roughly the same age, who play the exact same position, with similar dollar amounts per year on contract, with somewhat similar skillsets, end up being traded for each other in basically a straight up trade? Weird.....

It's like trading Chris Paul for Deron Williams....Wha????

[Godfather]

Does anyone find it odd that two players, probably roughly the same age, who play the exact same position, with similar dollar amounts per year on contract, with somewhat similar skillsets, end up being traded for each other in basically a straight up trade? Weird.....

It's like trading Chris Paul for Deron Williams....Wha????

Chris Paul for Deron Williams is a great comparison.

Emeka is listed as a significantly better player statistically (Paul), yet people are deluded into believing Emeka (Paul) and Chandler (Deron) are on par players.

[embersyc]

This will give more scoring opurtunities to the Bobcat's wing players since they aren't forcefeeding Okafor shots. Chandler will probably get all his buckets on putbacks and fastbreaks.

[Dasher]

New Orleans actually has gotten worse. They lost size. Okafor will be exposed nightly against the gargantuan centers of the Western conference. He also is not the open court player that Tyson is, and does not play above the rim to make up for his lack of size.

[boozehound]

New Orleans actually has gotten worse. They lost size. Okafor will be exposed nightly against the gargantuan centers of the Western conference. He also is not the open court player that Tyson is, and does not play above the rim to make up for his lack of size.
I agree with this (for the most part). I dont think his D will suffer significantly, but he is clearly not as good in the open court and doesnt finish above the rim. chandler looked so good because paul set him up with those types of opportunities. Okafor wont finish those as well IMO

[OneMoreSucka]

NOH - lottery bound?

[yobore]

New Orleans actually has gotten worse. They lost size. Okafor will be exposed nightly against the gargantuan centers of the Western conference. He also is not the open court player that Tyson is, and does not play above the rim to make up for his lack of size.
Chandler was awful this season. He averaged 8/8 and was always the bench with an injury.

I've got no doubt Paul will find a way to make use of Okafor. He did tons of damage in college when there were teammates who hung around the post.

[wang4three]

New Orleans actually has gotten worse. They lost size. Okafor will be exposed nightly against the gargantuan centers of the Western conference. He also is not the open court player that Tyson is, and does not play above the rim to make up for his lack of size.

What gargantuan centers? Kaman and Dampier? Outside of Bynum, there aren't that many big athletic centers out west.

[Dasher]

Chandler was awful this season. He averaged 8/8 and was always the bench with an injury.

There is no doubt Paul will definitely find a way to make use of Okafor. He did tons of damage in college when there were teammates who hung around the post.Yeah he was hurt last season. He has had ample time to recover from his toe injury. Emeka dominating during college does not mean as much because his dominance occured at the height of the one and done era. He did not really go up against the best young talent. They were for the most part, already in the NBA. As a person that watched a lot of Bobcats games, I can tell you that Okafor is fool's gold.

[rosonviyavong]

What gargantuan centers? Kaman and Dampier? Outside of Bynum, there aren't that many big athletic centers out west.
I wouldnt consider Bynum athletic

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

Mike Jordan, might be having a thing pulled up his sleeve. Maybe he is trying to open up room for 2010???
I think it is a fair deal, they both are good at blocks, have zero post game and chandler is more athlete and the Bobcats get cap space for FA

[Dasher]

What gargantuan centers? Kaman and Dampier? Outside of Bynum, there aren't that many big athletic centers out west.Amare, Duncan, Dirk, Al Jefferson, Pau, Andrew Bynum, Nene etc. He lucked up with the Yao injury, but he will face a lot of bigs 4 times next year that are generally too much for him to handle.

[yobore]

I can tell you that Okafor is fool's gold.
In that case Tyson is fool's bronze. Okafor is a definite upgrade over Tyson.

[wang4three]

Amare, Duncan, Dirk, Al Jefferson, Pau, Andrew Bynum, Nene etc. He lucked up with the Yao injury, but he will face a lot of bigs 4 times next year that are generally too much for him to handle.

Amare, Duncan, Jefferson, Nene aren't bigger than Okafor. They're each 6-10, 6-11ish and Okafor is as strong as any of them if not more so. I don't think he'll be exposed. He's a good defender, with good timing on blocks, and he's fairly athletic. He may not run the floor as well as Chandler, but he certainly makes it up with a decent post game and a fairly consistent 10 foot jump shot.

[Dasher]

In that case Tyson is fool's bronze. Okafor is a definite upgrade over Tyson.No he isn't. He MAY be the healthier out of the two, but they both have huge red flags. Back injuries are no joke, and they generally don't get better, and flare up at random times.

[Dasher]

Amare, Duncan, Jefferson, Nene aren't bigger than Okafor. They're each 6-10, 6-11ish and Okafor is as strong as any of them if not more so. I don't think he'll be exposed. He's a good defender, with good timing on blocks, and he's fairly athletic. He may not run the floor as well as Chandler, but he certainly makes it up with a decent post game and a fairly consistent 10 foot jump shot.He's not stronger than those guys. His post game is also not decent. Okafor is a shot blocking Al Horford w/o the intagibles.

[Mr_Basketball#1]

He's not stronger than those guys. His post game is also not decent. Okafor is a shot blocking Al Horford w/o the intagibles.
SMDH. Okafor is not stronger than Amare, Dirk, Gasol, and Al Jefferson. :oldlol:

[Dasher]

SMDH. Okafor is not stronger than Amare, Dirk, Gasol, and Al Jefferson. :oldlol:Al Jefferson put 40 on Okafor without breaking a sweat. Amar'e's and Pau have underrated strength. The only cat I would say he is stronger than is Dirk, but we both know that he has absolutely no chance of stopping Dirk.

[wang4three]

He's not stronger than those guys. His post game is also not decent. Okafor is a shot blocking Al Horford w/o the intagibles.

Okafor tested out the strongest of his draft class that included other guys like Kris Humphries (****ty player, but strong guy), Dwight Howard, and Al Jefferson. Granted Al and Dwight were high school kids, but he out performed them overwhelmingly. I doubt in the last 5 or so years Dwight and Jefferson were getting stronger while Okafor was not. So I would say that he's as strong as anybody in his range.

Okafor's post game is decent enough in my opinion. His footwork timing is off, but in comparison to Tyson Chandler, he looks like Hakeem out there. Not to mention he has like a 7-5 wing span and a 9-4 reach. I can't believe that it is a question that he won't be better out there than Tyson Chandler. The only thing I would worry about is his pick and roll game. I have not seen much of it since college, but he's a smart kid and I think he'll be able to pick it up.

[Dasher]

A 21 year old man in UCONN's strength and conditioning program should test better than a couple of high school kid's, but when matched up against Dwight and Al now the strength advantage that the two of them have over him is obvious.

[wang4three]

A 21 year old man in UCONN's strength and conditioning program should test better than a couple of high school kid's, but when matched up against Dwight and Al now the strength advantage that the two of them have over him is obvious.
That's under the assumption that Emeka didn't continually work on his strength.

[Mr_Basketball#1]

Al Jefferson put 40 on Okafor without breaking a sweat. Amar'e's and Pau have underrated strength. The only cat I would say he is stronger than is Dirk, but we both know that he has absolutely no chance of stopping Dirk.
Underrated strength? Pau is about as soft as it gets. His advantages over defenders is that he is quicker and has long arms which makes scoring over defenders for him easier.

[Luigi]

Which is the bigger player? I've read a few pages of conflicting opinions here and thought I'd bring some facts to the thread.

Emeka Okafor has a 9'4" standing reach.
Tyson Chandler has a 9'3" standing reach.

They are both centers. Okafor has 20 pounds on Chandler, and is more compact (he is almost 3" shorter). When drafted, Okafor had a .5 inch better vert, but he put on weight since then so he probably lost a few inches there.


Which is the better defender? Hard to say. Both get blocks, but how much does that really tell you? Okafor is clearly more physical, but Chandler can move his lighter body better. Probably depends on defensive assignments and matchups.


Which is the better rebounder? They are most similar here. But, I'll give the edge to the more physical player. Rebounding numbers aren't very useful in deciding this: great rebounding teams rebound by committe. You gotta watch tape.


Which is the bigger offensive threat? Neither is going to be a first, second, or even third option player. Chandler is a great lob pass guy, probably better than Okafor is, and Paul is going to miss that assist play. But, Okafor is more likely to get inside the paint for a reason other than a put-back (even though he may be only a little bit more successful in the end). Paul will be frustrated when he drops a few sick passes because his court awareness just can't keep up with.


This trade is about contracts and injuries. Chandler has been on the trade block for a while. NOH has tried to move him for garbage but failed because his toe injury is more serious than previously reported. Okafor recently signed a large, long contract and the 'Cats are feeling some buyers remorse going into the new economy. The teams are basically trading their problems to each other.

[TMT]

I don't get what Charlotte is trying to do. :confusedshrug:
Most of the trades they make, they seem to be on the downside of them.

Diaw and Bell for Richardson (arguable/ Suns win)
Radmonovic for Morrison and Brown (Lakers win)
Chandler for Okafor (Hornets win)

[BeebCats]

I don't get what Charlotte is trying to do. :confusedshrug:
Most of the trades they make, they seem to be on the downside of them.

Diaw and Bell for Richardson (arguable/ Suns win)
Radmonovic for Morrison and Brown (Lakers win)
Chandler for Okafor (Hornets win)

We got WAAAAAAAAAAY better after the Diaw/Bell trade.
Radmonovic trade is eh.
Chandler for Okafor, we have yet to see how it pans out. I don't see how it could really hurt us, seeing as we didn't rely on okafor for offense.

[Quizno]

I don't get what Charlotte is trying to do. :confusedshrug:
Most of the trades they make, they seem to be on the downside of them.

Diaw and Bell for Richardson (arguable/ Suns win)
Radmonovic for Morrison and Brown (Lakers win)
Chandler for Okafor (Hornets win)
what? the bobcats played above .500 ball after the trade. they made a massive improvement.

[rufuspaul]

I don't get what Charlotte is trying to do. :confusedshrug:
Most of the trades they make, they seem to be on the downside of them.

Diaw and Bell for Richardson (arguable/ Suns win)
Radmonovic for Morrison and Brown (Lakers win)
Chandler for Okafor (Hornets win)

:wtf: Diaw and Bell re-made the team into one of the best in the East 2nd half of the season. Morrison was a bust and begged to be traded. Vlad has been a big improvement considering Ammo was sitting on the bench contributing nothing. Who knows with the latest trade but I can tell you this: Mek was not improving from his rookie year.

[lolwut]

He's not stronger than those guys. His post game is also not decent. Okafor is a shot blocking Al Horford w/o the intagibles.


he's probably stronger than most everybody you listed.

he's 6'10-6'11 255

outweighs

Amare by 5 lbs.
Dirk by 10 lbs.
Nene by 5 lbs.
Pau by 5 lbs.

You call these guys gargantuan compared to Okafor? LOL

some of them faster? some of them have much better touch? I can see that.

stronger? crazy talk. Look for different adjectives to frame your argument around.

[lolwut]

:wtf: Diaw and Bell re-made the team into one of the best in the East 2nd half of the season. Morrison was a bust and begged to be traded. Vlad has been a big improvement considering Ammo was sitting on the bench contributing nothing. Who knows with the latest trade but I can tell you this: Mek was not improving from his rookie year.


he became considerably more efficient from the field he went from 44% to 53%,53%, and 56%

[Luigi]

Once again, Okafor has a better standing reach than Chandler. 9'3 vs 9'4.

[bagelred]

Bobcats like to make trades which seem to be a downgrade in talent "on paper" but getting guys that help you win games more.

Diaw and Bell for Rich looks like a downgrade, but actually helps Bobcats more
Same with Rad for Morrison, Morrsion more potential on paper, but Rad helps more
Gerald Henderson might have been a "reach" where he was taken, but a guy Brown really likes. Same with Augustin.

I get the same feeling with this trade. Okafor on paper is a better player, but Brown feels Chandler gives them what they need to win games. Brown has a methodology that seems to work.

[lolwut]

Once again, Okafor has a better standing reach than Chandler. 9'3 vs 9'4.


and if you pull up draft Express' bench press ratings you'll see that the people saying he's weaker than certain other bigs out west are completely insane

reps of 185

Emeka = 22
Al Jefferson = 3
Amare = 12

and you know Pau, Dirk, and Tim aren't anywhere near the camp record of 22...set by you guessed it.

[Luigi]

Bobcats like to make trades which seem to be a downgrade in talent "on paper" but getting guys that help you win games more.

Diaw and Bell for Rich looks like a downgrade, but actually helps Bobcats more
Same with Rad for Morrison, Morrsion more potential on paper, but Rad helps more
Gerald Henderson might have been a "reach" where he was taken, but a guy Brown really likes. Same with Augustin.

I get the same feeling with this trade. Okafor on paper is a better player, but Brown feels Chandler gives them what they need to win games. Brown has a methodology that seems to work.

I agree with you about the previous trades, but I don't see Chander as that kind of player. Diaw and Bell do give you a better team concept roster than JRich does, at the expense of some talent. But Okafor is a great teammate, a classy person, and a physical big man that plays defense. He does those team-type of tasks on the court. I don't see how Chandler can hope to fill that role better. I mean, for Diaw and Bell to improve the team, all they had to do was be more efficient than an aging chucker with an attitude. I'm not seeing that type of contrast between Chandler and Okafor. In fact, Okafor looks like the guy on the better end of the spectrum. This has gotta be financial, especially considering Chandler's health concerns. How bad is that toe?

[lolwut]

I know that I vividly remember a healthy T Mac trying to mash on Okafor and getting his attempt viciously thrown.

[bagelred]

This has gotta be financial, especially considering Chandler's health concerns.

Why would it be financial? Okafor is actually CHEAPER in the short run. So what if Okafor has more years on his contract? You could always manage the cap situation down the road differently. Chandler actually COSTS MORE now.

So if its financial, makes no sense.

[Luigi]

Why would it be financial? Okafor is actually CHEAPER in the short run. So what if Okafor has more years on his contract? You could always manage the cap situation down the road differently. Chandler actually COSTS MORE now.

So if its financial, makes no sense.

You know as well as I do that 3 years of a contract makes a big difference. Plus, the Okafor's contract will eventually hit higher values than Chandler's. Is it really so far fetched to believe a team is making decisions for long term financial considerations?

Finances makes more sense than the team-player case too, imo.

[Godfather]

and if you pull up draft Express' bench press ratings you'll see that the people saying he's weaker than certain other bigs out west are completely insane

reps of 185

Emeka = 22
Al Jefferson = 3
Amare = 12

and you know Pau, Dirk, and Tim aren't anywhere near the camp record of 22...set by you guessed it.

Don't listen to Dahser. He bashed Emeka because it fits his argument of Monroe being better than Blake Griffen (Dasher compares Howard to Monroe and Blake to Emeka).

[TMT]

:wtf: Diaw and Bell re-made the team into one of the best in the East 2nd half of the season. Morrison was a bust and begged to be traded. Vlad has been a big improvement considering Ammo was sitting on the bench contributing nothing. Who knows with the latest trade but I can tell you this: Mek was not improving from his rookie year.

Still failed to make the playoffs, and that's all that really matters. All of you who are getting offended by me saying Diaw, Bell for Richardson trade was a Suns win, that's the reason I stated "arguable".

Morrison, Brown to Lakers was still a win for the Lakers. Vlad wasn't contributing well, Brown broke out with the Lakers, and from what I am hearing Morrison was looking like a stud in the summer league and still has much more potential.

It seems to me like the Bobcats are filling their roster with solid role players, but they don't have a main guy on their team who can run the team.

[Luigi]

It seems to me like the Bobcats are filling their roster with solid role players, but they don't have a main guy on their team who can run the team.
Which is why you move Okafor's suffocating contract for a lesser but similar player.

[Dasher]

Don't listen to Dahser. He bashed Emeka because it fits his argument of Monroe being better than Blake Griffen (Dasher compares Howard to Monroe and Blake to Emeka).Still on that? Greg Monroe provides skill level gives coaches way more options offensively than Blake does. The lack of exotic defenses in the NBA would also make Greg's superior driving ability and length that much more effective on the offensive end.

[Godfather]

Still on that? Greg Monroe provides skill level gives coaches way more options offensively than Blake does. The lack of exotic defenses in the NBA would also make Greg's superior driving ability and length that much more effective on the offensive end.

Explain your comments on Emeka now.

And the bull **** you posted concerning strength and athleticism were disproved by lolwut.

[Dasher]

Explain your comments on Emeka now.

And the bull **** you posted concerning strength and athleticism were disproved by lolwut.Not really? A grown man out lifted some high school kids. That same player now suffers from a back injury. Back injuries rob players of their strength, and explosiveness. That's why he does not finish around the rim well. He struggles against good centers, and eats up the hot garbage of the league.

[lolwut]

Not really? A grown man out lifted some high school kids. That same player now suffers from a back injury. Back injuries rob players of their strength, and explosiveness. That's why he does not finish around the rim well. He struggles against good centers, and eats up the hot garbage of the league.


bulllllllllll**** he still posterizes "gargantuan western" players like greg oden around the rim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtyeJ3PV0xQ


that's not struggling to finish...that's mashing.

[Dasher]

bulllllllllll**** he still posterizes "bigger stronger" players like greg oden around the rim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtyeJ3PV0xQHe was barely above the rim, and Greg did little to challenge that bucket. It was a token challenge. Notice both of them got little lift.

[lolwut]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=913lYS8-Kuo

okafor throooooooooowing damp and dirk's weak ****

[lolwut]

He was barely above the rim, and Greg did little to challenge that bucket. It was a token challenge. Notice both of them got little lift.



ROFL you're a complete tool he went straight to the rack hard and punched all over oden

[Dasher]

ROFL you're a complete tool he went straight to the rack hard and punched all over odenNo I am just not impressed with someone "punching" on a Greg Oden who did not go after the ball with force, or someone who blocks players who go to the rim soft like Damp and Dirk.

[CarolinaBlue704]

Still failed to make the playoffs, and that's all that really matters. All of you who are getting offended by me saying Diaw, Bell for Richardson trade was a Suns win, that's the reason I stated "arguable".

Morrison, Brown to Lakers was still a win for the Lakers. Vlad wasn't contributing well, Brown broke out with the Lakers, and from what I am hearing Morrison was looking like a stud in the summer league and still has much more potential.

It seems to me like the Bobcats are filling their roster with solid role players, but they don't have a main guy on their team who can run the team.

the only reason the bobcats missed the playoffs is because bynum broke wallace's ribs.if that didnt happened,charlotte makes the playoffs.

the bobcats got the better end of the diaw/bell for richardson deal,because they charlotte greatly improved from the trade while the suns didn't.

vlad did contribute well.he was a reliable bench player,who played very good while wallace was injured.he brought far more to the team than morrison ever did.BTW,this summer isn't the first time morrison has played good in the summer league.morrison will never be a "stud" as you say.

bottomline,all the bobcats did was improve from all the trades they made last season.stop trying spin it,and make it seem like charlotte got worse.larry brown got guys in return who fit his system.IMO,this okafor/chandler trade is a wash if both guys stay healthy.

[lolwut]

No I am just not impressed with someone "punching" on a Greg Oden who did not go after the ball with force, or someone who blocks players who go to the rim soft like Damp and Dirk.


this argument is almost as retarded as your strength argument...which is something beyond retarded

[TMT]

the only reason the bobcats missed the playoffs is because bynum broke wallace's ribs.if that didnt happened,charlotte makes the playoffs

Injuries are part of the game. Even with Wallace, your chances at the playoffs were slim.


the bobcats got the better end of the diaw/bell for richardson deal,because they charlotte greatly improved from the trade while the suns didn't.

You also lost the top scoring option on your team who was the only person on the team that could make his own shot. That will kill a team in the long run, especially for a team looking to contend, not just for a playoff spot, but to try and go deep into the playoffs.


vlad did contribute well.he was a reliable bench player,who played very good while wallace was injured.he brought far more to the team than morrison ever did.BTW,this summer isn't the first time morrison has played good in the summer league.morrison will never be a "stud" as you say.

I'd say Brown's impact on the Lakers alone made the trade worthwhile for them. Morrison developing would be icing on the cake.


bottomline,all the bobcats did was improve from all the trades they made last season.stop trying spin it,and make it seem like charlotte got worse.larry brown got guys in return who fit his system.IMO,this okafor/chandler trade is a wash if both guys stay healthy.

I think they did, in my opinion. They are trading youth/potential for veterans who would equally benefit the team. When it comes down to it, most of the trades they have made ( that being 2 out of the 3) have, in theory, made this team worse and put them in a situation where contending for a playoff spot will be tougher than before.

[CarolinaBlue704]

Injuries are part of the game. Even with Wallace, your chances at the playoffs were slim.



You also lost the top scoring option on your team who was the only person on the team that could make his own shot. That will kill a team in the long run, especially for a team looking to contend, not just for a playoff spot, but to try and go deep into the playoffs.



I'd say Brown's impact on the Lakers alone made the trade worthwhile for them. Morrison developing would be icing on the cake.



I think they did, in my opinion. They are trading youth/potential for veterans who would equally benefit the team. When it comes down to it, most of the trades they have made ( that being 2 out of the 3) have, in theory, made this team worse and put them in a situation where contending for a playoff spot will be tougher than before.

just stop man,i watched over 60 bobcats games last year alone.i know what im talking about.BTW,the bobcats scoring average went UP after they traded richardson.richardson was nothing more than a black hole on offense.bell and diaw made our offense much better.

and before wallace got injured the bobcats were on a role.they had won 8 out of their last 12 games,and were only 2 games out the playoffs with 37 games left.after wallace got injured they lost 9 out of 12 games.bobcats had a GREAT chance to make the playoffs if not for wallace getting injured.

the bobcats before the trades couldnt even compete on most nights.after the trades they were capabale of beating any team on any given night.i live in charlotte,i know more about how the trades effected the bobcats than you do.so give it up.

[TMT]

just stop man,i watched over 60 bobcats games last year alone.i know what im talking about.BTW,the bobcats scoring average went UP after they traded richardson.richardson was nothing more than a black hole on offense.bell and diaw made our offense much better.

and before wallace got injured the bobcats were on a role.they had won 8 out of their last 12 games,and were only 2 games out the playoffs with 37 games left.after wallace got injured they lost 9 out of 12 games.bobcats had a GREAT chance to make the playoffs if not for wallace getting injured.

Chill out there, bro.

Fact is, best case scenario for your team (if healthy and all) would have been knocking out the struggling Pistons for the final playoff spot and losing to the Cavs in the first round. Really not much of a difference. Even if you made a low playoff spot your team wasn't at a point to contend.


the bobcats before the trades couldnt even compete on most nights.after the trades they were capabale of beating any team on any given night.i live in charlotte,i know more about how the trades effected the bobcats than you do.so give it up.

Now with this statement you are going a bit overboard and your homerism is beggining to show. I know you are a strong supporter of your team. But even with the trades which in your opinion "make such a difference" they are on the bottom half of the weaker conference of the league.

[Quizno]

seriously TMT, you really don't know what you're talking about lol. i don't mean to offend you, i really don't, but it's clear you haven't been following the bobcats at all, which is fine of course, seeing as how you're a spurs fan, but if you're uninformed, maybe it's best to simply not express your opinion?

the bobcats were 27-27 after the trade (not counting the final stretch of road games where the cats were already eliminated from the playoffs), which was a massive improvement from their 6-14 record before the trade. no matter how you spin it, the bobcats improved from that trade and were a respectable team that was able to compete each night. were they the best? hell no. but they could compete, and they achieved moderate success.

oh, and saying that our chances of making the playoffs with wallace were slim really isn't true. i don't think you realize how important g-force is to our offense. he's our number one option and is one of the most high energy players in the league. we're a mess without him.


You also lost the top scoring option on your team who was the only person on the team that could make his own shot.

wallace can take the ball to the rim about as well as a lot of premier small forwards. he can get his own shot.

i'm really not upset or anything, you have your opinions and that's fine, but from what i've seen from your opinions, you're a bit ill-informed. i don't think you've watched enough bobcats games (not that i can blame you :cheers: )

[TMT]

seriously TMT, you really don't know what you're talking about lol. i don't mean to offend you, i really don't, but it's clear you haven't been following the bobcats at all, which is fine of course, seeing as how you're a spurs fan, but if you're uninformed, maybe it's best to simply not express your opinion?

I respect your opinions as a Bobcats fan, even though I don't agree with them. And just as you can express yours, I see no reason not to express mine. You are right though, I can't say I have watched many Bobcats games but I just disagree mostly with the statement made previously that: "after the trade, the bobcats could have beat any team in the league".


the bobcats were 27-27 after the trade (not counting the final stretch of road games where the cats were already eliminated from the playoffs), which was a massive improvement from their 6-14 record before the trade. no matter how you spin it, the bobcats improved from that trade and were a respectable team that was able to compete each night. were they the best? hell no. but they could compete, and they achieved moderate success.

This is what I was trying to get across. They might have improved a tad bit from their low standard of play before the trade, but no way were they one of the best in the league even with full health. Going 27-27 isn't idealy what a team hopes for. And trust me, being a Spurs fan, I can relate when it comes to injury.


oh, and saying that our chances of making the playoffs with wallace were slim really isn't true. i don't think you realize how important g-force is to our offense. he's our number one option and is one of the most high energy players in the league. we're a mess without him.



wallace can take the ball to the rim about as well as a lot of premier small forwards. he can get his own shot.

i'm really not upset or anything, you have your opinions and that's fine, but from what i've seen from your opinions, you're a bit ill-informed. i don't think you've watched enough bobcats games (not that i can blame you :cheers: )

Wallace isn't the most impactful player. Even with him for that stretch, I doubt he would have made an 8 or 9 game difference or enough for you to make a playoff push. I understand he is an important player in your system but isn't that big of a difference maker. Not to mention, I believe Vlad was playing well (not great, but well) while he went down.

[CarolinaBlue704]

Chill out there, bro.

Fact is, best case scenario for your team (if healthy and all) would have been knocking out the struggling Pistons for the final playoff spot and losing to the Cavs in the first round. Really not much of a difference. Even if you made a low playoff spot your team wasn't at a point to contend.



Now with this statement you are going a bit overboard and your homerism is beggining to show. I know you are a strong supporter of your team. But even with the trades which in your opinion "make such a difference" they are on the bottom half of the weaker conference of the league.

first of all.i never said the bobcats were at a point to contend for a title.i said they had a great chance to make the playoffs and most likely would have if not for wallaces injury.it be HUGE for the city of charlotte if the bobcats just make the playoffs.not a big deal for you,but for fans of the bobcats it would a big step forward.

and yes,the bobcats were compatible of beating any team on any given night after the trades.even larry brown mention he thought they had a chance to win every game.if you watched many bobcat games after the trades you would know this.just ask laker fans.the bobcats even gave your spurs 2 very tough games last season.

the only thing beginning to show is that you haven't followed the bobcats very closely.just give it up and worry about your spurs.

[Quizno]

my bad TMT, i shouldn't have said that you shouldn't express your opinion. you have every right to.

but the point that carolinablue was making was that we had the ability to come out and compete with any team after the trade. check out the cats' record vs elite teams, we beat the lakers twice, beat the celtics once and lost in an extremely close game where ray allen hit a buzzer beating 3, lost to the magic 107-102 and if i remember correctly we had a really close game with the spurs in san antonio. before the trade, our chances of even keeping a game close with any elite team were slim to none.

[BeebCats]

I respect your opinions as a Bobcats fan, even though I don't agree with them. And just as you can express yours, I see no reason not to express mine. You are right though, I can't say I have watched many Bobcats games but I just disagree mostly with the statement made previously that: "after the trade, the bobcats could have beat any team in the league".

If you beat the NBA champions 2x, you have a chance to beat any team in the league (in the regular season). It's that simple.

[fos]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=913lYS8-Kuo

okafor throooooooooowing damp and dirk's weak ****

He never blocks dirk in that vid.

[hawkfan]

I don't understand why the Bobcats would do this :confusedshrug:

Okafor was the most senior member of the Bobcats in terms of time with the team - being with the team from its inception. So he had control in the locker room due to seniority.

Now Larry Brown gets control in the locker room again, until he leaves of course.

Kind of like what Dumars did when he dumped Billups - to regain control of the locker room.

The Bobcats are a garbage team with no vision of what they are trying to do.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

If you beat the NBA champions 2x, you have a chance to beat any team in the league (in the regular season). It's that simple.

Two years ago the Wiz took 3 out of 4 against the soon to be champion Celtics. Means nothing.

[Showtime]

Okafor was the most senior member of the Bobcats in terms of time with the team - being with the team from its inception. So he had control in the locker room due to seniority.

Now Larry Brown gets control in the locker room again, until he leaves of course.

Kind of like what Dumars did when he dumped Billups - to regain control of the locker room.

The Bobcats are a garbage team with no vision of what they are trying to do.
Where the **** do you get this ****? You make up stories like this for no reason. You said TC was traded because he did something to piss off Shinn. Now you say Emeka is traded so Brown can get more power in the locker room. Dude, stop your fiction novels because you are a dumbass.

[1~Gibson~1]

Where the **** do you get this ****? You make up stories like this for no reason. You said TC was traded because he did something to piss off Shinn. Now you say Emeka is traded so Brown can get more power in the locker room. Dude, stop your fiction novels because you are a dumbass.
it's hawkfan. he says dumb things, and makes dumb threads.

what did you expect? smart words to appear by his avatar? :oldlol:

[CarolinaBlue704]

Okafor was the most senior member of the Bobcats in terms of time with the team - being with the team from its inception. So he had control in the locker room due to seniority.

Now Larry Brown gets control in the locker room again, until he leaves of course.

Kind of like what Dumars did when he dumped Billups - to regain control of the locker room.

The Bobcats are a garbage team with no vision of what they are trying to do.

okafor never had control of the locker room.raymond felton and wallace are the locker room leaders.okafor has never been a vocal leader.and its funny how a hawks fan says the bobcats are a garbage team with no vision.your hawks were irrelevant for a good what,10 year stretch.

[BeebCats]

Two years ago the Wiz took 3 out of 4 against the soon to be champion Celtics. Means nothing.

That was in the response to "after the trade, the bobcats could have beat any team in the league" being false. Fact is, if they can beat the lakers in the regular season, they can beat any team in the regular season. I'm not saying that makes them better than the lakers.

[gutterballer733]

From just reading through the first and last few pages of this thread it is painfully obvious that many of posters don't know very much at all about the Bobcats past, present, or future. They are not a very high scoring bunch, they play solid defense (when their best defenders aren't injured(Bell/Wallace)), and the only time anyone sees them play is when they are playing your team. They are never nationally televised. This trade is being bashed by everyone who doesn't know anything about the team. With that said, it's very interesting to read.

[bagelred]

From just reading through the first and last few pages of this thread it is painfully obvious that many of posters don't know very much at all about the Bobcats past, present, or future. They are not a very high scoring bunch, they play solid defense (when their best defenders aren't injured(Bell/Wallace)), and the only time anyone sees them play is when they are playing your team. They are never nationally televised. This trade is being bashed by everyone who doesn't know anything about the team. With that said, it's very interesting to read.

So what's your point? Tell us what you think of the trade and give YOUR analysis.

[bagelred]

I thought you guys might find this interesting. Here's the online poll from the Charlotte Observer asking if Charlottons (is that right?) liked the trade. Seems they don't know what to make of it either:


Courtesy: Charlotte Observer

http://i25.tinypic.com/2lk5ez9.jpg

[Travis007]

The advantage of the trade is 60:40 in favor of the Hornets. Chandler had good stats in the 07/08 season but lacks a consistent offensive game, and his stats are inflated with the help of Chris Paul. Okafor would be small for a center but can put up a double-double every night, and should get better stats playing with CP3. The move however does further screw up the Hornets financial situation...

[bagelred]

The move however does further screw up the Hornets financial situation...

No it does not. Why do people keep saying that? It HELPS their financial situation.

The Hornets will save $2.6 million this year with salary difference/luxury tax. And it will save Hornets $2.7 million NEXT year, assuming Hornets over luxury tax as well.

Why are you worried about 2011? That's 2 years away. Hornets have plenty of time to make moves to make sure they are under luxury tax during that year and beyond......

[bagelred]

ISH hates this trade so much, they refuse to make it a Sticky. Fascinating.

[gutterballer733]

So what's your point? Tell us what you think of the trade and give YOUR analysis.
My point is, half of the posters are spewing false information and biased opinions.

As for my opinion of the trade, I think that it is a wash for both teams. Okafor and Chandler both needed a change of scenery and they got it with this trade. The Hornets are not getting a "great" deal here like a lot of people are indicating. Okafor was nothing more than a glorified role player (who is paid like a star) even for a team like the Bobcats. While he does posses slightly more offensive skills than Chandler, it is not as wide a gap as some might think. And for the person who said Okafor was a locker room leader, he most definitely was not. Okafor averaged a double double for his career, although his ppg and rpg have both declined for the past three seasons. Chandler has also averaged a double double over past three seasons with the Hornets. One "major issue" of Chandler's was his fragile health, but he has played in at least 71 game in 6 or 8 seasons. I dont consider that a major problem. A change of scenery trade that will do good for both players if you ask me.

[NotYetGreat]

Good trade for the Hornets. I'm not sure, though about the Bobcats. Emeka is improving.

[poido123]

My point is, half of the posters are spewing false information and biased opinions.

As for my opinion of the trade, I think that it is a wash for both teams. Okafor and Chandler both needed a change of scenery and they got it with this trade. The Hornets are not getting a "great" deal here like a lot of people are indicating. Okafor was nothing more than a glorified role player (who is paid like a star) even for a team like the Bobcats. While he does posses slightly more offensive skills than Chandler, it is not as wide a gap as some might think. And for the person who said Okafor was a locker room leader, he most definitely was not. Okafor averaged a double double for his career, although his ppg and rpg have both declined for the past three seasons. Chandler has also averaged a double double over past three seasons with the Hornets. One "major issue" of Chandler's was his fragile health, but he has played in at least 71 game in 6 or 8 seasons. I dont consider that a major problem. A change of scenery trade that will do good for both players if you ask me.

Dude, usually consensus of opinion means there is a strong case in that favour, being that Hornets got the better end of this deal..Any dummy can see that Okafor is better than Chandler, and probably has more upside too..This isnt what you should be arguing, what you should be arguing is that Bobcats are looking to the future to free up cap space, and part ways with a player who wont carry the team to a championship, and carries a contract that extends further than Chandler's, therefore Bobcats saw this as more a future in mind move...

[mamba24]

Lol HOF players should never run, manage or own nba teams...MJ might have had the will to win when he played...but he clearly sucks in this role...

infact he is the greatest player to play the game....and on the other end...the worst GM in the history of any sports...

MJ take a bow

[RoseCity07]

Lol HOF players should never run, manage or own nba teams...MJ might have had the will to win when he played...but he clearly sucks in this role...

infact he is the greatest player to play the game....and on the other end...the worst GM in the history of any sports...

MJ take a bow

Jerry West was a pretty good GM. I know what you mean though. McFail seems like a success compared to MJ in the GM world.

[gutterballer733]

Dude, usually consensus of opinion means there is a strong case in that favour, being that Hornets got the better end of this deal..Any dummy can see that Okafor is better than Chandler, and probably has more upside too..This isnt what you should be arguing, what you should be arguing is that Bobcats are looking to the future to free up cap space, and part ways with a player who wont carry the team to a championship, and carries a contract that extends further than Chandler's, therefore Bobcats saw this as more a future in mind move...
I hate to keep bumping this thread, but I have to do it. Consensus of uneducated opinions means nothing. You must have been part of the "consensus" that voted for George Bush too....The part that got me though, was saying that Okafor has more upside than Chandler is foolish. He had his best season as a rookie and has not shown any signs of improving. With that said, I don't see Chandler having all that much upside either, but more than Emeka for sure.

[Lebron23]

The New Orleans Hornets looks like a good team on papers.


Starting 5

C- Emeka Okafor
F- David West
F- Peja Stojakovic
G- James Posey
G- Chris Paul

Bench

C- Hilton Armstrong
F- Rasual Butler
F- Julian Wright
G- Morris Peterson
G- Marcus Thornton

G- Antonio Daniels
G- Darren Collison