Soul/R&B Draft- Anybody Interested?

[Interminator]

Similar rules to the Hip Hop Draft.

1. Draft at least 5 Soul/R&B singers with your picks in 7 Rounds, The team that could make the best song together wins.

2. Soul/R&B singers who double as songwriters

3. Soul/R&B singers who double as producers

4. Soul/R&B singers who double as musicians(instruments)

5. 12 Hour pick limit, If you're too busy to make a pick PM me with multiple selections and if that person is not selected I will slot the artist at your pick number. This speeds up the Draft.

6. Groups may be selected, but if a member of the Group is drafted previously, You only retain the remaining members of the Group.





1.dab0yech0 - Aretha Franklin
2.L.Kizzle - James Brown
3.Dasher - Wilson Pickett
4.Bankshot - Otis Redding
5.Boozehound - Booker T & M.G.'s
6.Interminator - Stevie Wonder
7.Triangleoffense - Earth Wind & Fire
8.RBP - Marvin Gaye
9.BlazersDozen - Al Green

10.BlazersDozen - Luther Vandross
11.RBP - The Temptations
12.Triangleoffense - The Jackson 5
13.Interminator - Quincy Jones
14.Boozehound - Solomon Burke
15.Bankshot - Sam & Dave
16.Dasher - Prince
17.L.Kizzle - Sly & The Family Stone
18.dab0yech0 - Ray Charles

19.dab0yech0 - Sam Cooke
20.L.Kizzle - Jackie Wilson
21.Dasher - Burt Bacharach
22.Bankshot - Isaac Hayes
23.Boozehound - Ike & Tina Turner
24.Interminator - Dionne Warwick
25.TriangleOffense - B.B King
26.RPB - Tower of Power
27.BlazersDozen - Pick Missed

28.BlazersDozen - Pick Missed
29.RBP - Gladys Knight & The Pips
30.Triangleoffense - Pick Missed
31.Interminator - Smokey Robinson & The Miracles
32.Boozehound - Bill Withers
33.Bankshot - The Bar-Kays
34.Dasher - Bobby Womack
35.L.Kizzle - Kenny Gamble & Leon Huff
36.dab0yech0 - The Dells

37.Interminator - Curtis Mayfield
38.dab0yech0 - Jerry Butler
39.L.Kizzle - The Love Unlimited Orchestra
40.Bankshot - King Curtis
41.Boozehound - Duane Allman
42.Triangleoffense - Pick Missed
43.RBP -
44.Dasher -




Draft so far.

[Snoop_Cat]

Out of curiosity, how do you guys "VS." each other in these music drafts...

[dab0yech0]

count me in, this is my kinda music.

[boozehound]

sure, Im interested. SHould be interesting to see the directions people take this. Next up, jazz draft!

[BlazersDozen]

I'm into soul so sign me up!

[32jazz]

Count me in. I already have about 4 or 5 Giants in mind , but I have to think of some 'sleepers' to take this thing.

[Interminator]

Out of curiosity, how do you guys "VS." each other in these music drafts...
:confusedshrug:

Votes.

Just like the NBA All Time Draft.

[triangleoffense]

I'll sign

[BankShot]

count me in

[Interminator]

Need 3 more people.

[BankShot]

To clarify, this is only singers??

[triangleoffense]

when is this draft going to take place?

[Dasher]

I'm in. Even though point systems, and and the idea of people winning are kinda silly in these exercises.

[32jazz]

Need 3 more people.

What are your rules on on them being an 'instrumentalist'? They have to be either consistently credited on their records(studio) or do they have to frequently perform live or both:confusedshrug: Or is it simply up to your discretion?

R&B has a tradition(especially after the 60's) for being more vocals oriented although some have classical/church training ,but it sometimes takes a backseat to their great vocals/performing.

Jimi Hendrix started out as a Blues/R&B musician ,but could not hack it as a soloist because he was an awful singer/songstylist.

[triangleoffense]

I'm in. Even though point systems, and and the idea of people winning are kinda silly in these exercises.

yea I don't see how you can objectively grade something that deals with music. It would still be fun comparing each other's picks though

[L.Kizzle]

I'm down.

[Interminator]

To clarify, this is only singers??
Soul/R&B singers, groups, songwriters, etc.

[Interminator]

when is this draft going to take place?
Once we get 10 people, I'll PM everyone when it starts.

[Interminator]

What are your rules on on them being an 'instrumentalist'? They have to be either consistently credited on their records(studio) or do they have to frequently perform live or both:confusedshrug: Or is it simply up to your discretion?
Both.

Stevie Wonder plays the piano, but he goes uncredited for playing the harmonica.

Prince performs with a guitar, but doesn't play guitar on his albums.



R&B has a tradition(especially after the 60's) for being more vocals oriented although some have classical/church training ,but it sometimes takes a backseat to their great vocals/performing.

Jimi Hendrix started out as a Blues/R&B musician ,but could not hack it as a soloist because he was an awful singer/songstylist.
Yes.

If an artist is known to play an instrument, it makes the song better.

We're basically judging on the best song, obviously a song with maybe 2 good vocalists, 2 dancers(mainly), a 50's songwriter, and a mediocre backing band without their leader.

So basically dont throw Curtis Mayfield on a track with T-Pain.

[Interminator]

Need 1 more person.

[L.Kizzle]

Both.

Stevie Wonder plays the piano, but he goes uncredited for playing the harmonica.

Prince performs with a guitar, but doesn't play guitar on his albums.

Prince plays guitar on all his albums (he doesn't play on every song however, for example, the solo from Little Red Corvette was done by Dez Dickerson).

[BankShot]

Bump. We need one more person.

[L.Kizzle]

Bump. We need one more person.
rbp hopefully.

[Interminator]

Prince plays guitar on all his albums (he doesn't play on every song however, for example, the solo from Little Red Corvette was done by Dez Dickerson).
I meant the entire album, but you get my drift.

[BankShot]

Bump. We need one more person.
:cheers:

[Interminator]

Need just 1 more person.

[BankShot]

Need just 1 more person.

How much longer until we just do it with 9? Instead of heads-up matches, we could have pools of 3

[Interminator]

How much longer until we just do it with 9? Instead of heads-up matches, we could have pools of 3
I'll give it until 8 PM ET , thats when I'll start the Draft.

[32jazz]

I'll give it until 8 PM ET , thats when I'll start the Draft.
Should I just PM you a list with my choices in order? I'll be gone at 8. And don't steal my choices:D

[Interminator]

Should I just PM you a list with my choices in order? I'll be gone at 8. And don't steal my choices:D
No problem, send 2 picks just in case 1 has already been taken.

[BankShot]

No problem, send 2 picks just in case 1 has already been taken.

Whats the draft order going to be??? It would be nice to know before 8 because i'm most likely going out tonight.

[BlazersDozen]

Yeah, I'm probably leaving tonight also.

[Interminator]

Whats the draft order going to be??? It would be nice to know before 8 because i'm most likely going out tonight.
Join Date.

[BlazersDozen]

So make the order...

[Dasher]

Join Date.Kizzle, Dabs, and I all joined in June of 2006.

[BankShot]

Join Date.

Thats kinda bogus, even though that would make me #4... and what do you do for those that are all in the same month??

Just randomize it.

[BankShot]

I'll give it until 8 PM ET , thats when I'll start the Draft.

Its 8:05 EST lets start this up.

[Interminator]

1.dab0yech0 - Aretha Franklin
2.L.Kizzle - James Brown
3.Dasher - Wilson Pickett
4.Bankshot - Otis Redding
5.Boozehound - Booker T & MSGS
6.Interminator - Stevie Wonder
7.BlazersDozen
8.32Jazz
9.Triangleoffense

Draft so far.

[dab0yech0]

I select Aretha Franklin:

http://www.tvoneblogs.com/thespin/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/aretha-franklin-art.jpg

Singer, songwriter and pianist commonly referred to as "The Queen of Soul." Although renowned for her soul recordings, Franklin is also adept at jazz, rock, blues, pop, R&B and gospel. In 2008, the American music magazine Rolling Stone ranked Franklin #1 on its list of The Greatest Singers of All Time.

Franklin is one of the most honored artists by the Grammy Awards, with 20 Grammys to date, which include the Living Legend Grammy and the Lifetime Achievement Grammy. She has scored a total of 20 #1 singles on the Billboard R&B Singles Chart, two of which also became #1 hits on the Billboard Hot 100: "Respect" (1967) and "I Knew You Were Waiting (For Me)" (1987), a duet with George Michael. Since 1961, Franklin has scored a total of 45 "Top 40" hits on the Billboard Hot 100 chart.

In 1987, Franklin became the first female artist to be entered into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Franklin was the featured singer at the 2009 Presidential inauguration ceremony for Barack Obama.

Top 10 US Hot 100 singles
Year Title Peak
1967 "I Never Loved a Man (The Way I Love You)" 9
1967 "Respect" 1
1967 "Baby I Love You" 4
1967 "(You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman" 8
1967 "Chain of Fools" 2
1968 "(Sweet Sweet Baby) Since You've Been Gone" 5
1968 "Think" 7
1968 "The House That Jack Built" 6
1968 "I Say a Little Prayer" 10
1971 "Bridge Over Troubled Water" / "Brand New Me" 6
1971 "Spanish Harlem" 2
1971 "Rock Steady" 9
1972 "Day Dreaming" 5
1973 "Until You Come Back to Me (That's What I'm Gonna Do)" 3
1985 "Freeway of Love" 3
1985 "Who's Zoomin' Who" 7
1987 "I Knew You Were Waiting (For Me)" (with George Michael) 1

[L.Kizzle]

I select Aretha Franklin I'm on my phone and my browsers trippin but I will post my reasons for why later.
Wow, can't believe I got this guy with the second pick. With the Second pick in the Soul/R&B draft who else but the Godfather of it all, "The Hardest Working Man In Showbusiness" ""Mr. Dynamite ... "

JAMES BROWN
http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/7/1/6/9/12939617-12939619-large.jpg
Good Gawd.

Singer / Songwriter / Arranger / Composer / Producer / Musician (drums/keyboards/harmonica/percussion/rhythm guitar) / Dancer / Bandleader / Showstopper

Has charted 130 songs on the charts from 1956 through 1995.

[Interminator]

Dash you're up.

[Dasher]

Dasher selects:
Wilson Pickett

http://theyearinmusic.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/wilsonpickett.jpg

This pick will come as a surprise to some, but Wilson Pickett is barnone one of the greatest singers to ever touch a mic. This Pratville, Alabama native and 1991 Rock N Roll Hall of Fame inductee was known for his ability to make even the blandest pop song into emotional tour de force. His voice is not as pretty as his contemporaries like Sam Cooke, and more refined than others like Otis Redding. Wilson also was very comfortable with his rock and disco contemporaries, performing with The Allman, Brothers and the Bee Gees on occasion. His hits include. Wilson often murdered the original versions of people songs. If Wilson decided to cover your joint, you knew you were in trouble:

In the Midnight Hour (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iphrbdj7xSc)

Mustang Sally (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfuHgzu1Cjg)

Land of a 1000 Dances (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U8CDzRk2WE)

I'm In Love (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwjxHzg-PgM)

Hey Jude w Duane Allman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWwUIXyqeao)

I Found a Love (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2VR0ZDq8NY)

634-5789 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My2apquxKKQ)

Everybody Needs Somebody to Love (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9yIoVuUM-M)

Performing w/James Brown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24KKwn0iVhU)

[LJJ]

Got my doubts about the pick, but that is a nice post Dash. :applause: Listening to the songs right now.

We need posts like that; Tell a something about your pick, how it's going to work in the group; post some songs.

not posts like "Aretha Franklin, lol, posting from my phone."

[Interminator]

Bankshot you're up next.

[triangleoffense]

that's messed up, we're going by join date?

[Interminator]

that's messed up, we're going by join date?
Yeah.

Elders are given respect here.

Bump for Bankshot, clear out your PM's.

[BankShot]

I can't believe he fell this far, but boy am I glad to be able to choose, IMO the penultimate soul singer, the immortal Otis Redding.

http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photo_StoryLevel/071210/071210_otisRedding_hmed4p.hmedium.jpg

"He would come in the door with the whole song, the whole recording, in his mind, and he'd tell all of us what he wanted. He'd come over there and sing to us 'da da ta da ta da da da da' (Fa Fa, The Sad Song) and get in your face with his fists and do that to ya." Wayne Jackson, the Memphis Horns, Stax studio musician

"Otis gonna help you get to a different place; Otis gonna come in and [he]'s gonna hum the horn parts, the bass parts, and get you the parts, then go up on the microphone and start stompin' pigeon toe and knockin' it dead. He was just unbelievable." David Porter, Stax songwriter/producer

As a singer, songwriter, and musician, Otis Redding became the face and heart of the Memphis-based Stax Records label in the mid-60s, and to many is synonymous with soul. Fusing blues, gospel, and pop music, he created a gamut of rhythm and blues masterpieces from hip-shakin', get on your feet and dance, numbers like "Hard to Handle", "Tramp" and "I Need Your Lovin", to breathtakingly heartfelt ballads such as "A Woman, a Lover, a Friend" and "Cigarettes and Coffee".

In terms of his contribution to the pantheon of Southern Soul which I'm creating, its not only his ability to write timeless classic songs, but more importantly his vision of a song in its entirety and his drive to make that come to fruition.

Its too bad, there are so many Otis songs I'd want to share with those who care, but the Youtube selection is paltry at best.

Hard to Handle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZxN9iQM7OY&feature=related
Try A Little Tenderness (Live)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dael4sb42nI
A Change is Gonna Come
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTMuwUe4YhE
These Arms of Mine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-FQL-tJ3ic
Pain in My Heart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdyecbJMLZ0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=MdyecbJMLZ0)
I've Been Loving You Too Long
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTgvsA-2B74
Look at the Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p10vTerVeCw&feature=related

If anyone knows a way to link to songs that aren't on Youtube, let me know because there are so many great Otis tracks I'd love to share in this thread.

If not, check these out on your own:
A Woman, A Lover, A Friend
The Happy Song
Fa, Fa, Fa (Sad Song)
Cigarettes & Coffee
Let Me Come on Home
I've Got Dreams to Remember
You Made a Man Out of Me
Nobody's Fault But Mine
Thousand Miles Away
Champagne and Wine
I Need Your Lovin'
Thats How Strong My Love Is
A Little Time

Just to name a few :cheers:

[BankShot]

Bump for Bankshot, clear out your PM's.

PM's cleared

[Dasher]

I have to drop out of the draft. I won't be posting for awhile.

[Interminator]

I have to drop out of the draft. I won't be posting for awhile.
Just PM me 10 picks, and whoever isnt Drafted will be on your lineup.

[BankShot]

Just PM me 10 picks, and whoever isnt Drafted will be on your lineup.

I just say f*ck it. If he PMs you a list by the time he's up again then fine, otherwise we can just move on.

[boozehound]

Ok, sorry guys, Gotta just post my pick and run. Ill flesh it out tomorrow morning or so.

I will respect the sanctity of Dasher's Pickett pick (though he is probably my favorite singer in the genre).

I will start with the foundation. I choose Booker T and the MGs. This group played on many of the seminal hits of the pinnacle era of soul as the stax-volt studio band. In addition, they had a successful string of instrumental hits (most notably green onions). Individual members have gone on and continue to be relevant to this day (booker T and the Drive-by Truckers have a new album).

again, Ill add some links and bio later.

[L.Kizzle]

Ok, sorry guys, Gotta just post my pick and run. Ill flesh it out tomorrow morning or so.

I will respect the sanctity of Dasher's Pickett pick (though he is probably my favorite singer in the genre).

I will start with the foundation. I choose Booker T and the MGs. This group played on many of the seminal hits of the pinnacle era of soul as the stax-volt studio band. In addition, they had a successful string of instrumental hits (most notably green onions). Individual members have gone on and continue to be relevant to this day (booker T and the Drive-by Truckers have a new album).

again, Ill add some links and bio later.
I didn't really read the instructions yet, but you can pick a whole backing band?

[Interminator]

I didn't really read the instructions yet, but you can pick a whole backing band?
Yep.

You gotta draft the artist & Band, or you can just pick that specific artist and leave the Band on the Board.

[Interminator]

I gotta get ready for work but with my 1st Round pick I take Stevie Wonder.

http://groupieblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/stevie-wonder.jpg

One of the greatest multi talented artists of any music genre, Stevie Wonder is an accomplished pianist as well as an accomplished hermonica player. With 20 R&B #1 songs, along with 25 Grammy's he has undoubtedly etched a legacy that is impossible to duplicate by another Soul/R&B singer. Stevie Wonder is well known for being an artist capable of crafting an entire song on his own, from topic, to lyrics, and to instruments played.

Stevie has too many Classics to name, but a few songs that I will hold dear to my heart.

Isnt She Lovely (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2WzocbSd2w)

Never Dreamed You'd Leave In Summer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxPtkwhsaOI)

[RainierBeachPoet]

i just got back from vacation...

still looking for a tenth?

[boozehound]

i just got back from vacation...

still looking for a tenth?
DashAss may have dropped out. CHeck with intermator.

[Interminator]

i just got back from vacation...

still looking for a tenth?
Yeah, join in at #10.

Dash submitted picks, so he'll have his 7 picks as long as nobody drafts some of the strange artists he selected.

[BankShot]

Bumping it for BlazersDozen

[RainierBeachPoet]

Yeah, join in at #10.

Dash submitted picks, so he'll have his 7 picks as long as nobody drafts some of the strange artists he selected.

thanks

i have my lineup ready

[Interminator]

BD where u at?

[BankShot]

Its been 36 hours, I say BlazersDozen gets bumped to the bottom of the list, and 32jazz is up.

[Interminator]

Its been 36 hours, I say BlazersDozen gets bumped to the bottom of the list, and 32jazz is up.
Yeah I agree.

[RainierBeachPoet]

interminator, are you PMing the guys?

:sleeping :sleeping

seems like this is moving kinda slow...


i say take control and bump people after 6-12 hours so it motivates guys to log in and make their picks

[L.Kizzle]

interminator, are you PMing the guys?

:sleeping :sleeping

seems like this is moving kinda slow...


i say take control and bump people after 6-12 hours so it motivates guys to log in and make their picks
12 hours is good, 6 is not enough time. What about folks who gotta work.

Who's up now?

[Interminator]

interminator, are you PMing the guys?

:sleeping :sleeping

seems like this is moving kinda slow...


i say take control and bump people after 6-12 hours so it motivates guys to log in and make their picks
Yeah I PM'ed BD and 32Jazz.

[playtetris]

i'm watching this draft with great interest. excellent posts & picks so far. y'all are showing the n00bs in the hip hop draft how to participate in these threads.

[BankShot]

i'm watching this draft with great interest. excellent posts & picks so far. y'all are showing the n00bs in the hip hop draft how to participate in these threads.

Yeah I was really looking forward to this, and I thought we had some participants that would take it seriously and pay attention to when it was their turn in the draft.

I was wrong. :confusedshrug:

Bump it for jazz32 ITS YOUR TURN

[triangleoffense]

good pick Interminator, I was going to go with Stevie at #1.

[BankShot]

good pick Interminator, I was going to go with Stevie at #1.

F*ck this its been over 24 hours since BD got bumped and Jazz32 was PMed that it was his turn to pick.

If Interminator isn't going to make the call, I will and face the consequences.

Triangleoffense, You're Up. :cheers:

[triangleoffense]

Earth Wind and Fire is mine

[RainierBeachPoet]

Earth Wind and Fire is mine

solid pick with maurice white and philip bailey
:cheers:

[BankShot]

Earth Wind and Fire is mine

I appreciate you drafting in a timely matter, but could we get a little more about your pick and why you chose them?? How they'd fit into your vision of your Soul team?? Some of your favorite tracks??

RBP You're Up. (2:35 EST)

[BankShot]

1. dab0yech0 - Aretha Franklin
2. L.Kizzle - James Brown
3. Dasher - Wilson Pickett
4. Bankshot - Otis Redding
5. Boozehound - Booker T & MSG's
6. Interminator - Stevie Wonder
7. Triangleoffense - Earth, Wind, & Fire
8. RBP - Marvin Gaye
9. BlazersDozen - Al Green
10. 32Jazz - ????



Let's keep this rolling guys :cheers:

[Interminator]

Let's keep this rolling guys :cheers:
Bumped after Bump.

[RainierBeachPoet]

i choose the same 1st round pick i had in the music draft:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_npVuxx3medM/R6-60pXE31I/AAAAAAAAC5c/RtEjG1Bd2Lk/s400/marvingaye.jpg

marvin gaye


Essential Songs
I Heard It Through the Grapevine
Sexual Healing
Ain’t No Mountain High Enough (with Tammi Terrell)
How Sweet It Is (To Be Loved by You)
Mercy Mercy Me (The Ecology)
Trouble Man
Ain’t That Peculiar
Stubborn Kind of Fellow

What’s Going On?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtUMa0FtuWY

Let’s Get It On
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEtx2YTcD94

[BankShot]

So that brings it back to BlazersDozen (3:57 PM EST), who hasn't responded to PMs or any of the constantly bumped posts.

Should we give him 6 hours instead of the usual 12, since he basically abandoned the thread/draft???

[triangleoffense]

Here is some info on earth, wind and fire. I wasn't able to post anything before since I'm leeching internet off my neighbors and it goes in and out.

From wiki:


Earth, Wind & Fire is an American (http://www.insidehoops.com/wiki/United_States) R&B (http://www.insidehoops.com/wiki/R%26B) band formed in Chicago (http://www.insidehoops.com/wiki/Chicago), Illinois (http://www.insidehoops.com/wiki/Illinois), in 1969 and led by founder Maurice White (http://www.insidehoops.com/wiki/Maurice_White). Also known as EWF, the Elements or the Elements of the Universe, the band has won 10 Grammy Awards (http://www.insidehoops.com/wiki/Grammy_Awards) and four American Music Awards (http://www.insidehoops.com/wiki/American_Music_Awards). They have been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (http://www.insidehoops.com/wiki/Rock_and_Roll_Hall_of_Fame) and the Vocal Group Hall of Fame (http://www.insidehoops.com/wiki/Vocal_Group_Hall_of_Fame).[1] (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/#cite_note-ROCKHALL-0)[2] (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/#cite_note-VOCALGROUP-1) They have sold over 90 million albums worldwide earning them a place on the list of best-selling music artists (http://www.insidehoops.com/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists) where they are ranked as the seventh best selling American band of all time.[3] (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/#cite_note-2)[4] (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/#cite_note-allmusic-3) Rolling Stone (http://www.insidehoops.com/wiki/Rolling_Stone) Magazine has described Earth, Wind & Fire as "innovative, precise yet sensual, calculated yet galvanizing" and has also declared that the band "changed the sound of black pop".[5] (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/#cite_note-rolling-4) Earth, Wind & Fire were also ranked at number 60 on VH1 (http://www.insidehoops.com/wiki/VH1)'s list of the 100 Greatest Artists of Rock & Roll.[6 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/#cite_note-ROCKONTHENET-5)

Founding members of the band are Maurice White, Wade Flemons and don whitehead. Notable songs are shining star, september, sing a song, lets groove, imagination and spirit.

[boozehound]

he has posted today. saw him in another thread.

Blazers Dozen that is.

[BankShot]

he has posted today. saw him in another thread.

Blazers Dozen that is.

Yeah i've seen him and jazz signed on when it was their pick.

I say f*ck em and bounce them from the draft all together.

[BlazersDozen]

I select...

Al Green
http://blogs.sltrib.com/burger/uploaded_images/algreen-703242.jpg

[BankShot]

I select...

Al Green
http://blogs.sltrib.com/burger/uploaded_images/algreen-703242.jpg

Alright Jazz32 is now up (5:58 PM EST)

If anyone sees him in a thread please give him a heads up and/or remind him he's still in this ***cough****blazersdozen**cough**

Also, if Jazz doesn't post a pick by tomorrow morning, its back to you BD so PLEASE be ready for this one. :cheers:

[BankShot]

I'm not knocking some of the participants in the draft, but could we put a little more effort into the presentation of our selections??

Something a little more than a cut-and-paste Wikipedia entry, and the titles of their most well-known songs?? We're in a Soul/R&B draft, so I figure we all know what the popular songs by, for instance, Marvin Gaye or Otis Redding.

Give some insight into your pick; why you enjoy them, why they'd be good in a Soul or R&B supergroup, and what role they'd play in the performance, writing, and/or producing of their songs.

[BankShot]

six hours is fair; then just go the next person

Six hours is a bit too quick for the participants that are actually trying to keep up with it, and are making their selections in a reasonable time frame.

BlazersDozen forgot he was in the draft :banghead:, so IMO he's back to the 12-hour selection time.

Its Jazz32's turn, so unless anyone disagrees I'd be fine only giving him 6 hours to realize he's in the draft and that its his turn. He already got bumped once because we waited over 24 hours for him to choose.

Unless there's disagreement from the participants, or Interminator since techinically its his draft although I'm kinda taking over, Jazz32 has until Midnight EST to make his decision before he's completely out of the draft.

[Interminator]

Six hours is a bit too quick for the participants that are actually trying to keep up with it, and are making their selections in a reasonable time frame.

BlazersDozen forgot he was in the draft :banghead:, so IMO he's back to the 12-hour selection time.

Its Jazz32's turn, so unless anyone disagrees I'd be fine only giving him 6 hours to realize he's in the draft and that its his turn. He already got bumped once because we waited over 24 hours for him to choose.

Unless there's disagreement from the participants, or Interminator since techinically its his draft although I'm kinda taking over, Jazz32 has until Midnight EST to make his decision before he's completely out of the draft.
Thats cool I'll PM him another heads up about it.

[BankShot]

Thats cool I'll PM him another heads up about it.

Just did. :cheers:

[Interminator]

Just did. :cheers:
I just did too.:oldlol:

[BankShot]

I just did too.:oldlol:

Are we doing a serpentine draft?? I kinda assumed so, as it kinda equalizes the initial advantage of drafting first.

[Interminator]

Are we doing a serpentine draft?? I kinda assumed so, as it kinda equalizes the initial advantage of drafting first.
Yep.

[BankShot]

Bump.

32jazz you've got til Midnight EST or you're out of the draft for good.

[BankShot]

Bumping it... again.

32jazz has a little more than 2 hours to either make his selection or let the other participants know he's still on board, or he's out for good.

BlazersDozen, you're up after 32jazz so from approximately Midnight EST to Noon EST tomorrow, you'll have your crack at the second round.

[BankShot]

32jazz has officially missed his slot twice, making him out of the draft.

With the 1st pick of the second round, BlazersDozen selects Luther Vandross (1:43 AM EST)

http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Luther-Vandross.jpg

RainierBeachPoet, you're on the clock

[BankShot]

1.dab0yech0 - Aretha Franklin
2.L.Kizzle - James Brown
3.Dasher - Wilson Pickett
4.Bankshot - Otis Redding
5.Boozehound - Booker T & MSG's
6.Interminator - Stevie Wonder
7.Triangleoffense - Earth Wind & Fire
8.RBP - Marvin Gaye
9.BlazersDozen - Al Green

10.BlazersDozen - Luther Vandross
11.RBP - The Temptations
12.Triangleoffense - The Jackson 5
13.Interminator - Quincy Jones
14.Boozehound -
15.Bankshot -
16.Dasher -
17.L.Kizzle -
18.dab0yech0 -

:cheers:

[RainierBeachPoet]

with my second pick, i choose


the temptations


http://www.findagrave.com/photos/2006/217/2260_115487882905.jpg


with the soulful, gritty and versatile voices of david ruffin and eddie kendricks, i believe that i have a good set of voices augment the silky smooth voice of my first pick, marvin gaye.

also, by picking a whole group, i have a proven backup set of voices that would compliment gaye

live version of "my girl"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDNbHyoOpn0

live version of "aint too proud to beg"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ7xgEEvuno&feature=related

"losing you" live version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjJgGgmYKoE&feature=related

live version "just my imagination"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQumkGaWAso&feature=related



"I heard in [his voice] a strength my own voice lacked,"
said Marvin Gaye,
who added that Ruffin's work
"made me remember that when a lot of women listen to music, they want to feel the power of a real man."

[BankShot]

Nice pick RBP.... triangleoffense is now up (9:00 AM EST)

[triangleoffense]

Seeing how I chose a band last time i'll choose Jackson 5.

wiki anyone


The Jackson 5 (also spelled The Jackson Five or The Jackson 5ive, and later known as The Jacksons) were an American popular music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_popular_music) family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson_family) group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_ensemble) from Gary, Indiana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary,_Indiana). Founding group members Jackie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Jackson), Tito (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tito_Jackson), Jermaine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jermaine_Jackson), Marlon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlon_Jackson) and Michael (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson) formed the group after performing in an early incarnation called The Jackson Brothers, which originally consisted of a trio of the three older brothers. Active from 1964 to 1989, the Jacksons played from a repertoire of R&B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhythm_and_blues), soul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul_music), pop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_music) and later disco (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco). During their six and a half-year Motown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motown_Records) tenure, The Jackson 5 were one of the biggest pop-music phenomena of the 1970s[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jackson_5#cite_note-amg_5-0), and the band served as the launching pad for the solo careers of their lead singers Jermaine and Michael, the latter brother later transforming his early Motown solo fame into greater success as an adult artist

Notable songs: I want you back, give me one more chance, ABC, shake your body (down to the ground), I'll be there, Who's loving you. Although this band featured the undisputed king of pop, Jackson 5's roots began in Soul and R&B.

[Interminator]

Seeing how I chose a band last time i'll choose Jackson 5.

wiki anyone



Notable songs: I want you back, give me one more chance, ABC, shake your body (down to the ground), I'll be there, Who's loving you. Although this band featured the undisputed king of pop, Jackson 5's roots began in Soul and R&B.
L.Kizzle disregard my PM, there is no point in making this Draft "complicated" by only Drafting 1 Band.

TO how does EWF work with Jackson 5?
Its not like we're just stockpiling names, its what would work best on a song. 2 bands?:confusedshrug:

[boozehound]

L.Kizzle disregard my PM, there is no point in making this Draft "complicated" by only Drafting 1 Band.

TO how does EWF work with Jackson 5?
Its not like we're just stockpiling names, its what would work best on a song. 2 bands?:confusedshrug:
Im presuming that the j5 would dance and sing while EWF would provide the music. J5 were a band only in the broadest sense (most of the music on the records is by the funk brothers).

[triangleoffense]

Its not like we're just stockpiling names, its what would work best on a song. 2 bands?:confusedshrug:

I thought the point was to just pick out as many cool soul band/artists as we can. I never knew they had to compliment each other or whatever.

[boozehound]

I thought the point was to just pick out as many cool soul band/artists as we can. I never knew they had to compliment each other or whatever.
the idea is to build a soul group. Much like the original music draft and hip hop draft were to build a band that complements each other.

Something like wilson pickett and al green pulling a sam and dave harmonization over EWF (to use artists already picked).

Question for intermator. You cant pick a studio collective like the funk brothers right? Only artists that released albums/songs as themselves? That was my impression.

[BankShot]

L.Kizzle disregard my PM, there is no point in making this Draft "complicated" by only Drafting 1 Band.

TO how does EWF work with Jackson 5?
Its not like we're just stockpiling names, its what would work best on a song. 2 bands?:confusedshrug:

TO, remember that when drafting the Jackson 5, you are only getting the talent and success Michael enjoyed while with the Jackson 5.

Also, the Jackson 5 themselves didn't write or play music on any of their recorded songs (that would be The Corporation and The Funk Brothers, respectively), so with the Jackson 5 you are only getting their vocal ability to add to your supergroup.

C'mon guys we're supposed to be the top classic Soul/R&B fans on ISH, so lets put on a clinic for those that are just reading or keeping up with the thread/draft to learn or for entertainment. Lets put more than a cut-and-paste Wikipedia article and their most well known songs. Explain why your selections would work well with each other performing and in songwriting.

Not to pick on you TO, but while I individually enjoy the Jackson 5 and EWF separately, they don't seem like they'd necessarily be a good top-2 picks in terms of writing a song and being a supergroup.

[Interminator]

Anyways with my 2nd Round Pick I select Quincy Jones.
http://content.cdlib.org/dynaxml/data/13030/qx/hb9q2nb6qx/files/hb9q2nb6qx-FID5.jpg

Jones, a talented musician in his own right, is also a well known music producer known for arranging classic music for many artists in the Soul/R&B genre. Quincy Jones has covered Stevie Wonder songs before and both collaborated on the slow version of Superstition where Stevie provided Harmonica in the background. They once again collaborated on We Are The World in 1985, a song Quincy Jones co-produced.

[BankShot]

the idea is to build a soul group. Much like the original music draft and hip hop draft were to build a band that complements each other.

Something like wilson pickett and al green pulling a sam and dave harmonization over EWF (to use artists already picked).

Question for intermator. You cant pick a studio collective like the funk brothers right? Only artists that released albums/songs as themselves? That was my impression.

I would guess that using the Funk Brothers or The Corporation (Motown) would be too much... I also thought that the original rules were that you needed to have a singer (which is why I thought the Booker T pick was a little off base) since i specifically asked if it was only singers.

Not knocking the Booker T pick, as they backed my favorite soul artists ever, and Steve Cropper is the one guitarist I would have most wanted to live the life of.

Don't think you're getting the Memphis Horns/Mar Kays with the Booker pick though :cheers:

[BankShot]

Nice pick with Quincy Jones, especially since he and Stevie (your first pick) have worked together in the past.

Boozehound, you're up. :cheers:

[Interminator]

Question for intermator. You cant pick a studio collective like the funk brothers right? Only artists that released albums/songs as themselves? That was my impression.
Thats fine, You can also select songwriters, producers, conducters, dancers etc.

[triangleoffense]

yea sorry about that. I misunderstood the rules. There's 7 rounds so I'll try to make it up in the remaining 5. That or unless you guys want to give me a re-pick.

[Interminator]

I would guess that using the Funk Brothers or The Corporation (Motown) would be too much... I also thought that the original rules were that you needed to have a singer (which is why I thought the Booker T pick was a little off base) since i specifically asked if it was only singers.

Not knocking the Booker T pick, as they backed my favorite soul artists ever, and Steve Cropper is the one guitarist I would have most wanted to live the life of.

Don't think you're getting the Memphis Horns/Mar Kays with the Booker pick though :cheers:

Yeah I knew this would appear a little too complicated, its tough drafting in this genre.

All you need is 1 backing Band or someone whether a 00's era production outfit team capable of crafting a beat, you can draft as many singers as you want but I've never really been a fan of Acapella singing.:D

[Interminator]

yea sorry about that. I misunderstood the rules. There's 7 rounds so I'll try to make it up in the remaining 5.
Its no problem, and honestly I would pay my own money if I could watch EWF as the backing band for the Jackson 5.

[BankShot]

1.dab0yech0 - Aretha Franklin
2.L.Kizzle - James Brown
3.Dasher - Wilson Pickett
4.Bankshot - Otis Redding
5.Boozehound - Booker T & M.G.'s
6.Interminator - Stevie Wonder
7.Triangleoffense - Earth Wind & Fire
8.RBP - Marvin Gaye
9.BlazersDozen - Al Green

10.BlazersDozen - Luther Vandross
11.RBP - The Temptations
12.Triangleoffense - The Jackson 5
13.Interminator - Quincy Jones
14.Boozehound - Solomon Burke
15.Bankshot - Sam & Dave
16.Dasher - Prince
17.L.Kizzle -
18.dab0yech0 -
19.32Jazz -


I just think its nice having this to see on each page of the thread. :cheers:

[LJJ]

With the whole group drafting thing, I don't get these picks:

3.Dasher - Wilson Pickett (instead of The Falcons)
8.RBP - Marvin Gaye (instead of the Marquees)

[BankShot]

With the whole group drafting thing, I don't get these picks:

3.Dasher - Wilson Pickett (instead of The Falcons)
8.RBP - Marvin Gaye (instead of the Marquees)

Because had Dash selected The Falcons, he only would have been able to consider the musical stylings and success of Wilson Pickett while with The Falcons.

When assessing the supergroups in entirety, it would have been like "In the Midnight Hour" never happened. Plus, I could have gone in and selected post-Falcons Pickett with one of my draft choices.

[boozehound]

WTF? I hate google chrome. Just lost my post.

Ok, With my 2nd pick I select the originator (in some people's opinions) Solomon Burke. His early 60s recordings with Atlantic helped define soul as a distinct musical style. His background in gospel (he was a preacher beforehand) was a huge influence on his secular music.
Worked closely with Bert Berns on some of his early "hits", most notably "everybody needs somebody to love". Never had the commercial success of some of the other 60s soul legends, but is right there with his range and vocal power. Still recording today, he released a great album of songs composed for him by bob dylan, elvis costello, brian wilson, tom waits and others. His most recent release "Nashville" bridges soul music and quality country (i.e. not twang-pop like todays nashville scene).

Considered by many to be a seminal figure in soul, this fat man is one hell of a bad ass!

Some of his early works (though most videos are from much later)
Cry to me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEu8DrO9PbY)
I cant stop loving you (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nagSXCKcJf0)
Down in the Valley (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7-AfasYhvQ)
Tonights the Night (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KUE1zgUIak)
Bridge of Life - from the 70s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0-7bl0ZTKk)
Everybody needs someone to love - riff taken from his preaching days (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbseZp1nbDg)
Another version with the RS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAPXC9g6sNg)

Newer stuff (Imagine BT and the MGs playing these stripped arrangements!)
Dont Give up on me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNicOAn0EwI)
None of us are free (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hv6sQXI1WY)
Same song by Skynrd- sorry had to post (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoMoOgftp4I)
Fast Train - apparently the Wire used it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BcrbEexjYw)
Catch up to my step - weird live techno version with Junkie XL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMvBOz58LbA)
Your the kind of trouble - from his country album (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcaQkMp-qrM)
Flesh and Blood (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C0gm-OqWso)
try a little tenderness (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwSUSW_ATvs)

[Interminator]

Because had Dash selected The Falcons, he only would have been able to consider the musical stylings and success of Wilson Pickett while with The Falcons.

When assessing the supergroups in entirety, it would have been like "In the Midnight Hour" never happened. Plus, I could have gone in and selected post-Falcons Pickett with one of my draft choices.
Exactly.

BankShot is on the same page.

[LJJ]

Because had Dash selected The Falcons, he only would have been able to consider the musical stylings and success of Wilson Pickett while with The Falcons.


Nowhere in the rules does it say this.


When assessing the supergroups in entirety, it would have been like "In the Midnight Hour" never happened. Plus, I could have gone in and selected post-Falcons Pickett with one of my draft choices.

Uhm, no? You can't have any group members that are previously drafted, so obviously the reverse should be true as well?

[LJJ]

Nice pick Booze. Burke is still going strong.

[BankShot]

My second round, 15th overall, draft pick just absolutely HAS to go the most successful Soul duo in history:

Sam & Dave

http://image.listen.com/img/356x237/3/8/1/0/1130183_356x237.jpg

Other than Aretha Franklin, no other Soul act during Sam & Dave's Stax years (1965-68) had more consistent R&B chart success than one of the most dynamic and exciting performing duos that Soul music has ever seen, Sam & Dave. Sam Moore and Dave Prater's body of work was crafted by the recording genius of Stax, was backed by Booker T & the MG's with the Memphis horns, and will forever be a great example of how different the southern Stax label was from its contemporaries in the north.

Also known as "Double Dynamite," "The Sultans of Sweat," and the "Dynamic Duo," Sam & Dave brought the sounds of the black church to popular music, and gained renown for their absolutely electrifying live act in Stax venues in the mid-Sixties. Not only did was live act known by fans of soul across the south, but commanded respect by fellow musicians to the point where Otis Redding himself preferred not to follow Sam & Dave on stage because they riled up the crowd so much that it was difficult to follow with Otis' R&B ballads.

As for fitting into my vision of a Southern Soul Supergroup, I don't know if I can even dream up a more exciting and energetic live performance than Otis, Sam, and Dave. Sam & Dave aren't song writers, but with Otis coming into the studio with the entire layout of a song in mind, I can't imagine why these three couldn't build the on-stage and in-studio chemistry akin to the Temptations or the Four Tops, with just a little more dirty soul and funk :cheers:

Absolute must-see: Hold On I'm Comin live on the Stax-Volt tour of Europe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_juH0AHvwk&feature=related
Soothe Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55yCPWdIz84
Soul Man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B26ORjxQdNA

Other Notables you should check out:
I Take What I Want
You Don't Know What You Do To Me
I Thank You
Wrap It Up
You Don't Know Like I Know

[BankShot]

Nowhere in the rules does it say this.


Uhm, no? You can't have any group members that are previously drafted, so obviously the reverse should be true as well?

Umm, yes. By picking the Falcons, one would have had the Wilson Pickett selections ONLY from his time with the Falcons, just like when picking the Jackson 5, TO can't use MJ's solo career.

1.) The draft coordinator, Interminator, agrees and said my explanation was spot-on
2.) You're not in the draft so STFU

[triangleoffense]

Sorry guys I can't give a thorough explanation, I just got invited to go golfing and I have to leave right now. But don't worry I'll give a lengthy explanation of the artist, some good tracks, and how their style fits with the band.

My second round, 15th overall, draft pick just absolutely HAS to go the most successful Soul duo in history:

Sam & Dave

good pick. hold on i'm coming is epic.

[boozehound]

Sorry guys I can't give a thorough explanation, I just got invited to go golfing and I have to leave right now. But don't worry I'll give a lengthy explanation of the artist, some good tracks, and how their style fits with the band.

My second round, 15th overall, draft pick just absolutely HAS to go the most successful Soul duo in history:

Sam & Dave
great pick. almost went with them, but I think im gonna create my own perfect soul harmony. Surprised one particular singer is still on the board.

[Interminator]

great pick. almost went with them, but I think im gonna create my own perfect soul harmony. Surprised one particular singer is still on the board.
I know who it is, I feel bad for not taking him.

[BankShot]

great pick. almost went with them, but I think im gonna create my own perfect soul harmony. Surprised one particular singer is still on the board.

Yeah there's one in particular I can think of that I'm incredibly surprised hasn't been chosen yet. I was considering him, but decided I had enough song-writing via Otis and the next pick I'm going to make.

Too big of a Sam & Dave fan to let them drop any further... imagine the performances with Otis, Sam, & Dave dancin vibin and screamin all over the place

[LJJ]

2.) You're not in the draft so STFU

You can shut the **** up and go suck on your mothers strap-on that she just used to abuse your latent ***got father.

[Interminator]

Via previous PM, Dasher selects Prince.

http://www.trueprincestories.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/PrinceWendyPurpleRain.jpg

[BankShot]

You can shut the **** up and go suck on your mothers strap-on that she just used to abuse your latent ***got father.

I'm sorry, who the f*ck are you, and why are you arguing the rules of a draft of which you have absolutely no part?? Get a life dou.chebag.

[LJJ]

LMAO, what a steal by Dasher.

And is that weak shit all that you have left? I was just trying to clear stuff up, that is a good thing. You then proceeded to show how much of a puss you are by getting your panties in a bunch. And then you can't even finish what you started.

Got any more original acronyms in store for me, huh? :rolleyes:

[BankShot]

LMAO, what a steal by Dasher.

And is that weak shit all that you have left? I was just trying to clear stuff up, that is a good thing. You then proceeded to show how much of a puss you are by getting your panties in a bunch. And then you can't even finish what you started.

Dude you need to just leave and let us enjoy our draft. No one else had questions about it, and when an external d*ck did, it was taken care of quite quickly. So if you don't have anything productive to add to the draft other than shouting out obscenities about mothers and dildos, please just STFU and/or leave.

[LJJ]

Dude you need to just leave and let us enjoy our draft. No one else had questions about it, and when an external d*ck did, it was taken care of quite quickly. So if you don't have anything productive to add to the draft other than shouting out obscenities about mothers and dildos, please just STFU and/or leave.
No, your input has been really good. "I can't explain because I had to go out golfing". But you still ain't golfing. Could have contributed more, but I guess you just didn't feel like it.

And now suddenly you are concerned about people not adding anything "productive" (ehr, wrong word kiddo) again. :rolleyes:

Complaining like a little bitch about obcenities when you yourself are the one who started with that.

[boozehound]

Dude you need to just leave and let us enjoy our draft. No one else had questions about it, and when an external d*ck did, it was taken care of quite quickly. So if you don't have anything productive to add to the draft other than shouting out obscenities about mothers and dildos, please just STFU and/or leave.
I like having external posters (both knowledgable like LJJ and newbies) comment in the draft. particularly on specific picks, artist combinations, etc.

That being said, could you continue the insults via PM?

[RainierBeachPoet]

Yeah I knew this would appear a little too complicated, its tough drafting in this genre.

All you need is 1 backing Band or someone whether a 00's era production outfit team capable of crafting a beat, you can draft as many singers as you want but I've never really been a fan of Acapella singing.:D

maybe i am a bit confused as to the goal too. do these original rules from the first post still apply?


1. Draft at least 5 Soul/R&B singers with your picks in 7 Rounds, The team that could make the best song together wins.

2. Soul/R&B singers who double as songwriters provide double points

3. Soul/R&B singers who double as producers provide double points

4. Soul/R&B singers who double as musicians(instruments) provide double points

what exactly do the "points" mean?

[BankShot]

I like having external posters (both knowledgable like LJJ and newbies) comment in the draft. particularly on specific picks, artist combinations, etc.

That being said, could you continue the insults via PM?

Yeah its great when people who aren't in the draft come in and actually add to the discussion instead of troll through and try to incite arguments with people for no reason. Believe me I'd love for other people with knowledge of the artists and the idea of what we're going for to come in and share their knowledge of the great genre of Soul Music.

[playtetris]

some interesting picks coming from the usual suspects (rbp, booze, dash), and some new talent (interminator came through nicely with quincy and stevie, bankshot). i love where rbp is going; the temptations with marvin would be vocally breathtaking.

[BankShot]

1.dab0yech0 - Aretha Franklin
2.L.Kizzle - James Brown
3.Dasher - Wilson Pickett
4.Bankshot - Otis Redding
5.Boozehound - Booker T & M.G.'s
6.Interminator - Stevie Wonder
7.Triangleoffense - Earth Wind & Fire
8.RBP - Marvin Gaye
9.BlazersDozen - Al Green

10.BlazersDozen - Luther Vandross
11.RBP - The Temptations
12.Triangleoffense - The Jackson 5
13.Interminator - Quincy Jones
14.Boozehound - Solomon Burke
15.Bankshot - Sam & Dave
16.Dasher - Prince
17.L.Kizzle -
18.dab0yech0 -

Draft so far.

You're up L.Kizzle

[L.Kizzle]

Man, I'm up, I choose in a while. I got two in mind right now.

[BankShot]

Man, I'm up, I choose in a while. I got two in mind right now.

Thanks for the heads up on your timeframe of selection.

I could think of a couple that would nicely compliment the Godfather of Soul...

[L.Kizzle]

TO, remember that when drafting the Jackson 5, you are only getting the talent and success Michael enjoyed while with the Jackson 5.

Also, the Jackson 5 themselves didn't write or play music on any of their recorded songs (that would be The Corporation and The Funk Brothers, respectively), so with the Jackson 5 you are only getting their vocal ability to add to your supergroup.

C'mon guys we're supposed to be the top classic Soul/R&B fans on ISH, so lets put on a clinic for those that are just reading or keeping up with the thread/draft to learn or for entertainment. Lets put more than a cut-and-paste Wikipedia article and their most well known songs. Explain why your selections would work well with each other performing and in songwriting.

Not to pick on you TO, but while I individually enjoy the Jackson 5 and EWF separately, they don't seem like they'd necessarily be a good top-2 picks in terms of writing a song and being a supergroup.
So with this pick, (adult) Michael Jackson can't be picked right? If TO would have picked the Jacksons, he would have had adult Mike right?

[pete's montreux]

I'm still waiting for a few to be drafted, who I thought would definitely be first or second round.

[L.Kizzle]

I'm actually surprised King Solomon went this high. Well, with my pick, it was hard, but I gotta go with, are you ready ...


http://blast-from-thepast.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/slystone.jpg

SLY & THE FAMILY STONE
Underdog (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMQQcniF2Bg)
Dance to the Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQiaBu8dB-w)
Hot Fun in the Summertime (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NVVe1DkVsQ)
Runnin' Away (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDm1tWhxUMk)


I wanted a backing band who was Funky (to go along with the Godfather) yet, could rock it out and play some mid-tempo/slow numbers along with singing and writing/producing. The other backing band I wanted didn't do all these things ...

I also had another band in mind, then realized it was Soul and R&B.



Now I got the Godfather and the Family Stone ... y'all wait for my other pick coming soon ...

[playtetris]

nice, kizzle :applause:
i had a feeling you were going to pick a backing band like sly or k&tg

[BankShot]

Nice pick with Sly and the Family, they've got a b*tchin rhythm section.

dab0yech0 you're up with next with the last pick in the second round.

We waited for 32jazz on two picks, and he hasn't said anything in the thread about still wanting to be in the draft, so I say f*ck him and move on to round three. If anyone disagrees let their voice be heard.

That means that dab0yech0 has back-to-back picks. :cheers:

[BankShot]

Bump for dab0yech0... last pick was 9:00 PM EST

[boozehound]

I'm actually surprised King Solomon went this high. Well, with my pick, it was hard, but I gotta go with, are you ready ...


http://blast-from-thepast.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/slystone.jpg

SLY & THE FAMILY STONE
Underdog (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMQQcniF2Bg)
Dance to the Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQiaBu8dB-w)
Hot Fun in the Summertime (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NVVe1DkVsQ)
Runnin' Away (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDm1tWhxUMk)


I wanted a backing band who was Funky (to go along with the Godfather) yet, could rock it out and play some mid-tempo/slow numbers along with singing and writing/producing. The other backing band I wanted didn't do all these things ...

I also had another band in mind, then realized it was Soul and R&B.



Now I got the Godfather and the Family Stone ... y'all wait for my other pick coming soon ...
good pick. That would be an awesome band for JB. I was thinking of picking them (instead of the MGs, but I really wanted the classic stax-volt sound as the foundation for my group). Thought about waiting a round for Burke, but I wanted him and I thought he might get picked. Im surprised a couple are still up there. Hopefully they will be there for my next pick.

[L.Kizzle]

good pick. That would be an awesome band for JB. I was thinking of picking them (instead of the MGs, but I really wanted the classic stax-volt sound as the foundation for my group). Thought about waiting a round for Burke, but I wanted him and I thought he might get picked. Im surprised a couple are still up there. Hopefully they will be there for my next pick.
Trust me, Burke wasn't gonna get picked anytime soon, that's why I'm surprised you took him in the second round.

[BankShot]

good pick. That would be an awesome band for JB. I was thinking of picking them (instead of the MGs, but I really wanted the classic stax-volt sound as the foundation for my group). Thought about waiting a round for Burke, but I wanted him and I thought he might get picked. Im surprised a couple are still up there. Hopefully they will be there for my next pick.

There are two or three specifically that I am truly surprised fell this far.

[pete's montreux]

There are two or three specifically that I am truly surprised fell this far.

We're probably thinking of the same few.

[BankShot]

Trust me, Burke wasn't gonna get picked anytime soon, that's why I'm surprised you took him in the second round.

Agreed... he was maybe a 4th round consideration at the earliest for me.

[dab0yech0]

With my first pick I took Aretha Franklin. Some posters criticized me for the pick but I made it on both what I thought was best available and need. First of all, the talent gap between Aretha and the next female singer is monumental. Aretha is by far the best female singer ever and it doesn't even come close. Even when ranked against men, Aretha still got the title of Greatest Singer of All Time according to Rolling Stone. Aretha also brings a huge range as she can do jazz, rock, blues, pop, R&B and gospel.



I select Ray Charles and Sam Cooke:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/img/amg/pop_artists/DRP100/P183/P18370RW4SP.jpg

IMO Ray Charles was a steal for me at this point. He is so versatile as everyone knows he can play the piano but he can also play the saxophone. He also merged '50s R&B with gospel-powered vocals, adding plenty of flavor from contemporary jazz, blues, and (in the '60s) country. Elements of country & western and big-band jazz have infused his music. I could argue that in Ray Charles, I selected the most well rounded talent of all time.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/74/SCooke.jpg/220px-SCooke.jpg
This is a Soul/R&B Draft and I just selected the guy who literally sings from his soul. Sam Cooke synthesized a blend of gospel music and secular themes which at the time could be argued as the foundation for soul music. Not only does he bring his voice to my team, but he also has talent as a writer/producer and has his own label SAR records.

so far I have:
Aretha - big voice, plays the piano, song writer
Ray Charles - singer, plays the piano and saxophone, songwriter
Sam Cooke - soulful voice, writer/producer

[BankShot]

1.dab0yech0 - Aretha Franklin
2.L.Kizzle - James Brown
3.Dasher - Wilson Pickett
4.Bankshot - Otis Redding
5.Boozehound - Booker T & M.G.'s
6.Interminator - Stevie Wonder
7.Triangleoffense - Earth Wind & Fire
8.RBP - Marvin Gaye
9.BlazersDozen - Al Green

10.BlazersDozen - Luther Vandross
11.RBP - The Temptations
12.Triangleoffense - The Jackson 5
13.Interminator - Quincy Jones
14.Boozehound - Solomon Burke
15.Bankshot - Sam & Dave
16.Dasher - Prince
17.L.Kizzle - Sly & The Family Stone
18.dab0yech0 - Ray Charles

19.dab0yech0 - Sam Cooke
20.L.Kizzle -
21.Dasher -
22.Bankshot -
23.Boozehound -
24.Interminator -
25.TriangleOffense -
26.RPB -
27.BlazersDozen -

You're up again Kizzle, after a hell of a power move by dab to combine Aretha with Sam Cooke and Ray Charles. How it will all fit together we will soon see.

[boozehound]

Agreed... he was maybe a 4th round consideration at the earliest for me.
He ( or Ray charles) are the original soul singers. Everyone else is a copycat. Plus his dont give up on me album from 05? or so is the best soul album in decades.

Good picks Dabs. Definitely surprised both fell this far. I almost grabbed cooke with my 2nd rounder.

[BankShot]

He ( or Ray charles) are the original soul singers. Everyone else is a copycat. Plus his dont give up on me album from 05? or so is the best soul album in decades.

Good picks Dabs. Definitely surprised both fell this far. I almost grabbed cooke with my 2nd rounder.

Yep those were the two I was surprised had fallen as far as they did.

[dab0yech0]

Thanks guys, I was really surprised they were available at this point. Also, I noticed that some people are posting info on the singers like their top hits and albums and others are posting their roles in their group, Im guessing its better to just post how our picks will work in our group as opposed to cutting and pasting Wikipedia info?

[BankShot]

Thanks guys, I was really surprised they were available at this point. Also, I noticed that some people are posting info on the singers like their top hits and albums and others are posting their roles in their group, Im guessing its better to just post how our picks will work in our group as opposed to cutting and pasting Wikipedia info?

I'd personally love it if people put more effort into presenting their selections outside of a cut-and-pasted Wikipedia entry, and a short list of their biggest hits.

We're all in a Soul/R&B draft so I'm assuming we all know the major hits of these artists, especially those in the first round. Give us some deeper tracks that we may not have heard before, or at least not in a while.

Talk about why you picked that artist over the many other top-notch Soul/R&B artists available, either in terms of your own personal preference or in terms of the vision of the team you're attempting to build.

[RainierBeachPoet]

With my first pick I took Aretha Franklin. Some posters criticized me for the pick but I made it on both what I thought was best available and need. First of all, the talent gap between Aretha and the next female singer is monumental. Aretha is by far the best female singer ever and it doesn't even come close. Even when ranked against men, Aretha still got the title of Greatest Singer of All Time according to Rolling Stone. Aretha also brings a huge range as she can do jazz, rock, blues, pop, R&B and gospel.



those who question aretha as the number one pick are ignorant. if i had the top pick, i would have chose her for your stated reason
:pimp:

[BankShot]

Bump.

Kizzle's 12-hour period runs out at 1:00 PM EST; if he doesn't make his selection, how much longer to participants want to wait before his pick gets bumped to the end of the round??

[BankShot]

1.dab0yech0 - Aretha Franklin
2.L.Kizzle - James Brown
3.Dasher - Wilson Pickett
4.Bankshot - Otis Redding
5.Boozehound - Booker T & M.G.'s
6.Interminator - Stevie Wonder
7.Triangleoffense - Earth Wind & Fire
8.RBP - Marvin Gaye
9.BlazersDozen - Al Green

10.BlazersDozen - Luther Vandross
11.RBP - The Temptations
12.Triangleoffense - The Jackson 5
13.Interminator - Quincy Jones
14.Boozehound - Solomon Burke
15.Bankshot - Sam & Dave
16.Dasher - Prince
17.L.Kizzle - Sly & The Family Stone
18.dab0yech0 - Ray Charles

19.dab0yech0 - Sam Cooke
20.L.Kizzle - Jackie Wilson
21.Dasher - Burt Bacharach
22.Bankshot - Isaac Hayes
23.Boozehound -
24.Interminator -
25.TriangleOffense -
26.RPB -
27.BlazersDozen -

Once again, I think its nice having the order and draftees on each page of the thread

[L.Kizzle]

I guess I'm gonna have to go with "Mr. Excitement" Jackie Wilson here. I got to.

More info later, I'm at work now.

[boozehound]

I guess I'm gonna have to go with "Mr. Excitement" Jackie Wilson here. I got to.

More info later, I'm at work now.
heres a vid of him my wife likes.
Higher and higher (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1odvp-_bhk)

[Interminator]

maybe i am a bit confused as to the goal too. do these original rules from the first post still apply?


1. Draft at least 5 Soul/R&B singers with your picks in 7 Rounds, The team that could make the best song together wins.

2. Soul/R&B singers who double as songwriters provide double points

3. Soul/R&B singers who double as producers provide double points

4. Soul/R&B singers who double as musicians(instruments) provide double points

what exactly do the "points" mean?
Eh, just Ignore it for now.

From the way the Draft is going I am not sure if we're going to do voting by Points.

[BankShot]

Eh, just Ignore it for now.

From the way the Draft is going I am not sure if we're going to do voting by Points.

Dasher's turn in the draft.

Interminator, do you still have a list of Dash's choices so you could draft for him?

[Interminator]

Via PM, For the 3rd Round Dasher selects Burt Bacharach
http://www.definitivejux.net/files/u3/burt_bacharach.jpg

[Interminator]

Dasher's turn in the draft.

Interminator, do you still have a list of Dash's choices so you could draft for him?
Yep.

[BankShot]

Via PM, For the 3rd Round Dasher selects Burt Bacharach
http://www.definitivejux.net/files/u3/burt_bacharach.jpg

Well that sure is an interesting twist.... we'll have to wait and see how Wilson Pickett, Prince, and Burt Bacharach will work together.

[boozehound]

yeah, I like burt B but hes no Bert B(erns). Hes a very solid songwriter, but his style is a little poppy compared to the raw, emotive soul style I plan on going for. Still, a great arranger/songwriter. That would be one hell of a show. Per usual, I am thinking of this as a lineup for a live show more so than a studio situation. My personal preference.

[dab0yech0]

Well that sure is an interesting twist.... we'll have to wait and see how Wilson Pickett, Prince, and Burt Bacharach will work together.

Definitely surprised but I like this twist. Its gonna open it up for more surprise picks in this draft.

[BankShot]

With my third round pick, 22nd overall, I choose Black Moses himself, Isaac Hayes

http://www.silverstatechronicles.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/isaachayes.jpg

While Hayes had a very productive solo career in the early 1970s with 'Hot Buttered Soul' and 'The Isaac Hayes Movement,' his greatest impact and source of influence in the progression of Soul and R&B music lies in his work as a studio musician (piano, organ, saxophone), writer, and producer, for the Memphis-based Stax label in the late 1960s.

His first paid sessions with Stax were on the keys with Otis Redding, filling in for Booker T. Jones while he was at Indiana University studying music full-time. Though it's often assumed that Booker T played on all the Stax session recordings (Sam & Dave, Otis Redding, Eddie Floyd, Wilson Pickett, and Albert King to name a few), Hayes often stepped in on the occasions that Jones was unavailable, and on several sessions Jones and Hayes played together; one on organ, one on piano.

Not long after, co-writer and producer David Porter suggested to Hayes that they collaborate as songwriters, forming the 'Soul Children.' These two eventually wrote songs for, or had their songs recorded by:

Otis Redding, Sam & Dave, Aretha Franklin... more will be revealed as they're drafted or after the draft, per Kizzle's request.

"Soul Man," originally recorded by Sam & Dave and later revived by The Blues Brothers Band, has been recognized as one of the most influential songs of all time by the Grammy Hall of Fame, Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, and Rolling Stone Magazine. Influenced by the turmoil of the African-American Civil Rights Movement, it was, at the time, the highest selling Billboard hit that in its title incorporated the word "soul" to African-american-influenced R&B.

Isaac Hayes fits in perfectly with Otis, Sam, and Dave, in creating a Southern Soul supergroup, as Hayes not only provided part of the pulse of many anthemic Stax songs, but also was responsible for writing numerous songs, even some recorded by fellow Bankshot draftees. Hayes and Redding will be the brainchildren behind writing the songs, and Hayes on the keys is the first piece in creating the back-up band for the group.

[BankShot]

Boozehound is up (2:30 PM EST)
:cheers:

[BankShot]

Bump it for Boozehound

1.dab0yech0 - Aretha Franklin
2.L.Kizzle - James Brown
3.Dasher - Wilson Pickett
4.Bankshot - Otis Redding
5.Boozehound - Booker T & M.G.'s
6.Interminator - Stevie Wonder
7.Triangleoffense - Earth Wind & Fire
8.RBP - Marvin Gaye
9.BlazersDozen - Al Green

10.BlazersDozen - Luther Vandross
11.RBP - The Temptations
12.Triangleoffense - The Jackson 5
13.Interminator - Quincy Jones
14.Boozehound - Solomon Burke
15.Bankshot - Sam & Dave
16.Dasher - Prince
17.L.Kizzle - Sly & The Family Stone
18.dab0yech0 - Ray Charles

19.dab0yech0 - Sam Cooke
20.L.Kizzle - Jackie Wilson
21.Dasher - Burt Bacharach
22.Bankshot - Isaac Hayes
23.Boozehound - Ike & Tina Turner
24.Interminator - Dionne Warwick
25.TriangleOffense - B.B King
26.RPB -
27.BlazersDozen -

[boozehound]

Boozehound is up (2:30 PM EST)
:cheers:
well **** a brick. lots of good picks left and lots of directions I could go. I think Ill choose a guy who played piano on what is considered the first RnR record ever (rocket 88) and was one of the most successful producers of RnB during its heyday (imo).

Thats right *****es, Im adding Ike and Tina Turner (and the Ikettes) to my dreamteam!
While tina may have had some commercial success post-Ike, its clear that her best work was while under the thumb of IKE. Ike was a notable musician, but was perhaps best as a producer/arranger.

Most noted for proud mary and river deep mountain high (two hits which have gone on to transcend the genre), they also had numerous hits such as shake your tail feather (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnwlHnvWH4Q) and nutbush city limits (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Titkm21tMG0)


Wish I could find their version of sweet rhode island red and some of the other raw cuts.
heres a sample
Cant turn you loose (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwQVeoDMQTE)
Whole Lotta Love (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guVgk6k1vaE)
Honky Tonk Woman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLBuTkIPbSA)
Come Together (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-ZBYZZWJbk)
Check this Early Jam-includes my favorite "work out fine" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI1EN6GCGc0)
Ive been loving you too long (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilpVhUu27KM)
Live in france, including sweet soul music and son of a preacher man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUMv7cgEgW0)
There is a 4 part live in mexico of them on you tube as well, but imma post this so that I dont lose it.
While Tina is nowhere near Aretha in terms of vocal aptitude, I feel that her throaty and emotive style will complement my ubergroup. Shes really just the icing on my ikecake. Ike is a consummate arranger (without being too polished IMO) and talented multi-instrumentalist and would mesh beautifully with the MGs (throw a little fender rhodes into the mix)

[dab0yech0]

couple of nice picks in Isaac Hayes and Ike and Tina. This might be the best draft ever held on this board, tons of creative picks. Might be the best crop of GMs.

[Interminator]

I select Dionne Warwick.

http://www.audiography.com.au/images/Albums/S_A060409-01_Dionne%20Warwick_No%20Night%20So%20Long.jpg

Will explain later.

[RainierBeachPoet]

ahh boozeh

great minds think alike--i was going to take tina with my next pick...:ohwell:

back to the drawing board...

[BankShot]

Bump

triangle offense, you're up (4:20 PM EST)

[triangleoffense]

tell me if this is illegal... I choose B.B King. He's somewhat of a rock'n'roll/blues guitarist but some could argue that he put elements of soul into his music. One of the greatest guitarists to grace a pick. I mean come on.. someone chose prince? He's in the rock'n'roll hof as well.

edit: lol my name would come up at 4:20

[BankShot]

tell me if this is illegal... I choose B.B King. He's somewhat of a rock'n'roll/blues guitarist but some could argue that he put elements of soul into his music. One of the greatest guitarists to grace a pick. I mean come on.. someone chose prince? He's in the rock'n'roll hof as well.

edit: lol my name would come up at 4:20

Well he is a blues guitarist, and has some R&B-oriented songs in his catalog, so my vote would be that its alright to draft him. I personally would have gone with either of the other Kings (Freddie or Albert) because their music was more of a departure from classic blues than B.B.

Also, not sure why you'd grab B.B. King for a soul band when you've already got Earth, Wind, and Fire, to back them, but to each his own and I guess we'll just have to see how you incorporate him.

RainierBeachPoet, your'e up (6:20 PM EST)

[triangleoffense]

Also, not sure why you'd grab B.B. King for a soul band when you've already got Earth, Wind, and Fire, to back them, but to each his own and I guess we'll just have to see how you incorporate him.
I need one of the best guitarists of all time to back up one of the best vocals of all time (jackson 5) and then I'll have EWF sing backup vocals.

edit: typo

[L.Kizzle]

Will trades be allowed on this draft?

[BankShot]

Will trades be allowed on this draft?

I wouldn't be against it... not specified in the rules but I don't see why not if both parties agree :confusedshrug:

[triangleoffense]

B.B king in the third round :P how is that not a steal

[BankShot]

B.B king in the third round :P how is that not a steal

While a well-respected artist with great longevity, I'm not really a huge B.B. King fan. Not taking anything away from what he's done nor his impact on the progression of the Blues, but other than his vibrato he's just kinda average to me.

Especially given that this is a Soul/R&B draft, and the likes of <<censored>>, are available, I wouldn't really call it a steal.

However, the draft's not over and there's plenty of time to see how your entire set of selections pan out and work together as a group.

[RainierBeachPoet]

for my band, i choose


tower of power



i want a creative and powerful horn section to give unique fillers to marvin, kendricks and ruffin-- TOP fits the bill


they have never forgotten or betrayed their soulful roots as a r&b/funk band. they still perform live after 40 years and are still considered a great live performance

TOP has evolved over the years, but the constant has been a renewed sound from their original music plus many different collaborations with diverse artists. they will highlight any song that my vocals put together

[triangleoffense]

Especially given that this is a Soul/R&B draft, and the likes of Albert King, Freddie King, members of the Funk Brothers, and heck even Duane Allman, are available, I wouldn't really call it a steal.

weird pick I know but I badly needed an amazing guitarist or another sort of instrument. I really like B.B King's bluesly/soul guitar sound and I think it would sound great with amazing pop-y soul vocals, especially backed up by EWF.

How do you figure anyone will pick Duane Allman? He's more rock/jam band, the allman brothers was the first jam band.

[pete's montreux]

weird pick I know but I badly needed an amazing guitarist or another sort of instrument. I really like B.B King's bluesly/soul guitar sound and I think it would sound great with amazing pop-y soul vocals, especially backed up by EWF.

How do you figure anyone will pick Duane Allman? He's more rock/jam band, the allman brothers was the first jam band.

Nah, Cream was jamming a few years before them.

[BankShot]

weird pick I know but I badly needed an amazing guitarist or another sort of instrument. I really like B.B King's bluesly/soul guitar sound and I think it would sound great with amazing pop-y soul vocals, especially backed up by EWF.

How do you figure anyone will pick Duane Allman? He's more rock/jam band, the allman brothers was the first jam band.

I'm not saying anyone will pick Allman, but I'd probably pick him for my band before B.B. King.

The Allman Brothers were more of a rhythm and blues band than a rock band or "jam" band, and if you listen to the tracks not on the radio, you'll see quite a few blues songs.

As for being a "jam" band, the Grateful Dead were the first jam band (first release in 1967) as opposed to the Allmans (1969)

[BankShot]

Nice pick with Tower of Power, RPB, definitely a great backing band, and one I honestly hadn't thought of yet :cheers:

BlazersDozen you're up next (8:30 PM EST), although he PM'd his last pick to me because he was moving this week, so he may get f*cked out of a pick. I'll PM him so he knows.

1.dab0yech0 - Aretha Franklin
2.L.Kizzle - James Brown
3.Dasher - Wilson Pickett
4.Bankshot - Otis Redding
5.Boozehound - Booker T & M.G.'s
6.Interminator - Stevie Wonder
7.Triangleoffense - Earth Wind & Fire
8.RBP - Marvin Gaye
9.BlazersDozen - Al Green

10.BlazersDozen - Luther Vandross
11.RBP - The Temptations
12.Triangleoffense - The Jackson 5
13.Interminator - Quincy Jones
14.Boozehound - Solomon Burke
15.Bankshot - Sam & Dave
16.Dasher - Prince
17.L.Kizzle - Sly & The Family Stone
18.dab0yech0 - Ray Charles

19.dab0yech0 - Sam Cooke
20.L.Kizzle - Jackie Wilson
21.Dasher - Burt Bacharach
22.Bankshot - Isaac Hayes
23.Boozehound - Ike & Tina Turner
24.Interminator - Dionne Warwick
25.TriangleOffense - B.B King
26.RPB - Tower of Power
27.BlazersDozen -

[pete's montreux]

I'm not saying anyone will pick Allman, but I'd probably pick him for my band before B.B. King.

The Allman Brothers were more of a rhythm and blues band than a rock band or "jam" band, and if you listen to the tracks not on the radio, you'll see quite a few blues songs.

As for being a "jam" band, the Grateful Dead were the first jam band (first release in 1967) as opposed to the Allmans (1969)

Cream - 1966! Cream did jam, but they weren't a 'jam' band. I don't know.

[triangleoffense]

As for being a "jam" band, the Grateful Dead were the first jam band (first release in 1967) as opposed to the Allmans (1969)

yea your right.. and I was a huge deadhead for a while too. I just remember my AP lit teacher telling me that the allman brothers were the first.. he was in a band too. I assumed he knew what he was talking about... he once wore a pantera shirt to school. Freaking poser.

[triangleoffense]

Cream - 1966! Cream did jam, but they weren't a 'jam' band. I don't know.

cream definitely jammed. They jammed when jam bands didn't even exist.

[BankShot]

Cream - 1966! Cream did jam, but they weren't a 'jam' band. I don't know.

Yeah they did, but I wouldn't say to the extent of the Allmans or the Dead, nor to the point of being labeled a "jam" band

Cream's a great example of how people hear one or two songs of theirs and label them a psychedelic/hippy band when in reality they were a hardcore Blues/R&B trio. Not saying thats what you did :cheers:

[triangleoffense]

I'm hoping no one picks Jefferson Airplane

[pete's montreux]

Yeah they did, but I wouldn't say to the extent of the Allmans or the Dead, nor to the point of being labeled a "jam" band

Cream's a great example of how people hear one or two songs of theirs and label them a psychedelic/hippy band when in reality they were a hardcore Blues/R&B trio.

I can't even think of one song that would make people think they're a pysch/hippy band. I guess people just assume because '66-'69 was the flower power era.

[triangleoffense]

Grateful formed in san francisco in 65 btw. They played at woodstock 69 after janis joplin

[BankShot]

I can't even think of one song that would make people think they're a pysch/hippy band. I guess people just assume because '66-'69 was the flower power era.

Strange Brew was pretty crazy

[triangleoffense]

Strange Brew was pretty crazy

Fresh Cream was too. the band was definitely considered psychadelic. The band featured a young clapton in the 60s.

[L.Kizzle]

Hey bankshot, stop posting artist who haven't been picked yet. You're giving others ideas. :no:

[BankShot]

Fresh Cream was too. the band was definitely considered psychadelic. The band featured a young clapton in the 60s.

We're saying that they were falsely considered psychedelic when if you listened to their catalog they were definitely a blues/R&B band... I mean they covered Muddy Waters, Willie Dixon, Howlin Wolf, and Albert King.

[BankShot]

Hey bankshot, stop posting artist who haven't been picked yet. You're giving others ideas. :no:

LOL are you referring to my post regarding R&B guitarists or the Isaac Hayes selection? :roll:

[triangleoffense]

cream is considered psychadelic/jam/blues

here is how wiki defines it.


Their sound was characterised by a hybrid of blues (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blues), hard rock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_rock) and psychedelic rock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic_rock)

[pete's montreux]

Yeah, but you don't really believe that do you? :confusedshrug:

I mean, just listen to them. They are absolutely not psychedelic at all. They might have, what, one or two maybe three songs at the most that might have traces of psychedelic rock in them, that's about it.

[BankShot]

cream is considered psychadelic/jam/blues

here is how wiki defines it.

Just because Wikipedia says something doesn't mean its gospel. Definitely a rhythm and blues trio more than anything.

[L.Kizzle]

LOL are you referring to my post regarding R&B guitarists or the Isaac Hayes selection? :roll:
All of them. Don't give these cats any ideas man .. none.

[BankShot]

All of them. Don't give these cats any ideas man .. none.

I agree the guitarists may have been a bit much, but as for the Isaac post is was necessary for people that didn't know how much he had written.

Alright, alright, I censored as much as i could.

[triangleoffense]

Yeah, but you don't really believe that do you? :confusedshrug:

I mean, just listen to them. They are absolutely not psychedelic at all. They might have, what, one or two maybe three songs at the most that might have traces of psychedelic rock in them, that's about it.

no i would say they are definitely more jam than psychadelic if at all.



Just because Wikipedia says something doesn't mean its gospel. Definitely a rhythm and blues trio more than anything.

well yea but I assumed that they would get this one right since it's a pretty popular band. I'm honestly not a big cream fan so i just went to wiki to see how some of their other songs would be like. they might not be psychadelic in the traditional jefferson airplane sense but I thought I remember some psychadelic/experimental elements in their music.

[boozehound]

for my band, i choose


tower of power



i want a creative and powerful horn section to give unique fillers to marvin, kendricks and ruffin-- TOP fits the bill


they have never forgotten or betrayed their soulful roots as a r&b/funk band. they still perform live after 40 years and are still considered a great live performance

TOP has evolved over the years, but the constant has been a renewed sound from their original music plus many different collaborations with diverse artists. they will highlight any song that my vocals put together
awesome. Best horn section around IMO (though I am partial to some others as well).

[boozehound]

While a well-respected artist with great longevity, I'm not really a huge B.B. King fan. Not taking anything away from what he's done nor his impact on the progression of the Blues, but other than his vibrato he's just kinda average to me.

Especially given that this is a Soul/R&B draft, and the likes of <<censored>>, are available, I wouldn't really call it a steal.

However, the draft's not over and there's plenty of time to see how your entire set of selections pan out and work together as a group.
THank you for editing this post. I agree. Calling him one of the greatest guitarists ever is quite a bit of an overstatement. He does have a unique and interesting style (mostly cause of his vibrato and his use of the major pentatonic as opposed to minor), but hes no virtuoso. Still, good pick and definitely fits the RnB side of things.

[boozehound]

weird pick I know but I badly needed an amazing guitarist or another sort of instrument. I really like B.B King's bluesly/soul guitar sound and I think it would sound great with amazing pop-y soul vocals, especially backed up by EWF.

How do you figure anyone will pick Duane Allman? He's more rock/jam band, the allman brothers was the first jam band.
uh, check the fame studios in muscle shoals. He recorded sessions with pickett, aretha, and many others. definitely can fit the genre. Thanks for ruining the draft bankshot

[BankShot]

uh, check the fame studios in muscle shoals. He recorded sessions with pickett, aretha, and many others. definitely can fit the genre. Thanks for ruining the draft bankshot

Ruining the draft?? That might be a bit of an exaggeration. I only listed a few guitarists to defend my opinion, and quite frankly I didn't think many people were going to be choosing strictly guitarists to begin with, seeing as how there are selections of entire bands or collections that already have guitarists.

You'll be fine, you've got the greatest R&B/Soul guitarist of all time in Steve Cropper. Also, people that would take those guitarists in the first place would know about them as it is.

[boozehound]

I'm not saying anyone will pick Allman, but I'd probably pick him for my band before B.B. King.

The Allman Brothers were more of a rhythm and blues band than a rock band or "jam" band, and if you listen to the tracks not on the radio, you'll see quite a few blues songs.

As for being a "jam" band, the Grateful Dead were the first jam band (first release in 1967) as opposed to the Allmans (1969)
the are definitely a blues (or RnB band) first and foremost (esp while duane was with them). Look at the songs on their first handful of albums, half of them are blues standards (stormy monday, trouble no more, etc). Especially live. now they added elements of jazz (including coltranesque free jazz), rock and country (esp dickey betts, and esp after duane was gone) and they may have broken the standard song format, but they are a RnB band first and foremost. even duane woulda told you that.

[boozehound]

Grateful formed in san francisco in 65 btw. They played at woodstock 69 after janis joplin
one of their worst shows ever

[boozehound]

Cream - 1966! Cream did jam, but they weren't a 'jam' band. I don't know.
big difference between a 27 minute darkstar or 44 minute mountain jam and what cream did (not to knock it by any stretch)

[BankShot]

the are definitely a blues (or RnB band) first and foremost (esp while duane was with them). Look at the songs on their first handful of albums, half of them are blues standards (stormy monday, trouble no more, etc). Especially live. now they added elements of jazz (including coltranesque free jazz), rock and country (esp dickey betts, and esp after duane was gone) and they may have broken the standard song format, but they are a RnB band first and foremost. even duane woulda told you that.

Absolutely they are. Stormy Monday and Jelly, Jelly, and Statesborough Blues, are probably 3 of my top 5 favorite Allman Brothers songs.

I was waiting for you to chime in on the Allmans considering your avatar. :cheers:

[pete's montreux]

big difference between a 27 minute darkstar or 44 minute mountain jam and what cream did (not to knock it by any stretch)

Jamming is jamming. :confusedshrug: Doesn't matter if it's 5 minutes or 50.

[boozehound]

Absolutely they are. Stormy Monday and Jelly, Jelly, and Statesborough Blues, are probably 3 of my top 5 favorite Allman Brothers songs.

I was waiting for you to chime in on the Allmans considering your avatar. :cheers:
**** the allmans. And you should see what I chose in the music draft to see what I was thinking (again). Steve is definitely the most tasteful riffing soul guitarist ever (though I like some others almost as much), but doesnt mean he wouldnt work well with another guitarist (see the blues brothers!).

for those of you who dont know, you can listen to pretty much every grateful dead show ever (plus many other artists) here (http://www.archive.org/browse.php?collection=etree&field=/metadata/creator), at archive.org

[BankShot]

**** the allmans. And you should see what I chose in the music draft to see what I was thinking (again). Steve is definitely the most tasteful riffing soul guitarist ever (though I like some others almost as much), but doesnt mean he wouldnt work well with another guitarist (see the blues brothers!).

for those of you who dont know, you can listen to pretty much every grateful dead show ever (plus many other artists) here (http://www.archive.org/browse.php?collection=etree&field=/metadata/creator), at archive.org

Are you saying f*ck the Allmans??

Judging by your pick of Book & the MGs, as well as your revere for Cropper, I'd love to see your picks from the Music draft.

As for Croppers work with the Blues Brothers, believe me I know it all too well. One of my favorite movies of all time. The second one is crap, but has some nice cameos and an awesome jam at the end.

[triangleoffense]

one of their worst shows ever
yes it was raining and they even admitted it. I found about archive.org when i was 14. I was really into jam bands when I was in high school so now I find them played out just because I have heard almost every jam band known to man. I like how the majority of all jam bands allow people to sound board their shows thus allowing anyone to download their music for free. the dead actually started that tradition and all jam bands have followed suit. Pgroove, dbiscuits, umphreey's, widespread banic, string cheese all have a ton of shows at archive.org which people have sound boarded.

[BankShot]

Bumping it for BlazersDozen (8:30 PM EST)

1.dab0yech0 - Aretha Franklin
2.L.Kizzle - James Brown
3.Dasher - Wilson Pickett
4.Bankshot - Otis Redding
5.Boozehound - Booker T & M.G.'s
6.Interminator - Stevie Wonder
7.Triangleoffense - Earth Wind & Fire
8.RBP - Marvin Gaye
9.BlazersDozen - Al Green

10.BlazersDozen - Luther Vandross
11.RBP - The Temptations
12.Triangleoffense - The Jackson 5
13.Interminator - Quincy Jones
14.Boozehound - Solomon Burke
15.Bankshot - Sam & Dave
16.Dasher - Prince
17.L.Kizzle - Sly & The Family Stone
18.dab0yech0 - Ray Charles

19.dab0yech0 - Sam Cooke
20.L.Kizzle - Jackie Wilson
21.Dasher - Burt Bacharach
22.Bankshot - Isaac Hayes
23.Boozehound - Ike & Tina Turner
24.Interminator - Dionne Warwick
25.TriangleOffense - B.B King
26.RPB - Tower of Power
27.BlazersDozen - Pick missed

28.BlazersDozen - Pick missed
29.RBP - Gladys Knight & The Pips
30.Triangleoffense -
31.Interminator -
32.Boozehound -
33.Bankshot -
34.Dasher -
35.L.Kizzle -
36.dab0yech0 -

[RainierBeachPoet]

The Lineup


dab0yech0 - Aretha Franklin; Ray Charles; Sam Cooke
L.Kizzle - James Brown; Sly & The Family Stone; Jackie Wilson
Dasher - Wilson Pickett; Prince; Burt Bacharach

Bankshot - Otis Redding; Sam & Dave; Isaac Hayes
Boozehound - Booker T & M.G.'s; Solomon Burke; Ike & Tina Turner
Interminator - Stevie Wonder; Quincy Jones; Dionne Warwick

TriangleOffense - Earth Wind & Fire; The Jackson 5; B.B King
RPB - Marvin Gaye; The Temptations; Tower of Power; Gladys Knight and the Pips
BlazersDozen -Al Green; Luther Vandross

[BankShot]

Well its almost 11:00 AM EST, which means BlazersDozen is an hour and a half past his deadline on his 3rd round selection. The problem is that he also has the next pick (1st pick in the 4th round), and his last pick was PMed to me because he didn't think he'd make it online before his pick.

So does he now miss out on both picks because he hasn't been in the thread since before his 2nd round pick, or do we reset the 12-hour timer for his 4th round pick??

I'd say its back to RainierBeachPoet (11:00 AM EST) in the 4th round unless other participants disagree. Don't really feel like waiting for someone that hasn't really been keeping up with it.

:cheers:

[RainierBeachPoet]

his last pick was PMed to me because he didn't think he'd make it online before his pick.

So does he now miss out on both picks because he hasn't been in the thread since before his 2nd round pick, or do we reset the 12-hour timer for his 4th round pick??

I'd say its back to RainierBeachPoet (11:00 AM EST) in the 4th round unless other participants disagree. Don't really feel like waiting for someone that hasn't really been keeping up with it.

:cheers:

that is reasonable. i would say that if he does log into the thread, let him pick twice

i will post my pick momentarily

[RainierBeachPoet]

since tina turner was taken, i have been trying to imagine a number of women soul/r&b singers who would fit well with marvin, david, and eddie. Tina would have added dynamic fun to the group as well as a voice who could hold her own with the guys-- esp. david and eddie

i was considering choosing a more contemporary woman artist (from the 90s on) but decided to stay with the classic motown vocalists so...

with my fourth pick, i choose


Gladys Knight and the Pips



the deciding factor was, who would be able to sing a better love duet with marvin AND be able to jam with the temptations on down and dirty type songs. gladys was my woman!

she and the pips released "i heard it through the grapevine BEFORE marvin's version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWvwP72FuVg

i thought it would be great to get them somehow to sing it together on a creative re-release

i would have the pips backup gladys on the slow songs with her as primary voice.

with this pick, i have my vocals and band set; future picks will just add fun and novelty to this base

[pete's montreux]

I was waiting for Gladys. :applause:

[BankShot]

Nice pick RPB with Gladys and the Pips.

triangleoffense you're up (Noon EST)

[boozehound]

since tina turner was taken, i have been trying to imagine a number of women soul/r&b singers who would fit well with marvin, david, and eddie. Tina would have added dynamic fun to the group as well as a voice who could hold her own with the guys-- esp. david and eddie

i was considering choosing a more contemporary woman artist (from the 90s on) but decided to stay with the classic motown vocalists so...

with my fourth pick, i choose


Gladys Knight and the Pips



the deciding factor was, who would be able to sing a better love duet with marvin AND be able to jam with the temptations on down and dirty type songs. gladys was my woman!

she and the pips released "i heard it through the grapevine BEFORE marvin's version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWvwP72FuVg

i thought it would be great to get them somehow to sing it together on a creative re-release

i would have the pips backup gladys on the slow songs with her as primary voice.

with this pick, i have my vocals and band set; future picks will just add fun and novelty to this base
good choice. Although there is a particular duet album with marvin that I love that would have led me to take another girl group. Ill reveal down the line if its not clear. One of the best songs on it was written by Michael Bolton (Shocking I know).

[BankShot]

good choice. Although there is a particular duet album with marvin that I love that would have led me to take another girl group. Ill reveal down the line if its not clear. One of the best songs on it was written by Michael Bolton (Shocking I know).

Yeah kinda surprised the artist you're thinking of hasn't been chosen yet as well... great album by the way

[RainierBeachPoet]

good choice. Although there is a particular duet album with marvin that I love that would have led me to take another girl group. Ill reveal down the line if its not clear. One of the best songs on it was written by Michael Bolton (Shocking I know).

i think i know who it is that you are thinking (although the michael bolton reference throws me) and she/they were a consideration but i think that gladys has a more soulful voice with a lower range

[BankShot]

Bump for triangleoffense (Noon EST) :cheers:

[L.Kizzle]

Who's up?, I wanna do my turn.

[BankShot]

Who's up?, I wanna do my turn.
triangleoffense (Noon EST) is up for another 2 hours, at which point Interminator takes over.
:cheers:

[BankShot]

1.dab0yech0 - Aretha Franklin
2.L.Kizzle - James Brown
3.Dasher - Wilson Pickett
4.Bankshot - Otis Redding
5.Boozehound - Booker T & M.G.'s
6.Interminator - Stevie Wonder
7.Triangleoffense - Earth Wind & Fire
8.RBP - Marvin Gaye
9.BlazersDozen - Al Green

10.BlazersDozen - Luther Vandross
11.RBP - The Temptations
12.Triangleoffense - The Jackson 5
13.Interminator - Quincy Jones
14.Boozehound - Solomon Burke
15.Bankshot - Sam & Dave
16.Dasher - Prince
17.L.Kizzle - Sly & The Family Stone
18.dab0yech0 - Ray Charles

19.dab0yech0 - Sam Cooke
20.L.Kizzle - Jackie Wilson
21.Dasher - Burt Bacharach
22.Bankshot - Isaac Hayes
23.Boozehound - Ike & Tina Turner
24.Interminator - Dionne Warwick
25.TriangleOffense - B.B King
26.RPB - Tower of Power
27.BlazersDozen - Pick missed

28.BlazersDozen - Pick missed
29.RBP - Gladys Knight & The Pips
30.Triangleoffense - Pick missed
31.Interminator - Pleasure P
32.Boozehound -
33.Bankshot -
34.Dasher -
35.L.Kizzle -
36.dab0yech0 -

[BankShot]

Well its past Midnight EST, so I guess triangleoffense lost his chance at his 4th round selection.

IMO if he is able to get his pick in before Interminator (the next in line) then it can be considered legit. If triangleoffense mentions in the thread that he still wants to be in the draft, then he gets placed at the end of the 4th round, and the 4th round only, then has his usual slot in the 5th round.

If anyone disagrees just voice your opinion in the thread.

Interminator you're up (12:15 AM EST)
:cheers:

[boozehound]

has anyone been PMing people?

[BankShot]

has anyone been PMing people?

Yeah I have

[L.Kizzle]

Interminator just PM-ed me, his pick is Pleasure P from Pretty Ricky.

[BankShot]

Edit: Kizzle makes lame jokes :cheers:

[L.Kizzle]

Interminator pulls one from left field.... that means boozehound is up (12:46 AM EST)
That was a joke bro.
:roll:

[BankShot]

That was a joke bro.
:roll:

I have no idea who Pleasure P or Pretty Ricky are, so I figured it was one of those unexpected sleeper picks.


:confusedshrug:

[L.Kizzle]

I have no idea who Pleasure P or Pretty Ricky are, so I figured it was one of those unexpected sleeper picks.


:confusedshrug:
Oh, look them up on youtube and you'll see why it was a joke.:lol

[dab0yech0]

lol Boyfriend #2??????

[L.Kizzle]

Who's up now. No one has picked in like a 2 days?

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[boozehound]

Who's up now. No one has picked in like a 2 days?
so, BankShot PMed me that I am up. A little disappointed that this draft has been derailed. Anyways, Ill make my pick in the next hour. To clarify, this draft is 7 rounds (gotta plan out my supersweetsoulmusic group)?

[Interminator]

Im back in.

[boozehound]

so, BankShot PMed me that I am up. A little disappointed that this draft has been derailed. Anyways, Ill make my pick in the next hour. To clarify, this draft is 7 rounds (gotta plan out my supersweetsoulmusic group)?
alright, should I make my pick or let Intermator pick?
If no response in the next 5-10 minutes, im making my pick

[L.Kizzle]

alright, should I make my pick or let Intermator pick?
If no response in the next 5-10 minutes, im making my pick
Somebody just pick.

[boozehound]

Somebody just pick.
got ants in your pants and you need to dance huh?

Ok, Im picking Bill Withers. He will be used primarily as a song writer in my group, but his overall skills are substantial as well. While much of his stuff has a smoother, urbane style than my southern soul band, his roots (and many of his songs) still reflect the country origins of soul music. Check out his live at carnegie hall album for one of the best live concerts recorded (IMO).

I will add some more info and song samples shortly, but I gotta run for a little bit.

[boozehound]

1.dab0yech0 - Aretha Franklin
2.L.Kizzle - James Brown
3.Dasher - Wilson Pickett
4.Bankshot - Otis Redding
5.Boozehound - Booker T & M.G.'s
6.Interminator - Stevie Wonder
7.Triangleoffense - Earth Wind & Fire
8.RBP - Marvin Gaye
9.BlazersDozen - Al Green

10.BlazersDozen - Luther Vandross
11.RBP - The Temptations
12.Triangleoffense - The Jackson 5
13.Interminator - Quincy Jones
14.Boozehound - Solomon Burke
15.Bankshot - Sam & Dave
16.Dasher - Prince
17.L.Kizzle - Sly & The Family Stone
18.dab0yech0 - Ray Charles

19.dab0yech0 - Sam Cooke
20.L.Kizzle - Jackie Wilson
21.Dasher - Burt Bacharach
22.Bankshot - Isaac Hayes
23.Boozehound - Ike & Tina Turner
24.Interminator - Dionne Warwick
25.TriangleOffense - B.B King
26.RPB - Tower of Power
27.BlazersDozen - Pick missed

28.BlazersDozen - Pick missed
29.RBP - Gladys Knight & The Pips
30.Triangleoffense - Pick missed
31.Interminator - Pleasure P
32.Boozehound -
33.Bankshot -
34.Dasher -
35.L.Kizzle -
36.dab0yech0 -
BankShot you are up

[Interminator]

I select Smokey Robinson & The Miracles.

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/16851/Smokey+Robinson+and+the+Miracles.jpg

A soul/R&B pioneer Smokey Robinson has been a fixture in the genre for 5 decades now since his beginnings as a member of The Miracles. The Miracles became the first largely successful Motown act and set a standard of musical success that many artists attempted to follow. The Miracles produced hit after hit in the R&B genre with 26 songs charting in the Top 10 of the R&B charts along with 4 songs reaching #1. Successful hits include Love Machine, You've Really Got A Hold On Me, and The Tears of a Clown where Smokey Robinson co-wrote with fellow supergroup member Stevie Wonder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2E_RSJAhYU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVbfES9DVLc

Watch these videos, Smokey Robinson is simply a timeless singer.

[Interminator]

Wait what the **** @ Pleasure P.

:roll::roll::roll:


But on a serious note, if Pleasure P ever decided to break free from the genre of Hip Pop/R&B and arranged himself a backup band, he would be a tremendous artist. He has a strong voice, almost a throwback to the Southern R&B artists from the 60's and 70's. Outside of the generic Pop R&B subject matter he actually is a very good singer.

[BankShot]

Alright sorry about the confusion guys.... I PM'ed boozehound that he was up because Kizzle said he was picking for Interminator via PM. It turns out it was just a lame joke by Kizzle of which i didn't pick up on.

I'll make my pick within the hour, I need to think about where to go from here.

[RainierBeachPoet]

The Lineup



dab0yech0 - Aretha Franklin; Ray Charles; Sam Cooke L.Kizzle - James Brown; Sly & The Family Stone; Jackie Wilson
L.Kizzle - James Brown; Sly & The Family Stone; Jackie Wilson
Dasher - Wilson Pickett; Prince; Burt Bacharach

Bankshot - Otis Redding; Sam & Dave; Isaac Hayes
Boozehound - Booker T & M.G.'s; Solomon Burke; Ike & Tina Turner; Bill Withers
Interminator - Stevie Wonder; Quincy Jones; Dionne Warwick; Smokey Robinson & The Miracles

TriangleOffense - Earth Wind & Fire; The Jackson 5; B.B King
RBP - Marvin Gaye; The Temptations; Tower of Power; Gladys Knight and the Pips
BlazersDozen -Al Green; Luther Vandross

[Interminator]

Hey Bankshot, do you want to give BlazersDozen default picks instead of skipping his picks.

[BankShot]

Hey Bankshot, do you want to give BlazersDozen default picks instead of skipping his picks.

I guess i could... but it would just be artists that I'm not considering picking with later picks, and it wouldn't be anything special just the famous ones that haven't been picked