Official Strikeforce: Carano vs. Cyborg thread

[sunsfan1357]

Don't know how much attention this will get since it seems like most general MMA fans are only into UFC, but there are some good MMA posters here. Here's the lineup:

Main Card:
-Gina Carano vs. Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos
-Renato "Babalu" Sobral vs. Gegard Mousasi
-Gilbert Melendez vs. Mitsuhiro Ishida
-Fabricio Werdum vs. Mike Kyle

Preliminary Card:
-Jesse Taylor vs. Jay Hieron
-Mike Cook vs. Scott Lighty
-David Douglas vs. Justin Wilcox
-James Terry vs. Zac Bucia
-Alex Trevino vs. Isaiah Hill

I'd make predictions, but I don't know much about the prelims and for me it's a tossup between Carano and Cyborg, but most people seem to be going for Cyborg. Otherwise I'm taking Mousasi, Melendez, and Werdum.

I've heard some grumblings lately that this card can potentially damage women's MMA as no one wants to see an attractive woman like Carano get beat to a bloody pulp as can very well happen. As an MMA fan I wouldn't care personally, but I can see how some people can be potentially turned away by it.

Anyone else got predictions and insight?

[PistolPete]

When is this happening, and what channel?

[bdreason]

When is this happening, and what channel?

Tonight on Showtime.

[bdreason]

And the card was supposed to be better.

It was supposed to be Diaz vs. Hieron... but Diaz skipped his licensing drug test (Marijuana).

And Melendez and Tompson were supposed to fight for the belt... but Tompson got hurt again.


Mousasi vs. Babalu is the fight of the night.

Gina vs. Cyborg will be a decision. If gina can keep it standing, I think she can out-point Cyborg. If Cyborg is able to get takedowns, it'll be a long night for Gina.

[The Italian]

And the card was supposed to be better.

It was supposed to be Diaz vs. Hieron... but Diaz skipped his licensing drug test (Marijuana).

And Melendez and Tompson were supposed to fight for the belt... but Tompson got hurt again.

Werdum was originally supposed to fight Alistair Overeem on this card as well but Overeem had to withdraw due to an injury (hand?). I was really looking forward to that fight as well.


When is this happening, and what channel?
Its on Showtime if you are in the USA and I think it is at either 10PM EST or 10:30 PM EST.

If you live in Canada you can order it on PPV I believe, or you can purchase it online at the SF website for $25 (you get the undercard fights too I think). Or you can always find a live stream online.

Main Card:
-Gina Carano vs. Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos
-Renato "Babalu" Sobral vs. Gegard Mousasi
-Gilbert Melendez vs. Mitsuhiro Ishida
-Fabricio Werdum vs. Mike Kyle

Preliminary Card:
-Jesse Taylor vs. Jay Hieron
-Mike Cook vs. Scott Lighty
-David Douglas vs. Justin Wilcox
-James Terry vs. Zac Bucia
-Alex Trevino vs. Isaiah Hill

I don't know too much about the undercard fighters other than Taylor/Hieron, but I gave predictions anyways. Most of them were just blind guesses though lol.

[Lamar Doom]

so i'm one of those poser level MMA fans who can't really tell the difference in talent between the UFC guys and the Showtime EliteXC/Strikeforce guys, but I f*cking love Gina Carano. She's a f*cking bad ass and I think she's hot too (granted a lot of that is how kickass she is). I don't recognize anybody else's name on the card but i'm sure i'll recognize some faces. looking forward to it.


p.s.- when does the Ultimate Fighter show with Kimbo start airing? (don't mock me, I think Kimbo is fun to watch)

[Eldrunko247]

ufc d'ick riders stay the f'uck out of this thread.

[The Italian]

so i'm one of those poser level MMA fans who can't really tell the difference in talent between the UFC guys and the Showtime EliteXC/Strikeforce guys, but I f*cking love Gina Carano. She's a f*cking bad ass and I think she's hot too (granted a lot of that is how kickass she is). I don't recognize anybody else's name on the card but i'm sure i'll recognize some faces. looking forward to it.


p.s.- when does the Ultimate Fighter show with Kimbo start airing? (don't mock me, I think Kimbo is fun to watch)
TUF 10 starts Sept. 16th.

As for the fighters on this card, Sobral and Werdum both used to fight for the UFC so you might recognize them. Jay Hieron used to fight for them as well and Jessie Taylor was on the TUF season where Rampage and Forrest were the coaches and he made it to the finale but was removed after a drunken incident occured after the filming was finished. So you may or may not recognize him (that is if they show this fight).

[PistolPete]

Cyborg should beat the crap out of Carano...look at that....woman

http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/pictures/20080725044010_IMG_3205.JPG

[Showtime]

Tonight on Showtime.
eh?

I want to lick Gina's ass

[Skywalker]

the main event is WOMEN? nuff said, Strikeforce will die within the year lmao

[The Italian]

the main event is WOMEN? nuff said, Strikeforce will die within the year lmao
You are such an idiot.

[Eldrunko247]

the main event is WOMEN? nuff said, Strikeforce will die within the year lmao
And here's the first one. A 4-1 WWE HW Champ? Get the '**** outta here man. This is a thread for MMA fans. Not some UFC d'ick riding sheep boy. Why come in and f'uck up someone else's thread? Loser.

[IcanzIIravor]

the main event is WOMEN? nuff said, Strikeforce will die within the year lmao

Showing your ignorance there man. There's been a number of people interested for some time in seeing that match. It very well could determine the viability of women in the sport as more than a seeming novelty act.

[sunsfan1357]

If you're here to talk **** about women fighting please do not post in this thread. I would like to see some thoughts though about what was mentioned in the original post about people not wanting to see a women like Carano beat up and battered.

Just stumbled on this training video for Cyborg. Pretty intense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ire6PrifDvY

[Eldrunko247]

If you're here to talk **** about women fighting please do not post in this thread. I would like to see some thoughts though about what was mentioned in the original post about people not wanting to see a women like Carano beat up and battered.

Just stumbled on this training video for Cyborg. Pretty intense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ire6PrifDvY
I don't mind hot chicks getting beat up. That's what they signed up for. I'm not your casual fan however. Obviously, if there were more hot chicks like Gina that actually have skills, I think women's MMA could start to become much more popular. Just my opinion however. I can understand that the general public might not be able to stomach something like that.

[Skywalker]

WNBA?
WWE DIVAS?
WOMENS SOCCER?
WOMENS GOLF?

women's tennis is about the only thing anyone cares about, but people want to watch them fight... hmmmm interesssssting.

[Eldrunko247]

WNBA?
WWE DIVAS?
WOMENS SOCCER?
WOMENS GOLF?

women's tennis is about the only thing anyone cares about, but people want to watch them fight... hmmmm interesssssting.
I thought everyone told you to get a life troll?

[Skywalker]

how many viewers will UFC 100 replay on Spike TV outnumber Strikeforce lame PPV by?

1.5 million?

[The Italian]

how many viewers will UFC 100 replay on Spike TV outnumber Strikeforce lame PPV by?

1.5 million?
Why do you care so much? Seriously, you think that this card is a joke and aren't going to watch, we get that. Is there a reason for you to come into this thread and talk **** about SF because you are nothing more than a UFC fan boy?

You don't plan on watching SF because you are a UFC fan and not an MMA fan. We get that, so how about you just **** off?

[Skywalker]

lmao I'm posting to tick you all off god you get offended easily

UFC is MMA

[Eldrunko247]

lmao I'm posting to tick you all off god you get offended easily

UFC is MMA
Strikeforce tonight is not ppv idiot.

[lefthook00]

Gina has the worst nickname ever. Gina "Conviction" Carano? WACK. It will be better for MMA if Gina wins tonight.

[IcanzIIravor]

lmao I'm posting to tick you all off god you get offended easily

UFC is MMA

Are you an MMA fan or a UFC fan? If you're an MMA fan then you should be glad there are other organizations around that force the UFC to stay on top of its game and not take for granted its perch atop the sport.

[Eldrunko247]

Gina has the worst nickname ever. Gina "Conviction" Carano? WACK. It will be better for MMA if Gina wins tonight.
True dat. A hot chick like Gina sleighs the beast and all the hype and exposure that goes along with it will be great women's MMA and Strikeforce.

[The Italian]

Are you an MMA fan or a UFC fan? If you're an MMA fan then you should be glad there are other organizations around that force the UFC to stay on top of its game and not take for granted its perch atop the sport.
Isn't it obvious that he is nothing more than a UFC fan?

[Skywalker]

damn Jon Jones is impressive, who's his next fight

[RandomBalla55]

I'm really looking forward tonight to seeing Werdum. He looked absolutely awesome at the weigh-ins. Definitely by far in the best shape of his life.

I think Cyborg is going to ruin Gina's pretty face. Check out Cyborg's training regimen on YouTube.. she trains caveman style ala Sherk and Lesnar. Cyborg within 2 rounds KTFOing Gina, although Gina looked amazing at the weigh-ins too.

I think tonight is Mousasi's coming out party in the US as well, as I think he'll handle Babalu. But, of course, the cage is a new factor for Mousasi, so I could see Babalu choking him out, but I think Mousasi's got this.

Ishida / Melendez II should be good. Their first fight I thought was pretty exciting.

[DonDadda59]

Gina Carano is a fine woman, Cyborg... eh, not so much :ohwell:

[Eldrunko247]

Gina Carano is a fine woman, Cyborg... eh, not so much :ohwell:
Cyborg is the female Wandy. Gina strolled on in looking like she was going to a photo shoot.

[The Italian]

Werdum vs. Kyle is just about to start.

I can't wait to see Werdum. I think that the UFC made a mistake by getting rid of him as he is a very talented fighter.

[DonDadda59]

Masterful work by Werdum :applause:

[The Italian]

Werdum wins via Guillotine (sp?). A beautiful job by Werdum there. He did almost get caught twice though. Once on the feet and then once on the ground with the armbar (although the armbar didn't look too deep).

[Eldrunko247]

War Yugi Shimada!!!!

[InspiredLebowski]

Anyone have a non-Justin.tv link? For some reason none of the feeds there'll work for me.

[Eldrunko247]

Anyone have a non-Justin.tv link? For some reason none of the feeds there'll work for me.
This link is working. It's a jtv feed but still up. http://www.p2p4u.net/watch-live-sports.php?id=4096&link=1

Another link http://www.freeppv.tv/Live-Stream.php

[DonDadda59]

How long before Randy Couture signs with Strikeforce to fight Fedor?

[Eldrunko247]

This is going to be a good fight. Love that Strikeforce can bring in fighters from other orgs.

[InspiredLebowski]

Another link http://www.freeppv.tv/Live-Stream.php

That one worked, thanks

[Grinder]

Melendez vs. Ishida has been solid so far.

[Grinder]

Daaang. Melendez destroyed Ishida in that round.

Well earned victory.

[The Italian]

Melendez wins via TKO at about 4 minutes of the third round. Entertaining fight but Ishida just couldn't handle Melendez's superior striking.

[DonDadda59]

That was a one sided ass whooping. Striking, Melendez landed jab after jab and straight rights, Ishida's takedowns weren't working. Just brutalized.

[The Italian]

Man, Cyborg is a scary looking chick. She looks like she wants to kill somebody.

[lefthook00]

Cyborg is the female Wandy.

LOL, perfect way to put it.

I like the computer generated "keys to victory/strategies" thing with the anatomical figures. A refreshing difference from the UFC.

[RandomBalla55]

Impressive win by Gil.

Hopefully Thomson heals up sooner or later, I want to see that match happen again.

[The Italian]

Wow, destruction from Mousasi there. Bobalu got KTFO. What an impressive performance.

[DonDadda59]

Mousasi is a bad muthfu*ka :eek:

Babalu is no joke, the only other time I've seen Gegard was in this video where he was rolling w/ Fedor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnaTx1V79h8

I'll be tuning into his fights more lol

[Grinder]

Wow. Mousasi just DECIMATED Bobalu.


Damn.

[Zombles]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

i told yall.

That was extremely impressive. Didn't last long but he totally dominated a serious grappler on the ground.

[RandomBalla55]

Mousasi's breakout party indeed..

Too bad he's gonna have no one to fight at LHW at Strikeforce after whipping the **** out of Babalu.

[Zombles]

Great show of class by Musasi too when he stopped punching after he realized Babablu was out, eve before the ref pulled him off.

[lefthook00]

Babalu was too relaxed, he probably didn't expect to get hit like that while he was bucking him off.

On another note, Mousasi becomes the new lightheavy champ of Strikeforce in his US debut, they need a deeper talent pool.

[redbull034]

WOW Gegard is sick and hes only 24
gegard and fedor gonna take over strikeforce

[lefthook00]

I want Gina to triangle choke me.

[The Italian]

:oldlol:

Was it just me or did Randy give Gina a slap on the ass there? Atta boy Randy!

[redbull034]

:oldlol:

Was it just me or did Randy give Gina a slap on the ass there? Atta boy Randy!

randy and gina dating??:confusedshrug:

[DonDadda59]

This fight is vicious

[Grinder]

Expected easy win for Cyborg.

[The Italian]

Cyborg wins at the very end of the 1st round.

[Styles p]

Expected easy win for Cyborg.

she needs to start fighting guys.

[Brujesino]

that was so fixed

[DonDadda59]

That Cyborg chick is a wrecking machine...

[SCREWstonRockets]

FEDOR vs CYBORG

[Zombles]

Great fight, stoppage was fine. Fetal position is not intelligent defense.

Carano couldn't even begin to handle the power and speed of Santos. Beaten to every punch and kick and Cyborg's GnP had a lot more on it.

[The Italian]

Wow, did Cyborg win? At the bell?
Yes.

Good stoppage by Rosenthal there as well. Carano wasn't doing enough to defend herself.

[The Italian]

My feed's audio was kinda lagging so I looked questionable at first for me.......
It was stopped literally a split second before the bell rang.

[redbull034]

great card
every card was entertaining

[Brujesino]

It was stopped literally a split second before the bell rang.

i kinda thought the ref did it on purpose to add a contreversial ending

[The Italian]

i kinda thought the ref did it on purpose to add a contreversial ending
Doubt it. He was just trying to give Gina as much time as possible to recover, but enough was enough as she was just not doing anything to defend herself. She was just laying in the fetal position getting hit.

[RandomBalla55]

That wasn't controversial.

Cyborg is just too manly for female MMA. Gina couldn't even get up and wouldn't be able to last another round with Cyborg.

That fight was sloppy as **** but indeed entertaining I suppose.

[Brujesino]

Doubt it. He was just trying to give Gina as much time as possible to recover, but enough was enough as she was just not doing anything to defend herself. She was just laying in the fetal position getting hit.
ya theres no way people can say gina had a chance while she was down there

but to me the ending kinda felt scripted for some reason like lets make it dramatic at the end

idk iam pretty sure iam wrong though:oldlol:

[Eldrunko247]

Damn Gina is so fine but too bad she lost tonight. She had several good positions but did not capitalize. Should have maintained her dominant positions. No head movement from her either. She needs to learn some boxing. Bobbing and weaving. Needs to train at a new gym as well. Yeah, Mickey Rourke was powerful and aggressive but Gina lost because of technique.

[The Italian]

Damn Gina is so fine but too bad she lost tonight. She had several good positions but did not capitalize. Should have maintained her dominant positions. No head movement from her either. She needs to learn some boxing. Bobbing and weaving. Needs to train at a new gym as well. Yeah, Mickey Rourke was powerful and aggressive but Gina lost because of technique.
Gina lost because she fought a superior fighter. She showed a lot of heart in that fight, by Santos was quite simply the superior fighter and it was pretty obvious that she was simply fighting a woman who was superior to her.

[Eldrunko247]

Gina lost because she fought a superior and more powerful fighter. She showed a lot of heart in that fight, by Santos was quite simply the superior fighter and it was pretty obvious there.
Yeah, Wanderella was the more powerful and superior fighter but he/she has many holes in her games as well. As big and powerful as she is, her wrestling was not very good. How Gina managed to get those top positions was beyond me. If Gina fought a smarter fight, I think she could have pulled an upset. I mean giving up top position and standing with Cyborg? I also think Gina had her mounted a few times or close to it. Cyborg is also overly aggressive. A well timed counter right would have had her seeing stars. I did not see any of those.

[lefthook00]

Sorry to hijack the thread but I didn't want to start another one cuz I don't know if too many people saw it...but Roy Jones just beat Jeff Lacy to death. He was playing with him, could have ended it any time he wanted, Lacy's corner stopped the fight.

[MarloStanfield]

gegard mousasi is the real f*cking deal and the best fighter not named Fedor fighting outside of the UFC. If you aren't that familiar with him watch his last 10 fights, he's completely dominated legitimate competition. He could beat anyone at 205 or 185 IMO.

[lefthook00]

gegard mousasi is the real f*cking deal and the best fighter not named Fedor fighting outside of the UFC. If you aren't that familiar with him watch his last 10 fights, he's completely dominated legitimate competition. He could beat anyone at 205 or 185 IMO.

ANYONE @ 185/205? That's a pretty bold statement. He has upped his competition his last 6 or so fights but....a lot of them are very accomplished in one area but piss poor in others such as supreme strikers with poor ground game or vice versa...I want him to fight someone more well rounded.

[RandomBalla55]

Mousasi is indeed a beast.

I said in this thread though before the fight that he would use Babalu as his coming out party to the US.

However, he has NO ONE to fight in Strikeforce at LHW with the exception of maybe Feijao, and he got exposed by Kyle. Babalu is no joke though and the way he easily got Babalu to the ground and unloaded a ferocious barrage was quite impressive.

I don't know about anyone at 185 / 205, since I don't think anybody can beat Anderson or Lyoto, but Gegard would easily be top 5 in both divisions. Mousasi would probably be the #2 MW (but he can no longer cut down to 185 as he said) and top 5 LHW for sure.

[lefthook00]

Mousasi is indeed a beast.

I said in this thread though before the fight that he would use Babalu as his coming out party to the US.

However, he has NO ONE to fight in Strikeforce at LHW with the exception of maybe Feijao, and he got exposed by Kyle. Babalu is no joke though and the way he easily got Babalu to the ground and unloaded a ferocious barrage was quite impressive.

I don't know about anyone at 185 / 205, since I don't think anybody can beat Anderson or Lyoto, but Gegard would easily be top 5 in both divisions. Mousasi would probably be the #2 MW (but he can no longer cut down to 185 as he said) and top 5 LHW for sure.

Ya he is a slender 205. Just wait until he fills out some more.

[Zombles]

Mousasi's fantastic, well-rounded and very good at all the rounds, but he's unproven. Never foughten a great fighter, or even a ranked fighter.

Really hope the UFC picks him up. I'm sick of watching him, Shields, and Fedor totally outclass mediocre opposition. Those guys are all contenders in their divisions and it's ri-god-damn-diculous they're fighting/will be fighting B-level competition.

[RandomBalla55]

Babalu is a very good fighter. Not great, but not a walk in the park for anyone, and Gegard walked right through him.

Jacare is very good too, although I think Gegard got a little fortunate (or maybe he just wins, heh) with that upkick.

Kang would be so good if he didn't have a mental brain fart every single fight he loses. Manhoef is good for 30 seconds before you take him down and sub him.

Indeed though, I wish Mousasi, Shields, and Fedor were in the UFC.

[MarloStanfield]

ANYONE @ 185/205? That's a pretty bold statement. He has upped his competition his last 6 or so fights but....a lot of them are very accomplished in one area but piss poor in others such as supreme strikers with poor ground game or vice versa...I want him to fight someone more well rounded.
Babalu has very slick jits (as good as almost anyone @ 205) and Mousasi mounted him with ease and made him look like a purple belt. That's no joke he is so dangerous in all positions. He's very technically sound on the feet with real deal power. He looked very explosive tonight. He's a very, very fluid athlete. Elite level athlete as far as MMA is concerned. Babalu is definitely a top 10 fighter whether or not he is ranked as such he is that good.

Also Gilbert Melendez is the best lightweight not in the UFC.

Beating Mark Hunt, Manhoef, Denis Kang, Jacare within 1 round is extremely impressive. In his last 12 fights only one has lasted longer than 1 round. He's fighting decent competition. Obviously he'd be fighting better/best competition in the UFC.

I honestly believe that he could give Anderson and Lyoto a fight. He reminds me of a young pre injury Shogun.

[MarloStanfield]

Also Gilbert Melendez is very talented and well rounded. Great wrestling base, he can sprawl and brawl with anyone or he can work his top game with his hyper aggressive takedowns and top game. He really needs to get in the UFC because is the real deal as well.

Jake Shields, Nick Diaz, Gil Melendez, Cesar Gracie guys need to get in the UFC. They love to scrap.

[RandomBalla55]

Melendez is not the best LW not in the UFC.

That'd belong to say someone like Aoki, Eddie Alvarez, or JZ Calvan IMHO. (even though JZ lost his last two fights =/)

[MarloStanfield]

Melendez is not the best LW not in the UFC.

That'd belong to say someone like Aoki, Eddie Alvarez, or JZ Calvan IMHO. (even though JZ lost his last two fights =/)
LOL. Melendez is definitely in the same class with all those guys and would probably be a slight favorite vs. all of them outside of Eddie Alvarez.

[MarloStanfield]

Also:

I love the amount of professionalism Mousasi displayed by knowing when to stop attack vs Babalu. Also he is very humble and this was seen during his celebration (or lack thereof). The great ones typically behave in a similar manner (i.e. Fedor, Lyoto, GSP, Shogun). Considering he is 24 it's especially impressive how he conducts himself. Far better and more professional than 95% of fighters out there.

[Zombles]

I don't have much interest in many guys outside of the ones I mentioned, but the non-UFC LW division is just as good as the UFC LW division. Lot of great talent floating around.



Kang would be so good if he didn't have a mental brain fart every single fight he loses.

In Kang's defense he managed to put it together mentally for a couple years and displayed some great talent. Then his fiance committed suicide (OD'd?) and it all fell apart. I feel for the guy.

[PistolPete]

damn i just realized Santos is only 24. She looks 47

[MarloStanfield]

Guys who should be fighting in the UFC:

Fedor
Alistair Overeem
Josh Barnett
Gergad Mousasi
Nick Diaz
Gilbert Melendez
Shinya Aoki
Josh Thomson
Eddie Alvarez
JZ
Little Nog
Jorge Santiago
King Mo
Jake Shields
Joachim Hansen (would get handled by most wrestlers in UFC LW division)

Kawa/Sakurai/Gomi are all either past their primes, not motivated, or too lazy.

[Eldrunko247]

Guys who should be fighting in the UFC:

Fedor
Alistair Overeem
Josh Barnett
Gergad Mousasi
Nick Diaz
Gilbert Melendez
Shinya Aoki
Josh Thomson
Eddie Alvarez
JZ
Little Nog
Jorge Santiago
King Mo
Jake Shields
Joachim Hansen (would get handled by most wrestlers in UFC LW division)

Kawa/Sakurai/Gomi are all either past their primes, not motivated, or too lazy.
Sorry, disagree. What do you mean by "should be fighting in the UFC"? I'm sure you're aware of the UFC's contract structure and how cut throat they can be. Signing with them means signing almost all your rights away. Like a deal with the devil. If that's your thing. Dana is a bonafide scumbag. That's a fact. The UFC is trying to monopolize the sport and buries other organizations and fighters in litigation to ruin them.

Care to explain to me why you feel the UFC deserves all these fighters? Other than you want to see the best fight the best?

[Showtime]

Guys who should be fighting in the UFC:

Fedor
Alistair Overeem
Josh Barnett
Gergad Mousasi
Nick Diaz
Gilbert Melendez
Shinya Aoki
Josh Thomson
Eddie Alvarez
JZ
Little Nog
Jorge Santiago
King Mo
Jake Shields
Joachim Hansen (would get handled by most wrestlers in UFC LW division)

Kawa/Sakurai/Gomi are all either past their primes, not motivated, or too lazy.
What is your take on the WEC? Many MMA fans think zuffa should just merge the UFC and WEC in order to bolster their events. It could allow the UFC to have more events that include bigger cards and more title fights overall. However, many on the opposite side like another org and name behind the lighter classes of fighters.

[MarloStanfield]

Sorry, disagree. What do you mean by "should be fighting in the UFC"? I'm sure you're aware of the UFC's contract structure and how cut throat they can be. Signing with them means signing almost all your rights away. Like a deal with the devil. If that's your thing. Dana is a bonafide scumbag. That's a fact. The UFC is trying to monopolize the sport and buries other organizations and fighters in litigation to ruin them.

Care to explain to me why you feel the UFC deserves all these fighters? Other than you want to see the best fight the best?
These are guys I'd like to see fight in the UFC because they are great fighters :confusedshrug:

[MarloStanfield]

What is your take on the WEC? Many MMA fans think zuffa should just merge the UFC and WEC in order to bolster their events. It could allow the UFC to have more events that include bigger cards and more title fights overall. However, many on the opposite side like another org and name behind the lighter classes of fighters.
I'm not really that into the WEC to be honest. At least they got rid of the higher weight classes which were embarrassing. Fights under 155 rarely interest me. There is a huge disparity in talent between lightweight and featherweight division. I'm indifferent I suppose, but I do know that I wouldn't want to pay to see any fighters under 155 on a main card outside of Kid, Joe Warren, Imanari (maybe)...

[RandomBalla55]

The 145 division is stacked, although I think Mike Brown holds onto that title for a very, very long time.

135 is intriguing now too considering that Torres just lost his belt.

They shouldn't merge the WEC into the UFC because the guys below 155 need a place to shine in the United States, and the WEC is exactly the location for it.

[sunsfan1357]

I understand Marlo saying he wants to see certain guys fight in the UFC, but I pray that none of them make the crossover/go back. It's awesome to have a different org than UFC putting on good cards. The competition may not be as deep in the higher weights, but maybe with time people will start realizing how poorly the UFC can treat fighters and are willing to go to a different org.

As for last nights card, no real surprises. The 1 round of Carano/Cyborg was entertaining. Pretty sloppy but there were times when Gina had dominant position and could've pulled something off but didn't. Cyborg just had too much energy and will to stop the fight early and that's what won it. It wasn't superior skills necessarily it's just she went out there with the goal of whooping ass and making it quick. I like Santos though, you can tell she has a love for fighting and the fans as she was signing tons of stuff on her way back to the locker room.

That was my first Mousasi fight as well and he is damn impressive.

[lefthook00]

I wanna see a F*CKING 195lbs WEIGHT CLASS ALREADY!!!! 185 to 205 is too big of a gap. It would be dope to have a cruiserweight division too(215 perhaps).

[sunsfan1357]

I wanna see a F*CKING 195lbs WEIGHT CLASS ALREADY!!!! 185 to 205 is too big of a gap. It would be dope to have a cruiserweight division too(215 perhaps).

A couple more weight divisions would be very nice. The thing about that is a lot of people say it's what turns them off from boxing. Too many weight divisions, too many people to keep track of and people eventually lose interest.

[MarloStanfield]

The weight divisions are fine and all ultra competitive. You could always make middleweight 190 lbs. and welterweight 175 and problem is solved.

Also women's MMA sucks. There is very little skill involved and zero power. Cyborg was just way too big and strong for Carano to handle and honestly could have finished her much earlier. It was like watching a man fight a boy or a woman.

[hateraid]

I wanna see a F*CKING 195lbs WEIGHT CLASS ALREADY!!!! 185 to 205 is too big of a gap. It would be dope to have a cruiserweight division too(215 perhaps).

I'd rather see them cap the HV at 245. I think at this point there's a huge gap. (Assumin ght enew TUF is a hit)

[lefthook00]

I'd rather see them cap the HV at 245. I think at this point there's a huge gap. (Assumin ght enew TUF is a hit)

Yeah and have a super heavy class or something. But that would f*ck up the talent pool in the higher weights even worse.

[lefthook00]

The weight divisions are fine and all ultra competitive. You could always make middleweight 190 lbs. and welterweight 175 and problem is solved.

Also women's MMA sucks. There is very little skill involved and zero power. Cyborg was just way too big and strong for Carano to handle and honestly could have finished her much earlier. It was like watching a man fight a boy or a woman.

Yeah you could do that. But 155 to 175? Thats INSANE, especially in the lower weights. A 20 lb weight difference from MW to LHW is more reasonable than LW to WW.

It would be cool to have:
145lbs
155lbs
165lbs
175lbs
185lbs
195lbs
205lbs
245lbs heavy cap
245lbs+ super heavy

Obviously the UFC would have to grow a sh*tload more or merge to keep the talent pool deep.

Yeah and womens MMA does suck. I consider myself a huge MMA fan and I feel bad b/c I'm guilty of the Gina Carano thing, meaning shes the ONLY reason why I tune into womens MMA fights. I wouldn't think twice about womens MMA if she wasn't there.

[dnyk1337]

lol gina is the only female fighter i know.

gegard though is definitely making me jump on the bandwagon. the kid can fight and hes only 24. i agree with marlo.

[RedBlackAttack]

The weight divisions are fine and all ultra competitive. You could always make middleweight 190 lbs. and welterweight 175 and problem is solved.

Also women's MMA sucks. There is very little skill involved and zero power. Cyborg was just way too big and strong for Carano to handle and honestly could have finished her much earlier. It was like watching a man fight a boy or a woman.
Carano continually rolled onto her stomach when Cyborg tried to mount. It happened five or six times. Cyborg could have very easily thrown in a choke and ended it on several occasions. It seemed to me that Cyborg actually tried to carry her for a while, after it became clear to her that the fight would be over whenever she wanted it to be.

Not sure what Carano was thinking by constantly giving Cyborg her back instead of just giving up side or full mount.

[The Italian]

Yeah you could do that. But 155 to 175? Thats INSANE, especially in the lower weights. A 20 lb weight difference from MW to LHW is more reasonable than LW to WW.

It would be cool to have:
145lbs
155lbs
165lbs
175lbs
185lbs
195lbs
205lbs
245lbs heavy cap
245lbs+ super heavy

Obviously the UFC would have to grow a sh*tload more or merge to keep the talent pool deep.

Yeah and womens MMA does suck. I consider myself a huge MMA fan and I feel bad b/c I'm guilty of the Gina Carano thing, meaning shes the ONLY reason why I tune into womens MMA fights. I wouldn't think twice about womens MMA if she wasn't there.
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. I actually don't think that there is anything wrong with the weight classes that they have now. The only thing that I would be ok with is having a 195 weight class, but I don't want to see 165 and all of those other divisions. It would water down the competition too much in my opinion. I honestly don't think that there is anything wrong with the way that the weight classes are currently set up.

[Jackass18]

LOL. Melendez is definitely in the same class with all those guys and would probably be a slight favorite vs. all of them outside of Eddie Alvarez.

Josh Thomson dominated Melendez. I think he needs to show a bit more before I put him on their level.

[MarloStanfield]

Josh Thomson dominated Melendez. I think he needs to show a bit more before I put him on their level.
So? Melendez has had one bad fight. Every top LW has had a bad fight or two at some point. The division is too deep/competitive not to have a night off at some point. Considering he's fought 18x vs. near top level competition and only twice by decision and just convincingly avenged one blemish is highly impressive. He can clearly beat Josh Thomson in a rematch. He didn't get dominated by Thomson any means, he lost a not so close decision. Watch his first fight vs Ishida in Pride and see how drastically he's evolved while Ishida has stayed the same (a very good active wrestler). Melendez is undoubtedly an elite LW who can hang or beat anyone when he's on.

[MarloStanfield]

Carano continually rolled onto her stomach when Cyborg tried to mount. It happened five or six times. Cyborg could have very easily thrown in a choke and ended it on several occasions. It seemed to me that Cyborg actually tried to carry her for a while, after it became clear to her that the fight would be over whenever she wanted it to be.

Not sure what Carano was thinking by constantly giving Cyborg her back instead of just giving up side or full mount.
The fight really was pathetic. It's embarrassing watching Carano end up in mount Cyborg multiple times and just be completely clueless as to any techniques whatsoever or not have any idea how to finish a fight. These are supposed to be 'elite' female fighters. It's seriously a joke.

In the two Carano fights I've unfortunately been subjected to she often lands shots right on the button of Cyborg and whoever she fought last but she has absolutely no power. It's like watching a 12 year old boy an under-developed 12 year old boy, lol.

[Jackass18]

I was really high on Melendez until the Thomson fight. I just need to see a bit more out of him before I call him a top 10 guy again.