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SAKOTXA

08-17-2009, 05:12 AM

Nash-tastic

08-17-2009, 05:19 AM

I kinda think KB tried to learn his shooting form from MJ but his left hand is a little higher but I gotta say MJ is nicer but its about the same

TryToBeUnbias

08-17-2009, 05:19 AM

you making a thread involving kobe and Mj and ask for an argument not to start is a failure beyond failing.

oh the horror

08-17-2009, 05:23 AM

Well people need to control themselves.

Dude is simply asking who has the prettier jumpshot.

We've already had a million debates on the subject of who is better....people need to relax, and answer the simple question.

My answer: Jordan. Loved his fade away, just seemed so silky smooth when he did it.

SAKOTXA

08-17-2009, 05:24 AM

you making a thread involving kobe and Mj and ask for an argument not to start is a failure beyond failing.

yes, because i think kobe, mj, ray allen, mich richmond have the nicest jumpshots . I didnt want to put ray or mich because i know almost all of u would say ray's and richmond's are nicer, so i just put this, nothing bias. Lets see if ISH users can behave:oldlol: :oldlol:

andgar923

08-17-2009, 05:28 AM

Reggie Miller.

D-Rose

08-17-2009, 05:31 AM

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee173/Solskjaer4life/9495playoffsjumpernickarh6.jpg

SAKOTXA

08-17-2009, 05:32 AM

Reggie Miller.

ROFL you're joking right? Reggie had an ugly jumper

SAKOTXA

08-17-2009, 05:33 AM

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee173/Solskjaer4life/9495playoffsjumpernickarh6.jpg

damn nice find, they look exactly the same in that pic

Harison

08-17-2009, 05:34 AM

Jordans jumpshot a little bit smoother, but they are quite similar - Kobe copied it after all. I would take Ray over both of them.

SAKOTXA

08-17-2009, 05:36 AM

Jordans jumpshot a little bit smoother, but they are quite similar - Kobe copied it after all. I would take Ray over both of them.

i would take mich richmond's over anybody

http://www.nba.com/media/act_mitch_richmond.jpg

oh the horror

08-17-2009, 05:36 AM

Jordan is a pretty good athlete you want to emulate. If you have the talent, and the tools to match Jordan's game in any way, you should definitely TRY.

Brunch@Five

08-17-2009, 05:59 AM

Kobe shoots from a little more behind his head. Also MJ had better arch on his jumper, Kobe's J is far too flat sometimes.

Tking714

08-17-2009, 06:01 AM

Kobe's shot just looks a bit smoother to me, so I say Kobe.

oh the horror

08-17-2009, 06:08 AM

Kobe shoots from a little more behind his head. Also MJ had better arch on his jumper, Kobe's J is far too flat sometimes.

I wonder why that is....perhaps Jordan's bigger hands?

OldSchoolBBall

08-17-2009, 06:11 AM

Jordan's form circa 1996-97 was absolutely flawless.

brantonli

08-17-2009, 06:12 AM

I've noticed that Kobe shoots with the ball slightly further back as well, it might be because of arm length.

IInvented

08-17-2009, 06:22 AM

Kobe coppied MJ's jumper but i'll take Ray Allen

west

08-17-2009, 07:02 AM

I wonder why that is....perhaps Jordan's bigger hands?
MJ jumps very high on a jumpshot.(Compare to the other player)

Harison

08-17-2009, 07:23 AM

MJ jumps very high on a jumpshot.(Compare to the other player)
True, that creates illusion of his very long hang time. I remember once how defender jumped AFTER Jordan jumped, and descended BEFORE MJ. All Jordan had to do so it outhang in the air and score on the way down when defender couldnt contest the shot.

RoseCity07

08-17-2009, 07:31 AM

It's funny because I have tried to explain how these special players all have the same type of releases. Mj, Kobe, Wade. Lebron's shot looks nothing like theirs though which is why I don't think Lebron will ever have a great jump shot.

It's a specific thing about the form. It's something that not even Ray Allen or any shooter quite has.

Brunch@Five

08-17-2009, 07:35 AM

MJ jumps very high on a jumpshot.(Compare to the other player)

I don't think this is the reason why he's got better arch on his jumper. Mike Bibby for example barely jumps on his shots and has great arch.
It's a pure matter of shooting mechanics, which, IMO, MJ is better at.

miller-time

08-17-2009, 07:57 AM

got to go with the original. mj.

1~Gibson~1

08-17-2009, 07:59 AM

they honestly look the same

west

08-17-2009, 08:05 AM

they honestly look the same
They look completely diff to me,MJ's body and his leg is straght up when he shoot,Kobe kick his leg out when he shoot.

I don't think this is the reason why he's got better arch on his jumper. Mike Bibby for example barely jumps on his shots and has great arch.
It's a pure matter of shooting mechanics, which, IMO, MJ is better at.
You are right.:cheers:

1~Gibson~1

08-17-2009, 08:07 AM

They look completely diff to me,MJ's body and his leg is straght up when he shoot,Kobe kick his leg out when he shoot.

You are right.:cheers:
well if that's the case i'd take Kobe

i was just judging by the pictures though

Clifton

08-17-2009, 11:26 AM

Who has the sexier left index finger: Jessica Alba or Scarlett? WHOA WHOA WHOA guys. I asked who had the sexier left index finger, NOT who is sexier, let's not go off-topic here.

KenneBell

08-17-2009, 11:33 AM

I'll go with Bean on this one.

DuMa

08-17-2009, 11:49 AM

i dont really give a rats ass about the form of the shot. as long as it goes in and is effective releasing it in front of a tight defender. Reggie had ugly form most would say and his shot was really effective.

MJ was more effective on it so therefore he wins.

Younggrease

08-17-2009, 12:00 PM

Kobe coppied MJ's jumper but i'll take Ray Allen

Ray Allen can get his jumper off from as many positions off the dribble as both Kobe and Jordan can...

Kensta

08-17-2009, 12:12 PM

They look the same to me but Kobe's shot is more flat.

Big#50

08-17-2009, 12:15 PM

Jordan>kobe at anything except for 3 point shooting.

gpfanz

08-17-2009, 12:16 PM

Mine :hammertime:

BallersTalk

08-17-2009, 12:31 PM

I wonder why that is....perhaps Jordan's bigger hands?
That and because Jordan gets much more lift on his shots. Kobe almost takes set-shots. He doesn't get a lot of lift on his jumpers.

Clifton

08-17-2009, 12:48 PM

MJ was more effective on it so therefore he wins.
Nope. Nope. mm-mm. No.
White text indicating I'm being facetious.
The question was whose shot is PRETTIER. If you don't want to engage in serious analysis of the game of basketball, post somewhere else.

redhonda76

08-17-2009, 12:56 PM

Alan Houston > All

bleedinpurpleTwo

08-17-2009, 12:57 PM

the both have terrible trajectories. Gimme Larry Bird any day.

Batchoy

08-17-2009, 01:00 PM

Thought both are similar, MJ's jumpshot looks aesthetically better. Besides, Kobe has a tendency to flail his arms during the follow through.

west

08-17-2009, 01:46 PM

Ray Allen can get his jumper off from as many positions off the dribble as both Kobe and Jordan can...
We are talking who has a prettier/better jump shot,not who is better create their own.

sic

08-17-2009, 01:55 PM

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee173/Solskjaer4life/9495playoffsjumpernickarh6.jpg

Look at kobes neck almost dissapear and compare that with MJ's form.

west

08-17-2009, 02:03 PM

Look at kobes neck almost dissapear and compare that with MJ's form.
And Kobe's tongue didn't stick out.

Lemon

08-17-2009, 02:05 PM

MJ was the best

Maniak

08-17-2009, 02:07 PM

Michael Jordan.

inclinerator

08-17-2009, 02:18 PM

i got to go with kobe bryant even tho i like mj more

Maniak

08-17-2009, 02:19 PM

How can you pick Kobe here, anyways?

He pretty much modeled it after MJ.

BallersTalk

08-17-2009, 02:22 PM

I don't consider either one fundamentally sound. But if I had to pick one to model my jumper after, it'd probably Kobe since it would work for me. Kobe modeled his after MJ, but he had to tweak it because his hands are small and he can't get nearly as much lift on his jumper.

KenneBell

08-17-2009, 02:32 PM

Kobe almost takes set-shots. He doesn't get a lot of lift on his jumpers.
Come on now, really? Most of his jumpers come off of pullups or fadeaways where he has to shoot over some one. Don't see how he could do that without getting lift.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3440/3270040426_5105a55ddb.jpg
Looks like set shot to me.:oldlol:

The way you talk about Kobe, I'd be surprised if he could score 15 points a game.

BallersTalk

08-17-2009, 02:34 PM

Come on now, really? Most of his jumpers come off of pullups or fadeaways where he has to shoot over some one. Don't see how he could do that without getting lift.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3440/3270040426_5105a55ddb.jpg
Looks like set shot to me.:oldlol:

The way you talk about Kobe, I'd be surprised if he could score 15 points a game.
Look at his younger days when he'd take threes. He'd put his right foot up and almost not jump when he takes his shot. Maybe he just doesn't leave the floor as fast cause of his lack of explosion.

KenneBell

08-17-2009, 03:11 PM

Look at his younger days when he'd take threes. He'd put his right foot up and almost not jump when he takes his shot. Maybe he just doesn't leave the floor as fast cause of his lack of explosion.
Why would you need to jump high on threes? I don't know of many players if any at all who jump high on long-range shots. It's almost all upper body from out there.

redhonda76

08-17-2009, 03:19 PM

Why would you need to jump high on threes? I don't know of many players if any at all who jump high on long-range shots. It's almost all upper body from out there.

T-Mac, VC, Ray Allen, just to name a few.

KenneBell

08-17-2009, 03:25 PM

T-Mac, VC, Ray Allen, just to name a few.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQNlF6C2mas

I'm not seeing it in that video. You have a point with Ray.

west

08-17-2009, 03:26 PM

That and because Jordan gets much more lift on his shots. Kobe almost takes set-shots. He doesn't get a lot of lift on his jumpers.
Bird is the example of taking set-shots,i think Kobe get a lot of lift on his jumpers.

dyna

08-17-2009, 04:38 PM

phoenix18

08-17-2009, 04:40 PM

Jordan or Kobe?? Oh lord. Prettiest jumpshot form I would take neither but between the two I will say Jordan.

Jasper

08-17-2009, 05:29 PM

MJ

If you saw Kobe in the beginning of his pro career , I saw lots and lots of air balls. = (Which means an undeveloped shot)

Younggrease

08-17-2009, 05:44 PM

MJ

If you saw Kobe in the beginning of his pro career , I saw lots and lots of air balls. = (Which means an undeveloped shot)

Kobe was 17 or 18

BallersTalk

08-17-2009, 05:47 PM

Kobe was 17 or 18
Shouldn't take shots you can't make. You didn't see rookie Shaq chucking threes did you?

D-Rose

08-17-2009, 05:49 PM

Shouldn't take shots you can't make. You didn't see rookie Shaq chucking threes did you?
:roll:

DuMa

08-17-2009, 06:01 PM

Shouldn't take shots you can't make. You didn't see rookie Shaq chucking threes did you?
hahahah good point :D

gxL

08-17-2009, 06:04 PM

kobe has the prettier jumpshot form. this of course, doesn't factor his abilities

edit: maybe the basketball got bigger :D

Tking714

08-17-2009, 06:04 PM

T-Mac, VC, Ray Allen, just to name a few.

Yea VC barely jumps at all on his shots. He uses mostly all upper body and its a lot prettier than Kobe's or MJ's.

west

08-17-2009, 06:06 PM

Shouldn't take shots you can't make. You didn't see rookie Shaq chucking threes did you?
Repped.:oldlol:

jleedadj

08-17-2009, 06:53 PM

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee173/Solskjaer4life/9495playoffsjumpernickarh6.jpg

look how relaxed MJ's entire body seems whereas
Kobe's is all tensed up or tightened up.

Although it seems a bit odd to judge by one photo of them shooting.

Point is:

I would love to shoot all relaxed so I take MJ.

nek1477

08-17-2009, 06:57 PM

Shouldn't take shots you can't make. You didn't see rookie Shaq chucking threes did you?
at least he had the balls to take those shots :lol
with a chuck full of veterans on that squad. I'd go with kobe's jump shot.

nnn123

08-17-2009, 07:09 PM

Jordan in the beginning of his career had a quite non-inspiring shooting form.

But towards the end of his career I think it was prettier than Kobe's current form is.

redhonda76

08-17-2009, 07:29 PM

Yea VC barely jumps at all on his shots. He uses mostly all upper body and its a lot prettier than Kobe's or MJ's.

He jumps but he is more fade-away on his shots, that's why it doesn't seem like it got enough height on his shots.

redhonda76

08-17-2009, 07:31 PM

http://img2.allposters.com/images/PHO/bk_AAIF238_8x10.jpg

amfirst

08-17-2009, 07:58 PM

Actually, Kobe and MJ shot is totally different. MJ shot is the more common type of stroke u see in the NBA. Kobe shot looks different especially when he strokes it.

bl2k8

08-09-2010, 01:11 PM

i'd take mike's he got a lot more lift but i likethe way kobe's form looks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJzUM-5DWiE&feature=player_embedded

Sarcastic

08-09-2010, 01:17 PM

Trick question. Kobe copied Jordan's form, so they are equally pretty.

Lebron23

08-09-2010, 02:56 PM

Michael Jordan

macpierce

08-09-2010, 02:58 PM

lebron james:roll:

G-Funk

08-09-2010, 03:16 PM

Kobes shot looks more gracious

Rasheed1

08-09-2010, 03:30 PM

Kobes shot looks more gracious

a gracious shot?

you mean graceful...

G-Funk

08-09-2010, 03:32 PM

a gracious shot?

you mean graceful...

lol yeah

G-Funk

08-09-2010, 03:46 PM

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j90/thug_law2002/jumpshot3.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j90/thug_law2002/jumpshot5.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j90/thug_law2002/image2Fjpeg.jpg

G-Funk

08-09-2010, 03:49 PM

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j90/thug_law2002/jumper.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j90/thug_law2002/jumpshot4.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j90/thug_law2002/jumper2.jpg

G-Funk

08-09-2010, 03:57 PM

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j90/thug_law2002/mj2.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j90/thug_law2002/mj3-1.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j90/thug_law2002/mj5.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j90/thug_law2002/mj7.jpg

G-Funk

08-09-2010, 04:00 PM

As you can see Jordan would normally lean a bit forward on his hots and keep his legs together. Kobe leans a bit back and throws his left legs forward.

whatever666

08-09-2010, 04:01 PM

Its pretty similar...

But i wouldnt call them pretty, if you want a pretty jumpshot watch somebody like Ray Allen, Glen Rice, Dale Ellis, Dell Curry...

thejumpa

08-09-2010, 04:04 PM

Its pretty similar...

But i wouldnt call them pretty, if you want a pretty jumpshot watch somebody like Ray Allen, Glen Rice, Dale Ellis, Dell Curry...

Yup. Even Steph Currys shot looks better than MJ and Kobe. But, if we had pick between the two, I'd go with Jordan. His body seems to be more control and the ball seems to roll off his fingers perfectly(due to the size of his hands).

lilojmayo

08-09-2010, 04:55 PM

Yup. Even Steph Currys shot looks better than MJ and Kobe. But, if we had pick between the two, I'd go with Jordan. His body seems to be more control and the ball seems to roll off his fingers perfectly(due to the size of his hands).

Dell Curry and Steph Curry have the best looking jumpshot forms I have ever seen. They do there's so effortless. I'll give Steph the nod though since his form is as quick as anyone in the NBA

1Time4YourMind

08-09-2010, 05:15 PM

ray allen, steph curry are my favorites. if i had to choose between the 2 i'd have to go with kobe

PowerGlove

08-09-2010, 05:38 PM

Jordan or Kobe?? Oh lord. Prettiest jumpshot form I would take neither but between the two I will say Jordan.
Still this.

whosegameisit

08-10-2010, 05:10 PM

Shooters like Ray Allen, Mark Price, Glen Rice, ALLAN HOUSTON have great shooting forms...only when they are shooting set shots, open threes. Go ask them to take two hard dribbles towards the baseline and shoot a contested 18 foot fadeaway jumper. Their forms would look awkward. No disrespect to them, they are great PURE shooters. But MJ and Kobe...they can go left and then pull-up, or go right and then pull up (much harder) while maintaining great elevation and balance. Even athletic swingmen like Vince Carter, Lebron James and D-Wade cannot do that. These guys can really jump, but I have always wondered why they never utilized their leaping ability on their jump shots.

Between Kobe and MJ, I would give the edge to Jordan (90-96) because of the ridiculous elevation on his jumpers.

SEEBASS1234

08-10-2010, 05:56 PM

Michael Bryant

MayCeltics

08-10-2010, 06:15 PM

MayCeltics

08-10-2010, 06:17 PM

http://ballersfb.nike.com/basketball_content/nba/players/profile/rajon_rondo.jpg

http://www.sportsmemorabilia.com/files/cache/rajon-rondo-nba-finals-jumpshot-celtics-8x10_e66c22fb9ff05619c677da644c2d82ed.jpg

:facepalm Love Rondo but thats just ugly. No wonder why he can't make a jumper or Free throw

Edit: Now just noticed those pictures are old. Rondo wears a sleeve now. His jumper isn't nearly that bad. It still needs some fixing.

dagreatesteva25

08-10-2010, 06:19 PM

http://dimemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/eric-gordon-lac09.jpg

http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/image_pictures/0047/2488/western_carolina_gordon_miller_crop_340x234.jpg

SICK.

ProfessorMurder

08-10-2010, 06:19 PM

http://ballersfb.nike.com/basketball_content/nba/players/profile/rajon_rondo.jpg

http://www.sportsmemorabilia.com/files/cache/rajon-rondo-nba-finals-jumpshot-celtics-8x10_e66c22fb9ff05619c677da644c2d82ed.jpg

:facepalm Love Rondo but thats just ugly. No wonder why he can't make a jumper or Free throw

I really hope he's putting in a lot of time taking jumpers this offseason after the international play.

YaoMingYaoMing

08-10-2010, 06:21 PM

kingkeno

08-10-2010, 08:17 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQQoFmTqKPg

.51 seconds

Lovely

jstern

08-10-2010, 09:27 PM

Wow, a Kobe Jordan tread with pretty much no trolling. Were a lot of people recentely banned?

They're pretty much equal to me, but I like Jordan's fade aways much better.

Calabis

08-10-2010, 11:04 PM

I think Kobe and Jordan are very similar, with Kobe flaring his legs a little more, but if I had to pick a jumper, this guys is to smooth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Lt4QasmnTI)

Crystallas

08-10-2010, 11:33 PM

Jordan had one key difference. He would jump as high as he could within ballance to take his shot. Kobe's form and Jordan's later form are nearly identical, considering all of the small differences in their bodies, but Jordan's early shot was a good 5" higher off the ground, regardless of how he made the shot, or spot up.

Other than that, this is as equal of a comparison, as you can get.

whatever666

08-10-2010, 11:42 PM

Shawn Marion wins imo!

or Chuck Hayes = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wQq9YWZ568

NuggetsFan

08-10-2010, 11:45 PM

Neither have the prettiest. I'd go with someone like Ray Allen\J.J Reddick\Curry\Nash probably.

SinJackal

08-10-2010, 11:47 PM

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/0806/nba.best.playoff.jump.shots/images/1.shot.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_s98LW1lYkx4/Sb5lz8P7vsI/AAAAAAAAABU/KnJsFXeCajI/s400/Kobe%2BJumpshot.jpg

please don't start any kobe/MJ arguments, this is just about their forms and nothing else

Their shots look almost exactly the same. Except Kobe pulls the ball down a little more since he has to a larger % of his total strength into his shot from feep than MJ did. Their forms look very similar though. Hard to say either looks better than the other. Both are roughly equal 3pt shooters anyway. Kobe takes a lot more than MJ though, so perhaps slight edge to him. Though (it seems like) Jordan jumps higher when he took his jumpshots, when I compare Jordan vids to Kobe vids (any year).

ImmortalD24

08-11-2010, 12:11 AM

Kobe shoots from a little more behind his head. Also MJ had better arch on his jumper, Kobe's J is far too flat sometimes.
I think thats just because Kobe has longer arms (despite Jordan having bigger hands).

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4704/2vkz22x.jpg

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/gallery/03nbaallstargame/kobe-jordan.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/2exq1pc.jpg
^ Yes I purposely blurred that image to avoid getting the stans riled up.. just using the few images I have.

And to the unbolded.. :facepalm Totally disagree.

KenneBell

08-11-2010, 12:20 AM

^ I never noticed that. I wonder why no got wingspan measurements on either of them?

Both of them have some seriously flat shots sometimes, probably because of the elevation they get. I remember watching Kobe one year, '08 I think, and all of his shots were straight line drives. I couldn't believe that some of them went in. :oldlol:

Kind of hard to differentiate their jumpers though, especially once they are up in the air. Their setup is different. Kobe developed a windup along the way that he uses from time to time.

jstern

08-11-2010, 01:58 AM

HannibalKid

08-11-2010, 02:04 AM

both are a thing of beauty :applause:

lefthook00

08-11-2010, 03:01 AM

Interesting, cause I've always wondered about Kobe's body type, because the way he moves seems a little lankier than Jordan. I don't know how to explain it, but Kobe seemed a little slower than Jordan because his body type, his genes seemed to come from the part of Africa that has long distance runners, while Jordan's seem to come from the West Africa, where the slaves came from, who are a little bit more athletic. It's really hard to explain.

It's because Kobe has a longer torso and his legs are anti-bowlegged, both which can be athletic disadvantages. And his muscle bellies and insertions are different, meaning if they were both bodybuilders, he would look worse than MJ.

I think Kobe's form is way prettier. MJ kind of looks like a nerd when he shoots a J(not his fadeaway). He kind of sticks his butt out and shoots too far out from his body. Kobe shoots lasers, and they look cooler when the ball hits the back of the rim and goes straight down in a 90 degree angle.

OldSchoolBBall

08-11-2010, 03:11 AM

I think Kobe's form is way prettier. MJ kind of looks like a nerd when he shoots a J(not his fadeaway). He kind of sticks his butt out and shoots too far out from his body. Kobe shoots lasers, and they look cooler when the ball hits the back of the rim and goes straight down in a 90 degree angle.

Hysterical considering Kobe has almost THE SAME EXACT FORM as '96-98 Jordan. :oldlol:

bl2k8

08-11-2010, 03:18 AM

Hysterical considering Kobe has almost THE SAME EXACT FORM as '96-98 Jordan. :oldlol:
similar not identical though, just look at the pics in this thread

StarJordan

08-11-2010, 05:10 AM

Jordan's jumpshot average was close to 50%. Kobe's less. So Mike's better.

Whose J was better looking? Sports Illustrated put Mike's on the cover far more time than Kobe's. That should answer that.

OldSchoolBBall

08-11-2010, 08:24 AM

similar not identical though, just look at the pics in this thread

Different angles on the pics, and they're in slightly different stages of the shooting motion. That accounts for any differences you see. Watching their games is the easiest way to see that Kobe's form is a virtual mirror image of MJ's post-1992 form. Kobe may have a slightly higher release point, but aside from that they're identical.

sodap

08-11-2010, 08:53 AM

Ray Allen has the prettiest jumpshot ever

But Jordan's is prettier than Kobe's, he was more "gracile", not as forced. However, Kobe did a good job cloning it, if MJ wasnt such an ass he would be pretty proud and pleased by such a compliment and honor kobe is doing him by just trying to be like him and carrying that as far as kobe has done.

Calabis

08-11-2010, 09:05 AM

SinJackal

08-11-2010, 11:13 AM

I think thats just because Kobe has longer arms (despite Jordan having bigger hands).

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4704/2vkz22x.jpg

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/gallery/03nbaallstargame/kobe-jordan.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/2exq1pc.jpg
^ Yes I purposely blurred that image to avoid getting the stans riled up.. just using the few images I have.

And to the unbolded.. :facepalm Totally disagree.

Last image is invalid for your argument imo, because Kobe's vert was obviously much better at that point in their careers, and thus, MJ's jumpshot was not that difficult to block as it used to be, especically by a player with a at least 10" better at the time. If not even moreso. Did you post that to troll? You even called people out before clicking post.

To prove my point that it's invalid, pictures speak louder than words.

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/images/2008/06/14/pierce_blocks_kobe.jpg

Whoops? It's easy to just post a pic of someone getting blocked than pretend it somehow proves your whole point even though it's wrong. I could sit here for 10 minutes saying how Pierce has wingspan a half a foot longer than Kobe's based on this pic too. Obviously that isn't the case, since it's a pic and they're not standing next to eachother with their arms straight out specifically to be compared.

Getting blocked also has to do with the verts of the players involved, not just wingspan. A good vert can easily make up for a lesser wingspan. After all, a good wingspan just means you don't have to jump as much to get a block (in terms of the discussion that is, obviously wingspan has other appllications). So one fanboy image you probably have as your wallpaper isn't making a good point.

Also. . Kobe's arms are less than an inch longer, max. The pictures aren't with both players with their arms completely stretched out. Both pics have MJ's arm curved slightly and Kobe's are almost completely straight, making his appear to be longer in contrast. This has been talked about before, and the researched conclusion was that they had the exact same wingspan, and Kobe had a slightly better standing reach due to his body structure. And, that MJ's vert was what, almost 8" better than Kobe's during their primes? This means the ball would be nearly half a foot higher during a Jordan jumpshot than during a Kobe jumpshot.

If you want a source posting the standing reaches, verts, highest touches, etc, here you go.

http://vertcoach.com/highest-vertical-leap.html

Post stats rather than pics which clearly aren't fair to use since at least one of their arms are always bent in the pic while the other's is stretched out. Stats > pics.

In the end, both have very similar looking jumpshots. It is obvious Jordan's jumpshot influenced Kobe's form. Both have great jumpshots. Both look nice imo. The main visual analysis is that Kobe seems to have a "looser" jumpshot while MJ seemed to try and retain his main shooting form during as many situations as possible, not resorting to unorthodox forms when taking contested shots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA9zcOhrUWo

Or here's a video I just looked up of both of them (And LeBron) making similar jumpshots in similar situations, apparenty made by an ISH poster a couple years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-WtCpiuFYU

beermonsteroo

08-11-2010, 12:09 PM