Bill Maher: "This Country is dumber than a bucket of $hit"

[Wizardly Cool]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLZCzXWH4hc
Bill Maher says America is a Stupid Country

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKIgjhCD_KM
Bill Maher 08/07/09

Finally I can agree with the man on something... Except I could cross off and add a few things to his list.

[phoenix18]

Why did he feel the need to say this now? Its pretty much an accepted fact that the majority of Americans are idiots. Its not like he is saying anything controversial or that he is going out on a limb. Bill is just being redundant with emphasis.

[ZeN]

Sadly it is very very true... Most americans are clueless about the worlds on-goings, and even are confused about this countries own dealings..

[Interminator]

Why did he feel the need to say this now? Its pretty much an accepted fact that the majority of Americans are idiots. Its not like he is saying anything controversial or that he is going out on a limb. Bill is just being redundant with emphasis.
This.

The problem is when someone says that those "Real American American's" get upset and say "Leave this country if you think its stupid".A lot of Americans are a pathetic people in general, however its just a bigger crop of pathetic people because there are more people in this country.

There is a reason why Asians, Africans, and Indians continue to come to this country, reap the immense benefits of the educational system, and then head back home. Those who stick around become "Americanized" and are unable to leave.

[phoenix18]

This.

The problem is when someone says that those "Real American American's" get upset and say "Leave this country if you think its stupid".A lot of Americans are a pathetic people in general, however its just a bigger crop of pathetic people because there are more people in this country.

There is a reason why Asians, Africans, and Indians continue to come to this country, reap the immense benefits of the educational system, and then head back home. Those who stick around become "Americanized" and are unable to leave.
QFT. International students used to stay in the United States and find a job but now they are just going back to their home country. I am laughing because after this year I will be doing the same.

[wang4three]

Why did he feel the need to say this now? Its pretty much an accepted fact that the majority of Americans are idiots. Its not like he is saying anything controversial or that he is going out on a limb. Bill is just being redundant with emphasis.

Did you watch the clip? He was responding to a question. It's not like he overtly said it without context.

Bill's a smart guy, though lately he's gone to a more cynical route. I like what he did with Religilous though. Outside of his conclusion, he was on point most of the time.

[Smokee]

Why did he feel the need to say this now? Its pretty much an accepted fact that the majority of Americans are idiots. Its not like he is saying anything controversial or that he is going out on a limb. Bill is just being redundant with emphasis.


If you watch his show he says it all of the time, but its more aimed at the right wing that believes and pushes things like Obama's birth certificate, terrorist ties, neglected half brother, and things along these lines. ISH has about a handful of the same type of retards that actually believe these things and think they are so relevant :rolleyes:

A portion of the right wing of America are some of the most ignorant, conspiracy laden racists and extremists that perpetuate a lot of the stupidity. Left and right are nothing alike, i don't know why people pretend to say that. On the left the extremists are like PETA, Greenpeace, etc, on the right you have the gun rights nuts, religious zealots, anti-abortion nutcases.

Anyways he does call the left dumb too, and i don't always agree with Bill Maher, but a lot of the stuff he says is pretty obvious, too bad most of the right wing of America doesn't realize how retarded they are.

[Eldrunko247]

If you watch his show he says it all of the time, but its more aimed at the right wing that believes and pushes things like Obama's birth certificate, terrorist ties, neglected half brother, and things along these lines. ISH has about a handful of the same type of retards that actually believe these things and think they are so relevant :rolleyes:

A portion of the right wing of America are some of the most ignorant, conspiracy laden racists and extremists that perpetuate a lot of the stupidity. Left and right are nothing alike, i don't know why people pretend to say that. On the left the extremists are like PETA, Greenpeace, etc, on the right you have the gun rights nuts, religious zealots, anti-abortion nutcases.

Anyways he does call the left dumb too, and i don't always agree with Bill Maher, but a lot of the stuff he says is pretty obvious, too bad most of the right wing of America doesn't realize how retarded they are.
This is a prime example of "dumber than a bucket of shlt".

[Interminator]

QFT. International students used to stay in the United States and find a job but now they are just going back to their home country. I am laughing because after this year I will be doing the same.
Yeah I heard an American education looks great on a job record overseas, even if someone went to a **** school like Arizona State it will look impressive.

You damn Canadians invading the US to attend one of our numerous universities, drink our beer, listen to our music, and have sex with our women for 4 years then head back to Canada with your degree from one of our schools to get a higher paying job than your fellow Canadian graduates.:mad:

[phoenix18]

Yeah I heard an American education looks great on a job record overseas, even if someone went to a **** school like Arizona State it will look impressive.

You damn Canadians invading the US to attend one of our numerous universities, drink our beer, listen to our music, and have sex with our women for 4 years then head back to Canada with your degree from one of our schools to get a higher paying job than your fellow Canadian graduates.:mad:
:oldlol: I have been in America for 11 years. I have done enough invading for a lifetime. Dont worry, I'll visit.

[Smokee]

This.

The problem is when someone says that those "Real American American's" get upset and say "Leave this country if you think its stupid".A lot of Americans are a pathetic people in general, however its just a bigger crop of pathetic people because there are more people in this country.

There is a reason why Asians, Africans, and Indians continue to come to this country, reap the immense benefits of the educational system, and then head back home. Those who stick around become "Americanized" and are unable to leave.


Thing is you can't say this is most of America. As usual the ones who scream the loudest are often the most heard. You will rarely if ever see anyone on the left telling someone that, as opposed to right wing retards guilt tripping patriotism, being American, etc. and if you don't like leave the country type of BS.

Becoming 'Americanized' is pretty different from what you're talking about. I consider being Americanized kind of becoming spoiled by our food, entertainment, and overall culture. Thats not the same as becoming an ignorant patriotic redneck.

[BULLZ]

Starface would call you all a bunch of liberal ****.

[Smokee]

Starface would call you all a bunch of liberal ****.


'liberal' just means open minded. Its crazy how 'conservatives' pretend to use it in such a diragatory way. Who is worse? someone that condemns, and pushes their beliefs on you, or people open minded to your beliefs or way of life?

Thats all there really is to it

[bdreason]

It's almost like Americans pride themselves on being big and dumb.

The only thing that seperates the big and dumb, from the smart and talented in America is the idea of capitalism, and competition.

Now that the government is trying to socialize everything, Americans will only get more lazy and dumb.

Why work to get better when the government will just pay your way?

[Smokee]

This is a prime example of "dumber than a bucket of shlt".


yeah the right is pretty dumb but i already said that :violin:

[boozehound]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLZCzXWH4hc
Bill Maher says America is a Stupid Country

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKIgjhCD_KM
Bill Maher 08/07/09

Finally I can agree with the man on something... Except I could cross off and add a few things to his list.
Didnt watch the videos but hes right. America has a prideful ignorance and anti-intellectual mentality. Look at the current manifestation of the GOP. They are able to manipulate huge swaths of the populace through fear mongering and buzzwords (freedom, communism, terror, etc.). Pretty sad really

[boozehound]

It's almost like Americans pride themselves on being big and dumb.

The only thing that seperates the big and dumb, from the smart and talented in America is the idea of capitalism, and competition.

Now that the government is trying to socialize everything, Americans will only get more lazy and dumb.

Why work to get better when the government will just pay your way?
uh, news flash. The govt already "socialized" everything. The power grid, power plants, agricultural subsidies, transportation systems, police, military, education, etc.

As far as healthcare, this idea that private enterprise will use competition to keep the price low and make the system more efficient is a boldface lie. We have had a private enterprise insurance system for decades and where has it left us? Paying nearly twice as much as the next most expensive system for the 37th ranked health service in the world. Private enterprise has failed in healthcare (other than generating massive profits for the actual companies). We spend 10x as much as Cuba per person and have worse average healthcare.

We may have the best doctors, but we have the worst healthcare system (and I know Drs. who agree with this sentiment wholeheartedly).

[Smokee]

It's almost like Americans pride themselves on being big and dumb.

The only thing that seperates the big and dumb, from the smart and talented in America is the idea of capitalism, and competition.

Now that the government is trying to socialize everything, Americans will only get more lazy and dumb.

Why work to get better when the government will just pay your way?


So you're saying all countries with national healthcare are lazy and dumb? :confusedshrug:

There is still way more incentive to work hard and get rich through capitalism, than this exaggeration America is anything close to 'socialist'. Don't let the right wing screaming and exaggerations fool you. We are still a 95% capitalistic society.

[rufuspaul]

Didnt watch the videos but hes right. America has a prideful ignorance and anti-intellectual mentality. Look at the current manifestation of the GOP. They are able to manipulate huge swaths of the populace through fear mongering and buzzwords (freedom, communism, terror, etc.). Pretty sad really

Sure glad that doesn't happen anywhere else in the world.

[Eldrunko247]

yeah the right is pretty dumb but i already said that :violin:
I'm talking about you. You are a prime example of "dumber than a bucket of shlt". You know nothing about politics. You just parrot what the mainstream media spoon feeds you and a Obama dlck-rider.

[phoenix18]

I'm talking about you. You are a prime example of "dumber than a bucket of shlt". You know nothing about politics. You just parrot what the mainstream media spoon feeds you and a Obama dlck-rider.
:roll: Why you gotta be so cold? Cant we have a civil discussion? This isnt a town hall meeting, you know!

[Hawker]

QFT. International students used to stay in the United States and find a job but now they are just going back to their home country. I am laughing because after this year I will be doing the same.

Except you're not an international student...

[Rasheed1]

uh, news flash. The govt already "socialized" everything. The power grid, power plants, agricultural subsidies, transportation systems, police, military, education, etc.

As far as healthcare, this idea that private enterprise will use competition to keep the price low and make the system more efficient is a boldface lie. We have had a private enterprise insurance system for decades and where has it left us? Paying nearly twice as much as the next most expensive system for the 37th ranked health service in the world. Private enterprise has failed in healthcare (other than generating massive profits for the actual companies). We spend 10x as much as Cuba per person and have worse average healthcare.

We may have the best doctors, but we have the worst healthcare system (and I know Drs. who agree with this sentiment wholeheartedly).


.

the media and the politicians would love for the public to believe the bogeyman is coming, but the truth is that it already happened years ago...

these people look dumb because they are being manipulated to fight for a battle that was lost a long time ago.... they fight for things that dont even benefit themselves.... they are the ultimate puppets on a string and even though alot of these people come off as racists and ignorant fools, I still feel sorry for them because if they only knew how much of fools they are played for they would be extremely upset (even more than they are now)

[Smokee]

I'm talking about you. You are a prime example of "dumber than a bucket of shlt". You know nothing about politics. You just parrot what the mainstream media spoon feeds you and a Obama dlck-rider.


lmao i knew that you jackass. I was ****ing with you, otherwise i would've put a :pimp: or :cheers: instead of a :violin:

People like you trip me out tho. You don't know **** about what you're pretending to call someone else out on. I don't think i've ever read anything of actual knowledge or current events from you. Go ahead and debate what i said, you can't. Why? Because you're a retard.

Trust me kid, i'm WAY more of an independent thinker than you, or most people on this forum are. I may be wrong sometimes but i'll admit that if someone makes logical points. Not some moron that doesn't even know what sarcasm is :ohwell:

[Eldrunko247]

:roll: Why you gotta be so cold? Cant we have a civil discussion? This isnt a town hall meeting, you know!
Tell me Smookee ain't "dumber than a bucket of shlt" and I will back off. Go back and read what he has posted in this thread and tell me that doesn't make you want to take a machete to his face.

[Smokee]

:roll: Why you gotta be so cold? Cant we have a civil discussion? This isnt a town hall meeting, you know!


Don't mind him. He's been trying to come at me here for a long time now. I think i made fun of his mom a while back and ever since he's been a pretty angry Smokee hater :lol

Its just funny he tried to call me out on politics, when he's completely clueless on the topic.

[Sanity]

Bill is funny and intelligent but I never take him too seriously. Before the Bush administration he was for light profiling and much more moderate viewpoints. Now he's much more liberal and left leaning. Maybe after Obama he'll become a bible thumper. Lol

I love the way he handled the 9-11 truthers on his show though. :oldlol:

[Smokee]

Tell me Smookee ain't "dumber than a bucket of shlt" and I will back off. Go back and read what he has posted in this thread and tell me that doesn't make you want to take a machete to his face.


Argue it. You can't. But you're a dumbass that doesn't know **** about politics, and the 'groups' that makeup each party. Nor do you even follow current events even remotely.

Just stick to calling me names, clearly debating is way over your heard kid :no:

[phoenix18]

Except you're not an international student...
What do you mean? I was born in Canada so doesnt that make me an international student? Most colleges say so.

[Smokee]

Bill is funny and intelligent but I never take him too seriously. Before the Bush administration he was for light profiling and much more moderate viewpoints. Now he's much more liberal and left leaning. Maybe after Obama he'll become a bible thumper. Lol

I love the way he handled the 9-11 truthers on his show though. :oldlol:


Maher was always left, even when he had Politically Incorrect. He got the show canceled and fired for saying terrorists were brave, right? I know it was something like that where the right wing patriotic 9/11 jerkoffs were attacking him for the comment :confusedshrug:

If anything these days he's had a lot to say criticizing the left.

[Hawker]

What do you mean? I was born in Canada so doesnt that make me an international student? Most colleges say so.

I was born in Scotland...doesnt make me an international student.

[bdreason]

uh, news flash. The govt already "socialized" everything. The power grid, power plants, agricultural subsidies, transportation systems, police, military, education, etc.

As far as healthcare, this idea that private enterprise will use competition to keep the price low and make the system more efficient is a boldface lie. We have had a private enterprise insurance system for decades and where has it left us? Paying nearly twice as much as the next most expensive system for the 37th ranked health service in the world. Private enterprise has failed in healthcare (other than generating massive profits for the actual companies). We spend 10x as much as Cuba per person and have worse average healthcare.

We may have the best doctors, but we have the worst healthcare system (and I know Drs. who agree with this sentiment wholeheartedly).


You assume everyone should have healthcare... like it's an inherent right for ALL humans to live and prosper.

Why should the government pay for Welfare (free Children), free Education, free Healthcare, etc.???

What ever happened to, "survival of the fit, only the strong survive" ???

Nowadays, it's "survival of the fit... and everyone survives because the fit pays for the weak to live".

I know my opinions aren't popular, trust me, I've had arguments with many of my good friends about it. For example, if a poor person gets a terminal illness like Cancer, and can't afford to pay for the medical bills, then that person should just die.

Why should someone else pay (through government taxes) hundreds of thousands of their own hard earned money to pay for someone else to survive, who will most likely never contribute to society, and will almost certainly cost more than they will ever produce?

I realize it's somewhat of a disgusting stance on the situation, but it's also the way that the world has worked before humans started changing the rules; the weak and sick die, the strong and healthy live. This is the reality of life on the planet, except for with humans.

This is the reason so many dumb and fat people thrive in America. Want to have some kids? No problem, government will pay for it. Can't afford education? (or aren't even from this Country).. no worries, Government will pay for it. Can't afford to keep yourself healthy (even though you eat Cheeseburgers everyday).. no problem, Government will pay for it.

I don't know about you, but I keep myself healthy. I pay my medical bills. I payed for my own education... and I haven't had any children (yet) because I understand the huge financial burden. It's called being responsible and self-reliant. I already pay half of my paycheck to taxes so other people can feed off government services... and it's bullshyt.

[boozehound]

What do you mean? I was born in Canada so doesnt that make me an international student? Most colleges say so.
are you here on a student visa? unless you left canada to come to the US for school, you arent an international student.

[Sanity]

Maher was always left, even when he had Politically Incorrect. He got the show canceled and fired for saying terrorists were brave, right? I know it was something like that where the right wing patriotic 9/11 jerkoffs were attacking him for the comment :confusedshrug:

If anything these days he's had a lot to say criticizing the left.

He was a huge Clinton guy when he was in office but that's the only "liberal democrat" thing I remember him being for. He had an episode with cops on there and said they have the hardest job in the world and that people need to stop *****ing about the few cops that mistreat people. He was best friends with Ann Coulter and him and Bill O'Reilly use to hang out on occasion.

[Hawker]

uh, news flash. The govt already "socialized" everything. The power grid, power plants, agricultural subsidies, transportation systems, police, military, education, etc.

As far as healthcare, this idea that private enterprise will use competition to keep the price low and make the system more efficient is a boldface lie. We have had a private enterprise insurance system for decades and where has it left us? Paying nearly twice as much as the next most expensive system for the 37th ranked health service in the world. Private enterprise has failed in healthcare (other than generating massive profits for the actual companies). We spend 10x as much as Cuba per person and have worse average healthcare.

We may have the best doctors, but we have the worst healthcare system (and I know Drs. who agree with this sentiment wholeheartedly).

dude...50% of healthcare is by the government
2/3 of all healthcare is government healthcare.

This isn't a true private enterprise.

Lasik eye surgery stopped being covered by insurance companies and guess what prices went down and quality went up.
Same thing with cosmetic surgery and contacts.

[boozehound]

What ever happened to, "survival of the fit, only the strong survive" ???

if you are talking about social darwinism, it has never been a reality, simply a rubric used to promote political viewpoints (over a century ago I might add). Humans are inherently social beings, and being members of a society requires altruistic aspects (there are even evolutionary reasons for altruism). Take a step back from the US and ask yourself why we are the only ecnomically-powerful/industrialized nation that does not have universal healthcare of some sort? As I pointed out before, we spend more per person on a below average healthcare system than anywhere else. and for what?


is education a universal right? Police protection? Fire department response? roads and raillines? Hydroelectric dams? The power grid? military defense? food access? You fail to answer my prior post. the government has (and has had) "socialized" almost everything you use on a daily basis. Why is that ok and not healthcare?

The US trucking industry couldnt operate without the publicly funded road system, etc. The very foundations of the modern life you enjoy depend on government "socialization". Typical strawman argument.

[Rasheed1]

Nowadays, it's "survival of the fit... and everyone survives because the fit pays for the weak to live".

there is no reason to have a society at all if the most base beliefs of any animal will still be the rule...

we are supposed to evolve so we live longer and more healthy lives

what needs to be looked is where the balance comes in... where is the balance... we dont need to live like savages, but we also dont need to continue the welfare state..

to a degree government is here to protect the citizens and provide a degree of stability without compromising our freedom...

on one hand you cant just have law of the jungle...

but

on the other hand, no one gets taken care for free in the real world... when the government controls you, they own you....

the constitution has a pretty good balance IMO... I'd like to stick to that, but politicians have already twisted alot of what was intended... people need to educate themselves then return to the argument .


this sh*t you watch on television and read in the papers everyday is a show

[boozehound]

dude...50% of healthcare is by the government
2/3 of all healthcare is government healthcare.

This isn't a true private enterprise.

Lasik eye surgery stopped being covered by insurance companies and guess what prices went down and quality went up.
Same thing with cosmetic surgery and contacts.
2 things, your #s are inflated.

and what about lasic? It stopped being covered by what? and the prices went down? exactly. Nothing to do with govt funded healthcare. The bloated tick in the room is the insurance industry. I can go to the doc right now and get a significant discount (10-15%) if I pay it completely out of pocket rather than involve insurance. So, clearly, there is a major inefficiency in the current insurance industry that needs to be addressed.

[boozehound]

He was a huge Clinton guy when he was in office but that's the only "liberal democrat" thing I remember him being for. He had an episode with cops on there and said they have the hardest job in the world and that people need to stop *****ing about the few cops that mistreat people. He was best friends with Ann Coulter and him and Bill O'Reilly use to hang out on occasion.
just because you support cops doesnt mean you arent a liberal. Sheesh, you live in a two-dimensional world. hes always been progressive.

[Smokee]

You assume everyone should have healthcare... like it's an inherent right for ALL humans to live and prosper.

Why should the government pay for Welfare (free Children), free Education, free Healthcare, etc.???

What ever happened to, "survival of the fit, only the strong survive" ???

Nowadays, it's "survival of the fit... and everyone survives because the fit pays for the weak to live".

I know my opinions aren't popular, trust me, I've had arguments with many of my good friends about it. For example, if a poor person gets a terminal illness like Cancer, and can't afford to pay for the medical bills, then that person should just die.

Why should someone else pay (through government taxes) hundreds of thousands of their own hard earned money to pay for someone else to survive, who will most likely never contribute to society, and will almost certainly cost more than they will ever produce?

I realize it's somewhat of a disgusting stance on the situation, but it's also the way that the world has worked before humans started changing the rules; the weak and sick die, the strong and healthy live. This is the reality of life on the planet, except for with humans.

This is the reason so many dumb and fat people thrive in America. Want to have some kids? No problem, government will pay for it. Can't afford education? (or aren't even from this Country).. no worries, Government will pay for it. Can't afford to keep yourself healthy (even though you eat Cheeseburgers everyday).. no problem, Government will pay for it.

I don't know about you, but I keep myself healthy. I pay my medical bills. I payed for my own education... and I haven't had any children (yet) because I understand the huge financial burden. It's called being responsible and self-reliant. I already pay half of my paycheck to taxes so other people can feed off government services... and it's bullshyt.


I'd understand your perspective if life were completely fair, but its far from fair and even. There are people who sit on their ass all day in an office with A/C that make 100x's more than people who work in the hot sun all day laboring, living day to day trying to feed a family barely making it. How hard you work doesn't always equal success and ease of life, more than what you were born into, what field of work you chose(this is so one sided its not even funny in some comparisons), and random luck. Not saying hard work doesn't get you places, but there are a lot of people who have had life much easier than others that reap all of the benefits, while the hard working person is struggling and ends up screwed unable to afford healthcare, amongst other necessities. I just don't get how people can justify the wealth gap in America when its so disproportional, and people are struggling to the degree they are. ITs not lazyness, and half the rich people in this country are a lot more lazy day to day because they can be.

I used to think life was so fair and equal, depending on how hard you worked. When i grew up and got into the 'real world', the biggest thing i realized is nothing is fair and just, more than it is what it is. For example what career field you decide to go into will dictate how much you struggle financially a LOT more than how hard you work at the field, or how much better than everyone else you might be at it. The worst lawyer will still make a hell of a lot more than the best teacher.

[Hawker]

2 things, your #s are inflated.

and what about lasic? It stopped being covered by what? and the prices went down? exactly. Nothing to do with govt funded healthcare. The bloated tick in the room is the insurance industry. I can go to the doc right now and get a significant discount (10-15%) if I pay it completely out of pocket rather than involve insurance. So, clearly, there is a major inefficiency in the current insurance industry that needs to be addressed.


I agree with that.

[Sanity]

just because you support cops doesnt mean you arent a liberal. Sheesh, you live in a two-dimensional world. hes always been progressive.

That was just one example. I'm all for being progressive cause that's what the forefathers would of wanted. It's a shame that the progressive movement has been perverted by retards. Also I live in a realistic world where I try to see things for what they really are. Even if I was 2 dimensional it's still better than looking at the world through a keyhole :D

[Smokee]

He was a huge Clinton guy when he was in office but that's the only "liberal democrat" thing I remember him being for. He had an episode with cops on there and said they have the hardest job in the world and that people need to stop *****ing about the few cops that mistreat people. He was best friends with Ann Coulter and him and Bill O'Reilly use to hang out on occasion.


He's definitely not best friends with Anne Coulter. He did have a week long debate event with her somewhere, but even right after that he was talking about how much of a nut she was. I think he tries to be friends enough with people on the right to get them on his show. He was going out of his way to be nice to Megan Mccain even tho she came across as a 12 yr old lil girl trying to talk politics when she came on his show. He's also had other Republicans of whom he's pretty nice to, and tries to help them out a little bit since his audience and general guests are so left.

With Bill O Reilly i can't remember much between them. Maybe you're right about that.

[Smokee]

dude...50% of healthcare is by the government
2/3 of all healthcare is government healthcare.

This isn't a true private enterprise.

Lasik eye surgery stopped being covered by insurance companies and guess what prices went down and quality went up.
Same thing with cosmetic surgery and contacts.


privatized does not always mean better. have you shopped for healthcare of late? Have you been hit with the telemarketing from supposed healthcare providers trying to sell you on what they call 'healthcare', but all it really is are coupons on specific medical expenses? There is just so much dishonesty when its about profit.

Besides, even if there were national healthcare, i bet there will be more specialized doctors and options of top private doctors you'll have if you feel the government recommended doctors are less than adequate. It bothers me when people say this since i think a lot of you will still use the national healthcare doctors because its cheaper for 99% of your medical needs.

[Sanity]

He's definitely not best friends with Anne Coulter. He did have a week long debate event with her somewhere, but even right after that he was talking about how much of a nut she was. I think he tries to be friends enough with people on the right to get them on his show. He was going out of his way to be nice to Megan Mccain even tho she came across as a 12 yr old lil girl trying to talk politics when she came on his show. He's also had other Republicans of whom he's pretty nice to, and tries to help them out a little bit since his audience and general guests are so left.

With Bill O Reilly i can't remember much between them. Maybe you're right about that.

Not any more you're right. I've heard him say they really don't talk at all anymore and that she is in fact a nut job(which she is). They use to be cool though


As anybody who ever watched Bill Maher knows, Maher never denied his friendship with Coulter and has openly defended their relationship on air in the past.

Link (http://www.newshounds.us/2007/03/05/john_gibson_distorts_bill_maher_comment_to_defend_ ann_coulter.php)

[bdreason]

I'd understand your perspective if life were completely fair, but its far from fair and even. There are people who sit on their ass all day in an office with A/C that make 100x's more than people who work in the hot sun all day laboring, living day to day trying to feed a family barely making it. How hard you work doesn't always equal success and ease of life, more than what you were born into, what field of work you chose(this is so one sided its not even funny in some comparisons), and random luck. Not saying hard work doesn't get you places, but there are a lot of people who have had life much easier than others that reap all of the benefits, while the hard working person is struggling and ends up screwed unable to afford healthcare, amongst other necessities. I just don't get how people can justify the wealth gap in America when its so disproportional, and people are struggling to the degree they are. ITs not lazyness, and half the rich people in this country are a lot more lazy day to day because they can be.

I used to think life was so fair and equal, depending on how hard you worked. When i grew up and got into the 'real world', the biggest thing i realized is nothing is fair and just, more than it is what it is. For example what career field you decide to go into will dictate how much you struggle financially a LOT more than how hard you work at the field, or how much better than everyone else you might be at it. The worst lawyer will still make a hell of a lot more than the best teacher.


I don't think life is fair or balanced. However, a person born into a poor family / environment is just a product of the machine. Why is someone who works at McDonalds and can't afford to pay thier own bills going to have 3 kids?! That kind of irresponsiblity should be punished, not subsidized.

My parents didn't have much growing up. They both worked hard, built a small business, then had children that they could afford to pay for and educate. I plan on doing the same. This is the system that should be promoted.

You can get health insurance for 70$ a month. If you can't afford that, then you haven't made intelligent decisions in your life... and probably aren't a very intelligent person. Maybe it isn't your fault... maybe your parents were the dumbasses that couldn't afford to properly educate you (because they made poor decisions). Regardless of the excuse, we need to stop perpetuating the problem like everyone is a victim.

Once again, I realize my opinions aren't popular. I don't look at the world on a person to person basis. I look at the world as a whole, and what humans as a species need to do in order to better ourselves.

"Survival of the fit, only the strong survive"

You guys should here my views on Democracy someday... they are even more controversial (at least that's what friends tell me).

I mean, are we really going to base policies off of what the average, uneducated citizen votes for? That sounds like a great idea. :rolleyes:

[Sanity]

I don't think life is fair or balanced. However, a person born into a poor family / environment is just a product of the machine. Why is someone who works at McDonalds and can't afford to pay thier own bills going to have 3 kids?! That kind of irresponsiblity should be punished, not subsidized.

My parents didn't have much growing up. They both worked hard, built a small business, then had children that they could afford to pay for and educate. I plan on doing the same. This is the system that should be promoted.

You can get health insurance for 70$ a month. If you can't afford that, then you haven't made intelligent decisions in your life... and probably aren't a very intelligent person. Maybe it isn't your fault... maybe your parents were the dumbasses that couldn't afford to properly educate you (because they made poor decisions). Regardless of the excuse, we need to stop perpetuating the problem like everyone is a victim.

Once again, I realize my opinions aren't popular. I don't look at the world on a person to person basis. I look at the world as a whole, and what humans as a species need to do in order to better ourselves.

"Survival of the fit, only the strong survive"

You guys should here my views on Democracy someday... they are even more controversial (at least that's what friends tell me).

I mean, are we really going to base policies off of what the average, uneducated citizen votes for? That sounds like a great idea. :rolleyes:

That's the sad part. This should be the normal mentality but it's not. It's a lack of responsibility for ones self and then asking the country to fix your own **** ups.

[Smokee]

where can you get healthcare for $70/month? Full coverage?

Considering i've shopped around, and ended up going with Blue Cross Blue Shield for like $150~/month, and it was even a $1000 deductible of personal payments before what their coverage kicked in :confusedshrug:

[bdreason]

where can you get healthcare for $70/month? Full coverage?

Considering i've shopped around, and ended up going with Blue Cross Blue Shield for like $150~/month, and it was even a $1000 deductible of personal payments before what their coverage kicked in :confusedshrug:


So everyone should have full coverage health-care? So everytime someone gets a cold they can go to the Doctor and get some prescription (and probably addictive) drugs to make them all better?

What about illegal immigrants? Should they get full health coverage paid for by the Government? If that's the case, any sick person in the world can just come to the US and get free medical care... sweet deal!

You reall think the Government can handle healthcare? The state I live in (California) is already going bankrupt... and you think they can handle offering full-coverage healthcare to everyone? :roll:

And at what cost?

I'm going to laugh my ass off when the value of the Dollar plummets because of all this excessive Government spending. The fed thinks they can just keep printing money and everything is going to be ok... Eventually, the value of the Dollar will suffer, and then poor people making 8$ an hour won't even be able to afford to eat and pay rent (but at least they'll have full-coverage healthcare!).

I guess the Government can just start public housing and public restaurants once that happens. :applause:

[bagelred]

'liberal' just means open minded. Its crazy how 'conservatives' pretend to use it in such a diragatory way. Who is worse? someone that condemns, and pushes their beliefs on you, or people open minded to your beliefs or way of life?

Thats all there really is to it

:applause:

[shlver]

I believe every American should be able to get health insurance coverage that is affordable. Coverage should meet their criteria and and their needs. A one-size-fits-all government controlled program is inefficient and costly.

[Gundress]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLZCzXWH4hc
Bill Maher says America is a Stupid Country

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKIgjhCD_KM
Bill Maher 08/07/09

Finally I can agree with the man on something... Except I could cross off and add a few things to his list.


He's right. It's why this country keeps going back to the Republicans even though their clear intention is to destroy this government.

[shlver]

He's right. It's why this country keeps going back to the Republicans even though their clear intention is to destroy this government.
smh.

[Gundress]

smh.


LMAO:oldlol:

[boozehound]

You can get health insurance for 70$ a month.
no you cant. maybe through a job that offers it (or some other major consortium like a university). even 10 years ago I was paying 700 year for 10k deductible. Insurance purchased by the individual is really expensive.

[bdreason]

no you cant. maybe through a job that offers it (or some other major consortium like a university). even 10 years ago I was paying 700 year for 10k deductible. Insurance purchased by the individual is really expensive.

You can get basic Kaizer Permanante health care for 76$ a month regardless of income. They even have cheaper programs (steps program) for people with lower incomes.


Anyway, I'm not here to defend the current health system... our health system is a joke. I'm just here to tell you the Government can't do better. What they need to do is develop strict regulations on private healthcare. Of course, I also don't think everyone should just be given full health care.

Why does a woman who is 300lbs overweight, has 3 kids, no education, and no job deserve full health care benefits just given to her? We're talking about a person who has done nothing right in their life, and is just a sponge on society in my opinion.

That bytch is a waste of space, and I'm going to pay for her to live with my tax money? No thanks.

[boozehound]

Anyway, I'm not here to defend the current health system... our health system is a joke. I'm just here to tell you the Government can't do better.
then why do so many of the single payer, universal health care programs in other countries provide much better average healthcare at a fraction of the price. You and shlver saying a govt "one size fits all program" cant work havent looked at healthcare across the world. It can and does work in every other industrialized country.

[Lamar Doom]

i'd wager the percentage of dumb americans is right on par with percentage of dumb earthlings. people in general are unaccountable dumb sh*ts with selfish drives and egocentric perspectives. nothing too shocking here.

[shlver]

then why do so many of the single payer, universal health care programs in other countries provide much better average healthcare at a fraction of the price. You and shlver saying a govt "one size fits all program" cant work havent looked at healthcare across the world. It can and does work in every other industrialized country.
Really? Does it?
Check this out.
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman/issues/healthcare/socialized.html

[White Chocolate]

Sad part is Maher's comments were pretty accurate. The fact that no one was lining up to kill him further proves his point.

[bada bing]

You assume everyone should have healthcare... like it's an inherent right for ALL humans to live and prosper.

Why should the government pay for Welfare (free Children), free Education, free Healthcare, etc.???

What ever happened to, "survival of the fit, only the strong survive" ???

Nowadays, it's "survival of the fit... and everyone survives because the fit pays for the weak to live".

I know my opinions aren't popular, trust me, I've had arguments with many of my good friends about it. For example, if a poor person gets a terminal illness like Cancer, and can't afford to pay for the medical bills, then that person should just die.

Why should someone else pay (through government taxes) hundreds of thousands of their own hard earned money to pay for someone else to survive, who will most likely never contribute to society, and will almost certainly cost more than they will ever produce?

I realize it's somewhat of a disgusting stance on the situation, but it's also the way that the world has worked before humans started changing the rules; the weak and sick die, the strong and healthy live. This is the reality of life on the planet, except for with humans.

This is the reason so many dumb and fat people thrive in America. Want to have some kids? No problem, government will pay for it. Can't afford education? (or aren't even from this Country).. no worries, Government will pay for it. Can't afford to keep yourself healthy (even though you eat Cheeseburgers everyday).. no problem, Government will pay for it.

I don't know about you, but I keep myself healthy. I pay my medical bills. I payed for my own education... and I haven't had any children (yet) because I understand the huge financial burden. It's called being responsible and self-reliant. I already pay half of my paycheck to taxes so other people can feed off government services... and it's bullshyt.

wow. this is just one amazing piece of opinion. I am surprised people still feel this way and are so selfish. I would have assumed humanity has surpassed this survival of the fittest through evolution but I guess these right wing conservatives want to return to our roots......

oops hold on there.....you guys don't believe in evolution right? yet you talk about survival of the fit? maaaan...i hope there aren't many people in this country that believe or have a similar opinion to yours. Otherwise this country is going to ****.

[White Chocolate]

I don't think life is fair or balanced. However, a person born into a poor family / environment is just a product of the machine. Why is someone who works at McDonalds and can't afford to pay thier own bills going to have 3 kids?! That kind of irresponsiblity should be punished, not subsidized.


I agree with that. Some people have no business having kids.



My parents didn't have much growing up. They both worked hard, built a small business, then had children that they could afford to pay for and educate. I plan on doing the same. This is the system that should be promoted.


Your parents seem like hardworking people and I'm sure they raised you to be the same way.



You can get health insurance for 70$ a month. If you can't afford that, then you haven't made intelligent decisions in your life... and probably aren't a very intelligent person. Maybe it isn't your fault... maybe your parents were the dumbasses that couldn't afford to properly educate you (because they made poor decisions). Regardless of the excuse, we need to stop perpetuating the problem like everyone is a victim.


Yes, you can get the insurance. But the quality is going to be piss poor. Not everyone can afford an education. Some people have to go to work straight out of high school, some even prior to graduation for various reasons.



Once again, I realize my opinions aren't popular. I don't look at the world on a person to person basis. I look at the world as a whole, and what humans as a species need to do in order to better ourselves.


You can only worry about yourself. You have no control over the rest of your species.



"Survival of the fit, only the strong survive"


In evolutionary terms, yes. But you don't necessarily have to be fittest or strongest. Anyone with decent health will survive.

[shlver]

wow. this is just one amazing piece of opinion. I am surprised people still feel this way and are so selfish. I would have assumed humanity has surpassed this survival of the fittest through evolution but I guess these right wing conservatives want to return to our roots......

oops hold on there.....you guys don't believe in evolution right? yet you talk about survival of the fit? maaaan...i hope there aren't many people in this country that believe or have a similar opinion to yours. Otherwise this country is going to ****.
What the hell are you talking about?
Read an evolutionary textbook and enlighten yourself that this phrase has developed connotations from popular literature(not scientific) and is not analogous to evolution at all.

[bada bing]

What the hell are you talking about?
Read an evolutionary textbook and enlighten yourself that this phrase has developed connotations from popular literature(not scientific) and is not analogous to evolution at all.

clearly you are a moron. You are unable to figure out that I was referring to that clown as a conservative and we all know conservatives in this country are brain dead apes who do not know the meaning. I know what you mean but that selfish moron doesn't. Now stfu before the back of my left hand meets your face and puts your in your place. idiot. Dont make me get an ape to ass **** you and make a bigger hole than what your daddy left you with.

[shlver]

clearly you are a moron. You are unable to figure out that I was referring to that clown as a conservative and we all know conservatives in this country are brain dead apes who do not know the meaning. I know what you mean but that selfish moron doesn't. Now stfu before the back of my left hand meets your face and puts your in your place. idiot. Dont make me get an ape to ass **** you and make a bigger hole than what your daddy left you with.
:roll: You're a ****ing idiot. How the **** do you know he's a conservative or not? By his view on healthcare? Idiot. I can give you countless positions from liberal democrats that oppose universal healthcare. In addition, how do you know all conservatives don't believe in evolution? Get the **** out with your stupid assumptions.

[bdreason]

wow. this is just one amazing piece of opinion. I am surprised people still feel this way and are so selfish. I would have assumed humanity has surpassed this survival of the fittest through evolution but I guess these right wing conservatives want to return to our roots......

oops hold on there.....you guys don't believe in evolution right? yet you talk about survival of the fit? maaaan...i hope there aren't many people in this country that believe or have a similar opinion to yours. Otherwise this country is going to ****.


I believe in pulling your own weight... something very few people do in this Country. I also believe in accountability... something also lost along the way.

I don't consider myself a selfish person. In fact, I'm one of the most giving people that I know. Mainly because I've done well financially, and it makes me feel good to help friends and family.

And yes, I believe in Evolution. Although I question a lot of the timelines established for the existance of certain human societies.

[sergiorodriguez]

This.

The problem is when someone says that those "Real American American's" get upset and say "Leave this country if you think its stupid".A lot of Americans are a pathetic people in general, however its just a bigger crop of pathetic people because there are more people in this country.

There is a reason why Asians, Africans, and Indians continue to come to this country, reap the immense benefits of the educational system, and then head back home. Those who stick around become "Americanized" and are unable to leave.
It is propaganda that international students come here to reap the benefits of our supposed 'superior' education system. In reality, the universities of nations such as norway, germany, france, japan, china, yes even third world countries like India, Argentina and Cuba, are much more difficult and demanding than american schools. The reason international students come to America is because America has so many more schools than in their native country, and are therefor it is much easier to get into a good American school than it is for example to get in to tokyo university.

America has one of the worst education systems with the lowest standards amongst other countries considered 1st world. That explains alot why so much of americans are stupid.

[sergiorodriguez]

You can get basic Kaizer Permanante health care for 76$ a month regardless of income. They even have cheaper programs (steps program) for people with lower incomes.


Anyway, I'm not here to defend the current health system... our health system is a joke. I'm just here to tell you the Government can't do better. What they need to do is develop strict regulations on private healthcare. Of course, I also don't think everyone should just be given full health care.

Why does a woman who is 300lbs overweight, has 3 kids, no education, and no job deserve full health care benefits just given to her? We're talking about a person who has done nothing right in their life, and is just a sponge on society in my opinion.

That bytch is a waste of space, and I'm going to pay for her to live with my tax money? No thanks.
Do you know that France the nation has free universal healthcare, and only 11% tax rates for the majority of the nation?

If you payed 11% of your income for government tax (similar to what Americans pay in most states) would you be pissed off that the government was spending that money on the universal healthcare system instead of on developing prototype weaponry that costs trillions of dollars?

Also universal healthcare DOES NOT lead to lazy, crappy doctors. Did you know that France and Britain REWARD doctors working under them for having patients with lower blood pressure or doctors who get their patients to quit smoking?

There is really no downside to universal healthcare. People bring up BS about beauracrats getting in the way of everything, but it is worse how it is now, with health insurance companies finding loopholes to get around everything.

Universal healthcare has no downsides, and would not need to raise taxes if it was implemented properly. However a bunch of idiots like bdreason belief all this ignorant tomfoolery spouting out of republicans mouths, and probably their parents mouths as well. You should educate yourself before you try to talk about what you dont know anything about.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Do you know that France the nation has free universal healthcare, and only 11% tax rates for the majority of the nation?

If you payed 11% of your income for government tax (similar to what Americans pay in most states) would you be pissed off that the government was spending that money on the universal healthcare system instead of on developing prototype weaponry that costs trillions of dollars?

Also universal healthcare DOES NOT lead to lazy, crappy doctors. Did you know that France and Britain REWARD doctors working under them for having patients with lower blood pressure or doctors who get their patients to quit smoking?

There is really no downside to universal healthcare. People bring up BS about beauracrats getting in the way of everything, but it is worse how it is now, with health insurance companies finding loopholes to get around everything.

Universal healthcare has no downsides, and would not need to raise taxes if it was implemented properly. However a bunch of idiots like bdreason belief all this ignorant tomfoolery spouting out of republicans mouths, and probably their parents mouths as well. You should educate yourself before you try to talk about what you dont know anything about.

[QUOTE]November 14, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com)

[Knuck the Ficks]

There is really no downside to universal healthcare.
:oldlol:

How about the fact that:

- People who make smart decisions are forced to pay for the actions of retards. Why should intelligent individuals be forced to pay for meth-addicts, fatties, single mothers and all-around scum?

- Governments who implement universal healthcare are forced to rule an entire profession with an iron fist. We don't put a cap on the earnings of investment bankers so why do it to doctors?

- Taking private investment out of healthcare is a ridiculously stupid idea. Why do you think that most advances in medical technology come from the United States? It's because the companies who develop it are allowed to charge whatever they want.

If you want to trash the current system then you'll hear little argument from me. But pretending that there is no downside to universal healthcare is flat out wrong.

[Showtime]

No downsides except bankrupt a country. A typical loon spouting far left rhetoric.
Last time I checked, this country is bankrupt. The Fed's idea of a fix is just printing more money, and of course, borrowing from China. Get your chopsticks ready Bill.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Last time I checked, this country is bankrupt. The Fed's idea of a fix is just printing more money, and of course, borrowing from China. Get your chopsticks ready Bill.

I agree, It's a ridiculous idea. Bush added 5 trillion to the national debt in 8 years. Obama has spent over a trillion in only 8 months. Obama is gonna hurt this country even more if he doesn't open his eyes soon.

[Long Duck Dong]

Do you know that France the nation has free universal healthcare, and only 11% tax rates for the majority of the nation?

If you payed 11% of your income for government tax (similar to what Americans pay in most states) would you be pissed off that the government was spending that money on the universal healthcare system instead of on developing prototype weaponry that costs trillions of dollars?


The average personal income rate for most of France isn't 11% you blithering idiot. It's 50% as a nation versus 28% in the USA. Almost double and 3rd highest in the civilized world. No wonder you can have such strong ideals when it's backed up by pure garbage. Either that or some opinion leader has you strung around his or her finger, so as you question nothing that they tell you.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Income_Taxes_By_Country.svg/800px-Income_Taxes_By_Country.svg.png

[Zombles]

Every time I see that figure for the U.S. corporate tax rate I :(

"Let's tax the most productive sectors of society higher than other places they could operate from do !"

".... brilliant."

[AmoebaD]

what the hell is going on in hungary? corporations gone wild? long duck dong, can you give me the source of this, i just want to see if they go into further detail about these statistics.

anyway, there has been a healthy discussion on this health care debate on this site and i don't feel the need to rehash any of it. some people think health care is a right, some don't. the bill won't pass anyway, obama has done an incredibly bad job pitching his reform even with all the democratic power in washington.

i guess checks and balances work, depending on your perspective. i support the public option, but i understand our country is not ready for drastic reform and can not handle a complete overhaul of our established system.

[IcanzIIravor]

You assume everyone should have healthcare... like it's an inherent right for ALL humans to live and prosper.

Why should the government pay for Welfare (free Children), free Education, free Healthcare, etc.???

What ever happened to, "survival of the fit, only the strong survive" ???

Nowadays, it's "survival of the fit... and everyone survives because the fit pays for the weak to live".

I know my opinions aren't popular, trust me, I've had arguments with many of my good friends about it. For example, if a poor person gets a terminal illness like Cancer, and can't afford to pay for the medical bills, then that person should just die.

Why should someone else pay (through government taxes) hundreds of thousands of their own hard earned money to pay for someone else to survive, who will most likely never contribute to society, and will almost certainly cost more than they will ever produce?

I realize it's somewhat of a disgusting stance on the situation, but it's also the way that the world has worked before humans started changing the rules; the weak and sick die, the strong and healthy live. This is the reality of life on the planet, except for with humans.

This is the reason so many dumb and fat people thrive in America. Want to have some kids? No problem, government will pay for it. Can't afford education? (or aren't even from this Country).. no worries, Government will pay for it. Can't afford to keep yourself healthy (even though you eat Cheeseburgers everyday).. no problem, Government will pay for it.

I don't know about you, but I keep myself healthy. I pay my medical bills. I payed for my own education... and I haven't had any children (yet) because I understand the huge financial burden. It's called being responsible and self-reliant. I already pay half of my paycheck to taxes so other people can feed off government services... and it's bullshyt.

Are you longing for the Gilded Age and Robber Barons?

[bada bing]

to those that are against this whole providing healthcare to the poor, what is your solution to this whole healthcare fiasco in the US? We need to implement a change in our healthcare immediately and need a solution. The democrats came up with a solution and the republicans are pissed off cuz their voters, who are mostly rich spoiled people, are getting screwed for being a little less selfish.

so what is your solution and what are the conservatives proposing to change our healthcare? do they even have a solution or do they just want to continue this path of destruction?

[supersmashbros]

Why did he feel the need to say this now? Its pretty much an accepted fact that the majority of Americans are idiots. Its not like he is saying anything controversial or that he is going out on a limb. Bill is just being redundant with emphasis.
Americans are sometimes so dumb and clueless that even can laugh at them. They are some how the most 'educated and technologically advanced and wealthiest nation' yet they are more or less dumbasses. I wonder why...

[Mamba]

1/4 american's can't find america on the globe.

i think that's saying more then enough

[Rasheed1]

I believe in pulling your own weight... something very few people do in this Country. I also believe in accountability... something also lost along the way.

I don't consider myself a selfish person. In fact, I'm one of the most giving people that I know. Mainly because I've done well financially, and it makes me feel good to help friends and family.

And yes, I believe in Evolution. Although I question a lot of the timelines established for the existance of certain human societies.


this is the f*cked up attitude that perpetuates the hate people have for one another...

assuming that most people are leeches and that people arent worth looking out for is what is making us hostile towards each other...

alot of people are in bad situations, and some are truly just lazy. but if you obsess over the few lazy people and harbor resentment more than work to better the whole, then you are the problem more than you are part of the solution

again.. I dont believe in a welfare state, but young people complaining about other people pulling their weight is total bullsh*t...

how much weight do you pull?

if you are such a good and giving person, why dont your personal ideas reflect that? your ideas say you're a selfish person who has an inflated view of himself for no good reason

[supersmashbros]

1/4 american's can't find america on the globe.

i think that's saying more then enough
They are just blissfully ignorant and brainwashed by pretentious, materialistic pop culture. Their culture is crude despite its technological advance ness coz the only thing that matter is profit and not anything of lasting value.

[Clifton]

The rest of the world has sensibly moved on to the superior option and America the lone wolf refuses to budge for absolutely no reason. It's like the metric system, except people are dying.

As for Bill Maher... I hate Bill Maher.

[goldenryan]

yeah most of american is stupid look at the sh!t that passes for entertainment it's not really breaking news.




http://davepear.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/breaking-news.gif
:D

[bada bing]

this is the f*cked up attitude that perpetuates the hate people have for one another...

assuming that most people are leeches and that people arent worth looking out for is what is making us hostile towards each other...

alot of people are in bad situations, and some are truly just lazy. but if you obsess over the few lazy people and harbor resentment more than work to better the whole, then you are the problem more than you are part of the solution

again.. I dont believe in a welfare state, but young people complaining about other people pulling their weight is total bullsh*t...

how much weight do you pull?

if you are such a good and giving person, why dont your personal ideas reflect that? your ideas say you're a selfish person who has an inflated view of himself for no good reason

excellent post. Its amazing that a young person that hasn't started his career or is barely starting it is talking about people carrying their own weight! How about parents stop caring for their children and tell them to go live on their own? How about teachers stop caring about students and tell them to go study and learn material on their own? The fact, that idiot, needs to realize is no one gets anything done in this world or this country on their own. Its all due to someone else's help and advice. This selfish moron doesn't understand what it means to be out there in the work force or take care of himself yet has the audacity to talk about carrying his own weight around. moron.

All these conservatives that have similar arguments are typical hypocrites as well. They all have special interests in corporations and their voters vote for them based on getting help in the future in terms of taxes or any other interests. Tell them to carry their own weight! These selfish pigs are what ruined the financial institutions around the world and are going to ruin healthcare and finally break this country down.

[AmoebaD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jng4TnKqy6A

its ridiculous that some guy on youtube did a better job than any democrat or our president in presenting a concise case for why the public option is a viable approach to health care reform.

[bdreason]

excellent post. Its amazing that a young person that hasn't started his career or is barely starting it is talking about people carrying their own weight! How about parents stop caring for their children and tell them to go live on their own? How about teachers stop caring about students and tell them to go study and learn material on their own? The fact, that idiot, needs to realize is no one gets anything done in this world or this country on their own. Its all due to someone else's help and advice. This selfish moron doesn't understand what it means to be out there in the work force or take care of himself yet has the audacity to talk about carrying his own weight around. moron.

All these conservatives that have similar arguments are typical hypocrites as well. They all have special interests in corporations and their voters vote for them based on getting help in the future in terms of taxes or any other interests. Tell them to carry their own weight! These selfish pigs are what ruined the financial institutions around the world and are going to ruin healthcare and finally break this country down.


oh please. I give plenty back to the people that helped me along the way... and continue to. I gaurantee I've given more back to my community than you have, or probably ever will.

The difference is, I get to choose where I spend my money (friends, family, etc.)... instead of just handing it to the Government who have proven they don't know how to use it effectively or effeciently.


I'm sorry you can't afford 76$ a month for health insurance.

[bada bing]

oh please. I give plenty back to the people that helped me along the way... and continue to. I gaurantee I've given more back to my community than you have, or probably ever will.

The difference is, I get to choose where I spend my money (friends, family, etc.)... instead of just handing it to the Government who have proven they don't know how to use it effectively or effeciently.


I'm sorry you can't afford 76$ a month for health insurance.

i am in med school.

[shlver]

i am in med school.
What does that have to do with anything?

[lazerface]

As for Bill Maher... I hate Bill Maher.

bill maher is the man and you know it.

[shlver]

stop being an ignorant dumb retard. Its in response to the whole giving back to the community thing, spending money where it matters and affording $76 for insurance nonsense that monkey was talking about. Now if you still can't decode the meaning, go shoot yourself in the head and maybe if you are in Chicago I might see you in the ER.
This is what we have for doctors now. Posting nonsensical, illiterate bull**** insulting me won't get your points across. First, try using proper grammar and punctuation, then try to formulate a clear post why you being in medical school is a response to his post.

[bdreason]

i am in med school.

And I have a BA in Economics and a Master's in International Trade Policy.

You think choosing one of the most lucrative professions makes you altruistic? :oldlol:

[Hawker]

It is propaganda that international students come here to reap the benefits of our supposed 'superior' education system. In reality, the universities of nations such as norway, germany, france, japan, china, yes even third world countries like India, Argentina and Cuba, are much more difficult and demanding than american schools. The reason international students come to America is because America has so many more schools than in their native country, and are therefor it is much easier to get into a good American school than it is for example to get in to tokyo university.

America has one of the worst education systems with the lowest standards amongst other countries considered 1st world. That explains alot why so much of americans are stupid.

lolz irony

[Hawker]

excellent post. Its amazing that a young person that hasn't started his career or is barely starting it is talking about people carrying their own weight! How about parents stop caring for their children and tell them to go live on their own? How about teachers stop caring about students and tell them to go study and learn material on their own? The fact, that idiot, needs to realize is no one gets anything done in this world or this country on their own. Its all due to someone else's help and advice. This selfish moron doesn't understand what it means to be out there in the work force or take care of himself yet has the audacity to talk about carrying his own weight around. moron.

All these conservatives that have similar arguments are typical hypocrites as well. They all have special interests in corporations and their voters vote for them based on getting help in the future in terms of taxes or any other interests. Tell them to carry their own weight! These selfish pigs are what ruined the financial institutions around the world and are going to ruin healthcare and finally break this country down.

Is this guy serious? You're as bad as smokee dude.

[darius15]

He's right. Just throwing out an example, but 90% of Americans think Hawaii is a state. Who the hell are the 10% who don't think so? That is just plain stupid.

[White Chocolate]

He's right. Just throwing out an example, but 90% of Americans think Hawaii is a state. Who the hell are the 10% who don't think so? That is just plain stupid.


Never mind that; don't like 1/4 or 1/5 of Americans can't even find the U.S. on a map?

[JustinJDW]

Sadly, Maher is right. To be honest, he is right about most things.

[Jack]

Just to clear out some things.

America has top-world class universities. You can check the ranks of Top 100 World Universities and the majority is American.

Second. Every freaking nation on this planet has people dumber than a bucket of $hit. I do not understand why people comment only the stupidity of Americans. I myself who was born and raised in Europe have met sooo much dumber people than the Americans. I go to the American College based in Europe. It is by mile better.

Do you really think that people in Sweden, Norway, UK, France, Germany know all basic facts about life, world, sports..

Stupidity does not choose a country, color of skin, nor the age.

[~primetime~]

"1/3rd of all Americans think blah blah blah..."

well does that include children and elderly?...or how about the insanly large chunk of this country that can't even speak English?...

statements like the ones he is making are too generic...

I love Bill Maher and I understand the point he is trying to make, but we didn't become the most powerful country on the planet because we are dumber than everyone else...

[boozehound]

Really? Does it?
Check this out.
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman/issues/healthcare/socialized.html
posting an obviously biased site with an agenda? Sure, thats much more credible than the World Health Organization.

All those newspaper links could be compiled for the US as well, and dont really offset the statistical data used by the WHO.

Sure, the US has much more medical technology available than Canada. Maybe thats why they over-use all that equipment (like the MRI), so they can pay for one in every hospital. US health has become way too focused on per cost procedures rather than actual primary care. Many Drs. will tell you the same thing.

[boozehound]

:oldlol:

How about the fact that:

- People who make smart decisions are forced to pay for the actions of retards. Why should intelligent individuals be forced to pay for meth-addicts, fatties, single mothers and all-around scum?

- Governments who implement universal healthcare are forced to rule an entire profession with an iron fist. We don't put a cap on the earnings of investment bankers so why do it to doctors?

- Taking private investment out of healthcare is a ridiculously stupid idea. Why do you think that most advances in medical technology come from the United States? It's because the companies who develop it are allowed to charge whatever they want.

If you want to trash the current system then you'll hear little argument from me. But pretending that there is no downside to universal healthcare is flat out wrong.

well, first of all, you already pay for the healthcare of all those welfare mothers and other undesirables. Its the working poor and the lower class that are caught in the middle with their pants down.

Great. Comparing medicine (with the Hippocratic oath) to investment bankers. why put a cap on the earnings of teachers? Or policemen? They should be able to respond only if you agree to pay them enough. SOunds like a great system.

Most advances in medicine and medical technology are already "socialized" in that they are almost all funded by government research grants.

[boozehound]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jng4TnKqy6A

its ridiculous that some guy on youtube did a better job than any democrat or our president in presenting a concise case for why the public option is a viable approach to health care reform.
because they cant go against the monied interests and win re-election. Even if obama wanted a universal system (I dont think he does), there is no way he puts his neck out there since he cant get the votes due to the current corporate control of our election process through campaign contributions and 3rd party ads.

[boozehound]

Just to clear out some things.

America has top-world class universities. You can check the ranks of Top 100 World Universities and the majority is American.

Second. Every freaking nation on this planet has people dumber than a bucket of $hit. I do not understand why people comment only the stupidity of Americans. I myself who was born and raised in Europe have met sooo much dumber people than the Americans. I go to the American College based in Europe. It is by mile better.

Do you really think that people in Sweden, Norway, UK, France, Germany know all basic facts about life, world, sports..

Stupidity does not choose a country, color of skin, nor the age.
go look at the graduate student population at these top universities (particularly in applied components like engineering and the basic sciences). A large minority (even a majority in some departments) are all international students planning on getting a degree and leaving. The brain drain is a very real thing.

[boozehound]

And I have a BA in Economics and a Master's in International Trade Policy.

You think choosing one of the most lucrative professions makes you altruistic? :oldlol:
of course you think how you do. The world is just a bunch of $ to you huh. and, yes, I would say becoming a Dr. and taking the Hippocratic oath makes you much more altruistic than pursuing a career path that has no worth outside of profiteering off of middlemanning the products of other peoples labor.

[rufuspaul]

How is it in your department Booze?

[Jack]

go look at the graduate student population at these top universities (particularly in applied components like engineering and the basic sciences). A large minority (even a majority in some departments) are all international students planning on getting a degree and leaving. The brain drain is a very real thing.

Sorry but that has nothing to do with America. The thing is that those once called "third-world" countries nowadays are making big economic progress. That is why Internationals are going home.

Of course America is having a downturn at the moment and that won't going to change in a couple of years.

America still has the knowledge. I am going to play the DV Lottery this year. Things are bad but still remember;after the rain comes the sun.

Some European countries are just getting hit by recession. These bad times are bad for everyone including America, most of the Europe, Asia, Australia etc.

So to conclude this thing, of course people want to get back to their homeland after studying in the States. That should be a normal trend, nothing strange. Some people are going to stay, some are going to leave.

Just my 2 cents.

[Akrazotile]

Its pretty much an accepted fact that the majority of Americans are idiots.


This is true. niko is living proof.

[SpecialQue]

This is true. niko is living proof.

You resurrected a 5 year old thread for this stupid "zinger"?

[Akrazotile]

You resurrected a 5 year old thread for this stupid "zinger"?



http://sectalk.com/board/public/imported_images/troll.me/yo-wtf-dawg.jpg

[Stuckey]

This is true. niko is living proof.

welcome to the ignored list 14er

[AintNoSunshine]

This bucket of shiit is also the greatest country in the world, I wonder what would he compare other countries to.

[gigantes]

This bucket of shiit is also the greatest country in the world, I wonder what would he compare other countries to.
any country that doesn't have the bratty self-entitlement complex that we do might be a good choice.

[Akrazotile]

This bucket of shiit is also the greatest country in the world, I wonder what would he compare other countries to.

USA!
USA!
USA!

[Just2McFly]

This is true. niko is living proof.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

quoting posts from my "im a virgin living with my parents" era? thats REACHING

[Akrazotile]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

quoting posts from my "im a virgin living with my parents" era?


Arent you still in that era?

[chosen_one6]

This bucket of shiit is also the greatest country in the world, I wonder what would he compare other countries to.

It is a great country but that doesn't mean it isn't a bucket of shit.