Ten Most Important People in Hip-Hop History?

[L.Kizzle]

No order ...


-Russell Simmons
-Run-DMC
-NWA (Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, Eazy-E)
-The Fresh Prince/Will Smith
-Queen Latifah
-Tupac Shakur
-Puff Daddy
-Master P
-Jay-Z
-James Brown and George Clinton


Anyone agree?

[~primetime~]

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/3893004/RZA.jpg

[T.O.RAPS]

Also public enemy, and kanye

[TakitoEspanoza]

strong people counting skills by Kizzle

[L.Kizzle]

strong people counting skills by Kizzle
I didn't know what to put, I was gonna put artist, but Russ Simmons isn't an artist ...

[Richie2k6]

Public Enemy has to squeeze in there somewhere. KRS is a candidate too.

[L.Kizzle]

Public Enemy has to squeeze in there somewhere. KRS is a candidate too.
This is not a ten greatest rappers list, but the most important people in hip-hop. Although I should put Public Enemy here.

[Kumo]

:oldlol: no Rakim? The most influential MC of all time?

This.

[BRabbiT]

No order ...


-Russell Simmons
-Run-DMC
-NWA (Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, Eazy-E)
-The Fresh Prince/Will Smith
-Queen Latifah
-Tupac Shakur
-Puff Daddy
-Master P
-Jay-Z
-James Brown and George Clinton


Anyone agree?


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Q5lBi7y0_OQ/SkONQvGEtfI/AAAAAAAACpc/lx9aYRVLBDs/s400/brown+bambaataa+1-1.jpg

Bambaata


http://www.maddecent.com/blog/blogphotos/GrandmasterFlash.jpg

Grandmaster Flash


http://www.jayquan.com/hercblo3.jpg

kool herc

[andgar923]

No order ...


-Russell Simmons
Run-DMC
NWA (Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, Eazy-E)
-The Fresh Prince/Will Smith
-Queen Latifah
-Tupac Shakur
-Puff Daddy
-Master P
-Jay-Z
-James Brown and George Clinton


Anyone agree?
Red means NO, blue agree.

Here's a better list:

Kool Herc
Russell Simmons
Ice T
Uncle Luke
Rick Rubin
Rakim
Curtis Blow
Beastie Boys
Sugarhill Gang
RZA

Kool Herc is credit as the inventor of hip hop, without him we aint having this discussion.

Russell made it a legit business.

Ice T original gangster rapper and movie star. And he put the West on the map, paving the way for NWA.

Uncle Luke is more important to music in general than just hip hop. He fought for freedom of speech and censorship. As well as being one of the godfathers of Southern hiphop.

Rick Rubin was the first super producer/a&r extraordinaire. But even more important than the hits he made, is he is even more responsible for Def Jam Records than Russell. They remain good friends.

Rakim revolutionized hip hop by taking it to the next level.... he was a huge seismic impact segueing hip hop into the next generation.

Curtis Blow was the first hip hop superstar (this is debatable)

Hip hop's main audience is 'white' people. Beastie Boy's impact is extremely and grossly underrated, as they introduced it to the world. Without them, hip hop doesn't reach the masses, and their record "Paul's Boutique" is the epicenter (like Rakim was to rapping) for production. Completely revolutionizing the way people sample records forever. Instead of just the usual 'loop' it becomes more scientific and technical.

Sugarhill Gang, they put hip hop on the map by having the first legit hit and taking it out of the clubs.

RZA changed the way contracts are made, completely changing not just hip hop but the entire music industry.


Some are debatable, but others shouldn't be.

[brwnman]

I thought with your unconditional love of Gilbert Arenas you'd tried to sneak him in here somewhere...

[Story Up]

Rakim, Tupac Shakur, Chuck D, Russell Simmons, Kool Herc, Afrikaa Bambatta, Kool G. Rap, Roxanne Shante, Beastie Boys and Puff Daddy.

This of course is my opinion.

[NY Comeback]

MC Search :banana:

Nas >>>

Oh yeah, and some other people...

[L.Kizzle]

BUMP

IS this a good starting point? Any additions or subtractions?

[KingOfTheJokes]

http://i51.tinypic.com/flzod4.jpg

[L.Kizzle]

SECOND PAGE! new record kizz. it took 2 years but you did it burh.
What Al, I got many 2 pagers son

A who the hell is this KingofJokes character? I've never seen a post from them.

[Jackass18]

No order ...


-Russell Simmons
-Run-DMC
-NWA (Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, Eazy-E)
-The Fresh Prince/Will Smith
-Queen Latifah
-Tupac Shakur
-Puff Daddy
-Master P
-Jay-Z
-James Brown and George Clinton


Anyone agree?

No.

[L.Kizzle]

No.
What's your ten?

[Jackass18]

I don't know, but why did you put Master P up there?

[L.Kizzle]

I don't know, but why did you put Master P up there?
He changed hip hop.

First rapper to own his masters.

An independent artist selling so many records from the ridiculous deal he signed with Priority in 1995. Also he was the first rapper to release straight to movies.

The first rapper worth over 100 Million.

The first rapper to really go outside of hip-hop with him being a sports agent and so forth.

Everyone is doin it now, but P started the trend.

[Jackass18]

He changed hip hop.

First rapper to own his masters.

An independent artist selling so many records from the ridiculous deal he signed with Priority in 1995. Also he was the first rapper to release straight to movies.

The first rapper worth over 100 Million.

The first rapper to really go outside of hip-hop with him being a sports agent and so forth.

Everyone is doin it now, but P started the trend.

So, would you say he was the start of the decline of hip hop?

[Simple Jack]

How was Nas not mentioned?

Arguably the GOAT and one of, if not THE most influential/greatest rap albums of all-time in Illmatic.

LOL @ listing Master P and others before Nas.

[talkingconch]

DJ Kool Herc
Beastie Boys
RUN-DMC
2pac
NAS
Biggie
the roots
NWA
RAKIM
Eminem

..there's too many to list

[LEFT4DEAD]

This is a big fail for me since you dont have two most influential MCs ever, Rakim and KRS One.

[joe]

There's really too many to name. So many people were influential in their own way. It really depends on what defines "important."

Is it more important to have been one of the first rappers, paving the way for everyone else?

Or is it more important to have come along later, and re-defined what hip-hop was?

Given the first criteria, your list will include 10 guys no one has heard of, and that would probably sound whack based on todays expectations.

But given the second comparison, guys like Tupac, Eminem, and Jay-z become much more prominent.

[Legend of Josh]

So, would you say he was the start of the decline of hip hop?

To discredit Master P and the No Limit camp as nothing in the game of rap is haterish and backpackerish all day. No one argues Master P was superbly talented or an emcee, etc steez, but to ignore his impact and how he came into the industry and 'wrecked shit' (for lack of a better term/description) is just being a dumbass, which isn't surprising coming from you.

When you try and add your $0.02 in these rap debates, it almost always comes off like some redneck who occasionally had their white trash ear open to hear a little rebel rap music here and there; which commonly highly praises the Wu Tang clan and outside of that, doesn't really know anything of the subject and would be much better off just not engaging in discussions.

Your type is so sickening. Just please, please keep your opinions out of these discussions. Pathetic.

[pauk]

most important people in hiphop history....

um... black people? lol

[pete's montreux]

To discredit Master P and the No Limit camp as nothing in the game of rap is haterish and backpackerish all day. No one argues Master P was superbly talented or an emcee, etc steez, but to ignore his impact and how he came into the industry and 'wrecked shit' (for lack of a better term/description) is just being a dumbass, which isn't surprising coming from you.

When you try and add your $0.02 in these rap debates, it almost always comes off like some redneck who occasionally had their white trash ear open to hear a little rebel rap music here and there; which commonly highly praises the Wu Tang clan and outside of that, doesn't really know anything of the subject and would be much better off just not engaging in discussions.

Your type is so sickening. Just please, please keep your opinions out of these discussions. Pathetic.

What the...i don't even...

[$LakerGold]

Yo, no Eminem love? dude sorta changed the whole hip-hop and rap game... cuz he proved you didnt have to be black to rap and all those shit.. I dont know if Vanilla Ice became famous before Eminem did.. but to me, Eminem proved everything you could ever possibly prove. Homie shut everyone up....

And I can see that lil wayne influenced Posterize to put a tattoo on his face... how dumb can you be? No hate, but thats just dumb..

[$LakerGold]

What the...i don't even...
He lost me when he clicked on the thread....

[Legend of Josh]

He lost me when he clicked on the thread....

Yeah, I lost you guys b/c you're simply not on my level in these debates/discussions.

[miller-time]

you can really divide this question into two questions.

you can have importance in the formative years, and importance in the established hip-hop genre.

obviously the guys who were responsible for creating hip-hop are more important than the people who came afterwards in a historical sense. because without them, the succeeding generations would never have even become hip-hop artists.

however the succeeding artists have been more instrumental in popularizing hip-hop.

[$LakerGold]

Yeah, I lost you guys b/c you're simply not on my level in these debates/discussions.

:)

Ish will always be your life. JLO LOJ or whatever they call you here..

[Legend of Josh]

:)

Ish will always be your life. JLO LOJ or whatever they call you here..

You're not making any sense... but from what I gathered from that, you said LOJ's opinion is top tier without question, etc. then all good. That is right, and should be.

ISH isn't my entire life... believe you me, life is well and far beyond these ISH hallways... but when I'm at a PC be it work or at home, then yes, ISH is my haven and I willl use it as my playground if I feel the need to do so.

You don't like that, then go away.

[Jackass18]

To discredit Master P and the No Limit camp as nothing in the game of rap is haterish and backpackerish all day.

I asked why Master P is up there and the reasons he listed were all basically $. My hate? I actually like some of his songs, you silly wackjob. My problem is that he was quantity-over-quality. Where did I say his camp was nothing? Oh, I guess you have to completely make shit up. Mother****er trying to be a White Knight for Master P... Really? Master P? That's who you want to launch a crusade for? You gonna make me say Uhh!? You got the hook up? Should I holla if I hear you?


No one argues Master P was superbly talented or an emcee, etc steez, but to ignore his impact and how he came into the industry and 'wrecked shit' (for lack of a better term/description) is just being a dumbass, which isn't surprising coming from you.

O rly? His impact on how to make money puts him in the top 10 for being the most important? I don't give a shit if he made crappy direct-to-video movies, how he became a crappy sports agent, or how he made a boatload of money off of boatload of crappy songs. I want someone who contributed quality and whose influence is felt in a much deeper way and not someone who showed how you can make money off of mediocrity.


When you try and add your $0.02 in these rap debates, it almost always comes off like some redneck who occasionally had their white trash ear open to hear a little rebel rap music here and there; which commonly highly praises the Wu Tang clan and outside of that, doesn't really know anything of the subject and would be much better off just not engaging in discussions.

You know what? You're like Starface in this regard. You try to apply these ignorant labels and make all these wild assumptions that are waaaay off the mark. And, you know, it's cute little kids like you like to play dress up and act like you're the leading authority on a subject and that nobody else has the knowledge they have, so they just best not even post on the subject because they just ain't on the level. Get over yourself and grow up. Nobody appointed a delusional, self-righteous, ignorant buffoon like you to decide who can and can't post about hip hop. It's funny that you feel your opinion is so important and valued to make such comments.


Your type is so sickening. Just please, please keep your opinions out of these discussions. Pathetic.

You ignorantly ramble pretending like you know anything about me, but it's my type that is so sickening? I barely even said anything in these 2 threads and you're doing nothing but making up all these assumptions based upon a couple sentences. LOL at wackass clowns like you thinking it's cool to tell others not to post in precious threads like this one. "Don't post in such a sacred thread like this questioning Supreme Hip Hop Legend Master P!" **** you and the whore you rode in on.

[$LakerGold]

You're not making any sense... but from what I gathered from that, you said LOJ's opinion is top tier without question, etc. then all good. That is right, and should be.

ISH isn't my entire life... believe you me, life is well and far beyond these ISH hallways... but when I'm at a PC be it work or at home, then yes, ISH is my haven and I willl use it as my playground if I feel the need to do so.

You don't like that, then go away.

I can see LICE in your head right now :)

[L.Kizzle]

This is a big fail for me since you dont have two most influential MCs ever, Rakim and KRS One.
Who's your top ten?

[SEEBASS1234]

You can't have Tupac without having Biggie mentioned

[LEFT4DEAD]

Who's your top ten?
I'm not going to post my top ten, but most influential are ***** like Eminem,Gay Z, Lil Wayne, Soulja.... etc they have destroyed good hip hop and thats the most influential thing as there can be.

[Theoo's Daddy]

Soldier boy. He managed to make every tom, dick and harry think they can rap. :oldlol: You can't put tupac in the list and not add BIG. The east/west coast battles changed hip hop forever.

[Legend of Josh]

Jackass going apeshit mode. LOL. Sorry, you redneck cracker white trash beech, stay out of these debates - you Wu Tang wi66er worshipin' yet think you know something about this shit wnen you just don't Mfer.

Just fall back...

[Ass Dan]

Jackass going apeshit mode. LOL. Sorry, you redneck cracker white trash beech, stay out of these debates - you Wu Tang wi66er worshipin' yet think you know something about this shit wnen you just don't Mfer.

Just fall back...


zing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tHqsuY7R00

[Legend of Josh]

zing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tHqsuY7R00

OK... now I know you J ...

LOL, nice find.

[Go Getter]

No order ...


-Russell Simmons
-Run-DMC
-NWA (Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, Eazy-E)
-The Fresh Prince/Will Smith
-Queen Latifah
-Tupac Shakur
-Puff Daddy
-Master P
-Jay-Z
-James Brown and George Clinton


Anyone agree?
Not at all.

KRS-One
Grandmaster Flash
Rakim
Grand Wizzard Theodore
RUN DMC
Russell Simmons
Kool Herc
Afrika Bambaataa
2Pac
Rock Steady Crew (Crazy Legs)


*Special shout out to James Brown

[L.Kizzle]

You can't have Tupac without having Biggie mentioned
I have .Diddy so his whole Bad Boy camp goes along with it. But I don't think I hae Suge on the list.

[Legend of Josh]

Not at all.

KRS-One
Grandmaster Flash
Rakim
Grand Wizzard Theodore
RUN DMC
Russell Simmons
Kool Herc (yeah him too)
Afrika Bambaataa
2Pac
Rock Steady Crew (Crazy Legs)


*Special shout out to James Brown

I can respect that.

:cheers:

[Legend of Josh]

groups = people?

:oldlol: no Rakim? The most influential MC of all time?

I've arrived at the conclusion Lkizzle is a poor man's Rasheed1's opinion in these type of threads. Kid is off his rocker.

[L.Kizzle]

Not at all.

KRS-One
Grandmaster Flash
Rakim
Grand Wizzard Theodore
RUN DMC
Russell Simmons
Kool Herc
Afrika Bambaataa
2Pac
Rock Steady Crew (Crazy Legs)


*Special shout out to James Brown
I feel your list but most of them are pioneers. Kool Herc and Theodore, no one has Joe Fulks or Bob Davies in a top ten NBA list. Now Bambaataa and Flash yeah.

[Legend of Josh]

I didn't know what to put, I was gonna put artist, but Russ Simmons isn't an artist ...

*edited*

Still no KRS to be found... Dunn101 (or whatever that cats name was?) is that you?

The dude who only post here like once a year these days about music? LOL, that is straight up LKizzle here in this thread.

I am so dissapoint.

[L.Kizzle]

*edited*

Still no KRS to be found... Dunn101 (or whatever that cats name was?) is that you?

The dude who only post here like once a year these days about music? LOL, that is straight up LKizzle here in this thread.

I am so dissapoint.
Lol the dude that makes thos threads about Ashanti vs Aretha Franklin, naw son.

[Go Getter]

I feel your list but most of them are pioneers. Kool Herc and Theodore, no one has Joe Fulks or Bob Davies in a top ten NBA list. Now Bambaataa and Flash yeah.


My man, Herc influenced people to put break beats in their song.

You said important names.

Check him out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dj_kool_herc

And Wizzard Theodore is credited with creating "scratching" you gotta put him on there. I think Grandmaster Flash is the most important DJ so he has to be on there as well.

DJ's don't get enough respect in hip-hop imo.

[Legend of Josh]

OP has yet to acknowledge KRS ... surefire /thread from the start. No real head will argue KRS or Rakim GOAT, but they will damn sho mention them in the 'importance' ... 'influetial' ... 'significance' dept.

Yet... OP did none of the above. Yikes. Rap muisic opinion stock value drops mega i-LL points.

Damn.

:facepalm

[L.Kizzle]

KRS 1 and Rakim and Kane are all important to this hip hop world, I never said they were not. If we add those names adKool Herc, who drops out? NWA, Will Smith, queen Latifah, Diddy?

[Go Getter]

People fail to acknowledge the b-boys much..Rock Steady Crew has taken break dancing (and with it hip-hop) global.

[Go Getter]

KRS 1 and Rakim and Kane are all important to this hip hop world, I never said they were not. If we add those names adKool Herc, who drops out? NWA, Will Smith, queen Latifah, Diddy?

Diddy is influential but in the grand scheme of hip-hop is he important? Where is he really without the Biggie?

Will Smith and Queen Latifah are big names as well and I can't knock you for choosing them I just think that the people who were blessed to be there first and actually create styles and conventions are most important.

[L.Kizzle]

Diddy is influential but in the grand scheme of hip-hop is he important? Where is he really without the Biggie?

Will Smith and Queen Latifah are big names as well and I can't knock you for choosing them I just think that the people who were blessed to be there first and actually create styles and conventions are most important.
You mean where would Big be without Diddy right? Diddy already made a name for himself with Uptown Records. And I feel you on the creators but if we go that rout the top ten would be included with names all before 1984 right?

[Clippersfan86]

No order ...


-Russell Simmons
-Run-DMC
-NWA (Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, Eazy-E)
-The Fresh Prince/Will Smith
-Queen Latifah
-Tupac Shakur
-Puff Daddy
-Master P
-Jay-Z
-James Brown and George Clinton


Anyone agree?

Wow... just wow. I understand if some may not consider Eminem a GOAT MC but to leave him off a top 10 most important list is insane! Even guys like Rakim have spoken about the impact he's had on the game. The bridge he's created for whites to find hip hop. He's BY FAR the most IMPORTANT rapper of all time if you talk about the impact he had on the game and how he changed perception and the fanbase. Only close rapper is Tupac. Can't believe you have Master P, P Diddy Queen Latifah on the list etc. What a joke.

[Clippersfan86]

DJ Kool Herc
Beastie Boys
RUN-DMC
2pac
NAS
Biggie
the roots
NWA
RAKIM
Eminem

..there's too many to list

MUCH more respectable list :cheers: . Top 10 is always debatable but at least half of your list is undisputed. Can't believe a list had Latifah, Master P in the place of greats like NAS, Eminem, KRS and Rakim.

[FourthTenor]

You mean where would Big be without Diddy right?

+1

Diddy could have made someone else into biggie.

Also, raekwon should get a hon mention for launching the don style biggie and others copied, which dominated the scene for a while.

[Clippersfan86]

+1

Diddy could have made someone else into biggie.

Also, raekwon should get a hon mention for launching the don style biggie and others copied, which dominated the scene for a while.

I agree with Raekwon deserving a mention but saying Diddy could of make someone else Biggie is complete BULLSH**! You guys got it twisted. BIG made Puff, not the other way around. He really put Bad Boys on the map.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hbwdAOogBw

Was before he was signed dude. He's got God given talent and is a GOAT level rapper and you want to give the credit to Puff when Biggie was ripping people up in his teens? It's sad and makes me wonder if you get all of your information from MTV.

[L.Kizzle]

MUCH more respectable list :cheers: . Top 10 is always debatable but at least half of your list is undisputed. Can't believe a list had Latifah, Master P in the place of greats like NAS, Eminem, KRS and Rakim.
Dude has 9 MCs and a DJ. Might as well be a top ten MC list. Em should be on the list tho.

[vitamink420]

All lists not mentioning Too $hort fail

[Rameek]

No order ...


-Russell Simmons
-Run-DMC
-NWA (Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, Eazy-E)
-The Fresh Prince/Will Smith
-Queen Latifah
-Tupac Shakur
-Puff Daddy
-Master P
-Jay-Z
-James Brown and George Clinton


Anyone agree?
Rick Rueben with Russell Simmons which should be attached to Run DMC, Ice T (NWA), Real Roxanne (Salt N Peppa/MC Lyte), LL, GrandMaster Flash, I would put Jazzy Jeff (who influenced more hip hop dj's than fresh prince/will smith did for anyone in hiphop on here before Fresh Prince, Rakim Allah/Krs-1

[Rasheed1]

top 10?

1.Run DMC
2.Rakim
3.Grand Master Flash
4.Russell Simmons
5.Rick Rubin
6.Puff Daddy
7.Dr.Dre
8.Easy E
9.Dj Red Alert
10.Dj Marly Marl


^each one of them dudes did something or were involved in something that changed the whole game...big shifts happened when these guys were successful

I think it is easier to name events then singular people

[Rasheed1]

honorable mention

*Queen Latifah
*Chuck D - Public Enemy
*Tribe called quest
*BDK
*Biggie
*2pac
*Nas
*JayZ
*WuTang
*IceT
*Geto Boys
*Uncle Luke
*Dj Cash Money
*Dj Jazzy Jeff

[Rasheed1]

how about the worst hip hop artists

*Vanilla Ice
*PM Dawn
*soulja boy
*whoever invented that f*cking auto tune bullsh*t


I'll think of more in a minute

[Clippersfan86]

Thread should have been deleted at the first mention of Diddy making BIG. Why couldn't he make another BIG? He tried. Shyne. It worked out horribly. Since then, his artists have failed time and time again. Diddy ate off BIG and that's the end of that.:facepalm

Truth. Exactly dude. BIG made Diddy, not the other way around. If there was no BIG Bad Boy wouldn't of risen to the level it was in the 90's and early 00's PERIOD.

[L.Kizzle]

Truth. Exactly dude. BIG made Diddy, not the other way around. If there was no BIG Bad Boy wouldn't of risen to the level it was in the 90's and early 00's PERIOD.
Puff already had a career producing for Mary J, Jodeci and doin other things with Heavy D, Craig Mack ect

[Rasheed1]

Puff already had a career producing for Mary J, Jodeci and doin other things with Heavy D, Craig Mack ect


exactly... puff was already known for other groups and was a rising star with Uptown before he ever met Biggie...

Mary J was huge when she came out and biggie used small spots with her to heard initially

[Rasheed1]

You guys are missing the point. Diddy had a career, sure, but Biggie turned him into THAT guy. Talents like BIG would have been heard regardless of anything. If Diddy passed him, someoned else would have jumped on it quick. It's like you think Eminem would have been nothing without Dre. If someone stumbles upon bag full of cash, it's not like they had anything to do with it being there. They just take it and run with it and thank god every chance they get.


Biggie was a loud yelling battle rapper when he came out... His lyrics were nice but he wasnt polished at all and he didnt become polished until Puff worked with him and helped him carve a style that better fit his talent...

you can assume Biggie would have been big anyway if you want to, but that isnt what happened... Puff deserves credit for what he did...

[L.Kizzle]

You guys are missing the point. Diddy had a career, sure, but Biggie turned him into THAT guy. Talents like BIG would have been heard regardless of anything. If Diddy passed him, someoned else would have jumped on it quick. It's like you think Eminem would have been nothing without Dre. If someone stumbles upon bag full of cash, it's not like they had anything to do with it being there. They just take it and run with it and thank god every chance they get.
Mary J made him into THAT GUY. Look up "What's the 411."

[Jackass18]

Jackass going apeshit mode. LOL. Sorry, you redneck cracker white trash beech, stay out of these debates - you Wu Tang wi66er worshipin' yet think you know something about this shit wnen you just don't Mfer.

Just fall back...

If that's all you got, then you need to just retire. Acting like a retarded 16 year old on the Internet is what's cool these days, nahmean? Redneck? You biting ignorance from Starface now?

This emo thinks it's cool to try and get everyone to hate him when it's just kind of sad. Don't worry, I don't hate ya. Try harder?

[L.Kizzle]

Sean "Puffy" Combs


Mary J Blige: What's The 411 - 1992
Topped the R&B/Hip Hop charts / Number 6 Pop

Notorious B.I.G.: Ready To Die - 1994
Number 3 R&B/Hip-Hop charts / Number 15 Pop


Biggie made Puffy??

[Jackass18]

When did people really know about Puffy?

[L.Kizzle]

When did people really know about Puffy?
Since 1991. He had a hand in Jodeci and bringing Mary J to Uptown Records (who he was a record exec for.) Did lots of stuff with Heavy D and other Uptown Artist in the early 90s.

[Clippersfan86]

Biggie was a loud yelling battle rapper when he came out... His lyrics were nice but he wasnt polished at all and he didnt become polished until Puff worked with him and helped him carve a style that better fit his talent...

you can assume Biggie would have been big anyway if you want to, but that isnt what happened... Puff deserves credit for what he did...

That's ridiculous. Sure Puff deserves a little credit... but NOT as much as Biggie himself.

[Rasheed1]

That's ridiculous. Sure Puff deserves a little credit... but NOT as much as Biggie himself.

whats your point? that somehow Puff doesnt belong? he's the one who got Biggie to stop hustling and take this rap sh*t serious... Puff and biggie together created a formula for alot of groups that followed in the future...

Rappers wasnt talking about poppin crystal and being a don king of new york type before these 2.. Biggie and puff were a team and you cant really slight puff when giving Biggie credit..

puff was the one who had biggie doing joints like 'one more chance' and 'juicy'.. a rapper like biggie blowing with those type songs is a big part of the reason people had so much respect for him...

I just think its silly to try and say puffy didnt have big hand in developing biggie to become what he did....


biggie's talent was always there..Im a big biggie fan.. but Puff helped him mold into the goat rapper he became ... you can even hear the difference in the songs on ready to die.... some songs like 'gimme the loot' he was yellin and real giving off the regular MC vibe at that time... but on other songs throughout the album you could hear his delivery changing... he even talked about puff influence on him his self..


nobody is saying he deserves more credit for big's talent than big... but to anyone who remembers, puff did alot more work than just biggie

[Stuckey]

diddy got nice shades, sprinkles a few good lines here and there, then goes off to sell suits or cologne

[Derrick]

lil wayne
wiz khalifa
drizzy
tyga
mac miller

ahaha jk trollin :pimp:

[Jackass18]

Since 1991. He had a hand in Jodeci and bringing Mary J to Uptown Records (who he was a record exec for.) Did lots of stuff with Heavy D and other Uptown Artist in the early 90s.

I'm talking about listeners. He seemed to be in the background for a while and then later came out in the forefront later on.

[L.Kizzle]

I'm talking about listeners. He seemed to be in the background for a while and then later came out in the forefront later on.
He was in a video or two.

HEavy D with Sean "Pufy" Combs, Flava Flav and 2Pac (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxNuIacK5mY)
From my favorite show In Living Color in 1992.

[Bigsmoke]

No order ...


-Russell Simmons
-Run-DMC
-NWA (Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, Eazy-E)
-The Fresh Prince/Will Smith
-Queen Latifah
-Tupac Shakur
-Puff Daddy
-Master P
-Jay-Z
-James Brown and George Clinton


Anyone agree?
Lauryn hill and MC Lyte impacted the game more than Queen Latifah did IMO

[Rasheed1]

Lauryn hill and MC Lyte impacted the game more than Queen Latifah did IMO


^You gotta good point with MC Lyte...

10% dis?
paper thin?

:applause: MC Lyte was the sh*t back in the day... She was a little bulldykish, but she dropped some gems early on when females wasnt known to come thru like that

[FourthTenor]

Always amazes me how overrated biggie smawlz is

[Rameek]

Roxanne original popular female rapper, Salt n Peppa made female rappers world famous, MC Lyte lyrics and delivery. As I mentioned before.... ugh!

Lauren Hill changed the game and will forever be a legend for the time she was here but influential changing the game I dont think she did.


Anyways, Puffy made Biggie. Biggie was good full of potential but that first album was produced mostly by Mr. C who brought him out but Puffy gave you the finished product (doing all the remixes people have come to know and love). In regards to PDiddy, he has been in the game for a long time as a dancer then talent scout which was later to be A & R. His craft was honed under Dr. Jekyll most of you all dont know who he is. Most of the artist you all are attributing to PDiddy were not his but under Uptown Records before PDiddy took a prominent role.

I do agree PDiddy changed the game with the help of Biggie by making glam hip hop popular. The heavy spending glitz and glamour in the excessive manner PDiddy did that.

I think NWA (which obviously would include Dre Ice Cube etc...) and Ice T should go hand in hand with gangsta rap...

Too Short one the greatest selling artist without publicity and nasty lyrics ever...

[Rameek]

He was in a video or two.

HEavy D with Sean "Pufy" Combs, Flava Flav and 2Pac (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxNuIacK5mY)
From my favorite show In Living Color in 1992.
On a side note before I moved to Japan 6 years ago I found some cross color clothes I owned and unfortunately threw them away.:hammerhead:

Actually I became a house dancer mostly by the time this came out... But I was still a hip hop DJ then
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNEgUPKxk7A&ob=av3n

[KevinNYC]

No order ...


-Russell Simmons
-Run-DMC
-NWA (Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, Eazy-E)
-The Fresh Prince/Will Smith
-Queen Latifah
-Tupac Shakur
-Puff Daddy
-Master P
-Jay-Z
-James Brown and George Clinton


Anyone agree?

You forgot Sylvia Robinson.

[Dasher]

Kool Moe Dee should be on the list as he single-handedly ended the Busy Bee-style era of emceeing.