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Shep

09-09-2009, 12:04 AM

Starting 5:

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Center
Hakeem Olajuwon
17 years with Houston ('85-'01)
Best Season ('93): 26.1ppg, 13rpg, 3.5apg, 1.8spg, 4.2bpg

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Power Forward
Ralph Sampson
4 years with Houston ('84-'87)
Best Season ('85): 22.1ppg, 10.4rpg, 2.7apg, 1spg, 2bpg

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Small Forward
Rodney McCray
5 years with Houston ('84-'88)
Best Season ('85): 14.4ppg, 6.6rpg, 4.3apg, 1.1spg, .9bpg

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Shooting Guard
Tracy McGrady
5 years with Houston ('05-)
Best Season ('05): 25.7ppg, 6.2rpg, 5.7apg, 1.7spg, .7bpg

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Point Guard
Steve Francis
5 years with Houston ('00-'04)
Best Season ('01): 19.9ppg, 6.9rpg, 6.5apg, 1.8spg, .4bpg

Bench:

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Center
Moses Malone
6 years with Houston ('77-'82)
Best Season ('82): 31.1ppg, 14.7rpg, 1.8apg, 9spg, 1.5bpg

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Power Forward
Otis Thorpe
6 years with Houston ('89-'94)
Best Season ('91): 17.5ppg, 10.3rpg, 2.4apg, .9spg, .2bpg

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Small Forward
Robert Reid
11 years with Houston ('78-'88)
Best Season ('81): 15.9ppg, 7.1rpg, 4.2apg, 2spg, .8bpg

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Shooting Guard
Clyde Drexler
4 years with Houston ('95-'98)
Best Season ('95): 21.8ppg, 6.3rpg, 4.8apg, 1.8spg, .6bpg

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Point Guard
Calvin Murphy
12 years with Houston ('72-'83)
Best Season ('76): 21ppg, 2.5rpg, 7.3apg, 1.8spg, .1bpg

Shep

09-09-2009, 12:04 AM

Bench Continued:

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Center
Elvin Hayes
7 years with San Diego/Houston ('69-'72, '82-'84)
Best Season ('71): 28.7ppg, 16.6rpg, 2.3apg

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Center
Yao Ming
7 years with Houston ('03-)
Best Season ('09): 19.7ppg, 9.9rpg, 1.8apg, .4spg, 1.9bpg

Jordandunk23

09-09-2009, 01:28 AM

his all time roster, what are you basing it off? their status as an individual meaning their whole career and they just happened to play in houston? or their actual impact in houston. Because T-mac maybe one of the best talents to land in houston but he sure did not make a big impact. Im guessing your looking for players that played in houston for 4+ years and the span in those years with houston.

If we are strictly talking about impact in houston, I would start Clyde at 2 and start Shane Battier at 3.

Shep

09-09-2009, 03:27 AM

If we are strictly talking about impact in houston, I would start Clyde at 2 and start Shane Battier at 3.
i am talking about impact in houston. if you think battier had a bigger impact than guys like mccray and reid you're delusional

ShaqAttack3234

09-09-2009, 06:18 AM

Since Elvin Hayes played center during his first 4 years with the Rockets I guess Sampson has to start at PF on the All-Time Rockets team. But I'd start Calvin Murphy over Steve Francis and Clyde Drexler over T-Mac.

mattevans11

09-10-2009, 02:33 PM

no mention of barkley yet?

Jordandunk23

09-10-2009, 05:43 PM

i am talking about impact in houston. if you think battier had a bigger impact than guys like mccray and reid you're delusional

i don't think being one of the best defenders in houston rockets history is delusional.. it only shows lack of respect for his defense and his hard work game after game, season after season in houston. And I'm not taking away from mccray and reids accomplishments but if you think somebody is delusional for mentioning Shane Battier's name you sir are the one that's delusional.

Shep

09-16-2009, 02:04 AM

i don't think being one of the best defenders in houston rockets history is delusional.. it only shows lack of respect for his defense and his hard work game after game, season after season in houston. And I'm not taking away from mccray and reids accomplishments but if you think somebody is delusional for mentioning Shane Battier's name you sir are the one that's delusional.
first of all battier has only played 3 years at houston.

mccray played 5 years, and missed 5 games in total. he was the starting small forward of the team that went to the finals in '86, and took over as the rockets second best player when sampson went down in '87. mccray was a fantastic all-round player who could rebound and distribute the ball as good as almost anyone at his position in the league, on top of shooting the ball well from both the field and free throw line. he was also one of the best defenders in the nba and was named to the first team all defense on one occasion, along with one second team selection.

reid was the leader of the rockets, especially during the mid 80's. he played 11 years at houston. he was a top 3 small forward in '81, and could also rebound and distribute very well.

battier may be a good defender, but what else?

Jordandunk23

09-16-2009, 12:04 PM

first of all battier has only played 3 years at houston.

mccray played 5 years, and missed 5 games in total. he was the starting small forward of the team that went to the finals in '86, and took over as the rockets second best player when sampson went down in '87. mccray was a fantastic all-round player who could rebound and distribute the ball as good as almost anyone at his position in the league, on top of shooting the ball well from both the field and free throw line. he was also one of the best defenders in the nba and was named to the first team all defense on one occasion, along with one second team selection.

reid was the leader of the rockets, especially during the mid 80's. he played 11 years at houston. he was a top 3 small forward in '81, and could also rebound and distribute very well.

battier may be a good defender, but what else?

if you want to use that argument, then what has t-mac done?? i mean i wish for him a full recovery but lets talk about his accomplishments in houston. you could make the argument about him lacking teammates but individually he has never shot over 43% from the field in houston and has yet to pass the 1st round of the playoffs.. and you have him as the best shooting guard in rockets history??

again, im not taking away from mccray or reid. no way am i saying your wrong with mccray or reid but if were talking about an all time rockets roster, that's the wing defender i want on my squad. In his 3 years in houston he without a doubt deserves 1st team defense recognitions. Were talking about the best defender againts kobe, the best player in the league for the past few seasons. We're talkin in an era were you can't lay a finger on the offensive player. I mean offensively okay, battier is just a spot up 3 shooter and he's not much of a rebounder. but before i ramble on, i guess im just a battier fan.

Shep

09-18-2009, 02:32 AM

if you want to use that argument, then what has t-mac done??
we could talk about mcgrady's 2005, which was unparallelled by anyone in rockets history not named olajuwon, hayes, or malone. or about the fact that mcgrady's production increases in the playoffs every year. the only shooting guard close to mcgrady is drexler, and although he was great, he never was close to mcgrady's 2005 - which in the end was the difference between the two.

Jordandunk23

09-18-2009, 03:40 PM

we could talk about mcgrady's 2005, which was unparallelled by anyone in rockets history not named olajuwon, hayes, or malone. or about the fact that mcgrady's production increases in the playoffs every year. the only shooting guard close to mcgrady is drexler, and although he was great, he never was close to mcgrady's 2005 - which in the end was the difference between the two.

that was one season, his first season with houston and it was a 1st round exit. after that season he has steadily been declining. your the the one who said this roster is strictly about the player impact in houston.

L.Kizzle

09-18-2009, 10:27 PM

Jordandunk23

09-19-2009, 02:10 AM

LOL at arguing about T-Mac, Mac is an All-Time Rocket, people love to bash Mac, but dude is a baller. I'd still start Drexler over him though, but Mac is on this team over Shane.

I'd also start Murphy over Francis, and where is Rudy T?

it was never an argument about shane over t-mac. i state clyde should start over t-mac but never mentioned t-mac not being on the roster. the argument was about battier being on the roster.

L.Kizzle

09-19-2009, 03:05 AM

it was never an argument about shane over t-mac. i state clyde should start over t-mac but never mentioned t-mac not being on the roster. the argument was about battier being on the roster.
Who is Shane gonna be over? He's not even the big omission. Rudy T is missing.

Jordandunk23

09-19-2009, 03:20 PM

Who is Shane gonna be over? He's not even the big omission. Rudy T is missing.

you dont think the best man to man defender in recent rockets history don't deserve to be mentioned among rocket greats?? WOW, i guess i am alone on this one.

L.Kizzle

09-19-2009, 05:32 PM

you dont think the best man to man defender in recent rockets history don't deserve to be mentioned among rocket greats?? WOW, i guess i am alone on this one.
Of course he should be mentioned, but he wouldn't make the all-time Rockets roster.

Shep

09-20-2009, 04:57 AM

that was one season, his first season with houston and it was a 1st round exit. after that season he has steadily been declining. your the the one who said this roster is strictly about the player impact in houston.
he might have been declining after that season, but from then on he stayed on par with what drexler did. so if mcgrady's play from '06-'09 was on par with drexlers from '95-'98, then drexler has an argument. but the simple fact remains - mcgrady's '05 was unmatched by not only any shooting guard in rockets history, but it was unmatched by anyone other than olajuwon, hayes, and malone. mcgrady's 2005 was the difference: best player on the rockets, top 9 player overall, all-star, 3rd team all-nba, 26/6/6 regular season, 31/7/7 playoffs. easy decision.

Rudy T is missing.
tomjanovich was unlucky. he was next in line.

Jordandunk23

09-20-2009, 02:38 PM

he might have been declining after that season, but from then on he stayed on par with what drexler did. so if mcgrady's play from '06-'09 was on par with drexlers from '95-'98, then drexler has an argument. but the simple fact remains - mcgrady's '05 was unmatched by not only any shooting guard in rockets history, but it was unmatched by anyone other than olajuwon, hayes, and malone. mcgrady's 2005 was the difference: best player on the rockets, top 9 player overall, all-star, 3rd team all-nba, 26/6/6 regular season, 31/7/7 playoffs. easy decision.

tomjanovich was unlucky. he was next in line.

drexler's impact brought a 2nd championship to houston?? impact or individual accomplishments your kinda going back and forth here and there is a difference.

Q.E.C

09-20-2009, 11:29 PM

Man yall trippen! My boy Luther Head should be startin on this list! I can't believe no one mentioned him.. :no:

Shep

09-21-2009, 12:24 PM

drexler's impact brought a 2nd championship to houston?? impact or individual accomplishments your kinda going back and forth here and there is a difference.
not at all. mcgrady has had the bigger impact in houston. drexler was added to a team that had already won a championship the previous season.

Jordandunk23

09-21-2009, 05:24 PM

not at all. mcgrady has had the bigger impact in houston. drexler was added to a team that had already won a championship the previous season.

well that was a team that was struggling the next season. they weren't desperate but they needed a boost and that's where drexlers impact came in. In my opinion McGrady has had little impact in houston success, atleast post season success. Again he's not all to blame, between injuries, Yao Ming injuries, and supporting cast, but were talking about impact in houston, not individual accomplishments while wearing a rockets jersey. But regardless, mac is not the shooting guard that has made the biggest impact in rockets history. his impact that your claiming is based on his first season as a rocket. the stats are there but the results aren't and stats are strictly individual accomplishments if there are no results.

well that's just my opinion. its a good list nonetheless. I just feel this list, unlike you stated, is based on individual accomplishments, the stats and numbers which is fine.

Shep

09-23-2009, 03:34 AM

well that was a team that was struggling the next season. they weren't desperate but they needed a boost and that's where drexlers impact came in.
struggling? 29-17 with thorpe, .500 with drexler.

In my opinion McGrady has had little impact in houston success, atleast post season success. Again he's not all to blame, between injuries, Yao Ming injuries, and supporting cast, but were talking about impact in houston, not individual accomplishments while wearing a rockets jersey.
oh so impact only means championships to you? :lol put t-mac on those '95 rockets in place of drexler and seriously say to me that you think they wouldn't win atleast as many games as those rockets did. mcgrady has been the rockets best player 3 different seasons, drexler was the rockets second best player by a very wide margin. impact takes circumstance into the equation, and if you don't have alot of help and are the best player in your team while winning 60% of your games you have a bigger impact than a player who has the second best player in the nba as a teammate, and are barely scraping over .500.

But regardless, mac is not the shooting guard that has made the biggest impact in rockets history. his impact that your claiming is based on his first season as a rocket. the stats are there but the results aren't and stats are strictly individual accomplishments if there are no results.
the result is leading his team as far as it could go. dominating during the regular season, and playing even better in the playoffs. you couldn't ask him to do anymore.

well that's just my opinion. its a good list nonetheless. I just feel this list, unlike you stated, is based on individual accomplishments, the stats and numbers which is fine.
it is based on impact, circumstance, production, wins, and games played.

Jordandunk23

09-23-2009, 10:07 PM

struggling? 29-17 with thorpe, .500 with drexler.

oh so impact only means championships to you? :lol put t-mac on those '95 rockets in place of drexler and seriously say to me that you think they wouldn't win atleast as many games as those rockets did. mcgrady has been the rockets best player 3 different seasons, drexler was the rockets second best player by a very wide margin. impact takes circumstance into the equation, and if you don't have alot of help and are the best player in your team while winning 60% of your games you have a bigger impact than a player who has the second best player in the nba as a teammate, and are barely scraping over .500.

the result is leading his team as far as it could go. dominating during the regular season, and playing even better in the playoffs. you couldn't ask him to do anymore.

it is based on impact, circumstance, production, wins, and games played.

well that was point of the move, regardless of the outcome. struggling, not really but they were looking for a move that will give them the boost. i don't even remember if thats accurate that they went .500 with Clyde but that's why Clyde's impact is that he helped bring another championship to houston because maybe its just me but i guess i regard post season impact and success at alot higher steep than any regular season individual statistics.

you want to talk about circumstances, production, and wins? lol! i don't want to do this to t-mac but you want to talk about circumstances?? how about post season, game 7, late in the 4th quarter... you wan't to talk about production?? yeah there was none. he shy'd away from those moments. He was none present. yeah go ahead put t-mac on those 94-95 rockets, who knows what would have happened. i do know one thing is that clyde has had playoff success before houston. and clyde went to houston past his prime and still had a big impact. saying he was the 2nd best player by a wide margin says more about how great a center Hakeem was, but it doesn't take away from his impact on the rockets.

Shep

09-26-2009, 05:11 AM

well that was point of the move, regardless of the outcome. struggling, not really but they were looking for a move that will give them the boost. i don't even remember if thats accurate that they went .500 with Clyde but that's why Clyde's impact is that he helped bring another championship to houston because maybe its just me but i guess i regard post season impact and success at alot higher steep than any regular season individual statistics.
it was .500 with drexler. look it up. and with houston playing much better with thorpe, it would be fair to say that they still would've won the championship if they did not make that trade. hell, the way olajuwon was playing in those playoffs they probably still would've won without either thorpe or drexler. ofcourse playoff stats are important, but you have got to include things like circumstance, eg. teammates, situations.. sure winning championships are nice, but what if you can't get to those situations because you lack help? fair enough if you put up empty stats on the worst team in the nba - you don't deserve recognition, but if you are a part of a successful team, a playoff team, and are the best player on that team, with a trash supporting cast like tmac had you definately deserve recognition, and that recognition, in this case is one of a number of things that results in him being the starting shooting guard in the all time houston rockets roster.

you want to talk about circumstances, production, and wins? lol! i don't want to do this to t-mac but you want to talk about circumstances?? how about post season, game 7, late in the 4th quarter... you wan't to talk about production?? yeah there was none. he shy'd away from those moments. He was none present. yeah go ahead put t-mac on those 94-95 rockets, who knows what would have happened. i do know one thing is that clyde has had playoff success before houston. and clyde went to houston past his prime and still had a big impact. saying he was the 2nd best player by a wide margin says more about how great a center Hakeem was, but it doesn't take away from his impact on the rockets.
obviously his impact was worse than that of otis thorpe's, atleast in terms of wins. are you talking about that game 7 where the rockets players not named ming or mcgrady combined for 16 total points, or the game 7 where he had 29 points and 13 assists? :lol

Jordandunk23

09-27-2009, 01:35 AM

it was .500 with drexler. look it up. and with houston playing much better with thorpe, it would be fair to say that they still would've won the championship if they did not make that trade. hell, the way olajuwon was playing in those playoffs they probably still would've won without either thorpe or drexler. ofcourse playoff stats are important, but you have got to include things like circumstance, eg. teammates, situations.. sure winning championships are nice, but what if you can't get to those situations because you lack help? fair enough if you put up empty stats on the worst team in the nba - you don't deserve recognition, but if you are a part of a successful team, a playoff team, and are the best player on that team, with a trash supporting cast like tmac had you definately deserve recognition, and that recognition, in this case is one of a number of things that results in him being the starting shooting guard in the all time houston rockets roster.

obviously his impact was worse than that of otis thorpe's, atleast in terms of wins. are you talking about that game 7 where the rockets players not named ming or mcgrady combined for 16 total points, or the game 7 where he had 29 points and 13 assists? :lol

:oldlol: if your talking about impact and circumstances, don't throw stats at me. don't throw stats around wrecklessly. T-mac had good numbers in the playoffs his whole career!! It's not about numbers because that's what your roster is all about. you see a player strictly on his stats. i said nothing about rockets winning or losing those game 7's. fyi it really applies to many games, not just game 7 and not just 2 specific series. I was strictly talking about T-MAC IN THE 4TH QUARTER. that has nothing to do with his teammates, nothing to do with winning or losing the game or series, but strictly his performance in the playoffs. when it mattered most, t-mac disappeared and did not demand the ball on offense. throw all numbers you want at me but i watch basketball not the boxscore. so again you want to talk about impact, you want to talk about circumstances... well there you go.

Shep

09-27-2009, 11:34 AM

if your talking about impact and circumstances, don't throw stats at me. don't throw stats around wrecklessly. T-mac had good numbers in the playoffs his whole career!! It's not about numbers because that's what your roster is all about.
numbers is only part of what my roster is based on, it is based on impact, circumstance, production, wins, and games played.

you see a player strictly on his stats
:roll: i can play this game too: you see a player strictly based on whether or not he has hakeem olajuwon playing along side him :roll:

i said nothing about rockets winning or losing those game 7's. fyi it really applies to many games, not just game 7 and not just 2 specific series. I was strictly talking about T-MAC IN THE 4TH QUARTER. that has nothing to do with his teammates, nothing to do with winning or losing the game or series, but strictly his performance in the playoffs. when it mattered most, t-mac disappeared and did not demand the ball on offense. throw all numbers you want at me but i watch basketball not the boxscore. so again you want to talk about impact, you want to talk about circumstances... well there you go.
you talked about post season, game 7, and i destroyed you accordingly. no need to back track and make excuses now.

Jordandunk23

09-27-2009, 04:06 PM

numbers is only part of what my roster is based on, it is based on impact, circumstance, production, wins, and games played.

:roll: i can play this game too: you see a player strictly based on whether or not he has hakeem olajuwon playing along side him :roll:

you talked about post season, game 7, and i destroyed you accordingly. no need to back track and make excuses now.

ok calm down. destroyed me?? wow :roll: well while i was trying to have a logical debate with you, you were taking offense to it. notice my initial tone were not to attack you, you were disrespectful from the get go.

1) you keep saying the roster is based on impact, circumstances, production etc.. i already proved you wrong.

2) then you want to make a ridiculous statement about my statement is strictly because hakeem is on the team. Its clyde drexler?? you have him 2nd. basically the debate was based on my opinion of clyde starting over mac opposed to your opinion of mac over clyde. so obviously, you also think highly of drexler although you keep stating he just piggy backed on Hakeem.

3) lets talk about game 7. my statement stands. he DISAPPEARED. and multiple times when it mattered most mac disappeared. why do i make this argument? because you have him on a pedestal about all the impact he made in houston, yet all ive seen is underachievement and a lack of success.

If i may make a suggestion, when you make a thread, expect people to debate againts you. that's the point of a basketball forum, you can't expect everybody to agree with everything you said. so when i disagree with you, im not disrespecting you and you need to learn to accept that and make your argument accordingly. I don't know how old you are but you sure are carrying yourself immaturely. :rolleyes:

So you know what, you don't want anybody to disagree with you YOU WIN. i lost, you have the perfect all time roster. good job.

Shep

09-29-2009, 11:18 PM

ok calm down. destroyed me?? wow well while i was trying to have a logical debate with you, you were taking offense to it. notice my initial tone were not to attack you, you were disrespectful from the get go.
i'm sorry you feel that way. if i come across as disrespectful its only because my teams are final, and no changes need to be applied. some choices, however, are alot closer than others, but mcgrady over drexler is not a close call in this case. maybe you might feel more disrespected by me because of this fact, and if it was a closer call i'd show less disrespect. who knows? :confusedshrug:

1) you keep saying the roster is based on impact, circumstances, production etc.. i already proved you wrong
when did this happen?

2) then you want to make a ridiculous statement about my statement is strictly because hakeem is on the team. Its clyde drexler?? you have him 2nd. basically the debate was based on my opinion of clyde starting over mac opposed to your opinion of mac over clyde. so obviously, you also think highly of drexler although you keep stating he just piggy backed on Hakeem.
yes, that was ridiculous statement for ridiculous statement. acknowledged :cheers: . drexler was a fantastic player for the rockets, you wouldn't be included in an all-time team if you weren't. infact i have drexler as the fourth best player off that houston bench after moses malone, elvin hayes, and yao ming - elite company if you ask me. mcgrady was just on another level, and the only time drexler had playoff success was when his teams were stacked.

3) lets talk about game 7. my statement stands. he DISAPPEARED. and multiple times when it mattered most mac disappeared. why do i make this argument? because you have him on a pedestal about all the impact he made in houston, yet all ive seen is underachievement and a lack of success.
game 7 against the jazz? when mcgrady scored 8 points in the fourth quarter? when the rockets decided to go to yao ming down the stretch because he was hot? when the result of going to yao resulted in turnovers? when houstons big men could not grab a defensive rebound to save their lives? and you're going to blame tmac for all this? gtfo. drexler never had a superstar type playoff series in his houston career.

If i may make a suggestion, when you make a thread, expect people to debate againts you. that's the point of a basketball forum, you can't expect everybody to agree with everything you said. so when i disagree with you, im not disrespecting you and you need to learn to accept that and make your argument accordingly. I don't know how old you are but you sure are carrying yourself immaturely.
lol thanks. you seem like a kewl guy, and i guess i'm just used to dealing with 12 year old twerps on this forum. i'll try and apply this advice to my postings :cheers:

Saskibaloia

01-17-2010, 07:28 PM

mattevans11

01-18-2010, 01:31 AM

Starting Five:

Centre: Hakeem Olajuwon
Centre: Moses Malone
Shooting Guard: Clyde Drexler
Shooting Guard: Tracy McGrady
Point Guard: Steve Francis

Bench:

Yao Ming
Otis Thorpe
Kenny Smith
Shane Battier
David Andersen

Note: I only put in Shane Battier because currently he's my favourite Rocket and David Andersen because his an Aussie and I'm from The Land Down Under

Note: your notation going along with this is the exact reason why your opinion doesnt matter..... you tried to make a serious list, then ruin it with this....huh?:confusedshrug: