The real forgotten/underrated players list

[L.Kizzle]

These thread come up every couple weeks with the same names mentioned. Artis Gilmore, Andrew Toney, Mitch Richmond, Adrian Dantley, yada, yada, yada.


Now here is a real list of forgotten and underrated players list.


-Ed Macauley: Was the Celtics starting center before William
-George Yardley: A top scorer from the early years
-Richie Guerin: The Knicks first franchise player
-Cliff Hagan: 2nd best small forward behind Paul Arizin
-Maurice Stokes: An on the court accident ruined his career
-'Super' Lou Hudson: Sweet shooter from the 70s'
-Norm Van Lier: One of the great defender guards ever.
-Paul Westphal: 3 All-NBA 1st teams
-Mack Calvin: Forgotten great from the ABA
-Otis Birdsong: Guard from the early 80s'
-Norm Nixon: Magic's early running mate
-Latrel Sprewell: Don't focus on the negative, remember the mans game

[ihatetimthomas]

Neil Johnston. Undersized center who played in the 50's.

1951-1959
1x NBA Championship (Philadelphia Warriors)
3x Scoring titles (Consecutive 52'-55')
1x Rebounding title
6x All-Star appearances
4x All-NBA First team
1x All-NBA Second team

[quote=Wikepedia]Donald Neil Johnston (February 4, 1929, Chillicothe, Ohio

[G.O.A.T]

Here's the all-time underrated teammates...The Bulls of the early 1970's




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Chet Walker
Seven-time all-star
career 20 ppg average
Starter on 1967 NBA Champion 76ers


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Bob Love
Four time all-star
three time all-defensive selection
twice all-NBA
averaged 22.7 ppg from 1969-1976 as a Chicago Bull


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Norman Van Lier
Led the NBA in assists in 1971 top five six times.
all-NBA in '74
three-time all-star
all-defensive team 1971-1978


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Jerry Sloan
three time all-star
six time all defensive team
career average of 7.4 rpg at just 6'5"
averaged double figure scoring every season with Chicago.

[G.O.A.T]

Ed Macauley: Was the Celtics starting center before William


And the guy they traded to the Hawks to acquire Russ

[Collie]

John Drew, the guy Atlanta traded for Dominique Wilkins. Was a 22-7 guy in his prime, and has a career average of 20.7 in less than 30 minutes per game. Too bad he got banned for substance abuse.

[Hammertime]

John Drew, the guy Atlanta traded for Dominique Wilkins. Was a 22-7 guy in his prime, and has a career average of 20.7 in less than 30 minutes per game. Too bad he got banned for substance abuse.

Still does not make me feel any better about the Jazz trading Dominique away. I know the two million in cash that came with him meant that the team could stay in SLC, but still...

[Abraham Lincoln]

http://www.nba.com/media/bulls/walker_040915.jpg
Chet Walker
Seven-time all-star
career 20 ppg average
Starter on 1967 NBA Champion 76ers


Should be in the Hall. :cheers:

http://bit.ly/YDS4B

[1987_Lakers]

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World B. Free

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Happy Hairston

[Showtime]

Paul Arizin, Bill Sharman, Spencer Haywood.

[ShaqAttack3234]

He's not a hall of famer, but Charles Oakley was always one of my favorite players. I feel that his impact was underrated. The best outlet passer of his era, one of the best rebounders, a tough defensive player, a good mid-range shooter and a good passer in the post.

Sprewell was a great choice as well. Great defender, excellent scorer(could score in so many ways), damn good playmaker, athletic player who could finish at the rim or make 3's as well as everything in between(post, mid-range).

[phoenix18]

Wow, you guys know way more about basketball than me.:bowdown: :bowdown:

[DCL]

-Latrel Sprewell: Don't focus on the negative, remember the mans game

:applause:

his explosive prime was mini-jordan-wannabe-like. he played with what most people here on ish refer to as "street hunger."

his defense was tenacious, just played the up-your-ass-i hate-everything-about-you-and-you-ain't-scoring-sh!t-tonight type of defense. and his offense was the same mentality - straight up angry and vicious, mothaf...gga.

spree had the skills and he just came at your ass hard on both ends of the court.

[dirkdiggler41]

wow, are you guys kidding me? There is one player who never get the attention he deserve...












































































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[L.Kizzle]

wow, are you guys kidding me? There is one player who never get the attention he deserve...












































































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Yeah, Chris Webber doesn't really get talked about. Also Allan Houston, Terry Porter, Walter Davis, Larry Kennon.

[magnax1]

Porter, Glen Rice, Isiah rider, Tom Guggliotta, Andrew Toney, Sprewell, Sam Cassel, Petrovich, Nick Van Exel, Corliss Williamson, Webber, Vlade, Muggsy Bogues, Kenny Anderson, Steve Smith, Eddie Jones (Who was awesome on the Lakers and Hornets, and has been completely forgotten) Alonzo Mourning, Jamaal Mashburn, Kevin Johnson, Allan Houston, John Stark and Voshod Leonard. At least thats the 90's list.

[dbugz]

Porter, Glen Rice, Isiah rider, Tom Guggliotta, Andrew Toney, Sprewell, Sam Cassel, Petrovich, Nick Van Exel, Corliss Williamson, Webber, Vlade, Muggsy Bogues, Kenny Anderson, Steve Smith, Eddie Jones (Who was awesome on the Lakers and Hornets, and has been completely forgotten) Alonzo Mourning, Jamaal Mashburn, and Voshod Leonard. At least thats the 90's list.


add John Starks and KJ on that list :pimp:

[magnax1]

add John Starks and KJ on that list :pimp:
Lol, they're so forgotten I forgot them, also Allan Houston

[dbugz]

Lol, they're so forgotten I forgot them, also Allan Houston

detlef schrempf
mitch richmond
rik smits
mark jackson
jeff hornacek
arvydas sabonis
damon stoudamire
chris mullin
glen robinson
vin baker
larry johnson
mookie blaylock

[magnax1]

detlef schrempf
mitch richmond
rik smits
mark jackson
jeff hornacek
arvydas sabonis
damon stoudamire
chris mullin
glen robinson
vin baker
larry johnson
mookie blaylock
Nice additions, I don't know how I forgot Hornacek. I'm not sure if Mullin deserves a spot though. Add in Keith Van Horn too. Very good additions though.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Good to see Allan Houston getting some credit. He was a great offensive player and one of my favorite shooters to watch. He was an excellent shooter off the dribble, he could make mid-range shots and 3's as well as anyone in the league. He could also create his own shot very well too which is why he had those 50 point games in 2003, I believe.

Starks was another favorite mine. Great defender, not afraid to take big shots, athletic, very good 3 point shooter, good playmaker and he formed an excellent pick and roll combo with Ewing.

I still have John Starks and Allan Houston jerseys.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

If posters continually post threads that say: no one talks about ____________ and they are underrated"... will that player truly be underrated?

[G.O.A.T]

Yes, this forum represents less then 1\100,000th of Hoops fans.

[dbugz]

Yes, this forum represents less then 1\100,000th of Hoops fans.


You should also create your own thread and name it "I am the Greatest hoops fan ever. Get to know my views on the game" Oops yeah your usename says it all you're the GOAT :oldlol: :oldlol:

People here have their own preference. They have their own standard of choosing who should be that and who should be this.

You are too damn affected on trolls all over this board. Get used to it man.

[momo]

He's not a hall of famer, but Charles Oakley was always one of my favorite players. I feel that his impact was underrated. The best outlet passer of his era, one of the best rebounders, a tough defensive player, a good mid-range shooter and a good passer in the post.

Sprewell was a great choice as well. Great defender, excellent scorer(could score in so many ways), damn good playmaker, athletic player who could finish at the rim or make 3's as well as everything in between(post, mid-range).

Agreed ... one of my favs too.

[momo]

Porter, Glen Rice, Isiah rider, Tom Guggliotta, Andrew Toney, Sprewell, Sam Cassel, Petrovich, Nick Van Exel, Corliss Williamson, Webber, Vlade, Muggsy Bogues, Kenny Anderson, Steve Smith, Eddie Jones (Who was awesome on the Lakers and Hornets, and has been completely forgotten) Alonzo Mourning, Jamaal Mashburn, Kevin Johnson, Allan Houston, John Stark and Voshod Leonard. At least thats the 90's list.

Think people are forgetting about Van? It is interesting to me as I have no clue how popular he is, but I loved his game. I wonder if he is fading in the average fans eyes?

Too much game for me to ever forget.

[Manute for Ever!]

Andrew Toney
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cQIca0bDwGk/R4DxEdIGqmI/AAAAAAAABBA/S_LTgqX6Dyg/s400/act_andrew_toney.jpg
Career Average: 15.9ppg, 4.2 apg, 2.2 rpg.
Best Season: 20.4ppg, 4.8 apg, 1.7 rpg.

Artis Gilmore
http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/6/66/Gilmore_bulls.jpg
Career Average: 18.8 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 2.3 apg,2.4 bpg.
Best Season: (ABA) 25.6 ppg, 15.5 rpg, 2.5 apg, 2.4 bpg.

Wes Unseld
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Career Average: 10.8 ppg, 14.0 rpg, 3.9 apg.
Best Season: 16.2 ppg, 16.7 rpg, 3.9 apg. (at 6'7"!)

Buck Williams
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Career Average: 12.8 ppg, 10.0 rpg
Best Season: 18.3, 11.9, 1.6 apg

I'll think of more

[DECK]

These thread come up every couple weeks with the same names mentioned. Artis Gilmore, Andrew Toney, Mitch Richmond, Adrian Dantley, yada, yada, yada.


Now here is a real list of forgotten and underrated players list.


-Ed Macauley: Was the Celtics starting center before William
-George Yardley: A top scorer from the early years
-Richie Guerin: The Knicks first franchise player
-Cliff Hagan: 2nd best small forward behind Paul Arizin
-Maurice Stokes: An on the court accident ruined his career
-'Super' Lou Hudson: Sweet shooter from the 70s'
-Norm Van Lier: One of the great defender guards ever.
-Paul Westphal: 3 All-NBA 1st teams
-Mack Calvin: Forgotten great from the ABA
-Otis Birdsong: Guard from the early 80s'
-Norm Nixon: Magic's early running mate
-Latrel Sprewell: Don't focus on the negative, remember the mans game
JOHN SALMONS

[greensborohill]

Porter, Glen Rice, Isiah rider, Tom Guggliotta, Andrew Toney, Sprewell, Sam Cassel, Petrovich, Nick Van Exel, Corliss Williamson, Webber, Vlade, Muggsy Bogues, Kenny Anderson, Steve Smith, Eddie Jones (Who was awesome on the Lakers and Hornets, and has been completely forgotten) Alonzo Mourning, Jamaal Mashburn, Kevin Johnson, Allan Houston, John Stark and Voshod Leonard. At least thats the 90's list.


Good list


Chris Mullin shouldn't be the only 92 Dream Teamer not in the HoF. . . put him in!!

Leattner doesn't count.

[G.O.A.T]

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Alvin Robertson
Best Season: (1986) 17.0 ppg 6.3 rpg 5.5 apg 3.7 spg
Robertson won the Most Improved Player and Defensive Player of the Year Award in 1986. He was selected 2nd team All-NBA.
Six-time all-defensive team selection
four time NBA all-star
He is the NBA's career leader in steals per game and ranks 10th in total steals



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Fat Lever
Best Season: (1987) 18.9 ppg 8.9 rpg 8.0 apg 2.5 spg
Lever was an all-NBA 2nd team selection in 1987 and all-defensive 2nd team selection in '88
Two-time NBA all-star

[L.Kizzle]

Andy Phillip
Lenny Wilkens
Don Ohl
Jeff Mullins
Larry Kenon
Larry Nance
Terry Porter
Vin Baker

[Big_Dogg]

Chuck Person
Nick Anderson
Steve Smith

[Niquesports]

Here's the all-time underrated teammates...The Bulls of the early 1970's




http://www.nba.com/media/bulls/walker_040915.jpg
Chet Walker
Seven-time all-star
career 20 ppg average
Starter on 1967 NBA Champion 76ers


http://www.nba.com/media/bulls/love_050819.jpg
Bob Love
Four time all-star
three time all-defensive selection
twice all-NBA
averaged 22.7 ppg from 1969-1976 as a Chicago Bull


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Norman Van Lier
Led the NBA in assists in 1971 top five six times.
all-NBA in '74
three-time all-star
all-defensive team 1971-1978


http://www.slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/norm_van_lier_bob_love_jerry_sloan.jpg
Jerry Sloan
three time all-star
six time all defensive team
career average of 7.4 rpg at just 6'5"
averaged double figure scoring every season with Chicago.
No love for Tom Bowinkil the cENTER

[G.O.A.T]

No love for Tom Bowinkil the cENTER

No one stopping you from paying homage

[Glide2keva]

Think people are forgetting about Van? It is interesting to me as I have no clue how popular he is, but I loved his game. I wonder if he is fading in the average fans eyes?

Too much game for me to ever forget.
Yeah, Nick The Quick or Nick At night was the bomb on the court, I watched him at Cincy.

His game was so raw. He had the Lake Show going in the 90's before Kobe and Shaq got there. Him and Eddie jones were a great duo.

[Glide2keva]

Chuck Person

The Rifleman.

I used to hate to see the Bulls playing Indiana, because I knew this dude would light them up from 3, and he always did.

[MeLO MvP 15]

Bernard King and Alex English not that forgotten but really underrated...

[Big_Dogg]

The Rifleman.

I used to hate to see the Bulls playing Indiana, because I knew this dude would light them up from 3, and he always did.

I just loved the bravado, Chuck hit some big shots, just always had respect for the guy.

As mentioned by other posters, Bernard King and Alex English were highly under rated.

[Lebron23]

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[brantonli]

How about Otis Thorpe? An all star but probably has never been mentioned on this forum.

[AmoebaD]

yeah i agree, thorpe had a solid career. even when he was in washington he played well. solid, solid post player.

[Finger Roll]

Sean Elliott
Detlef schrempf
Glenn Robinson


the good old days....!!!

who's with me?

edit: just looked in this thread a bit, my guys might be a little to fresh still and maybe not so underrated...they are in my books though.
GLENN ROBINSON MID RANGE JUMPER FTW BABY!

[AmoebaD]

i always liked watching detlef. he was pretty big, tough but still had a versatile game. his freakin jumper was so pure. i liked watchin him play alongside pippen in portland on that deep ass team they had.

[feyki]

Josh Howard .

[fourkicks44]

Bill Bradley

[Solidape]

Porter, Glen Rice, Isiah rider, Tom Guggliotta, Andrew Toney, Sprewell, Sam Cassel, Petrovich, Nick Van Exel, Corliss Williamson, Webber, Vlade, Muggsy Bogues, Kenny Anderson, Steve Smith, Eddie Jones (Who was awesome on the Lakers and Hornets, and has been completely forgotten) Alonzo Mourning, Jamaal Mashburn, Kevin Johnson, Allan Houston, John Stark and Voshod Leonard. At least thats the 90's list.

Eddie jones was the man on the Lakers till Kobe showed up, damn wish they kept Eddie and Kobe.

[Solidape]

Yeah, Nick The Quick or Nick At night was the bomb on the court, I watched him at Cincy.

His game was so raw. He had the Lake Show going in the 90's before Kobe and Shaq got there. Him and Eddie jones were a great duo.

Eddie and Nick were the best when they kept knocking out Seattle sonics, Nick at night used to shit on Gary Payton with regularity.

[KissMySwag]

I wish there was still good basketball conversation like this on the forum. Good posters with good insight. As for my forgotten/underrated mention I'll go with mark Aguirre he may not be the most forgotten but I feel people only remember his couple years on those championship Pistons squads and forgot how he used to carry the Mavericks for close to a decade. Dude could score at will, If it wasn't for the showtime lakers I'm sure you would've seen the mavs make the finals at least one of those years and mark could've had a ring or two as the top dog as opposed to his role on the Pistons which wasn't short by any means but he wasn't the top dog.

[scuzzy]

Eddie jones was the man on the Lakers till Kobe showed up, damn wish they kept Eddie and Kobe.

They got rid of Eddie and Van Exel so Kobe could see more minutes

[Prime_Shaq]

Neil Johnston. Undersized center who played in the 50's.

1951-1959
1x NBA Championship (Philadelphia Warriors)
3x Scoring titles (Consecutive 52'-55')
1x Rebounding title
6x All-Star appearances
4x All-NBA First team
1x All-NBA Second team



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Johnston
Who the fk hates Tim Thomas

[bizil]

Some guys who were NEVER an all star or only a 1 time All Star is an interesting way to look at things:

Rod Strickland
Ron Harper
Derek Harper
Chuck Person
Nick Anderson
Mike Bibby
Steve Smith
Sam Cassell
Calvin Murphy
Rik Smits
Nick Van Exel

[fourkicks44]

Some guys who were NEVER an all star or only a 1 time All Star is an interesting way to look at things:

Rod Strickland
Ron Harper
Derek Harper
Chuck Person
Nick Anderson
Mike Bibby
Steve Smith
Sam Cassell
Calvin Murphy
Rik Smits
Nick Van Exel

Chris Gatling

[ClipperRevival]

I always thought peak Kevin Johnson was a beast. He used to torch Magic and the Lakers in the late 80's/early 90's. One of the most explosive and quickest small men ever and could get to the rack at will. At 6'1", he has two of the most memorable in-game dunks in history (Olajuwon and J. Williams), which is a testament to his amazing athleticism.

[fourkicks44]

I always thought peak Kevin Johnson was a beast. He used to torch Magic and the Lakers in the late 80's/early 90's. One of the most explosive and quickest small men ever and could get to the rack at will. At 6'1", he has two of the most memorable in-game dunks in history (Olajuwon and J. Williams), which is a testament to his amazing athleticism.

:applause:

Well said.

KJ is one of the GOAT point guards, no doubt. Well and truly forgotten/underrated on this message board, probably due to the younger age demographic of the majority of posters here.

It was a joy to have witnessed him play.