FDA bans cloves, black and milds, + more

[YAWN]

[QUOTE]Back in June we noted that the FDA was about to get a lot more say over the tobacco industry if Congress approved a new bill. Well Congress did, and so yesterday the FDA flexed its new muscles by banning fruit, herb, spice, and candy flavorings from cigarettes. That's right: clove cigarettes were just banned by the FDA, which is bad news for gothy teens and great news for everyone else.

But one particular herb wasn't banned (emphasis ours):

[goldenryan]

used to smoke black and milds when i went to the strip clubs. i won't miss em tho :pimp:

[triangleoffense]

is this for real? The FDA and DEA have more power than the president. I doubt this will pass

[~primetime~]

now they just need to figure out how to ban tobacco all together...

[picc84]

WTF? Wow I have a black and mild on the desk next to my keyboard as I type this. Was just smelling it through the wrapper.

[triangleoffense]

when i got gas today i saw black and milds for sale at the counter.. I don't smoke either so i don't care either way... doesn't seem constitutional though if you ask me

[Styles p]

wtf i love milds hopefully dutches are not on that list.

[Showtime]

now they just need to figure out how to ban tobacco all together...
You are missing the point. The FDA, like many other powerful agencies, are in bed with corporate america. Their interests are NOT the american people, but their wallets.

[~primetime~]

when i got gas today i saw black and milds for sale at the counter.. I don't smoke either so i don't care either way... doesn't seem constitutional though if you ask me
candy cigarettes are banned too dude...

tobacco kills more people than like every other possible cause of death combined...

the constitution needs to f*ck off with this one, unless you want to see cocaine at gas stations...

black and milds are also ghetto as f*ck anyway...

[~primetime~]

You are missing the point. The FDA, like many other powerful agencies, are in bed with corporate america. Their interests are NOT the american people, but their wallets.
then why did they ban flavored tobacco?

[pete's montreux]

candy cigarettes are banned too dude...

tobacco kills more people than like every other possible cause of death combined...

the constitution needs to f*ck off with this one, unless you want to see cocaine at gas stations...

black and milds are also ghetto as f*ck anyway...

speak for yourself

*puffs*

[Knuck the Ficks]

tobacco kills more people than like every other possible cause of death combined...
There's no way that's true. Stop lying.

[triangleoffense]

candy cigarettes are banned too dude...

tobacco kills more people than like every other possible cause of death combined...

the constitution needs to f*ck off with this one, unless you want to see cocaine at gas stations...

black and milds are also ghetto as f*ck anyway...

cigerattes and menthol is still legal. and in america the #1 cause of death is heart problems, so i guess they need to ban fast food too?

[pete's montreux]

There's no way that's true. Stop lying.

Remember, 70.6243% of statistics are made up on the spot.

[Showtime]

then why did they ban flavored tobacco?
Did you not just read the post?

[quote]So why wasn't menthol included on the banned additives list? Aside from the fact that banning them would cut nearly between a quarter to a third of the profit out of the industry and waste decades of niche marketing, the [B]Act that gave the FDA this power was co-authored by ginormous tobacco company Philip Morris (now called Altria), which had a clear incentive to keep menthols on the market but shut out the flavored cigarettes that smaller competitors have been introducing. (Sort of like how the big toy companies pushed through the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act

[~primetime~]

Did you not just read the post?
but Black and Milds are owned by Phillip Morris...

I don't get it?

[~primetime~]

I was exagerating with the "kills more than every other possible thing combined" comment...

but yes, most fast food places should be f*ckin banned...

[Knuck the Ficks]

I was exagerating with the "kills more than every other possible thing combined" comment...

but yes, most fast food places should be f*ckin banned...
So basically you made something up to push your point. What you say from now on has no credibility.

[Showtime]

but Black and Milds are owned by Phillip Morris...

I don't get it?
It's about market share. Smaller companies who can't get an edge with flavors will have a much harder time grabbing customers who already smoke with the bigger brands.

[simcjt]

The loophole around this is just like Prohibition. You can still have and consume for personal use. So just order online I guess or just go to a shady store. Dutch's are technically cigars so I don't think they are subjects and I know that things that are covered by this are already looking for ways to be registered as another product.

[~primetime~]

So basically you made something up to push your point. What you say from now on has no credibility.
I "exagerated"...yes

[~primetime~]

It's about market share. Smaller companies who can't get an edge with flavors will have a much harder time grabbing customers who already smoke with the bigger brands.
so why did they ban Black and Milds?

which are produced by Phillip Morris...

[Hawker]

candy cigarettes are banned too dude...

tobacco kills more people than like every other possible cause of death combined...

the constitution needs to f*ck off with this one, unless you want to see cocaine at gas stations...

black and milds are also ghetto as f*ck anyway...

It's about freedom of choice dude. You can't just throw out the constitution. If people want to smoke then so be it...it's their own damn fault.

[~primetime~]

It's about freedom of choice dude. You can't just throw out the constitution. If people want to smoke then so be it...it's their own damn fault.
so with that line of thinking lets just open up pharamcies to everyone...it is their "choice"...as well as every illegal drug on the planet...

this particular banning is ment to get tobacco away from children...just like candy cigarettes are banned, so are strawberry flavored ones...

I am all for it...

[YAWN]

this particular banning is ment to get tobacco away from children...just like candy cigarettes are banned, so are strawberry flavored ones...

I am all for it...

why didn't they ban menthols? they're the same thing as those flavored ones..

[~primetime~]

why didn't they ban menthols? they're the same thing as those flavored ones..
well I think the answer to that is pretty obvious...even though the FDA will deny it, the market for menthols is just too damn enormous...

that is basically every black smoker...lol

[triangleoffense]

scientists have never empirically proven that smoking causes cancer. There is a big correlation sure but in countries like japan have one of the lowest cancer rates among their population yet they have a bigger smoking population than america

[Knuck the Ficks]

I "exagerated"...yes
You blatantly lied.

[~primetime~]

You blatantly lied.
yes, I did...it is called "exagerating"...:lol

christ, move on already...

[Sanity]

lets ban water, that way no one can drown

[OneMoreSucka]

Primetimes aren't included, so it's all good people.

[~primetime~]

Primetimes aren't included, so it's all good people.
:D


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new avy possiblities here...

[endorphins]

this is some serious bull**** **** that man

[kenuffff]

i see this ruining the lives of weed smokers, if you can't get a strawberry or grape dutch.

[~primetime~]

i see this ruining the lives of weed smokers, if you can't get a strawberry or grape dutch.
those particular weed smokers don't have a life to ruin...

[oh the horror]

I love how people have that jackass mentality of "it doesnt affect me, so i dont care"


Well, sooner or later, something they ban, or tax WILL invade into your little world, and what then?


Its anyone's god given right to smoke these things....why is this being banned to begin with? Health reasons?

[~primetime~]

I love how people have that jackass mentality of "it doesnt affect me, so i dont care"


Well, sooner or later, something they ban, or tax WILL invade into your little world, and what then?


Its anyone's god given right to smoke these things....why is this being banned to begin with? Health reasons?
flavored tobacco targets children, if you want a cherry flavored cigarette it is safe to say you are very young...and yes, just like crack it is your god given right to smoke anything, that doesn't mean it has to be legal...

I smoked for 15 years of my life, I wish tobacco was just flat out illegal...let the black market have that sh*t...f*ck it...

[visirale]

Well I quit smoking 2 weeks ago so I don't particularly care.

Still, the government is overstepping itself. If people want to give themselves lung-cancer, let them do it.

Yes, nicotine is addictive. I loved it. Loved it loved it loved it. Went from 1 cig every few days to 5-7 a day in about 2.5 years. But I realized that whatever little rush I got from it was not worth having lung cancer later in life. I quit cold turkey, and I haven't been tempted since. The times I've thought about it, I just imagine myself getting the bad news at 50 that I have lung cancer and the pain it would bring to my family and future-children. It's just not worth it.

With all that being said, I completely support the right of others to give themselves lung-cancer--it's the American way.

[Cannonball]

flavored tobacco targets children, if you want a cherry flavored cigarette it is safe to say you are very young...and yes, just like crack it is your god given right to smoke anything, that doesn't mean it has to be legal...

I smoked for 15 years of my life, I wish tobacco was just flat out illegal...let the black market have that sh*t...f*ck it...
end the war on drugs. It's peoples personal choice if they want to **** their lives up with drugs...

[~primetime~]

end the war on drugs. It's peoples personal choice if they want to **** their lives up with drugs...
unfortunatly those personal choices ruins the lives of those that choose not to do them...

like visirale said, he quit smoking because it would crush his family, not himself...

kids are idiots, I know because I used to be one...I don't want every drug in the world available to them...f*ck that...

and I know kids can get almost anything anyway, but it sure was a whole hell of alot harder to find some heroin than it was a six pack and some smokes when I was 16...

[bdreason]

Still, the government is overstepping itself. If people want to give themselves lung-cancer, let them do it.



And with Socialized Health Care it's my tax dollar that will have to pay for the smokers hospital bills.

If you want to smoke, go for it... but IF you smoke, you should have to pay your own medical expenses... or just die.

[oh the horror]

unfortunatly those personal choices ruins the lives of those that choose not to do them...
..



Ah, youre this type of person. Frankly there is no reasoning with this type of lame duck logic.

[triangleoffense]

if you honestly think that this law is intended to protect "children" and non-smokers and not to make tobacco companies billions of dollars then your probably still in grade school. Flavored tobacco are pretty much diarum cloves and that brand is coincidentally not owned by huge tobacco

[visirale]

if you honestly think that this law is intended to protect "children" and non-smokers and not to make tobacco companies billions of dollars then your probably still in grade school. Flavored tobacco are pretty much diarum cloves and that brand is coincidentally not owned by huge tobacco
Wait... explain your logic, because I see none. Everyone profits from the existence of a product. No one profits from the absence of one. Djarum is a much larger market than you think. In specialty tobacco stores there are more flavored-tobacco products than non-flavored-tobacco products... all that withstanding, I return to my original point. Do you think the kids that were thinking about smoking a fruity cigarette are going to be "Hmmm, no cherry's guess I'll have to go straight to Marlboro Reds!" I doubt it, and if they do they'll most likely vomit. For once, this legislation isn't about earning big-tobacco companies money. Flavored cigarettes serve as a "gateway drug" of sorts to non-flavored mainstream brands. This bill attempts to save lives and money in terms of healthcare.

[triangleoffense]

djarum isn't an american-based company. You have no idea how kids think. Just because it's candy flavored doesn't mean they'll like it. Kids typically do things people tell them they can't do, like drugs.

[~primetime~]

Ah, youre this type of person. Frankly there is no reasoning with this type of lame duck logic.
drugs, alcohol, and even cigarettes kill THOUSANDS of people every year aht do not use them...

there is nothing lame about that logic at all...

making everything on the planet just legal to anyone would be a complete disaster...

why not go ahead and let Walmart sell machine guns?

f*ck it, if you got the money, lets allow people to buy nukes...


there have to be some limits and regulations...

[~primetime~]

if you honestly think that this law is intended to protect "children" and non-smokers and not to make tobacco companies billions of dollars then your probably still in grade school. Flavored tobacco are pretty much diarum cloves and that brand is coincidentally not owned by huge tobacco
how is banning more tobacco going to make tobacco companies billions?

that makes no sense...

[Hawker]

drugs, alcohol, and even cigarettes kill THOUSANDS of people every year aht do not use them...

there is nothing lame about that logic at all...

making everything on the planet just legal to anyone would be a complete disaster...

why not go ahead and let Walmart sell machine guns?

f*ck it, if you got the money, lets allow people to buy nukes...


there have to be some limits and regulations...

slippery slope argument fails here...

[~primetime~]

djarum isn't an american-based company. You have no idea how kids think. Just because it's candy flavored doesn't mean they'll like it. Kids typically do things people tell them they can't do, like drugs.
everyone here is either still a kid or at one point was a kid...everyone here has an idea of how kids think...

Tobacco companies also know how kids think...

http://www.artofsmoking.com/joe-camel.jpg


^^^

do you think the FDA banned him so that tobacco companies can make billions?

http://www.megalink.net/~dale/candycig1.jpg

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did the FDA also ban those so that tobacco companies can make billions???




maybe it is time for people to put the conspiracy theories aside and consider that there is a chance they are just trying to keep tobacco away from the youngsters...

[~primetime~]

slippery slope argument fails here...
ok, I don't know what that means...but legalizing everything would be a f*ckin nightmare...no question about it...

[visirale]

I would argue that soda has just as much damage if not more. Coke and Pepsi spend BILLIONS on marketing their products and making them seem like so much more than a sugary brown beverage. People have been consuming them at ridiculous rates and obesity and diabetes have soared in tandem with soda sales... but we're not about to ban soda.

Like I said, I think cigarettes are completely awful and people shouldn't smoke. However, they should be able to make that decision for themselves.

Banning a cartoon camel that was explicitly used to market to children is one thing... but telling them they can't create flavored cigarettes? If a legal-aged adult decides he wants a cherry cigarette, let him have it.

INB4 all the kids who were going to buy cloves go out tomorrow and buy berry-flavored Skoal.

[sunsfan1357]

INB4 all the kids who were going to buy cloves go out tomorrow and buy berry-flavored Skoal.
Mint Skoal is where it's at.

[visirale]

Mint Skoal is where it's at.
No skoal is where it's at. Skoal is where mouth cancer is at...

http://www.simcoemuskokahealth.org/Libraries/DRAW_Tobacco/mouth_cancer.sflb.ashx

[1987_Lakers]

I use to smoke black and milds until i got hooked on Newports.:pimp:

[TEXAS BATMAN]

wtf. dudes are going to rob kwik e marts jus tot get their tobacoo fix. this is outrageous.