Matrix Movie Trivia... What does the woman in the Red Dress Symbolize?

[Wizardly Cool]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_WwA9RRKpEpc/SPK6H7F4VoI/AAAAAAAAAO8/EVI-TyzEUgE/s400/theMatrix.womanInRed.jpg

http://www.hackthematrix.org/matrix/pics/m1/inside/reddress1.jpg


All fans of the Matrix should know by now that the Matrix Trilogy has many underlying messages, Biblical overtones, and certain elements that symbolize a deeper meaning.

So my bonus question of the day is What does this woman in red represent?

[Rameek]

Leaving the True reality and back to the normal world i think.... They want to stay in the Matrix

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

never watched no even one of the matrix movies...anyways i am going to go with her representing satan.

[momo]

Punani.

[HylianNightmare]

i'd hit it

[bisk]

Just a distraction during Neo's training.
To be alert at all times etc..
Nothing else.

[RedBlackAttack]

I never really thought about it, but just thinking back to the scene and what it could possibly represent, I'm going to go the political route... Communism? Looks beautiful and alluring from the outside but can be incredibly dangerous.

Communism is really a beautiful premise when you read about the ideology in text books. It is its application that becomes sticky.

:confusedshrug:

....stab in the dark.

[Wizardly Cool]

Just a distraction during Neo's training.
To be alert at all times etc..
Nothing else.


Oh make no mistake about it, there's a much deeper meaning.


A viewer asked the Wachowski brothers, "Your movie has many and varied connections to myths and philosophies, Judeo-Christian, Egyptian, Arthurian, and Platonic, just to name those I've noticed. How much of that was intentional?" They replied, "All of it" (Wachowski chat).

[bisk]

Well if it is, it's a nice touch to the movie.
But then again, 99% of the people would probably think it was just
a nice distraction.

[Wizardly Cool]

I'm going to go the political route...

No.

that's the wrong route.

[RedBlackAttack]

No.

that's the wrong route.
I like my theory. I'm sticking with it. I bet it makes more sense than the 'right' answer. :pimp:

[OneMoreSucka]

Leaving the True reality and back to the normal world i think.... They want to stay in the Matrix
This. Represents a reason why some want to leave the Matrix but they have it all right there. Similar to when they're at the restaurant eating steak.

[Knuck the Ficks]

Communism is really a beautiful premise when you read about the ideology in text books.
I think it's a terrible premise. The whole idea or removing one's individuality in favour of the group disgusts me. We have only one life to live, why would anyone want to live it under the orders of others?

[RidonKs]

the entire movie revolves around power relations and concepts of control, so i would say she represents the temptation of removing free agency from other sentient beings while masking it as for the greater good. doesn't the nerdy kid say "she'll do anything" with an ear to ear grin on his face? she's perfectly willing to blow neo in any way he wants, because she is part of a system of control, a system in which the nerd offers neo the position of the head. benefits of that temptation overwhelms some, while others are able to escape it.

i have no idea what the religious symbolism might be, but that's my stab.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

question 4 rba/donks: why was the little girl in schindler's list the only glint of scarlet mongst the black and white?

[RedBlackAttack]

I think it's a terrible premise. The whole idea or removing one's individuality in favour of the group disgusts me. We have only one life to live, why would anyone want to live it under the orders of others?
Of course living for the 'group' rather than the 'individual' would disgust someone with conservative tendencies. To be totally honest, money and material possessions aren't that important to me. There is a lot more to life than acquiring as much 'stuff' as possible in order to separate you from others.

Rest assured... Capitalism run amuck can be as dangerous as communism run amuck. A good political structure should have a nice mix of ideologies.

[RidonKs]

I think it's a terrible premise. The whole idea or removing one's individuality in favour of the group disgusts me. We have only one life to live, why would anyone want to live it under the orders of others?
i'm not sure the removal of personal identity is anywhere near the ideal of communism. that's more of a fantasy world in which those who are frightened of the system's repercussions (among which that might be one) generally live.

[RidonKs]

question 4 rba/donks: why was the little girl in schindler's list the only glint of scarlet mongst the black and white?
low budget.

[Knuck the Ficks]

Of course living for the 'group' rather than the 'individual' would disgust someone with conservative tendencies. To be totally honest, money and material possessions aren't that important to me. There is a lot more to life than acquiring as much 'stuff' as possible in order to separate you from others.
To be honest I don't really give a **** about money either. Unfortunately, it is the only quantifiable incentive human beings have which is the primary reason why collective societies have failed. A person will not study hard to become a doctor if they see another person bludging and receiving the same reward.


A good political structure should have a nice mix of ideologies.
Agreed. As much as I disagree with most left positions the world would not be great if everyone was right wing.

[RidonKs]

A person will not study hard to become a doctor if they see another person bludging and receiving the same reward.
could that be because every attempt at countrywide communal politics (of recent memory) tried to evolve from a society in which the best were rewarded more than the worst? a moot point in terms of implementing a system of the sort, sure, but still fascinating to consider. i guess that's where the natural man theorists come in.

[Knuck the Ficks]

i'm not sure the removal of personal identity is anywhere near the ideal of communism. that's more of a fantasy world in which those who are frightened of the system's repercussions (among which that might be one) generally live.
You have got to be ****ing kidding me. Fantasy world? :oldlol:

Ask a Chinese citizen who's barred from logging on to youtube

Ask any Cuban citizen, who last year were finally given permission to own a freaking microwave

Ask the family of a North Korean who has just been executed because he made an international call.

Communism involves the complete stripping of one's individuality. Your attempt to dismiss this fact as "fantasy" was quite pathetic. I've read your posts before and you seem quite rational and intelligent - but you are clearly wrong here.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

could that be because every attempt at countrywide communal politics (of recent memory) tried to evolve from a society in which the best were rewarded more than the worst? a moot point in terms of implementing a system of the sort, sure, but still fascinating to consider. i guess that's where the natural man theorists come in.

Love it when people isolate the philosophically irrelevant, and mindf*ck their intuitions.

Repped.

[Wizardly Cool]

I'll give yall a hint...

Who or What does this man symbolize?

http://wiki.songbirdnest.com/@api/deki/files/686/=agent-smith.jpg

[RidonKs]

Communism involves the complete stripping of one's individuality.
set up a neo-liberal capitalist venture under those same governments and they still **** everybody in the *******. communism is a temptation for power seekers, and thus, our most well-known communist societies are all led by blatantly authoritarian *******s with only themselves in mind. cuba, maoist china, soviet russia, north korea - these examples are not reliable in an argument against theoretical communism.

what about using as an example a properly run kibbutz?

i did qualify the 'fantasy world' comment by including the fact that loss of individuality could very well stem from communism. but i also chuckled when i wrote that, because the communist utopia is generally regarded by most as the 'fantasy world'.

[OneMoreSucka]

I'll give yall a hint...

Who or What does this man symbolize?

http://wiki.songbirdnest.com/@api/deki/files/686/=agent-smith.jpg
Bad acting?

[RidonKs]

Bad acting?
you crossed the line young man. apologize. apologize to hugo.

[Knuck the Ficks]

set up a neo-liberal capitalist venture under those same governments and they still **** everybody in the *******.
In a properly implemented neo-liberal capitalist society they wouldn't have the power to do so.


communism is a temptation for power seekers, and thus, our most well-known communist societies are all led by blatantly authoritarian *******s with only themselves in mind. cuba, maoist china, soviet russia, north korea - these examples are not reliable in an argument against theoretical communism.
Bull****. They are practicing communism in the only way it could possibly work - by force. If you run a communist society then you need to keep people in line otherwise the system will fail. And the only way you can stifle individual desire is by locking dissenters up or shooting them.



what about using as an example a properly run kibbutz?
Because that's a terrible example. You could never ever that system used by a small group of people and generalise it for an entire nation of individuals. The main reason being that people who are part of a kibbutz are free to leave.

[Take Your Lumps]

I'll give yall a hint...

Who or What does this man symbolize?

http://wiki.songbirdnest.com/@api/deki/files/686/=agent-smith.jpg

2nd JFK gunman! Satan! George Bush! A Lizard Person! Pie!

I give up?

[Wizardly Cool]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxm9sxQByos

Last clue... Let's examine the scene that the Lady in the Red Dress is in...




If you want another clue... This description is close to the right answer (in the video):


This scene in the Matrix illustrates beautifully how more or less everyone is a potential savage and can turn into an evil entity in the blink of an eye. One moment they are maybe a women in a red dress, the next they are like the devil himself.


This is on the right track.... but still incorrect.

[beasly15]

she symbolizes whores... whores everywhere! in the world, in the mind, in the matrix! there are whores everywhere, that's my final answer.

[Wizardly Cool]

she symbolizes whores... whores everywhere! in the world, in the mind, in the matrix! there are whores everywhere, that's my final answer.


I'm gonna have to ask the judges if that final answer is acceptable...


Judges?



it looks like...



it looks like....


oooohhhhh.... I'm sorry, that was close but it appears that we are going to need a little bit more detail in your final answer.

You were very close though.

[Meticode]

To me the woman in the red dress always symbolized sin or evil as in the Bible. Which in turn, which is ultimately gets Mouse killed who created the woman in red in the movie becuase he was looking at a poster of her when he got killed in the building by agents/police.

[beasly15]

I'm gonna have to ask the judges if that final answer is acceptable...


Judges?



it looks like...



it looks like....


oooohhhhh.... I'm sorry, that was close but it appears that we are going to need a little bit more detail in your final answer.

You were very close though.

the dude tells neo he created her, and he offered him some "time" with her, so she's a whore,prostitute,slut,etc.

whores everywhere!!!

[Wizardly Cool]

To me the woman in the red dress always symbolized sin or evil as in the Bible. Which in turn, which is ultimately gets Mouse killed who created the woman in red in the movie becuase he was looking at a poster of her when he got killed in the building by agents/police.


This is the best answer so far... you are correct my friend.


start around the 6:00 mark for the more detailed answer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDKj8tAzB5c



As you can see in the scene where Neo is distracted lustfully by the lady in the Red Dress... It ultimately leads to his death (but this was just a test).

It was a tool used by Devil to lure Neo into a trap. (metaphorically speaking).


But yes... In the Matrix Trilogy, Agent Smith obviously represents Satan (or evil it's self).

[Gundress]

My guess is the woman in the Red Dress symbolize the apple, she is fruit that grants people the power to see the matrix like God told Adam & Eve not to eat the knowledge of tree but Eve ate it got tricked by Devil, Eve told Adam to eat it....."The knowledge of Good and Evil"

Eve = Woman in the red dress

Snake = Agent Smith

[Meticode]

This is the best answer so far... you are correct my friend.


start around the 6:00 mark for the more detailed answer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDKj8tAzB5c



As you can see in the scene where Neo is distracted lustfully by the lady in the Red Dress... It ultimately leads to his death (but this was just a test).

It was a tool used by Devil to lure Neo into a trap. (metaphorically speaking).


But yes... In the Matrix Trilogy, Agent Smith obviously represents Satan (or evil it's self).

I used to be a big Matrix buff. I always saw so many underlinings of good/evil in that movie related to the bible. Especially in the second movie. Neo basically being worshipped like a messiah, Neo having his followers or apostles, agent Smith (evil/satan) infected a real person in the real world that followed Neo then having him turn on him almost representing Judas from the bible that betrayed Jesus, etc, etc. Also another instances of that is Cypher doing that to the whole gang in the first one betraying them all.

[Wizardly Cool]

agent Smith (evil/satan) infected a real person in the real world that followed Neo then having him turn on him almost representing Judas from the bible that betrayed Jesus, etc, etc.


Wow... what was that characters name?

I thought that guy was suppose to symbolize the antichrist.

Satan taking the form of a human in the real world.


Only Neo could see that he was Agent Smith (Satan) even when he was blind in the real world.

But you are right... he very well could of represented Judas.

[i seen hippos]

The woman in red represents periods. Periods represent male sexual constipation just as the Matrix represents a constipation of reality.

I heard this on the outside. Don't take my word for it.

[sergiorodriguez]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_WwA9RRKpEpc/SPK6H7F4VoI/AAAAAAAAAO8/EVI-TyzEUgE/s400/theMatrix.womanInRed.jpg

http://www.hackthematrix.org/matrix/pics/m1/inside/reddress1.jpg


All fans of the Matrix should know by now that the Matrix Trilogy has many underlying messages, Biblical overtones, and certain elements that symbolize a deeper meaning.

So my bonus question of the day is What does this woman in red represent?
the fig of knowledge (*****=looks like a fig cut in half), ORIGINAL SIN

[Lebowsky]

Dooms, no offense but you should stop making youtube videos pass as a reliable source of information. That clip wasn't too convincing, to be honest. Its main argument is a parallelism between the matrix and a different movie which features a woman in red (and in which Reeves plays the lead). It's not too strong of an argument, and surely not the undeniable truth you made it out to be.

[Meticode]

Wow... what was that characters name?

I thought that guy was suppose to symbolize the antichrist.

Satan taking the form of a human in the real world.


Only Neo could see that he was Agent Smith (Satan) even when he was blind in the real world.

But you are right... he very well could of represented Judas.

I didn't even think about the antichrist with that. Could go either way I guess. It's to the eye of the beholder in my opinion.

[Wizardly Cool]

Dooms, no offense but you should stop making youtube videos pass as a reliable source of information. That clip wasn't too convincing, to be honest. Its main argument is a parallelism between the matrix and a different movie which features a woman in red (and in which Reeves plays the lead). It's not too strong of an argument, and surely not the undeniable truth you made it out to be.

http://goremasternews.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/sigourney-weaver-in-ghostbusters1.jpg

Remember this B*tch dressed in Red when she was possessed by evil? (Ghostbusters)

She was trying to lure in Bill Murray and $hit like that.

[Meticode]

http://goremasternews.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/sigourney-weaver-in-ghostbusters1.jpg

Remember this B*tch dressed in Red when she was possessed by evil? (Ghostbusters)

She was trying to lure in Bill Murray and $hit like that.

Signory Weaver, slut version.

[Wizardly Cool]

http://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/16/A70-8368

[Gundress]

Enough with your conspiracy theory @ss sh!t.

Wanna play monopoly?

[Gundress]

Check your PM again.

[beasly15]

the woman in the red dress symbolizes the three red properties on monopoly.

[jbot]

hopefully it symbolizes the end to the trilogy. that last one was crap.

[shlver]

It's simple, temptation. Adam and Eve sinned by eating the forbidden Fruit, the knowledge of Good and Evil. Eve, a woman, tempted Adam into eating of the fruit, in the same way the woman is a temptation to Neo. Secondly, the color red. Neo was given a choice, two pills(forbidden fruit): a red pill, "knowledge" or truth about the matrix or a blue pill, escaping the matrix. It's clear as day. You're over complicating it.

[Gundress]

Dooms & Shlver, wanna play monopoly?

[~primetime~]

temptation...

[Gundress]

temptation...


Wanna play monopoly?

[~primetime~]

Wanna play monopoly?
not right now...

[Mista Kool]

Menstruation?

[Gundress]

not right now...


how come?

By the way....Ask Dooms.....just call him.

[~primetime~]

how come?

By the way....Ask Dooms.....just call him.
I'm busy dude...maybe later

[RedBlackAttack]

Menstruation?
It would be much better if it were...

The red standing for the devil's temptation is really kind of lame.

[shlver]

It would be much better if it were...

The red standing for the devil's temptation is really kind of lame.
Why? You guys are over thinking it.

[Gundress]

I'm busy dude...maybe later


all right.

[DeuceWallaces]

She doesn't stand for anything.

[RidonKs]

In a properly implemented neo-liberal capitalist society they wouldn't have the power to do so.
sure. my point is that they're morons who can't be trusted with any political system. so using them to indict communism, you're happily building up your strawman in order to knock it down. that's a major issue with any discussion around communism.


Bull****. They are practicing communism in the only way it could possibly work - by force. If you run a communist society then you need to keep people in line otherwise the system will fail. And the only way you can stifle individual desire is by locking dissenters up or shooting them.
you're looking at the problem from a historic standpoint. helpful in some cases in that it provides evidence to back up certain claims - useless in this discussion. people don't dissent from true communism - they run it. communism is communal ownership - communal ownership is societal ownership - society is the people - the people consist of individuals - so how can the individual dissent... from himself? 'forcing somebody to abide by communism' is, in the strictest sense of the political term, a nonsensical statement. a borderline contradiction. you're the owner, that's the whole point.

your conception of communism is a faulty one, in that its based on historic evidence of efforts to implement - wait for it - fascism. fascism labeled as communism. that's a big issue, because nobody understands what the word really means. its not an expansion of government, its an evolution beyond government, in the direction of a perfectly communal society. okay, perhaps it isn't applicable on a large scale. that's possible. it's not a certainty, but i can understand and sympathize with that stance. but i brought up the kibbutz for a reason - small as it may be, its an example of real communal living brought to fruition, and implemented with success. you can't ignore it because it doesn't run all of russia - all you can do is say it doesn't run all of russia. that's not a counter, its just an irrelevant statement.

maybe nations have grown to large? could it be that the average size of the contemporary nation-state is just too big? maybe that's a root cause of oppression. these aren't questions to be dismissed as irrelevant, even if they might seem downright absurd in our world.

[ConanRulesNBC]

Which one is this from? The first Matrix was badass... the other two... they're decent.