Ufc 104

[MarloStanfield]

Shogun and Machida are two of my favorite fighters period. I'm really torn on who to root for. I think I'll root for Shogun just because most UFC fans don't realize how talented of a fighter he is. His LHWGP tear was the most impressive 5 fight streak I've ever seen...

If Shogun is in shape he's one of the only fighters capable of beating Machida.

Also I hope Cain Velasquez smashes the savvy veteran Big Ben Rothwell.

What are you hoping to see tonight?

[ihatetimthomas]

Shogun has the power to take out Machida. He certainly is not totally outclassed like many people believe. But his cardio looked horrible against Griffin. Although i have heard his cardio is at its best now. Shogun is certainly a better matchup than Rashad Evans.

That being said, I believe Machida still outclasses him and will win via KO 2nd or 3rd round. Machida is the master at counter attacks and fights well against aggressive fighters. Shogun is an aggressive fighter and I expect Machida to catch him. He is one of my favorite fighters. I am scheduled to be on a production shoot for an interview early next week so I am really hoping he wins.

[lefthook00]

Pride Shogun would f*ck Machida up...but 2 ACL tears within a year = sad...

I hate how Pride fighters are judged by their UFC tenures...they are older and usually past their prime when they come to the UFC...

Machida really wasn't that tight until his recent streak. He was Mr. Decision. He finally started knocking opponents out, which is nice.

[Eldrunko247]

Pride Shogun would f*ck Machida up...but 2 ACL tears within a year = sad...

I hate how Pride fighters are judged by their UFC tenures...they are older and usually past their prime when they come to the UFC...

Machida really wasn't that tight until his recent streak. He was Mr. Decision. He finally started knocking opponents out, which is nice.
I don't know about that. Pride fighters have shown to be more durable than UFC fighters of the same era. Chuck is on "Dancing With The Stars". His chin is in a paper bag somewhere. Tim Sylvia and Andre Arlovski are now HW fodder. Matt Hughes is pretty much done. Nog is worn down but still chugging away. Fedor is still the best. Rampage and Anderson Silva are still going strong although Rampage is acting now. Shogun is still in title contention. Vitor did fight in Pride after his early years in the UFC. He's looking great as of late. Hendo is still a bad ass so the Pride fighters not doing well in the UFC is inaccurate. Most of the top dogs in the UFC at the time have faded away already.

[simcjt]

Anyone have a sopcast address for the fight?

[Jackass18]

I'm hoping for a great back-and-forth from Shogun and Machida with Machida pulling out the victory.

Velasquez
Stevenson
Rumble
Neer
Bader
Okami
Rivera
Kingsbury
Gormley

[Eldrunko247]

I can't stand the fact that Machida rocks a uni-brow and drinks his own piss.

War Shogun!

[Jackass18]

Also, Dream 12 is on tonight.

[simcjt]

I can't stand the fact that Machida rocks a uni-brow and drinks his own piss.

War Shogun!
:wtf: ... I didn't believe you but then I looked it up ....

[PistolPete]

http://www.bourbontheatre.com/eventpics/UFC104.jpg

[arkain]

I can't stand the fact that Machida rocks a uni-brow and drinks his own piss.

War Shogun!

Him too? Picked it up from Marquez eh? lol

[Mikaiel]

I can't wait. Machida vs Shogun should be a great fight. I'll be rooting for Shogun but I think Machida will win.

A few weeks ago, I showed some Machida fights to a couple of friends. They're both black belts in Shotokan karate, like Machida, and they were like "OMG !!! :eek: :eek: :eek: That guy's unbelievable"

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

[fatboy11]

Him too? Picked it up from Marquez eh? lolMachida's been doing it for a while now.

I got...

Machida
Rothwell
Stevenson
Rumble
Neer
Bader
Barry
Okami
Gormley
Al-Hussan
Rivera

[ihatetimthomas]

I can't wait. Machida vs Shogun should be a great fight. I'll be rooting for Shogun but I think Machida will win.

A few weeks ago, I showed some Machida fights to a couple of friends. They're both black belts in Shotokan karate, like Machida, and they were like "OMG !!! :eek: :eek: :eek: That guy's unbelievable"

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

Why do you act surprised by the way your friends reacted? Machida is phenomenal, and has been phenomenal for some time.

[Mikaiel]

Why do you act surprised by the way your friends reacted? Machida is phenomenal, and has been phenomenal for some time.

Well yeah but karate is their thing. I expected them to say he's a great fighter or something. I didn't expect them to act like they had never seen anything like it.

[Eldrunko247]

Him too? Picked it up from Marquez eh? lol
Ricky Martin

"I love giving the golden shower. I've done it before in the shower. It's like so sexy, you know, the temperature of your body and the shower water is very different."

:lol

[PistolPete]

Watching Spike now and learning more about Machida. Never seen a fight of his live until tonight.

[Big One]

I can't wait. Machida vs Shogun should be a great fight. I'll be rooting for Shogun but I think Machida will win.

A few weeks ago, I showed some Machida fights to a couple of friends. They're both black belts in Shotokan karate, like Machida, and they were like "OMG !!! :eek: :eek: :eek: That guy's unbelievable"

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:


why are you ":wtf: " that they thought that?:wtf:

[beasly15]

i'm going with machida.

[Mikaiel]

why are you ":wtf: " that they thought that?:wtf:

I'm not saying "Why would they think that ? Are they stupid or something ?". Of course Machida is a great fighter. He's actually one of my favorite MMA fighters.

But let's say I've never watched Kobe play. But I'm a big LeBron fan. If you make me watch a Laker game, I'll be like "Yeah that Kobe guy is really pretty damn good" or something like that. I wouldn't be like "OMG !!! :eek: :eek: :eek:". I mean I've already seen LeBron. I know what a great player is. I thought that's how they would react. But no, they were like "OMG !!! :eek: :eek: :eek: " like they had never seen anyone like him. That tells you how great of a fighter he is.

[sergiorodriguez]

anyone got a live internet feed of this thing? Im gonna try hooking up my laptop to my friends bigscreen to watch dis thing


Also when is that free Fedor fight going to be on?

[ihatetimthomas]

Well yeah but karate is their thing. I expected them to say he's a great fighter or something. I didn't expect them to act like they had never seen anything like it.

This is what makes him so special. Nobody can train for him because there is no other similar fighter like him. He fights in an unorthodox fashion and waits for you to make the 1st mistake. The best counter fighter in the biz now

[simcjt]

anyone got a live internet feed of this thing? Im gonna try hooking up my laptop to my friends bigscreen to watch dis thing


Also when is that free Fedor fight going to be on?
http://www.atdhe.net/5282/watch-ufc-104

[sergiorodriguez]

http://www.atdhe.net/5282/watch-ufc-104
:cheers:

http://www.cagepotato.com/strikeforce-fedor-vs-rogers-be-broadcast-117-cbs
this is the fight i was looking for, Fedor vs Rogers, november 7th free on Strikeforce on CBS.


I always wonder if UFC is so big how come they can't get Fedor to fight their guys, when a less talented fighting circuit like Strikeforce can, wasnt strikeforce the same one that had Kimbo Slice vs the British Can as their main event?

Is this Rogers guy Fedor fighting any good? does he have a chance?

[~primetime~]

could people post as many links as they can find please?

last time they kept going out, and you had to switch fro link to link constantly...



will rep...

[sergiorodriguez]

could people post as many links as they can find please?

last time they kept going out, and you had to switch fro link to link constantly...



will rep...
just go to atdhe.net all the links should show up there, and everytime one goes out it usually gets replaced by another within minutes

[sergiorodriguez]

wait a sec is this live on spike tv? I just assumed it was PPV ok awesome I have Spike tv im watching this on the bigscreen

[simcjt]

wait a sec is this live on spike tv? I just assumed it was PPV ok awesome I have Spike tv im watching this on the bigscreen
It's on spike till the real show starts. They have been doing this for like their last few ppv's

[arkain]

wait a sec is this live on spike tv? I just assumed it was PPV ok awesome I have Spike tv im watching this on the bigscreen

Undercards are on Spike, they were last time too. Main event on PPV though.

[sergiorodriguez]

DAMN that ginger is getting rocked but hes still in there, thats one tough mofo

[simcjt]

I'm shocked it wasn't stopped

[simcjt]

ATDHE still working. Not the huge a ppv so I think tonight is going to be a good night

[Mikaiel]

sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/24267

[PistolPete]

The ATDHE.net stream is freezing up on me

[simcjt]

sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/24267
Can you just pm me anytime theirs a big event the address. Like seriously you always come through with that

Tried to give you rep but I really have only ever given it to you and 3 other ppl so It didn't go through. My rep don't mean sh!t anyway though

[Qwyjibo]

sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/24267

This one is working well. Not the greatest video quality but it's smooth.

This site rarely fails:
http://myp2p.eu/index.php?part=sports

[Manute for Ever!]

About to go to the pub and watch it

[Jackass18]

Rumble better not lose.

[Rocker09]

Anthony Jonhson!!!!!!!!! That was fast

[simcjt]

Anthony Jonhson!!!!!!!!! That was fast
Those hits were beast .. Damn so humble too

[Rocker09]

Those hits were beast .. Damn so humble too

He should move up in weight class...He's too big & too powerfull at welterweight...

[Eldrunko247]

I hate Joe daddy. Most boring one dimensional fighter ever.

[simcjt]

He should move up in weight class...He's too big & too powerfull at welterweight...
He should but i think he is trying to round out his techniques first

[Eldrunko247]

He should move up in weight class...He's too big & too powerfull at welterweight...
He hasn't even beaten the best at 170. He would get eaten alive at 185.

[Rocker09]

Great finish by joe stevenson

[simcjt]

Seeing Chris Tucker with gray hair makes me feel old ...

[Eldrunko247]

Seeing Chris Tucker with gray hair makes me feel old ...
CT just let himself go. He's fat and hasn't done anything since Rush Hour.

[sergiorodriguez]

damn that Joe Daddy guy talking about his sisters forcibly applying makeup on hisself:roll:

[sirkeelma]

Shogun has the power to take out Machida. He certainly is not totally outclassed like many people believe. But his cardio looked horrible against Griffin. Although i have heard his cardio is at its best now. Shogun is certainly a better matchup than Rashad Evans.

That being said, I believe Machida still outclasses him and will win via KO 2nd or 3rd round. Machida is the master at counter attacks and fights well against aggressive fighters. Shogun is an aggressive fighter and I expect Machida to catch him. He is one of my favorite fighters. I am scheduled to be on a production shoot for an interview early next week so I am really hoping he wins.

I agree with this one. I remember the Shogun VS Coleman fight both have poor cardio. Championship is a five 5 min. round, i dont think Shogun has a chance, unless he can KO Machida in the first 3 rounds.

[Eldrunko247]

What a weak card

[Jackass18]

Okami looked bad and is never going to get a title shot now.

[simcjt]

What a weak card
Could be worse, UFC 105 is going to be completely free cause of how bad that card is

[Jackass18]

This card hasn't been weak and 105 is a pretty damn good card for a free event.

[Eldrunko247]

This card hasn't been weak and 105 is a pretty damn good card for a free event.
In your opinion it hasn't been weak. Been a snorefest for me. Fights haven't been competitive and the technicality has been piss poor. A bunch of sloppy weak lopsided fights tonight.

[The_Walrus]

That sopcats link for MMA-TV is not working for me.
It loads completly but I still got a black screen and no sound, can anyone help a brotehr out? :confusedshrug:

EDIT: It worked, just took a little bit longer than usual to load.

[Eldrunko247]

shut up goldie..fckn extra annoying tonight

[simcjt]

:roll: I lowered my window for the fight I had open and left my room. came back to the whole if your watching this illegally your going to be sued.

[sergiorodriguez]

they're booing because it was a bad fight where no damage was dealt

[Jackass18]

2 judges gave the third to Tibau? ****, judging in the UFC is all kinds of retarded.

[Jackass18]

They were booing because Tibau was looking to outpoint Neer with nothing but takedowns.

[PistolPete]

What song did Rothwell just come out to??

[Eldrunko247]

link? sht just went out

[The Italian]

Anybody have a link? I got home about an hour into the event as I forgot it was tonight so I didn't feel like ordering it.

ATDHE doesn't seem to be loading for me for some reason so if anybody has a link I would appreciate it.

Also, how have the fights been so far?

[Eldrunko247]

Anybody have a link? I got home about an hour into the event as I forgot it was tonight so I didn't feel like ordering it.

ATDHE doesn't seem to be loading for me for some reason so if anybody has a link I would appreciate it.

Also, how have the fights been so far?
http://p2p4u.net/watch-live-sports.php?id=7061&link=1

[simcjt]

ATDHE is working for me

[simcjt]

Cain is whipping that ass

[sergiorodriguez]

is this rockwell guy a can they threw in to raise Velazques record? I dont know alot about UFC at all so dont jump on me if Ben Rockwell is like some legend in the prime of his career but he seems like an old guy past his prime matched up against this young guy they are hyping up. Weak weak stoppage either way. Bad card so far, glad I didnt pay for it

[Jackass18]

Velasquez is a ****ing monster. Stopped a little early, but Rothwell was going to keep getting killed.

[Jackass18]

No, he's not a can. He was 30-6 and won 14 of his last 15 fights. Rothwell certainly isn't a legend, but he's a top 20 HW.

If you didn't pay for it, then stop crying about it. It's not even a bad card.

[sergiorodriguez]

No, he's not a can. He was 30-6 and won 14 of his last 15 fights.

If you didn't pay for it, then stop crying about it. It's not even a bad card.
the fights have been bad even if the card is supposedly strong. Hopefully the main event changes things

[ihatetimthomas]

http://p2p4u.net/watch-live-sports.php?id=7061&link=1

Thanks for the link bro

[Jackass18]

This isn't a strong card, but the fights haven't been that bad.

[1987_Lakers]

I need a link.:banghead:

[ihatetimthomas]

I need a link.:banghead:

el drunko posted a link thats working for me on page 5

[simcjt]

I need a link.:banghead:
http://www.atdhe.net/5282/watch-ufc-104

[ihatetimthomas]

LETS GO MACHIDA! :rockon:

[Eldrunko247]

Thanks for the link bro
rep appreciated..more green things make me feel special

[simcjt]

Does he always come out with linkin park?

[1987_Lakers]

el drunko posted a link thats working for me on page 5

It isn't working for me.

[ihatetimthomas]

Does he always come out with linkin park?

he has his past few fights

[ihatetimthomas]

rep appreciated..more green things make me feel special

done

[1987_Lakers]

Found a link

http://mmaenespaol.forumcommunity.net/

[sergiorodriguez]

**** this **** atdhe link went out right when they were introducing shogun in the octogon!!!

[1987_Lakers]

CLICK HERE!!!

http://mmaenespaol.forumcommunity.net/

[ihatetimthomas]

**** this **** atdhe link went out right when they were introducing shogun in the octogon!!!

use 1987 lakers link, it works

[ihatetimthomas]

Shogun using some nice kicks

[Eldrunko247]

Get em SHOGUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

[ihatetimthomas]

Shogun wont be this patient for long...Machida will catch him

[ihatetimthomas]

Machida's take down defense is phenomenal

[IcanzIIravor]

Love Shoguns strategy against the cage.

[ihatetimthomas]

Shogun is doing great, he has a very good gameplan

[sergiorodriguez]

wow good fight so far GO SHOGUN!!!

[IcanzIIravor]

Machida's take down defense is phenomenal

Agree. Just no way to get him down in a cage.

[sergiorodriguez]

CLICK HERE!!!

http://mmaenespaol.forumcommunity.net/
thanks man i owe you my life

[ihatetimthomas]

Every round that goes on, Machida gains the edge

[RandomBalla55]

Every round that goes on, Machida gains the edge

Really?

Machida looks like he's tired and getting worn out by those body kicks.

[IcanzIIravor]

Every round that goes on, Machida gains the edge

?

Seems pretty even to me. What edge?

[1987_Lakers]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

THEY JUST TOOK DOWN THE STREAM!!!!:rant

[sergiorodriguez]

Every round that goes on, Machida gains the edge
machida's getting worn down by all those hard kicks hes taking lol what r u talking ab out

[IcanzIIravor]

machida's getting worn down by all those hard kicks hes taking lol what r u talking ab out

Machida stole the round with that flurry.

[simcjt]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

THEY JUST TOOK DOWN THE STREAM!!!!:rant
:roll: I know, I switched back to sopcast. It has a minor delay in time.

Omg they just started wailling on each other

[ihatetimthomas]

?

Seems pretty even to me. What edge?

I think the later rounds favor Machida. I dont trust Shoguns cardio. But right now, Shogun looks good

[RandomBalla55]

:roll: I know, I switched back to sopcast. It has a delay in time.

Omg they just started wailling on each other

What channel in sopcast?

[sergiorodriguez]

http://Live-UFC104-Machida-vs-Shogun-plus-Velasquez-vs-Rothwell.channelsoccer.com/

[bdreason]

I respect Machidas skill... but his backpeddling style is annoying as fukc.

I'm all for being elusive, and parrying opponents... but you have to return fire.

[thejumpa]

What's the sopcast link? This **** is goin on like 15 minutes from me and I didn't even know it...

[simcjt]

thanks to Mikaiel
sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/24267

[IcanzIIravor]

Machida isn't human when it comes to take downs.

[simcjt]

That hold was umm .... awkward to watch

[IcanzIIravor]

That hold was umm .... awkward to watch

:lol

I was thinking the same thing. Shogus could have rubbed one off.

[thejumpa]

good lookin out simcjt

[ihatetimthomas]

This is Shoguns title unless Machida knocks out

[IcanzIIravor]

This is Shoguns title unless Machida knocks out

I think Machida keeps it barring Shogun getting in good shots. From watching so far I don't think they take it from Machida.

[RandomBalla55]

Lyoto looks flat out gassed, tired, and mentally and physically broken. He's not used to getting hit and now not only is Shogun hitting him, he's hitting him hard.

This is the ****ing Shogun that people thought would come in here and dominate the LHW division.

If they take this decision from Shogun it would be complete bullshyt.

[Jackass18]

Joe and Goldy are overstating everything Shogun does and understating everything Machida does.

[simcjt]

good lookin out simcjt
Credit is all Mikaiel, hit him up for rep on page 3 if you want. Dude is so dependable with the sopcast addresses

[ihatetimthomas]

Machida's style is not good for coming back in fights

[IcanzIIravor]

Joe and Goldy are overstating everything Shogun does and understating everything Machida does.

Early on they were sucking Machida no matter what he did.

[RandomBalla55]

Machida's style is not good for coming back in fights

Of course not.

Nobody thought that anyone could outpoint Lyoto.. but Shogun is right now.

[bdreason]

Joe and Goldy are overstating everything Shogun does and understating everything Machida does.

That's because Dana doesn't want Machida to hold the belt... because he's generally a 'boring' counterstriker.


I really hope Rua can pull it off... because Machida is the type of guy what will fight to not lose his belt, rather than fight to finish his opponent.

[Story Up]

Oh god typical sheep theory. Am I the only one that`s not listening to the broadcasters hype of Shogun

[simcjt]

Damn two really good knees but he is to hurt/tired to follow through

[Eldrunko247]

Your New Champ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bigkingsfan]

LOL @ machida and the late arm raise.

[simcjt]

LOL @ machida and the late arm raise.
Didn't want to look completely disappointed

[ihatetimthomas]

:eek:

[RandomBalla55]

That's because Dana doesn't want Machida to hold the belt... because he's generally a 'boring' counterstriker.


I really hope Rua can pull it off... because Machida is the type of guy what will fight to not lose his belt, rather than fight to finish his opponent.

No.

Lyoto was exciting as **** after 94 // 98 and Dana praised him, saying that once he got comfortable finished guys, that Lyoto would be king.

Nothing wrong with Shogun being champ either.

[Eldrunko247]

Fckn Bullshtt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111111111

[IcanzIIravor]

[QUOTE=Story Up]Oh god typical sheep theory. Am I the only one that`s not listening to the broadcasters hype of Shogun

[sergiorodriguez]

fights over?

[Jackass18]

The last 2 rounds did Machida in.

[simcjt]

Your New Champ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:roll:

[ihatetimthomas]

Certainly it shouldnt have been unanimous. But he got in a lot of counter punches and hits. Shogun's leg kicks stand out, but it was closer than it looked

[RandomBalla55]

WHAT THE ****?

I am so sorry Shogun. **** that.

[thejumpa]

Wow.....looked like Shogun won...

[IcanzIIravor]

Rogan is a fckn idiot.

Asking Machida if he agreed with the decision. :oldlol:

[Story Up]

Machida is the winner in my book, only reason people are picking Shogun was because Machida did not look as dominant as we all predicted he`d be. He seemed human and Shogun did win a couple of rounds.

Lyota landed a lot more damaging blows, IMO, that could have easily knocked Shogun out. In the rematch Machida will knock him out, watch.

[Mikaiel]

WTF ? :rant :rant :rant :rant :rant :rant :rant :rant :rant

[bigkingsfan]

There has to be some politics involved in that decision. :ohwell:

[IcanzIIravor]

Certainly it shouldnt have been unanimous. But he got in a lot of counter punches and hits. Shogun's leg kicks stand out, but it was closer than it looked

It was even so I knew Machida would retain the title. I hope there is an immediate rematch.

[RandomBalla55]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

**** that. Shogun is my LHW champion and the new #1 LHW.

[elinss86]

wow...huh? rematch...NOW!! haha

[ihatetimthomas]

Typical sheep? Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean they are sheep. Machida had moments, but he could have done a lot more. I think he keeps the belt because he had his wheels on and picked and chose when to be aggressive. I hope there is a rematch.

Yea, he wasnt the aggressor, but he got in clean shots that went unnoticed bc of the strength of Shogun's kicks. This was a great fight, there certainly will be a re-match given how close

[sergiorodriguez]

omg what was the decision? They gave it to Machida?

[simcjt]

I want Dana to say it will happen right now

[bdreason]

And so begins the long reign of boring Machida title defenses.

I would never pay for a Machida headlined card.

[Jackass18]

Well, the commentators' crappy commentating will sway many people into thinking Shogun won the fight without a problem. I disagree and thought it was a hell of a lot closer than what the idiot Goldy was trying to act like. I mean Jesus, "Awesome leg kick!!!" when Shogun didn't even land it.

Great, now I'm going to have to listen to Pride fanboys cry nonstop.

[Positive]

wow... that was a good fight, but I really think there's no way Machida won that.

[IcanzIIravor]

Yea, he wasnt the aggressor, but he got in clean shots that went unnoticed bc of the strength of Shogun's kicks. This was a great fight, there certainly will be a re-match given how close

I agree. He did enough that Shogun was not going to get the win without more noticeable damage behind the kicks. I actually think the late flurry in the 3rd round is what got the win for Machida. There better be an immediate rematch since it was so close.

[Mikaiel]

omg what was the decision? They gave it to Machida?

Yeah. Unanimous decision. WTF ? Are they retarded or something ? :banghead:

[Eldrunko247]

Well, the commentators' crappy commentating will sway many people into thinking Shogun won the fight without a problem. I disagree and thought it was a hell of a lot closer than what the idiot Goldy was trying to act like. I mean Jesus, "Awesome leg kick!!!" when Shogun didn't even land it.
Shogun kicked unibrow piss boy's ass. It was a bs decision.

[RandomBalla55]

I thought it was a clean 49-46 or MAYBE even 50-45.

No ****ing way.

[ihatetimthomas]

Well, the commentators' crappy commentating will sway many people into thinking Shogun won the fight without a problem. I disagree and thought it was a hell of a lot closer than what the idiot Goldy was trying to act like. I mean Jesus, "Awesome leg kick!!!" when Shogun didn't even land it.

Yea these commentators are so fickle. They were slurping Machida up before the fight but when Shogun started connecting on a few leg shots, they were riding his nuts. Joe would point out every leg kick Shogun did, but never the counter Machida did

[bdreason]

No.

Lyoto was exciting as **** after 94 // 98 and Dana praised him, saying that once he got comfortable finished guys, that Lyoto would be king.

Nothing wrong with Shogun being champ either.


Please, Dana made Machida wait an extra YEAR to get a title shot, praying Machida would eventually lose.

Machida isn't good for business. Nobody wants to see his next fight... to watch him backpeddle and outpoint his opponent.

[Pistol Pete]

That was a 49-46 fight, worst decision in UFC history, rivaling the Michael Bisping in England fight, I feel so sad for Shogun, he got absolutely robbed, that wasn't even close.

[Story Up]

Yea, he wasnt the aggressor, but he got in clean shots that went unnoticed bc of the strength of Shogun's kicks. This was a great fight, there certainly will be a re-match given how close

It wasn`t, it was a scripted fight for both fighters, IMO. Shogun did his routine over and over again, there was nothing impressive about either fighters to me. The two or three times where Shogun went for the punch, and Machida connected a huge knee to his mid section; I thought would end the fight but Shogun kept going. The fight in general was bad, I expected it to be more exciting. Shogun`s had a brilliant strategy that made this fight really boring, of course, I don`t blame him for keeping his distance and using primarily his legs kicks to counter Lyota.

But in the rematch, I think Lyota will adjust his game plan. Those boo`s will be on his mind until his next fight and I`m sure he`ll come back with a vengeance. I give credit to Shogun, I honestly thought Machida was the deserving winner; I think the fact it was a really close fight is the reason people are picking the underdog.

[beasly15]

jesus christ. i lost the feed and couldn't see the last rounds. by the way it looks by the posts it's rampage/griffin again. i can't believe it. i have to see this whole fight. i doubted shogun but he looked good the first two rounds and took it to Dr.elusive. he wasn't scared like everybody else. much respect to shogun.

machida, you dissappoint me.

[fatboy11]

Shogun was robbed.

There's really no two ways about. Machida won maybe 2 rounds. Tops. I'm not a huge fan of either, but Shogun got hosed. This was way, way worse than the Henderson/Cerrone decision.

[Mikaiel]

For everyone who complained about dead links --> Use Sopcast. Every other stream can go down. Justin.tv, ustream, etc ... They all go down at some point. Sopcast links don't.


also anderson silva is gonna knock out all the judges in the parking lot
he wanted that title shot against shogon

No. Even if Shogun had won, he wouldn't have fought him. Because if he wins that fight, then Machida can't compete for the title ...

[sergiorodriguez]

Yeah. Unanimous decision. WTF ? Are they retarded or something ? :banghead:
unanimous? Dana White must be behind this

[Pistol Pete]

I don't even understand how you could possibly call that 48-47, that was complete domination.

[Story Up]

That was a 49-46 fight, worst decision in UFC history, rivaling the Michael Bisping in England fight, I feel so sad for Shogun, he got absolutely robbed, that wasn't even close.

I guess the announcers aren`t the only ones that need to get glasses. Fifty percent of Shogun`s leg kicks didn`t even connect and they praised the damage he supposedly inflicted on Machida. Every time Machida would land a devestating kick or counter knee; they`d be silent and wait until Shogun does something. The only time I heard them praise Machida was when Shogun went inside and Lyota nailed him in the mid section with a brutal knee.

I agree with Jackass, announcers definitely influenced some of your opinions on the fight. The fight was very close and Machida deserved the benefit of the doubt since he is the champion, he was no where near the aggressor but he inflicted just as much damage if not more.

I got really tired of hearing the announcers say how bruised up Machida`s ribs were, it seemed to me like the Rocky movie when he fought the Russian;and Machida was Rocky.

[ErhnamDjinn]

my gawd wtf did i just watch robbery to the highest degree Cecil peoples is a true crook how the f@## can you score a unanimous decision there.

[sergiorodriguez]

Yea these commentators are so fickle. They were slurping Machida up before the fight but when Shogun started connecting on a few leg shots, they were riding his nuts. Joe would point out every leg kick Shogun did, but never the counter Machida did
are you serious most of machida's counters barely connected if at all thats why the announcers never brought up machida's counters

[Mikaiel]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyoto_Machida


Win 16-0 Brazil Mauricio Rua Decision (fixed fight)

:oldlol: :ohwell:

[bdreason]

I guess the announcers aren`t the only ones that need to get glasses. Fifty percent of Shogun`s leg kicks didn`t even connect and they praised the damage he supposedly inflicted on Machida. Every time Machida would land a devestating kick or counter knee; they`d be silent and wait until Shogun does something. The only time I heard them praise Machida was when Shogun went inside and Lyota nailed him in the mid section with a brutal knee.

I agree with Jackass, announcers definitely influenced some of your opinions on the fight. The fight was very close and Machida deserved the benefit of the doubt since he is the champion, he was no where near the aggressor but he inflicted just as much damage if not more.

I got really tired of hearing the announcers say how bruised up Machida`s ribs were, it seemed to me like the Rocky movie when he fought the Russian;and Machida was Rocky.


And that's the problem with the UFC scoring; it doesn't award aggression.

In Pride FC, if a fight was close, the fighter who was the aggressor, and attempted to finish the fight, would get the decision.

In the UFC, it's all about who can throw the most phantom punches, and get the most takedowns.

[Pistol Pete]

I guess the announcers aren`t the only ones that need to get glasses. Fifty percent of Shogun`s leg kicks didn`t even connect and they praised the damage he supposedly inflicted on Machida. Every time Machida would land a devestating kick or counter knee; they`d be silent and wait until Shogun does something. The only time I heard them praise Machida was when Shogun went inside and Lyota nailed him in the mid section with a brutal knee.

I agree with Jackass, announcers definitely influenced some of your opinions on the fight. The fight was very close and Machida deserved the benefit of the doubt since he is the champion, he was no where near the aggressor but he inflicted just as much damage if not more.

I got really tired of hearing the announcers say how bruised up Machida`s ribs were, it seemed to me like the Rocky movie when he fought the Russian;and Machida was Rocky.

I wasn't even listening to the announcers, I was sitting in a room of people with my laptop on mute, it seemed Shogun was landing every meaningful strike, controlling the pace, pushing Machida, chasing him down, I just don't see how you could argue that at all. At some point, Machida has to land offense on Shogun and I never saw much of anything from him, he got completely outclasses, I expect an immediate rematch is coming because that decision was a joke, to think otherwise is completely incorrect.

[fatboy11]

I guess the announcers aren`t the only ones that need to get glasses. Fifty percent of Shogun`s leg kicks didn`t even connect and they praised the damage he supposedly inflicted on Machida. Every time Machida would land a devestating kick or counter knee; they`d be silent and wait until Shogun does something. The only time I heard them praise Machida was when Shogun went inside and Lyota nailed him in the mid section with a brutal knee.

I agree with Jackass, announcers definitely influenced some of your opinions on the fight. The fight was very close and Machida deserved the benefit of the doubt since he is the champion, he was no where near the aggressor but he inflicted just as much damage if not more.

I got really tired of hearing the announcers say how bruised up Machida`s ribs were, it seemed to me like the Rocky movie when he fought the Russian;and Machida was Rocky.Please.

We were all laughing at how ridiculously biased Rogan was towards Shogun, but OUR EYES showed us that Shogun was winning that fight, and should have won that fight. It wasn't even close. I repeat, that fight was not even close.

[Jackass18]

I thought it was a clean 49-46 or MAYBE even 50-45.

No ****ing way.

Were you that swayed by the commentating? Maybe 50-45? No ****ing way. I thought Shogun eked out a win, but it was close enough that a draw wouldn't have been a bad call. Shogun didn't really deserve the title shot in the first place, but he earned a rematch.

[ihatetimthomas]

I guess the announcers aren`t the only ones that need to get glasses. Fifty percent of Shogun`s leg kicks didn`t even connect and they praised the damage he supposedly inflicted on Machida. Every time Machida would land a devestating kick or counter knee; they`d be silent and wait until Shogun does something. The only time I heard them praise Machida was when Shogun went inside and Lyota nailed him in the mid section with a brutal knee.

I agree with Jackass, announcers definitely influenced some of your opinions on the fight. The fight was very close and Machida deserved the benefit of the doubt since he is the champion, he was no where near the aggressor but he inflicted just as much damage if not more.

I got really tired of hearing the announcers say how bruised up Machida`s ribs were, it seemed to me like the Rocky movie when he fought the Russian;and Machida was Rocky.

Yea, even my judgment was clouded bc of the announcers. I thought Shogun got 3/5 rounds but it was because of Joes constant credit to his kicks and his non credit to Machidas conters. In my opinion, it was close and it couldve gone either way. Shogun lost a tough decision, but he wasnt robbed. I am honestly going to need to re-watch this one to see everything. The live streaming wasnt clear enough in some spots

[lakers_forever]

Machida deserves to keep the belt.
To beat the champ by decision, you got to have a much more dominant fight. Shogun hurt Machida's legs al fight long, but the most hard strikes were from Machida's knees and punch combinations. BTW, his takedown defense is out of the world. I think being a sumo champion helps him. :D

[Eldrunko247]

Yea, even my judgment was clouded bc of the announcers. I thought Shogun got 3/5 rounds but it was because of Joes constant credit to his kicks and his non credit to Machidas conters. In my opinion, it was close and it couldve gone either way. Shogun lost a tough decision, but he wasnt robbed
He was fckn robbed ala Btchbing/Hamill.


Machida deserves to keep the belt.
To beat the champ by decision, you got to have a much more dominant fight. Shogun hurt Machida's legs al fight long, but the most hard strikes were from Machida's knees and punch combinations. BTW, his takedown defense is out of the world. I think being a sumo champion helps him. :D
Garbage.. he clearly beat the "piss" out of Machida. He dominated him.

[ErhnamDjinn]

And that's the problem with the UFC scoring; it doesn't award aggression.

In Pride FC, if a fight was close, the fighter who was the aggressor, and attempted to finish the fight, would get the decision.

In the UFC, it's all about who can throw the most phantom punches, and get the most takedowns.
^^^ and UFC awards wrestlers, wtf Machida was running the whole fight, took the most damage, busted ribs, legs, cut in the face, wins a unanimous decision ona couple of running away shots:confusedshrug:

[bdreason]

Machida deserves to keep the belt.
To beat the champ by decision, you got to have a much more dominant fight. Shogun hurt Machida's legs al fight long, but the most hard strikes were from Machida's knees and punch combinations. BTW, his takedown defense is out of the world. I think being a sumo champion helps him. :D


If that's the case, then Machida will never lose. He can just backpeddle (run) the whole fight and turn it into a Karate points compeition.

Being the Champion shouldn't grant you any inherent advantage. If it's a close fight, the aggressor (fighter attempting to finish the fight) should be rewarded the fight, period.

[Mikaiel]

I'll watch that fight again tommorow, but until then, no one can convince me Shogun wasn't robbed. :rant :rant :rant

[sergiorodriguez]

Machida was never a sumo champion, he just trained for a few years at sumo

[deion2123]

shogun won maybe 48-47..no way he won all the rounds

[ihatetimthomas]

I'm just happy Machida won bc I am going on a video shoot next week to interview Machida...wouldnt have been as interesting if he lost and I am not even sure he would want to do the interview if he lost

[Eldrunko247]

shogun won maybe 48-47..no way he won all the rounds
He arguably won all the rounds. That's the point. How da fck did unibrow get a unanimous?

[fatboy11]

I would like to know what Machida did to win enough rounds to win that fight. Honestly, someone tell me. I think he won the 3rd round. That's the only round that I can think of him winning.

Shogun landed more strikes. That's going to be proven to be fact. He did more damage. He controlled the octagon throughout the fight. He won that ****ing fight. No, it wasn't even close. Watch it with the sound on, off, it doesn't matter. Shogun was straight robbed.

[Eldrunko247]

I'm just happy Machida won bc I am going on a video shoot next week to interview Machida...wouldnt have been as interesting if he lost and I am not even sure he would want to do the interview if he lost
Be sure to ask him how it feels to be a "paper champion".

[sergiorodriguez]

I'm just happy Machida won bc I am going on a video shoot next week to interview Machida...wouldnt have been as interesting if he lost and I am not even sure he would want to do the interview if he lost
be sure to ask him what he thought of the judges decision and if he personally feels he was beaten by Shogun

[ihatetimthomas]

be sure to ask him what he thought of the judges decision and if he personally feels he was beaten by Shogun

lol, I really would like to ask him..but I dont come up w/ the questions. This interview is to help promote Lyoto, I dont think we will ask questions to make him look bad. But this fight will certainly be discussed

[sergiorodriguez]

I didnt see it the link went out, but what did Machida and Shogun's face look like when they announced the winner? Were they both faces of disbelief?

[Eldrunko247]

be sure to ask him what he thought of the judges decision and if he personally feels he was beaten by Shogun
He already answered that question with an evasive answer.

[Pistol Pete]

This is honestly laughable, can we create a new belt to award to Shogun, Machida being the champion is a complete joke now, good luck hyping him as a great champion when he got absolutely dominated tonight, Shogun should walk out with a replica UFC belt to his next fight just to make the statement that he is indeed the #1 205 lb fighter in the world.

That was an absolute joke, makes you wonder about fights being rigged on the judges score card, was the fix in, 48-47, are you kidding me?

[Pistol Pete]

I didnt see it the link went out, but what did Machida and Shogun's face look like when they announced the winner? Were they both faces of disbelief?

Shogun immediately walked out of the camera's view to his left (towards his corner), while Machida looked like he should have, as if he had just stolen a championship belt that he didn't deserve.

[Eldrunko247]

I'm so pissed..Wtf? Biggest BS decision in UFC history and there's been some bad ones.

[IcanzIIravor]

I didnt see it the link went out, but what did Machida and Shogun's face look like when they announced the winner? Were they both faces of disbelief?

Machido thought he lost and Shogun thought he won. Can tell by the belated raising of Machida's hands as well as what he said when idiot Rogan interviewed him. I said earlier in the thread that if it continued the way it was going that they would give it to Machida. I would like an immediate rematch as I think both fighters would fight a lot differently.

[Mikaiel]

Biggest BS decision in UFC history

I agree. This is not good for the UFC. What a joke. I'm glad I didn't pay for this ****.

[sergiorodriguez]

what a joke of an organization, Machida has all those stateside fans so of course its obvious the fix was in, they probably matched him up against Shogun in the first place, who did nothing to earn a title fight, because they assumed Machida would be able to take care of him pretty easy.

Shogun was my favorite fighter over in Pride, I watched his 2005 title fight, and I just watched what should have been his UFC title fight

[Positive]

This is honestly laughable, can we create a new belt to award to Shogun, Machida being the champion is a complete joke now, good luck hyping him as a great champion when he got absolutely dominated tonight, Shogun should walk out with a replica UFC belt to his next fight just to make the statement that he is indeed the #1 205 lb fighter in the world.

That was an absolute joke, makes you wonder about fights being rigged on the judges score card, was the fix in, 48-47, are you kidding me?

I thought the same thing, but I looked it up and the UFC has no bearing on the judges. The judges come from the state's athletic commission.

[-M-I]

Even the fans turned on Machida toward the end of the match. What a bullsh*t decision

[sergiorodriguez]

I thought the same thing, but I looked it up and the UFC has no bearing on the judges. The judges come from the state's athletic commission.
I've never heard of a state official being payed off before in my life

[Positive]

I've never heard of a state official being payed off before in my life


Yeah sure, but it certainly makes them rigging the fight seem less likely...

[Eldrunko247]

I thought the same thing, but I looked it up and the UFC has no bearing on the judges. The judges come from the state's athletic commission.
False. They have a heavy hand in what happens. Just look at the ref situation. Big John never judged for any other org while he was working for the UFC. He has never judged for the UFC since he bad mouthed Dana and the UFC and jumped on Afflictions sucken bandwagon. Also, the Bisping dec is proof positive the UFC has a hand in these things. It's like the NBA where we know there's BS going on. Anyone who doesn't realize this is a fool.

[bdreason]

I thought the same thing, but I looked it up and the UFC has no bearing on the judges. The judges come from the state's athletic commission.


And Boxing promoters have no bearing on judges or refs either... c'mon bro.

The UFC brings the most money in for both the CSAC and NSAC; they are the commissions best customers. Lorenzo Fertitta (UFC owner) used to work for the NSAC for christ sakes.

I'm not a conspiracy theory type guy, and I don't think this fight was fixed... but I'm also not dumb enough to think the UFC can't influence Atheltic Commissions.

[beasly15]

ufc 104 =http://www.photos-screensaver-maker.com/screen/images/scr-fish.jpg

rothwell took too many shots, maybe that's just me but yea he's a tough dude but it was over in round 1 not round 2.

[Positive]

alright, you guys are probably right. I was just hoping for a reason to believe that it really wasn't as bad as I thought it was.

[Jackass18]

A fix? Jesus, some of you are going way overboard with that nonsense. This fight does a good job showing perception of a fight. The commentators were heavily biased in Shogun's favor, and Machida didn't do a whole lot in the last 2 rounds, so some might get the sense that Shogun ran away with the fight. People are acting like Shogun was ultra-aggressive in this fight which is even more nonsense. He was rather patient. A fix? Oh, so they paid off a bunch of people but forgot to tell Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg? If there was a fix, then why were they so biased in Shogun's favor? Why would they even fix the fight for Machida? "If this fight happens to go all 5 rounds, then make sure Machida wins because, well, he's such a big money maker for us!"

[Eldrunko247]

A fix? Jesus, some of you are going way overboard with that nonsense. This fight does a good job showing perception of a fight. The commentators were heavily biased in Shogun's favor, and Machida didn't do a whole lost in the last 2 rounds, so some might get the sense that Shogun ran away with the fight. People are acting like Shogun was ultra-aggressive in this fight which is even more nonsense. He was rather patient. A fix? Oh, so they paid off a bunch of people but forgot to tell Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg? If there was a fix, then why were they so biased in Shogun's favor? Why would they even fix the fight for Machida? "If this fight happens to go all 5 rounds, then make sure Machida wins because, well, he's such a big money maker for us!"
Controversial decisions equal big hype payday rematches. Heavily biased? Machida was a huge favorite going into the fight.

[fatboy11]

I don't see any reason why the UFC would want to go out of their way to give Lyoto the win. I just think it was an awful, awful decision.

[Jackass18]

You're talking about the deepest division in the UFC. Couture just dropped back to LHW, Ortiz is making his return soon and I think Liddell also went back to training. Why would they risk fixing this fight when the payoff wouldn't be close to other possible fights? They could hype an Anderson Silva/Shogun fight more than a rematch between Machida and Shogun. If there's a division that doesn't need any controversy to hype it up it would be LHW.

[batneg12]

Shogun kicked unibrow piss boy's ass. It was a bs decision.

This.

Even the crowd at Staples who hadn't heard the 'biased' commentary boo'd when the decision was announced. So no, commentary did not influence everyone saying Rua was robbed. It's the truth and that's that. Shogun's the real champ in my book.

[Rocker09]

This is the reason why if you really want to win, you gotta KO or make your opponent tap(the KO part applies to boxing as well)...............

[sergiorodriguez]

This is the reason why if you really want to win, you gotta KO or make your opponent tap(the KO part applies to boxing as well)...............
...unless your name is Lyoto Machida

[Eldrunko247]

...unless your name is Lyoto MaCHEETAH
Fixed

What's the fastes animal in the world?



A "Cheetah". Get it "cheater" :oldlol:

[sergiorodriguez]

Lyoto Macheater works better lol

[Eldrunko247]

Yo Lyoto Macheater, I'm really happy for you. I'm gonna let you finish, but Shogun is still the best light heavyweight fighter in the UFC.
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9863/kanyetaylor.jpg

[Rocker09]

Yo Lyoto Macheater, I'm really happy for you. I'm gonna let you finish, but Shogun is still the best light heavyweight fighter in the UFC.
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9863/kanyetaylor.jpg

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[IcanzIIravor]

This is the reason why if you really want to win, you gotta KO or make your opponent tap(the KO part applies to boxing as well)...............

Can't KO if the dude is on the go and barely counter punches. Machida had plenty of chances to take advantage of Shogun when he got sloppy and refused to engage. The few times he went on the offensive he had some success. He only one because of the lame 'You have to take the title from the champ' nonsense. Shogun did more than enough. It wasn't an outright robbery, but it's harder to see how Machida won than how Shogun should have won.

[sergiorodriguez]

this is what my machida fan buddy just wrote me on facebook


Well. Machida was the aggressor, +points, Rua went for take-downs that Machida defended, +points. Machida went for strikes that could possibly finish the fight, +points.

I cant believe he was watching the same fight I was

[Eldrunko247]

- The audience was largely in favor of Machida before the fight. After the decision was announced, the only thing you could hear was boos, boos and more boos.

- Rogan and Goldberg gave the fight to Shogun.




What about Dana White?

Dana White had Shogun winning, how the judges scored

credit: karatelarusso


MMA journalists and websites

FightMetric: 49-47 Rua
Yahoo Sports / Cagewriter: 48-47 Rua
BloodyElbow : 48-47 Rua
USAToday: 48-47 Rua, 49-46 Rua
MMA Fanhouse / Michael David Smith: 48-47 Rua
MMATorch : 48-47 Rua
MMAJunkie : 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMAMania : 50-45 Rua
5 Ounces of Pain : Rua (no score given)
Fightlinker -- Rua (no score given)
ProMMA.Info: 50-45 Rua
Sherdog:
Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Rua
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 Rua
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Rua

credit: dystemper



Fight Metric stats:

http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/gingerpuss/fight_metric.jpg

link: Machida-Shogun




Sherdog forum poll:

http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/gingerpuss/poll.jpg

link: **EVERYONE WHO THINKS SHOGUN WILL BEAT MACHIDA** sign names here




ESPN website right after fight:

http://fansided.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/decisionufc104.png

credit: BlueNote



Three corrupt or incompetent judges at the Staples Center: Machida by unanimous decision.




^^
ONE OF THE WORST ROBBERIES IN MMA HISTORY

[MarloStanfield]

i missed the fights. about to watch the replays. i knew shogun had it in him to beat machida. these two are the top LHW fighters in the world. 4 years ago shogun who is only 27 now, was widely regarded as the best P4P fighter on the planet. i know that's before most of you were watching MMA but i'm glad he was able to showcase why everyone was once so high on him.

will check back in after the fights but cain velasquez and shogun are more than capable of donning UFC gold.

PS - Okami lost to Chael Sonnen?? Was Okami fighting injured?

[Jackass18]

The first 3 rounds were close enough that they could have gone either way. Look how they scored it (none were unanimous):

Round 1
Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Machida
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 Rua
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Rua

Round 2
Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Machida
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 Machida
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Rua

Round 3
Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Rua
Brian Knapp scores the round 10-9 Machida
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Rua

Fightmetric had it fairly close. Look what they had the Bisping/Hammil fight at: 335-229. It wasn't near the robbery as Bisping/Hamill was. Maybe they'll finally do something about the scoring system, but I doubt it.

[Jackass18]

Okami just didn't look very good.

It's unfortunate that the controversial ME overshadowed how great Velasquez looked in his fight. Nobody is going to be talking about him.

[MarloStanfield]

Okami just didn't look very good.

It's unfortunate that the controversial ME overshadowed how great Velasquez looked in his fight. Nobody is going to be talking about him.
watching replays now. cain velasquez is a freak they give him a few more fights before he fights brock or carwin. he's still green i a lot of areas but he's obviously a monster.

[IcanzIIravor]

this is what my machida fan buddy just wrote me on facebook



I cant believe he was watching the same fight I was

Your friend obviously thought Shogun was Machida. That or he is smoking so bad stuff.

[MarloStanfield]

Oh my Goodness Cain Velasquez is a freaking MONSTER. This man will wear UFC Gold within the next 12 months. What an animal he could become an all-time great if he continues to evolve at this pace.

What a complete freak.

edit: that wasn't that bad of a stoppage but okay. Rothwell was going to get finished within that round...

[MarloStanfield]

here is ben rothwell fighting in what may be the worst fight ever. hes fighting in some hillbilly backwoods event vs some really fat kid that literally has never been in a fight before and how absolutely zero business fighting mma.

stay classy ben!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9r2GAAaiKs

[Jackass18]

Nobody else is watching Dream 12? Alvarez and Overeem are coming up...

[MarloStanfield]

Nobody else is watching Dream 12? Alvarez and Overeem are coming up...
link? who is alvarez fighting?

[MarloStanfield]

eddie might have just burned out of his arm.

kenzo FTW!

[Jackass18]

It's on HDNet. I'd love to see him in the UFC.

Thompson is going to get murdered.

[MarloStanfield]

It's on HDNet. I'd love to see him in the UFC.

Thompson is going to get murdered.
yeah i found it. eddie is the boss. kenzo's finest.

alistair is going to murder thompson.

[MarloStanfield]

what is this lame same alistair is coming out to?

"tonights going to be a good night...."

[Jackass18]

Thompson dug it, though he was probably just trying to enjoy himself as much as he could before getting his ass handed to him.

[Manute for Ever!]

I just got home and I haven't read the entire thread, so I just want to say Shogun was screwed, plain and simple.

[Mikaiel]

http://fightmetric.com/fights/Machida-Shogun.html

:rant :rant :rant

[PistolPete]

Machido thought he lost and Shogun thought he won. Can tell by the belated raising of Machida's hands as well as what he said when idiot Rogan interviewed him. I said earlier in the thread that if it continued the way it was going that they would give it to Machida. I would like an immediate rematch as I think both fighters would fight a lot differently.

People calling Machida a cheater need to calm the f*ck down and realize he knew he wasn't the better fighter last night. My only explanation is that the judges didn't see enough damage done to Machida by Rua to come to a decision for Rua. That Light Heavyweight belt switches hands so many times that perhaps some stability is needed. Face it, the fans, and the judges are looking for the KO when a belt is on the line.

[Manute for Ever!]

People calling Machida a cheater need to calm the f*ck down and realize he knew he wasn't the better fighter last night. My only explanation is that the judges didn't see enough damage done to Machida by Rua to come to a decision for Rua. That Light Heavyweight belt switches hands so many times that perhaps some stability is needed. Face it, the fans, and the judges are looking for the KO when a belt is on the line.

I think the judges saw the punches he threw, but didn't have the benefit of a replay to see how many really connected.
At the same time, I still don't know how that was unanimous, when they said it was a unanimous desision I was blown away when they said Machido. It really should have been a whitewash in favour of Shogun, but you can't pin that on Machido.

[Mikaiel]

My only explanation is that the judges didn't see enough damage done to Machida by Rua to come to a decision for Rua.

He could barely walk after the fight ...

[MarloStanfield]

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[beasly15]

dana is such a d*ck. he threw shogun in there because he whooped on his boy liddell thinking machida would destroy him, but even worse.. he (shogun) gets f*cked.

[MarloStanfield]

dana is such a d*ck. he threw shogun in there because he whooped on his boy liddell thinking machida would destroy him, but even worse.. he (shogun) gets f*cked.
dana has nothing to do with the fact that the judges scored a controversial decision. please dude. he threw shogun in there because shogun is one of the best fighters in the world.

[beasly15]

dana has nothing to do with the fact that the judges scored a controversial decision. please dude. he threw shogun in there because shogun is one of the best fighters in the world.

come on, maybe he had nothing to do with the judges but beating mark coleman and liddell really isn't title shot worthy but.. he did show up last night. these are vegas people.. things can happen.

[PistolPete]

Dana doesn't build up his PPV's as he should. I wouldn't throw a guy like Shogun at Machida right after Machida's victory over Evans. Let Machida beat up on a couple scrubs and then build up a possible spoiler against a guy like Shogun or some other great Light Heavyweight a few PPV's down the line.

He's setting up the fans for disappointment cause we know he wants Machida to win and the fans to get used to him as champ, but then he has PPV's like he has last night where the fans were behind Machida, but get screwed by not having Shogun win the belt. Shogun has the history and in my opinion the overall advantage on Machida. What was Dana expecting??

[MarloStanfield]

Dana doesn't build up his PPV's as he should. I wouldn't throw a guy like Shogun at Machida right after Machida's victory over Evans. Let Machida beat up on a couple scrubs and then build up a possible spoiler against a guy like Shogun or some other great Light Heavyweight a few PPV's down the line.

He's setting up the fans for disappointment cause we know he wants Machida to win and the fans to get used to him as champ, but then he has PPV's like he has last night where the fans were behind Machida, but get screwed by not having Shogun win the belt. Shogun has the history and in my opinion the overall advantage on Machida. What was Dana expecting??
No one wants to see Machida fight scrubs. PPV's with scrubs headlining don't sell. I am glad the UFC puts on competitive fights. I'm not sure what led you to believe he wants Machida to win.

Btw Dana White doesn't put together fights either. The match maker is Joe Silva.

[beasly15]

No one wants to see Machida fight scrubs. PPV's with scrums headlining don't sell. I am glad the UFC puts on competitive fights. I'm not sure what led you to believe he wants Machida to win.

Btw Dana White doesn't put together fights either. The match maker is Joe Silva.

naive??

[MarloStanfield]

naive??
informed

[Mikaiel]

Dana doesn't build up his PPV's as he should. I wouldn't throw a guy like Shogun at Machida right after Machida's victory over Evans. Let Machida beat up on a couple scrubs and then build up a possible spoiler against a guy like Shogun or some other great Light Heavyweight a few PPV's down the line.

WTF ? Are you actually complaining because the UFC put on a competitive fight ? It was a fight most MMA fans wanted to see ....

[PistolPete]

No one wants to see Machida fight scrubs. PPV's with scrubs headlining don't sell. I am glad the UFC puts on competitive fights. I'm not sure what led you to believe he wants Machida to win.

Btw Dana White doesn't put together fights either. The match maker is Joe Silva.

Fans don't want to watch fights like last night either. Neither guy took it upon himself to dominate. Standing around dancing too much, not good at all. Rather see Machida knock a few people out while defending that title, that a PPV at the end of the year against a formidable opponent in Shogun would bring all that anticipation to a great climax. Had this happened (I truly believe), Machida loses the belt.

[PistolPete]

WTF ? Are you actually complaining because the UFC put on a competitive fight ? It was a fight most MMA fans wanted to see ....

Yes, they wanted to see it, but not with horrible outcomes like that. I think in the end, we're all victims of the Machida hype.

[MarloStanfield]

Fans don't want to watch fights like last night either. Neither guy took it upon himself to dominate. Standing around dancing too much, not good at all. Rather see Machida knock a few people out while defending that title, that a PPV at the end of the year against a formidable opponent in Shogun would bring all that anticipation to a great climax. Had this happened (I truly believe), Machida loses the belt.
Are you kidding me? Fans want to watch the most competitive fights possible.

Standing around and dancing? That was one of the greatest displays of striking to ever grace the UFC. Should Shogun have tried to push the pace at the end of rounds a little more to seal a decision? Yes, but when you attack a counter striker like Machida you're putting yourself in serious danger. If you can't appreciate why that was a great fight and all of the intricacies involved you probably shouldn't be watching MMA.

I'd suggest checking out a local tough man competition.

[MarloStanfield]

Yes, they wanted to see it, but not with horrible outcomes like that. I think in the end, we're all victims of the Machida hype.
Machida hype? You're on a roll. It's a shame you don't know of MMA outside the UFC because Shogun was once widely regarded as the #1 LHW in the world and one of the best P4P fighters in MMA.

Machida is still a great fighter.

[fatboy11]

You're talking about the deepest division in the UFC. Couture just dropped back to LHW, Ortiz is making his return soon and I think Liddell also went back to training. Why would they risk fixing this fight when the payoff wouldn't be close to other possible fights? They could hype an Anderson Silva/Shogun fight more than a rematch between Machida and Shogun. If there's a division that doesn't need any controversy to hype it up it would be LHW.Yeah, you would think that if they wanted to have a certain guy win, it would be Shogun. That would open the door for a HUGE revenge fight with Machida's buddy, The Spider. That's what me and my buddies were talking about.

To think, people are claiming that the UFC fixed a fight outcome FOR Machida when just months ago they were complaining that the UFC was doing everything they could to keep Machida out of the spotlight. Makes no sense.

[fatboy11]

Fans don't want to watch fights like last night either. Neither guy took it upon himself to dominate. Standing around dancing too much, not good at all. Rather see Machida knock a few people out while defending that title, that a PPV at the end of the year against a formidable opponent in Shogun would bring all that anticipation to a great climax. Had this happened (I truly believe), Machida loses the belt.I disagree. I wanted the fight with some friends, and I consider all but one of them "casual" fans. One of them laid into the LA fans for booing the main event at one point and not one of them commented on the fight being boring. It was a good fight. It was pretty repetitive, but it was so intense because Shogun was bringing the fight to Machida like no one was EVER done before. It was a great fight. I look forward to the rematch.

[Mikaiel]

Yeah, you would think that if they wanted to have a certain guy win, it would be Shogun. That would open the door for a HUGE revenge fight with Machida's buddy, The Spider. That's what me and my buddies were talking about.


On the other hand, if people think that Silva would fight Shogun for the title, they fail to understand the depth of Anderson's loyalty to Machida.

When Silva fought his first fight at 205 lbs we started learning about his loyalty to Lyoto. It became clear Silva could successfully fight at 205 lbs and questions circled about a possible title shot in that division.

Rather than talking about his place in the division, Silva frequently and consistently said that he was not interested in fighting for the light heavyweight title. He believed Lyoto Machida would eventually become the champion, and he did not want to get in his way.

This was before Machida had even fought Tito Ortiz.

Think about that for a second. Anderson Silva's loyalty to Machida not only prevents him from fighting Machida, but also has already prevented him from doing other fights that would get between Machida and the UFC title.

Should Machida lose to Shogun, he will want his title back. Due to this Silva will probably not fight Shogun. If he won, he would then be in Machida's way.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/267587-anderson-silva-wont-fight-shogun-even-if-shogun-beats-machida

[fatboy11]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/267587-anderson-silva-wont-fight-shogun-even-if-shogun-beats-machidaGood point. Didn't think about that.

[fatboy11]

Machida's been doing it for a while now.

I got...

Machida*
Rothwell
Stevenson
Rumble
Neer
Bader
Barry
Okami
Gormley
Al-Hussan
RiveraOuch. 6/11. Really should be 5/11, hence the *.