When Will Heat Fans Realize They Made A Mistake Drafting Michael Beasley?

[Interminator]

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[BankShot]

Yes, Brook Lopez would have been a nice fit on the Heat... but Mayo & Gordon both play the same position as Wade, and none of the three SG's should be manning the point.

As for Anthony Randolph... LOL at you thinking he should have been a #2 pick. Lets at least wait until he does something substantial in the regular season to declare him worthy of that selection.

Classic short-sighted ISH mentality: ONE year in the league makes or breaks perception of a player to the point of someone being declared a "bust" or a "disappointment" :rolleyes:

[MeLO MvP 15]

beasly will prob have a better career in total than those guys, except mayb lopez.... but no one knew lopez would be that good...
beasly barely played last year and got good number this year he should improve and b a canidate for MIP

["Jesus"]

You forgot the Rookie of the Year.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20090422/bkn-rookie-of-year/images/38b5d7b2-9f76-4a92-937b-16e952319aff.jpg

[bisk]

You forgot the Rookie of the Year.


He was the first pick.

[-M-I]

You forgot the Rookie of the Year.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20090422/bkn-rookie-of-year/images/38b5d7b2-9f76-4a92-937b-16e952319aff.jpg

Yeah because the Heat had the option of drafting Derrick Rose

[HylianNightmare]

brook lopez is the only one the heat would have done better with, and give beasley a few years he's still learning

["Jesus"]

He was the first pick.

Touche. I am weak.

[Meticode]

Touche. I am weak.

LOL

[momo]

But... but...

He is Super cool!

[Al Thornton]

Yes, Brook Lopez would have been a nice fit on the Heat... but Mayo & Gordon both play the same position as Wade, and none of the three SG's should be manning the point.

As for Anthony Randolph... LOL at you thinking he should have been a #2 pick. Lets at least wait until he does something substantial in the regular season to declare him worthy of that selection.

Classic short-sighted ISH mentality: ONE year in the league makes or breaks perception of a player to the point of someone being declared a "bust" or a "disappointment" :rolleyes:

they couldn't have drafted mayo or gordon and traded em?

[Human Error]

Beasley may still be very dumb off the court but his basketball talent is unmatched, I'm confident that the Heat made the right pick. He'll perform significantly better with increased minutes and role this season. Watch out.

[Human Error]

they couldn't have drafted mayo or gordon and traded em?
Mayo plays the same position with Wade, and Eric Gordon isn't talented enough for a team with the 2nd overall pick to consider.

[goldenryan]

beasley was a beast (no pun intented) in college, i would of selected him too.
too early to label him a bust also.

[el gringos]

I was conviced they'd take lopez- I remember hearing something about how riley almost wanted kaman over wade- and not only should they have taken lopez, they couldve probobly ended up trading down and getting lopez at 5-8 or so and something more


I honestly believe that the nations view of the pac 10 is just strange- I still can't get over the fact that so many people loved jordon hill this year and not as many hyped lopez the year before- I know I don't watch a lot of east coast games and admit to being wrong and underinformed about a lot of those players- its unexcusable for the "draft experts" though to not have seen how dominating lopez could be against as good of players as there were in the pac 10 that year


Ya the heat shouldve taken lopez, but so should minnisota, milwaukee, new york, charlotte and others-


Beasley ends up having about the 5th/6th best career in his draft after rose,lopez,mayo westbrook and probobly gordon-

[DuMa]

beas will prove his doubters wrong

[Showtime]

beas will prove his doubters wrong
http://nbcsportsmedia4.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070821/070821_griffin_vmed_6p.widec.jpg

"I'ma prove my doubters wro-*CRASH*"


Dude, it's better to overreact to this sort of issue than to ignore it, assume everything will be OK, and end up having something bad happen that might have been prevented if people took it more seriously.

[Samurai Jack]

http://nbcsportsmedia4.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070821/070821_griffin_vmed_6p.widec.jpg

"I'ma prove my doubters wro-*CRASH*"


Dude, it's better to overreact to this sort of issue than to ignore it, assume everything will be OK, and end up having something bad happen that might have been prevented if people took it more seriously.

That is not funny.

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[Interminator]

http://nbcsportsmedia4.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070821/070821_griffin_vmed_6p.widec.jpg

"I'ma prove my doubters wro-*CRASH*"


Dude, it's better to overreact to this sort of issue than to ignore it, assume everything will be OK, and end up having something bad happen that might have been prevented if people took it more seriously.
Oh my ****ing god.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

One of the few times on ISH a picture made me laugh out loud.

[Interminator]

Yes, Brook Lopez would have been a nice fit on the Heat... but Mayo & Gordon both play the same position as Wade, and none of the three SG's should be manning the point.

Do you watch basketball?

Wade plays SG, but is pretty much a PG on the court and penetrates to attack the basket which opens up the perimeter for spot shooters. Gordon & Mayo are both perimeter oriented scorers that would've fit perfectly as a 2nd option to Wade.

Wade wanted Mayo after they worked out together and did some drills and realized that their games complimented each other.

I dont see what compliment an Al Harrington clone like Beasley does for Wade?

Once again, hes not strong enough nor has the desire to bang in the post at PF although he has the size at 6'9 and he doesn't have the speed or lateral athletic ability to play SF. Hes a tweener Forward that relies on his mid range shot exclusively.

[RoseCity07]

They missed out on Brook Lopez but other than that made the right pick. Lopez wasn't that great in college though so it's understandable.

[206kid]

This thread makes me want to cry, DAMN i wish we had the number 1 pick and got Derrick Rose...

A back court of Rose and Wade...damn

[Interminator]

This thread makes me want to cry, DAMN i wish we had the number 1 pick and got Derrick Rose...

A back court of Rose and Wade...damn
Beasley is going to make that backcourt of Rose and Wade happen.

Its just not going to be in Miami.:oldlol:

[B-Easy8]

Why would they have taken Gordon and Mayo considering that both of them are SG's, same position as Wade btw. Lopez is going to be very good but I dont think his career will be better than Beasley's. Anthony Randolph.... Are you joking, which idiot would have taken him with the number 2 pick.
I think that Beasley was still the right choice and will be a very good complement to Wade, keeping in mind that he didn't get all that much playing time last year and was the only player from your list who was playing for a playoff team therefore didn't get the freedom from the coach like the others did.
Wade is amazing but does dominate the ball a lot, playing next to him when your fellow draftees are already 'the man' on their respective teams would have been tough. I remember the game Wade sat out against the Celtics in Boston and Beasley was clearly the man on the team and they made it to OT and Beasley played like a stud.

[plowking]

I've heard Beasley called chucker and bust.

Now can someone tell me how 47% FG and 40% 3PT is chucking, and furthermore, can someone find me a list of other rookies in the league that scored as efficiently and effectively as Beasley did per minute while playing over 25 minutes a game, dating back to 1980?

[kumquat]

Miami would have been perfectly fine running a backcourt duo of OJ Mayo and Wade.

Beasley's problem isn't that he's a bad player, he's just the definition of a tweener and his skills didn't translate from college where he was a great rebounder and skilled enough to take on the SF's. He's not a great rebounder and isn't skilled enough at NBA level.

[plowking]

Miami would have been perfectly fine running a backcourt duo of OJ Mayo and Wade.

Beasley's problem isn't that he's a bad player, he's just the definition of a tweener and his skills didn't translate from college where he was a great rebounder and skilled enough to take on the SF's. He's not a great rebounder and isn't skilled enough at NBA level.

?

His first step is better than 90% of the SF's in the league. He was cruising by everyone last season, just needed help finishing at the ring when help stepped across at the basket.

[BlazersDozen]

Be real here. Who were the Heat supposed to take?

Half of the first 14 picks were guards and there was another pick (Gallinari) who is basically a shooting guard in a small forward body.

Kevin Love was getting a lot of hate from everybody for his size and unability to jump high (although I knew he would be a nice player)

Jason Thompson and Anthony Randolph were seen as big REACHES in the first round and Joe Alexander looks like trash...basically James White with a light complection.

They missed on Brook Lopez because everybody was saying he had horrible defense.

It's easy to look back and hate on picks a year and a half later...

[Se]

That is not funny.

http://blog.nj.com/ledgerupdates/__files/2007/08/large_grifun3.jpg

The guy in the blue shirt thinks its funny.

[beasted86]

To all the haters.... enjoy the 2010 lottery... again. :lol

[BFRESH44]

Will look forward to bumping this thread.....*bookmarked*

[G-train]

Beasley with another 20 point game.
Averaging 15 and 7 in 31 mins per game on the year.
45% FG, 85% Ft.

Getting better and better by the game.

[LT Ice Cream]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbUKIyuGqrk

[OneMoreSucka]

He'll be fine in this league.

[Human Error]

I'll keep bumping this thread until the end of the season. I think a lot of guys here will be busy making excuses and eating their words.

[wang4three]

They missed out on Brook Lopez but other than that made the right pick. Lopez wasn't that great in college though so it's understandable.

I'm sorry, that must have been a different Brook Lopez that averaged 19/8 and 2 blocks and had a 26 and 30 point outburst in the tournament that also included a game winning bucket with 1.3 seconds left against Marquette.

Beasley was a better college player, but Brook was a stud in college as well.

[phoenix18]

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Why did you have to do Beasley like that? Everyone else had a pic of them ballin and then this?

[plowking]

Has there been anyone better this year than Beasley from his rookie class?

[OneMoreSucka]

Has there been anyone better this year than Beasley from his rookie class?
Brook Lopez and that's about it

[chazzy]

Has there been anyone better this year than Beasley from his rookie class?

Brook Lopez is putting up 19/9 on 48.6% shooting but has a bigger role on a bad team.

[Rekindled]

Has there been anyone better this year than Beasley from his rookie class?

lopez(19ppg 9rpg) and westbrook(16ppg 7apg)

[oh the horror]

Lopez is nice, and I cant argue that at the moment he probably would have been a better pick up for Miami. Actually a great pick up....but that doesnt take away from Beasly in the least...I just think he'll take some time to get into his game a bit more....Isnt he very young at this point? Yeah, I think once dude levels out, matures, learns the game, he'll be a monster to handle as well.

[Human Error]

Brook Lopez and that's about it
Beasley on the Nets would be averaging 23 and 10 at the very least. And if you're to tell me that Beasley can't help the team win like Brook Lopez can while scoring more, well, how many game(s) have the Nets won this season with Brook Lopez?

[plowking]

I'll take Beasley over Lopez thanks. Anyone can average good numbers on a team that wins one game over 20 games.

I guess Westbrook is the only one that I would take over Beasley atm, and this is considering that Beasley's numbers haven't evened out after he's recently found his offensive game.

[NuggetsFan]

I'll take Beasley over Lopez thanks. Anyone can average good numbers on a team that wins one game over 20 games.

I guess Westbrook is the only one that I would take over Beasley atm, and this is considering that Beasley's numbers haven't evened out after he's recently found his offensive game.

But it's only been 20 games .. this "right now\at the moment" logic is retarded :oldlol: .. j\p

Beasley has been playing really good so far and the only rookie that has really been better than him is Lopez and that's arguable seeing as how brutal the Nets. Nice to see him playing well after all the hate he got this summer.

[wang4three]

Beasley on the Nets would be averaging 23 and 10 at the very least.

No he wouldn't.

[beasted86]

Brook Lopez is putting up 19/9 on 48.6% shooting but has a bigger role on a bad team.
Honestly is there an emptier statline in the NBA?

I like Brook, alot, I actually agreed that the Heat maybe should have drafted him with 20/20 hindsight (though he's the only one... not Mayo or Rose or Gordon, etc), but in light of the Nets' record, his stats and impact mean nothing to me right now.

[NuggetsFan]

OJ Mayo : 17\3\3 on 45%\36%\82% in 37mpg.
Eric Gordon : 17\3\3 on 47%\37%\75% in 36mpg.
Derrick Rose 15\5\2 on 45%\79% in 34mpg
Brook Lopez 19\9\2 on 48%\82% in 36mpg
Russel Westbrook 16\7\4 on 40%\31%\80% in 34mpg
Jason Thompson 14\9\2 on 48%\80% in 33mpg
Micheal Beasley 15\6\1 on 44%\85% in 32mpg

In terms of Team Records .. doesn't show there impact but just kinda to show if there just putting up numbers on horrible teams.

Beasley with 11 wins
Westbrook with 10 wins
Thompson with 9 wins
Gordon with 9 wins (he was out for a bit tho)
Mayo with 8 wins
Rose with 7 wins
Lopez with 1 win

Statistics don't favour Beasley like I thought they would. Kinda interesting to see Thompson put up 14\9. I might of jumped the gun a little bit when I said Lopez is the only rookie with a case :confusedshrug:

[lukekarts]

OJ Mayo : 17\3\3 on 45%\36%\82% in 37mpg.
Eric Gordon : 17\3\3 on 47%\37%\75% in 36mpg.
Derrick Rose 15\5\2 on 45%\79% in 34mpg
Brook Lopez 19\9\2 on 48%\82% in 36mpg
Russel Westbrook 16\7\4 on 40%\31%\80% in 34mpg
Jason Thompson 14\9\2 on 48%\80% in 33mpg
Micheal Beasley 15\6\1 on 44%\85% in 32mpg

In terms of Team Records .. doesn't show there impact but just kinda to show if there just putting up numbers on horrible teams.

Beasley with 11 wins
Westbrook with 10 wins
Thompson with 9 wins
Gordon with 9 wins (he was out for a bit tho)
Mayo with 8 wins
Rose with 7 wins
Lopez with 1 win

Statistics don't favour Beasley like I thought they would. Kinda interesting to see Thompson put up 14\9. I might of jumped the gun a little bit when I said Lopez is the only rookie with a case :confusedshrug:

He's playing fewer minutes per game and putting up similar numbers... not to mention the stats don't show the stupid decisions by Spo, game after game, to take him out when he's on a scoring run.

I think it's testament to Beasley's offensive ability that he was able to put up 17/7 against Kevin Garnett in 35 minutes. He's a talented player, that's for sure. And defensively, he's not getting abused completely, he's not perfect, but nor is he a liability and he hustles as well as Haslem.

In hindsight, I'd maybe have taken Lopez over him. And that's only because at the time of the draft, Magliore/Blount was our Center rotation, and I didn't expect Lopez to have the impact he did. In the long run, I expect both will have similar careers.

[Human Error]

No he wouldn't.
If CDR can average 17 points a game for the Nets, Beasley would be averaging 25 easily.

[B-Easy8]

Beasley far outplayed Thompson today on both sides of the ball.
His stats don't do him justice as Spo takes him out of games at bad times far too often. He also plays with Wade so he doesn't get that much of an oppurtunity to show his offensive game with the first unit, the bulk of his points come when he is playing with the second unit as 'the go to man' on offense which shows how good he could be if he was the first option on a team.

[sergiorodriguez]

Saw Beasley play in person last friday, his offensive game looked great, second best on the heat, and he looked like he had potential to be a Carmelo look player offensively, his jumper atleast is just as smooth, he he was crashing the boards hard every play which surprised me. Beasley in theory should be great with Wade, the heat need to run more set plays and give Beasley more isos. Their offense is basically give the ball to wade and let him create something from nothing. The few times they gave beasley the ball with a fresh shot clock he did great

[gotbacon23]

yes maybe the heat shouldn't have taken beasley #2, however its hard to kill the heat when every single team in the nba would have taken beasley #2 after rose, and some would have even taken beasley over rose even if the opportunity had presented itself. that doesn't make it right- a mistake is a mistake (and its debatable as to whether it was even a mistake) but every single team would have done the same thing. yes there were character questions but the talent he showed at kansas state made it clear that rose/beasley would be one/two even before the lottery happened.

[Dresta]

Interminator = dumbass

[Batman]

yes maybe the heat shouldn't have taken beasley #2, however its hard to kill the heat when every single team in the nba would have taken beasley #2 after rose, and some would have even taken beasley over rose even if the opportunity had presented itself. that doesn't make it right- a mistake is a mistake (and its debatable as to whether it was even a mistake) but every single team would have done the same thing. yes there were character questions but the talent he showed at kansas state made it clear that rose/beasley would be one/two even before the lottery happened.

I believe Pat Riley was flirting with the idea of taking OJ Mayo. Which in hindsight he probably should have and then tried to get CDR in the later round. I don't look too much into Mayo's number this year his team is loaded with scorers and blackholes. I honestly believe that a guy like Wade wouldn't even average 25 ppg or more in Memphis. I have always been a Rose guy from day 1, but everytime I watch Mayo he impresses me a little bit even more. To me he is still the most raw player with the highest potential in this draft. The guy can flat out shoot the lights out, I was watching him hit 5 out of 8 3s last game against the Mavs. He is a pretty good passer even though his numbers don't show it. He has cut down on his turnovers this year averaging less than 2 a game. It is rare for a young talented player to be such a great shooter. Usually they are great athletes and drivers, and struggle with shooting. It is hard to develope a great jumper, people go their entire career without ever being a great shooter Jason Kidd is an example of that. If Mayo can learn to get to the line/drive maybe even develope a post up game he may be a top 25 offensive force in league history he has that much offensive game,

Deep down I think Heat Fans would have liked a Wade/Mayo backcourt. Gasol's numbers he is putting up this year is a direct result of hard work in the off season and having OJ Mayo out in the perimeter. I have watched their games teams still face guard Mayo on the perimeter instead of double down on Marc, so Marc basically has one on one on the block everytime he gets the ball. Right now Wade is shooting a career low 43% from the field if Mayo was on the team Wade would always have one on one coverage when he drives instead of teams collapsing as hard as they do. Beasley and Chalmers are great shooters, but none of them have a jumper of Mayo's level. You throw in getting CDR that is a ball club.

Derrick Rose is back to his old self again. I think it is safe to say that for the next 5 years he is head and shoulders above everybody else. However by their 7th year in the league when they are reaching their primes at 27-28 years old I think Mayo will be the best on just based on his potential.

[Dresta]

Mayo is a jumpshooter, and little else.

[LebrickJames84']

Mayo is a jumpshooter, and little else.

You act like that's a bad thing. There have been many some Top 100 players in NBA history that were just jumpshooters Reggie Miller and Ray Allen. I do agree that if Mayo wants to be what his fans claim he will be (lilojmayo) he has to show me the whole package. The driving, rebound, shooting, playmaking, defense etc.

Russell Westbrook is the best player though in this draft and everybody is clueless if you think other. Ever since opening day this guy has been go go go.

16.3 PPG 4.5 rebs 7.2 assists. The sky is the limit. He could be a 20/7/8 guy in his prime easily and go for triple doubles every 3rd game. You guys can have Beasley, Rose, Mayo. I'll take Wesbrook first, he just needs to improve his shooting 40% from the FG and stop turning the ball over so much and he is set.

[HiphopRelated]

Mayo doesn't do more for Miami than Beasley

The only other player in that draft could help Miami more is Lopez, and that's especially because 2010 is a PF heavy FA.

[GOBB]

I've always felt OJ Mayo was the right pick before Miami even made thier selection. But I dont see how Beasley is/nor has been a mistake. A photo of him passed out after partying justifies what? Only guy that has been disappointing and a player I felt would be solid for the Heat is Mario Chalmers.

[beasted86]

Deep down I think Heat Fans would have liked a Wade/Mayo backcourt.

What Heat fans are you getting this hint from?
Why would we want another ball dominant guard who's also turnover prone?

As I said, give me Lopez, or give me Beasley again. Rose would be better than Beasley in theory, but he can't shoot. So I'm not sure how much his PG skills would help the team all that much. Westbrook is one of my favorite players, and even he I'm not sold on over Beasley. He also can't shoot.

[beasted86]

I've always felt OJ Mayo was the right pick before Miami even made thier selection. But I dont see how Beasley is/nor has been a mistake. A photo of him passed out after partying justifies what? Only guy that has been disappointing and a player I felt would be solid for the Heat is Mario Chalmers.
Yeah, Chalmers has regressed defensively, and he's already 23. His ceiling is really low. I didn't like the Derek Fisher comparison, but that seems to be his ceiling.

[Lakers13]

Yeah, Chalmers has regressed defensively, and he's already 23. His ceiling is really low. I didn't like the Derek Fisher comparison, but that seems to be his ceiling.

Chalmers hits clutch shots or were you comparing his defense to a 35 year old Derek?

[beasted86]

Chalmers hits clutch shots or were you comparing his defense to a 35 year old Derek?
What I mean is his ceiling is probably a prime Derek Fisher... which isn't all that good at all... just clutch.

[Tool]

This thread makes me want to cry, DAMN i wish we had the number 1 pick and got Derrick Rose...

A back court of Rose and Wade...damn

I predict that backcourt coming soon. 2010 except not in Miami, D-Wade's going home to Chi-city ahhhh. :rockon:

[wang4three]

If CDR can average 17 points a game for the Nets, Beasley would be averaging 25 easily.

No he wouldn't, give me a break. If Devin Harris isn't averaging 25 for us right now, what makes you think Beasley would? The Nets and the Heat are at virtually the same amount of rebounding, what makes Beasley grab 10 a game? 4 extra minutes on the court?

Beasley would be averaging about the same numbers on the Nets as he is on the Heat. Maybe 17/7 at best.

[HiphopRelated]

No he wouldn't, give me a break. If Devin Harris isn't averaging 25 for us right now, what makes you think Beasley would? The Nets and the Heat are at virtually the same amount of rebounding, what makes Beasley grab 10 a game? 4 extra minutes on the court?

Beasley would be averaging about the same numbers on the Nets as he is on the Heat. Maybe 17/7 at best.
Beasley would be the best offensive player on the Nets, that's why.

He's scoring right now without plays being drawn for him and is still avg

last 10 games(basically when he went to strictly PF), 18.2 points on 50.3% shooting, 8.2 boards, and 1.2 assists

[Human Error]

Beasley would be averaging about the same numbers on the Nets as he is on the Heat. Maybe 17/7 at best.
Beasley, in the last 10 games with consistent minutes, has been averaging 18 points on a team that has Wade with no plays drawn for him. So I'd say a guy who can score 18 points a game on a playoff team would easily score more than 17 points a game with no better scorers than him.

[Jasper]

I'll still stick with my pre draft assessment of Beasley , a Career NBA guy that will average a double double with longevity.

(just how old is he ? )

[Papaya Petee]

I'll still stick with my pre draft assessment of Beasley , a Career NBA guy that will average a double double with longevity.

(just how old is he ? )
20 years old


a 24\9 player in his prime.

[JustinJDW]

Why would the Heat draft Mayo or Gordon? They already have Wade as their SG. I can understand though why people think that the Heat should have drafted Lopez instead of Beasley.

[LebrickJames84']

Why would the Heat draft Mayo or Gordon? They already have Wade as their SG. I can understand though why people think that the Heat should have drafted Lopez instead of Beasley.

Mayo can run the PG he has done it a couple times for memphis. Gordon not so much he is more of a scorer

[BFRESH44]

Mayo is as much of a point guard as randy foye and Jamal Crawford...

[Jasper]

Any high volume SG that penetrates like Wade , you need a big PG that can play defense (stop transitions as well as a defensive threat on fast breaks) and can run the fast break also.
But any SG like wade needs a PG that can jack a 3 periodically and stick a digger.
Think of a PG that played for the Bulls that was 6'5".... what was his name?

[G-train]

^Ron Harper?

[Lord Leoshes]

Since DEC of 2008 i was all for Rose, But Beasley was, & has always been 2nd for me. Lopez has the advantage that he plays a position that lacks true talent. But Beasley is the more gifted player.

[Lord Leoshes]

I predict that backcourt coming soon. 2010 except not in Miami, D-Wade's going home to Chity-city ahhhh. :wtf: :ohwell:



When you wake up from that nice dream, make sure you clean that wet spot on the side of your bed. :rolleyes:

[305Baller]

HAHA. Bad time to bring up this thread. Beasley is looking good lately.


:rockon:


www.blogmiamiheat.com

[lilojmayo]

HAHA. Bad time to bring up this thread. Beasley is looking good lately.


:rockon:


www.blogmiamiheat.com

After what OJ Mayo did to the Cavs hitting a go ahead 3 pointer that pretty much gave them a 2 point cushion for when Lebron scored on the end so Conley could hit teh game winner. 28 points 5 rebs 5 assist 10/18 FG 3/4 3pt 5/5 ft I believe it is no question you guys made a huge mistake. Beasley just doesn't take over games the way Mayo has shown in the past and tonight against a powerhouse team like the Cavs through his scoring passing, and just having the defender man guard him instead of playing help D. Lopez would have been a nice pick up also, with Jermaine to play the 4. All in All everything worked out for the best.

[G-train]

Beasley just doesn't take over games the way Mayo has shown in the past and tonight against a powerhouse team

He has Wade on his team.
Plus he dropped a great 23 points on the Celtics as a rookie and looks like he will score every time he touches the ball.
He also dropped 27 on Portland last week.

[Bigsmoke]

Beasley is undersized and overrated

[Lord Leoshes]

Like G-Train said, when you have Wade on your team dont expect Beasley to take over anything until Wade hits the bench. & one's Spo grows confident in him (which he seems to be doing little, by little) he will get those consistent min in the 4th & he will get that confidence & blow up & be the player most thought.

[Dresta]

After what OJ Mayo did to the Cavs hitting a go ahead 3 pointer that pretty much gave them a 2 point cushion for when Lebron scored on the end so Conley could hit teh game winner. 28 points 5 rebs 5 assist 10/18 FG 3/4 3pt 5/5 ft I believe it is no question you guys made a huge mistake. Beasley just doesn't take over games the way Mayo has shown in the past and tonight against a powerhouse team like the Cavs through his scoring passing, and just having the defender man guard him instead of playing help D. Lopez would have been a nice pick up also, with Jermaine to play the 4. All in All everything worked out for the best.7 TO's, the guy clearly isn't a good passer. Beasley hit a gamewinner against Orlando. And Jermaine can't play the 4 anymore. You are clueless. I made a huge mistake in bothering to read your worthless post.

[LebrickJames84']

7 TO's, the guy clearly isn't a good passer. Beasley hit a gamewinner against Orlando. And Jermaine can't play the 4 anymore. You are clueless. I made a huge mistake in bothering to read your worthless post.

mayo>beasley
I rather have Russell Westbrook though. No hate on Mayo I saw the highlights on NBA TV Mayo was the reason they won against the Cavs, he is coldblooded with his jumper.

[Nets fan 93]

brook lopez is the only one the heat would have done better with, and give beasley a few years he's still learning
Mayo would have been a better bench option or even starter than Beasley

[DKLaker]

Beasley is undersized and overrated


:cheers: Should've taken Mayo!!!!!

[Papaya Petee]

Lol OJ Mayo is not a better fit then Beasley.

Our Shooting Guard is 100 times better then Oj Mayo will ever be, and we needed a PF or a Center.

Plus we also got Chalmers which worked out better.

Prime Beasley will be a beast, mark my words 24\9.

[LebrickJames84']

Lol OJ Mayo is not a better fit then Beasley.

Our Shooting Guard is 100 times better then Oj Mayo will ever be, and we needed a PF or a Center.

Plus we also got Chalmers which worked out better.

Prime Beasley will be a beast, mark my words 24\9.

you can put Mayo at PG. Chalmers has a low IQ and a low ceiling. Russell Westbrook would have been deadly with Wade also.

[HiphopRelated]

you can put Mayo at PG. Chalmers has a low IQ and a low ceiling. Russell Westbrook would have been deadly with Wade also.
Mayo is NOT a pg

there's no "well put him at pg"

Lopez is the ONLY player that would have been a better fit and that's complete 20/20 hindsight.

[Poodle]

i think Beasley sux. But there are a lot of dumb GM's around the league so i wouldn't be surprised if the Heat get superstar value for him.

[beasted86]

you can put Mayo at PG. Chalmers has a low IQ and a low ceiling. Russell Westbrook would have been deadly with Wade also.

I suggest Heat fans just leave this topic and bump it again at the end of the year, because we will continue to get complete morons like this responding.


i think Beasley sux. But there are a lot of dumb GM's around the league so i wouldn't be surprised if the Heat get superstar value for him.
... and trolls like this responding.


Anyone with a brain knows Mayo isn't a PG, and never will be a PG. And might as well ban anyone who insinuates the Heat could just displace a superstar like Wade back at PG to comfort a rookie :rolleyes:

Right now Mayo is averaging 2 more points on 5 more minutes per game, and more shot attempts, in a much bigger role. Anyway, like I said, Heat fans just let the hating continue, then bump this at the end of the year for a good laugh.

[Poodle]

I suggest Heat fans just leave this topic and bump it again at the end of the year, because we will continue to get complete morons like this responding.


... and trolls like this responding.


Anyone with a brain knows Mayo isn't a PG, and never will be a PG. And might as well ban anyone who insinuates the Heat could just displace a superstar like Wade back at PG to comfort a rookie :rolleyes:

Right now Mayo is averaging 2 more points on 5 more minutes per game, and more shot attempts, in a much bigger role. Anyway, like I said, Heat fans just let the hating continue, then bump this at the end of the year for a good laugh.


troll? what the hell as Beasley done since entering the league? He couldn't even start ahead of Haslem and was inconsistently awful throughout his rookie year and has barely made much progress. He is nowhere near this great player some of you homers are pretending.

I'm willing to wait but i hope you're willing to say you were wrong when he doesn't amount to anything more than a barely above average player.

You know there was a time where people pretended Monta Ellis couldn't play PG either. you CAN convert SG's to PG's and not lose much, and you just don't know until you try. No coach knows either until its tried.

[beasted86]

troll? what the hell as Beasley done since entering the league? He couldn't even start ahead of Haslem and was inconsistently awful throughout his rookie year and has barely made much progress. He is nowhere near this great player some of you homers are pretending.

I'm willing to wait but i hope you're willing to say you were wrong when he doesn't amount to anything more than a barely above average player.

You know there was a time where people pretended Monta Ellis couldn't play PG either. you CAN convert SG's to PG's and not lose much, and you just don't know until you try. No coach knows either until its tried.
Monta Ellis is still not a PG you troll. :oldlol: He's one of my favorite players in the league, that doesn't play for the Heat. I've watched enough of him to tell you he also will never be a PG. He's averaging 5 assists with 4.5 T/Os.

Who ever called Beasley "this great player" anyway? :rolleyes:..... More trolling, more garbage spewing posts. Beasley was 19 as a rookie, and is now 20 and has made plenty of progress. If you are a stat whore who only looks at numbers on a page instead of watching the game, it's best you don't try and post your opinions. I've always said Beasley's peak could be Antawn Jamison with slightly better defense, who could be putting up 20/9 seasons all day in his peak. I wouldn't call that "a barely above average players"

[Poodle]

Monta Ellis is still not a PG you troll. :oldlol: He's one of my favorite players in the league, that doesn't play for the Heat. I've watched enough of him to tell you he also will never be a PG. He's averaging 5 assists with 4.5 T/Os.

Who ever called Beasley "this great player" anyway? :rolleyes:..... More trolling, more garbage spewing posts. Beasley was 19 as a rookie, and is now 20 and has made plenty of progress. If you are a stat whore who only looks at numbers on a page instead of watching the game, it's best you don't try and post your opinions. I've always said Beasley's peak could be Antawn Jamison with slightly better defense, who could be putting up 20/9 seasons all day in his peak. I wouldn't call that "a barely above average players"


WTF?

Monta IS playing PG for the Warriors this season. How is he not a PG? He penetrates as good as anyone and creates like a PG should. Just like any SG can...

you don't think half these guards haven't played PG at some point throughout their careeers? Just because some coaches won't do anything outside of their box doesn't mean things can't be done that way. If anything the coaches that are generic are the lesser coaches throughout the league.

And you're the only troll here because everyone has seen Beasley play. He's not anything special. So what numbers should we expect from him then after he gets his game going? Whats he supposedly great at over other PF's in the league according to you?

[HiphopRelated]

WTF?

Monta IS playing PG for the Warriors this season. How is he not a PG? He penetrates as good as anyone and creates like a PG should. Just like any SG can...

you don't think half these guards haven't played PG at some point throughout their careeers? Just because some coaches won't do anything outside of their box doesn't mean things can't be done that way. If anything the coaches that are generic are the lesser coaches throughout the league.

And you're the only troll here because everyone has seen Beasley play. He's not anything special. So what numbers should we expect from him then after he gets his game going? Whats he supposedly great at over other PF's in the league according to you?
last 10 games(when he stopped splitting time @ sf), he's averaging 18.2 points on 50.3% shooting, 8.2 boards, and 1.2 assists

[beasted86]

WTF?

Monta IS playing PG for the Warriors this season. How is he not a PG? He penetrates as good as anyone and creates like a PG should. Just like any SG can...

you don't think half these guards haven't played PG at some point throughout their careeers? Just because some coaches won't do anything outside of their box doesn't mean things can't be done that way. If anything the coaches that are generic are the lesser coaches throughout the league.

And you're the only troll here because everyone has seen Beasley play. He's not anything special. So what numbers should we expect from him then after he gets his game going? Whats he supposedly great at over other PF's in the league according to you?
Umm.... I'm not even sure this dignifies a full response.... but oh well...

Iverson starts at PG, is he a PG? Thaddeus Young starts at PF, is he a PF? David Lee starts at C, is he a C? Stephen Jackson starts at SG, is he a SG? Ben Gordon plays at PG, is he a PG? Beasley has played SF, is he a SF?

Because a player can play a position doesn't mean it's the best fit for their game. As we've already seen Monta is on of the most effective guards playing off the ball. He doesn't have the court vision of a PG, and is turnover prone. He's probably the most effective guard in the league playing off the ball, that's one of the main reasons I like his game so much. He doesn't need to dominate the ball like the majority of guards in this league.

Plus, Beasley's numbers over the past 10 games speak for themselves. Once the coach starts using him in the offense to his strengths, he's a versatile scorer. That's his strength over many PFs, he can score over them in a multitude of ways. He can score on SFs like Carmelo, or long athletic PFs like Garnett, he can flat out score.

[Lord Leoshes]

1) rose
2) Beasley
3) Lopez
4) Westbrook
5) Mayo
6) Gordon
7) Thomson

[Batman]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/50/fullj.cd908fa953b073778d1183e3c90737bc/cd908fa953b073778d1183e3c90737bc-getty-90041191lm026_warriors_thunder.jpg

Heat fans this is starting to be pretty sad how you guys keep defending Beasley. The guy just isn't that good. He couldn't even beat out Haslem last year for the starting spot. We aren't hating on Beasley he just isn't better than OJ Mayo, Brook Lopez, Russell Westbrook, Eric Gordon, or even Kevin Love. Beasley has shown no leadership he has only shown that he can score the ball somewhat, and rebound at a decent rate. Lopez, Wesbrook,Mayo, Love, Gordon have all shown leadership qualities. You guys are desperately trying to shop Beasley for crying out loud. You don't see OKC trying to trade Westbrook for Baron Davis or Grizzlies trade Mayo for Joe Johnson right there raises a red flag.

[Lord Leoshes]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/50/fullj.cd908fa953b073778d1183e3c90737bc/cd908fa953b073778d1183e3c90737bc-getty-90041191lm026_warriors_thunder.jpg

Heat fans this is starting to be pretty sad how you guys keep defending Beasley. The guy just isn't that good. He couldn't even beat out Haslem last year for the starting spot. We aren't hating on Beasley he just isn't better than OJ Mayo, Brook Lopez, Russell Westbrook, Eric Gordon, or even Kevin Love. Beasley has shown no leadership he has only shown that he can score the ball somewhat, and rebound at a decent rate. Lopez, Wesbrook,Mayo, Love, Gordon have all shown leadership qualities. You guys are desperately trying to shop Beasley for crying out loud. You don't see OKC trying to trade Westbrook for Baron Davis or Grizzlies trade Mayo for Joe Johnson right there raises a red flag.




You have no clue do you? :no:


Who says we are trying to trade Beasley? your imaginary friend?
Only the media says crap like that, & poster like you that believe it.
& you put any of those draftees on the Heat & none would take over, or show those so called leadership quality with Wade dominating the ball. If they even tried they'd see their @$$ on the bench fast as hell.
If you would actually see the Heat play then you will know that Beasley does take, over, & shows those leadership quality in the 2nd when Wade is on the bench. In fact even timid Chalmers shows his leadership, qualities when Wade is on the bench.
& Westbrook would have been a bad hit with Wade cause he cant shot. + Beasley talent sealing is way higher.

[wang4three]

Beasley would be the best offensive player on the Nets, that's why.

He's scoring right now without plays being drawn for him and is still avg

last 10 games(basically when he went to strictly PF), 18.2 points on 50.3% shooting, 8.2 boards, and 1.2 assists


No he wouldn't. He's not a more offensive player than Devin give me a break. Averaging 18 points cause the entire defense is sucked into Dwyane Wade doesn't translate averaging 25 points elsewhere.

[wang4three]

Beasley, in the last 10 games with consistent minutes, has been averaging 18 points on a team that has Wade with no plays drawn for him. So I'd say a guy who can score 18 points a game on a playoff team would easily score more than 17 points a game with no better scorers than him.

Devin and Brook are both better scorers than he is, and 18 a game next to a guy who has the entire defense watching another guy doesn't make him the best scorer. By that logic, David Lee would be scoring 30ppg on the Nets since no plays are drawn for him.

[Batman]

No he wouldn't. He's not a more offensive player than Devin give me a break. Averaging 18 points cause the entire defense is sucked into Dwyane Wade doesn't translate averaging 25 points elsewhere.

This teams don't even gameplan on how to stop Beasley, like they do with other young players like Jennings, Mayo, Lopez so obviously he is going to get his he is playing with a top 5 player in the NBA arguably the best player.

[Lord Leoshes]

& thats exactly why he does not get the shot these other guys get. If Wade was injured Beasley would be around 20pg easily. Where he would take a hit would be on his FG%.

[BFRESH44]

It's painful reading some of these replies. The ignorance is incredible.

[tsforthrees]

Spoelstra is the problem in Miami, not Beasley. Pat Riley needs to get back on the floor.

[Day La Ghetto]

once b gets more confidence and is more aggressive hes gonna be a straight scorer. he gets his off no plays being drawn for him almost, really looks good out there on the offensive end right now though. wouldnt trade him for anyone in that draft class.you other guys don't have the whole idea of b down and what he brings and his potential still.

[Dresta]

Devin and Brook are both better scorers than he is, and 18 a game next to a guy who has the entire defense watching another guy doesn't make him the best scorer. By that logic, David Lee would be scoring 30ppg on the Nets since no plays are drawn for him.
Wow, what a ridiculous comment, Beasley has shown the ability to carry an offense in his rookie season, when he created all the offense when D-Wade was on the bench. In fact he's even been doubled plenty this season, you are clueless.

[Rameek]

I find it funny that people think a SG can play PG. Its not the same thing or the same mentality, technique, or skillz.

[Shaq Lover]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/50/fullj.cd908fa953b073778d1183e3c90737bc/cd908fa953b073778d1183e3c90737bc-getty-90041191lm026_warriors_thunder.jpg

Heat fans this is starting to be pretty sad how you guys keep defending Beasley. The guy just isn't that good. He couldn't even beat out Haslem last year for the starting spot. We aren't hating on Beasley he just isn't better than OJ Mayo, Brook Lopez, Russell Westbrook, Eric Gordon, or even Kevin Love. Beasley has shown no leadership he has only shown that he can score the ball somewhat, and rebound at a decent rate. Lopez, Wesbrook,Mayo, Love, Gordon have all shown leadership qualities. You guys are desperately trying to shop Beasley for crying out loud. You don't see OKC trying to trade Westbrook for Baron Davis or Grizzlies trade Mayo for Joe Johnson right there raises a red flag.

I'm not certain where you're getting at. Heat already has D-Wade (27pts, 7 assists) as their go to guy in the backcourt and Mario Chalmers puts up a good game (FG%.500, 3FG%.400) additionally with his 3-pointers and jumpers, which means shooters such as Mayo, Gordon wouldn't necessarily significantly boost up Heat's caliber if it drafted them.
It is hard to say what kind of impact Westbrook would have on the Heat if he were there. He's amazingly explosive, but wouldn't necessarily be a better fit than Chalmers in terms of complementing Wade's weakness.
Lopez is arguably the only guy among all sophomores that can possibly raise Heat to a higher level than Beasley at this point.
And please don't dismiss how brilliant Beasley performance has been especially lately (20ps, 9 rebounds, 47%-49%). He can catch and shoot off the dribble with smooth touch, create his own shots effectively when facing taller opponents, and exploit height advantage when smaller guys are defending him. He's at times even more lethal than Wade is on the court. He's without a doubt a better player than Haslem talenwise. He definitely has his weakness (low BLK, hasn't developed a solid low-post game), There's room for his improvement, but that doesn't diminish his potential to turn into an all-star.

[HiphopRelated]

Devin and Brook are both better scorers than he is, and 18 a game next to a guy who has the entire defense watching another guy doesn't make him the best scorer. By that logic, David Lee would be scoring 30ppg on the Nets since no plays are drawn for him.
you can't be that ridiculous

He needs to have a conscience on the Heat. Brook Lopez is solid, but he's an option that the Nets go to throughout the game.

The Heat only go to Beasley as a focus when Wade is off the floor.

Lee is a garbage man scorer. You can't just throw the ball to him on a broken play and make him create.

Wade is one of the leagues best scorers using 20 shots a game. how the hell does that translate to making it easier for Beasley?

You can argue he gets easier shots, you can't argue he gets much LESS shots.

[Human Error]

It's painful reading some of these replies. The ignorance is incredible.
How true. All we could do is just to keep bumping this thread until the end of the year.

And lol @ CDR being a better scorer than Beasley. Put down the crack pipe already. :oldlol:

[B-Easy8]

People here who think that Beasley gets open looks because of the d collapsing on Wade are completely wrong and need to actually watch more than the one or two games that the Heat play against your team to make an assumption on the kid.
The majority of Beasley's points come when he is playing with the second unit as the go to scorer, when he is with the starters he is just another jump shooter who has to hit the corner waiting for another Wade iso.

[boozehound]

I cant believe such an obviously trolling thread has had such a long life.

[kurple]

I like Beasley. He can become a very solid player

[B-Easy]

The last 10 games Beasley is averaging 18.2 points on 50.3% shooting, 8.2 boards.

Basically every player drafted in 2008 is on a lottery team padding their stats. Beasley is the only one on a winning team, hes the 2nd-3rd best player on a winning team.

Is he a future superstar? no, hes a complimentary player. And that goes for every player in that draft, there were no superstars in that draft.


So dont hold it against Beasley for actually contributing to a winning team. Thats something that the other guys in this draft will be doing in the future. As long as Lopez, Rose, Gordon, etc.. continue being the best or 2nd best players on their team, they will continue playing for lottery teams.

[Batman]

The last 10 games Beasley is averaging 18.2 points on 50.3% shooting, 8.2 boards.

Basically every player drafted in 2008 is on a lottery team padding their stats. Beasley is the only one on a winning team, hes the 2nd-3rd best player on a winning team.

Is he a future superstar? no, hes a complimentary player. And that goes for every player in that draft, there were no superstars in that draft.


So dont hold it against Beasley for actually contributing to a winning team. Thats something that the other guys in this draft will be doing in the future. As long as Lopez, Rose, Gordon, etc.. continue being the best or 2nd best players on their team, they will continue playing for lottery teams.

We blow this year the Bulls. Clippers are playing without Griffin. OKC is a borderline playoff team, same with Gasol and Mayo Grizzlies. This draft is loaded, Derrick Rose, Brook Lopez, Kevin Love, OJ Mayo, Marc Gasol, Kevin Love are all superstars in the making. They are all young it is just going to take time for them to develope unlike the class of 03'. These guys dominated HS, and College like no other class before in US Basketball history that is saying something. Even MJ's Bulls went nowhere their first couple years. I was/am a big supporter of Derrick Rose always will be,but OJ Mayo and Brook Lopez have been in an absolute zone the last 3 or 4 games they have taking their game to a new level. I just can't wait to see all the class of 08 in their primes.

[brandonislegend]

Why is beasley look so damn slow

[NuggetsFan]

Recently been kinda checking out Thompson(after last year expected him to break out abit). I'm not saying he's better than Beasley or he's going to be better or the Heat would have been better of with him. Just take a look at what's he's been doing.

On the year averaging 14.5\9\2 and a block on 49%.

Some big games(compared to his average) this year:
19\9\3
20\9\1
22\6\2
22\14\1
27\11\2
21\14
22\12

Also when the Kings when he averages 17\10 on 51%. And he's only averaging 34 minutes to Beasley's 31. But I understand Beasley minutes are pretty inconsistent. Sacramento are also 9-12 so it's not like there THAT bad .. the Heat are 11-9 but not MILES ahead(In terms of record not where they'll actually finish this year.

[beasted86]

The Heat are MILES ahead of the Kings.

They've been dominating the Kings in the regular season for a while now.

[NuggetsFan]

The Heat are MILES ahead of the Kings.

They've been dominating the Kings in the regular season for a while now.

Did you read my post or? I say in terms or records. Would you say 9-12 is MILES behind 11-9? Nope .. few games back but not miles back. I also added not where there going to finish because clearly the Heat will end up MUCH better than the Kings.

[beasted86]

Well in their head to head matchups, Beasley has outplayed Thompson badly... both this year and last year.

11/31/08:
Beasley 17 PTS, 9 REB
Thompson 10 PTS, 7 REB

01/09/09:
Beasley 23 PTS, 10 REB
Thompson 4 PTS, 7 REB

12/6/09:
Beasley 20 PTS, 5 REB
Thompson: 5 PTS, 8 REB

[NuggetsFan]

Well in their head to head matchups, Beasley has outplayed Thompson badly... both this year and last year.

11/31/08:
Beasley 17 PTS, 9 REB
Thompson 10 PTS, 7 REB

01/09/09:
Beasley 23 PTS, 10 REB
Thompson 4 PTS, 7 REB

12/6/09:
Beasley 20 PTS, 5 REB
Thompson: 5 PTS, 8 REB

Yeah wasn't really saying anything by my statement. Just that Thompson seems to get overlooked and so far the Kings arn't that brutal(still bad but not like the Nets\T-Wolves).

[B-Easy]

Recently been kinda checking out Thompson(after last year expected him to break out abit). I'm not saying he's better than Beasley or he's going to be better or the Heat would have been better of with him. Just take a look at what's he's been doing.

On the year averaging 14.5\9\2 and a block on 49%.

Some big games(compared to his average) this year:
19\9\3
20\9\1
22\6\2
22\14\1
27\11\2
21\14
22\12

Also when the Kings when he averages 17\10 on 51%. And he's only averaging 34 minutes to Beasley's 31. But I understand Beasley minutes are pretty inconsistent. Sacramento are also 9-12 so it's not like there THAT bad .. the Heat are 11-9 but not MILES ahead(In terms of record not where they'll actually finish this year.

Ill take Beasley, but youre right Thompson is overlooked a bit.
Thing about this draft class nobody has separated themselves from the pack, everyone is at about the same level.

Most people assume its Rose and Mayo the 2 best. But Westbrook has been more impressive than Rose this season..i thought the Wolves made a mistake trading Mayo, but Love might be better than Mayo. Beasley and Eric Gordon are right in the mix. Gallinari, CDR, Thompson look like solid players.

[Batman]

Ill take Beasley, but youre right Thompson is overlooked a bit.
Thing about this draft class nobody has separated themselves from the pack, everyone is at about the same level.

Most people assume its Rose and Mayo the 2 best. But Westbrook has been more impressive than Rose this season..i thought the Wolves made a mistake trading Mayo, but Love might be better than Mayo. Beasley and Eric Gordon are right in the mix. Gallinari, CDR, Thompson look like solid players.

As of this current Moment As Which Sophomores are playing the best factoring Record.

1.OJ Mayo
2. Kevin Love
3. Michael Beasley
4. Brook Lopez
5. Marc Gasol

I'll give you beasley has been playing well averaging 19 ppg in December for those who don't know. I don't want to sound like a hater to him. The OP asked was it a mistake to pick Beasley as #2, yes on the fact that they were better players/potential in this draft than Beasley, that could probably team up and be Wade's sidekick a little bit better.

I have watched Kevin Love with him is you see is what you get. He is going to average 10-12 boards a game. and score 15-18 points his whole career. He upside isn't really high. OJ Mayo has superstar potential this is coming from a Rose fan, who despised Mayo last year. The more I watch him, the more I am convinced. I hate bringing Kobe's name when you talk about OJ because his fans jizz in their pants ( OJMamba, lilojmayo etc), but in 96' when the Hornets traded Vlade Divac's for him. Hornets though they got the better deal Vlade was putting up 13-14 points 10 rebounds a season, while Kobe was sitting on the bench and when he did get in started chucking shooting 41%, but Kobe had superstar upside, that Vlade didn't. Kobe maxed out his potential through hard work. I am not saying Mayo is the next Kobe, but he has those same superstar qualities, only time will tell if he maxes it out.

[Lord Leoshes]

We blow this year the Bulls. Clippers are playing without Griffin. OKC is a borderline playoff team, same with Gasol and Mayo Grizzlies. This draft is loaded, Derrick Rose, Brook Lopez, Kevin Love, OJ Mayo, Marc Gasol, Kevin Love are all superstars in the making. They are all young it is just going to take time for them to develope unlike the class of 03'. These guys dominated HS, and College like no other class before in US Basketball history that is saying something. Even MJ's Bulls went nowhere their first couple years. I was/am a big supporter of Derrick Rose always will be,but OJ Mayo and Brook Lopez have been in an absolute zone the last 3 or 4 games they have taking their game to a new level. I just can't wait to see all the class of 08 in their primes.




All superstars?:wtf: Are you kidding me? You cant actually believe all those guys are going to be superstars in this league.


potential Superstar
Rose

Potential allstars
Beasley
Lopez
Mayo-But not if they stay in the west
Westbrook -But not if they stay in the west


Way to many good guards in the west.

[Lord Leoshes]

Recently been kinda checking out Thompson(after last year expected him to break out abit). I'm not saying he's better than Beasley or he's going to be better or the Heat would have been better of with him. Just take a look at what's he's been doing.

On the year averaging 14.5\9\2 and a block on 49%.

Some big games(compared to his average) this year:
19\9\3
20\9\1
22\6\2
22\14\1
27\11\2
21\14
22\12

Also when the Kings when he averages 17\10 on 51%. And he's only averaging 34 minutes to Beasley's 31. But I understand Beasley minutes are pretty inconsistent. Sacramento are also 9-12 so it's not like there THAT bad .. the Heat are 11-9 but not MILES ahead(In terms of record not where they'll actually finish this year.


Thomson has impressed me even though he had a bad game against us. I want to see how he does when he comes down to Miami for the rematch against Beasley. He should be pissed that he had an off game & will come motivated to prove something.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

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:lol at the consensus saying they should have picked Mayo instead. I am happy Mayo didn't go to the heat, he is building his own dynasty in memphis. Mayo is a one in a generation type of player, memphis is lucky they traded for him.

[Lord Leoshes]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a158/JACOBEAN12134/orson20clapping.gif

:lol at the consensus saying they should have picked Mayo instead. I am happy Mayo didn't go to the heat, he is building his own dynasty in memphis. Mayo is a one in a generation type of player, memphis is lucky they traded for him.



Now you guys have to make sure that Rudy Gay does not dip next year. How much do you guys think he will ask for next year, $10mil? more?

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

Now you guys have to make sure that Rudy Gay does not dip next year. How much do you guys think he will ask for next year, $10mil? more?

We didn't want Gay. That's why we didn't give him the money he wanted so we are letting him be a restricted free agent. He has been playing for a paycheck so he has been playing well since this is his contract year. Sam Young can easily replace Gay without question. He drives more and doesn't settle for as many jumpers.

[highwhey]

he's not a bad player. so what if he's had some mishaps early in his career, he's young...don't pretend that all the rookies spend their first year in the nba at the gym 24/7, eventually most of them go out at night and have some fun given that they have became millionaires and fame and popularity is theirs.

[Lord Leoshes]

OK my question is at what prise will you guys not match. $10mil? Less?

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

it is like NBA players read this forum. Right now Mayo is laying the smackdown on Wade and company and Beasley has 2 points 1-6 FG. / this thread already.

[wang4three]

Wow, what a ridiculous comment, Beasley has shown the ability to carry an offense in his rookie season, when he created all the offense when D-Wade was on the bench. In fact he's even been doubled plenty this season, you are clueless.


Wade averaged about 38.5 minutes a game last year. So for those 9.5 minutes Beasley was creating offense...yup that translates to being able to carry a team's offense through the stretch of an entire game. Get the **** out of here with your small sample sizes and your irrelevant logic. By the way you talk, you probably think that JR Smith and Jason Terry can carry an offenses too.

[Batman]

I think Mayo just showed us tonight why he is light years ahead of Beasley. Loosing by 25 points to the grzziles is unacceptable they were resting all the starters all second half.

[plowking]

I think Mayo just showed us tonight why he is light years ahead of Beasley. Loosing by 25 points to the grzziles is unacceptable the were resting all the starters all second half.

Yet there head to head matchups prior to this suggest otherwise...

[ronnymac]

Panic. lets all Panic....

[Dresta]

Wade averaged about 38.5 minutes a game last year. So for those 9.5 minutes Beasley was creating offense...yup that translates to being able to carry a team's offense through the stretch of an entire game. Get the **** out of here with your small sample sizes and your irrelevant logic. By the way you talk, you probably think that JR Smith and Jason Terry can carry an offenses too.Firstly, have you seen the garbage unit Beasley was expected to carry? Secondly, JR Smith and Jason Terry are both better scorers then Brook Lopez. Thirdly, in the games Dwyane Wade didn't play, Beasley excelled as the primary option, almost leading the heat to a win @ the garden, a game they probably would have won if the heats retarded coach had gone to him more.

[Dresta]

I think Mayo just showed us tonight why he is light years ahead of Beasley. Loosing by 25 points to the grzziles is unacceptable they were resting all the starters all second half.Except Beasley is being mishandled by Spoelstra, i'd like to see how Mayo'd do if he was forced to play minutes @ PG to accomodate some crappy role player, only to get benched as soon as he makes a mistake.

[Lord Leoshes]

I think Mayo just showed us tonight why he is light years ahead of Beasley. Loosing by 25 points to the grzziles is unacceptable they were resting all the starters all second half.





Of Course, just like S Hunter showed us tonight why he is light years ahead of Wade. Cause his team won. :ohwell:

So with that logic, if the Heat would of won today then that would mean that Arroyo would be light years ahead of Mayo cause his team won? :hammerhead: Sound logical to me. :no:

[305Baller]

Good night to bring this thread back as Beasley did not shoot well. But Mayo was not much better.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

Good night to bring this thread back as Beasley did not shoot well. But Mayo was not much better.

* truth teller steps in*

Mayo started off the attack lit Wade's ass up ( as usual) he had 14 first quarter points going 5 for 5 FG and 4/4 FT. We were already up at this point Then got in foul trouble. Then Gay and Gasol especially gay went bonkers. So by the time Mayo came back in it was already a 20 point game. and we sat all our players. 14 of Mayo 16 points came in the 1st quarter.

[Lord Leoshes]

The truth is that this was Rudy Gay auditioning for Pat Riley.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

The truth is that this was Rudy Gay auditioning for Pat Riley.

If Pat is willing to give him 5 years 60-65 million then go right ahead and take him. He isn't the best team player, and it doesn't help when Wade is so ball dominate.
I am pretty sure he is going to the T'wolves they already said they were going to pay him big bucks.

[Lord Leoshes]

* truth teller steps in*

Mayo started off the attack light Wade's ass up ( as usual) he had 14 first quarter points going 5 for 5 FG and 4/4 FT. We were already up at this point Then got in foul trouble. Then Gay and Gasol especially gay went bonkers. So by the time Mayo came back in it was already a 20 point game. and we sat all our players. 14 of Mayo 16 points came in the 1st quarter.



UH the game started with Wade posting up Mayo for easy scores till you had to dubble team him. :confusedshrug:

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

http://www.nba.com/video/games/heat/2009/12/13/0020900341_mem_mia_recap.nba/index.html

What a show Gay and Memphis put on dunk fest.

[Lord Leoshes]

If Pat is willing to give him 5 years 60-65 million then go right ahead and take him. He isn't the best team player, and it doesn't help when Wade is so ball dominate.
I am pretty sure he is going to the T'wolves they already said they were going to pay him big bucks.


Well the Heats 1st target is Bron like every other team with max cap.
I would see it like this.

1) Bron
2) Bosh
3) Amare
4) JJ
5) Boozer not at max $13mil at most
6) Gay but not max $10/12mil at most.

Only Bron is a max player but 1 trough 4, & maybe 5 will get max contracts.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

UH the game started with Wade posting up Mayo for easy scores till you had to dubble team him. :confusedshrug:

it was about time. Mayo is a liability on defense especially in the post, we left him on an island against Kobe, glad we didn;t do the same with Wade. Mayo needs to train with Grover and Wade to get stronger, but another than him being a liability on D, he is playing team ball and it is resulting in wins.

[Lord Leoshes]

it was about time. Mayo is a liability on defense especially in the post, we left him on an island against Kobe, glad we didn;t do the same with Wade. Mayo needs to train with Grover and Wade to get stronger, but another than him being a liability on D, he is playing team ball and it is resulting in wins.



A, no knock, he is only in his 2nd year & can only get better. Just need to have patients with these young guys.

[liljohnnywall]

A, no knock, he is only in his 2nd year & can only get better. Just need to have patients with these young guys.

neither team is winning the championship, might be lucky to even make the playoffs. Tank to have a chance at the John Wall Sweepstakes.

[Lord Leoshes]

neither team is winning the championship, might be lucky to even make the playoffs. Tank to have a chance at the John Wall Sweepstakes.



We tried that one's & Stern fu<ked us & reworded CHI, & thats why this entire thread is here. :banghead:

[wang4three]

Firstly, have you seen the garbage unit Beasley was expected to carry? Secondly, JR Smith and Jason Terry are both better scorers then Brook Lopez.

Have you seen the "units" Brook Lopez is expected to carry? We were starting Najera and Trenton Hassell at the same time at one stretch. Bobby Simmons? And a no-pass garbage point guard like Rafer Alston? And Brook was still scoring despite defenses collapses on him since we had no shooters or scorers. JR Smith and Jason Terry are better scorers than Brook? Maybe if you think being able to shoot the 3 as the only way to score. If Brook was on the Nuggets or the Mavericks you really think they'd be looking to pass it to JR Smith or Jason Terry first? You can't be serious.


Thirdly, in the games Dwyane Wade didn't play, Beasley excelled as the primary option, almost leading the heat to a win @ the garden, a game they probably would have won if the heats retarded coach had gone to him more.
Wow for 3 games, Beasley was the primary option. Anyone can shine for 3 games and anyone can especially shine at the Knicks... so what's your point? Jarret Jack dropped like 33 points against the Knicks last year at the Garden. That also included the game winner. So is he a better scorer as Beasley? Why don't you use actual sample sizes instead of 10 minute spurts or 3 games.

[Dresta]

Have you seen the "units" Brook Lopez is expected to carry? We were starting Najera and Trenton Hassell at the same time at one stretch. Bobby Simmons? And a no-pass garbage point guard like Rafer Alston? And Brook was still scoring despite defenses collapses on him since we had no shooters or scorers. JR Smith and Jason Terry are better scorers than Brook? Maybe if you think being able to shoot the 3 as the only way to score. If Brook was on the Nuggets or the Mavericks you really think they'd be looking to pass it to JR Smith or Jason Terry first? You can't be serious.


Wow for 3 games, Beasley was the primary option. Anyone can shine for 3 games and anyone can especially shine at the Knicks... so what's your point? Jarret Jack dropped like 33 points against the Knicks last year at the Garden. That also included the game winner. So is he a better scorer as Beasley? Why don't you use actual sample sizes instead of 10 minute spurts or 3 games.
I meant the Boston Garden you fool, are they so easy to score against? I mean they're only the best defensive team in the league. Rafer Alston is better then anyone Beasley was expected to carry, lineup waqs often, Quinn, Cook, Diawara, Beasley, Anthony. He also plays with someone scoring 16ppg in CDR and has had Devin Harris half the season.

And i'll use the largest sample sizes available thanks, they're big enough.

[B-Easy]

First bad game this whole month and people are ready to pounce on him. Reality is, Mayo wouldnt be putting up the numbers he is in Memphis with this Heat team...we drag the games out the pace is slow...it benefits nobody statistically. Defense is the #1 priority, and the freedom to just take jumpshots is not the same. Still even with that said, Beasley is right on par with Mayo statistically..and hes better defensively thanks to this coaching staff.

[HiphopRelated]

oh well

[Lord Leoshes]

Beasley 28 points on 11-19, 6-6 from the line, 11 rebounds, 1ast, 1stl, 1block, & with a +/- of +18, highest on the team. :confusedshrug:

[wang4three]

I meant the Boston Garden you fool, are they so easy to score against? I mean they're only the best defensive team in the league. Rafer Alston is better then anyone Beasley was expected to carry, lineup waqs often, Quinn, Cook, Diawara, Beasley, Anthony. He also plays with someone scoring 16ppg in CDR and has had Devin Harris half the season.

And i'll use the largest sample sizes available thanks, they're big enough.

You obviously haven't seen Rafer Alston play this year. He's the reason we lost to you guys and he's the wost player on this team by far. I'd take Diawara over Rafer Alston without second thought. He's horrible.


Secondly 1 game doesn't mean anything. This league is so talented that anyone could go off. Jason Richardson scored 34 against the Celtics this year. I guess he could average 25ppg according to you too.

[plowking]

You obviously haven't seen Rafer Alston play this year. He's the reason we lost to you guys and he's the wost player on this team by far. I'd take Diawara over Rafer Alston without second thought. He's horrible.


Secondly 1 game doesn't mean anything. This league is so talented that anyone could go off. Jason Richardson scored 34 against the Celtics this year. I guess he could average 25ppg according to you too.

Right... So on a worse off team (far worse off may I add) Beasley would average approximately the same according to you?

Funny how that worked when Harris got traded to the Nets. Oh wait, it didn't.
Funny how that worked when Ariza got traded to the Rockets. Oh wait, it didn't.
Funny how that worked when Al Jefferson got traded to the Wolves. Oh wait, it didn't.

Your excuse of having Wade to take away players from him is retarded. Have you watched him at all this season? The whole time its just taking players off the dribble or creating a jumpshot for himself.

Beasley would be averaging 20+ and 10 on the Nets. Easily may I add. And you're beyond delusional thinking Brook Lopez would score more on the team if they were together.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

I've always felt OJ Mayo was the right pick before Miami even made thier selection. But I dont see how Beasley is/nor has been a mistake. A photo of him passed out after partying justifies what? Only guy that has been disappointing and a player I felt would be solid for the Heat is Mario Chalmers.

flip flopper