Von Wafer Is Tey Another NBA Player To Bust In Euroleague

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Wafer's first 3 games in Europe:

Game 1: (Euroleague)

3-5 FG
4-5 FT

10 points
4 rebounds
1 assist
1 steal
0 blocks
2 turnovers


Game 2: (Greek League)

1-4 FG
0-2 3PT FG

2 points
1 rebound
0 assists
0 steals
0 blocks
0 rebounds


Game 3: (Euroleague)

2-4 FG

4 points
2 rebounds
1 assist
0 steals
0 blocks
2 turnovers


Yet another average bench player from the NBA getting an insanely ridiculously overpaid contract from a European club that turns out to be a huge Euroleague bust. I can't believe Euroleague clubs are still giving mediocre NBA players these huge contracts when they keep becoming huge busts in the Euroleague.

[Dresta]

You get this of 3 games? 1 of which was pretty decent.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

You get this of 3 games? 1 of which was pretty decent.

Wait you mean a guy making $5 million a year NET is allowed to play like that? And if you watched the games he also played zero defense and gave up a bunch of points. He played so bad he will be lucky if he does not get cut soon.

[nbastatus]

Post the minutes he played in those 3 games.

[bdreason]

How many minutes did he get? Probably 10-15. :oldlol:

[Grinder]

Err. How about Linas Kleiza and Josh Childress?

Kleiza
Game 1 of Euroleague: 23 points (9-14) and 9 rebounds in 23 minutes
Game 1 Greek league: 24 points (8-10) and 8 rebounds in 27 minutes

Childress
Game 1 Euroleague: 15 points (7-12), 2 boards, and 2 assists
Game 1 Greek league: 17 points (5-13), 3 boards, 2 assists, a block, and a steal

Also Patrick Beverley is getting plenty of playing time, I seem to remember saying that he'd be lucky to see the court? Typical lack of bball knowledge fom you yet again.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Err. How about Linas Kleiza and Josh Childress?

Kleiza
Game 1 of Euroleague: 23 points (9-14) and 9 rebounds in 23 minutes
Game 1 Greek league: 24 points (8-10) and 8 rebounds in 27 minutes

Childress
Game 1 Euroleague: 15 points (7-12), 2 boards, and 2 assists
Game 1 Greek league: 17 points (5-13), 3 boards, 2 assists, a block, and a steal

Also Patrick Beverley is getting plenty of playing time, I seem to remember saying that he'd be lucky to see the court? Typical lack of bball knowledge fom you yet again.

LMFAO you purposely didn't post their last game stats where they sucked and lost the game. You are the single biggest joke on this forum.

[Grinder]

LMFAO you purposely didn't post their last game stats where they sucked and lost the game. You are the single biggest joke on this forum.

Jokes on you, Teodosic and Vujcic were the only Oly players to even have a decent game and yes that includes your man crushes Papaloukas and Vasilopolous.

Let me guess, Printezis is the best player on Unicaja right? :oldlol:

[qrich]

Jokes on you, Teodosic and Vujcic were the only Oly players to even have a decent game and yes that includes your man crushes Papaloukas and Vasilopolous.

Let me guess, Printezis is the best player on Unicaja right? :oldlol:

Since you seem to be the only poster on the Main Forum that watches Euro ball often, can you answer a simple question.

Is Sofo really 10x the player Kaman & Camby can ever dream of being?

[Grinder]

Since you seem to be the only poster on the Main Forum that watches Euro ball often, can you answer a simple question.

Is Sofo really 10x the player Kaman & Camby can ever dream of being?

You can pretty much take anything Lakas Fan says and determine the opposite because he's never right about anything.

If Sofo was even anywhere near as good as those guys he'd be on an NBA roster. This is the first time I've seen Sofo even able to play 20 minutes a game. If he gets to the NBA he'll be like a better version of Robert Traylor.

Lakas Fan is the same moron who said Spanoulis is as good as Chris Paul.

[Maga_1]

Sofo can make average numbers like 12/10 but he's too slow and too non-atheltic to play in NBA.
In Europe he scores all the points using his body, cause the defenders aren't athletic like Stoudemire and other guys ..

Spanoulis is good, but not good enough. You've to admittit that Spanoulis could play 20-25 minutes in NBA games in teams like Memphis, Phoenix ..

Von Wafer is adjusting to euro style, i think in January , February he will put some good numbers.. And Euroleague is a hard competition, really.

[el_locoteee]

Sofo can make average numbers like 12/10 but he's too slow and too non-atheltic to play in NBA.
In Europe he scores all the points using his body, cause the defenders aren't athletic like Stoudemire and other guys ..

Spanoulis is good, but not good enough. You've to admittit that Spanoulis could play 20-25 minutes in NBA games in teams like Memphis, Phoenix ..

Von Wafer is adjusting to euro style, i think in January , February he will put some good numbers.. And Euroleague is a hard competition, really.

I don't think Amare is the best sample for NBA defense you don't need to be athletic at all to score on Amare.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Jokes on you, Teodosic and Vujcic were the only Oly players to even have a decent game and yes that includes your man crushes Papaloukas and Vasilopolous.

Let me guess, Printezis is the best player on Unicaja right? :oldlol:

Why are you not banned yet? Your posts are amazingly bad.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Since you seem to be the only poster on the Main Forum that watches Euro ball often, can you answer a simple question.

Is Sofo really 10x the player Kaman & Camby can ever dream of being?

He has NEVER in his life seen a Euroleague game. You can't be serious. He's literally wrong every time he posts. There are NUMEROUS fans here who watch Euroleague. Grinder is not one of them.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Sofo can make average numbers like 12/10 but he's too slow and too non-atheltic to play in NBA.
In Europe he scores all the points using his body, cause the defenders aren't athletic like Stoudemire and other guys ..

Spanoulis is good, but not good enough. You've to admittit that Spanoulis could play 20-25 minutes in NBA games in teams like Memphis, Phoenix ..

Von Wafer is adjusting to euro style, i think in January , February he will put some good numbers.. And Euroleague is a hard competition, really.

Name me 10 NBA point guards better than Spanoulis. Seriously. If you actually watch Euroleague then you should know that you can't name 10 better than him.

[InspiredLebowski]

I value Grinder's posts in the Draft Forum pretty highly in regard to foreign prospects. I have a lot of posts, so you should also.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

I value Grinder's posts in the Draft Forum pretty highly in regard to foreign prospects. I have a lot of posts, so you should also.

Well you should stop valuing them. I am 100% positive he has never seen a Euroleague game in his life.

[InspiredLebowski]

Well you should stop valuing them. I am 100% positive he has never seen a Euroleague game in his life.

Do you like the NBA? That's not meant to be snarky, just curious.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Do you like the NBA? That's not meant to be snarky, just curious.

Of course. I'm a Lakers fan and a Kobe fan but I'm also an NBA fan in general. But the fact is that Grinder acts like he knows all about European basketball and yet from his comments it's pretty clear he knows nothing at all about it.

I wouldn't say I know more about Euro ball than NBA, it's about 50/50. I follow both leagues closely. But certainly Grinder is way off on most of his comments about Euro players at least in the forums and posts I've seen. I guess I should see what he posts in the draft forum, but I'm fairly sure it's probably mostly wrong.

[InspiredLebowski]

Of course. I'm a Lakers fan and a Kobe fan but I'm also an NBA fan in general. But the fact is that Grinder acts like he knows all about European basketball and yet from his comments it's pretty clear he knows nothing at all about it.

I wouldn't say I know more about Euro ball than NBA, it's about 50/50. I follow both leagues closely. But certainly Grinder is way off on most of his comments about Euro players at least in the forums and posts I've seen. I guess I should see what he posts in the draft forum, but I'm fairly sure it's probably mostly wrong.

You are a very bitter Euro. I will not be visiting your country and taking a loss on the money transfer, even with the money I'd save by not tipping.

[G-train]

Von Wafer will be cut eventually. He has no idea how to play properly.

[KubiliusF]

i watched that game unicaja - olympiacos and i can say that greek coach is not good one. They have kleiza , von wafer , childress , ionnis borrousis ( smth like that ) and they did sucked against good but not on par with they`re roster unicaja..... vafer looked like a solid player just that coach cant use his whole potential :)

[Pharcyde]

In 3 damn games.

[artificial]

Just to note: I think highly of Grinder regarding euros and I don't have too many posts (high Lebowsky :D)

And I do not take anything Lakas says seriously. That's the decision I've taken after taking the time to google some of the stuff he posts. But I still get an occasional laugh when I read his threads.

[HylianNightmare]

give him more than 3 games...

[Xsatyr]

Name me 10 NBA point guards better than Spanoulis. Seriously. If you actually watch Euroleague then you should know that you can't name 10 better than him.

I think any pg who can average more assist than turnovers is better than Vspan. I do not care what he does in another league, he was getting outplayed by John Lucas III here.

[Maga_1]

Name me 10 NBA point guards better than Spanoulis. Seriously. If you actually watch Euroleague then you should know that you can't name 10 better than him.

In Euroleague, i don't think that there are 3 best pg's better than Spanoulis.
But in NBA i can say some ..

[Maga_1]

Lakas know a lot of european basketball, it's the true and Grinder know a lot too.
But Lakas always write his posts, with a arrogant attitude. You got to change that men . I'm young, and i'm european and i know many things but i don't write like you .

[qrich]

He has NEVER in his life seen a Euroleague game. You can't be serious. He's literally wrong every time he posts. There are NUMEROUS fans here who watch Euroleague. Grinder is not one of them.

Even if what you say is true, I'm just looking for someone to answer a simple question, which you keep avoiding for some reason. So until you are able to answer it, I'll take everything Grinder and Maga say over you.

[Maga_1]

Even if what you say is true, I'm just looking for someone to answer a simple question, which you keep avoiding for some reason. So until you are able to answer it, I'll take everything Grinder and Maga say over you.


What question?
Just curious ..

[qrich]

What question?
Just curious ..

He made the claim that Sofo is 10 times the player Kaman & Camby have ever been/can ever dream of being, and I keep asking him why he thinks that and what Sofo does so well to deserve that kind of hype and he just turns around calling me an idiot and such, but fails to back his claim up.

[Maga_1]

He made the claim that Sofo is 10 times the player Kaman & Camby have ever been/can ever dream of being, and I keep asking him why he thinks that and what Sofo does so well to deserve that kind of hype and he just turns around calling me an idiot and such, but fails to back his claim up.

I don't think Sofo is better than Camby and Kaman but we never knew what Sofo could do in NBA, cause he never played there.

I think he's undersized to play the C position in NBA and too slow to play in PF.
He is a guy like Craig Smith i think, but a little bit better cause he's more inteligent and know how to play with his body.
In NBA he could play like 10 min, in a Rockets or Phoenix team.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Lakas know a lot of european basketball, it's the true and Grinder know a lot too.
But Lakas always write his posts, with a arrogant attitude. You got to change that men . I'm young, and i'm european and i know many things but i don't write like you .

We seem to generally agree on most Euro basketball issues. The only thing I disagree with you on is Rubio. I am sorry but Rubio is very overrated.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

I don't think Sofo is better than Camby and Kaman but we never knew what Sofo could do in NBA, cause he never played there.

I think he's undersized to play the C position in NBA and too slow to play in PF.
He is a guy like Craig Smith i think, but a little bit better cause he's more inteligent and know how to play with his body.
In NBA he could play like 10 min, in a Rockets or Phoenix team.

WTF? No one in the NBA can guard Sofo.

[BankShot]

Typical ISH. Making drastic assumptions after three games worth of BOXSCORES from games they didn't even watch. :rolleyes:

[Maga_1]

WTF? No one in the NBA can guard Sofo.

Second thing we disagree :roll:
I don't think that, he's too undersized for the C position.
Do you know Craig Smith of LA Clippers right? They got the same body, if your opinion is about the body thing.

[Chuck Thou NBA]

Von Wafer Is Tey Another NBA Player To Bust In Euroleague

what the **** does this even mean.

****ing foreigners. :banghead:

[brantonli]

Personally I'm very interested in how you managed to spell the word 'Yet' backwards.

[Maga_1]

Chuck and Brantoli ..
You don't know anything about euro basketball don't you? So you come to this thread to joke with one mistake that Lakas wrote.

[kaktus14]

Spanoulis is God in European basketball,but in NBA relations he is mediocre player,to put him as TOP 10 of anything in NBA terms is a joke.

Sofo's myth was made based on one game against USA,but in NBA he will not have Paploukas,and he isn't even a factor in European basketball,so chances he will have any kind of impact in NBA are minimal,but I would like to see how he will do in NBA.

Vafer first needs to learn how basketball is played in Europe,and that are more things to this game then just shooting threes and trying to dunk the ball,it's too early to tell how he will do,but I think Yannakis doesn't like him very much,and with Beverly playing good and Tedosic having breakout year,Vafer minutes could be very limited.

I don't know why Oly signed him in the first place,there are plenty of SG in Europe which for me are better then him,Jaaber for example

[JayGuevara]

I didn't see the games, but can you really come to a conclusion on a player after three games with a new team, new teammates, coaches, systems, and adjusting to all the differences between the NBA and Europe? Not to mention potential language and cultural barriers and being in a whole new world basically (I've never been anywhere in Europe, but I have to imagine the hoods that I know and a lot of these cats come from are just a lil different than the areas a highly paid imported athlete hangs out in over there) and etc etc.

Do you make threads when Europeans come to the NBA as rookies and don't put MVP numbers in their first three games? I'd look up some but I don't feel it's necessary, and would be a waste of my time. You can look like a jackass without me taking time outta my day to look up box scores.

[LilKateMoss]

LMFAO you purposely didn't post their last game stats where they sucked and lost the game. You are the single biggest joke on this forum.

Says the moron who's always wrong about pretty much everything regarding european basketball. Your greek fetish and your outlandish claims make you laughable.

[Maga_1]

Do you make threads when Europeans come to the NBA as rookies and don't put MVP numbers in their first three games? I'd look up some but I don't feel it's necessary, and would be a waste of my time. You can look like a jackass without me taking time outta my day to look up box scores.


But, don't the americans always argue that the europeans "rising stars" are worst than the 2nd unit players in NBA?
It as to be a 50/50 opinion, don't you think?

[qrich]

I don't think Sofo is better than Camby and Kaman but we never knew what Sofo could do in NBA, cause he never played there.

I think he's undersized to play the C position in NBA and too slow to play in PF.
He is a guy like Craig Smith i think, but a little bit better cause he's more inteligent and know how to play with his body.
In NBA he could play like 10 min, in a Rockets or Phoenix team.

You say he can play 10 minutes, this guy says he's 10x the player Kaman/Camby ever were (Kaman put up 16/13 and Camby is a former DPOY!). Then he turns around and says you don't know squat. Pretty obvious who I'm going to believe.

And if he's a slightly better version of Craig Smith, we better not give him a contract more than the minimum

[Maga_1]

You say he can play 10 minutes, this guy says he's 10x the player Kaman/Camby ever were (Kaman put up 16/13 and Camby is a former DPOY!). Then he turns around and says you don't know squat. Pretty obvious who I'm going to believe.

And if he's a slightly better version of Craig Smith, we better not give him a contract more than the minimum

That's just my opinion, i'm not a true expert i just see a lot of worldwide basketball.
Sofo can at is maximum, 8/5 or something just like that.
He's got a bigger basketball IQ than Smith :lol

[JayGuevara]

But, don't the americans always argue that the europeans "rising stars" are worst than the 2nd unit players in NBA?
It as to be a 50/50 opinion, don't you think?

Well you got dumb cats on both sides. Personally I reserve judgment until I can see how they produce after getting acclimated to the different games. Cuz I had thought Sarunas Jakovasaur (I have absolutely no idea how to even pretend to spell his last name, so I'm rollin with that) would be a valuable addition for the Pacers when he came over, and you saw how that worked out.

Also there was no real backup point in Golden State when he was there, Baron Davis missed a buncha games, and he still didn't get any minutes. So he burned me. :oldlol:

[brantonli]

Chuck and Brantoli ..
You don't know anything about euro basketball don't you? So you come to this thread to joke with one mistake that Lakas wrote.

I'll admit, my post was the first thing I thought of the moment I saw the thread title. And no I don't know a thing about euro bball (but I'm not surprised Wafer isn't putting up superstar numbers).

[Maga_1]

Well you got dumb cats on both sides. Personally I reserve judgment until I can see how they produce after getting acclimated to the different games. Cuz I had thought Sarunas Jakovasaur (I have absolutely no idea how to even pretend to spell his last name, so I'm rollin with that) would be a valuable addition for the Pacers when he came over, and you saw how that worked out.

Also there was no real backup point in Golden State when he was there, Baron Davis missed a buncha games, and he still didn't get any minutes. So he burned me. :oldlol:

In that point you're correct, for sure.
Jasikevicius can't adjust to NBA type of game, but if you saw the Eurobasket's and Worldbasket's , Jasikevicius put it some good numbers against any world team.
Jasikevicius is too slow to play the NBA type of game, he's too tactic understand me?
I think if Papaloukas went to the NBA he would end like him.

Wafer have to adjust, just like Childress .. One year playing just some minutes and next season i think he could explod too several numbers.

[Maga_1]

I'll admit, my post was the first thing I thought of the moment I saw the thread title. And no I don't know a thing about euro bball (but I'm not surprised Wafer isn't putting up superstar numbers).

Why you isn't surprise?

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Typical ISH. Making drastic assumptions after three games worth of BOXSCORES from games they didn't even watch. :rolleyes:

Yes that would be everyone in the thread that defended his play so far.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Second thing we disagree :roll:
I don't think that, he's too undersized for the C position.
Do you know Craig Smith of LA Clippers right? They got the same body, if your opinion is about the body thing.

Sofo is 6-10 315. He's way bigger than Craig Smith.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Spanoulis is God in European basketball,but in NBA relations he is mediocre player,to put him as TOP 10 of anything in NBA terms is a joke.



Yes Spanoulis is God in European basketball. To me the point is not joke of how good he could be in the NBA. If he was given a fair chance in the NBA he would be better than Parker is.

[KubiliusF]

Yes Spanoulis is God in European basketball. To me the point is not joke of how good he could be in the NBA. If he was given a fair chance in the NBA he would be better than Parker is.

:wtf:

[Lakas Fan Yo]

I'll admit, my post was the first thing I thought of the moment I saw the thread title. And no I don't know a thing about euro bball (but I'm not surprised Wafer isn't putting up superstar numbers).

Superstar numbers? Look, Childress is abouit the 6-8 best player on Olympiacos. Last year Pargo was nothing but a complete scrub at the Greek League level. Wafer is a decent role player on offense that plays zero defense.

I am sorry, but the typical NBA fan greatly exaggerates the level of average NBA players compared to the level of average Euroleague players. Wafer could never be a superstar in Euroleague. He's nowhere near that good or talented.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

:wtf:


Anyone with basketball knowledge knows that Spanoulis is much better than most NBA players. He's a special case. He's far more talented than any player in Europe. He could certainly be a big star in the NBA but he was ruined by Van Gundy.

Spanoulis is as good as Nash on offense and the difference is he plays very good defense. His game is not even suited for Europe. He's an NBA type player and would actually do much better in the NBA with consistent playing time.

This forum has NBA only fans and some fan boys from Europe that argue over guys like Navarro, Rubio, Sofo, etc. Well you can argue all you want about guys of the level of talent. But not about Spanoulis. His talent level is huge. He could be an elite NBA player. But he got in a fight with his NBA coach and now NBA fans and European fans won't give him any credit. All things considered Spanoulis is even better than Williams or Paul.

[KubiliusF]

your hate for black players is over the top

[Lakas Fan Yo]

your hate for black players is over the top

You must be a racist. Take your racist posts out of this forum.

[KubiliusF]

You must be a racist. Take your racist posts out of this forum.

yeah really . your main objective on these forums as i`ve witnessed is to claim some euro guys if given a chance would be superstars overseas in nba , second point to prove that none of the nba guys deserve to play in some euro teams cause there are vastly better euro`s with better basketball iq , defense , offense everything , like Josh childress you just said he`s 6-8 best guy on the team , hell i`m from europe and from country where basketball is very popular - and i know fairly well about euroleague , greek league , italian , spain you name it.. I dont know discussing with you is not even possible as simple as that you are simply a idiot and a euro trash.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Wafer's 4th game:

Greek League:

2-4 FG
0-1 FT

4 points
0 rebounds
0 assists
0 steals
0 blocks
1 turnover

Random ISHoopers: "It's just 4 games, don't worry he will dominate for sure".

[Lakas Fan Yo]

It has begun. Wafer was benched for the entire game, getting the DNP-CD. The coach simply said it was because the rest of the players play better than him in games and in practice. The real insult for Von was that Childress wasn't even available in this game and he still didn't play.

[chains5000]

Wafer's 4th game:

Greek League:

2-4 FG
0-1 FT

4 points
0 rebounds
0 assists
0 steals
0 blocks
1 turnover

Random ISHoopers: "It's just 4 games, don't worry he will dominate for sure".
It's time people realize NBA and FIBA basketball aren't the same. I won't say they're different sports, obviously, but the differences are there.

[ElPigto]

It has begun. Wafer was benched for the entire game, getting the DNP-CD. The coach simply said it was because the rest of the players play better than him in games and in practice. The real insult for Von was that Childress wasn't even available in this game and he still didn't play.

Whoever thought Wafer would be successful overthere was kidding themselves.

-Selfish player - check
-No defense - check
-Team player - unchecked
-versatility - unchecked

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Whoever thought Wafer would be successful overthere was kidding themselves.

-Selfish player - check
-No defense - check
-Team player - unchecked
-versatility - unchecked

Sad for Von but this is true. He's very athletic with a good jump shot and could be an exciting player if he put in the effort. He has the ability to play defense and he could try to be a team player. But instead he hogs the ball, plays stupidly and never defends. Hard to believe he's about to blow $10 million in the Euroleague.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

It's time people realize NBA and FIBA basketball aren't the same. I won't say they're different sports, obviously, but the differences are there.

It's true. The main difference is that in the Euroleague you have to play defense and pass the ball and play as a team player. In the NBA you have to fit into the particular scheme (as in personal preference) of the coach of your team and "fill your role". But unfortunately most NBA fans still believe that any undrafted NCAA player "dominates the Euroleague".

[Cermet]

LMFAO you purposely didn't post their last game stats where they sucked and lost the game. You are the single biggest joke on this forum.

Linas Kleiza is from Lithuania. So he is used to play Europe basketball and Wafer is not. NBA and Euroleague are very different if you look deeply.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Linas Kleiza is from Lithuania. So he is used to play Europe basketball and Wafer is not. NBA and Euroleague are very different if you look deeply.

Kleiza is a good rebounder and he can score and shoot. But he's not doing all that great either IMO. He hogs the ball and takes a lot of bad shots and he's a very inefficient scorer so far. But he's doing way better than Wafer and it's basically just because Wafer does not seem to grasp that you have to at least defend and pass the ball once in awhile.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Wafer's 5th game:

Greek League:

1-3 FG
1-1 3 PT FG
0-0 FT

3 points
3 rebounds
0 assists
0 steals
0 blocks
0 turnovers

What a great $10 million investment for Olympiacos.

[noob cake]

Wafer's 5th game:

Greek League:

1-3 FG
1-1 3 PT FG
0-0 FT

3 points
3 rebounds
0 assists
0 steals
0 blocks
0 turnovers

What a great $10 million investment for Olympiacos.

I frankly don't think they care about the 10m. One of the biggest sport clubs in Greece.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

I frankly don't think they care about the 10m. One of the biggest sport clubs in Greece.

You mean one of the biggest in the world. They have more money than 90% of NBA teams.

[Hyman]

Spanoulis is not a PG. He is a SG.

He doesnt handle the ball well enough for being a PG and thats the reason why he has so many TO. The PG in his team is Diamantidis, who is, by far, a better player than Spanoulis. Spanoulis is good making dishes and driving into the basket. But he lacks handling skills for playing at backcourt in NBA, he is TO prone and physically he is to weak and short for playing SG, which is his position. His shooting hability is also quite avreage

Moreover he is not a super-prolific scorer like Navarro can be an no way the shooter the spaniard is. Spanoulis difficultly can score you more than 25 points a match. Navarro does it quite often.

Spanoulis would be one of the worst PG in NBA. Mainly because he is not a PG. Diamantidis is far, far better than him and he is a PG

[Xsatyr]

Spanoulis is not a PG. He is a SG.

He doesnt handle the ball well enough for being a PG and thats the reason why he has so many TO. The PG in his team is Diamantidis, who is, by far, a better player than Spanoulis. Spanoulis is good making dishes and driving into the basket. But he lacks handling skills for playing at backcourt in NBA, he is TO prone and physically he is to weak and short for playing SG, which is his position. His shooting hability is also quite avreage

Moreover he is not a super-prolific scorer like Navarro can be an no way the shooter the spaniard is. Spanoulis difficultly can score you more than 25 points a match. Navarro does it quite often.

Spanoulis would be one of the worst PG in NBA. Mainly because he is not a PG. Diamantidis is far, far better than him and he is a PG

Vspan has good handles, he is just careless with the ball by making stupid decisions and chaotic passes. He is definitely not much of a sg, not his game.

[Hyman]

Vspan has good handles, he is just careless with the ball by making stupid decisions and chaotic passes. He is definitely not much of a sg, not his game.

Spanoulis is not much of a SG? Have u ever seen Spanoulis play outside the NBA?

In Panathinaikos the PG are Diamantidis, Jasikevicius and since this year Nick Calathes. Spanoulis never plays as a PG, mainly because he doesnt know. He does not control the tempo of the match, its just not his role on a court

In the greek national team the PG are Diamantidis, Papaloukas or Zisis. Spanoulis is completely a SG, I wouldn even say he is a combo guard. If NBA want to make him play as a PG because of his size, that doesnt mean he is that

Ocasionally in the last Eurobasket, because of the injuries of Diamantidis and Papaloukas, Spanoulis played some minutes as a PG and it just proved that it is not his position, with lots of turnovers, mistakes and not making better his teamates at any moment. He was the only one scoring the points

As I've said im european, im tired of watching european basket and euroleague, and Spanoulis is a pure SG. Not even a combo guard. Diamantidis, the his team mate playing at Panathinaiokos, is a PG and as I've said massively better than him. Physically, defensively, in leadership... IMO he is a player totally ready for being a starter in 23 NBA teams

[Xsatyr]

Yes I have seen him play outside the NBA and he is not much of a sg. I would say a tweener is more accurate bc he cant shoot but he attempts to play the point. The games I saw him he was not good playing off the ball.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Spanoulis is not a PG. He is a SG.

He doesnt handle the ball well enough for being a PG and thats the reason why he has so many TO. The PG in his team is Diamantidis, who is, by far, a better player than Spanoulis. Spanoulis is good making dishes and driving into the basket. But he lacks handling skills for playing at backcourt in NBA, he is TO prone and physically he is to weak and short for playing SG, which is his position. His shooting hability is also quite avreage

Moreover he is not a super-prolific scorer like Navarro can be an no way the shooter the spaniard is. Spanoulis difficultly can score you more than 25 points a match. Navarro does it quite often.

Spanoulis would be one of the worst PG in NBA. Mainly because he is not a PG. Diamantidis is far, far better than him and he is a PG

Spanoulis played point guard all year for Panathinaikos last year. Starting point guard. he also plays starting point guard this year. Diamantidis is either a 6th man PG/SG off the bench, or a starting SG or starting SF. Obviously you have never in your life seen a Panathinaikos game and are just making up nonsense.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Spanoulis is not much of a SG? Have u ever seen Spanoulis play outside the NBA?

In Panathinaikos the PG are Diamantidis, Jasikevicius and since this year Nick Calathes. Spanoulis never plays as a PG, mainly because he doesnt know. He does not control the tempo of the match, its just not his role on a court

In the greek national team the PG are Diamantidis, Papaloukas or Zisis. Spanoulis is completely a SG, I wouldn even say he is a combo guard. If NBA want to make him play as a PG because of his size, that doesnt mean he is that

Ocasionally in the last Eurobasket, because of the injuries of Diamantidis and Papaloukas, Spanoulis played some minutes as a PG and it just proved that it is not his position, with lots of turnovers, mistakes and not making better his teamates at any moment. He was the only one scoring the points

As I've said im european, im tired of watching european basket and euroleague, and Spanoulis is a pure SG. Not even a combo guard. Diamantidis, the his team mate playing at Panathinaiokos, is a PG and as I've said massively better than him. Physically, defensively, in leadership... IMO he is a player totally ready for being a starter in 23 NBA teams

Not only was Spanoulis the starting point guard last year for Panathinaikos and also this year, he was also the starting point guard for the Greek national team. Diamantidis plays as a SG or SF mainly and was not even on the national team this summer. Calathes also plays for Panathinaikos and he is a backup SG. On the Greek national team he was Spanoulis' backup at PG.

You can stop making up lies any time.

[artificial]

Spanoulis is not much of a SG? Have u ever seen Spanoulis play outside the NBA?

In Panathinaikos the PG are Diamantidis, Jasikevicius and since this year Nick Calathes. Spanoulis never plays as a PG, mainly because he doesnt know. He does not control the tempo of the match, its just not his role on a court

In the greek national team the PG are Diamantidis, Papaloukas or Zisis. Spanoulis is completely a SG, I wouldn even say he is a combo guard. If NBA want to make him play as a PG because of his size, that doesnt mean he is that

Ocasionally in the last Eurobasket, because of the injuries of Diamantidis and Papaloukas, Spanoulis played some minutes as a PG and it just proved that it is not his position, with lots of turnovers, mistakes and not making better his teamates at any moment. He was the only one scoring the points

As I've said im european, im tired of watching european basket and euroleague, and Spanoulis is a pure SG. Not even a combo guard. Diamantidis, the his team mate playing at Panathinaiokos, is a PG and as I've said massively better than him. Physically, defensively, in leadership... IMO he is a player totally ready for being a starter in 23 NBA teams
Ignore the other punk. He is so obsessed with his opinions, he simply isn't worth it.

For the couple of times I saw V-Span play, I recall that he did seem to have nice passing skills, but not so much playmaking skills. Then again, it were just a couple of games I saw.

I always wanted to see Diamantidis play in the NBA. The guy is an absolute beast on the defensive end. Unfortunatley, I don't think he is interested in going to the US.

[Hyman]

Spanoulis played point guard all year for Panathinaikos last year. Starting point guard. he also plays starting point guard this year. Diamantidis is either a 6th man PG/SG off the bench, or a starting SG or starting SF. Obviously you have never in your life seen a Panathinaikos game and are just making up nonsense.

You just not have any idea of european basket. Or who Spanoulis is

But dont try to make your ignorance extensible to the other people. Spanoulis can play ocassionaly as a PG. But he is a true SG. Diamantidis is the PG of Panathinaikos since ages. In the greek NT, Spanoulis only plays as a PG if Papaloukas or Diamantidis, who are the true PG and by far better players than him, are injured, which was the case

Spanoulis is not a playmaker and his handling skills for playing back court at NBA level are quite questionable. Diamantidis a SG/SF and Spanoulis a PG. Hahaha, and then you dare me say that I have never watch Panathinaikos when you probably think that Kirilenko is a better player than Bodiroga or you have difficulties for naming me 10 players that play in Europe without looking to wikipedia. Would you consider Iverson, or Ellis or Jamal Crawford to be PG? They are just SG in the body of a PG.

The same happens with Spanoulis. He is a SG and in NBA he would be forced to play as a PG, because of his lack of size, which is not his natural position. Spanoulis for me is the perfect example of not NBA player. Totally the opposite to Diamantidis, his team mate at PAO and the Greek NT

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Spanoulis plays POINT GUARD for Panathinaikos you liar. Hyman stop with your lies.

Panathinaikos OFFICIAL WEBSITE: (his Euroleague team where he plays POINT GUARD)

http://www.paobc.gr/player.php?category_id=124&player_id=832&period_id=0

Full Name: Vassilis Spanoulis
Position: Play Maker

FIBA OFFICIAL WEBSITE: (where he plays POINT GUARD for the Greek national team)

http://www.eurobasket2009.org/en/cid_toT,ovGDH2EaLKL67XnPo2.playerID_35533.compID_q MRZdYCZI6EoANOrUf9le2.season_2009.roundID_6328.tea mID_291.html

Vasileios Spanoulis
Greece

Born : 07.08.1982
Place of birth: Larisa (GRE)
Nationality: GRE
Height (m): 1.92
Weight (kg): 92
Position: PG
Current club (2008/09): PANATHINAIKOS (GREECE-ESAKE)


Hyman, take your LIES off the forum. Or maybe a mod should deal with you?

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Just like Jannero Pargo was cut for poor play by Olympiacos last year, it's about to happen to Wafer too. He's just not good enough for the Euroleague level on a big club like Olympiacos.

He never passes, he never plays any defense, and he is always arguing with the coaches. He's a real bargain at $10 million.

http://www.talkbasket.net/news/giannakis-sends-von-wafer-home-2567.html

Giannakis sends Von Wafer home

Just days before crucial games such as against Partizan and Panathinaikos, Olympiacos' coach Panagiotis Giannakis told Von Wafer to leave the training of the team, according to sources of the Greek sports website Sport24.

According to Sport24 sources the player did not have a conflict with Giannakis himself but with one of the coaches and after he was told to leave he ran to the locker rooms. This comes just hours after an Olympiacos-orientated newspaper, "Protathlitis", revealed that Giannakis is seriously considering of replacing Von Wafer with Patrick Beverley for Greek domestic games, something which would mean that Von Wafer would be only used for Euroleague games.

[Harison]

Yes Spanoulis is God in European basketball. To me the point is not joke of how good he could be in the NBA. If he was given a fair chance in the NBA he would be better than Parker is.
:roll:

On the side note, I always read Lakas posts for entertainment value :oldlol: I dont know him, but my guess is - he is greek, with hardcore fanboy attitude, rarely what he says is even remotely true. Probably very young too (read: euro version of Pleezbelieve).

[Lakas Fan Yo]

:roll:

On the side note, I always read Lakas posts for entertainment value :oldlol: I dont know him, but my guess is - he is greek, with hardcore fanboy attitude, rarely what he says is even remotely true. Probably very young too (read: euro version of Pleezbelieve).

If you believe the crap Hyman posts then you are delusional.

[ronnymac]

V Bust was a disaster with us. everytime he had the ball, it was a turnover waiting to happen. he was just terrible. in the end he ran home to greece because he's mommy needed him. he got us scola so i'll thank him for that.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

V Bust was a disaster with us. everytime he had the ball, it was a turnover waiting to happen. he was just terrible. in the end he ran home to greece because he's mommy needed him. he got us scola so i'll thank him for that.

And Pargo and Wafer are cut from Greek league teams for poor play.

[ronnymac]

And Pargo and Wafer are cut from Greek league teams for poor play.
Wafer and pargo are Scrubs. whats you're point?.Them being cut dosent make V Bust any better.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Wafer and pargo are Scrubs. whats you're point?.Them being cut dosent make V Bust any better.

6th men on NBA playoff teams. Wafer on Houston and Pargo on New Orleans. Nice attempt at lies though.

[Hyman]

I insist Lakas, you have no idea.

Saying that Spanoulis is the PG and Diamantidis the SG or SF at Panathinaikos and the Greek NT, just denotes how little you know about that sport. Its the problem on basing your opinions simply on statistics or web pages without having seen them never play

By the way Von Wafer is going to be cut. Its not a surpriese. Its a player with very few fundamentals and at European top level, fundamentales are quite important. I thought he could have worked as a 3 point specialist and as an ocassional scorer but no

There have been lots of recent cases of players who have played at a better level at NBA than in Europe.

I would like to see for example the role of a player like Eddie House at top european level. I doubt he could be a starter for any team and have any role different than a 3 points specialist for some minutes

[ronnymac]

6th men on NBA playoff teams. Wafer on Houston and Pargo on New Orleans. Nice attempt at lies though.
Wafer was a one trick pony. just a jump shooter. sure he was athletic, but he was nothing special. he was'nt overley skilled, was'nt a great rebounder and he had no passing skills. just another another average nba player. dont make him out to be Jr Smith or Something. infact Chase Budinger as a Rookie is allready Twice the player Wafer ever was.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

I insist Lakas, you have no idea.

Saying that Spanoulis is the PG and Diamantidis the SG or SF at Panathinaikos and the Greek NT, just denotes how little you know about that sport. Its the problem on basing your opinions simply on statistics or web pages without having seen them never play

By the way Von Wafer is going to be cut. Its not a surpriese. Its a player with very few fundamentals and at European top level, fundamentales are quite important. I thought he could have worked as a 3 point specialist and as an ocassional scorer but no

There have been lots of recent cases of players who have played at a better level at NBA than in Europe.

I would like to see for example the role of a player like Eddie House at top european level. I doubt he could be a starter for any team and have any role different than a 3 points specialist for some minutes

You are a liar. You have never in your life watched a Panathinaikos game. Diamantidis was not even playing last year during the Euroleague playoffs because he was injured. Spanoulis led them to the Euroleague championship and was the MVP of the playoffs. And Diamantidis was injured.

You are clearly a troll and a liar. I will ignore you as you are obviously a troll.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Wafer was a one trick pony. just a jump shooter. sure he was athletic, but he was nothing special. he was'nt overley skilled, was'nt a great rebounder and he had no passing skills. just another another average nba player. dont make him out to be Jr Smith or Something. infact Chase Budinger as a Rookie is allready Twice the player Wafer ever was.

Yes AVERAGE NBA player. Just like Childress, etc. Spanoulis is 10 times better than all of them in Europe. Yet you claim he could not play in the NBA. You either have no logic or you are a hater.

[ronnymac]

Yes AVERAGE NBA player. Just like Childress, etc. Spanoulis is 10 times better than all of them in Europe. Yet you claim he could not play in the NBA. You either have no logic or you are a hater.
I watched him in houston. i watched every minute he played. he was a terrible and i mean terrible shooter.you could give him all the open looks in the worl and it would make no difference. not only that, he was also a mega turnover machine and was a cry baby to boot. V Bust=garbage. the only good thing about him was that Obese guy who used to sit in the front row with a greek flag at every game. that guy was hillarious. btw, it was'nt you was it?

[Lakas Fan Yo]

I watched him in houston. i watched every minute he played. he was a terrible and i mean terrible shooter.you could give him all the open looks in the worl and it would make no difference. not only that, he was also a mega turnover machine and was a cry baby to boot. V Bust=garbage. the only good thing about him was that Obese guy who used to sit in the front row with a greek flag at every game. that guy was hillarious. btw, it was'nt you was it?

Funny how he is so much better in Euroleague than numerous players that were 6th men on NBA playoff teams. Those guys plus Giricek, Nachbar, etc. He is FAR better than all of them. Once again, you either are a hater or you lack basic logic to say he could not play in the NBA.

You seem to grasp Wafer's weaknesses and how that would cause issues so clearly you are not lacking in basketball knowledge or so it would seem anyway in logic. So therefore you are simply a hater.

[Hyman]

I watched him in houston. i watched every minute he played. he was a terrible and i mean terrible shooter.you could give him all the open looks in the worl and it would make no difference. not only that, he was also a mega turnover machine and was a cry baby to boot. V Bust=garbage. the only good thing about him was that Obese guy who used to sit in the front row with a greek flag at every game. that guy was hillarious. btw, it was'nt you was it?

Spanoulis is a good player at European level, never at NBA

Just look Navarro. He is quite more talented than him, probably the best offensive player in Europe and he didnt settled at Memphis

As I've said, Spanoulis is not a PG. He can play ocassionally there, but he is defininetely a SG. The problem he has is that due to his size and weight, he is going to be forced to play at NBA as a PG, position where he is turnover prone, as he is not a playmaker and his handling skills are questionable for playing at NBA at this position. He is good at dishing and driving into the basket and defensively at European level is also good. But as I've said, his long range shoot is very inconsistent and I really dont see him having an impact at NBA

I've read he could be a Calderon and in my opinion, no way. Calderon is physically very strong, he is a pure PG, a playmaker and uses to take always good decisions, losing very little posessions

For me as I've said Spanoulis is the best example of a player that can be very good at FIBA basketbal and horrible at NBA level. Because of his physicall, he cannot play as SG and he doesnt feel cormftable on the court. Moreover his long range shot is already inconsistent in Europe, and this problem turns bigger at NBA where the distance from the 3 point line to the basket is much bigger

I would say 20 european players before Spanoulis if I had to bet for one to have future at NBA

[Hyman]

Spanoulis is no way better than Navarro, who is the player he could be compared to for their importance in Europe and their physical similarities

Navarro is a better offensive talent than Kill Bill, he is a better scorer, a better shooter and quite a clutch player and he couldn really do it at Memphis. For players with like Navarro and Spanoulis is very difficult to make it in NBA. They are SG in the body of PG and u cannot make it at NBA unless you are call Allen Iverson

Rigaudeau was also a supertalent at Europe, of the same level if not bigger than Spanoulis and he didnt do nothing at NBA. The same as Macijauskas, who prior to his injury was a scoring machine at Europe and the best player of a team that had Calderon, Nocioni or Scola in their roster

[PistonsFan#21]

Name me 10 NBA point guards better than Spanoulis. Seriously. If you actually watch Euroleague then you should know that you can't name 10 better than him.

Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Chauncey Billups, Tony Parker, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Brandon Jennings, Derrick Rose, Andre Miller, Devin Harris, Rajon Rondo, Jameer Nelson.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Spanoulis is a good player at European level, never at NBA

Just look Navarro. He is quite more talented than him, probably the best offensive player in Europe and he didnt settled at Memphis

As I've said, Spanoulis is not a PG. He can play ocassionally there, but he is defininetely a SG. The problem he has is that due to his size and weight, he is going to be forced to play at NBA as a PG, position where he is turnover prone, as he is not a playmaker and his handling skills are questionable for playing at NBA at this position. He is good at dishing and driving into the basket and defensively at European level is also good. But as I've said, his long range shoot is very inconsistent and I really dont see him having an impact at NBA

I've read he could be a Calderon and in my opinion, no way. Calderon is physically very strong, he is a pure PG, a playmaker and uses to take always good decisions, losing very little posessions

For me as I've said Spanoulis is the best example of a player that can be very good at FIBA basketbal and horrible at NBA level. Because of his physicall, he cannot play as SG and he doesnt feel cormftable on the court. Moreover his long range shot is already inconsistent in Europe, and this problem turns bigger at NBA where the distance from the 3 point line to the basket is much bigger

I would say 20 european players before Spanoulis if I had to bet for one to have future at NBA

You are a troll and a liar. You have NEVER in your life seen a Euroleague game.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Chauncey Billups, Tony Parker, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Brandon Jennings, Derrick Rose, Andre Miller, Devin Harris, Rajon Rondo, Jameer Nelson.

:lol :oldlol: :roll: :hammerhead: what a joke

[Hyman]

Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Chauncey Billups, Tony Parker, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Brandon Jennings, Derrick Rose, Andre Miller, Devin Harris, Rajon Rondo, Jameer Nelson.

Calderon, Baron Davis, Westbrook, Aaron Brooks, Maurice Williams, Gilbert Arenas...

[Pharcyde]

Funny how he is so much better in Euroleague than numerous players that were 6th men on NBA playoff teams.

2 of them where one was an over used "spark plug" chucker that averages low percentages, and the other that had 1 solid year when he had 19 minutes a game? He might be better in Euroleague, but he sure as hell wasn't good in the NBA.

[chains5000]

Navarro is a better offensive talent than Kill Bill, he is a better scorer, a better shooter and quite a clutch player and he couldn really do it at Memphis. For players with like Navarro and Spanoulis is very difficult to make it in NBA. They are SG in the body of PG and u cannot make it at NBA unless you are call Allen Iverson
:applause:
Navarro's rookie season is underrated.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Spanoulis is no way better than Navarro, who is the player he could be compared to for their importance in Europe and their physical similarities

Navarro is a better offensive talent than Kill Bill, he is a better scorer, a better shooter and quite a clutch player and he couldn really do it at Memphis. For players with like Navarro and Spanoulis is very difficult to make it in NBA. They are SG in the body of PG and u cannot make it at NBA unless you are call Allen Iverson

Rigaudeau was also a supertalent at Europe, of the same level if not bigger than Spanoulis and he didnt do nothing at NBA. The same as Macijauskas, who prior to his injury was a scoring machine at Europe and the best player of a team that had Calderon, Nocioni or Scola in their roster

You are an even bigger poser on Euro ball than Grinder. Kudos.

[Hyman]

You are a troll and a liar. You have NEVER in your life seen a Euroleague game.

Quite weird when Im spanish, a Barcelona fan and I go to the arena every Euroleague match that is played at home

[Lakas Fan Yo]

:applause:
Navarro's rookie season is underrated.

Navarro could easily be a 6th man in many NBA teams. This Hyman guy is a serious troll. I have not seen such trolling in a while.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Calderon, Baron Davis, Westbrook, Aaron Brooks, Maurice Williams...

You obviously are trolling. Stay out of this topic or get reported.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Quite weird when Im spanish, a Barcelona fan and I go to the arena every Euroleague match that is played at home

You are NOT Spanish. No way in hell have you ever seen a Euroleague game in your entire life.

[chains5000]

Navarro could easily be a 6th man in many NBA teams. This Hyman guy is a serious troll. I have not seen such trolling in a while.
Well, I agree with him in that Navarro doesn't fit a normal NBA position.
He's clearly an SG that has to play as PG in the NBA.

[Hyman]

You are NOT Spanish. No way in hell have you ever seen a Euroleague game in your entire life.

Jajaja.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Well, I agree with him in that Navarro doesn't fit a normal NBA position.
He's clearly an SG that has to play as PG in the NBA.

No he is not. He is perfect to be a 6th man. Are you saying Ben Gordon could not play in the NBA? He does not have to play as a point guard at all. Does anyone here in this thread even watch basketball? The trolls can get out.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

[QUOTE=Hyman]Jajaja.

[chains5000]

[QUOTE=Hyman]Jajaja.

[Hyman]

Well, I agree with him in that Navarro doesn't fit a normal NBA position.
He's clearly an SG that has to play as PG in the NBA.

Exactly the same as Spanoulis. They are physically very similar

Only that, as I've said, Navarro is quite a better offensive talent than the greek

Macijauskas was an amazing guy before his injuries, a better offensive talent than Spanoulis and a totally dominating guy at Spain (he shared team with Calderon, Nocioni and Scola) and in NBA he didnt do nothing

[artificial]

This is why I love Lakas.

His arguments ALWAYS come up to "You're a liar" :oldlol:

El pendejo no tiene idea de lo que dice, pero es en realidad testarudo (e imb

[Hyman]

No he is not. He is perfect to be a 6th man. Are you saying Ben Gordon could not play in the NBA? He does not have to play as a point guard at all. Does anyone here in this thread even watch basketball? The trolls can get out.

Navarro is perfect to be a 6th man at a team like Memphis, come on!

I have watched more than 500 matches than Navarro, since he was 18 years old. He plays in my team and in NBA he is just a defensive liability. Of course ha can score points, because he is a great offensive talent (quite now the biggest one in Europe by a margin) but he cant play as SG at NBA playoff level. Physically just he cant

[Lakas Fan Yo]

This is why I love Lakas.

His arguments ALWAYS come up to "You're a liar" :oldlol:

Hyman is not Spanish. He has NEVER seen a Euroleague game in his life. He is not only a troll, he's also ban worthy. He will be reported on from now on because he's doing things that should get him banned.

[Hyman]

I am reporting you for thread hijacking and trolling.

I dont know what are u reporting me for.

I gave my opinion. If the fact that Im spanish and I've watched hundreds of Euroleague matches, because im from Barcelona and have the euroleague pass for the home matches annoys you, is not my problem

[Lakas Fan Yo]

I dont know what are u reporting me for.

I gave my opinion. If the fact that Im spanish and I've watched hundreds of Euroleague matches, because im from Barcelona and have the euroleague pass for the home matches annoys you, is not my problem

How about your constant lie that Spanoulis the point guard of Panathinaikos "never plays point guard"? If you don't want to get reported STOP trolling this thread. You are out of line.

[chains5000]

I dont know what are u reporting me for.

I gave my opinion. If the fact that Im spanish and I've watched hundreds of Euroleague matches, because im from Barcelona and have the euroleague pass for the home matches annoys you, is not my problem
Bruinlove/HighPotential/GUUS/SergioRodriguez/lilmargasol argument against me saying Rubio was better than Sergio Rodriguez was "you've never watched an european game"...

...I got season pass for Bilbao Basket.
Typical ISH

[Hyman]

Hyman is not Spanish. He has NEVER seen a Euroleague game in his life. He is not only a troll, he's also ban worthy. He will be reported on from now on because he's doing things that should get him banned.

You are sick. Now im not spanish, haha. And I've not watched any euroleague match, although I go every two wednesdays to the arena

For believing that im from Barcelona, do u want me to speak catalan? Do u even know what catalan means?

[Hyman]

How about your constant lie that Spanoulis the point guard of Panathinaikos "never plays point guard"? If you don't want to get reported STOP trolling this thread. You are out of line.

Im not syaing that Spanoulis never was the PG of Panathinaikos. Im saying he is not a PG. He plays some minutes there, but he is not the PG. The PG's are Diamantidis and Jasikevicius. In last year Final 4, which I saw live at Berlin, Spanoulis was starting as a PG and he played there in that position because Diamantidis had just recover from an injury and wasnt quite fit. Obradovic always uses Jasikevicius as a subs, just as Messina or Ivkovic did at CSKA with Papaloukas, because they like them to visualize the match from the bench before coming out. Nevertheless, despite being injured, Diamantidis played around 30 minutes per match in the F4, as a PG, except when defending, where basically he could defend any perimeter player

[Lakas Fan Yo]

You are sick. Now im not spanish, haha. And I've not watched any euroleague match, although I go every two wednesdays to the arena

For believing that im from Barcelona, do u want me to speak catalan? Do u even know what catalan means?

If you say Spanoulis is in your opinion not a PG or he sucks or Diamantidis is a better Pg or whatever that could be under "your opinion".

What you did was straight TROLLING. Making up a LIE that Spanoulis the starting point guard of Panathinaikos "never plays point guard" or "cannot play point guard".

If you said something like "in Greek national team I think he is not a real point guard" could maybe be seen as just an opinion. You however TROLLED.

"He never plays as a point guard in Greek national team" - when he is the starting point guard of the Greek national team. That is TROLLING and hijacking a thread.

[artificial]

:roll: Lakas baby crying about trolling :roll:

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Im not syaing that Spanoulis never was the PG of Panathinaikos. Im saying he is not a PG. He plays some minutes there, but he is not the PG. The PG's are Diamantidis and Jasikevicius. In last year Final 4, which I saw live at Berlin, Spanoulis was starting as a PG and he played there in that position because Diamantidis had just recover from an injury and wasnt quite fit. Obradovic always uses Jasikevicius as a subs, just as Messina or Ivkovic did at CSKA with Papaloukas, because they like them to visualize the match from the bench before coming out. Nevertheless, despite being injured, Diamantidis played around 30 minutes per match in the F4, as a PG, except when defending, where basically he could defend any perimeter player

And you claim you are Spanish and watch the Euroleague............how can that be possible? Diamantidis barely plays 5 minutes a game as a PG on Panathinaikos. Jasikevicius plays PG as Spanoulis' BACKUP. if you were not lying and trolling and really were Spanish and really did watch Euroleague you would know that.

But you do not even have the most simple facts right. No one would believe you if you said you were from LA and were an NBA fan and you insisted that Kobe is a SF and barely ever plays as a SG. You are a troll and a liar. PERIOD.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

You are sick. Now im not spanish, haha. And I've not watched any euroleague match, although I go every two wednesdays to the arena

For believing that im from Barcelona, do u want me to speak catalan? Do u even know what catalan means?

I'm Basque. Unlike you I am REALLY Basque. You are some guy from Texas pretending he's from Spain.

[chains5000]

I'm Basque. Unlike you I am REALLY Basque. You are some guy from Texas pretending he's from Spain.
Where are you from?

[Hyman]

If you say Spanoulis is in your opinion not a PG or he sucks or Diamantidis is a better Pg or whatever that could be under "your opinion".

What you did was straight TROLLING. Making up a LIE that Spanoulis the starting point guard of Panathinaikos "never plays point guard" or "cannot play point guard".

If you said something like "in Greek national team I think he is not a real point guard" could maybe be seen as just an opinion. You however TROLLED.

"He never plays as a point guard in Greek national team" - when he is the starting point guard of the Greek national team. That is TROLLING and hijacking a thread.


I never said he never played as PG in the greek NT. In fact I said that in the Eurobasket he played as a PG, because the real PG'S (Diamantidis and Papaloukas) were injured and he had to play this role with Zisis. But its not his role and he doesnt feel cormftable there

Spanoulis cannot be a starting PG at a NBA decent team. Mainly because he loses lots of his assets as a player. Is like making Navarro play as a PG. He can do it but then he is not Navarro

Here I let u some opinions from greek fans about the position of Spanoulis. From the european forum of basket, Interbasket

Greek fans I repeat

http://forums.interbasket.net/f61/semifinal-1-greece-spain-11417/p18.html

[Hyman]

Opinions of greek fans about Spanoulis:

Chlatsaki: "how long does it take for a coach to understand that spanoulis is not a point guard..........."

KWSN-Men : "Our problem was not Perperoglou but Spanoulis.
As I said previously, we should have played with Calathes earlier but I think Kazla doesn't trust him so much. I think Calathes proved him wrong.
I think it's a great success to reach the semis with Spanoulis as our PG anyway..."

[Lakas Fan Yo]

I never said he never played as PG in the greek NT. In fact I said that in the Eurobasket he played as a PG, because the real PG'S (Diamantidis and Papaloukas) were injured and he had to play this role with Zisis. But its not his role and he doesnt feel cormftable there

Spanoulis cannot be a starting PG at a NBA decent team. Mainly because he loses lots of his assets as a player. Is like making Navarro play as a PG. He can do it but then he is not Navarro

Here I let u some opinions from greek fans about the position of Spanoulis. From the european forum of basket, Interbasket

Greek fans I repeat

http://forums.interbasket.net/f61/semifinal-1-greece-spain-11417/p18.html

So now you suddenly understand the difference between saying "I don't think so and so is a real point guard" and saying "this guy never ever played point guard so anyone saying he did is lying"............

All the while getting other fans here who do not know better to think the other people are lying. Now all of a sudden you know the difference between posting an opinion and trolling.............

Right...........................

[Hyman]

More about greek fans on Spanoulis being a PG...

Remon: "Anyway, I agree with you totaly in that Calathes should have played from the begining. Actualy, he showed he had more brains than most of the other more mature/experienced players when he cut to the basket and got that assist from Spanoulis and hit that mid-range jumper, he was the ONLY player that had the mind to do that, which should be ALWAYS done."

qiangdade: "now face the truth: spanoulis is a great scorer, but nothing close to a pg and zisis is not nt level. not even with all the absentees. he sucks too much..."

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Where are you from?

San Sebastian

[Lakas Fan Yo]

More about greek fans on Spanoulis being a PG...

Remon: "Anyway, I agree with you totaly in that Calathes should have played from the begining. Actualy, he showed he had more brains than most of the other more mature/experienced players when he cut to the basket and got that assist from Spanoulis and hit that mid-range jumper, he was the ONLY player that had the mind to do that, which should be ALWAYS done."

qiangdade: "now face the truth: spanoulis is a great scorer, but nothing close to a pg and zisis is not nt level. not even with all the absentees. he sucks too much..."

Not a snow ball's chance in hell that you are Spanish.

[Hyman]

Lakas, really you are making the ridiculous

First saying me that im not spanish. Well, I am. I am spanish from Barcelona and if you want and I can speak you catalan, if you know what catalan is, which you should if you are from the basque country. I doubt you are from the basque country by the way, becuase you havent said me yet any intelligent sentence in spanish; and your ignorance about european basketball is so bing, that I really doubt that you can be spaniard

Secondly saying that Im a troll because I said that Spanoulis was a SG, and not a PG. Its something everybody in Europe who likes basketball knows and I've quoted you some speechs from greek fans of a basketball forum that come to say the same

Thirdly because you said that I said that Spanoulis never played as a PG, something that is completely false, because I said that in the recent Eurobasket, because of the injuries, Spanoulis was used a lot as a PG

You are just making the ridiculous. If you have somo honour, just leave and stop making you more damage

[Lakas Fan Yo]

BTW all Eurobasket Team the same tournament that the troll and fake Spaniard says Spanoulis played as a SG or whatever.

All Tournament Team


PG Vasileios Spanoulis
SG Milos Teodosic
SF Rudy Fernandez
PF Erazem Lorbek
C Pau Gasol

Amazing considering he didn't play PG and Calathes did according to a certain troll. Also amazing how according to the same fake Spaniard he was horrible and played awfully. Perfectly normal for horrible players to make the all tournament team and at a position they don't even play.

I would say Hyman should be banned.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Lakas, really you are making the ridiculous

First saying me that im not spanish. Well, I am. I am spanish from Barcelona and if you want and I can speak you catalan, if you know what catalan is, which you should if you are from the basque country. I doubt you are from the basque country by the way, becuase you havent said me yet any intelligent sentence in spanish; and your ignorance about european basketball is so bing, that I really doubt that you can be spaniard

Secondly saying that Im a troll because I said that Spanoulis was a SG, and not a PG. Its something everybody in Europe who likes basketball knows and I've quoted you some speechs from greek fans of a basketball forum that come to say the same

Thirdly because you said that I said that Spanoulis never played as a PG, something that is completely false, because I said that in the recent Eurobasket, because of the injuries, Spanoulis was used a lot as a PG

You are just making the ridiculous. If you have somo honour, just leave and stop making you more damage

You claimed Calathes played all the minutes at PG and not Spanoulis. Once again in the same thread you change your story as now you claim you never said that. I know for a fact you are not Spanish.

Your first mistake was claiming you were from Barcelona. It is so obvious that is not true to anyone that has ever been there. You totally blew it big time as soon as you said that.

[Pharcyde]

Lakas is so embarrassing.

[Hyman]

You claimed Calathes played all the minutes at PG and not Spanoulis. Once again in the same thread you change your story as now you claim you never said that. I know for a fact you are not Spanish.

Your first mistake was claiming you were from Barcelona. It is so obvious that is not true to anyone that has ever been there. You totally blew it big time as soon as you said that.

This what I wrote in the 6th page of this thread

"Ocasionally in the last Eurobasket, because of the injuries of Diamantidis and Papaloukas, Spanoulis played some minutes as a PG and it just proved that it is not his position, with lots of turnovers, mistakes and not making better his teamates at any moment. He was the only one scoring the points"

Really stop making the ridiculous

[chocolatethunder]

Lakas Fan- I would be willing to bet that you aren't Basque because you haven't replied in Spanish. I think that Hyman is Spanish and that you two have different opinions. I would be willing to bet that you don't speak Spanish. Maybe your mom is from Spain or something like that but that's about it. You do not speak Spanish, maybe you understand it and can maybe speak it a little, but you can't read or write it. You are probably one of those kids that grow up hearing it and understand it but when you try to speak it you can't conjugate verbs properly and you sound like a moron. That's the best case for you. Worst case is that you're some zit faced run of the mill rich suburbanite.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Lakas Fan- I would be willing to bet that you aren't Basque because you haven't replied in Spanish. I think that Hyman is Spanish and that you two have different opinions. I would be willing to bet that you don't speak Spanish. Maybe your mom is from Spain or something like that but that's about it.

He isn't Spanish. He's a troll, he hijacking this thread and worse than that it is extremely insulting that he lies and makes up he is Spanish when he is not. One of the worst trolls I have encountered here.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

This what I wrote in the 6th page of this thread

"Ocasionally in the last Eurobasket, because of the injuries of Diamantidis and Papaloukas, Spanoulis played some minutes as a PG and it just proved that it is not his position, with lots of turnovers, mistakes and not making better his teamates at any moment. He was the only one scoring the points"

Really stop making the ridiculous

So playing the most minutes on the entire team and playing every single minute at point guard = "Ocasionally in the last Eurobasket, because of the injuries of Diamantidis and Papaloukas, Spanoulis played some minutes as a PG"


Yeah you know leading the team in minutes played and playing every second at point guard is just like an occasional possession or two playing as a point guard.

Yeah you know occasionally Shaq plays as a C, he's not an actual C just occasionally plays there.

[chocolatethunder]

He isn't Spanish. He's a troll, he hijacking this thread and worse than that it is extremely insulting that he lies and makes up he is Spanish when he is not. One of the worst trolls I have encountered here.
Nah, he is and you're way off base and out of your league.

[chains5000]

He isn't Spanish. He's a troll, he hijacking this thread and worse than that it is extremely insulting that he lies and makes up he is Spanish when he is not. One of the worst trolls I have encountered here.
Why don't you just ask him something he should know being from Spain?
I don't know, something from tv for example. That just end the "Spanish or not" argument so this thread can be "normal" again.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Lakas is so embarrassing.

A little hint. Euroleague and FIBA Eurobasket have box scores too. Funny how Spanoulis is listed as the starting PG in the games in question. Don't embarrass yourself by believing this troll.

[Hyman]

Lakas Fan- I would be willing to bet that you aren't Basque because you haven't replied in Spanish. I think that Hyman is Spanish and that you two have different opinions. I would be willing to bet that you don't speak Spanish. Maybe your mom is from Spain or something like that but that's about it.

This is what I wrote on the 7th page of the thread

"In the greek NT, Spanoulis only plays as a PG if Papaloukas or Diamantidis, who are the true PG and by far better players than him, are injured, which was the case"

He is making such a complete ridiculous that he blames me for saying things I havent said. He blames me for saying that Calathes was the PG at the Eurobasket when he barely played any minute!

Of couse he is not spanish, if not he would know something of spanish and about european basketball.

And Spanoulis is not a PG. He played ocassionally as a PG at the Eurobasket when bot Diamantidis and Papaloukas where injured. That is something I said in my first comment on this thread. Everybody knows Spanoulis is not a PG at Europe. Just have to hear the comments of greek fans

Ocassionally in the Eurobasket he played as a PG, because there where no more. Calathes played for the first time in the greek team and he wasnt even a profesional guy, he had very little importance and Spanoulis was forced to play there along with Nikos Zisis, who isnt neither a playmaker. Something I had said in the 6th thread of this post

[Lakas Fan Yo]

This is what I wrote on the 7th page of the thread

"In the greek NT, Spanoulis only plays as a PG if Papaloukas or Diamantidis, who are the true PG and by far better players than him, are injured, which was the case"

He is making such a complete ridiculous that he blames me for saying things I havent said. He blames me for saying that Calathes was the PG at the Eurobasket when he barely played any minute!

Of couse he is not spanish, if not he would know something of spanish and about european basketball.

And Spanoulis is not a PG. He played ocassionally as a PG at the Eurobasket when bot Diamantidis and Papaloukas where injured. That is something I said in my first comment on this thread. Everybody knows Spanoulis is not a PG at Europe. Just have to hear the comments of greek fans

Ocassionally in the Eurobasket he played as a PG, because there where no more. Calathes played for the first time in the greek team and he wasnt even a profesional guy, he had very little importance and Spanoulis was forced to play there along with Nikos Zisis, who isnt neither a playmaker. Something I had said in the 6th thread of this post

It's hilarious that you can't even get your lies right now. You are probably trying to edit all your posts. PATHETIC.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Nah, he is and you're way off base and out of your league.

He's about as Spanish as Yao Ming.

[chocolatethunder]

My friend he is a TROLL. A liar and a fake Spaniard. He is not going to stop or allow the thread to be normal. He came to the thread to derail it, to hijack it and to troll. That's his agenda.

Just write three sentences in Spanish about the topic of this thread. If you can do that well, I'll believe you. If you can't, then I'm calling bull**** on you and recommend that you should be banned. Remember, three sentences and if the grammar is weak I'll know.

[Hyman]

So playing the most minutes on the entire team and playing every single minute at point guard = "Ocasionally in the last Eurobasket, because of the injuries of Diamantidis and Papaloukas, Spanoulis played some minutes as a PG"


Yeah you know leading the team in minutes played and playing every second at point guard is just like an occasional possession or two playing as a point guard.

Yeah you know occasionally Shaq plays as a C, he's not an actual C just occasionally plays there.

He played as a PG, because there where no PG'S at the team. The only one was Nick Calathes, who was called for the first time and was an amateur player. Is that so difficult to understand?

The fact that Farmar and Fisher are injured and Odom plays ocassionally as a PG makes him a PG?

Really you are making a complete ridiculous.

[chains5000]

Venga, c

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Just write three sentences in Spanish about the topic of this thread. If you can do that well, I'll believe you. If you can't, then I'm calling bull**** on you and recommend that you should be banned. Remember, three sentences and if the grammar is weak I'll know.

WTF is your problem? You are defending this guy that is trolling hijacking the thread and bashing anyone calling him on it? GTFO this thread if you are just hijacking and trolling.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

He played as a PG, because there where no PG'S at the team. The only one was Nick Calathes, who was called for the first time and was an amateur player. Is that so difficult to understand?

The fact that Farmar and Fisher are injured and Odom plays ocassionally as a PG makes him a PG?

Really you are making a complete ridiculous.

And this explains why he is the starting point guard last year and this year on Panathinaikos? Something you also lie about. Why would he start at PG two years in a row for a team if he only "occasionally" plays there?

[Hyman]

Sorry guys. Its my last contribution in this thread because its getting ridiculous. First of all, mind my english because it may be not very good

Secondly this Lakas guy is a freak. Just a completely freak. He says that im editing my posts to believe my own lies when its something that is written in here since yesterday. I dont need to prove nothing

Im spanish from Barcelona and I speak fluently both spanish and catalan. If someone wants to test me I dont have problem

For finishing, know you guys that Spanoulis is not a PG. He played ocassionally as a PG in the Eurobasket because the only PG available was Nick Calathes, a boy that at that point was a neo-professional player, an american guy who was called for the first time

You can find the comments of the greek fans I've quoted

[Hyman]

[QUOTE=chains5000]Venga, c

[Lakas Fan Yo]

I suggest the mods post game links to Panathinaikos games. It can be watched. Once Spanoulis plays as their point guard (because that is his position for 2 years now) Hyman can be banned. Because it proves he lies that he watches all those games and that by watching all those games it proves he is "Spanish".

All the Americans that believe this guy and his lies can see for themselves during the game stream that he plays as a PG regardless or who else is on his team. Then Hyman can come back and lie more with "no but I'm really Spanish I just lied about watching the games I'm really Spanish though".

[Hyman]

And this explains why he is the starting point guard last year and this year on Panathinaikos? Something you also lie about. Why would he start at PG two years in a row for a team if he only "occasionally" plays there?

Really this is something really diffuclt to explain if you have just never watched a european game and you defende yourself on the sole basis of statisitcs and numbers. Basketball is not only this

But I will explain you, for the last time. Diamantidis was the starting PG until last year for Panathinaikos. He had been the starting PG for the last 4 or 5 years. In the last months of the season he got injured. He couldnt play

The altrnative was Jasikevicius. Obradovic the coach of PAO likes to use Jasikevicius from the bench, in order he can read the match the first minutes, analyze it and then give the team what is required. Moreover Jasikevicius is quite aged and he cannot play lots of minutes. Spanoulis then started to be used as a PG in the last months or two of the competition

Diamantidis recovered from his injury, but not totally. But although this, he was able to play the euroleague final 4. He started from the bench, but in fact he was on the court nearly all the minutes. Spanoulis probably played no more than 10% of the time as a PG in the F4. Ocassionally

The season ended and Diamantidis who was not fully recovered from his injury decided to rest and not play the Eurobasket during the summer. The two best greek players (Diamantidis and Papaloukas who are both PG'S) where not playing the Eurobasket and Spanoulis was used there because there was no other reliable player.

[Hyman]

I suggest the mods post game links to Panathinaikos games. It can be watched. Once Spanoulis plays as their point guard (because that is his position for 2 years now) Hyman can be banned. Because it proves he lies that he watches all those games and that by watching all those games it proves he is "Spanish".

All the Americans that believe this guy and his lies can see for themselves during the game stream that he plays as a PG regardless or who else is on his team. Then Hyman can come back and lie more with "no but I'm really Spanish I just lied about watching the games I'm really Spanish though".

You are a lunatic man

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Really this is something really diffuclt to explain if you have just never watched a european game and you defende yourself on the sole basis of statisitcs and numbers. Basketball is not only this

But I will explain you, for the last time. Diamantidis was the starting PG until last year for Panathinaikos. He had been the starting PG for the last 4 or 5 years. In the last months of the season he got injured. He couldnt play

The altrnative was Jasikevicius. Obradovic the coach of PAO likes to use Jasikevicius from the bench, in order he can read the match the first minutes, analyze it and then give the team what is required. Moreover Jasikevicius is quite aged and he cannot play lots of minutes. Spanoulis then started to be used as a PG in the last months or two of the competition

Diamantidis recovered from his injury, but not totally. But although this, he was able to play the euroleague final 4. He started from the bench, but in fact he was on the court nearly all the minutes. Spanoulis probably played no more than 10% of the time as a PG in the F4. Ocassionally

The season ended and Diamantidis who was not fully recovered from his injury decided to rest and not play the Eurobasket during the summer. The two best greek players (Diamantidis and Papaloukas who are both PG'S) where not playing the Eurobasket and Spanoulis was used there because there was no other reliable player.

The game link can be posted. Spanoulis will (like ALWAYS) play point guard. Diamantidis might log 5 minutes there as usual. You can then be banned. Problem solved.

[PistonsFan#21]

Whats so funny about me ranking those PGs over Spanoulis?

Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Chauncey Billups, Tony Parker, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Brandon Jennings, Derrick Rose, Andre Miller, Devin Harris, Rajon Rondo, Jameer Nelson are all better than him.

Spanoulis in his only year in the NBA: 2.7ppg, 0.9 ast, 0.9 to, 17% 3pt, 32% FG, 0 game started. He was nothing but a scrub in the NBA.

So which of the point guards that i named above would you rank Spanoulis over?

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Whats so funny about me ranking those PGs over Spanoulis?

Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Chauncey Billups, Tony Parker, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Brandon Jennings, Derrick Rose, Andre Miller, Devin Harris, Rajon Rondo, Jameer Nelson are all better than him.

Spanoulis in his only year in the NBA: 2.7ppg, 0.9 ast, 0.9 to, 17% 3pt, 32% FG, 0 game started. He was nothing but a scrub in the NBA.

So which of the point guards that i named above would you rank Spanoulis over?

I'm not getting into it with you.

[PistonsFan#21]

I'm not getting into it with you.

Exactly because you know you're wrong. Try as hard as you could and you still wouldnt find a way to rank Spanoulis over the elite point guards in the NBA. He preferred to move to Europe so he could play agaisnt weaker competition

[Hyman]

The game link can be posted. Spanoulis will (like ALWAYS) play point guard. Diamantidis might log 5 minutes there as usual. You can then be banned. Problem solved.

Post the game link please. You will watch for the first time Panathinaikos play!

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Exactly because you know you're wrong. Try as hard as you could and you still wouldnt find a way to rank Spanoulis over the elite point guards in the NBA. He preferred to move to Europe so he could play agaisnt weaker competition

No because you are a biased and prejudiced NBA only fan. You lack basketball knowledge. You are not a basketball fan you a strict NBA only fan. You are a waste of time and not even worth the discussion.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Post the game link please. You will watch for the first time Panathinaikos play!

I already said you will be banned.

[PistonsFan#21]

No because you are a biased and prejudiced NBA only fan. You lack basketball knowledge. You are not a basketball fan you a strict NBA only fan. You are a waste of time and not even worth the discussion.

And you are a biased euroleague fan who thinks Spanoulis is currently the greatest point guard on earth. Whats the difference? :confusedshrug:

[Lakas Fan Yo]

And you are a biased euroleague fan who thinks Spanoulis is currently the greatest point guard on earth. Whats the difference? :confusedshrug:

No. I am a BASKETBALL fan. You are a biased NBA only fan. Big difference.

[Hyman]

No. I am a BASKETBALL fan. You are a biased NBA only fan. Big difference.

Yes. And you are spaniard too

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Yes. And you are spaniard too

Basque

[PistonsFan#21]

If you claim to know so much give me 1 reason why you think Spanoulis is better than players like Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Chauncey Billups, etc. only 1 reason

[Lakas Fan Yo]

If you claim to know so much give me 1 reason why you think Spanoulis is better than players like Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Chauncey Billups, etc. only 1 reason

I never said he was better than them. Personally to me he is better than Paul. I wouldn't say he's better than the other two. But Jameer Nelson, Derrick Rose, and all those others you posted except for Nash? Pure comedy. He's way better than those other point guards.

[chains5000]

[QUOTE=Hyman]Patricia Conde. Es la de Se lo que Hicisteis no? Trabaja en la sexta y antes estuvo en el infomal, adem

[chains5000]

Yes. And you are spaniard too

Basque
We don't want that conversation, ok?

[Hyman]

More about the greeks thoughts on Spanoulis playing as a PG in the national team for the first time in its life at the recent Eurobasket 2009



Gyroscope: "Calathes deserves far more playing time. The ball rolls much better since he's in, without stupid, totally predictable TOs by Mr. I-Drive-then-throw-the-ball-back-Spanoulis"

KWSN-Men: "Congrats to Spain, great game.
Kazlauskas should have used Calathes earlier instead of Skatoulis on PG, that's were we lost any chances we had on the game"

KWSN-Men (he is a Panathinaikos and Greek fan): " When Spanoulis plays PG, he is Skatoulis. Whether you like it or not, proven fact in PAO as well.
As for my PAO feelings or not, give me a break with this ****"

G.G: "true, Spanoulis is NOT a pg, absolutely fab sg. He can contribute so much more if has next to him somebody to organise the game."

buzz: "calathes proved today that he is a useful pg.. he didn't use him not even for ten minutes...he is immature ok...but give me a break..we have no pgs..and kazla prefers to melt spanoulis instead of using him for a few minutes..."

Remon: "Anyway, I agree with you totaly in that Calathes should have played from the begining. Actualy, he showed he had more brains than most of the other more mature/experienced players when he cut to the basket and got that assist from Spanoulis and hit that mid-range jumper, he was the ONLY player that had the mind to do that, which should be ALWAYS done."

qiangdade: "now face the truth: spanoulis is a great scorer, but nothing close to a pg and zisis is not nt level. not even with all the absentees. he sucks too much..."

Chlatsaki: "how long does it take for a coach to understand that spanoulis is not a point guard..........."

KWSN-Men : "Our problem was not Perperoglou but Spanoulis.
As I said previously, we should have played with Calathes earlier but I think Kazla doesn't trust him so much. I think Calathes proved him wrong.
I think it's a great success to reach the semis with Spanoulis as our PG anyway..."

[Lakas Fan Yo]

We don't want that conversation, ok?

Why not? You are on my side.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

More about the greeks thoughts on Spanoulis playing as a PG in the national team for the first time in its life at the recent Eurobasket 2009



Gyroscope: "Calathes deserves far more playing time. The ball rolls much better since he's in, without stupid, totally predictable TOs by Mr. I-Drive-then-throw-the-ball-back-Spanoulis"

KWSN-Men: "Congrats to Spain, great game.
Kazlauskas should have used Calathes earlier instead of Skatoulis on PG, that's were we lost any chances we had on the game"

KWSN-Men (he is a Panathinaikos and Greek fan): " When Spanoulis plays PG, he is Skatoulis. Whether you like it or not, proven fact in PAO as well.
As for my PAO feelings or not, give me a break with this ****"

G.G: "true, Spanoulis is NOT a pg, absolutely fab sg. He can contribute so much more if has next to him somebody to organise the game."

buzz: "calathes proved today that he is a useful pg.. he didn't use him not even for ten minutes...he is immature ok...but give me a break..we have no pgs..and kazla prefers to melt spanoulis instead of using him for a few minutes..."

KWSN-Men :lol :oldlol: :roll: :applause:

Probably the biggest troll in basketball forum history all around the world. OMFG Hyman is KWSN-Men now it all makes sense. That's it. I will never ever respond to this creep again. This guy is scary.

[chains5000]

Why not? You are on my side.
This is a basketball board.

[Hyman]

KWSN-Men :lol :oldlol: :roll: :applause:

Probably the biggest troll in basketball forum history all around the world. OMFG Hyman is KWSN-Men now it all makes sense. That's it. I will never ever respond to this creep again. This guy is scary.

As I've said you are a lunatic

Dont try to solve the riduclous and the pathethic image you've given by saying more lies on me

You are the one that said that was spaniard, from the basque country and dont know any word of spanish. You are the one that said that Spanoulis was a PG, when everybody in Europe knows he is not. I wouldnt discuss with you about college basketball because I have no idea of it. Trying to discuss with me about european basketball when you are probably from Texas and havent watch more than three european games in your life is weird. You're only knowledge of european basketball are stats and internet web pages. And I tell you its not enough

If you want to solve you're ridiculous by saying that im a that guy in the forum ok. Im greek, Im a PAO fan but I also speak catalan and spansih as first languages, aswell as english which makes one of the most polyglot guys on earth. Moreover I know a lot about spanish television, despite of being a PAO fan, speaking greek and posting regularly on the PAO thread

Whether you chose one option or the other, it lets you just in a pathetic position. If you decide that in fact I am greek and a PAO fan that writes regularly on the PAO interbasket thread with my mates, you are assuming that I've watched Spanoulis play 1000 times more than you have. And also that Im extremely intelligent as I can speak Greek, spanish, english, and catalan fluently, being greek, spanish and english languages with complete different roots

If you assume that Im a spaniard, that has watched lots of Euroleague matches and that has also posted you the opinions on Spanoulis of the greek fans in another forum as him playing as a PG. Then, its pathethic the way you have blame me for not being spaniard and the way you have blame me for not knowing about european basketball, when every single greek fan thinks the same

I dont doubt about your knowledge on NBA or NCAA basketball. But really, you no nothing about european basketball. And im not telling this for hurting you or putting you in a bad position. Im telling you as honestly as I can.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

live game link

http://www.fromsport.com/video-121241.html

http://www.atdhe.net/10427/watch-panathinaikos-vs-ewe-baskets

Spanoulis (#6 in dark green) is playing POINT GUARD for PANATHINAIKOS.

Please ban Hyman.

[Hyman]

live game link

http://www.fromsport.com/video-121241.html

Spanoulis (#6 in dark green) is playing POINT GUARD for PANATHINAIKOS.

Please ban Hyman.

At least give a correct link

www.atdhe.net

At the moment Calathes playing as a PG. im going to watch all the match. Not for knowing if Spanoulis if yes or nor a PG, which I know. But because I enjoy international basketball

[Maga_1]

I read all of yout posts in this topic and this is getting just .. wow !
You're all spaniards or basques or WTF you are .. Stop talking about that.

My opinion about Spanoulis, (and he is one of my favorite players, behind Sergio Rodriguez):

He's not a true PG, he's a combo guard. He can play PG and SG in the same way, but SG is more easy for him to play 1on1 (wich is his best skill).
Spanoulis can play in NBA, but he don't have the "european hype" to be a beast or even a starter in a NBA team. But he surelly can play like 6th or 7th man like Rudy Fernandez and make some average numbers.

Do you guys understand that PANA plays with 2 guards like let me see.. Portland?
But Jasikevicius and Calathes are TRUE PG'S and Spanoulis/Diamantidis can play the PG or SG spot.

By the way, i'm portuguese. So what?

[Hyman]

I read all of yout posts in this topic and this is getting just .. wow !
You're all spaniards or basques or WTF you are .. Stop talking about that.

My opinion about Spanoulis, (and he is one of my favorite players, behind Sergio Rodriguez):

He's not a true PG, he's a combo guard. He can play PG and SG in the same way, but SG is more easy for him to play 1on1 (wich is his best skill).
Spanoulis can play in NBA, but he don't have the "european hype" to be a beast or even a starter in a NBA team. But he surelly can play like 6th or 7th man like Rudy Fernandez and make some average numbers.

Do you guys understand that PANA plays with 2 guards like let me see.. Portland?
But Jasikevicius and Calathes are TRUE PG'S and Spanoulis/Diamantidis can play the PG or SG spot.

By the way, i'm portuguese. So what?

Are u comparing Rudy Fernandez physically with Spanoulis?

Spanoulis can be at most, a worst version than Navarro at NBA. That makes him one of the best 10 "PG's" at NBA?

[Maga_1]

Are u comparing Rudy Fernandez physically with Spanoulis?

Spanoulis can be at most, a worst version than Navarro at NBA. That makes him one of the best 10 "PG's" at NBA?

No, not physically .. Physically he's like Navarro, and undersized SG.
I was talking about the playing time he could get in teams like, Minnesota or Bucks .

Not one of the best 10 best PG at the NBA level, but one of the best PG/SG in Europe who could develop to play in a average NBA level.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

At least give a correct link

www.atdhe.net

At the moment Calathes playing as a PG. im going to watch all the match. Not for knowing if Spanoulis if yes or nor a PG, which I know. But because I enjoy international basketball

Calathes has played ZERO possessions as at point guard this game. You really need to be banned.

[Maga_1]

I can't see the game in atdhe or fromsport. What's wrong?

[PistonsFan#21]

Calathes has played ZERO possessions as at point guard this game. You really need to be banned.

You need to be banned for thinking Spanoulis would be a top 10 point guard in the NBA :hammerhead:

[Lakas Fan Yo]

You need to be banned for thinking Spanoulis would be a top 10 point guard in the NBA :hammerhead:

STOP twisting what I said. I never said where I ranked him and I guarantee you he would be way better than just top 10. He's ten times better than the Pistons point guards.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

I can't see the game in atdhe or fromsport. What's wrong?

Hyman posted the wrong link like an idiot. I gave the direct log in link and he freaking posted another one and it broke the connection. If he really was Spanish and "watched all the games through Euroleague TV online" like he claimed then he would have known not to do that. His lies seem to never end.

[MiseryCityTexas]

You can pretty much take anything Lakas Fan says and determine the opposite because he's never right about anything.

If Sofo was even anywhere near as good as those guys he'd be on an NBA roster. This is the first time I've seen Sofo even able to play 20 minutes a game. If he gets to the NBA he'll be like a better version of Robert Traylor.

Lakas Fan is the same moron who said Spanoulis is as good as Chris Paul.



les alexander and carrol dawson were prolly the fools who listened to his post before signing him over to the rockets!

[Lakas Fan Yo]

les alexander and carrol dawson were prolly the fools who listened to his post before signing him over to the rockets!

He is BETTER than Paul not as good as.

[PistonsFan#21]

STOP twisting what I said. I never said where I ranked him and I guarantee you he would be way better than just top 10. He's ten times better than the Pistons point guards.

What do you mean you never said where you ranked him? You obviously meant to say he was a top 10 PG.


Name me 10 NBA point guards better than Spanoulis. Seriously. If you actually watch Euroleague then you should know that you can't name 10 better than him.

Pistons point guard actually started for his team. What did Spanoulis accomplish in NBA? warm the bench and being a cheerleader.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

What do you mean you never said where you ranked him? You obviously meant to say he was a top 10 PG.



Pistons point guard actually started for his team. What did Spanoulis accomplish in NBA? warm the bench and being a cheerleader.

Any NBA GM would laugh if you said Bynum or Stuckey was better than Spanoulis. They would laugh at you.

[PistonsFan#21]

Any NBA GM would laugh if you said Bynum or Stuckey was better than Spanoulis. They would laugh at you.

Yeah thats why Spanoulis only got to play 8 mins a game in the NBA being a bench payer behind both Rafer Alston, John Lucas III, Kyrk Snyder and Luther Head. :hammerhead: They would sure laugh at you.

[R.I.P.]

Spanoulis came a year too early. I think he would have thrived in Adelman

[Hyman]

Hyman posted the wrong link like an idiot. I gave the direct log in link and he freaking posted another one and it broke the connection. If he really was Spanish and "watched all the games through Euroleague TV online" like he claimed then he would have known not to do that. His lies seem to never end.

Ive never said that. Why you keep putting things in my mouth I havent said? So difficult is to descredit me that you have to keep putting lies?

I havent said a single lie, I have no need to. You at the moment have claimed to be spaniard and curiously dont know any single way of spanish. Weird

I've said that I watch every Euroleague match that Barcelona plays at home at the arena. Again, I know you have done the ridiculous and I have proven it. All posters here know what kind of person you are. A freak who says that he is spanish, but doesnt know a single word and says freak things without any sense

Dont try to make your lies extensible to me. I dont need to lie in a forum for saying my opinion. Please before quoting me, read again what I've said and please, dont put things in my mouth I havent said because it really annoys me. Lie for you, but not for me

I have never said a lied about you. On the contrary in every sentence you say there is a lie about me, whether something I havent said, whether saying that I was not born in a place, saying that im a greek troll and a PAO fan in another forum... I mean, I know its difficult to discredit me with solid arguments but I didnt thought it was so much

[Harison]

My friend he is a TROLL. A liar and a fake Spaniard. He is not going to stop or allow the thread to be normal. He came to the thread to derail it, to hijack it and to troll. That's his agenda.
My friend you are a RETARD. A liar and a fake basque, you're probably greek, basing on your total obsession with greek players. I havent seen ONE intelligent post by you, so troll - go back to your cave, tyvm.

[Hyman]

My friend you are a RETARD. A liar and a fake basque, you're probably greek, basing on your total obsession with greek players. I havent seen ONE intelligent post by you, so troll - go back to your cave, tyvm.

He is not greek. He has the same knowledge of Panathinaikos than me of NFL. That is, nothing

[artificial]

:roll: :roll: :roll: This thread is full of Lakas PWND :roll: :roll: :roll:

Porqu

[catzhernandez]

Personally I'm very interested in how you managed to spell the word 'Yet' backwards.
:roll:

[Grinder]

Kleiza is a good rebounder and he can score and shoot. But he's not doing all that great either IMO. He hogs the ball and takes a lot of bad shots and he's a very inefficient scorer so far. But he's doing way better than Wafer and it's basically just because Wafer does not seem to grasp that you have to at least defend and pass the ball once in awhile.
Everyone already knows LFY knows jack **** about Euro ball...he just proved his point further by saying Kleiza isn't doing that great...:oldlol:

Dude's been far and away the best player in the A1 this season.

He's just some random kid with a disturbing obsession with Greek players. He claims Timofy Mozgov is one of the top 10 players in Europe, Ricky Rubio is nothing but a poor backup on any Euro team, Spanoulis is better than Chris Paul, Siskauskas is better than Ginobili, Pekovic is better than Pau Gasol, etc. etc.

When anyone disagrees with him, he just spouts out the same **** - "liar", "never watched a game in your life", "NBA fan, not basketball fan", "report", "you should be banned", blah blah...and of course never has a link to back up anything.

:applause:

[Maga_1]

Everyone already knows LFY knows jack **** about Euro ball...he just proved his point further by saying Kleiza isn't doing that great...:oldlol:

Dude's been far and away the best player in the A1 this season.

He's just some random kid with a disturbing obsession with Greek players. He claims Timofy Mozgov is one of the top 10 players in Europe, Ricky Rubio is nothing but a poor backup on any Euro team, Spanoulis is better than Chris Paul, Siskauskas is better than Ginobili, Pekovic is better than Pau Gasol, etc. etc.

When anyone disagrees with him, he just spouts out the same **** - "liar", "never watched a game in your life", "NBA fan, not basketball fan", "report", "you should be banned", blah blah...and of course never has a link to back up anything.

:applause:

It's hard, but that's true.

[qrich]

I never said he was better than them. Personally to me he is better than Paul. I wouldn't say he's better than the other two. But Jameer Nelson, Derrick Rose, and all those others you posted except for Nash? Pure comedy. He's way better than those other point guards.

So this guy thinks VSpan is superior to CP3 and Sofoklis will be 10x the player Kaman & Camby can ever dream of being. GENIUS!

[madmax]

So this guy thinks VSpan is superior to CP3 and Sofoklis will be 10x the player Kaman & Camby can ever dream of being. GENIUS!

dude is mental, he's got no clue about european basketball, but still pretends to know EVERYTHING:cry: I'm surprised he wasn't banned yet...

[Maga_1]

Banned just because he have bad opinions?
So everybody here have to be banned, we're not always correct. Let him write but don't give a fcuk about what he say .

[PAOK]

olympiakos vs panathinaikos live

http://rs-television.blogspot.com/2009/11/skai.html

http://www.skai.gr/player/tvlive


players to watch

spanoulis, diamantidis, jasikevicius, pekovic

schortsianitis, childress, kleiza, beverley, papaloukas

[barbaroi]

olympiakos vs panathinaikos live

http://rs-television.blogspot.com/2009/11/skai.html


players to watch

spanoulis, diamantidis, jasikevicius, pekovic

schortsianitis, childress, kleiza, beverley, papaloukas
The differences between an NBA game and this game are pretty interesting. I haven't watched very many non-NBA games. It looks like the ball they are using is smaller - is it actually? Also do you have links for a lot of european games? I've tried to watch European basketball before but I haven't had much success finding links.

[PAOK]

the ball is the same

as for links, i only have this one,

it usually shows the greek league, and some euroleague games (every wednesday i think)


EDIT:

Thursday 3/12 panathinaikos - milano (euroleague) 12 EST
Sunday 6/12 panathinaikos - paok (greek league) 10 EST

[chains5000]

[QUOTE=artificial]:roll: :roll: :roll: This thread is full of Lakas PWND :roll: :roll: :roll:

Porqu

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Everyone already knows LFY knows jack **** about Euro ball...he just proved his point further by saying Kleiza isn't doing that great...:oldlol:

Dude's been far and away the best player in the A1 this season.

He's just some random kid with a disturbing obsession with Greek players. He claims Timofy Mozgov is one of the top 10 players in Europe, Ricky Rubio is nothing but a poor backup on any Euro team, Spanoulis is better than Chris Paul, Siskauskas is better than Ginobili, Pekovic is better than Pau Gasol, etc. etc.

When anyone disagrees with him, he just spouts out the same **** - "liar", "never watched a game in your life", "NBA fan, not basketball fan", "report", "you should be banned", blah blah...and of course never has a link to back up anything.

:applause:


You are a troll. You deserve no respect. Piss off.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Von Wafer BTW was already cut from his team due to poor play for the Greek League and Greek Cup season. He was replaced on the roster by the Heat's draft pick Patrick Beverly.

http://www.talkbasket.net/news/von-wafer-replaced-with-beverley-2603.html

Von Wafer replaced with Beverley

It was rumored even before the season start of the Greek A1 and it is now official. Olympiacos' coach Panagiotis Giannakis made the big decision to replace Von Wafer for the team's domestic games in Greek League and Cup with Patrick Beverley who has been nothing less than impressive so far, contrary to Von Wafer.

[Maga_1]

Returning to NBA?

[Toni]

Probably very limited minutes. Shooting decent percentages.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Probably very limited minutes. Shooting decent percentages.

His stats in the Greek League:

Greek League:

9.7 MPG

36.4% FG
0.0% FT
33.3% 3 PT FG

3.0 Points Per Game
1.3 Rebounds Per Game
0.0 Assists Per Game

0.0 Steals Per Game
0.0 Blocks Per Game
0.3 Turnovers Per Game
0.3 Fouls Per Game

[Grinder]

You are a troll. You deserve no respect. Piss off.

Accurate description of yourself. :oldlol:

Childress and Kleiza just led Olympiakos to an 11 point win over your beloved PAO. Spanoulis and Diamantidis let a washed up Papaloukas drop 20 on them. :applause:

To say that Chidress and Kleiza haven't been playing well is comical, you clearly haven't watched any Olympiakos games this season. They've been far and away the two most valuable players on the team.

[PAOK]

kleiza is probably the best player in the greek league and one of the best in europe

childress on the other hand is a very talented player BUT he is also very inconsistent. i dont think that he has fully adjusted to euro-style basketball yet


and spanoulis had a pretty good game

17pts 6/6 FTs, 4/6 2PTS, 1/2 3PTS, 3ASTs, 3 TOs

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Accurate description of yourself. :oldlol:

Childress and Kleiza just led Olympiakos to an 11 point win over your beloved PAO. Spanoulis and Diamantidis let a washed up Papaloukas drop 20 on them. :applause:

To say that Chidress and Kleiza haven't been playing well is comical, you clearly haven't watched any Olympiakos games this season. They've been far and away the two most valuable players on the team.

There is absolutely zero chance that Olympiacos wins the Greek League. And in case you did not know the MVP and best player wins the championship. Not a chance in hell that Kleiza or Childress will win the championship or MVP. But keep deluding yourself.

BTW Spanoulis never guarded Papaloukas it was Diamantidis and he did not play defense for one possession the whole game. Spanoulis played excellent defense all game long and was not even guarding Papaloukas. If you had watched the game you would know that. You would also know that the "washed up" Papaloukas played 10 times better than your beloved Kleiza and Childress.

Also Kleiza is a horrible defender. Why do you keep calling him the best player in Greece when he is a horrible defender? If he scores 20 he gives up 20 also. To claim he is the best player in the Greek league is nothing short of ridiculous. Childress while amazingly overpaid and overrated is by far a better all around player than Keliza is.

Also Keliza's offense consists almost entirely of wide open 3 point shots that someone else creates for him. He gets maybe 10% of his offense from his own shot creation. In conclusion you are nothing but a complete troll and a liar.

[Grinder]

Also Keliza's offense consists almost entirely of wide open 3 point shots that someone else creates for him. He gets maybe 10% of his offense from his own shot creation. In conclusion you are nothing but a complete troll and a liar.

If you watch any games, you would know that not even a third of Kleiza's shot attempts are even from 3 pt. range you moron.

Olympiacos is going to win the Greek league and the MVP will either be Kleiza or Childress. Kleiza >>> Spanoulis.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

If you watch any games, you would know that not even a third of Kleiza's shot attempts are even from 3 pt. range you moron.

Olympiacos is going to win the Greek league and the MVP will either be Kleiza or Childress. Kleiza >>> Spanoulis.

I used to think you were just a liar. Now I realize you are simply retarded.

[NuggetsFan]

I used to think you were just a liar. Now I realize you are simply retarded.

NBA has better players than Europe leagues :banana:

[PAOK]

actually, panathinaikos will probably win the greek league (although they lost yesterday) because

1. half of olympiakos players tend to choke in big games (especially their sarting C, Bourousis)
2. panathinaikos has the best coach in Europe. Yannakis is Obradovic's b!tch

last year olympiakos lost to panathinaikos in

the greek league finals (despite having homecourt advantage)
Euroleague semifinal
greek cup final

[Lakas Fan Yo]

actually, panathinaikos will probably win the greek league (although they lost yesterday) because

1. half of olympiakos players tend to choke in big games (especially their sarting C, Bourousis)
2. panathinaikos has the best coach in Europe. Yannakis is Obradovic's b!tch

last year olympiakos lost to panathinaikos in

the greek league finals (despite having homecourt advantage)
Euroleague semifinal
greek cup final

Grinder is not interested in facts. He only cares about making up lies to distort what people here think.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

NBA has better players than Europe leagues :banana:

2009 FIBA European Player of the Year Nominees


Dirk Nowitzki

Erazem Lorbek

Ersan Ilysova

Hedo Turkoglu

Igor Rakocevic

Ioannis Bouroussis

Juan Carlos Navarro

Lior Eliyahu

Marcin Gortat

Milos Teodosic

Nikola Pekovic

Novica Velickovic

Pau Gasol

Rudy Fernandez

Tony Parker

Vassilis Spanoulis


I don't see the name Linas Kleiza anywhere on the list of nominees for the best European player of the year, but there is Spanoulis' name. Don't believe anything Grinder says. He is a strict agenda only poster.

I also fail to see the name Dimitris Diamantidis anywhere on the list. And Hyman must have said 20 times in this thread that "every basketball fan in Europe knows that Diamantidis is far better than Spanoulis" and every time called me a liar and accused me of making up things and having never seen a European basketball game. Apparently these fan boys on this forum think they know better than the official FIBA organization. And apparently the other fan boys on the board would rather believe lies made up by other fan boys than actual truth.

As for Childress, he played in the same league as Spanoulis last year.

Spanoulis = Greek Cup champion, beating Childress' team in the final

Spanoulis = Greek League champion, beating Childress' team 3-1 in the finals

Spanoulis = Greek League All Star

Spanoulis = All Greek League team

Spanoulis = Greek League MVP

Spanoulis = All Euroleague team

Spanoulis = Euroleague champion, beating Childress' team in the semifinals

Spanoulis = Euroleague playoff MVP

Childress = no championships, no all league selections, no individual awards


Yet according to Grinder's posts Childress "dominated" Greece and is "superior" to Spanoulis. And anyone saying otherwise "lies". Obviously, Grinder is a complete troll and no one should believe a word he says.

And as you can see clearly, Hyman has obviously never even seen a Euroleague game.

[Hyman]

2009 FIBA European Player of the Year Nominees


Dirk Nowitzki

Erazem Lorbek

Ersan Ilysova

Hedo Turkoglu

Igor Rakocevic

Ioannis Bouroussis

Juan Carlos Navarro

Lior Eliyahu

Marcin Gortat

Milos Teodosic

Nikola Pekovic

Novica Velickovic

Pau Gasol

Rudy Fernandez

Tony Parker

Vassilis Spanoulis


I don't see the name Linas Kleiza anywhere on the list of nominees for the best European player of the year, but there is Spanoulis' name. Don't believe anything Grinder says. He is a strict agenda only poster.

I also fail to see the name Dimitris Diamantidis anywhere on the list. And Hyman must have said 20 times in this thread that "every basketball fan in Europe knows that Diamantidis is far better than Spanoulis" and every time called me a liar and accused me of making up things and having never seen a European basketball game. Apparently these fan boys on this forum think they know better than the official FIBA organization. And apparently the other fan boys on the board would rather believe lies made up by other fan boys than actual truth.

As for Childress, he played in the same league as Spanoulis last year.

Spanoulis = Greek Cup champion, beating Childress' team in the final

Spanoulis = Greek League champion, beating Childress' team 3-1 in the finals

Spanoulis = Greek League All Star

Spanoulis = All Greek League team

Spanoulis = Greek League MVP

Spanoulis = All Euroleague team

Spanoulis = Euroleague champion, beating Childress' team in the semifinals

Spanoulis = Euroleague playoff MVP

Childress = no championships, no all league selections, no individual awards


Yet according to Grinder's posts Childress "dominated" Greece and is "superior" to Spanoulis. And anyone saying otherwise "lies". Obviously, Grinder is a complete troll and no one should believe a word he says.

And as you can see clearly, Hyman has obviously never even seen a Euroleague game.

Is this the same award the overrated Ricky Rubio won last year being 18 years old?

[PAOK]

I also fail to see the name Dimitris Diamantidis anywhere on the list. And Hyman must have said 20 times in this thread that "every basketball fan in Europe knows that Diamantidis is far better than Spanoulis"

i consider diamantidis better than spanoulis as well

spanoulis is just a scorer, a very good one though

but diamantidis is doing everything else in the court besides scoring.
He's a great organiser, probably the best defender in europe and the most CLUTCH player of panathinaikos and the greek national team

he didnt play in the european championship and we (greece) sucked

[Hyman]

i consider diamantidis better than spanoulis as well

spanoulis is just a scorer, a very good one though

but diamantidis is doing everything else in the court besides scoring.
He's a great organiser, probably the best defender in europe and the most CLUTCH player of panathinaikos and the greek national team

he didnt play in the european championship and we (greece) sucked

Everyone who watches regularly european basketball will consider Diamantidis better than Spanoulis. Its not even close

Spanoulis doesnt only score. In the last years he has improved quite a bit in assisting. He is a good player but no way near Diamantidis.

I think Diamantidis is a NBA ready player. He is not the most talented offesively guy, but he is just so complete, and so big, that he could be a starter in 20 NBA teams. I dont think at all he is worst than Calderon

Moreover his defense is extraodinary. He can defend any players playing at the backcourt, even small forwards. He is the bst defender in Europe. Moreover he is a very consistente guy, he is a great rebounder, assister and a natural leader. IMO the most NBA ready player at Europe nowadays. Totally opposite to Spanoulis who doesnt have the size and strength for playing SG and doesnt have the playmaking skills for being PG

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Is this the same award the overrated Ricky Rubio won last year being 18 years old?

Once again you prove you are a FAKE European fan. Ricky Rubio has never even made the nomination for that award. A real Spaniard would have known that.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Everyone who watches regularly european basketball will consider Diamantidis better than Spanoulis. Its not even close

Spanoulis doesnt only score. In the last years he has improved quite a bit in assisting. He is a good player but no way near Diamantidis.

I think Diamantidis is a NBA ready player. He is not the most talented offesively guy, but he is just so complete, and so big, that he could be a starter in 20 NBA teams. I dont think at all he is worst than Calderon

Moreover his defense is extraodinary. He can defend any players playing at the backcourt, even small forwards. He is the bst defender in Europe. Moreover he is a very consistente guy, he is a great rebounder, assister and a natural leader. IMO the most NBA ready player at Europe nowadays. Totally opposite to Spanoulis who doesnt have the size and strength for playing SG and doesnt have the playmaking skills for being PG

Every fake fan or fan boy will think Diamantidis is better. Every single person with any ounce of basketball knowledge would laugh at Diamantidis even being compared to Spanoulis. Diamantidis is a good player, Spanoulis is a great player. Not even close. But again you have never seen either of them play.

[Hyman]

Once again you prove you are a FAKE European fan. Ricky Rubio has never even made the nomination for that award. A real Spaniard would have known that.

Well he won the Mr Europa award, which is the more ancient and prestigious one. Youngest player ever to win it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Europa

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Well he won the Mr Europa award, which is the more ancient and prestigious one. Youngest player ever to win it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Europa

That's not the actual official FIBA award. Once again you would know that if you really were Spanish.

[Hyman]

That's not the actual official FIBA award. Once again you would know that if you really were Spanish.

Mr Europa award has been always the award to best european player

FIBA award is a recent invention.

Strange that an average european player won the most prestigious award in european basketball being only 18

[dab0yech0]

Lakas Fan is the same moron who said Spanoulis is as good as Chris Paul.

:roll: :wtf:

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Mr Europa award has been always the award to best european player

FIBA award is a recent invention.

Strange that an average european player won the most prestigious award in european basketball being only 18

Strange that you don't even know what the FIBA award is or what the Mr Europa is. Mr. Europa is like SI player of the year. FIBA award is like NBA MVP. In other words one is from a media company newspaper/magazine and one is an actual official award from a sports company.

Your arguments have gotten pathetically desperate.

[Hyman]

Strange that you don't even know what the FIBA award is or what the Mr Europa is. Mr. Europa is like SI player of the year. FIBA award is like NBA MVP. In other words one is from a media company newspaper/magazine and one is an actual official award from a sports company.

Your arguments have gotten pathetically desperate.

I dont know what the SI award is

I only know that Mr Europa has been always the award given to the best European player of the year. And that FIBA Europa is a recent invention

Its like in soccer between the Ballon d'or, which is given by a french magazine and the FIFA world player. Although ballon d'or is much more prestigious

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Olympiacos announced that Wafer can either stay with the team and get paid, but not play for the rest of the year because he performed so poorly or he can go back to the NBA and try to get a minimum contract, but he will have to relinquish his contract and remaining guaranteed money for this season ($1.8 million net) if he wants to do that.

[ds123]

Jokes on you, Teodosic and Vujcic were the only Oly players to even have a decent game and yes that includes your man crushes Papaloukas and Vasilopolous.

Let me guess, Printezis is the best player on Unicaja right? :oldlol:


Dude, honestly, I think the joke's on me because I have NO IDEA what you area saying it's like I'm reading a foreign language here.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

http://www.talkbasket.net/news/von-wafer-history-for-olympiacos-officially-2777.html

Von Wafer history for Olympiacos, officially

We had reported some days ago that Olympiacos and Von Wafer's agents had already begun negotiations to terminate their co-operation and tonight it was made officially known that Von Wafer is history for Olympiacos.

Olympiacos officially announced the release of the player, who could sign with the Memphis Grizzlies any day now. The reason for his departure is the failure to adapt to Olympiacos' style of game and poor performance.