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JSub

10-27-2006, 02:55 AM

Mutombo nearly goes into stands
Center provoked by racial slurs, wants NBA action

By JONATHAN FEIGEN
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

ORLANDO, FLA. - An incensed Dikembe Mutombo was restrained from going into the stands after a fan shouting racial slurs on Thursday and said that if the NBA objects to his behavior, next time he will not be stopped.

Mutombo flashed an obscene gesture at the fan and began walking toward him when Rockets trainer Keith Jones and game official Phil Robinson intervened.

"If they didn't kick him out of this arena, he would have seen me off the court," Mutombo said. "I will not accept that. We are not in the '60s. People have paid the price for us to be where we are today. For him to call a black man a monkey in the middle of the game, he was in the second row, for him to stand up and call, 'Mutombo the monkey,' is an insult. It insulted my integrity, my body, my family, my race."

Holding his thumb and forefinger a quarter-inch apart, Mutombo said he was "this close" to going in the stands.

When asked if he expected to be fined for his gesture, he said, "If they fine me, I will go straight to the stands next time and (mess) somebody up."

Magic spokesman Joel Glass said Robinson contacted a security official who brought in police to escort the fan from the arena. The incident was turned over to NBA Security, he said.

"I want to see what the league will do," Mutombo said. "I hope they won't allow him in the arena any more. I'll call the commissioner (David Stern) myself.

"He's got no business to be in the arena. If he's not going to come and watch the game and enjoy it, the beauty of this game, the success of the league, he should not be allowed. The league is getting tougher on the player. We need to get tougher to ... the people who accuse us and mistreat us.

"Guys like Kareem (Abdul-Jabbar), Bill Russell, Oscar Robinson, they don't want to see this happen to today, to our generation, what they witnessed in their lifetime when they were playing to pay the price for what we have today.

"It's sad that this is still going on in America."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/4291536.html

Although I found some of his quotes here funny, his comments on the era of Kareem and Russell strike a chord in the past racial state of the United States. We usually dont think about this side of sports, but when a respected player makes such a comment, it shines light upon a reality blanketed by camera lights.

Your thoughts?

reppy

10-27-2006, 03:10 AM

I was at a playoff game when Blazers were facing Dallas and there was this obnoxious white kid in front of me that kept saying **** to Nejera like, "Go back to Mexico!" I wanted to punch the kid in the back of the head. It pissed me off.

Tips4

10-27-2006, 03:16 AM

People like that shouldnt be allowed on Arenas and Mutombo is right he should probably be banned for life by the NBA. Mutombo doesnt deserve a fine here, he never went to the stand even though the moron deserves to get his a$s kicked.

jaydacris

10-27-2006, 03:19 AM

Kblaze8855

10-27-2006, 05:04 AM

I think he will get fined. Not suspended though. Wait did he even get off the court? If not im not sure hes even fined.

They fined Vernon maxwell when he got in a fight with a fan who not only was using racial slurs but making fun of the fact that his baby girl had just died. And the NBA gave him like the biggest punishment in league history at the time after Kermit Washingtons. I think he got 10-15 games and a 20 thousand dollar fine.

If Stern will fine you for going after a guy who insulted your race and laughed at your dead baby he doesnt care about Mutombos feelings in this. If Mutombo stepped into the stands even a foot I think Stern fines him.

reppy

10-27-2006, 05:26 AM

I think ultimately.. regardless of what was said by the person.. you can't go into the stands. You can end up hurting children and innocent fans when you go into the stands. The NBA ill needs another fiasco like the Pacers-Pistons incident. However, I think players should be able to point out fans that are being especially unruly and foul for removal.

That said.. I still think the NBA, and American sports in general, are home to some of the more respectful fans in general. Soccer hooligans anyone?

Kebab Stall

10-27-2006, 05:36 AM

Football (Soccer) hooligans here in England is a major problem. I havn't really heard of much going on lately but then again I'm not a fan of football so I wouldn't really know.

PsychoWorm

10-27-2006, 06:27 AM

maybe the great stern :bowdown: will install soundproof perspex cages around the courts to keep us safe from these depraved psychotic animals :confusedshrug:

it could happen to your kids

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/nba/_photos/2004-11-19-inside-brawl.jpg

saKf

10-27-2006, 01:23 PM

Can we all agree to yell at these people and get them to shut the crap up or get themselves ejected when these things happen at games? It's just wrong. There should have been no fewer than fifteen people in his immediate area screaming at the guy to shut up.

PsychoWorm

10-27-2006, 01:29 PM

http://www.nba.com/media/sixers/fan2_020227.jpg

"Who wants to brawl Mutombo?"

Darkess

10-27-2006, 01:55 PM

VCDrivesAPorscheToWork

10-27-2006, 02:19 PM

because everyone loves and abuses freedom of speech, this is the consequence. :rolleyes:

the law specifically states if Mutumbo and accosted someone spewing racial slurs at him, the burden of the fault would all be on him.

However, this man needs to be punished by NBA security for being a pest and a nuisance to one of the best shot blockers of all time, a devoted humanitarian, and a true class act such as Dikembe Mutumbo.

Solid Snake

10-27-2006, 03:17 PM

http://www.nba.com/media/sixers/fan2_020227.jpg

"Who wants to brawl Mutombo?"

I swear to god that guy holding that baby looks like Haywire from the Prison Break series. I guess he didn't go to Holland afterall...

Wicked_1

10-27-2006, 04:08 PM

that just makes me mad. I think hecklers are totally fine in games but there are just lines you dont cross as a fan and racial slurs are one of them. He should be banned from the stadium. The thing about it Mutumbo is a good guy in general and for the league for all of his community service and is definately a class act. He isn't going around spitting on people and talking trash back to the fans. So for a spectator to do that to him is just wrong.

ak47smohawk

10-27-2006, 04:27 PM

I don't advocate racial hatred towards anyone, however...

If someone calls you names and you beat them up at work, school, the parking lot etc, you could be charged with Assault. Calling someone names really isn't a crime(maybe you could file harassment charges depending on circumstance). You should not be punching people and expect no repercussions legally or otherwise. Even if the guy did say something like that, Dikembe would definitely get sued and lose if he punches a guy for calling him names.

rezznor

10-27-2006, 07:48 PM

mere words, no matter how hateful or racist, is adequate provocation for assault or battery. the only exception is if those words place you in reasonable immediate fear for your safety, or the safety of another.

that being said, i'd wanna kick the guys ass too, but you gotta follow the law, else we'd just be savages.

Yao Ming

10-27-2006, 07:58 PM

a living legend

GOBB

10-27-2006, 08:17 PM

Mutombo didn't do anything, and that's good. He shouldn't have.

Words are just words. If you let it get under your skin, that's your fault. Sure, the guy who said them was a prick, but it's your choice how you react to those words. If you treat his words as if they don't matter, then indeed they don't.

Words are not just words. If you let them get under your skin you prove you're human. And the choice of words said can matter given the situation and how much self respect, pride and dignity you have. Maybe that racial slur doesnt affect you but there are things that can be said to get under your skin. Fact.

bigkingsfan

10-27-2006, 08:21 PM

They're athletes, they should be better trained to handle verbal slurs. This is nothing compared to african americans athlete overseas... primarily soccer.

GOBB

10-27-2006, 08:23 PM

They're athletes, they should be better trained to handle verbal slurs. This is nothing compared to african americans athlete overseas... primarily soccer.

No they shouldnt be trained. What nonsense, who taught you that? Hopefully not a relative because they just embarrassed your family.

bigkingsfan

10-27-2006, 08:29 PM

Oh please athletes gets racial slurs all the time, if they had to respond to every slur we have multiple incidents every day.

GOBB

10-27-2006, 08:44 PM

Oh please athletes gets racial slurs all the time, if they had to respond to every slur we have multiple incidents every day.

How many times has Mutombo been called a MONKEY? How many times has that word been used to insult players? Go ahead and let me know jackass.

A commentator used the word monkey and not even in the negative contest and got roasted. Players, fans frowned upon the usage and the commentator apologized and was embarrassed. So why the outcry when that was said considering you say athletes should be trained. Guess that was different huh?

What bball arenas do you know of that have fans shouting racial slurs all game long? I've never heard it...I've heard curse words and I've also witnessed fans of the same team complain about a heckler using curse words around them and/or thier kids when they were present. I witnessed a fan telling another off but shouting a curse word. I've never sat and witnessed racial slurs used in a baseball, basketball or football game. Ever. So since you claim its done...when, where :confusedshrug:

The guy who said the racial slur got pointed out by many fans who were also asking for his removal. But yeah being called a monkey, the n word, a ch!nk, wetback are all common things said and players should get used too it.

Please shut your ignorant misinformed ass the phuck up kid. You're clueless.

bigkingsfan

10-27-2006, 08:52 PM

GOBB

10-27-2006, 09:13 PM

Thanks for the opinion. Also, thanks for the conclusive proof that you're a ****ing retard. Racial slurs and athletes goes in hand in hand, it's the price you pay for being a celebrity. You obvious don't know the difference between public figures and private citizens.

And you've done little to NOTHING to prove this. You're basically talkin out your ass. If you're not going to support your BOGUS claims then take some better advice and SHUT THE PHUCK UP. You're a classic example of someone who should just keep his terrible and offbase comments to themselves. But they cant swallow thier pride and dont like being biiitch slapped with the GoBB to honest truth. Feel free tho to throw me a barrage of players who have been called racial slurs tho. Come on...give me more.

The last time a racial slur was used and caused an uproar was soccer. The infamous headbutt when nasty things were said by a team that is said to be known for having racist players on thier team. You think of Italy played an african team and the words like monkey were used that nothing would happen? If I'm not mistaken and I dont have much knowledge on soccer and its rules...i believe there are harsh penalities if players use racial slurs vs one another.

But yeah fans throw those out daily and you as an athlete should be trained. What a phucking joke you are. You'll never in your life hear a fan at an NBA game call Yao Ming a ch!nk and Yao brushes it off because he is trained to handle it. You'll never see fans tolerate that being thrown Yao Ming's way either. WHY? Because things of that nature arent said. So shut your trap kid. Or continue to reply expose the DUMBASS for which you are.

bigkingsfan

10-27-2006, 09:16 PM

The last time a racial slur was used and caused an uproar was soccer.
And I'm the clueless one, if you think that was the last time a racial slur was used in soccer. :roll: And I never say players should brush it off, they just can't make a scene out of it.

Does this mean you concede my point and now agree with me?

I'll have to assume so.

GOBB

10-27-2006, 09:29 PM

And I'm the clueless one, if you think that was the last time a racial slur was used in soccer. :roll: And I never say players should brush it off, they just can't a big scene out of it.

Does this mean you concede my point and now agree with me?

I'll have to assume so.

If athlete are trained to brush off racial slurs then why does soccer have a strict rule about racial slurs? :confusedshrug:

Who knows what is said in soccer. I dont watch the sport much to make much of an assessment. But I know for a fact basketball, baseball, and football racial slurs arent thrown at players from fans and taken on the chin. And I dont hear of many reports from players that they have been called racial slurs during a game. Tiger Woods was upset Fuzzy Zeller racist comments. Tiger is an athlete and should have been trained right?

Agree with what? You claim that players hear racial slurs all the time and thats FALSE. Aint no one agreeing with shiiit dumbass. Still waiting for incidents where fans have used racial slurs towards players. And players towards one another in bball, football, baseball. They hear racial slurs all the time right? Show it.

rezznor

10-27-2006, 09:48 PM

they dont have to brush it off, but they cant go in the stands and punch someone. they can go point the guy out and he will get kicked out. if he charges into the stands then he is no better then artest. yes, it sucks. yes the
racist needs his ass kicked, but mutombo doesnt need to stoop himself to the guys level. all that will happen would be he sues mutombo and deke is gonna have to pay him. i'd rather that money goto dekes hospital.

LakersDynasty

10-27-2006, 09:51 PM

rezznor

10-27-2006, 09:52 PM

bigkingsfan

10-27-2006, 09:54 PM

Because racism in soccer has gotten out of control, you have crap like bananas on the field, monkey noise when black touch the ball.

Racism exist throughout our life, what makes you think it doesn't exist in sport ? A lot of it goes unnoticed because the media doesn't cover it, (a random quote from an unknown is not news worthy) the only time they do is when a player lash back.

GOBB

10-27-2006, 09:59 PM

btw GOBB, your wrong about soccer. there is rampant racism in soccer. they were throwing bananas onto the field over the summer during the tournament. there is a huge campaign in soccer now to clean that part of it up. its worse over there then it ever is over here.

Yeah i figured i was...like i said my knowledge on soccer in general and racism in soccer is limited. No problem admitting that and i wont front like I have a clue.

But in America? Racism exists...but as far as racial slurs being thrown around by fans? Nah. By players? I find it hard to believe after Eli Manning gets sacked he would dare call a player a monkey. I find it hard to believe a fan calling Yao Ming a racial slur and it go unnoticed.

Athletes in America are not trained to brush off racial slurs. Not gonna touch abroad but over here it dont fly. What happened to Mutombo is NOT a common thing in todays sports. Period. And no Mutombo doesnt have the right nor should he go into the stands...not arguing what he should have done. Just arguing the the affect of racial slurs affects American athletes. There is no brushing it off, getting used to it because racial slurs are said all the time.

rezznor

10-27-2006, 10:04 PM

yeah im pretty sure we are agreeing. noone with any pride is gonna let someone call them a monkey or ***** or whatever and not wanna beat some ass, but the athletes gotta be smart about it. they may feel better by curbstomping the punk, but that dude will just make money off them in the end. leave it to the officials to take care of **** like that, no need to get their hands dirty.

GOBB

10-27-2006, 10:05 PM

bigkingsfan

10-27-2006, 10:09 PM

No doubt about it. I agree.

Yet you disagree with my main argument

"they should be better trained to handle verbal slurs"

:stupid: Nice contradiction, I'll let it slide though.

GOBB

10-27-2006, 10:20 PM

Yet you disagree with my main argument

"they should be better trained to handle verbal slurs"

:stupid: Nice contradiction, I'll let it slide though.

Reacting and being upset as Mutombo was is normal. Handling racial slurs better would mean not rsorting to physical violence. IE Mutombo going into the stands and pounding his skull in. Not just athletes but human beings in general have to operate under these same rules when at the job. Cant just react and toss someone thru a window because of a racial slur. But to say that person cant be affected is wrong. To say the person hears racial slurs all the time is wrong. No contradiction here at all. I'm telling you racial slurs thrown at athletes in America isnt as common as you think it is so them being trained to hear it and let it roll off thier chin aint happening. They're gonna react and what you want them to do is not react in a physical manner is all.

Like i said what happened to Mutombo I'd like for you to find other cases where that happened. If it has happened enough where athletes hear it all the time Mutombo wouldnt have reacted the way he did. Period.

insidehoops

10-29-2006, 07:51 AM

bump

GOBB

10-29-2006, 11:02 AM

"You're a damn bum! You suck! Overpaid bum!"
"My grandmom can shoot better than you and she is bed ridden!"
"The franchise should be embarrassed to sign a crap player like you!"
"You're a phucking bum!"

Things athletes can tend to hear and the "you get used to it" enters into play.

"You're a monkey!! *makes sound*"
"Stupid ape, look at you! Go back to Africa!"
"Hey ching chong man where my rice? You suck!"
"Stupid ch!nk!"
"Wow we got a wetback in the league, quick build a fence. No more no more!"

Things athletes dont hear and if they do the whole "you get used to it/you're trained" doesnt enter into play. Think lin between heckling and ignorace. Mutombo hearing he has hands of stone, he's old, he sucks is one thing, being called a monkey is another.

The End.

jbot

10-29-2006, 04:27 PM

i don't get it. if i were a rascist, the last place i would spend my time is attending a live sports game where there aren't many white guys out there on the court running around. :confusedshrug: it's stupid for mutumbo to get fined for doing nothing. stern doesn't understand anyway, he's some short, white guy. he's never gonna hear someone call him a "old honkey" or something. that just doesn't happen.

Inspector Rick

10-29-2006, 04:39 PM

I hate to say athletes should brush it off, but I would like to see them not react to it and at the same time security should promptly remove the abrasive fan from the arena. NBA players have to conduct themselves in a certain manner, fans should should also.

However, I do admire the clever witty hecklers. They bring a fun element to the game, especially when the player starts jawing back.

LakerRaider

10-29-2006, 04:49 PM

Words are not just words. If you let them get under your skin you prove you're human. And the choice of words said can matter given the situation and how much self respect, pride and dignity you have. Maybe that racial slur doesnt affect you but there are things that can be said to get under your skin. Fact.

Wow. No disrespect, but I distinctly remember your words during the World Cup Final. When there were rumors that Zinadine Zidane was being called a racial slur by Marco Materazzi, you said that no matter what Marco Materazzi said, Zinadine Zidane should've kept his cool.

You never ever said things you said on your comments.

Now it happens to a basketball player, you suddenly become an ambassador of Peace or something on the whole issue.

I think you even said that if a racial slur was used against you, you wouldn't do anything.

You were playing the whole thing off like it was nothing.

Hypocrisy at its finest.

Again, no disrespect.

wang4three

10-29-2006, 04:55 PM

Mutombo shouldn't go to the stands, nor should any player, but at the same time, they have a right not to take that type of abuse. No one does, public or private, doesn't matter. Just because one is a celebrity doesn't mean you can go off calling him/her racial slurs, that's just ridiculous. It happens, no doubt, but doesn't make it any more right. If anything, players should be given the right to remove fans if they're heckling them too much.

It's one thing to say "you suck" or "fat ass," but to insult someone's creed, skin color, or family member, is intolerable. Those qualities are what defines humans, not a player. Being overpaid or lazy defines them as a player, but when you start getting to who they are first, which are humans, then you cross the threshold and deserve to be punshied.

That's my opinion. In high school games, I heard racist slurs from the stands like "****** don't play basketball," , "your mother sell good fried rice" and I would've love to run into the stands with the bench chair, or throwing my own racial jokes back, but I guess people are always idiots.

LakerRaider

10-29-2006, 05:04 PM

Racism sucks. We've all had our fair share of racism and some of us are speaking from experience.

I guess if Dikembe Mutumbo ran into the stands, I would understand why he did. He's human. If somebody called me a racial slur, I'd be mad.

I don't think David Stern will fine him. He's trying to make the National Basketball Association global. If he fines him, it's going to tell everybody around the world that it's not safe to play in the National Basketball Association because they don't provide a safe and fair enviornment for their workers to work in.

I don't think there will be a fine or even a punishment. If there is a fine or punishment against Dikembe Mutumbo, expect there to be alot of ruckus in the news, especially with elections coming up.

Jerm

10-29-2006, 11:56 PM

BigKingsfan is a clown, nobody tolerates racial slurs on anybody in soccer. If your fans racially abuse any player, they're banned for life and you're forced to play some home games in an empty stadium. A player was just suspended for 5 games for using a racial slur on South African Benni McCarthy and Macedonia was punihsed for yelling racist chants on Black English players. You have no clue what you're talking about, so just STFU!

Kblaze8855

10-30-2006, 07:01 PM

PTI said the guy sent Mutombo a letter saying he was sorry, donated 5000 dollars to charity, and promised not to attend another game until Mutombo said he could.

I did not expect that.

bigkingsfan

10-30-2006, 07:12 PM

ALBballer

10-30-2006, 07:17 PM

TheHonestTruth

10-30-2006, 07:38 PM

TheHonestTruth

10-30-2006, 07:39 PM

"You're a monkey!! *makes sound*"
"Stupid ape, look at you! Go back to Africa!"
"Hey ching chong man where my rice? You suck!"
"Stupid ch!nk!"
"Wow we got a wetback in the league, quick build a fence. No more no more!"

Should've added "You're slow and soft!" directed to white people by black people in this list.

JSub

10-31-2006, 01:17 AM

Update:

The heckler, Hooman Hamzehloui, has been banned from NBA games in all arenas for a year. Just reward?

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6117032

wang4three

10-31-2006, 01:52 AM

PTI said the guy sent Mutombo a letter saying he was sorry, donated 5000 dollars to charity, and promised not to attend another game until Mutombo said he could.

I did not expect that.

Wow.

EricForman

10-31-2006, 03:07 AM

you know, i understand why Black people normally take "monkey" as a racist term towards them. But in Mutombo's case, HE DOES LOOK LIKE A MONKEY. Even if he's freaking White or Asian, he still does.

So I dunno if the dude even meant it as a racist term.

bagelred

10-31-2006, 09:47 AM

There's no excuse for going into stands ever. It's just words.

If you accept Mutombo's rationale, then you accept anyone's rationale going into stands. I mean, everyone is offended by something different right?

To be honest, although the guy yelling it is a racist do*chebag, he has the right to scream it in my opinion. He didn't use profanity, he didn't make a physical threat, he didn't say an obvious racial slur like n*gger, he said "monkey". Now I know we all know its racist, but technically, IMO, there's no reason to kick him out or ban him. It's free speech, he paid for his ticket, he has the right to heckle if he wants....

To put it in perspective, in European countries, there are places where the WHOLE STADIUM is chanting racial slurs in unison....I saw a special about it on ESPN. It's incredible what they put up with.

I'm not saying the guy ain't an ahole, but he has right to say monkey and there's nothing anyone should do about it. And Mutombo has NO RIGHT going into stands. It's even ludicrous he said that.

What's next? If someone curses out your mother, can you go into stands? What if someone says your child molester? Or if they say your daughter is hot? Unless your trying to save your own life, you can never go in the stands. Period.

wang4three

10-31-2006, 12:57 PM

To be honest, although the guy yelling it is a racist do*chebag, he has the right to scream it in my opinion. He didn't use profanity, he didn't make a physical threat, he didn't say an obvious racial slur like n*gger, he said "monkey". Now I know we all know its racist, but technically, IMO, there's no reason to kick him out or ban him. It's free speech, he paid for his ticket, he has the right to heckle if he wants....

Free speech does not give you the right to say harmful things.

To put it in perspective, in European countries, there are places where the WHOLE STADIUM is chanting racial slurs in unison....I saw a special about it on ESPN. It's incredible what they put up with.

Hello, sir, we are in America. We haven't been part of Europe since the American Revolution. Get your facts straight.

I'm not saying the guy ain't an ahole, but he has right to say monkey and there's nothing anyone should do about it. And Mutombo has NO RIGHT going into stands. It's even ludicrous he said that.

Mutombo doesn't have the right to go to the stands but he does not have to take that kind of abuse. If you were standing in a room with me calling me a *****, you can make sure I'd do something about. Secondly, if NBA players are getting fined for criticizing the refs, you can make sure that NBA fans are subjected to the same scruitiny. These players are here to entertain us, so a level of respect should be granted. If he was screaming at Mutombo that he was old and slow, ok, that's part of the game. However, in this nation, we work against just characterizing and generalizng a race.

What's next? If someone curses out your mother, can you go into stands? What if someone says your child molester? Or if they say your daughter is hot? Unless your trying to save your own life, you can never go in the stands. Period.

No one went into the stands. If Mutombo went into the stands you can bet your ass he get suspended. he was voicing his opinion, which is also a free speech matter, if you didn't realize.

bigkingsfan

10-31-2006, 01:36 PM

You can call Yao ming "ching-chong-yang-wah-ah-soh," without punishment, and go under the radar.
http://espn.go.com/nba/news/2003/0110/1490645.html - Shaq

But it's not okay to call Mutombo a monkey. I'm aware Shaq was most likely joking around, and it slipped, but the same can be apply to the guy.

GOBB

10-31-2006, 01:46 PM

There's no excuse for going into stands ever. It's just words.

No its not just words. Maybe to YOU but not to OTHERS. Keep that in mind. There is only so much a person will tolerate when it comes to disrespect.

If you accept Mutombo's rationale, then you accept anyone's rationale going into stands. I mean, everyone is offended by something different right?

He shouldnt go in the stands just like someone should slam a coworker up against a wall when called a racial slur. Emotions can take over and sometime the better judgement, you pride will have you reacting in a physical manner. This right here PROVES its not just words.

To be honest, although the guy yelling it is a racist do*chebag, he has the right to scream it in my opinion. He didn't use profanity, he didn't make a physical threat, he didn't say an obvious racial slur like n*gger, he said "monkey". Now I know we all know its racist, but technically, IMO, there's no reason to kick him out or ban him. It's free speech, he paid for his ticket, he has the right to heckle if he wants....

No he doesnt have the right for verbal abuse. There is a fan code of conduct. The whole "Freedome of speech" thing cant be ran behind when you say things you know you shouldnt. NBA has a fan and player code of conduct. On tickets for the most part there are rules/regulations and if you're a season ticket holder you are aware of fan tolerance and behavior.

There is a good reason to ban because the fan knew the rules and if he didnt that is his fault. We penalize players for going into the stands but allow fans to throw whatever they want and say whatever they feel because they pay to get in the arena? Negative. I cant call my supervisor a flaming homosexual diickhead. Cant call them a racial slur either. Well I can but you know the outcome of that and how it affects my future employment when i go for a new job. Ask yourself why the outcome isnt me saying "freedom of speech!" and my supervisor moving on and taking it on the chin like you suggest Mutombo should do.

Really simple here. There is no argument.

To put it in perspective, in European countries, there are places where the WHOLE STADIUM is chanting racial slurs in unison....I saw a special about it on ESPN. It's incredible what they put up with.

I like some facts, articles the whole nine on this because I've heard from people who live over there that isnt the case. That if fans begin to chant racial slurs games can be called, forfeited and games can be cancelled there. Also if it happens again another game wouldnt be played that or something to that extent. That there are penalties and punishment for these racist chants that people are saying happens.

I dont know about europe/soccer but if anyone has info on what goes on over there start throwing some credible sources that i can read. And racism in America is the issue. What happens overseas is irrelevant. Race is and has alwyas been a senstive issue where the outcomes have been violent. Look at the reactions of when Rodney King's verdict came in. Look at the divide when OJ Simpson verdict came in.

I'm not saying the guy ain't an ahole, but he has right to say monkey and there's nothing anyone should do about it. And Mutombo has NO RIGHT going into stands. It's even ludicrous he said that.

Mutombo said if he were FINED by the league for his comments about how disgusting the fan was, how livid he was and that he had to be restrained...then next time he will go in the stands. THats why he said he would go in the stands next time. League said it wouldnt fine Mutombo.

The fan doesnt have a right to call Mutombo a monkey. Get over yourself.

What's next? If someone curses out your mother, can you go into stands? What if someone says your child molester? Or if they say your daughter is hot? Unless your trying to save your own life, you can never go in the stands. Period.

And if you're a fan at the game you can never go over the line when it comes to heckling. There are lines you dont cross. And no freedom of speech right can protect you. Everyone who is speaking out and defending the fans right for calling Mutombo a monkey has the same silly theme "its just words", "he has a right to say what he wants" but everyone has a line including yourself. And when someone crosses it a outcome will take place. You know it and I know it. Only people who arent affected by words and actions are those with no heart or soul.

GOBB

10-31-2006, 01:49 PM

bigkingsfan

10-31-2006, 01:59 PM

Shaq got roasted for that too. Whats your point?
The story was bury in the beginning, and no one ever use it as a reference to this day, ESPN should of refer to Shaq in the latest incident, because of the similarity, (same goes for J Will) but they'd would rather keep it off radar. (bad for business) National and local news organizations have consciously ignored Shaq's racist comment. LA Times, Sports Illustrated, the Associated Press, and other news organizations offered them information about this story. They did not want to write about it. The only reason anyone knows about Shaq's taunt is because Fox Sports Radio's Tony Bruno Morning Extravaganza played a recording of the taunt several times to its nationwide audience on December 16 and 17. On the latter day, Bruno commented that Shaq's comment was "not racist," and then invited listeners and radio commentators to call in jokes making racist fun of Chinese. For hours, people cracked jokes, such as offering free bike parking to increase Chinese attendance at basketball games. Double standard between the two is bull****.

GOBB

10-31-2006, 02:03 PM

The story was bury in the beginning, and no one ever use it as a reference to this day, ESPN should of refer to Shaq in the latest incident, because of the similarity, but they'd would rather keep it off radar. (bad for business) National and local news organizations have consciously ignored Shaq's racist comment. LA Times, Sports Illustrated, the Associated Press, and other news organizations offered them information about this story. They did not want to write about it. The only reason anyone knows about Shaq's taunt is because Fox Sports Radio's Tony Bruno Morning Extravaganza played a recording of the taunt several times to its nationwide audience on December 16 and 17. On the latter day, Bruno commented that Shaq's comment was "not racist," and then invited listeners and radio commentators to call in jokes making racist fun of Chinese. For hours, people cracked jokes, such as offering free bike parking to increase Chinese attendance at basketball games. Double standard between the two is bull****.

Pretty much explains your replies in here. You're bitter at the double standard.

bagelred

10-31-2006, 02:09 PM

No its not just words. Maybe to YOU but not to OTHERS. Keep that in mind. There is only so much a person will tolerate when it comes to disrespect.

Well last time I checked it's just words. Sorry, it's Motombo's job to ignore everything said in the stands. Period. That's the way it is. Fans can say some really nasty things sometimes. That's life.

He shouldnt go in the stands just like someone should slam a coworker up against a wall when called a racial slur. Emotions can take over and sometime the better judgement, you pride will have you reacting in a physical manner. This right here PROVES its not just words.

Players are paid big bucks to ignore the fans. Fans have been heckling players since the beginning of time. I'm sure Jackie Robinson heard a few racial slurs in his day. It's part of your job to completely ignore it. Pride? Bullsh*t. Enough with this "disrespect" bullsh*t. Players are professionals, and have to act professional by ignoring the fans. Period.

No he doesnt have the right for verbal abuse. There is a fan code of conduct. The whole "Freedome of speech" thing cant be ran behind when you say things you know you shouldnt. NBA has a fan and player code of conduct. On tickets for the most part there are rules/regulations and if you're a season ticket holder you are aware of fan tolerance and behavior.

I realize there is a fan code of conduct, but booing, heckling, deriding players happens in every pro sports game. Some of the heckling is profane, rude, disrectful, etc. That's the way it is. I didn't realize the word "monkey" is not allowed in the arena.

There is a good reason to ban because the fan knew the rules and if he didnt that is his fault. We penalize players for going into the stands but allow fans to throw whatever they want and say whatever they feel because they pay to get in the arena? Negative. I cant call my supervisor a flaming homosexual diickhead. Cant call them a racial slur either. Well I can but you know the outcome of that and how it affects my future employment when i go for a new job. Ask yourself why the outcome isnt me saying "freedom of speech!" and my supervisor moving on and taking it on the chin like you suggest Mutombo should do.

Really simple here. There is no argument.

Fans are not allowed to throw anything. That's an immediate ejection from stadium.

Fans can't say anything they want. But I don't think the word "monkey" is outlawed, is it?

Why are you equating fans deriding players with workplace situations. Two completely different animals (no pun intended).

I like some facts, articles the whole nine on this because I've heard from people who live over there that isnt the case. That if fans begin to chant racial slurs games can be called, forfeited and games can be cancelled there. Also if it happens again another game wouldnt be played that or something to that extent. That there are penalties and punishment for these racist chants that people are saying happens.

I dont know about europe/soccer but if anyone has info on what goes on over there start throwing some credible sources that i can read. And racism in America is the issue. What happens overseas is irrelevant. Race is and has alwyas been a senstive issue where the outcomes have been violent. Look at the reactions of when Rodney King's verdict came in. Look at the divide when OJ Simpson verdict came in.

Here ya go. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwpO-nnFY9g

Mutombo said if he were FINED by the league for his comments about how disgusting the fan was, how livid he was and that he had to be restrained...then next time he will go in the stands. THats why he said he would go in the stands next time. League said it wouldnt fine Mutombo.

The fan doesnt have a right to call Mutombo a monkey. Get over yourself.

I don't think Mutombo is wrong for saying he was livid. But he still can't go in the stands. Period.

And if you're a fan at the game you can never go over the line when it comes to heckling. There are lines you dont cross. And no freedom of speech right can protect you. Everyone who is speaking out and defending the fans right for calling Mutombo a monkey has the same silly theme "its just words", "he has a right to say what he wants" but everyone has a line including yourself. And when someone crosses it a outcome will take place. You know it and I know it. Only people who arent affected by words and actions are those with no heart or soul.

Sorry. No excuses. Words are words. If you are a professional ballplayer, someone could yell profanity three feet away from you and curse out your mother, but you have to ignore it. Sorry. I suppose the player could complain to security if it gets too voracious, but that's about it. It's called self control. If you personally don't have self control, then that's your problem I guess.

Rasheed1

10-31-2006, 02:14 PM

Rasheed1

10-31-2006, 02:23 PM

Sorry. No excuses. Words are words. If you are a professional ballplayer, someone could yell profanity three feet away from you and curse out your mother, but you have to ignore it. Sorry. I suppose the player could complain to security if it gets too voracious, but that's about it. It's called self control. If you personally don't have self control, then that's your problem I guess

this is a very disingenuous argument...

words are not just words...people communicate thru words...people use words to form propaganda against whole groups of people, people use specific words to demean or incite specific people

words are very powerful and you spouting that weak line about "words are words" is just lame attempt to make your argument absolute....

cowards like this guy use slurs for a reason...to make a better person stoop to their level...and then when they get punched in the face they all of the sudden go looking for the law to mediate a problem they provoked....

bagelred

10-31-2006, 02:25 PM

this is a very disingenuous argument...

words are not just...people communicate thru words...people use words to form propaganda against whole groups of people, people use specific words to demean or incite specific people

words are very powerful and you spouting that weak line about "words are words" is just lame attempt to make your argument absolute....

cowards like this guy use slurs for a reason...to make a better person stoop to their level...and then when they get punched in the face they all of the sudden go looking for the law to mediate a problem they provoked....

Professional players are paid lots of money to play the game and ignore the fans, no matter what they say. If you are really affected by someone in the stands, tell security and let them deal with it appropriately. That's it.

Jerm

10-31-2006, 02:27 PM

I wondered why there are soo many people emphasizing the guys right to throw racial insults around at a public event.... until I realized that this is ISH and most of the posters here can relate to the jack ass in the stands more than a guy like mutombo.....

The guy has no right to act like that in any arena...

You're an idiot most of the time but you hit the nail right on the head there.

http://www.oregonzoo.org/Cards/Primates/images/monkey.francois.jpg

http://www.netaid.org/images/gaa/judges/2004/mutombo_170.jpg

This is for that cvnt EricForman, how the hell do they look alike?...Skin colour? Nahh, Facial features?..Nahh. You're one silly asian!

Rasheed1

10-31-2006, 02:28 PM

Professional players are paid lots of money to play the game and ignore the fans, no matter what they say. If you are really affected by someone in the stands, tell security and let them deal with it appropriately. That's it.

Players dont get paid to accept racial insults and slurs of any kind at any time....so just stop it..

players get paid alot of money to play basketball.... not listen to cowards up in the stands shooting off their mouths without repercussion

how much money a person gets paid has no bearing on the level of respect that every person deserves

bagelred

10-31-2006, 02:32 PM

Players dont get paid to accept racial insults and slurs of any kind at any time....so just stop it..

players get paid alot of money to play basketball.... not listen to cowards up in the stands shooting off their mouths without repercussion

how much money a person gets paid has no bearing on the level of respect that every person deserves

Let security deal with anything they feel is over the line or inappropriate. As a player, its your job to ignore it. Block it out. That's what your paid to do. What is this where everyone thinks a specific insult MUST be retaliated against. Show restraint. Let security do their job and you play ball.

bigkingsfan

10-31-2006, 02:35 PM

http://www.webbusiness.no/webprivat/usa/upfiles/bush_monkey.jpg
Bush is closer to a monkey that anyone, and gets reference to it all the time. You see him complaining? Suck it up and play.

Rasheed1

10-31-2006, 02:39 PM

As a player, its your job to ignore it. Block it out. That's what your paid to do.

stop saying this.... this is bullsh*t..

player's job is not ignore it, block it out... the player's job is to play basketball... they arent supposed to be dealing with this type of stuff... do you understand that?

do you realize the league is slacking in its duty to make the game safe and enjoyable for every one attending when they shrug their shoulders at guys who go over board with the namecalling and slurs?

Should the kids and old folks in the area "just block it out" too? How another person of color sitting nearby...

The league needs to be as tough with this stuff as it was for the all the other things that stern enforces his laws on..

Its good the guy is banned from all stadiums....thats the least the NBA could do to support their players and stop cowards from ruining the game experience for everyone....

Rasheed1

10-31-2006, 02:42 PM

Bush is closer to a monkey that anyone, and gets reference to it all the time. You see him complaining? Suck it up and play.

you yell out that Bush is monkey to his face at one of his events and I garauntee secret service will come to your section and escort you to jail on some trumped up verbal assault type charges

bagelred

10-31-2006, 02:45 PM

stop saying this.... this is bullsh*t..

player's job is not ignore it, block it out... the player's job is to play basketball... they arent supposed to be dealing with this type of stuff... do you understand that?

do you realize the league is slacking in its duty to make the game safe and enjoyable for every one attending when they shrug their shoulders at guys who go over board with the namecalling and slurs?

Should the kids and old folks in the area "just block it out" too? How another person of color sitting nearby...

The league needs to be as tough with this stuff as it was for the all the other things that stern enforces his laws on..

Its good the guy is banned from all stadiums....thats the least the NBA could do to support their players and stop cowards from ruining the game experience for everyone....

I never said security shouldn't address the situation. But it's not Motombo's job to deal with the fans. His job is to play ball.

I just don't like double standards. Fans boo, heckle, deride, do everything in the stands, a guy says "monkey" and he's banned for life. Doesn't feel in proportion to me.

Personally, I would have ejected the guy for the game and took him to arena security and said. "listen, knock that off. Any other racial slurs and it's going to be season ejection". The guy would have got the message and that's that. A complete ban from every stadium in the NBA? Holy crap. Even child molesters get to go to games. Guy says one questionable slur, banned for a year? Yeah, that's in proportion. :rollingeyes:

GOBB

10-31-2006, 02:48 PM

Well last time I checked it's just words. Sorry, it's Motombo's job to ignore everything said in the stands. Period. That's the way it is. Fans can say some really nasty things sometimes. That's life.

Show me that is his job to ignore everything said in the stands. His job is to play basketball. That is why he gets paid big bucks. So you're WRONG. And last time i checked its just words to YOU not ANYONE ELSE. Seems you cant get that thru your thickskull. If you were at a game and had young children with you and a heckler next to you was shouting curse words. You wouldnt say a thing to that heckler? You let him continue cursing up a storm in front of the younger kids you brought to the gam because you dont own a pair of balls. But feel free to pull out your "he has a right, freedom to voice his opinions. thats life, fans can say nasty things even if these kids have to hear it". There is no way on Earth you have kids and allow negative words being repeatedly said in front of your kids. You wont be raising the "its just words" argument anymore.

Players are paid big bucks to ignore the fans.

No they are not. They are told about how hostile fans can be and often instructed "Dont sweat it." and those things said are "You guys suck, you cant play, you're garbage"...normal taunting. They are not prepared or trained for being called racial slurs and other ignorant things. That is a fact. Jason Kidd and her son were subjected to fans heckling them...security had to get involved. But hey thats just fans being fans right? Price you pay for being an athlete and having your wife and son at a game. :rolleyes:

Fans have been heckling players since the beginning of time. I'm sure Jackie Robinson heard a few racial slurs in his day.

Yes he heard more than a few and couldnt REACT because the consequences back then were far more SEVERE then today! You call a black athlete a "n*gger" and see what happens. Say it to thier face after a game and see what happens. Jackie Robinson couldnt do a thing because he would have been lynched. Dont dare compare that era to today. Blacks back then went thru the worst of shiiit so blacks right now dont have to put up with it verbally. Sure its said but not as often nor open as it once was. Bad example.

It's part of your job to completely ignore it. Pride? Bullsh*t. Enough with this "disrespect" bullsh*t. Players are professionals, and have to act professional by ignoring the fans. Period.

No they dont have to ignore racial slurs and other ignorance. You're wrong. Maybe you need to do yourself a favor and look for the fan code of conduct.

I realize there is a fan code of conduct, but booing, heckling, deriding players happens in every pro sports game. Some of the heckling is profane, rude, disrectful, etc. That's the way it is. I didn't realize the word "monkey" is not allowed in the arena.

You also arent a black man or from africa either. So you cant relate to how that word affects someone like Mutombo who has experienced racism more than you ever will. I wasnt aware fans were so insensitive and completely ignorant at racial slurs being thrown around as something you shrug off. And to say you get paid to put up with that is beyond pathetic. This aint phucking Gladiator.

Fans are not allowed to throw anything. That's an immediate ejection from stadium.

And they are not allowed to use racial slurs and shout obsensities either. If you're a fan and sit by someone who does that you can report them to security and chances are they will be removed. I've seen it firsthand. Guy had 2 kids at a game and 2 college students who were boozed up were shouting curse words and other crazy comments. Dad asked them to cut it out, he has 2 younger kids here. They didnt, he reported them and they were ejected.

Fans can't say anything they want. But I don't think the word "monkey" is outlawed, is it?

Everyone with a brain knows the implication of the word monkey.

I don't think Mutombo is wrong for saying he was livid. But he still can't go in the stands. Period.

"If I get fined, I will go straight into the stands the next time."

That is Mutombo's comments. If he gets fined by the league and the fan doesnt get punished he would go into the stands because the league isnt protecting its players. That was Mutombo's beef if the league reacted in a way he feels is unjust. But they didnt. So next time it happens if it ever does he is less likely to go in the stands...especially after the league took action and the fan wrote an apologetic letter.

Sorry. No excuses. Words are words. If you are a professional ballplayer, someone could yell profanity three feet away from you and curse out your mother, but you have to ignore it. Sorry. I suppose the player could complain to security if it gets too voracious, but that's about it. It's called self control. If you personally don't have self control, then that's your problem I guess.

Self control? You're full of shiiit.

Rasheed1

10-31-2006, 02:50 PM

I just don't like double standards. Fans boo, heckle, deride, do everything in the stands, a guy says "monkey" and he's banned for life. Doesn't feel in proportion to me.

where is the double standard?

People yell & boo and cheer in a movie theatre too... yet if you yell fire you get booted

:confusedshrug:

everyone know not to cross certain lines... there is no double standard..

if you act a fool, you get banned from attending NBA games... sit at home and yell slurs at your TV because you dont have enough sense to be seen in public with normal folk

GOBB

10-31-2006, 02:54 PM

I never said security shouldn't address the situation. But it's not Motombo's job to deal with the fans. His job is to play ball.

I just don't like double standards. Fans boo, heckle, deride, do everything in the stands, a guy says "monkey" and he's banned for life. Doesn't feel in proportion to me.

Personally, I would have ejected the guy for the game and took him to arena security and said. "listen, knock that off. Any other racial slurs and it's going to be season ejection". The guy would have got the message and that's that. A complete ban from every stadium in the NBA? Holy crap. Even child molesters get to go to games. Guy says one questionable slur, banned for a year? Yeah, that's in proportion. :rollingeyes:

Questionable? Its a no brainer...you sound like a defense attorney trying to fool the jury. Its not questionable to anyone with a CLUE. He said it, he wanted to say the harshest thing to piss Mutombo off or maybe he feels that way about black people? Africans?

America is still dealing with race. This country has an issue with race relations. Lots of history revolved around race and racial slurs. Why ignore this? You cry double standard but ignore the history of how racial slurs are big no no's in our society here. You cant shout out Yao Ming is a ching cong ch!nk motherphucker because the guy in front of you is calling him overrated and sucks. You cant relate and say the two are one in the same. Country is sensitive when it comes to race but you are clueless to it for some reason. :confusedshrug:

bagelred

10-31-2006, 02:59 PM

Questionable? Its a no brainer...you sound like a defense attorney trying to fool the jury. Its not questionable to anyone with a CLUE. He said it, he wanted to say the harshest thing to piss Mutombo off or maybe he feels that way about black people? Africans?

America is still dealing with race. This country has an issue with race relations. Lots of history revolved around race and racial slurs. Why ignore this? You cry double standard but ignore the history of how racial slurs are big no no's in our society here. You cant shout out Yao Ming is a ching cong ch!nk motherphucker because the guy in front of you is calling him overrated and sucks. You cant relate and say the two are one in the same. Country is sensitive when it comes to race but you are clueless to it for some reason. :confusedshrug:

I just think punishment should fit crime. Full season ban for a slur? That's some overreaction.

What happened to old days when a security guard would just go over and say "Would you knock it off?"

Maybe we wouldn't be so overly sensitive on race if we all didn't overreact big time. Just a thought.

Also, I'm not really talking about what happens in the stands. I'm talking about MOTOMBO's REACTION. Players are taught over and over and over and over and are trained as a professional to completely ignore the fans, no matter what they say. When did players get so "weak" they can't handle it? Get some inner strength. Let security do their job and handle the fans going over the line.

bigkingsfan

10-31-2006, 03:03 PM

Shaq - Slap on the wrist for yao ming comments.

Jay Will- 15k fine, for profanity such as "Are you a f4g?" “slant-eyed motherf****r.” “I will shoot all you Asian motherf****rs,” while imitating machine gun sounds.

Fan - "Monkey", one year ban.

There's a double standard...

Rasheed1

10-31-2006, 03:07 PM

I just think punishment should fit crime. Full season ban for a slur? That's some overreaction.

What happened to old days when a security guard would just go over and say "Would you knock it off?"

Maybe we wouldn't be so overly sensitive on race if we all didn't overreact big time. Just a thought

sad that you are trying to downplay the problem...

Im sure you didnt disagree with the fine and suspension Artest and others got for responding to the ass holes up the stands...

If slurs arent a big deal, then why would going into the stands be a big deal?

:confusedshrug:

common sense tells me that there wouldnt be any fear of players going into the stands in the league stepped up and demanded the fans not act like savages when they come to games....

you cant create a bunch of rules for the players and still allow the fans to behave any way they please with no repurcussion...it doesnt work like that..

eauclaire447

10-31-2006, 03:11 PM

words are just words??? i think not. words are our most powerful tool. they can build someone up or completely break them down. they have started and ended wars. they are the only impression most of the people you will ever come in contact with will ever get of you. granted, our country prides itself on freedoms such as this, but these freedoms werent constituted to allow public displays of hate. shame on everyone around him that didnt force him to stick his foot in his mouth. i dont know about you, but some things people say can be far worse than an action. i hate racist bigots like this that think that their actions are justified because its "just heckling". i think that this should go both ways though. i dont think anyone should get away with calling a white player honky or cracker either. one thing that is clear cut is equality.
i have alot of african american friends and respect them very much as people, i dont think anyone deserves more respect than another or reparations or any of that stuff.

Rasheed1

10-31-2006, 03:13 PM

[quote]Shaq - Slap on the wrist for yao ming comments.

Jay Will- 15k fine, for profanity such as "Are you a f4g?"

eauclaire447

10-31-2006, 03:14 PM

[QUOTE=bigkingsfan]Shaq - Slap on the wrist for yao ming comments.

Jay Will- 15k fine, for profanity such as "Are you a f4g?"

GOBB

10-31-2006, 03:17 PM

The league has sent a message. Players have complained that no fan accountability has been non existent. The fans now see what a racial slur can get you. Think twice before opening thier mouth. Put fears into the jerks and give some players a sense of comfort knowing the league has thier back and not just the fans.

bigkingsfan

10-31-2006, 03:17 PM

are you talking about jason williams from miami #55???????//
wow, never knew he said that
Yep

I wouldnt have any problem with creating protocol for players who do the same stuff....

But to argue against getting rid of bad fans is just dumb especially because you just bitter over something else that has no bearing on this subject at all.......

Shaq saying something ignorant about yao Ming has no significance to this situation....

you dont neglect this situation because of a different one.... makes no sense at all

If you don't see the similarity you're a monkey.

bagelred

10-31-2006, 03:17 PM

sad that you are trying to downplay the problem...

Im sure you didnt disagree with the fine and suspension Artest and others got for responding to the ass holes up the stands...

If slurs arent a big deal, then why would going into the stands be a big deal?

:confusedshrug:

common sense tells me that there wouldnt be any fear of players going into the stands in the league stepped up and demanded the fans not act like savages when they come to games....

you cant create a bunch of rules for the players and still allow the fans to behave any way they please with no repurcussion...it doesnt work like that..

I didn't say no recurcussions. Let security do their job. Let them determine when fans are crossing the line and they'll take appropriate actions. It's not players concern what goes on in the stands. You are there to play ball. You have to pretend there is a wall between you and the fans, like they are not there. And if something is out of control, TELL SECURITY.

I think the fines/suspensions players got were appropriate. Can you imagine if Artest ran into the stands and accidentally stomped on a little girl and killed her? Can you imagine the reaction by the league? Lifetime ban and criminal charges....

The fan who threw that cup should have been ejected and charged with a misdemeanor or something. Straight to police. But Artest decided to take law into his hands, and a riot ensued.

So you are comparing words (slurs) with physical violence? Think it thru dude. Huge difference. If you can't distinguish, I feel sorry for you.

Yes, I agree. Fans shouldn't act like savages and stadium security needs to step up and take action. I don't disagree. Just keep any punishment in proportion that's all....Fans are ejected from games all the time for outrageous behavior, a racial slur isn't any different...but a season ban? wow....

Rasheed1

10-31-2006, 03:28 PM

So you are comparing words (slurs) with physical violence? Think it thru dude. Huge difference. If you can't distinguish, I feel sorry for you.

Im showing you that one begets the other and if you dont realize it, I feel sorry for you....

Words and actions are different, but Ive seen how cowards act and cowards seem to think (wrongly) that running your mouth in a reckless fashion shouldnt get you punched in your face...

well Im telling you it does.... and the best thing for NBA basketball would be to regulate both the fans and the players...not just the players..

all that crap about "block it out" & "suck it up" that stuff is not gonna get players to stop running in the stands...

you know what will get them to stop?..... when the fans act like human beings and the league gets players to believe they will handle it thoroughly when fans go overboard..

all this talk about how much money Mutombo makes and how professional he should is just garbage....

any man will object to people demeaning his character so personally...it doesnt matter who that person is or how much he gets paid, and his employer should be on the same page with him as far as making his workplace a safe environment to work in...

bagelred

10-31-2006, 03:32 PM

Im showing you that one begets the other and if you dont realize it, I feel sorry for you....

Words and actions are different, but Ive seen how cowards act and cowards seem to think (wrongly) that running your mouth in a reckless fashion shouldnt get you punched in your face...

well Im telling you it does.... and the best thing for NBA basketball would be to regulate both the fans and the players...not just the players..

all that crap about "block it out" & "suck it up" that stuff is not gonna get players to stop running in the stands...

you know what will get them to stop?..... when the fans act like human beings and the league gets players to believe they will handle it thoroughly when fans go overboard..

all this talk about how much money Mutombo makes and how professional he should is just garbage....

any man will object to people demeaning his character so personally...it doesnt matter who that person is or how much he gets paid, and his employer should be on the same page with him as far as making his workplace a safe environment to work in...

You are saying words and slurs are justification for violence.

I say words are just words. And players are grown adults and have self control.

I guess we disagree.

I'm not an expert on the subject, but i'm sure Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. might feel like I do.

eauclaire447

10-31-2006, 03:36 PM

i bet MLK would agree with the banning of anyone who acts in such a manner

bagelred

10-31-2006, 03:38 PM

i bet MLK would agree with the banning of anyone who acts in such a manner

How is it a guy who says "monkey" is banned, but a guy who gets into a fight in the stands and acts like an out of control drunken ahole gets ejected and probably can go to the game the next day?

Something is strange there....

Rasheed1

10-31-2006, 03:43 PM

You are saying words and slurs are justification for violence.

No Im saying that in reality, one begets the other... not that they should, but that they do... and we live in reality

I say words are just words. And players are grown adults and have self control.

I guess we disagree.

I understand that, I just dont think it is realistic or fair to the players and other fans who all have to act extremely professional (or just oblivious) while one ass hole gets to act a fool and ruin the experience for alot of people because he is too drunk or just too stupid to act like he has some self respect...its not a fans right to act any way he wants

I'm not an expert on the subject, but i'm sure Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. might feel like I do.

Evryone loves dead people who are no longer a threat... When those guys were alive, people werent feeling their "nonviolent" talk...

It just goes to my point about reality versus 'in theory' ..... in theory, I believe what Martin Luther king did......but in reality, I know that in the end he got killed for his words... so for all his courage and great ideas, reality still remained the same... Words from one group provoked violence from the other group..

^thats really a different issue for another time^

but anyway... we just disagree

eauclaire447

10-31-2006, 03:45 PM

How is it a guy who says "monkey" is banned, but a guy who gets into a fight in the stands and acts like an out of control drunken ahole gets ejected and probably can go to the game the next day?

Something is strange there....
were artest and jackson allowed in the arena during their suspension?

bagelred

10-31-2006, 03:48 PM

No Im saying that in reality, one begets the other... not that they should, but that they do... and we live in reality

I understand that, I just dont think it is realistic or fair to the players and other fans who all have to act extremely professional (or just oblivious) while one ass hole gets to act a fool and ruin the experience for alot of people because he is too drunk or just too stupid to act like he has some self respect...its not a fans right to act any way he wants

Evryone loves dead people who are no longer a threat... When those guys were alive, people werent feeling their "nonviolent" talk...

It just goes to my point about reality versus 'in theory' ..... in theory, I believe what Martin Luther king did......but in reality, I know that in the end he got killed for his words... so for all his courage and great ideas, reality still remained the same... Words from one group provoked violence from the other group..

^thats really a different issue for another time^

but anyway... we just disagree

I'm not saying fans should be allowed to do anything. You keep harping back to that.

I'm saying the players should have nothing to do with it. No talking back. No confrontations. Just tell security if it bothers you.

You always have a choice of what to do. If a player is being bombarded with racial slurs, you know what he can do? Walk off the court into the locker room and refuse to play. How's that for an option? See you have options on how to react. You don't need to resort to violence because of words. You make it seem players are uncontrollable animals and MUST react to certain slurs. I'm saying they are intelligent human beings and can react in a smart way if something goes over the line.

GOBB

10-31-2006, 03:54 PM

Fans need to have self control because they make up adults and professionals as well. You cant hold players to one standard then fans another. Ever since the BRAWL things have changed. Players have spoke out that the fans get away with a lot and as players they are restricted by any means. They dont think its fair...league has to protect the player just like they do the fan. Players cant go into the stands by any circumstance but the fan can do as they please because they paid for a ticket, they have free speech, they can say "fans always act an ass, so what?" and players are TRAINED (funny) to ignore hecklers no matter what they do or say.

Wait nba players are robots? Not human? Sweet. Let me buy one. :rolleyes:

Still waiting why its ok for a fan to shout curse words, racial slurs because words are words but when its done around kids at the game...words become more than just words. Why is that? No one here would allow thier kid to be around an unruly fan even if you are aware how fans can get. Words arent just words then. But when you target the robots on the court then they are. Dont worry the robot is programmed not to be affected. This is apart of being a fan. Look at them spooks run! :roll: Run spook run, phucking homos! Look at Rasheed act like a monkey, omg. Classic! And well this is ok. Robot wont run into the stands but the 9yr old kid subjected to the fan? Hey kid words are just words. Close ya ears or laugh it off.

League had to act. It sends a message.

bigkingsfan

10-31-2006, 03:56 PM

GOBB

10-31-2006, 03:58 PM

Rasheed1

10-31-2006, 03:59 PM

You make it seem players are uncontrollable animals and MUST react to certain slurs. I'm saying they are intelligent human beings and can react in a smart way if something goes over the line.

No, Im just being realistic and looking at the problem from a common sense view point...

If Im stern and I really want these problems to go away, I handle both the players and fans

first you say player make soo much money they should be able to block it out, now you say they can do alot of thing besides go into the stands...

but you never bother to offer a solution to the problem... you are too busy defending the jack ass who cant control his mouth....

there is no reason to defend this clown or argue that he should be allowed in an NBA arena ever again let alone in a year...

my main point is that slurs will incite violence and all the other stuff you are saying is just mumbo jumbo background noise...

How's that for an option? See you have options on how to react. You don't need to resort to violence because of words.

instead of trying to teach the players how to deal with unruly fans, why not just regulate the fans? Why should mutombo and others shoulder even more responsibility while fans shoulder little to none?

That is not a logical way to solve the problem

Mutombo made it clear that he wants the league to do something about these racists who have nothing better to do than show up at a game and act a fool.....I agree with what the league did, and I hope they do it on a more consistant basis...that will send the message to all these clowns who think its funny to act without brains at a game...

very simple

bagelred

10-31-2006, 04:08 PM

And the fan has a choice to not cross the line when it comes to throwing words at players. You are saying what players should do, what options they have and act like fans are savages with no rules, morals, values, respect. They were raised to be fools? I dont think so. You can delete player and insert fan and repost it as a 2nd post to fans. Players dont go in the stands and beat up fans and fans dont provoke players to that point by saying certain things they KNOW will draw a reaction. Goes both ways...but your posts have only went one way.

Yes, there is a higher standard of conduct players are held to than fans. Fans boo, fans heckle, fans drink, fans act like morons...

When the fans cross the line, security should take action.

Players are professionals. Professionals don't cross the line. Standards are higher for them.

It's like anything a fan does is justification for a reaction by the player. IT'S NOT!!

It's like in the street if somoene curses out your mother, and you shoot them in the head. "Well, he cursed out my mother. He crossed the line. What was I supposed to do? I reacted because I'm sensitive about that. It's not MY fault".

Players have a higher level of responsibility and need to let security decide how to control fan behavior. If the player feels he can't perform his job anymore do to fan behavior, then complain, tell security or leave the court. But you can't confront the fan.

bagelred

10-31-2006, 04:09 PM

there is no reason to defend this clown or argue that he should be allowed in an NBA arena ever again let alone in a year...

Way to keep things in perspective.

jbot

10-31-2006, 04:14 PM

wow, i can't believe the retard that was hecklin' mutumbo isn't even white. i'm glad to see they banned him too. the arena is one place that players should feel they are able to let their guard down a bit and concentrate on just playing the game.

GOBB

10-31-2006, 04:17 PM

Wow. No disrespect, but I distinctly remember your words during the World Cup Final. When there were rumors that Zinadine Zidane was being called a racial slur by Marco Materazzi, you said that no matter what Marco Materazzi said, Zinadine Zidane should've kept his cool.

You never ever said things you said on your comments.

Now it happens to a basketball player, you suddenly become an ambassador of Peace or something on the whole issue.

I think you even said that if a racial slur was used against you, you wouldn't do anything.

You were playing the whole thing off like it was nothing.

Hypocrisy at its finest.

Again, no disrespect.

Yes because I condoned Mutombo leaping into the stands and cracking the fans skull right? Or headbutting the fan like Zidane did the Italian right? I condoned the violence that resulted from the racial slur that was thrown at Mutombo. In fact I support and applaud it so much right LakerRaider? I have the youtube video of the incident and get off watching the guy get pulverized. The physical violence that Mutombo displayed was great. Wait, hold up no violence was done. :confusedshrug:

Nothing i said in the Zidane topic was similar to the Mutombo topic. Absolutely nothing. So what are you saying? Where is the hypocrisy? Or is your reading and comprehenshion skills on low? It's ok, boost it back up. Being hypocritical is saying Mutombo should have ran into the stands and beat the fan down. But I didnt, what i did saw was it would be wrong for Mutombo to go in the stands, to stoop to his level...rather just point out the fan and let security handle it. Which they did.

And most of your post is confusing another poster with me. I never said if a racial slur was used against me I'd do nothing. Wrong guy bruh. So you're wrong with most of your reply. Typical of you tho:rolleyes:

Rasheed1

10-31-2006, 04:20 PM

Way to keep things in perspective.

you make me laugh...

you are overly concerned about being fair to guy who has proven he doesnt deserve to attend a game.....you worry about this jack ass right to come back and talk how its unfair to ban him for a year when the guy could sit home and watch games....fans dont have a right to attend a NBA game... its a privlege

If I go to the chinese store around the corner and start calling them all kinds of names, they'll kick me outta their store for good.....

Not unfair because I would have earned it....just like this guy yelling monkey at a basketball game

thefact that you are overly worried about him be able to come to another game is just pathetic... he willfully thru that out the window...

wang4three

10-31-2006, 04:20 PM

I'm not saying fans should be allowed to do anything. You keep harping back to that.

I'm saying the players should have nothing to do with it. No talking back. No confrontations. Just tell security if it bothers you.

You always have a choice of what to do. If a player is being bombarded with racial slurs, you know what he can do? Walk off the court into the locker room and refuse to play. How's that for an option? See you have options on how to react. You don't need to resort to violence because of words. You make it seem players are uncontrollable animals and MUST react to certain slurs. I'm saying they are intelligent human beings and can react in a smart way if something goes over the line.

You gotta be ****ing kidding me if you believe this. How dare you justify any type of racist action. Just because they're professionals they should act like they're better? If Mutombo or any PERSON lets that go, it's called silent endorsement. And secondly, your example of shooting some guy in the head is some sort of horrible extereme. All Mutombo wants is an apology and action to be taken that's EXTREMELY DIFFERENT than shooting a guy for what he said. Do you not just see it?

As a fan of the NBA, are you saying you are below proffesional basketball players? That they're better and have stronger wills than you? Hell no. You're basically making all of us look like kids and that professional basketball players are these God-like creatures who exemplify morals beyond our grasp. That's some serious bull****, if you ask me. As fans we have a moral obligation to the AMERICAN society (none of your Europe based crap) to be sensible, and sensitive to each other, including NBA players. Mutombo should not to go into the stands, but he doesn't deserve to be discriminated base on his race.

You seriously need to get your morals in line.

GOBB

10-31-2006, 04:27 PM

Yes, there is a higher standard of conduct players are held to than fans. Fans boo, fans heckle, fans drink, fans act like morons...

When the fans cross the line, security should take action.

Players are professionals. Professionals don't cross the line. Standards are higher for them.

It's like anything a fan does is justification for a reaction by the player. IT'S NOT!!

It's like in the street if somoene curses out your mother, and you shoot them in the head. "Well, he cursed out my mother. He crossed the line. What was I supposed to do? I reacted because I'm sensitive about that. It's not MY fault".

Players have a higher level of responsibility and need to let security decide how to control fan behavior. If the player feels he can't perform his job anymore do to fan behavior, then complain, tell security or leave the court. But you can't confront the fan.

Its amusing to see you throw out these extreme situations. If you were with your mother and i insulted her in front of you. You would do nothing is basically what you are saying. If you say otherwise this reply and others are nothing more then you talkin out your ass for the sake of it. A person wont shoot someone in the head if thier mother gets cursed out but they would get physical with that person. But according to your logic the person who is defending their mother from being disrespected is wrong...and should understand its just words. Brush them off right? My mother wouldnt look at me as her son and I would feel less of a man having to look in the mirror each day that some prick disrespected her in my prescence and i did nothing.

Dont go extreme with no gun shot to the head. Obviously snatching someones life vs their mother being disrespected isnt one in the same. Cut the nonsense out.

There are professionals in attendance and adults. WHY do you ignore this?

Did you address the situation where a kid is at the game and the fan is throwing around curse words and occasional racial slurs (you know words that are just words)? What do you do if I called players racial slurs and cursed repeatedly in front of your family? In front of you young kids? You turn to your wife and say "Hey honey, this is the price we pay for coming to the game."? Or do you address the heckler in front of you or next to you shouting those things?

THe guy shouted monkey out for all to hear...Mutombo heard it but so did other FANS. Made up of adults, professionals, woman and kids. Its ok for them to hear this. Or is it? Fans need to know when they cross the line and he did. All you do is tell me what the players conduct should be but the fan is just that a fan and its expected. What if there were blacks around the guy using the racial slur? What if Mutombo kids were nearby and heard it? See you dont think about none of this.

Just the player shouldnt react and enter the stands. Ok the player doesnt acknowledge it and wont enter the stands. He doesnt even look the guys way. But guess what? A dozen or more fans heard the racial slur and are subjected to hearing it until that fan gets what he wants...a reaction from that player on the court.

bagelred

10-31-2006, 04:51 PM

This is fun.

Once again, everyone has me defending the racist. I'm not defending him and I don't defend unruly fans from acting like aholes. I just think security should be the ones to handle the situation.

If someone is being completely out of hand and I brought my kids to game, I would ask them to stop. If they didn't, I would ask security to do something. I probably wouldn't expect the player to run into the stands and "take care" of the situation.

I also think punishments should fit the crime. Fans are allowed and even encouraged to boo, yell, heckle, chastise the opponent. If someone steps over the line and yells something racial (possibly in a drunken state), LIFETIME BAN!!! Way to keep perspective....

If someone says something offensive, have the security guard threaten him to shut his trap, he'll get the message, and if he doesn't, then he's ejected. I think that would be appropriate.

I don't think players should react to it, think about it, and need to ignore it. In those extreme circumstances where they can't, tell security, tell police officers, or do something appropriate as a professional.

Standards of conduct are higher for players than fans:

Fans are allowed to boo at the top of their lungs, players can't

Fans are allowed/even encouraged to heckle the opponents, players can't say anything to fans.

Fans can drink alcoholoic beverages, players can only use steroids (joke).

Fans can yell at referees all they want. Players would get ejected.

So yes standards are different.

geeWiz15

10-31-2006, 04:58 PM

GOBB

10-31-2006, 05:21 PM

Once again, everyone has me defending the racist. I'm not defending him and I don't defend unruly fans from acting like aholes. I just think security should be the ones to handle the situation.

You dont defend them but for the most part in your posts you all but said it was ok for them to say whatever they want. Freedom of speech. Words are just words. And since players are professional and trained to handle the heckling whats the big deal?

Now you're saying you dont defend unruly fans, dont condone the behavior and security should handle them. Whatever happened to the fans right to say whatever it is they want? Monkey isnt outlawed so why should security force them to stop sayin it? Freedom of speech flashlight cop..,beat it. Right?

Seems you're moonwalkin now. For the most part your theme is players shouldnt go in the stands for any reason. Boom we got that. What other arguments are fans shouldnt be saying those things in the first place. Boo'ing a player and being encouraged to boo is not the same as racial slurs. What is being argued by some is fans crossing the line should be held accountable. And fans in general need to be responsible for the things they say.

Rasheed1

10-31-2006, 05:24 PM

I also think punishments should fit the crime. Fans are allowed and even encouraged to boo, yell, heckle, chastise the opponent. If someone steps over the line and yells something racial (possibly in a drunken state), LIFETIME BAN!!! Way to keep perspective....

bagel

this not the american justice system..... Any business can set those rules any way they like... If you go to a golf course and get drunk and berate the other patrons...you could get ejected for good....

this idea of 'perspective' is not applicable when it comes to privliges like attending an NBA game...

if you abuse the privlige(sp?) its gets taken away from you...you dont have a right to say when it should be returned, if it ever is returned... you f*ck up and you have to watch games from the crib or at a sports bar....

NBA officials and players and other fans who happen to know how to conduct themselves in public dont need to be insulted by the presence of this guy who has already proven he doesnt know how to act in public..

he doesnt deserve any perspective, but if he is alllowed back he should count his bleesings and wear duct tape over his yap when attends a game from now on

Standards of conduct are higher for players than fans:

no they arent and they shouldnt be either.... each group has equal resposibility to maintain an enjoyable environment..

you have this silly idea that fans should be able to act a fool and it not be a big deal...while players behavior should be strictly regulated... its not realistic... you talking nonsense

fans can yell & boo and say things to players...but they cant use racial slurs or personal insults... how hard is that to comprehend and abide by?

this nonsense about players being held to a higher standard is just garbage...

booing is acceptable

yelling is acceptable

talking smack is acceptable

racial slurs are not acceptable

personal insults are not acceptable

bagelred

10-31-2006, 05:39 PM

You dont defend them but for the most part in your posts you all but said it was ok for them to say whatever they want. Freedom of speech. Words are just words. And since players are professional and trained to handle the heckling whats the big deal?

Now you're saying you dont defend unruly fans, dont condone the behavior and security should handle them. Whatever happened to the fans right to say whatever it is they want? Monkey isnt outlawed so why should security force them to stop sayin it? Freedom of speech flashlight cop..,beat it. Right?

Seems you're moonwalkin now. For the most part your theme is players shouldnt go in the stands for any reason. Boom we got that. What other arguments are fans shouldnt be saying those things in the first place. Boo'ing a player and being encouraged to boo is not the same as racial slurs. What is being argued by some is fans crossing the line should be held accountable. And fans in general need to be responsible for the things they say.

LOL

Look, all I'm saying is its a grey area.

Fans are allowed to heckle, boo, chastise, make noise, be loud, etc. Then sometimes they cross the line. I'm not saying it's right, but it happens. If it gets real bad and offensive, then security needs to take action.

We've all been to games where we hear people yell or scream stuff we've found offensive. Sometimes action is taken, many times its ignored as the ramblings of a moron.

From what it sounds, maybe that's how it should have been treated, ramblings of a moron. Security should have went over and said "knock it off".

But a season ban? Really? And people want a lifetime ban? over some dumb comments? Really? Reeeeeeeeeeeally?

bagelred

10-31-2006, 05:43 PM

bagel

this not the american justice system..... Any business can set those rules any way they like... If you go to a golf course and get drunk and berate the other patrons...you could get ejected for good....

this idea of 'perspective' is not applicable when it comes to privliges like attending an NBA game...

if you abuse the privlige(sp?) its gets taken away from you...you dont have a right to say when it should be returned, if it ever is returned... you f*ck up and you have to watch games from the crib or at a sports bar....

NBA officials and players and other fans who happen to know how to conduct themselves in public dont need to be insulted by the presence of this guy who has already proven he doesnt know how to act in public..

he doesnt deserve any perspective, but if he is alllowed back he should count his bleesings and wear duct tape over his yap when attends a game from now on

no they arent and they shouldnt be either.... each group has equal resposibility to maintain an enjoyable environment..

you have this silly idea that fans should be able to act a fool and it not be a big deal...while players behavior should be strictly regulated... its not realistic... you talking nonsense

fans can yell & boo and say things to players...but they cant use racial slurs or personal insults... how hard is that to comprehend and abide by?

this nonsense about players being held to a higher standard is just garbage...

booing is acceptable

yelling is acceptable

talking smack is acceptable

racial slurs are not acceptable

personal insults are not acceptable

OK so they are not allowed to make personal insults and racial slurs. Of course, this happens all the time at sporting events, but whatever.....

The point is let security make the decisions how to deal with these guys or if they feel they need to take action. Players should stay away from that stuff completely....

Kblaze8855

10-31-2006, 05:45 PM

bagelred

10-31-2006, 05:46 PM

bigkingsfan

10-31-2006, 05:49 PM

GOBB

10-31-2006, 05:52 PM

How do they ban you from all arenas anyway? Put your picture up or what? I just saw this guy 2 minutes ago and wouldnt know him if he walked in this room. Id figure with 20 thousand people buying tickets and coming in and out it would behard to be positive he didnt get in.

Basically. Make him pay a fine and be done with it. Dude said he wasnt gonna attend a game unless Mutombo gave him the ok. Sincere? Who knows. It could be the league handing out that punishment as a shocker. Maybe fans think "wow lifetime ban? Not gonna do that!". Everyone is not bright to think it out on "How could i get banned?". Really not sure of that type of punishment when you dont have ID's or barcodes on the back of your neck saying who you are. Sounds like Total Recall with Arnold. :roll:

It happened...time to move on as the season starts tonight.

Kblaze8855

10-31-2006, 05:57 PM

I was thinking they could put his name a list that could ban his creditcard but thats about it. not like he has to buy his ticket himself. Ever look on EBAY? tickets everywhere. And its not like all the arenas check your ID. I bet he could get in any arena he wanted if he just grew his hair out a bit. People checking the fans arent going to remember his face that well. There are lots of people banned from arenas. Once the pub on him dies down I doubt hed have much trouble.

GOBB

10-31-2006, 05:59 PM

Probably have your name and credit card # on a blacklist, that gets send out to all arena, it would be hard to monitor though, unless he shows up locally.

He doesnt have to purchase them. Someone else can put it on thier card. He's in.

bigkingsfan

10-31-2006, 06:00 PM

No ****, it's better than doing nothing, and hopes he doesn't show.

GOBB

10-31-2006, 06:06 PM

No ****, it's better than doing nothing, and hopes he doesn't show.

That punishment is like doing nothing genius. He can still go to other arenas if he so chooses.

bigkingsfan

10-31-2006, 06:07 PM

Umm no, if he shows up and they investigate and finds out he was using his original credit card, it's going to look bad on the NBA. They have to cover their end, if he choses to enter another arena, nothing is really going to stop him anyways... but they gotta at least try to implement it.

GOBB

10-31-2006, 06:11 PM

rezznor

10-31-2006, 06:12 PM

it's not hard to keep him out. every arena makes you go through security now, just let all the security people have his picture, boom, he's banned.

Kblaze8855

10-31-2006, 06:15 PM

Its really just a matter of the effort hes willing to put in. Osama Bin Laden could get into a game and not be found out if he were willing to put in the effort.

He grows out his hair a bit and gets a friend to carry the tickets on their card while he gives them the cash hes getting in. If he really had trouble get a 50 dollar fake ID and its a wrap. What are they gonna do? Take a DNA sample? They have 16 thousand people walking by them in about 45 minutes to an hour. you go to these games you see these guys going through tickets like nothing. its habit. they dont even look at you. And if they did some guy who works part time taking tickets or being security at games isnt a lock to spot one guy in a sea of thousands.

Im not saying its not worth it to try. It a good gesture and he should be thrown out. I just have trouble thinking they can keep a guy out of an arena if he wants to be there bad enough. Not like he stands out. If he were a Shogon like 6'8'' Beatles knockoff then maybe. He gets spotted. But this guy? Eh....

bigkingsfan

10-31-2006, 06:15 PM

He can use money. So much for credit card.

He can also wear a wig and makeup, like I said no rule is going to stop him. But the NBA is covering their ass, so if he happens to sucessfully trespass, they can at least said, "we tried," instead of "we didn't do ****."

GOBB

10-31-2006, 06:18 PM

He can also wear a wig and makeup, like I said no rule is going to stop him. But the NBA is covering their ass, so if he happens to sucessfully trespass, they can at least said, "we tried," instead of "we didn't do ****."

No shiiit captain obvious. :roll:

bigkingsfan

10-31-2006, 06:19 PM

You're the one who wanted a further explanation sherlock.

GOBB

10-31-2006, 06:20 PM

it's not hard to keep him out. every arena makes you go through security now, just let all the security people have his picture, boom, he's banned.

Not that simple...we saw a bald head, no facial having fan. He lets his hair grow and you have no clue. Boom he's in cheering.

Kblaze8855

10-31-2006, 06:20 PM

Coincidentally Around the Horn is about to discuss this. If the punishment will stick that is.

rezznor

10-31-2006, 06:23 PM

GOBB

10-31-2006, 06:26 PM

mutombo should go to his house and "discuss" it with him

Hooman Hamzehloui
7353 Sand Lake Rd #100
Orlando, FL 32819
Phone: 407-370-5700
Fax: 407-370-9393
Cell: 407-709-8632
Toll-Free: 1-877-313-5700

Did you read the link i posted? Mutombo forgave him. Dude wrote an apology and will donate $5,000 to a charity of Mutombo's and wont attend another game this year unless Mutombo says so.

What internet geek got ahold of his info tho?

rezznor

10-31-2006, 06:28 PM

i know mutombo forgave him, i posted an article on it in some other thread about this. looking up his address and picture was easy, drop his name off in google, it comes up on alot of pages, he puts his name out there alot cuz hes apparently a big time orlando realtor.

Kblaze8855

10-31-2006, 06:29 PM

I bet his voicemail is already full of hate from people who got that number online.

rezznor

10-31-2006, 06:30 PM

i agree, the punishment is fine. dude showed alot of remorse, although ill bet alot of it has to do with all the negative publicity hes getting, and it sure as hell is gonna hurt his business if hes known as a racist. thats gonna be more painful to him then being banned from the arenas. hit him in the pocketbook and his reputation

LakerRaider

10-31-2006, 07:05 PM

Yes because I condoned Mutombo leaping into the stands and cracking the fans skull right? Or headbutting the fan like Zidane did the Italian right? I condoned the violence that resulted from the racial slur that was thrown at Mutombo. In fact I support and applaud it so much right LakerRaider? I have the youtube video of the incident and get off watching the guy get pulverized. The physical violence that Mutombo displayed was great. Wait, hold up no violence was done. :confusedshrug:

Nothing i said in the Zidane topic was similar to the Mutombo topic. Absolutely nothing. So what are you saying? Where is the hypocrisy? Or is your reading and comprehenshion skills on low? It's ok, boost it back up. Being hypocritical is saying Mutombo should have ran into the stands and beat the fan down. But I didnt, what i did saw was it would be wrong for Mutombo to go in the stands, to stoop to his level...rather just point out the fan and let security handle it. Which they did.

And most of your post is confusing another poster with me. I never said if a racial slur was used against me I'd do nothing. Wrong guy bruh. So you're wrong with most of your reply. Typical of you tho:rolleyes:

When there were rumors that Zinadine Zidane was called a terrorist or some other racial slurs by Marco Materazzi, you said you would've held your cool and that was no big deal. I distinctly remember you acting all tough and just arguing with everybody like Diamonds, West-Side, and Jerm that the racial slur which was said to Zidane was no big deal. You were playing to down like it was no big deal.

Now it happens to something you can actually relate to, and all of a sudden it's a big deal and all of a sudden you become a sympathizer because you know more of Dikembo Mutumbo's accomplishments and you can directly sympathize with him.

I think it's hypocritical.

bagelred

10-31-2006, 07:06 PM

bigkingsfan

10-31-2006, 07:10 PM

I definitely think its some sort of "damage control". Trying to be as apologetic as possible.
They're sending out a big message because the league composes of mostly blacks.

bagelred

10-31-2006, 07:35 PM

They're sending out a big message because the league composes of mostly blacks.

You watched PTI also, didn't ya?

wang4three

10-31-2006, 07:54 PM

NBA only implents policy, they don't enforce it.

GOBB

10-31-2006, 08:01 PM

When there were rumors that Zinadine Zidane was called a terrorist or some other racial slurs by Marco Materazzi, you said you would've held your cool and that was no big deal. I distinctly remember you acting all tough and just arguing with everybody like Diamonds, West-Side, and Jerm that the racial slur which was said to Zidane was no big deal. You were playing to down like it was no big deal.

I said Zidane in a big game shouldnt have lost his cool and reacted thus getting EJECTED FROM THE GAME. As his team needed him. I said he should have showed some self control while others condoned the reaction. How is that being hypocritical when i all but said Mutombo going into the stands shouldnt be an option? How? I also said you can deal with that player after the game. But in that situation you cant lose your cool because he cost the team a World Cup. I argued that athletes hear it all but keeping thier cool in a BIG GAME is a must. I said you react you are the one getting ejected and not the guy who said the slur because officials dont/wont hearit for the most part.

Now it happens to something you can actually relate to, and all of a sudden it's a big deal and all of a sudden you become a sympathizer because you know more of Dikembo Mutumbo's accomplishments and you can directly sympathize with him.

I know about Mutombo's accomplishments? Irrelevant.

1. Mutombo shouldnt go in the stands because of a racial slur
2. The fan shouldnt be allowed to toss it out there without action being taken

Thats my position. The only thing i argued in here was people saying the fan didnt say anything that serious, just a word and i disagreed because Mutombo wouldnt be livid if it was just words. I also argued when someone said fans have the RIGHT to throw them out there which they shouldnt.

How does this relate to Zidane headbutting a guy and getting ejected because he lost self control in a big game? Oh its not the same.
I think it's hypocritical.

And you didnt show a thing that proves it is hypocritcal. Mutombo didnt go in the stands and hit the fan who said the racial slur. Zidane hit a player who said the racial slur causing him to get ejected. Both the fan and Italian player throwing the slurs were wrong. Where is the hypocrisy? That i dont agrew with a player reacting in a PHYSICAL MANNER when the word is thrown? Especially in Zidane case which was a World Cup. You keep your cool.

Nice try LakerRaider. :applause: