Derrick Rose Is A Disappointment (thread from Nov, 2009)

[Interminator]

I think it will be in a matter of the next 2 months that more people begin to call him a Disappointment because he hasn't lived up to the high expectations set, and there is a good chance he never does.

It was only a matter of time before the Derrick Rose hype died down on ISH, and now with there actually being people who consider that Brandon Jennings is better than Derrick Rose shows me its begun to happen.

What We Know:
1.) Derrick Rose has shown absolutely no heart, not many people ripped on him for being introverted on the court and not showing any emotion during the game. I look at the guy on the court and it doesn't look like he actually cares about the game, he shows absolutely 0 passion and plays lazily most of the game.

2.) Derrick Rose is absolutely a freak athlete at the PG position and possibly is the best athlete in the entire NBA.

3.) Derrick Rose will be unable to become a Top 5 even Top 10 PG in the NBA if he can't shoot. Derrick Rose did not work on his shooting this offseason and so far it looks like its gotten worse specifically from 15 feet out.

4.) Derrick Rose is definetly not the defender most people expected him to be in the NBA, he has great physical tools but he seems unmotivated to jump into the passing lanes or even contest shots. Brandon Jennings embarassed him last week, and Calderon had his way against Rose last night.

5.) Derrick Rose will be unable to be a #1 option in the NBA if he can't get to the foul line, hes averaging less than 3 FT attempts a game which is simply pathetic for a PG that can do nothing on offense but slash to the basket.

I completely agreed with all the hype about Rose coming out of Memphis, but I was not fully impressed with him last season. Of course he had a huge Playoff Game against Boston but he had games in that series where he completely disappeared.

I get a feeling I'm watching the next Lamar Odom play itself out.

[PleezeBelieve]

If the Bulls can get Wade, it will help. Rose is more Jason Kidd than CP3 without the elite passing skill. He has scoring ability but I think he'd be content playing a Kidd-like role next to a superstar.

[Kujo]

He hasn't looked great so far this season (he's apparently not 100%), but was an absolute beast in that classic playoff series against Boston last season. He put on one of the best playoff performances as rookie in the history of the league. I guess was more impressed with his performance than you were. :)

He'll come around. He does need really work on his outside shot, and his defensive intensity. Didn't realize he's only getting to the line 3 times a game. Crazy for someone who can get to the basket at will. He'll get better. Pretty harsh criticism 8 games into the season.

[allball]

Hey pal did you see the playoffs last year?

[Interminator]

If the Bulls can get Wade, it will help. Rose is more Jason Kidd than CP3 without the elite passing skill. He has scoring ability but I think he'd be content playing a Kidd-like role next to a superstar.
Derrick Rose is nothing like Jason Kidd, I thought he would be but he clearly isn't.

Jason Kidd hustled to grab boards on defense and bring the ball up the court for a fast break assist or set up an offense in the half court. Jason Kidd got after it on defense and was able to rack up 2+ SPG. Jason Kidd is clearly a better passer than Derrick Rose, the only difference is Kidd's flash caused him to turn the ball over while Rose has no flash and turns the ball over due to forcing things on offense. Jason Kidd actually could shoot, not efficiently, but his man could not leave him open further than 15 feet out from the basket.


Derrick Rose is a better athlete than he is a basketball player, he has the basketball IQ of a pistachio.

[Interminator]

Hey pal did you see the playoffs last year?
I did.

He went crazy in his first game with 36 points, 11 assists.

Then what happened?

Ben Gordon carried the Bulls in that series, Derrick Rose ran away from the ball in the 4th quarter of every game after game 1.

[Lebron23]

Derrick Rose just came back from injury. He is still not 100%.

[Interminator]

He'll come around. He does need really work on his outside shot, and his defensive intensity. Didn't realize he's only getting to the line 3 times a game. Crazy for someone who can get to the basket at will. He'll get better. Pretty harsh criticism 8 games into the season.

The problem is not that he can't get better, because Im sure over time he will.

The problem is that he hasn't shown the desire to want to be better and work his ass off to reach the potential most expect him to. If Rose tops out as a 17/7 player then he will be one of the biggest disappointments in NBA History considering what he could have become.

Lamar Odom is a disappointment.
Mike Bibby is a disappointment.
Rasheed Wallace is a disappointment.

In some ways people consider Shaq, Vince Carter, & T-Mac to be disappointments due to how much more they could have achieved if they had been dedicated from day 1 of their NBA career.

Dedication is what seperates a Kobe from a AI, VC, or T-Mac. Dedication is what seperates a LeBron from everyone listed at SF in the NBA. Dedication is what seperates a Tim Duncan from Dirk, Bosh, Amare, & Boozer.

[Interminator]

Derrick Rose just came back from injury. He is still not 100%.
Which means absolutely nothing because even if he were 100% he still plays with no heart, cant shoot, and plays Mickey Mouse defense.

[allball]

I did.

He went crazy in his first game with 36 points, 11 assists.

Then what happened?

Ben Gordon carried the Bulls in that series, Derrick Rose ran away from the ball in the 4th quarter of every game after game 1.

pure BS.

Game 4 - 23/9/11

Game 5 - 14/6/8

Game 6 - 28/7/8

there's a difference between running from the ball and deferring to the veteran go to player. your player evaluation skills are non-existent.

[hoopaddict08]

How many games are we in the season?

He is no disappointment. The guy will be one of the top point guards in the NBA. He is only 10 games into his second season. Give me a freaking break.

[dak121]

He's definitely not playing up to his abilities.

[hoopaddict08]

Right now everyone is shocked at how good Brandon Jennings has been, just wait a while, pretty soon he will be another one of those disappointing players.

[allball]

Which means absolutely nothing because even if he were 100% he still plays with no heart, cant shoot, and plays Mickey Mouse defense.

go back and look at the first 1.5 seasons of Isiah Thomas' career. by your standards he would have been a disappointment too.

[dawsey6]

Were in about 10 games into his 2nd season. Cut him a break, or at least wait until how he's doing this time next year before calling him a disappointment.

[StroShow4]

Athleticism is what seperates a LeBron from everyone listed at SF in the NBA.

Fixed.

[Interminator]

go back and look at the first 1.5 seasons of Isiah Thomas' career. by your standards he would have been a disappointment too.
Isiah was averaging 20 + PPG/8 Assists/2.5 SPG through 1.5 seasons of his career. He also was a #1 option for the Pistons.

How is that in anyways comparable to Rose.

Isiah also didnt come into the NBA with as much of potential/hype as Derrick Rose has at the PG position, Rose is one of the most hyped Guard prospects in NBA History coming out of college.

Invalid argument.

[A.M.G.]

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[Interminator]

pure BS.

Game 4 - 23/9/11

Game 5 - 14/6/8

Game 6 - 28/7/8

there's a difference between running from the ball and deferring to the veteran go to player. your player evaluation skills are non-existent.

Theres a difference between running from the ball when you're viewed as the team's #1 option and passing the ball off to a struggling scorer whos demanding the ball in crunch time.

Where was Derrick Rose in Game 2, Game 3, and most importantly Game 7?

The guy was a turnover machine and it forced Hinrich on the court for almost the entire game during the series.

On the same topic Rajon Rondo ate his ass up the entire series, Don't forget Game 6 when Rondo put up 19 assists with 0 turnovers on Rose. You think about that for a minute and tell me that happens in the NBA in a 5 on 5 game.

[Crazy Style]

What is this crap? Derrick will be fine, ecspecially when he get his allstar/superstar free agent team mate next season.

[Interminator]

Rondo averaged 21.5 PPG/11.7 APG/10 RPG/2.7 SPG on

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2009-04/46370578.jpg

That is the main reason why I was disappointed in Rose moreso than him disappearing in the clutch. He got humiliated on defense by an AIDS patient PG with no outside shot.

[Interminator]

What is this crap? Derrick will be fine, ecspecially when he get his allstar/superstar free agent team mate next season.
Which means absolutely nothing since he can't play off the ball.

Derrick Rose can't even execute a good pick & roll, how do you expect him to play well off of anyone of an All-Star caliber?

[sashaVujacic4mvp]

i think he's having a breakout season, reminds me of a veteran john stockton

[Bigsmoke]

Derrick Rose reminds me of a younger Steve Francis a lil bit. lets hope he doesnt turn out like him

[hoopaddict08]

Rondo averaged 21.5 PPG/11.7 APG/10 RPG/2.7 SPG on

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2009-04/46370578.jpg

That is the main reason why I was disappointed in Rose moreso than him disappearing in the clutch. He got humiliated on defense by an AIDS patient PG with no outside shot.

IT WAS HIS ROOKIE SEASON YOU IDIOT.

Rondo's rookie season playoff run: 0/0/0

Rondo's rookie season: 6/3/3

[sashaVujacic4mvp]

I still don't know why he's on basketball covers, with adidas, is actively a FACE of the NBA when he puts such mediocre stats up for his position.

Man when's my white ***** chris kaman gonna get more love :violin:

[wang4three]

Weren't you the one who called out Da KO King for slamming Rose?

['Toine=MVP]

He got humiliated on defense by an AIDS patient PG

:confusedshrug:

[sashaVujacic4mvp]

:confusedshrug:


:rockon:

[emsteez forreal]

there's such thing as a sophomore slump, right?

[emsteez forreal]

I think it will be in a matter of the next 2 months that more people begin to call him a Disappointment because he hasn't lived up to the high expectations set, and there is a good chance he never does.

It was only a matter of time before the Derrick Rose hype died down on ISH, and now with there actually being people who consider that Brandon Jennings is better than Derrick Rose shows me its begun to happen.

What We Know:
1.) Derrick Rose has shown absolutely no heart, not many people ripped on him for being introverted on the court and not showing any emotion during the game. I look at the guy on the court and it doesn't look like he actually cares about the game, he shows absolutely 0 passion and plays lazily most of the game.

2.) Derrick Rose is absolutely a freak athlete at the PG position and possibly is the best athlete in the entire NBA.

3.) Derrick Rose will be unable to become a Top 5 even Top 10 PG in the NBA if he can't shoot. Derrick Rose did not work on his shooting this offseason and so far it looks like its gotten worse specifically from 15 feet out.

4.) Derrick Rose is definetly not the defender most people expected him to be in the NBA, he has great physical tools but he seems unmotivated to jump into the passing lanes or even contest shots. Brandon Jennings embarassed him last week, and Calderon had his way against Rose last night.

5.) Derrick Rose will be unable to be a #1 option in the NBA if he can't get to the foul line, hes averaging less than 3 FT attempts a game which is simply pathetic for a PG that can do nothing on offense but slash to the basket.

I completely agreed with all the hype about Rose coming out of Memphis, but I was not fully impressed with him last season. Of course he had a huge Playoff Game against Boston but he had games in that series where he completely disappeared.

I get a feeling I'm watching the next Lamar Odom play itself out.

so what you're saying is, everyones a disappointment until they reach their full, maximum potential? in that case lebrons a disappointment. and damn, derrick's what, 20?.. and you're pointing out things that he's working on right now. remember when lebron would take it to the cup at will, then dish it out to a teammate on the perimeter? was he a disappointment then? let a player develop. if you wanna get real technical, you really can't call someone a disappointment until their career is over.

[gotbacon23]

I did.

He went crazy in his first game with 36 points, 11 assists.

Then what happened?

Ben Gordon carried the Bulls in that series, Derrick Rose ran away from the ball in the 4th quarter of every game after game 1.

and don't forget how badly rondo abused him. rose did not have a good series asides from game 1. he put up good #s in game 6 and was solid but that was also a triple OT game. he had at least 5 turnovers in 5 of the 7 games and had 2 seven turnover games. now i wouldn't say rose played horribly in the series but he did get too much hype from it, especially considering how horrible he played defensively.

[Kellogs4toniee]

You bring up some good points. As a lifetime Bulls fan I am dissapointed in Rose's production so far this year, but then I thought about it and came up with this.

Your taking too much out of the first 10 games of the season. Last year he had a very good rookie campaign. Players who have had major hype coming into the league have produced average stats there rookie seasons, as well as phenomenol stats. Regardless of how they did there rookie season, they still became great players and had great careers.

Rose didn't have a crazy rookie season like Durant, Iverson, and other hyped players as such, but you can't view it like that. As a rookie, he ran the offense for a Bulls team filled with veterans as well as you can expect from a first year player. Him dissapearing in a few games here or there is nothing to worry about... ESPECIALLY considering it's the playoffs and CONSIDERING the numbers he posted on his good games.

Now coming back to his decrease in numbers this season. Deng came back from injury, we lost Gordon, team is still meshing, Rose is still not 100%, there's countless reasons to explain why he has not produced. But the overall fact is that it is only 10 games into the season.

Your assuming too much from too little. Topic fails. GG

[Kellogs4toniee]

and don't forget how badly rondo abused him. rose did not have a good series asides from game 1. he put up good #s in game 6 and was solid but that was also a triple OT game. he had at least 5 turnovers in 5 of the 7 games and had 2 seven turnover games. now i wouldn't say rose played horribly in the series but he did get too much hype from it, especially considering how horrible he played defensively.


Rondo was also a fourth year player at the time coming back from a year where he HAD JUST won a championship. Add in the fact that he had all that All-Star caliber advice and training rub off on him from the Big Three.

Rose had... IT'S HIS FIRST FREAKIN PLAYOFF SERIES. Give the man a break, man seriously. You guys are taking too much from nothing. Notice the number of posts in disagreement with topic title?

[bdreason]

He's been playing hurt.

Did people already forget his performance in last years playoffs?

[hawksdogsbraves]

I've been saying that Rose is an idiot since he was in college. He is just so dumb that he can't take his game to the next level. He's so dumb that he just doesn't really care.

[Kellogs4toniee]

I've been saying that Rose is an idiot since he was in college. He is just so dumb that he can't take his game to the next level. He's so dumb that he just doesn't really care.

Are you really taking an aim at Rose's intelligence? You do understand the DIFFICULTY for a rookie to adjust to the NBA right? You do understand that a point guard with the responsibilities that have been laid on Rose as a rookie is very similar to what a quarterback needs to memorize and understand for his team? You do understand that even with all these factors against him he still managed to contribute immensly in bringing the Bulls to the playoffs, as well as achieving rookie of the year.

Again, are you SERIOUSLY calling Rose an idiot?

[macpierce]

if derrick rose had a jumpshot, he would be so hard to guard

[Roundball_Rock]

Your taking too much out of the first 10 games of the season. Last year he had a very good rookie campaign. Players who have had major hype coming into the league have produced average stats there rookie seasons, as well as phenomenol stats. Regardless of how they did there rookie season, they still became great players and had great careers.

Rose didn't have a crazy rookie season like Durant, Iverson, and other hyped players as such, but you can't view it like that. As a rookie, he ran the offense for a Bulls team filled with veterans as well as you can expect from a first year player. Him dissapearing in a few games here or there is nothing to worry about... ESPECIALLY considering it's the playoffs and CONSIDERING the numbers he posted on his good games.

Now coming back to his decrease in numbers this season. Deng came back from injury, we lost Gordon, team is still meshing, Rose is still not 100%, there's countless reasons to explain why he has not produced. But the overall fact is that it is only 10 games into the season.

Your assuming too much from too little. Topic fails. GG

:applause:


1.) Derrick Rose has shown absolutely no heart, not many people ripped on him for being introverted on the court and not showing any emotion during the game. I look at the guy on the court and it doesn't look like he actually cares about the game, he shows absolutely 0 passion and plays lazily most of the game.

If he doesn't care about the game why is he scoring about 35-40% of his points this season in the fourth quarter (for a team that is in a close game nearly every night)? Rose had "only" 14/11 against Cleveland but he had a great fourth quarter. I think he had 8 points and several assists in that quarter to lead the Bulls past an elite team.


5.) Derrick Rose will be unable to be a #1 option in the NBA if he can't get to the foul line, hes averaging less than 3 FT attempts a game which is simply pathetic for a PG that can do nothing on offense but slash to the basket.

He has struggled to get to the basket this year due to an ankle injury. He is improving every game. He has primarily been taking jumpshots this season. I doubt he will average 3 FTA once he gets healthy and regains his explosiveness.


He went crazy in his first game with 36 points, 11 assists.

Then what happened?

Ben Gordon carried the Bulls in that series, Derrick Rose ran away from the ball in the 4th quarter of every game after game 1.

Ben Gordon: 24/3/3 39% shooting
Derrick Rose: 20/6/6 49% shooting

Rose actually produced more points than Gordon in the playoffs when you factor in assists and he was far more efficient.


If Rose tops out as a 17/7 player then he will be one of the biggest disappointments in NBA History considering what he could have become.


I agree but that is very unlikely. He was a 17/6 player. Do you really think his ceiling is what he did as a rookie?


Theres a difference between running from the ball when you're viewed as the team's #1 option and passing the ball off to a struggling scorer whos demanding the ball in crunch time.

Where was Derrick Rose in Game 2, Game 3, and most importantly Game 7?

He wasn't the team's #1 option; Gordon was. He wasn't even the team's second leading scorer; Salmons was. The best player is not always the #1 scoring option. Who would you rather give the ball to in the 4th quarter? A rookie or arguably the most clutch shooter in the NBA? It made sense to give the rock to Gordon.

Here are Derrick Rose's playoff stats. Let's look at all of them and in context:

Game 1: 36/11/4 63% shooting, ties Kareem for the best rookie scoring playoff debut
Game 2: 10/6/7 46%
Game 3: 9/3/2 29%
Game 4: 23/11/9 59% Nearly a triple double!
Game 5: 14/8/6 44%
Game 6: 28/8/7 48%
Game 7: 18/4/3 50%

Averages: 20/6/6 49%

Now let's compare his performance with that of other stars when they were rookies.

Chris Paul:
Deron Williams:
Chauncey Billups:
Steve Nash: 1/0/0 22% shooting
Rajon Rondo:

Paul took 3 seasons to make the playoffs, Deron two. Williams averaged 19/4/9 on 45% in his first playoff appearance. These are comparable to Rose's numbers, even though Rose did it as a rookie while Williams did it in his second season on a team with an all-star PF and C.

Billups didn't make the playoffs until his fourth season. He averaged 1/2/1 on 17% shooting.

Rondo made the playoffs in his second season. He averaged 10/4/7 on 41%.

How about some non-point guards?

Lebron James:
Carmelo Anthony: 15/8/3 33%
Dwyane Wade: 18/4/6 46%
Brandon Roy:
Dwight Howard:

Rose had a better rookie playoff performance than all of these players. Most of them could not even lead their teams to the playoffs as rookies like Rose did.

[Kellogs4toniee]

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If he doesn't care about the game why is he scoring about 35-40% of his points this season in the fourth quarter (for a team that is in a close game nearly every night)? Rose had "only" 14/11 against Cleveland but he had a great fourth quarter. I think he had 8 points and several assists in that quarter to lead the Bulls past an elite team.



He has struggled to get to the basket this year due to an ankle injury. He is improving every game. He has primarily been taking jumpshots this season. I doubt he will average 3 FTA once he gets healthy and regains his explosiveness.



Ben Gordon: 24/3/3 39% shooting
Derrick Rose: 20/6/6 49% shooting

Rose actually produced more points than Gordon in the playoffs when you factor in assists and he was far more efficient.



I agree but that is very unlikely. He was a 17/6 player. Do you really think his ceiling is what he did as a rookie?



He wasn't the team's #1 option; Gordon was. He wasn't even the team's second leading scorer; Salmons was. The best player is not always the #1 scoring option. Who would you rather give the ball to in the 4th quarter? A rookie or arguably the most clutch shooter in the NBA? It made sense to give the rock to Gordon.

Here are Derrick Rose's playoff stats. Let's look at all of them and in context:

Game 1: 36/11/4 63% shooting, ties Kareem for the best rookie scoring playoff debut
Game 2: 10/6/7 46%
Game 3: 9/3/2 29%
Game 4: 23/11/9 59% Nearly a triple double!
Game 5: 14/8/6 44%
Game 6: 28/8/7 48%
Game 7: 18/4/3 50%

Averages: 20/6/6 49%

Now let's compare his performance with that of other stars when they were rookies.

Chris Paul:
Deron Williams:
Chauncey Billups:
Steve Nash: 1/0/0 22% shooting
Rajon Rondo:

Paul took 3 seasons to make the playoffs, Deron two. Williams averaged 19/4/9 on 45% in his first playoff appearance. These are comparable to Rose's numbers, even though Rose did it as a rookie while Williams did it in his second season on a team with an all-star PF and C.

Billups didn't make the playoffs until his fourth season. He averaged 1/2/1 on 17% shooting.

Rondo made the playoffs in his second season. He averaged 10/4/7 on 41%.

How about some non-point guards?

Lebron James:
Carmelo Anthony: 15/8/3 33%
Dwyane Wade: 18/4/6 46%
Brandon Roy:
Dwight Howard:

Rose had a better rookie playoff performance than all of these players. Most of them could not even lead their teams to the playoffs as rookies like Rose did.


This is like ultimate icing on the cake.

:rockon:

[Undisputed]

This thread is a disappointment. Rose will be fine.

[-M-I]

:applause:



If he doesn't care about the game why is he scoring about 35-40% of his points this season in the fourth quarter (for a team that is in a close game nearly every night)? Rose had "only" 14/11 against Cleveland but he had a great fourth quarter. I think he had 8 points and several assists in that quarter to lead the Bulls past an elite team.



He has struggled to get to the basket this year due to an ankle injury. He is improving every game. He has primarily been taking jumpshots this season. I doubt he will average 3 FTA once he gets healthy and regains his explosiveness.



Ben Gordon: 24/3/3 39% shooting
Derrick Rose: 20/6/6 49% shooting

Rose actually produced more points than Gordon in the playoffs when you factor in assists and he was far more efficient.



I agree but that is very unlikely. He was a 17/6 player. Do you really think his ceiling is what he did as a rookie?



He wasn't the team's #1 option; Gordon was. He wasn't even the team's second leading scorer; Salmons was. The best player is not always the #1 scoring option. Who would you rather give the ball to in the 4th quarter? A rookie or arguably the most clutch shooter in the NBA? It made sense to give the rock to Gordon.

Here are Derrick Rose's playoff stats. Let's look at all of them and in context:

Game 1: 36/11/4 63% shooting, ties Kareem for the best rookie scoring playoff debut
Game 2: 10/6/7 46%
Game 3: 9/3/2 29%
Game 4: 23/11/9 59% Nearly a triple double!
Game 5: 14/8/6 44%
Game 6: 28/8/7 48%
Game 7: 18/4/3 50%

Averages: 20/6/6 49%

Now let's compare his performance with that of other stars when they were rookies.

Chris Paul:
Deron Williams:
Chauncey Billups:
Steve Nash: 1/0/0 22% shooting
Rajon Rondo:

Paul took 3 seasons to make the playoffs, Deron two. Williams averaged 19/4/9 on 45% in his first playoff appearance. These are comparable to Rose's numbers, even though Rose did it as a rookie while Williams did it in his second season on a team with an all-star PF and C.

Billups didn't make the playoffs until his fourth season. He averaged 1/2/1 on 17% shooting.

Rondo made the playoffs in his second season. He averaged 10/4/7 on 41%.

How about some non-point guards?

Lebron James:
Carmelo Anthony: 15/8/3 33%
Dwyane Wade: 18/4/6 46%
Brandon Roy:
Dwight Howard:

Rose had a better rookie playoff performance than all of these players. Most of them could not even lead their teams to the playoffs as rookies like Rose did.

Ugh, anyone who actually watched Wade's rookie year in the playoffs KNOW that Rose didn't match his.

[The_Walrus]

Yeah let's label a kid who had a near perfect first season, including probably the best playoff performance by a rookie since Magic won the title doing everything but coaching his team to victory, as a disappointment 8 games into his second season.

You sir, need a round of sarcastic applause:

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[Crazy Style]

if derrick rose had a jumpshot, he would be so hard to guard

Why are so many people underating his jumpshot, it's not that bad at all?:confusedshrug:

[Crazy Style]

Yeah let's label a kid who had a near perfect first season, including probably the best playoff performance by a rookie since Magic won the title doing everything but coaching his team to victory, as a disappointment 8 games into his second season.

You sir, need a round of sarcastic applause:

http://blog.pornlandia.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/jokerclap.gif

Yes and the slower the applause the better.

[Interminator]

Are you really taking an aim at Rose's intelligence? You do understand the DIFFICULTY for a rookie to adjust to the NBA right? You do understand that a point guard with the responsibilities that have been laid on Rose as a rookie is very similar to what a quarterback needs to memorize and understand for his team? You do understand that even with all these factors against him he still managed to contribute immensly in bringing the Bulls to the playoffs, as well as achieving rookie of the year.

Again, are you SERIOUSLY calling Rose an idiot?
:oldlol: :oldlol:

Rose is just stupid, you can't be a good player if you're completely stupid like Rose is.

He has the basketball IQ of a buffalo wing.

[Interminator]

Why are so many people underating his jumpshot, it's not that bad at all?:confusedshrug:
Yes, Yes it is Bulls fan.

[HoopitUP]

its bs that you would have the nerve to even to post this rubbish about Derrick Rose, the guy is playing hurt, its only 10 games into the season let him get he's groove back. he played inspiratinal ball that jump started the bulls in the celtics playoff series.

give the guy a break

[Roundball_Rock]

Ugh, anyone who actually watched Wade's rookie year in the playoffs KNOW that Rose didn't match his.

20/6/6 on 49%>18/4/6 on 46%. While comparable statistically (although Rose has the slight edge), Rose did it with an inferior team. Wade had Lamar Odom, a still very good Eddie Jones, Rafer Alston, and Caron Butler. Both Odom and Jones had all-star caliber seasons, especially Lamar. Odom averaged 17/10/4 and Jones led the team in scoring at age 32, just out of his prime. Odom>Gordon, Jones>Salmons, Butler>Miller, Alston<Hinrich. Moreover, not only did Rose do more with less, he faced far tougher competition. Rose faced the defending champs who had won 62 games (the KG excuse doesn't fly: while weakened, they were still a top 5 team without him, not just in theory but in fact looking at their winning percentage without him); Wade faced a Hornets team that won 41 games in the first round. That Hornets team was coached by Tim Floyd, who has a career winning percentage of 28%. :roll:

[Interminator]

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If he doesn't care about the game why is he scoring about 35-40% of his points this season in the fourth quarter (for a team that is in a close game nearly every night)? Rose had "only" 14/11 against Cleveland but he had a great fourth quarter. I think he had 8 points and several assists in that quarter to lead the Bulls past an elite team.



He has struggled to get to the basket this year due to an ankle injury. He is improving every game. He has primarily been taking jumpshots this season. I doubt he will average 3 FTA once he gets healthy and regains his explosiveness.



Ben Gordon: 24/3/3 39% shooting
Derrick Rose: 20/6/6 49% shooting

Rose actually produced more points than Gordon in the playoffs when you factor in assists and he was far more efficient.



I agree but that is very unlikely. He was a 17/6 player. Do you really think his ceiling is what he did as a rookie?



He wasn't the team's #1 option; Gordon was. He wasn't even the team's second leading scorer; Salmons was. The best player is not always the #1 scoring option. Who would you rather give the ball to in the 4th quarter? A rookie or arguably the most clutch shooter in the NBA? It made sense to give the rock to Gordon.

Here are Derrick Rose's playoff stats. Let's look at all of them and in context:

Game 1: 36/11/4 63% shooting, ties Kareem for the best rookie scoring playoff debut
Game 2: 10/6/7 46%
Game 3: 9/3/2 29%
Game 4: 23/11/9 59% Nearly a triple double!
Game 5: 14/8/6 44%
Game 6: 28/8/7 48%
Game 7: 18/4/3 50%

Averages: 20/6/6 49%

Now let's compare his performance with that of other stars when they were rookies.

Chris Paul:
Deron Williams:
Chauncey Billups:
Steve Nash: 1/0/0 22% shooting
Rajon Rondo:

Paul took 3 seasons to make the playoffs, Deron two. Williams averaged 19/4/9 on 45% in his first playoff appearance. These are comparable to Rose's numbers, even though Rose did it as a rookie while Williams did it in his second season on a team with an all-star PF and C.

Billups didn't make the playoffs until his fourth season. He averaged 1/2/1 on 17% shooting.

Rondo made the playoffs in his second season. He averaged 10/4/7 on 41%.

How about some non-point guards?

Lebron James:
Carmelo Anthony: 15/8/3 33%
Dwyane Wade: 18/4/6 46%
Brandon Roy:
Dwight Howard:

Rose had a better rookie playoff performance than all of these players. Most of them could not even lead their teams to the playoffs as rookies like Rose did.

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I did not even read all of this bull****. The Wade reference is damn near retarded because everyone knows Wade had a better rookie Playoff performance than Rose.

Rose when healthy with his explosiveness averaged 3 FTA last season.

[Interminator]

20/6/6 on 49%>18/4/6 on 46%. While comparable statistically (although Rose has the slight edge), Rose did it with an inferior team. Wade had Lamar Odom, a still very good Eddie Jones, Rafer Alston, and Caron Butler. Both Odom and Jones had all-star caliber seasons, especially Lamar. Odom averaged 17/10/4 and Jones led the team in scoring at age 32, just out of his prime. Odom>Gordon, Jones>Salmons, Butler>Miller, Alston<Hinrich. Moreover, not only did Rose do more with less, he faced far tougher competition. Rose faced the defending champs who had won 62 games (the KG excuse doesn't fly: while weakened, they were still a top 5 team without him, not just in theory but in fact looking at their winning percentage without him); Wade faced a Hornets team that won 41 games in the first round. That Hornets team was coached by Tim Floyd, who has a career winning percentage of 28%. :roll:
That entire post is a complete spin, you're a Bulls fan so you will spin it in your favor to feel better about your team.

Explain to me how Rose was forced to taste Rondo's ass that entire series?

That is the main reason why Wade >>>>>> Rose in terms of their first Playoff series.

[Crazy Style]

Yes, Yes it is Bulls fan.

Most of the time I see he him take a mid range shot he usually makes it, plus it's not like he takes so much where he misses a lot. Do you watch Bulls games?

[Roundball_Rock]

Wade had Odom, Eddie Jones, Caron Butler, and Rafer Alston. Rose had Ben Gordon and...???

Who did Wade face in the first round? You can't compare the two performances without looking at the context, particularly the huge disparity between playing a 62 win team fresh off a championship and a 41 team coached by one of the WOAT.


Rose when healthy with his explosiveness averaged 3 FTA last season.

Yeah, as a rookie. What happens during a player's career as he gains experience and perhaps more importantly starts to get more "star" calls?

FTA per season

Chris Paul: 6.0, 5.6, 4.9, 6.7, 6.2
Deron Williams: 1.7, 3.7, 5.0, 5.6, 5.1
Billups: 3.3, 3.8, 3.4, 2.2, 2.9, 4.9, 5.9, 4.8, 6.4, 6.2, 5.6, 5.8, 6.3
Nash: 0.8, 1.1, 1.2, 1.5, 3.7, 3.6, 4.1, 3.2, 3.2, 3.5, 3.3, 3.0, 2.8, 3.1

Carmelo: 6.4, 7.6, 8.9, 8.7, 7.7, 7.1, 11.7
Whistle: 5.1, 9.9, 10.7, 10.5, 9.2, 9.8, 12.1
Lebron: 5.8, 8.0, 10.3, 9.0, 10.3, 9.4, 9.5

Paul remained consistent at 6 FTA, Nash has been consistent adjusted for playing time. However, the others saw increases in their second and then another jump in their third seasons, aside from Billups, who saw a jump much later because it took him longer to become a star. Carmelo increased his FTA 1.2 in his second season, 2.5 by his third; D-Whistle increased it a whopping 4.8 in a season and then improve even more to 5.6 by his third season; Lebron jumped 2.2 in his second year, and 4.5 by his third; Deron 2.0 in his first and 3.3 by his third. Rose will have a similar progression once healthy.

[B-Easy]

20/6/6 on 49%>18/4/6 on 46%. While comparable statistically (although Rose has the slight edge), Rose did it with an inferior team. Wade had Lamar Odom, a still very good Eddie Jones, Rafer Alston, and Caron Butler. Both Odom and Jones had all-star caliber seasons, especially Lamar. Odom averaged 17/10/4 and Jones led the team in scoring at age 32, just out of his prime. Odom>Gordon, Jones>Salmons, Butler>Miller, Alston<Hinrich. Moreover, not only did Rose do more with less, he faced far tougher competition. Rose faced the defending champs who had won 62 games (the KG excuse doesn't fly: while weakened, they were still a top 5 team without him, not just in theory but in fact looking at their winning percentage without him); Wade faced a Hornets team that won 41 games in the first round. That Hornets team was coached by Tim Floyd, who has a career winning percentage of 28%. :roll:

Roses 1st game is better than any game Wade had, that skewed the statistics..in reality he was really timid in the remaining games, especially in the clutch.

Wade was making big baskets against both the Hornets and the Pacers. He made a game winning shot over Bdiddy, and whoever he was guarding wasnt average a triple double..he wasnt getting his as busted on the other end.

[Kellogs4toniee]

:oldlol: :oldlol:

Rose is just stupid, you can't be a good player if you're completely stupid like Rose is.

He has the basketball IQ of a buffalo wing.


You have done absolutely nothing to counter the point that I tried to make with my last post. Let me say it clearly now so there's no confusions. There is no way you have a bad basketball IQ when you average 16.8/6.3/4, bring your team to the playoffs, and perform admirably in your first playoff series against the defending NBA champs as a first year player.

[Roundball_Rock]

Roses 1st game is better than any game Wade had, that skewed the statistics..in reality he was really timid in the remaining games, especially in the clutch.


Wait: Rose had arguably the best performance any rookie has ever had in their first playoff game and we are to ignore that? For discussion's sake, though, let's remove the best games each had, which favors Wade since Wade did not have any Kareem-esque performances as rookie.

Rose

17/7/6 46% (down from 20/6/6 49%)

Wade (first round)

14 (13.5)/4 (3.5)/6 (5.5) 39% (Down from 18/4/6 46%)

Game 7

Rose: 18/4/3 50%
Wade: 12/4/7 28%

Rose>Wade in the first round even though Wade had much weaker competition (was Rose guarded by someone on the all-defensive team and up against a 62 win defending champion?) and Lamar Odom had a significantly better supporting cast on the 04' Heat than Rose did on the 09' Bulls.


Wade was making big baskets against both the Hornets and the Pacers. He made a game winning shot over Bdiddy, and whoever he was guarding wasnt average a triple double..he wasnt getting his as busted on the other end

The Hornets were 12th in defense, the Celtics 2nd. Who was Wade guarding? Some scrub. Rose was up against an up and coming point guard who had the experience of a championship run. Regarding, game winners, why would you give Rose the last shot when you had Ben Gordon, arguably the most clutch player in the NBA? Do you think Wade would have gotten any last shots if he played with Ben Jordan as a rookie?

[Undisputed]

It's going to be funny when Interminator eats crow(like always) in a couple months. :oldlol:

[Pharcyde]

I did.

He went crazy in his first game with 36 points, 11 assists.

Then what happened?

Ben Gordon carried the Bulls in that series, Derrick Rose ran away from the ball in the 4th quarter of every game after game 1.
No he didnt.

[Pharcyde]

Hey guys, the kid that had to be locked out of the gym because he worked so hard he developed tendonitis, gave his rookie season a C grade, because he had too many turnovers and didnt win enough games and worked in every area of his game this offseason doesnt have heart for the game and is a disappointment. Why? Because he missed the entire preseason due to an injury and hasnt had his legs back.

[Ben Jordan]

Hey guys, the kid that had to be locked out of the gym because he worked so hard he developed tendonitis, gave his rookie season a C grade, because he had too many turnovers and didnt win enough games and worked in every area of his game this offseason doesnt have heart for the game and is a disappointment. Why? Because he missed the entire preseason due to an injury and hasnt had his legs back.
:applause: Exactly.

I wish I'd seen this thread earlier today to stomp out this Interminator bullsh*t. He is NOT 100 percent. Of the 7 Bulls games I've watched this season I've only seen Rose drive once to the basket (and that was last night).

You guys are setting yourself up to be mistaken if you judge him this early...

[Deadpool]

Lol interminator... you are a disappointment. :bowdown:

[Undisputed]

I don't think Rose's ankle is necessarily injured, but now it's more about gaining confidence in that ankle and conditioning.

Any athlete knows that after you recover from an ankle or knee injury that it takes time to regain form from time off. Comfort must be regained on that leg also. Rose being young and on a team that can't hit a shot for their lives at points doesn't help his situation right now. No one respects the Bulls perimeter game so they shut down the lane all game long. Rose has to adapt to the situation and it will be valuable learning for him.

I have no doubt in my mind that he will pick up his game and be even better than last season.

As for Rose's jumpshot, it's looking much improved over last season. That's a real bright spot.

[Pharcyde]

He had fluid build up in his ankle, mising the preseason caused him to lose his legs. Right now he just hasnt had lift in his jumpshot.

[Batman]

Rose is legit and will step up.

[Da KO King]

Weren't you the one who called out Da KO King for slamming Rose?
:D I started laughing as soon as I read the thread title and seen who the author was.

[Clocian-IGN]

if someone else other than deng could shoot, getting to the basket would be much easier for rose

[KelticForce1349]

Rondo averaged 21.5 PPG/11.7 APG/10 RPG/2.7 SPG on

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2009-04/46370578.jpg

That is the main reason why I was disappointed in Rose moreso than him disappearing in the clutch. He got humiliated on defense by an AIDS patient PG with no outside shot.

Now why in the world would you ever need to something about a player in the way that you just did? Are you really contributing anything positive to these forums with that kind of talk?

You really need to look inside of yourself and figure out what you need to be.


...and Derrick Rose is still awesome.

[KelticForce1349]

I don't think Rose's ankle is necessarily injured, but now it's more about gaining confidence in that ankle and conditioning.

Any athlete knows that after you recover from an ankle or knee injury that it takes time to regain form from time off. Comfort must be regained on that leg also. Rose being young and on a team that can't hit a shot for their lives at points doesn't help his situation right now. No one respects the Bulls perimeter game so they shut down the lane all game long. Rose has to adapt to the situation and it will be valuable learning for him.

I have no doubt in my mind that he will pick up his game and be even better than last season.

As for Rose's jumpshot, it's looking much improved over last season. That's a real bright spot.


Good post as always but I am going to add something that I think is an even bigger problem. I think Rose has been very discouraged from attacking the basket because he gets hammered on the way in with very few calls from the refs.

I personally think this collection of very good players without an actual "star" player (yet) is legit, but the downside is that the Bulls can not get the calls other teams are getting most nights.

[BRabbiT]

...He is only 10 games into his second season...


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[Roundball_Rock]

:D

[chitownsfinest]

Damn, I forgot how much of a tool interminatior was. Thankfully he isn't around anymore.

[TheTruth11]

Beyond his 32 points, 5 assists tonight.... tonight Rose showed why he is going to be big (a major star) in this League. Barring injury, he should go down as one of the all time greats before it is all said and done. He hit every kind of shot you can think of tonight.... 3 pointer, buzzer beater, shots while being fouled, and poster dunks. And threw in 5 assists to boot.


He has that intangible ability to make people watch as well. All the great ones have that. They make you watch. Rose has that. He is also #4 in jersey sales already so that tells you the kind of star power this guy is already developing.


I don't want to get ahead of things, however, as I said, barring injury and the guy is still just a kid really so he has a long ways to go. But all the signs are there. His "potential" is threw the roof.


..........

[ILLsmak]

you knew someone was gonna bump this. lol. Why would you even say something like "D Rose is a Disappointment." The Bulls team is disappointing... put D Rose on a good team... switch him for Rondo or Mo Williams and I think you'd realize how good he is.

-Smak

[Roundball_Rock]

:lol

[alenleomessi]

Interminator is the worst predictor i have ever seen

[Samurai Swoosh]

Da KO Kid thought he wouldn't be that good, either. As usual, his predictions and basketball analysis sucks.

[hkfosho]

good bump, makes the OP look like a complete fvckin retard :lol

[GOBB]

good bump, makes the OP look like a complete fvckin retard :lol

Like yourself when you claimed I was a Rose hater? :rolleyes:

[hkfosho]

Like yourself when you claimed I was a Rose hater? :rolleyes:

Seems like since you come up with rebuttals every time i try to praise him :confusedshrug:

[HEAT111]

wow, who ever made this thread is a fool.

[ballinhun8]

wow, who ever made this thread is a fool.



A U. of Memphis fan ironically.

[Godzuki]

this is the type of call out that makes people change handles :lol

[Eat Like A Bosh]

I like how someone bumped this today, a thread thats nearly 2 years old :lol

["Jesus"]

Like yourself when you claimed I was a Rose hater? :rolleyes:

ME mE mE mE mE mE

[stevieming]

wow, this makes the OP look stupid....

[VishaltotheG]

good bump, makes the OP look like a complete fvckin retard :lol

Rebecca Black? "Frans"? :confusedshrug:

[Bigsmoke]

Derrick Rose reminds me of a younger Steve Francis a lil bit. lets hope he doesnt turn out like him

Thank you Derrick Rose for proving me :rockon:

[GOBB]

Thank you Derrick Rose for proving me :rockon:

Proved you wrong? :confusedshrug:

[Chicago Brawls]

Derrick Rose was a disappointment for 29 teams this season already.

The Knicks are next in line.