Jordan 69 pt game vs Kobe 81 point game

[LakersReign]

I'm not a Lebron fan at all.


Address my points with something more then "nemesis". Fact is the Lakers BIGGEST threat going into the 09 season, the defending champion Celtics that wiped the floor with them the previous season, had their chances go up in flames due to injury. The 09 Celtics were a much bigger threat to the 09 Lakers then any team, including the 12 Bulls and 12 Magic, was in 2012 to the Heat. Address the fact that those Celtics beat the Lakers the year before while none of the teams you brought up for the Heat beat the Heat the previous season. Address the fact that a team that took the Lakers to 7 games did it without their 2 best players. Make a sound argument against that would justify discrediting only Lebron's run and not Kobe's run as well. If you can, I will have no problem saying I'm wrong.http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=276131&page=16

Uh huh:rolleyes:

So...I guess the reason why you're the only person on the planet trying to compare the Lakers '09 season to Lebron 2012 season, was cuz you had nothing better to do then....huh? Try again:no:

[WockaVodka]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=276131&page=15

Uh huh:rolleyes:

So...I guess the reason why you're the only person on the planet trying to compare the Lakers '09 season to Lebron 2012 season, was cuz you had nothing better to do then....huh? Try again:no:
How does that prove he is a Lebron fan? :oldlol:

[LakersReign]

Learn how to read:sleeping

[RRR3]

Learn how to read:sleeping
Damn, LeBron has Reigny straight SHOOK. LBJ is ALWAYS on this guy's mind, talk about paranoid:oldlol:

[WockaVodka]

Learn how to read:sleeping
You changed the thread link and the quote, anyways that doesn't make him a fan, saying Lebron's 2012 run was better than Kobe's 2009 run is the consensus. So if that makes him a Lebron fan then just about everyone is a Lebron fan.

[jongib369]

Jordan's for sure, and that's not a knock on Kobe's game either.

Not the point of the thread but an amazing game I hear almost no one talk about is Chamberlains 73 point, 36 rebound game against HOF center Walt Bellamy on 60% shooting

also his 60 and 66 point games in 1969 weren't to shabby either considering his role changes and age. (33)

of the 62 60+ games in NBA history, Wilts got 33. 53% of them

http://www.nbauniverse.com/records/60_or_more_points.htm

[Heavincent]

None of those were legendary performances, kid. Some great performances no doubt, but nothing awe inspiring.

Not an individual game in that lot that serves as a memory. That is a microcosm of who Kobe Bryant was as a player. Something we will always remember him for ... a stamp on NBA playoff / Finals history.

No the way Kobe stans and the moronic latin cholo Laker fan base percieve Kobe's reputation as a player on a self indulgent 81 point regular season game.

You listed a damn series in there haha ... in the vast majority of these cases, given Kobe's team, he was the favorite in the series.

There wasn't a series of events where Kobe overcame some obstacle and just did something no one would've expected.

The closest Kobe has EVER come in recent history to a truly memorable and legendary performance was in the 2010 Finals. Boston was roughing them up, showing signs they were the better team (and w/ Perk, I think they were) ... he had that STUNNING 19 point 3rd quarter.

And that's when I said "wow, the self entitled black mamba is finally going to do his venomous 81 point thing in an actual MEANINGUL game with something on the line" ... and then he didn't duplicate it in the 4th. And failed to meet legendary expectations once again.

That was his opportunity. To seperate himself and become a MEMORY. The way we remember past legends stand out games in a HIGH pressure and intensity atmosphere. But he blew it. That year given his physical abilities was the last time he'd be able to do it on an EPIC scale against a very difficult opponent. That opportunity is gone.

The most lasting Kobe legendary memory is how he took over in the final minutes for Team USA in the gold medal game in 2008. And they wouldn't have even been in the game if it wasn't for the clutch-ness of D-Wade through 3 quarters.

All those games you mentioned, no casual or even regular NBA fan lists those as LEGENDARY games. I get it, that's your guy. And he's easily the 2nd greatest SG of all-time. But please, hop off his d1ck ... lay off and stay off.

I'd go so far to say even Jerry West has had more truly legendary type performances in the playoffs or Finals. Elgin Baylor as well.

First of all, I don't know why you feel the need to talk down to me. I'm not a new NBA fan. Maybe you have been watching longer than me, but that's irrelevant in this conversation. I've witnessed the majority of Kobe's career, just like you have.

I don't know what makes Lebron's performances so legendary compared to Kobe's. Just because there was more pressure on Lebron? That was kind of his own fault actually. Many people were expecting him to come up short in game 6 in Boston because of what happened the year before. But instead he came up huge. Props to him for that, but why it so vastly superior to Kobe's many 40+ point outbursts in the playoffs?

You said Kobe never had to overcome an obstacle. You're propping him up and you don't even know it. He's always expected to win, so of course he never really shocked anybody. His scoring outbursts are just "normal". He does it all the time. He's 3rd all time in playoff points, and has a good chance of being #1 in that category when it's all said and done.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

None of those were legendary performances, kid. Some great performances no doubt, but nothing awe inspiring.

Not an individual game in that lot that serves as a memory. That is a microcosm of who Kobe Bryant was as a player. Something we will always remember him for ... a stamp on NBA playoff / Finals history.

No the way Kobe stans and the moronic latin cholo Laker fan base percieve Kobe's reputation as a player on a self indulgent 81 point regular season game.

You listed a damn series in there haha ... in the vast majority of these cases, given Kobe's team, he was the favorite in the series.

There wasn't a series of events where Kobe overcame some obstacle and just did something no one would've expected.

The closest Kobe has EVER come in recent history to a truly memorable and legendary performance was in the 2010 Finals. Boston was roughing them up, showing signs they were the better team (and w/ Perk, I think they were) ... he had that STUNNING 19 point 3rd quarter.

And that's when I said "wow, the self entitled black mamba is finally going to do his venomous 81 point thing in an actual MEANINGUL game with something on the line" ... and then he didn't duplicate it in the 4th. And failed to meet legendary expectations once again.

That was his opportunity. To seperate himself and become a MEMORY. The way we remember past legends stand out games in a HIGH pressure and intensity atmosphere. But he blew it. That year given his physical abilities was the last time he'd be able to do it on an EPIC scale against a very difficult opponent. That opportunity is gone.

The most lasting Kobe legendary memory is how he took over in the final minutes for Team USA in the gold medal game in 2008. And they wouldn't have even been in the game if it wasn't for the clutch-ness of D-Wade through 3 quarters.

All those games you mentioned, no casual or even regular NBA fan lists those as LEGENDARY games. I get it, that's your guy. And he's easily the 2nd greatest SG of all-time. But please, hop off his d1ck ... lay off and stay off.

I'd go so far to say even Jerry West has had more truly legendary type performances in the playoffs or Finals. Elgin Baylor as well.

Hi Swoosh

[Money 23]

Hi Swoosh
Good pick up ... what's going on?

[RRR3]

Good pick up ... what's going on?
Samurai Swoosh? Hey, now you have to admit LeBron's not a frontrunner :D Came back from being down in three straight series :banana:

[guy]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=276131&page=16

Uh huh:rolleyes:

So...I guess the reason why you're the only person on the planet trying to compare the Lakers '09 season to Lebron 2012 season, was cuz you had nothing better to do then....huh? Try again:no:

You really want to bring back up a thread where you basically argued yourself stupid and looked like a complete idiot?

I actually wasn't saying one run was better then the other (although I do believe Lebron's was easily). I was using Kobe's 09 run as an example that you can discredit any playoff run in response to people discrediting Lebron's 12 run. And even if I wanted to compare the two, how does that make me a fan? I could just be comparing them cause I think its interesting. Those two are pretty much the two most popular players of almost the decade. Does that mean anyone that compares two players has to be a fan of one of them? Thats a stupid assumption.

[upside24]

Watched both games several times and I like the 81 better. The onslaught of points in the second half was amazing. Not to take anything away from Jordan's performance, especially the 18 rebounds.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Good pick up ... what's going on?

:cheers:

Don't take this the wrong way, it's just you got a very unique style. :lol Jordan homer / Kobe fan (very rare) with perspective. Good to see you back.

[DatAsh]

Jordan's for sure, and that's not a knock on Kobe's game either.

Not the point of the thread but an amazing game I hear almost no one talk about is Chamberlains 73 point, 36 rebound game against HOF center Walt Bellamy on 60% shooting

also his 60 and 66 point games in 1969 weren't to shabby either considering his role changes and age. (33)

of the 62 60+ games in NBA history, Wilts got 33. 53% of them

http://www.nbauniverse.com/records/60_or_more_points.htm

Wilt also had a 78/43/3 game, as well as a 53/32/14 game.

[LakersReign]

You really want to bring back up a thread where you basically argued yourself stupid and looked like a complete idiot?

I actually wasn't saying one run was better then the other (although I do believe Lebron's was easily). I was using Kobe's 09 run as an example that you can discredit any playoff run in response to people discrediting Lebron's 12 run. And even if I wanted to compare the two, how does that make me a fan? I could just be comparing them cause I think its interesting. Those two are pretty much the two most popular players of almost the decade. Does that mean anyone that compares two players has to be a fan of one of them? Thats a stupid assumption.

The only people making any kind of a big deal about Lebron's title run, are bandwagon Lebron fans like you. Nobody else on the planet thinks it's as big of a deal as bandwagon Lebron fans, like you try to make it out to be. Therefore, they don't feel this NEED to try to legitimize it, like bandwagon Lebron fans like you do. Yeah, you were just sitting around one day and just decided to compare Lebron's 2012 to the Lakers '09 run, by sheer coincidence....right? Why not the Spurs/Mavs/Pistons/Celtics title runs....huh? Only bandwgon Lebron fans like you also feel this NEED to ALWAYS measure Lebron against Kobe. Only bandwagon Lebron fans like you want to overrate him even more, simply cuz he finally won a title. The evidence speaks for itself, and any reasonable person can see that you're really a bandwagon Lebron fan. Whether you admit it or not, is irrelevant. Nice try though:applause:

[Money 23]

Samurai Swoosh? Hey, now you have to admit LeBron's not a frontrunner
I gave dude props for having one of the absolute best, and most amazing playoff performances I have EVER seen.

Game 6 v.s. Boston was incredible. No expression, just straight murder of the opposition in the face of overwhelming odds, and incredible nation wide hate wanting to see him fail.

With that said, shut the hell up.

The reason he's still a coward and a front runner is because he's IN MIAMI with the super friends. That act shot his legacy in the foot. Guy had a career laid out for him in Cleveland that could've seen him challenge the throne to MJ. You can never get around that ...

He's still a front runner to me, but undoubtedly the best player in the game. As I have been saying since 2008 / 2009.

His mental approach is changing though, so there is hope. If he adopted the mentality of game 6, the Jordan-esque demeanor ... the assasin like cold blood approach. And not the over the top wanting to be ferocious antics of Kobe, or the passive / pu$$y LeBron of the past several years ... it would be lights out for the league.

But what are you talking about down in three straight series? The only one in serious question was the Celtics one. They never should've been down to Indiana. And in the Finals they were only down one game, no big deal.

With that said he also had some memorable performances in that Indiana series. Yet, he also had a sidekick who balled out of his mind a few games in that series too, even though he was injured.

Pippen never dropped 40+ in a playoff game. Neither has Pau Gasoft.

[guy]

The only people making any kind of a big deal about Lebron's title run, are bandwagon Lebron fans like you. Nobody else on the planet thinks it's as big of a deal as bandwagon Lebron fans, like you try to make it out to be. Therefore, they don't feel this NEED to try to legitimize it, like bandwagon Lebron fans like you do. Yeah, you were just sitting around one day and just decided to compare Lebron's 2012 to the Lakers '09 run, by sheer coincidence....right? Why not the Spurs/Mavs/Pistons/Celtics title runs....huh? Only bandwgon Lebron fans like you also feel this NEED to ALWAYS measure Lebron against Kobe. Only bandwagon Lebron fans like you want to overrate him even more, simply cuz he finally won a title. The evidence speaks for itself, and any reasonable person can see that you're really a bandwagon Lebron fan. Whether you admit it or not, is irrelevant. Nice try though:applause:

:oldlol: You're an odd fellow. Like I said, I'm not a Lebron fan. I root against both Lebron and Kobe so I don't have a bias towards either of them when they are compared. In fact, just in the past few days I've argued in another thread why I think Lebron shouldn't be considered a better player then Kobe in 2010 even though the consensus is that he was the best player of that year.

It wasn't a coincidence. The person who I initially responded to that tried to discredit Lebron's run was a Kobe fan and Kobe's 2009 run was the most recent similar example so I used it.

And what the hell are you talking about? Its not just Lebron fans that compare the two. Everyone does and understandably so since they've been clearly the 2 best players overall for at least the last 7 years.

And actually, people all over the media were making a pretty big deal out Lebron's run. Alot of unbiased people here were making a big deal out of it as well. Of course, I'm sure you are just going to say they are all biased Lebron fans that wear his jersey hidden under their clothes when they are in public :oldlol:

[KG215]

Wilt also had a 78/43/3 game, as well as a 53/32/14 game.

You couldn't put up those numbers with a maxed out Wilt on 2K12 playing 12 minute quarters on Rookie difficulty.

[jongib369]

You couldn't put up those numbers with a maxed out Wilt on 2K12 playing 12 minute quarters on Rookie difficulty.
how someone can dominate his piers to that extent is ****in ridiculous. 73 and 36 against another HOF center?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltcdolA8Cs1qfu4tho1_500.gif

[LakersReign]

:oldlol: You're an odd fellow. Like I said, I'm not a Lebron fan. I root against both Lebron and Kobe so I don't have a bias towards either of them when they are compared. In fact, just in the past few days I've argued in another thread why I think Lebron shouldn't be considered a better player then Kobe in 2010 even though the consensus is that he was the best player of that year.

It wasn't a coincidence. The person who I initially responded to that tried to discredit Lebron's run was a Kobe fan and Kobe's 2009 run was the most recent similar example so I used it.

And what the hell are you talking about? Its not just Lebron fans that compare the two. Everyone does and understandably so since they've been clearly the 2 best players overall for at least the last 7 years.

And actually, people all over the media were making a pretty big deal out Lebron's run. Alot of unbiased people here were making a big deal out of it as well. Of course, I'm sure you are just going to say they are all biased Lebron fans that wear his jersey hidden under their clothes when they are in public :oldlol:

Deny it all you want. But ranking Lebron at 11 after 1 title when reasonable NBA fans have him at 12 to 15 wreaks of a card carrying Lebronyte. Nice try:applause:

[DKLaker]

are you trying to say that MJ's 69 was better than Kobe's 81? go to the store and buy something that costs 81 dollars but instead only pay 69 dollars and 18 pennies and see if the clerk thinks its better than 81

THIS
ISH, where math comes to die, where common sense is meaningless unless it supports your point, where intelligence is not required as long as you have a computer. :oldlol:

[Money 23]

ISH, where math comes to die
Ummm ...

Where was this about simple math?

Jordan contributed to 81 points for his team, as well as 18 rebounds v.s. a superior opponent.

The question was which was the better performance. And that answer is kind of simple.

Plus, organic v.s. contrived / forced.

[guy]

Deny it all you want. But ranking Lebron at 11 after 1 title when reasonable NBA fans have him at 12 to 15 wreaks of a card carrying Lebronyte. Nice try:applause:


:oldlol: First of all, I never actually gave my ranking of Lebron. Second of all, YOU PUT HIM AT 12 :roll: You're making this big of a sh*tshow out of ranking him #11 vs. #12???:oldlol:

:cheers: You're one of the best characters on this site. There's no way you actually believe half the sh*t you put on here so I have to assume you're just doing this to entertain us all. Good stuff.

[Droid101]

jordan could score 200 pts if he wanted to
lol

He would have, if he could have. Early in his career he was trying to murder folk. If he could have gotten over 81, he would have tried.

[Money 23]

If he could have gotten over 81, he would have tried.
:biggums:

Kobe was at his absolute PEAK in 2006. The height combo of age, skill, IQ, and athletic ability. The conditions were set for him to do that, especially considering he put no effort anywhere else on the game. Whether it was creating for others or playing the defense he is capable of ...

That would be like PEAK 1990 / 1991 / 1992 / 1993 MJ playing on a horrific squad with no true title chances going out every night just looking to score.

You don't think he'd be able to sniff 81 given the right conditions? You're an idiot.

Dude put up 35 points in a HALF in the NBA Finals, sitting out half of the entire 2nd quarter against the NEXT best player at his position and the #2 MVP candidate.

It would be like Kobe going up against Wade in the Finals and dropping 40 on him in one half, then chilling the rest of the game.

He could've easily eclipsed 70 in that Finals game if the situation was right. And it was on national television, the brightest spotlight. In the FINALS ... you're a damn retard.

[LakersReign]

:oldlol: First of all, I never actually gave my ranking of Lebron. Second of all, YOU PUT HIM AT 12 :roll: You're making this big of a sh*tshow out of ranking him #11 vs. #12???:oldlol:

:cheers: You're one of the best characters on this site. There's no way you actually believe half the sh*t you put on here so I have to assume you're just doing this to entertain us all. Good stuff.

Me having Lebron at 12 like a reasonable NBA fan doesn't have anything to do with you pretending not to be a Lebron fan. Nice try:applause:

[guy]

Me having Lebron at 12 like a reasonable NBA fan doesn't have anything to do with you pretending not to be a Lebron fan. Nice try:applause:

Only a crazy biased Lebron fan would have him at #11 but a reasonable fan like you would have him at #12? :cheers:

[jstern]

I say Kobe had the a more entertaining stretch, but Jordan had the better game.

There was a video comparing the defense in the two games, and the Toronto defense was horrible. So for the trained eye, Jordan had the better game. Casual watcher, Kobe.

[LakersReign]

Only a crazy biased Lebron fan would have him at #11 but a reasonable fan like you would have him at #12? :cheers:

AND.......NONE of that has anything to do with you pretending not to be a Lebron fan:rolleyes:

Just gotta love it how moronic bandwagon Lebron fans like you are ALWAYS b***hing about Laker fans not giving Lebron credit. But when we do it's STILL a problem. More proof that you're really a bandwagon Lebron fan. Nice try:applause:

[Doctor Rivers]

AND.......NONE of that has anything to do with you pretending not to be a Lebron fan:rolleyes:

Just gotta love it how moronic bandwagon Lebron fans like you are ALWAYS b***hing about Laker fans not giving Lebron credit. But when we do it's STILL a problem. More proof that you're really a bandwagon Lebron fan. Nice try:applause:

Negged

[Da_Realist]

:biggums:

Kobe was at his absolute PEAK in 2006. The height combo of age, skill, IQ, and athletic ability. The conditions were set for him to do that, especially considering he put no effort anywhere else on the game. Whether it was creating for others or playing the defense he is capable of ...

That would be like PEAK 1990 / 1991 / 1992 / 1993 MJ playing on a horrific squad with no true title chances going out every night just looking to score.

You don't think he'd be able to sniff 81 given the right conditions? You're an idiot.

Dude put up 35 points in a HALF in the NBA Finals, sitting out half of the entire 2nd quarter against the NEXT best player at his position and the #2 MVP candidate.

It would be like Kobe going up against Wade in the Finals and dropping 40 on him in one half, then chilling the rest of the game.

He could've easily eclipsed 70 in that Finals game if the situation was right. And it was on national television, the brightest spotlight. In the FINALS ... you're a damn retard.

:applause:

[KG215]

:biggums:

Kobe was at his absolute PEAK in 2006. The height combo of age, skill, IQ, and athletic ability. The conditions were set for him to do that, especially considering he put no effort anywhere else on the game. Whether it was creating for others or playing the defense he is capable of ...

That would be like PEAK 1990 / 1991 / 1992 / 1993 MJ playing on a horrific squad with no true title chances going out every night just looking to score.

You don't think he'd be able to sniff 81 given the right conditions? You're an idiot.

Dude put up 35 points in a HALF in the NBA Finals, sitting out half of the entire 2nd quarter against the NEXT best player at his position and the #2 MVP candidate.

It would be like Kobe going up against Wade in the Finals and dropping 40 on him in one half, then chilling the rest of the game.

He could've easily eclipsed 70 in that Finals game if the situation was right. And it was on national television, the brightest spotlight. In the FINALS ... you're a damn retard.

The DEFENSIVE RATINGS man!!! You're forgetting about the DEFENSIVE RATINGS dammit!!!

2005-2006 Raptors: 112.7
1991-1992 Blazers: 104.2

[alleykat]

mms game more impressive, but that doesn't take away any credit from kobes performance..

[TheMarkMadsen]

I think people are overlooking the fact that Jordan's game went to overtime.

If Kobe's game goes to OT chances are he gets 100.

[KOBE143]

LOL at all the Kobe haters..

A normal person even without common sense can tell you that 81 >>> 69.. :facepalm at all the Jordan stans that can even do a simple math.. They always think that Jordan is the best in everything.. Honestly Im also a Jordan fan but Kobe 81 points was better than Jordan 69 pts and its not even close.. Kobe did it in the toughest defensive era while Mike in the weakest/no defense era.. Both were impressive tho and I appreciate it as two of the best scoring performance of all time.. Kobe at #1, maybe Mike at#10.. :confusedshrug:

[DirtySanchez]

81 points Jordan himself would say that.
Let's not mention Kobe had that 63. Point game in 3 quarters around the same time.

[kennethgriffin]

didnt jordans 69 come in double overtime


give kobe 2 overtimes and he breaks wilts 100

[KG215]

LOL at all the Kobe haters..

A normal person even without common sense can tell you that 81 >>> 69.. :facepalm at all the Jordan stans that can even do a simple math.. They always think that Jordan is the best in everything.. Honestly Im also a Jordan fan but Kobe 81 points was better than Jordan 69 pts and its not even close.. Kobe did it in the toughest defensive era while Mike in the weakest/no defense era..Both were impressive tho and I appreciate it as two of the best scoring performance of all time.. Kobe at #1, maybe Mike at#10.. :confusedshrug:

You were actually kinda sorta going good until the bold. The Raptors were an awful defensive team. They had a DRtg of 113.7 that year.

[Calabis]

I think people are overlooking the fact that Jordan's game went to overtime.

If Kobe's game goes to OT chances are he gets 100.

:facepalm

Who cares if it went into OT, he still shot 9 more times than Jordan, the only way this argument holds weight is if Jordan shot more than Kobe

[Calabis]

didnt jordans 69 come in double overtime


give kobe 2 overtimes and he breaks wilts 100

:facepalm

It was one overtime, and took less shot attempts than Kobe with and extra period

[Magic 32]

Wasn't Kobe 7 points from scoring 69 in 3 qtr against the WCF champions?

[MastaKilla]

Wasn't Kobe 7 points from scoring 69 in 3 qtr against the WCF champions?

Yes.. And according to Kobe hater logic in this thread 62>69 because Kobe took less shots

[3ball]

We all know Kobe scored 81, but take a look at Kobe's 81 point game vs. Jordan's 69 point game vs the Cavs on 3/28/90

Kobe 81 points (28-46 63% shooting), 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 steal, 1 block, 3 turnover

Jordan 69 points(23-37 62% shooting), 18 rebounds, 6 assists, 4 steals, 1 block, 2 turnovers

Which is more impressive? I have to say Jordans. 18 rebounds while scoring 69 points is unheard of.

BTW, this game is on ESPN classic for you younger whippersnappers who have no idea how good Jordan was. Actually, there ESPN classic is running great NBA games all day today.
:eek:

doing what it takes to win... getting it all in the flow, not padding stats or gunning to score a specific number.

[sportjames23]

And MJ did it on the road vs a good team, as opposed to doing it at home vs one of the worst teams in the league.

I'm more impressed with Kobe's 64 vs the Mavs in three quarters than his 81-point game.

[3ball]

And MJ did it on the road vs a good team, as opposed to doing it at home vs one of the worst teams in the league.

I'm more impressed with Kobe's 64 vs the Mavs in three quarters than his 81-point game.
this is all true.

if an alien came to earth and wanted to see the top 50 players of all time - and once all gathered, they asked "ok, which guy can get the hottest?"

kobe wins that one... there's going to be some awful shooting nights and severe inefficiency in between, but when he DOES get hot, no one got hotter... :confusedshrug:

[ArbitraryWater]

Simple:

Kobe had the greater scoring game (slightly, 9 more shots against the 2nd worst defensive team in the NBA), MJ had the better overall game.

[MastaKilla]

this is all true.

if an alien came to earth and wanted to see the top 50 players of all time - and once all gathered, they asked "ok, which guy can get the hottest?"

kobe wins that one... there's going to be some awful shooting nights and severe inefficiency in between, but when he DOES get hot, no one got hotter... :confusedshrug:

Very true.

Completely agree with the last part.

[MastaKilla]

Simple:

Kobe had the greater scoring game (slightly, 9 more shots against the 2nd worst defensive team in the NBA), MJ had the better overall game.

Lets just completely ignore the fact that the Mavs made the finals

[Paul George 24]

Bryant's 81 was more impressive offensively, but it's obvious that Jordan's was the better all around game.

offence not just scores :hammerhead:

[Ramza]

I agree. 200 points, 85 rebounds, 60 assists, it's all child's play for MJ. He could hit a 6 pointer if he wanted to, he just doesn't want to show anyone up.
But players in the 90s weren't as evolved as today's humans :confusedshrug:

[kennethgriffin]

jordans 69 point game came in double overtime

he had 61 points at the end of the 4th quarter that game

infact jordan has never scored more than 61 after 4 quarters in a game


a) kobe scored 62 after 3 quarters before

and

b) if that 81 point game had 2 overtimes kobe would have scored 100+

[Mr Feeny]

Lets just completely ignore the fact that the Mavs made the finals

Nelson ' s mavs?
Were you alive back then? Are you not aware that the team Kobe faced in the fall of 2005 wasn't the same defensive gem that made the finals?

[Deuce Bigalow]

81 is the greatest individual performance of alltime

[MastaKilla]

Nelson ' s mavs?
Were you alive back then? Are you not aware that the team Kobe faced in the fall of 2005 wasn't the same defensive gem that made the finals?

The team that Kobe dropped 62 on was the team that made the finals, moron.

[AlphaWolf24]

I always preferred the "Kobe dropping 55 points on Michael Jordan" ( 42 in the first half , Kobe basically sat out the 4th quarter) ...

as a better display of Kobe's offensive ability.....so dangerous.

[Mr Feeny]

The team that Kobe dropped 62 on was the team that made the finals, moron.
Err no. Nelson ' s mavs wasn't the same team that made the finals.
How old are you?

[Mr Feeny]

81 is the greatest individual performance of alltime

Hardly. Taking competition and stakes into account, Lebron's game 5 at the palace is comfortably more impressive, as is his 45-15 game 6 elimination performance on 70% IN BOSTON while holding Pierce to 4-18 shooting.
46 shots against the 2006 raptors doesn't do much for many of us. Tough luck.

[3ball]

I always preferred the "Kobe dropping 55 points on Michael Jordan" ( 42 in the first half , Kobe basically sat out the 4th quarter) ...

as a better display of Kobe's offensive ability.....so dangerous.
look for yourself - Jordan didn't guard Kobe for even 1 possession in that game.

all kobe's points came on jerry stackhouse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqfVQo_uyGk

still a nice game - 55 points and 42 by halftime, but it was against a garbage team, and none came on the GOAT.

[MastaKilla]

Err no. Nelson ' s mavs wasn't the same team that made the finals.
How old are you?


Kobe dropped 62 on the Mavs during the 06 season, the Mavs made the 06 finals.

It was the same season, the game took place in December of 05, that's like saying all of these games happening now aren't a part of the 2015 season.

I can't believe I have to explain this to you

How stupid are you?

[BigBoss]

81 fukin points by a shooting guard

/thread

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Err no. Nelson ' s mavs wasn't the same team that made the finals.
How old are you?
Why are you bringing up Nelson's Mavs? They have nothing to do with the 62 points Kobe dropped in 3 quarters ... against the Avery Johnson coached Mavs.

[fragokota]

Learn to appreciate greatness wherever it comes from. Legendary performances by two of the greatest of all times. Stop it with the childish ruler posts...

[AlphaWolf24]

look for yourself - Jordan didn't guard Kobe for even 1 possession in that game.

all kobe's points came on jerry stackhouse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqfVQo_uyGk

still a nice game - 55 points and 42 by halftime, but it was against a garbage team, and none came on the GOAT.


Nope..some came on B Russ....I watched the game live and still have the whole game on VHS

Jordan was shook after Kobe dropped 20 points in like 4 minutes...MJ had to pick up Kobe a few times on D then quickly called for the switch...

by the 2nd quarter MJ took himself outta the game and was visibly upset on the bench...( pretty sure he was so mad he had tears)...

The simple fact Kobe made MJ quit....is the reason most fans say he dropped 55 on MJ.


I clearly remember as I was played Div 1 BBall and was trying out for the Lakers that year.

[ballup]

are you trying to say that MJ's 69 was better than Kobe's 81? go to the store and buy something that costs 81 dollars but instead only pay 69 dollars and 18 pennies and see if the clerk thinks its better than 81
Does any one else think this is ridiculously dumb?

[Paul George 24]

didnt jordans 69 come in double overtime


give kobe 2 overtimes and he breaks wilts 100

18 rebs >>>>>>>>> 6 rebs

[Paul George 24]

LOL at all the Kobe haters..

A normal person even without common sense can tell you that 81 >>> 69.. :facepalm at all the Jordan stans that can even do a simple math.. They always think that Jordan is the best in everything.. Honestly Im also a Jordan fan but Kobe 81 points was better than Jordan 69 pts and its not even close.. Kobe did it in the toughest defensive era while Mike in the weakest/no defense era.. Both were impressive tho and I appreciate it as two of the best scoring performance of all time.. Kobe at #1, maybe Mike at#10.. :confusedshrug:

kobe only focus on offence,unlike jordan

[3ball]

uh, so let's see here... 81 > 69 and that's it... end of discussion?

what if the 81 came against a high school team, then would that make a difference?

okay, it didn't, but it did come against a 27-win team that sported a 113 defensive rating.

jordan's came against a 42-win team that had a 107 defensive rating.

oh, and jordan had 18 rebounds and 6 assists to kobe's 6 and 2 - but yeah, let's act like rebounding and assists are not part of someone's performance... :facepalm

most importantly, a lot of kobe's 4th quarter points came in garbage time when the game was well-decided, whereas all of Jordan's points came when it mattered - Jordan's team needed every single point he scored.

kobe was also gunning for a high scoring number - that was obvious from the 3rd quarter... whereas jordan got all his points in the flow of the offense.

Cliffs of what we've learned itt: Jordan's performance was more impressive given that 1) his performance came against a much better team and defensive team (Cavs had 107 defensive rating to Raptors 113).. 2) none of his points came in garbage time.. 3) he had 3 times as many rebounds and assists.. 4) at no point was he gunning for a high scoring number - he got all his points in the flow of the offense.

[sekachu]

18 rebs >>>>>>>>> 6 rebs



I think is much more difficult for kobe to get 69 with 18 rebound, 6 assist than get 81.

[NZStreetBaller]

the title implies that we are comparing the points only.

IF you wrote jordans entire stat line vs kobes entire stat line then we can compare the rebounds and assist. but we talking about the points here.

Does someone have the 3 pointers made.. that would make a difference. Kobe higher points on higher effeciency i would go for kobe.

[ArbitraryWater]

jordans 69 point game came in double overtime

he had 61 points at the end of the 4th quarter that game

infact jordan has never scored more than 61 after 4 quarters in a game


a) kobe scored 62 after 3 quarters before

and

b) if that 81 point game had 2 overtimes kobe would have scored 100+




You can tell yourself lies over and over again until you start believing them, but it still wasn't double OT..

[3peated]

younger whippersnappers

:banana:

[Da_Realist]

uh, so let's see here... 81 > 69 and that's it... end of discussion?

what if the 81 came against a high school team, then would that make a difference?

okay, it didn't, but it did come against a 27-win team that sported a 113 defensive rating.

jordan's came against a 42-win team that had a 107 defensive rating.

oh, and jordan had 18 rebounds and 6 assists to kobe's 6 and 2 - but yeah, let's act like rebounding and assists are not part of someone's performance... :facepalm

most importantly, a lot of kobe's 4th quarter points came in garbage time when the game was well-decided, whereas all of Jordan's points came when it mattered - Jordan's team needed every single point he scored.

kobe was also gunning for a high scoring number - that was obvious from the 3rd quarter... whereas jordan got all his points in the flow of the offense.

Cliffs of what we've learned itt: Jordan's performance was more impressive given that 1) his performance came against a much better team and defensive team (Cavs had 107 defensive rating to Raptors 113).. 2) none of his points came in garbage time.. 3) he had 3 times as many rebounds and assists.. 4) at no point was he gunning for a high scoring number - he got all his points in the flow of the offense.

Check, check and check. Plus it was against a playoff team the Bulls had defeated in dramatic fashion two years in a row coming into the game. And he did it in Cleveland. This was not a friendly environment with fans and teammates encouraging him to shoot for some modern record when no one else was playing that hard in the fourth quarter.

[andgar923]

I've said this before and I'll say it again...

Just the fact that Kobe was able to take that many shots in that time span is proof that the defense was horrid. He wasn't even prevented from touching the ball, whereas MJ had to go through screens to simply touch it.

On top of that, the Cavs were running MJ through screens on defense, you know.... what Kobe is allergic to playing when he's on scoring mode.

If a team even allows you to shoot that many shots in that short time span, it shows lack of defensive will. They're not even trying at denying him possessions, let alone stopping him when he does touch it.

Also overlooked is how many free throws Kobe got in that time span. So not only were they not keeping him from touching the ball, when he did touch it they were afraid of touching him because they'd get called for a foul. How the hell is somebody gonna play tough defense when half the team is already in foul trouble? :confusedshrug:

Key stats:

Kobe- 46 fga, 20 fta, in 42 minutes (the latter minutes in garbage time vs a garbage team)

MJ- 37fga, 23 fta, in 50 minutes (highly competitive game vs a playoff team rival)

Kobe was gunning, while Mj was just playing to win.

But as we've all seen time and time again, Kobe's scoring>>> team's winning. He wants to score more than he wants to win.

OH... and MJ was playing hurt btw.