John Wall 2010 #1 Pick

[liljohnnywall]

John Wall is worth the hype. He is putting up numbers right now in college better than Derrick Rose, Tyreke Evans, OJ Mayo.
He just came off a 21 point 11 assists 6 rebs game today. Just a typical stat line for him :pimp:

[kurple]

He will be very good, but not sure he will be AMAZING

[liljohnnywall]

He will be very good, but not sure he will be AMAZING


He is better than Carmelo and LeBron at the age of 19.

[twolvesfan]

He is better than Carmelo and LeBron at the age of 19.
lebron had better numbers in the NBA at age 19

[iggy>]

lebron had better numbers in the NBA at age 19
why argue with trolls?

[kurple]

He is better than Carmelo and LeBron at the age of 19.

Melo led his college team to an NCAA championship at the age of 19.. He also led the Nuggets (who before melo were one of the worst teams in the league) to the playoffs at 19

[plowking]

lebron had better numbers in the NBA at age 19

Jennings>Bron and Melo?

[MMKM]

He is better than Carmelo and LeBron at the age of 19.

I was about to bash the sh!t out of you for that statement. Then I went on youtube and watched the kid play. :eek: I've never seen a guard with that package of both athleticism and skills. Lebron was more athletic, but not nearly as skilled. Some of those dribble moves, layups and passes are as good as anything I've ever seen, from anybody. And yeah he's playing against high school kids, but you can still recognize his unbelievable skills and athletic abilities. What kind of a shooter is he right now? If this guy has his head on straight he's a future HOFer.

[MMKM]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4CbQGBbUOw

The moves he makes from the 1:10 mark to around the 1:30 mark are absolutely amazing. This kid's gonna be great.

[liljohnnywall]

I was about to bash the sh!t out of you for that statement. Then I went on youtube and watched the kid play. :eek: I've never seen a guard with that package of both athleticism and skills. Lebron was more athletic, but not nearly as skilled. Some of those dribble moves, layups and passes are as good as anything I've ever seen, from anybody. And yeah he's playing against high school kids, but you can still recognize his unbelievable skills and athletic abilities. What kind of a shooter is he right now? If this guy has his head on straight he's a future HOFer.

Where have you been????? You just now went to watch him. Wall is more athletic that the utube video you watched. He has a pretty good jumper it is not like Brandon Jennings or OJ Mayo's but he is getting there. You can
t keep him out the lane.
He could go down as a top 5 player ever.

[MMKM]

Where have you been????? You just now went to watch him. Wall is more athletic that the utube video you watched. He has a pretty good jumper it is not like Brandon Jennings or OJ Mayo's but he is getting there. You can
t keep him out the lane.
He could go down as a top 5 player ever.


I hate to go out on a limb talking about a player who just got out of high school, but with some guys you just look at them and say, "how could this guy NOT become great?" It was like that with Lebron and Amare for me. He's the same way.

[liljohnnywall]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4CbQGBbUOw

The moves he makes from the 1:10 mark to around the 1:30 mark are absolutely amazing. This kid's gonna be great.


Watch this MMKM it is actually gameplay a scrimmage 9 minutes long but it is worth watching Wall is in the gray.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rsjJQz0GGE

4:56 how wade like

[OneMoreSucka]

He is better than Carmelo and LeBron at the age of 19.
Two play in the NBA, one doesn't.

[LA_Showtime]

John Wall possibly going number one? You are really going out on a limb.

[Manute for Ever!]

He looks bigger than 6'4"...

[YAH trick YAH]

Why did his high school team have a losing record with him running the point?

[HylianNightmare]

He's looked disgusting so far

[TMac&Luther]

And yeah he's playing against high school kids, but you can still recognize his unbelievable skills and athletic abilities. What kind of a shooter is he right now? If this guy has his head on straight he's a future HOFer.

Owning high school kids still means absolutely nothing and guarantees nothing.

Steve Francis was a beast at the same age and NOBODY will ever confuse him with being a HOFer. I'm not saying Wall can't do great things in this league......just saying lets hold off with all the HOFer talk and actually wait and see what kind of player he becomes in this league.

For all we know he could just become the next highly talented PG who's skills/athletic ability don't really translate to team wins.........just like Steve Francis.

[poido123]

No doubt he's talented and has all the right skills, but I want to see what his work ethic and drive is when he is playing in the league, he could be one of the best, but he will need to be willing to work on his game and improve to be considered HOFer material one day...:confusedshrug:

[JM720]

Highlights from tonight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxEAliIWYeA

:eek:

[TryToBeUnbias]

Kid reminds me of wade

[chazzy]

Awesome player.. he's gotta hit the weightroom a bit if he wants to finish that easily in the NBA like this.

[Luigi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4CbQGBbUOw

The moves he makes from the 1:10 mark to around the 1:30 mark are absolutely amazing. This kid's gonna be great.

Nice video. Still, I would expect most starting NBA guards to do similar to those high school kids.

I like how he dunks in front of his head instead of behind it. Its more dangerous to stretch out like that since you are in the air longer before getting to the rim. Lebron stays down until the last moment and ends up dunking behind his head. Its safer since nobody is going to cut you out from under, but I love the extention.

[iamgine]

Wall can become great, but it's really too early. A lot of things can happen between good and great. How many good to great players have lost their greatness potential due to injury alone:

Amare - injury
Wade - injury
Tmac - injury
Hill - injury
Ginobili - injury
Yao - injury
Arenas - injury

and that's just one obstacle. Lebron has been so lucky to avoid such unfortunate event.

[liljohnnywall]

The thing that makes John Wall so special is that he only 19 and is already better than Derrick Rose, Brandon Jennings, OJ Mayo, Russell Westbrook all these young upcoming players Wall is better than, and he has yet to play an NBA game.

[Nash-tastic]

He's more of a combo guard to me, can he truly run the team's offense? Sure he can do flashy passes, but how good are his playmaking abilities?

[ZOMG]

The thing that makes John Wall so special is that he only 19 and is already better than Derrick Rose, Brandon Jennings, OJ Mayo, Russell Westbrook all these young upcoming players Wall is better than, and he has yet to play an NBA game.

:rolleyes:

[oh the horror]

This over hyping players to the max is ultimately what KILLS THEM when they come into the league, and dont put up SUPERSTAR numbers immediately.


Seriously, some of you need to get off this kid's d*ck already. He looks nice so far, but I reserve any opinion on him until he plays in the NBA.


Too many players along the years have failed to live up to the hype immediately and it hurts them in the long run. Ive literally seen a a good chunk of players dominate in HS, and then do very well in college...ONLY to turn around and be OKAY players in the NBA.

[Shepseskaf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4CbQGBbUOw

The moves he makes from the 1:10 mark to around the 1:30 mark are absolutely amazing. This kid's gonna be great.
Nice footage, but not amazing to me. Certainly a great talent, but time will tell how it translates in the league.

[Batman]

there is no way he can live up to this hype, you john wall fans aren't doing him justice.

[Jerkstore!]

there is no way he can live up to this hype, you john wall fans aren't doing him justice.

there is no way

[Poodle Bark]

Since I'm scouting guru around here, let me offer my thoughts:

From the little I've seen from him, what jumps out most l, beyond his NBA-ready physical tools, is his awareness and great inbetween dribble and finishing skill.

But his awarness is off the chain. Dude seems to know whats going on at all times.

But cmon, dude will never be top-5 of any alltime list. Dude's passing seems to be average, or at the least, not exceptional. He'll be a Dwyane Wade type player but thats it.

[Papaya Petee]

Since I'm scouting guru around here, let me offer my thoughts:

From the little I've seen from him, what jumps out most l, beyond his NBA-ready physical tools, is his awareness and great inbetween dribble and finishing skill.

But his awarness is off the chain. Dude seems to know whats going on at all times.

But cmon, dude will never be top-5 of any alltime list. Dude's passing seems to be average, or at the least, not exceptional. He'll be a Dwyane Wade type player but thats it.


And how is that bad?
Wade is a top 50 player of all time already and has a Championship already.

If Wall will be as good as Wade that will be considered a fantastic career.

[liljohnnywall]

he is like the improved version of Wade.

[kurple]

he is like the improved version of Wade.

he haven't played an NBA game yet.

[Bodin]

he haven't played an NBA game yet.

Exactly. Who said he's going to be top 5 all time. Omg are you 6 years old?

From this thread I get worst case Steve Francis, best case DWade. From what I've seen he looks great so far... how is his jump shot? 3pt?

[goldenryan]

Owning high school kids still means absolutely nothing and guarantees nothing.
.

well i used to get rep bars for it here. :pimp:

[noob cake]

Exactly. Who said he's going to be top 5 all time. Omg are you 6 years old?

From this thread I get worst case Steve Francis, best case DWade. From what I've seen he looks great so far... how is his jump shot? 3pt?

Don't know, but has the first step quickness that puts Derrick Rose to shame.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Welcome to the Nets, John Wall!
:cheers:

[liljohnnywall]

Welcome to the Nets, John Wall!
:cheers:

If you have the worse record in the league you just have the greater chance of getting #1 pick, but its a lottery so you never know any of the bottom 14 teams has a shot at him. Wall is legit PG that means you guys going to have to trade Harris.

[lukekarts]

He is very impressive in college, I'll give him that. His drives and plays are very Wade-like, in fact his whole game is, and he's exceptionally quick & athletic.

But obviously he's not played an NBA game yet. These guys are much bigger, stronger and defensively capable, and I worry if his game will translate well into the NBA. He might keep getting hammered in the post, not getting to the free throw line and then making bad decisons about when to drive, jump or pass. The potential is there, its just whether he's smart enough to achieve it.

Worst case: Russell Westbrook
Best case: Dwyane Wade (+2 APG, - 5PPG)

[clownprince]

john wall is deff impressive

[lukekarts]

If you have the worse record in the league you just have the greater chance of getting #1 pick, but its a lottery so you never know any of the bottom 14 teams has a shot at him. Wall is legit PG that means you guys going to have to trade Harris.

Could they play Harris / Wall in the backcourt? Is that possible? Wall is 6'4, not a huge but not that undersized to play SG either. A playmaking backcourt is not necessarily a bad thing.

If not, assuming this happens, the Nets could get someone good in the front court for Harris.

[liljohnnywall]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkUxpa9CyaI

my favorite part about john wall is from 3:44-3:53 what a play and to make it even worse he flexes his muscles to taught them :applause:

[liljohnnywall]

The Messiah had 15 points 6 rebounds 4 assists in a blow out. Tonight is a statement game against Stanford at 9:30 est, expect Wall to flirt with a triple double.

Right now the messiah is averaging 19 points 4 rebs 7 assists 2 steals 1 block 56% FG:applause:

[steeph28]

The Messiah had 15 points 6 rebounds 4 assists in a blow out. Tonight is a statement game against Stanford at 9:30 est, expect Wall to flirt with a triple double.

Right now the messiah is averaging 19 points 4 rebs 7 assists 2 steals 1 block 56% FG:applause:

When Wall is in the league next year, the NBA will have a "Messiah" and a "King" (LeBron) playing at the same time. How will they ever coexist???

[Mr Clutch Melo]

Greg Monroe = 1.pick:cheers:

[liljohnnywall]

When Wall is in the league next year, the NBA will have a "Messiah" and a "King" (LeBron) playing at the same time. How will they ever coexist???


The Messiah welcome all band wagoners. A 6'4 guard shooting 56% from the field, is that even possible. Jordaon couldn't even do that and he is 6'6.

[ProfessorMurder]

The Messiah welcome all band wagoners. A 6'4 guard shooting 56% from the field, is that even possible. Jordaon couldn't even do that and he is 6'6.

Who's JorDAON?

[liljohnnywall]

Greg Monroe = 1.pick:cheers:

top 10 if lucky
http://www.nbadraft.net/2010mock_draft

[liljohnnywall]

Who's JorDAON?

Michael Jordan*

[Mr Clutch Melo]

top 10 if lucky
http://www.nbadraft.net/2010mock_draft

20?:roll:

[kurple]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkUxpa9CyaI

my favorite part about john wall is from 3:44-3:53 what a play and to make it even worse he flexes his muscles to taught them :applause:

LOL that was some terrible ball handling :roll: :roll:

[kurple]

The Messiah welcome all band wagoners. A 6'4 guard shooting 56% from the field, is that even possible. Jordaon couldn't even do that and he is 6'6.

College is much tougher than the NBA

[KubiliusF]

Donatas Motiejūnas still has higher ceiling.

[KG215]

[QUOTE=Lebron23]
John Wall was measured at 6'1" in the 2009 Nike Elite Camp.
[QUOTE]

This is from another John Wall thread from Spetember. I know I had heard this around the same time as well about Wall. The kid can play but he's not a legit 6'4". He may show up a the NBA Pre-Draft camp and be measured under 6'2" in socks as Derrick Rose was.

With that said; the kid can play and has a ton of potential.

[liljohnnywall]

Donatas Motiejūnas still has higher ceiling.

who?

[KubiliusF]

who?

dont worry you`ll know about him in the 2010 draft night. might be top2 pick

[K-Mart]

who?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E37MBYJ-w7k&feature=player_embedded

[LebrickJames84']

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E37MBYJ-w7k&feature=player_embedded

Stay away from European Players. Dirk is the exception their games don't translate to the NBA game .

[YAH trick YAH]

The Messiah welcome all band wagoners. A 6'4 guard shooting 56% from the field, is that even possible. Jordaon couldn't even do that and he is 6'6.

So how come Wall couldn't lead his high school team to a winning record?

[The Big Skinny]

at this point...

Evan Turner is lookin like the #1 pick

He can do it all

Wall is a little undersized for the NBA

[liljohnnywall]

John Wall and UK are in a close game right now against Stanford. wall is about to take over.

http://www.atdhe.net/10450/watch-stanford-vs-kentucky

[cdorse1]

John Wall and UK are in a close game right now against Stanford. wall is about to take over.

http://www.atdhe.net/10450/watch-stanford-vs-kentucky

Wall isn't the best freshman on his team

[TheTruth11]

Wall isn't the best freshman on his team

Wall should be good but he is playing weak teams right now that are not playing defense. I could put up 30 points against the teams he is playing.

I will hold off judgment until he does something against real competition.

And if you think he can be as good as Derrick Rose, go read the draft profile on Rose..... and then read the one on Wall. Rose is a once in a lifetime type athlete at guard. Scouts say he is almost UNGUARDABLE when he chooses to take it to the rim. He arguably has the most explosive first step in the game.

[liljohnnywall]

Wall should be good but he is playing weak teams right now that are not playing defense. I could put up 30 points against the teams he is playing.

I will hold off judgment until he does something against real competition.

And if you think he can be as good as Derrick Rose, go read the draft profile on Rose..... and then read the one on Wall. Rose is a once in a lifetime type athlete at guard. Scouts say he is almost UNGUARDABLE when he chooses to take it to the rim. He arguably has the most explosive first step in the game.

i say go watch a bulls game Rose can't get to the rim any more after his injury.

[Basketman]

Wall is a little undersized for the NBA
He's 6'4" and plays point. That is not undersized.

[TheTruth11]

He's 6'4" and plays point. That is not undersized.

Rose is recovering from his injury and getting his explosion back. He had 28 points in a game last week and gave Greg Oden a facial a couple of nights ago.

Wall should be a good one. But let him prove it over time. Right now the guy has done nothing.

[liljohnnywall]

Rose is recovering from his injury and getting his explosion back. He had 28 points in a game last week and gave Greg Oden a facial a couple of nights ago.

Wall should be a good one. But let him prove it over time. Right now the guy has done nothing.


he has hit a game winnier. And just hit 2 fts to send the game into OT. after Cousins choked. Wall saved his ass, put this team now

[liljohnnywall]

Another win. Wall 23 points 5 rebs 5 assists. Just your nomral stat line for the Messiah. We are going undefeated we are better than UCLA of the 70s.

[Pharcyde]

Greg Monroe = 1.pick:cheers:
Monroe isn't that good.

[WuTangWizard]

Another win. Wall 23 points 5 rebs 5 assists. Just your nomral stat line for the Messiah. We are going undefeated we are better than UCLA of the 70s.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

you already almost lost to 2 unranked teams a few games into the season and you're going to go undefeated? get the f-uck out of here

[KG215]

He's 6'4" and plays point. That is not undersized.

Again, Wall has been measured at just under 6'2" in socks. That isn't really undersized for a PG but I'm just saying.

[Jinxed]

And yet him and his band of Mcdonalds All-American Teammates are BARELY scraping by against crappy teams

My prediction is that John Wall is the epitome of a Rudy Gay,Allen Iverson..all flash but can't do the little things properly that make teams win, such as running the offense, guarding the pick and roll...

[DuMa]

body and movement reminds me of jamal crawford.

[Undisputed]

liloj, got sick of supporting OJ Mayo so now you're on the John Wall bangwagon? :oldlol:

I don't know why you post on so many gimmicks, it's getting old and obvious already.

[KOBE24isdabest]

a quick wallpaper i've made

http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss146/kobeowen131/JOHNWALLWALLPAPER.jpg

visit the photoshop thread to request and see more amazing jersey switches! :D

[Undisputed]

visit the photoshop thread to request and see more amazing jersey switches! :D
Nice work, man. That looks looks really good.

[B-Easy]

are you kidding me, i only saw a couples games. But damn,This guy is a superstar in the making, and im talking about in the NBA, NCAA its already given. Wow, im glad well see another young superstar at the level of Wade, Bron....... hes clearly a better than player than Rose, Mayo...

As a Heat fan. Hopefully he gets drafted out West.

[liljohnnywall]

liloj, got sick of supporting OJ Mayo so now you're on the John Wall bangwagon? :oldlol:

I don't know why you post on so many gimmicks, it's getting old and obvious already.

Gimmick. :wtf:

[liljohnnywall]

a quick wallpaper i've made

http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss146/kobeowen131/JOHNWALLWALLPAPER.jpg

visit the photoshop thread to request and see more amazing jersey switches! :D

sweet wallpaper

[Mateo]

he reminds so much of wade it's uncanny....

[Mateo]

And yet him and his band of Mcdonalds All-American Teammates are BARELY scraping by against crappy teams

My prediction is that John Wall is the epitome of a Rudy Gay,Allen Iverson..all flash but can't do the little things properly that make teams win, such as running the offense, guarding the pick and roll...

he does the little things for sure... he's a pass first kind of guy. really he's just like wade. the only thing about wall that scares me a little is that he might not be a 100% stand-up type of human being the way wade is and that can cause problems.

[Batman]

he does the little things for sure... he's a pass first kind of guy. really he's just like wade. the only thing about wall that scares me a little is that he might not be a 100% stand-up type of human being the way wade is and that can cause problems.

I see the Wade in him, I also see a more explosive Jamal Crawford also.

[chocolatethunder]

he does the little things for sure... he's a pass first kind of guy. really he's just like wade. the only thing about wall that scares me a little is that he might not be a 100% stand-up type of human being the way wade is and that can cause problems.

I hope you're joking about Wade being stand up. Neither Wade nor Wall are pass first or even close to pass first. One thing Wall does exactly like Wade, he turns the ball over like it's his job. He will be an undersized chucking turnover machine like Crawford is in the NBA.

[wang4three]

at this point...

Evan Turner is lookin like the #1 pick

He can do it all

Wall is a little undersized for the NBA

Evan Turner is looking like the CPOY, but I'm not sure he'll overturn Wall for the #1 pick. Don't get me wrong though, he's gunning for the top 3 along with Monroe.

[Jinxed]

Evan Turner is looking like the CPOY, but I'm not sure he'll overturn Wall for the #1 pick. Don't get me wrong though, he's gunning for the top 3 along with Monroe.

Donatas Motiejunas is the projected number 2 pick

[brandonislegend]

John Wall ****ing KILLED tonight wow.

[brandonislegend]

6-9 FG 12 points, 14 assists, 6 steals.

[liljohnnywall]

6-9 FG 12 points, 14 assists, 6 steals.

He is the messiah of basketball.
Wall in 6 games is averaging 18.5 PPG 4 reb 7.8 apg 55.6% FG
and he is only 6'4

[Batman]

He is the messiah of basketball.
Wall in 6 games is averaging 18.5 PPG 4 reb 7.8 apg 55.6% FG
and he is only 6'4

not crazy numbers

[ZOMG]

and he is only 6'4

That's almost PF territory in college basketball. :rolleyes:

[Batman]

That's almost PF territory in college basketball. :rolleyes:

maybe HS

[wang4three]

Donatas Motiejunas is the projected number 2 pick

These early draft projections mean squat. Last year at this time Blake was barely in the top 10.

[Grinder]

These early draft projections mean squat. Last year at this time Blake was barely in the top 10.

DX had Blake number 1 well before preseason.

[NuggetsFan]

Wonder what will happen if the Jazz end up getting the #1 pick. Do they draft Wall? What would the pick's trade value be?. Correct me if I'm wrong but don't the Jazz have the Knicks first round pick this year?.

[plowking]

Wonder what will happen if the Jazz end up getting the #1 pick. Do they draft Wall? What would the pick's trade value be?. Correct me if I'm wrong but don't the Jazz have the Knicks first round pick this year?.

They would obviously trade him to the Heat.

[NuggetsFan]

They would obviously trade him to the Heat.

:oldlol: but really seems like this kid has tons of hype and the Jazz are set at the PG spot with D-Will. Probably could get some serious talent back.

[Younggrease]

:oldlol: but really seems like this kid has tons of hype and the Jazz are set at the PG spot with D-Will. Probably could get some serious talent back.

do the Jazz own the right to someone's draft pick?

[brantonli]

do the Jazz own the right to someone's draft pick?


The Knick's draft pick, and I'm not sure it's even protected or not.

[plowking]

Nope I don't think it's protected...

Do the Jazz keep Wall and move him to SG in that case?

[liljohnnywall]

Nope I don't think it's protected...

Do the Jazz keep Wall and move him to SG in that case?

Wall is the type of player that needs to the ball every possession to make a play for us. He is a better playmaker than Williams. If anything they would move Williamss to the SG.

[TheAnchorman]

Wall is the type of player that needs to the ball every possession to make a play for us. He is a better playmaker than Williams. If anything they would move Williamss to the SG.
Wow, aren't you even pushing that just a little bit? :ohwell: Williams is arguably the 2nd best PG in the NBA, and you're saying that Wall makes plays better?

[brandonislegend]

John Wall is going to be a MONSTER if he goes to the right organization, for example if he gets put in a situation as brandon jennings where he handles the ball all the time he is going to be a monster, i just hope he doesnt get put on a team with ball hoggers

[liljohnnywall]

Wow, aren't you even pushing that just a little bit? :ohwell: Williams is arguably the 2nd best PG in the NBA, and you're saying that Wall makes plays better?

Did you watch John Wall's game last night? He had 14 assists all on him making a plays, he does that without getting 100 pick and rolls like Williams and Paul. Just think when he comes off pick and rolls next year.

[liljohnnywall]

John Wall is going to be a MONSTER if he goes to the right organization, for example if he gets put in a situation as brandon jennings where he handles the ball all the time he is going to be a monster, i just hope he doesnt get put on a team with ball hoggers

like your grizzlies?

[B-Easy]

im a big fan of this guy the little ive seen him play.. i think weve had some good future All-Stars the past 2 drafts (Jennings, Rose, Westbrook, Griffin, Beasley, etc..) ..but this guy is a future superstar.

Does anyone have highlighs from yesterdays game?

[brandonislegend]

Well, depending on what happens in the off season. Right now John Wall wouldn't get his numbers if he was on current grizzlies squad

[WuTangWizard]

wow could you be any more on wall's dick?

[RajonKGcelts]

I love UK and Wall, and honestly he could be one and done and play and do really well. I'd like to see him stay for his sophmore year, he'd come out after that so polished. It would really help

[rknine15]

This guy was great yesterday against UNCA.

At one point he had 3 Ally oops in a row. 4 ally's in TOTAL.

He had 6 steals and 3 dunks. A sweet tomahawk.

This guy is gotta look great in a Nets Jersey.

[RajonKGcelts]

This guy was great yesterday against UNCA.

At one point he had 3 Ally oops in a row. 4 ally's in TOTAL.

He had 6 steals and 3 dunks. A sweet tomahawk.

This guy is gotta look great in a Nets Jersey.

Won't go to Nets

[rknine15]

Won't go to Nets
Yes he will.

[liljohnnywall]

Dec 5 next game Wall is playing Roy Williams's North Carolina Tar Heels on national tv.

[Samurai Swoosh]

John Wall is my favorite college player in sometime. I think he's going to be better than my boy Derrick Rose, easily.

[RajonKGcelts]

Yes he will.


Whens the last time the worst team got the first pick?

[Mateo]

Whens the last time the worst team got the first pick?

2004, Dwight Howard. and then 2003, LeBron James sweepstakes. The worst team probably "due" to get the 1st pick.

[rknine15]

Whens the last time the worst team got the first pick?
The worst team in the League is due to get the first pick.

Also if you gonna play the history card look at this:

Derrick Coleman 1990 First pick Selected by New Jersey Nets

Kenyon Martin 2000 First pick Selected by New Jersey Nets

John Wall 2010 First pick Selected by New Jersey Nets


you see the pattern???? John Wall will be a New Jersey/Brooklyn Net(unless he starts playing like shyt.... yeah).

[Nets fan 93]

The worst team in the League is due to get the first pick.

Also if you gonna play the history card look at this:

Derrick Coleman 1990 First pick Selected by New Jersey Nets

Kenyon Martin 2000 First pick Selected by New Jersey Nets

John Wall 2010 First pick Selected by New Jersey Nets


you see the pattern???? John Wall will be a New Jersey/Brooklyn Net(unless he starts playing like shyt.... yeah).
:cheers:

And to the poster you quoted... LeBron and went to the worst team in 03'

[Lebron23]

He's going to be the savior of the New Jersey Nets. The New Jersey Nets need to trade Devin Harris next year cause Wall has a higher potential than Harris.

[liljohnnywall]

He's going to be the savior of the New Jersey Nets. The New Jersey Nets need to trade Devin Harris next year cause Wall has a higher potential than Harris.

John Wall may be the greatest prospect ever. Devin Harris name shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence with his. Everybody after saturday when he single handedly beats UNC will know the name John Wall.

[rknine15]

John Wall may be the greatest prospect ever. Devin Harris name shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence with his. Everybody after saturday when he single handedly beats UNC will know the name John Wall.
Just programmed the game, gonna be fun........ My first good look at Davis.

[liljohnnywall]

John Wall is destroying UNC single handedly. I have been holding back but I am ready to say Wall is the greatest prospect ever better than LeBron, Melo, Kobe, Tmac, Mayo, Howard, all the hyped players. Nobody compares to John " The Messiah" Wall.

[Mr Clutch Melo]

John Wall is destroying UNC single handedly. I have been holding back but I am ready to say Wall is the greatest prospect ever better than LeBron, Melo, Kobe, Tmac, Mayo, Howard, all the hyped players. Nobody compares to John " The Messiah" Wall.
:lol Just stop.


Do you think he will be the GOAT or something?

[ZOMG]

I have been holding back

:oldlol:

I'm beginning to enjoy this gimmick.

[rknine15]

John Wall is destroying UNC single handedly. I have been holding back but I am ready to say Wall is the greatest prospect ever better than LeBron, Melo, Kobe, Tmac, Mayo, Howard, all the hyped players. Nobody compares to John " The Messiah" Wall.
Not better than Lebron and Howard. Probably tied with Melo.

[liljohnnywall]

:lol Just stop.


Do you think he will be the GOAT or something?

Not even Melo who lead Syracuse to a Championship is doing what John Wall is doing. Wall may be leading the greatest assembled college basketball team. 40-0 is not out of the question.

[Mr Clutch Melo]

Not even Melo who lead Syracuse to a Championship is doing what John Wall is doing. Wall may be leading the greatest assembled college basketball team. 40-0 is not out the question.

Many people have dominated College basketball before and then only to become average or good players in the NBA but we will see:cheers: .

[vert48]

John Wall is destroying UNC single handedly. I have been holding back but I am ready to say Wall is the greatest prospect ever better than LeBron, Melo, Kobe, Tmac, Mayo, Howard, all the hyped players. Nobody compares to John " The Messiah" Wall.On the Greatest Prospect Ever list, anyone that was not the undisputed #1 pick is obviously out. LeBron is the only player from that group that is even worth mentioning.

For me, this comes down to an all time draft with no knowledge of what they will do in the NBA, which instantly narrows the list down to a single player:
Kareem Abdul Jabbar

[liljohnnywall]

Cousins has no fundamentals at all. He was a type of player that just big boy out muscled everybody in high school.

[TheTruth11]

Wall = above average speed. But nothing exceptional. Not even close to being as fast as Rose.

Wall = nice hopps. His vertical will test out at between 35 and 38 inches. Not on the level of Rose.

Wall = looks to be fairly quick but not even close to being as quick as Rose.

Wall = decent "first step" but there are few "first steps" in the game as explosive as Rose's. Advantage Rose.

Wall = although Wall will get stronger in time. As Doc Rivers said, "Rose has that natural 'power speed' and an exceptionally strong body with exceptional body control". Stength advantage Rose.

Wall = nice handles. But not quite on the level of Rose.

Wall = good scorer. Better than Rose.

Wall = fair shooter. Both need improvement but I would give the advantage to Wall.

Wall = very good vision. Not quite as good as Rose.

Wall = same height as Rose. But Wall is slightly longer. Rose has a 6'8" wingspan. Wall looks like he might have a 6'9" or 10" wingspan.

Wall = looks like he has decent defense. Rose has tremendously improved his defense this year. I would rate this one an even.

Wall = there are reports of attitude problems. Hopefully he has turned the corner on that and has matured.

All in all, Wall should be a great player. Rose is superior athletically but then again, like Jay Bilas said, "Rose is an athletic freak".

Wall will be a top 1 or 2 draft pick depending upon team needs. He is a better scorer than Rose. Rose is more explosive.

.......................

[liljohnnywall]

Wall = above average speed. But nothing exceptional. Not even close to being as fast as Rose.

Wall = nice hopps. His vertical will test out at between 35 and 38 inches. Not on the level of Rose.

Wall = looks to be fairly quick but not even close to be as quick as Rose.

Wall = decent "first step" but there are few "first steps" in the game as explosive as Rose's. Advantage Rose.

Wall = although Wall will get stronger in time. As Doc Rivers said, "Rose has that natural 'power speed' exceptionally strong body and body control". Stength advantage Rose.

Wall = decent handles. But nothing exceptional. Not on the level of Rose.

Wall = good scorer. Better than Rose.

Wall = fair shooter. Both need improvement but I would give the advantage to Wall.

Wall = very good vision. Not quite as good as Rose.

Wall = same height as Rose. But Wall is slightly longer. Rose has a 6'8" wingspan. Wall looks like he might have a 6'9" or 10" wingspan.

Wall = looks like he has decent defense. Rose has tremendously improved his defense this year. I would rate this one an even.

Wall = there are reports of attitude problems. Hopefully he has turned the corner on that and has matured.

All in all, Wall should be a great player. Rose is superior athletically but then again, like Jay Bilas said, "Rose is an athletic freak".

Wall will be a top 1 or 2 draft pick depending upon team needs. He is a better scorer than Rose. Rose is more explosive.

.......................


Wall is faster than Rose by a mile.

[rknine15]

Wall is faster(better first step), has better handles and court vision than Rose. Rose is stronger, more athletic and has a better half court game.

[Batman]

Wall did not impress me against UNC. He struggles to score mightly in halfcourt. He doesn't trust his jumper at all. When it came down to crunch time he wasn't making plays. He is an above average passer nothing special. Nets fans if you think this guy is going to turn your franchise around or is the " Messiah" your kidding yourself. He is not a franchise player. I think he would be a great 2nd option, and be the most effective when he has an elite SG that can shoot the 3 ball. I think he would be at his best if he had Danny Granger, Gilbert Arenas, OJ Mayo type of elite scorer right next to him in the backcourt. Right now he is nothing more than a glorified Russell Westbrook.

[AlThornton]

Wall did not impress me against UNC. He struggles to score mightly in halfcourt. He doesn't trust his jumper at all. When it came down to crunch time he wasn't making plays. He is an above average passer nothing special. Nets fans if you think this guy is going to turn your franchise around or is the " Messiah" your kidding yourself. He is not a franchise player. I think he would be a great 2nd option, and be the most effective when he has an elite SG that can shoot the 3 ball. I think he would be at his best if he had Danny Granger, Gilbert Arenas, OJ Mayo type of elite scorer right next to him in the backcourt. Right now he is nothing more than a glorified Russell Westbrook.

and that's a bad thing? Right now Russell is one of the better young PG's in the league and has great advanced statistics. Granted advanced statistics aren't everything but it shows how much of an impact a certain player has on the team. Westbrook is averaging 16/7/5 on a winning team.

Sure he has weaknesses like turnovers and playing out of control, but he causes so many match up problems when he penetrates in the lane, and gets bigs in foul trouble.

[TheTruth11]

Wall is faster than Rose by a mile.

liljohnnywall..... People don't realize how fast Rose is. When he tested out at the NBA pre-draft camp, he was dealing with knee tendonitis.... AND STILL HAD ONE OF THE FASTEST TIMES AT THE CAMP.



To give you are an idea of Rose's speed, this ariticle was taken from SLAM MAGAZINE:

“Lebron James ran a 4.2 40 yd dash in his book. Nobody on the list other than Iverson and Rose can do that. Unlike 40-yard dashes in football where athletes start from a three-point stance, basketball players start the 20-meter dash (65 feet, seven inches) from a natural, upright position. The fastest time in the field was recorded by junior-to-be Derrick Rose of Simeon High in Chicago. The 6-foot-2, 188-pound Rose covered 20 meters in a blazing 2.65 seconds, .18 seconds faster than the second best score turned in by 6-foot-6 Isaiah Dahlman (2.83 seconds). Thats olympic timed speed and the timer was electronic so it is accurate!”




There is no way that Wall is as fast as Rose. Few humans are.


..............

[goldenryan]

i need help on this song i'm writing
johnny wall...johnny wall....johnny wall
number 1 pick over all.. johnny wall

[brandonislegend]

John Wall is faster than Derrick Rose WITH the ball simply because he is faster AND he is a WAY better ball handler.

[purple32gold]

[QUOTE=TheTruth11]liljohnnywall..... People don't realize how fast Rose is. When he tested out at the NBA pre-draft camp, he was dealing with knee tendonitis.... AND STILL HAD ONE OF THE FASTEST TIMES AT THE CAMP.



To give you are an idea of Rose's speed, this ariticle was taken from SLAM MAGAZINE:

[brandonislegend]

i dont believe that. i dont think people realize how fast that is....2.65 seconds for 20m? thats absurd

when youre using SLAM magizine as a reference....what do you expect.

[Batman]

i dont believe that. i dont think people realize how fast that is....2.65 seconds for 20m? thats absurd

The truth i hate to burst you bubble but here are the facts. I love Derrick Roses, he is my favorite player, but he isn't that fast. that Absurd speed. LeBron can't run a 4.2 don't kid yourself. Chris Johnson run the fastest time at the combine which was 4.25. An Olympic sprinter run a 4.4 that tried to play football.


Facts:

Derrick Rose 3/4 NBA court sprint: is 3.05 seconds.
Players who recorded a faster time:
Eric Gordon 3.01, he as had a faster agility time than Rose. Both of them recorded a 40 in vertical.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=2008&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=2&sort=14

[Mateo]

i don't know anything about his running times or anything like that. I just know that John Wall is a way better all-around freshman PG than Derrick Rose. Maybe even way way better. He's always a great distributor, not just an explosive scorer (even though he is that). He has at least 3 highlight reel plays every freaking game.

[konex]

He reminds me of Mayo but the last thing the Nets needs is another pG or combo guard :roll:

[Mateo]

He reminds me of Mayo but the last thing the Nets needs is another pG or combo guard :roll:

Wall is 6'4" so he can easily play SG in the nba. Wade played PG his first year and has a similar body as Wall. I think Wall could be that type of player, actually Wade is the guy he most reminds me of. But I think he has more "natural" PG skills than Wade (which is to say that Wade is a very good passer but had to develop it).

[magnax1]

Future Utah Jazz starting line up
PG-Deron Williams
SG-John Wall
SF-Wesley Matthews
PF-Paul Milsap
C-Memeht Okur
Its happening, and yes I am setting myself up for dissapointment.

[Mateo]

Future Utah Jazz starting line up
PG-Deron Williams
SG-John Wall
SF-Wesley Matthews
PF-Paul Milsap
C-Memeht Okur
Its happening, and yes I am setting myself up for dissapointment.

i think wall would work better with a shooting/scorer PG.

[magnax1]

i think wall would work better with a shooting/scorer PG.
He might be, but hes going to the Jazz, and they already have at minimum, the third best point guard in the league. So, he'll be playing shooting guard in the NBA.

[Mateo]

He might be, but hes going to the Jazz, and they already have at minimum, the third best point guard in the league. So, he'll be playing shooting guard in the NBA.

I think he should play SG in the NBA, but not with Williams.

[magnax1]

I think he should play SG in the NBA, but not with Williams.
Then would the Jazz play him as there sixth man for a while? Hes bound to start sometime though.

[Mateo]

He doesn't belong on the Jazz. He's not a good fit. Any team with a scoring minded PG.

[magnax1]

He doesn't belong on the Jazz. He's not a good fit. Any team with a scoring minded PG.
Blasphemy. Hes going to the Jazz, and everyone knows it.
Anyway, it'd be pointless for him to play with a scoring point, because he is one. Thats like saying Allen Iverson (who really is a shooting guard, but...) should play with Marbury.

[Mateo]

Blasphemy. Hes going to the Jazz, and everyone knows it.
Anyway, it'd be pointless for him to play with a scoring point, because he is one. Thats like saying Allen Iverson (who really is a shooting guard, but...) should play with Marbury.

Wall is a scoring AND passing guard. he is like Wade. Wade has worked well with shooting PGs.

[magnax1]

Wall is a scoring AND passing guard. he is like Wade. Wade has worked well with shooting PGs.
Wade works well with scoring points because he needs the ball in his hands non stop. Its the same reason that Jordan worked with paxson/Harper so well, and Kobe works so well with Fisher. Wall needs the ball in his hands, but he'd work well in Sloan's sytem, he may take a while to get used to it (Williams did, and he needed (past tense) the ball in his hands to play well, but he got used to it) but he'll get used to it. He will have to since hes going there.

[Batman]

He reminds me of Mayo but the last thing the Nets needs is another pG or combo guard :roll:

I don't see that much Mayo. They both can create their own offense except Mayo can do it in transition, and in the halfcourt. Mayo can the potential to average 30 points a game in this league. Wall is will struggle to even average 18 points in this league. He is not Wade either, Wade can take over a game scoring bucket after bucket. The fact is this kid is overhyped and over rated. His best comparison is easily a Russell Wesbrook that shoots a high FG%. Wall is going to have a stat line of 15-18 points 5rebounds 7-8 assists 2 steals and 4 turovers for most of his career, similar to Russell Westbrook.
That's no knock on the kid Westbrook is a future all star. I am just glad that watching him in person assured me he isn't or never will be better than Derrick Rose.

[YAH trick YAH]

Wall is not a shooting guard until he gets a jump shot. And the Wall gimmick account is :roll:

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

chad ford just said john wall is the most athletic player. He is an idiot.

[LebrickJames84']

They play Uconn tonight. Kentucky has by far the toughest schedule in the country

[liljohnnywall]

John Wall is taking over right now against UCONN single handedly keeping UK in the game. :bowdown:

[liljohnnywall]

Wall is giving us a lebron like performance right now

[Batman]

John Wall is pretty damn good, I don't think he is better than Rose though

[visirale]

Wall is giving us a lebron like performance right now
Except he hit his shot when the game was on the line.

[Samurai Swoosh]

John Wall is pretty damn good, I don't think he is better than Rose though
He is ... and thats coming from a Rose fan.

[Mark Madsen]

slightly bigger/stronger, less athletic, more skilled version of rose ...

[Samurai Swoosh]

slightly bigger/stronger, less athletic, more skilled version of rose ...
Wall is at worst as athletic as Rose, and at best slightly more athletic. He can jump off either feet, or both. Throw down with his left hand just as well as he can with his right. He's sick ...

[Mark Madsen]

Wall is at worst as athletic as Rose, and at best slightly more athletic. He can jump off either feet, or both. Throw down with his left hand just as well as he can with his right. He's sick ...


he seems to be faster/quicker but doesn't get up like rose ... still a sick athlete .. and very similar to rose

[mikeslovak]

How about this for a Nets lineup next year:

PG - John Wall
SG - C. Lee
SF - Lebron
PF - Bosh (Sign and trade for Harris over the summer)
C - Lopez

Backups

PG - K. Dooling
SG - CDR
SF - TWill, Jarvis Hayes
PF - YI (Dallas Pick)
C - ?

[Batman]

How about this for a Nets lineup next year:

PG - John Wall
SG - C. Lee
SF - Lebron
PF - Bosh (Sign and trade for Harris over the summer)
C - Lopez

Backups

PG - K. Dooling
SG - CDR
SF - TWill, Jarvis Hayes
PF - YI (Dallas Pick)
C - ?

one can only dream keep dreaming.

[Maga_1]

Auah .. dreams

[phoenix18]

Why would the Nets pick John Wall? I dont get this at all. Falling all over a dude.

[Samurai Swoosh]

he seems to be faster/quicker but doesn't get up like rose ... still a sick athlete .. and very similar to rose
He can get off the ground as quick as Rose and probably just as high. Both are sick athletes.

[plowking]

John Wall looks absolutely sick. Looks quicker and seems to jump higher than both Rose and Wade.

[Samurai Swoosh]

John Wall looks absolutely sick. Looks quicker and seems to jump higher than both Rose and Wade.
Yeah and he already has a better jumper than Rose who is 2 years into his pro career. Also seems to be a smarter person and player compared to Rose, and knowns WHEN to turn on the takeover switch in games. See last night against UCONN for example.

[plowking]

Yeah, only problem seems to be turnovers, though I haven't watched many of his games. Where do most of his turnovers come from?

[Samurai Swoosh]

Yeah, only problem seems to be turnovers, though I haven't watched many of his games. Where do most of his turnovers come from?
Alot of play makers can rack up turnovers ... so to me its a non issue. That stuff decreases with experience. I mean he's a freshman in the begining of his rookie campaign. Like the other night he had 6 TOs but he had 6 steals that basically negate the loss of possessions. And like NFL quarterbacks with interceptions, the TO isn't always the playmaker's fault.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

Wall isn't as good as advertised. He has shown me nothing, but wreckless drives in the open court.

[madmax]

I sense a bust in the making LOL...that kid doesn't impress me

[Brandon Roy]

Wall isn't as good as advertised. He has shown me nothing, but wreckless drives in the open court.
Yeah, he's just way better than Mayo was when he was in college. No biggie :confusedshrug:

[DC Zephyrs]

John Wall is Dwyane Wade V2. He's seriously going to be that good. The resemblence is scary.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

Yeah, he's just way better than Mayo was when he was in college. No biggie :confusedshrug:

Numberwise no. Mayo was 20 5 5 in college shooting 40% 3 pt line and 82% FT Wall is 19 4 7 not shooting 40% 3pt and not shooting 82% FT line. All his points come on fastbreaks, he can barely score in the halfcourt. Did you see how lucky he go in the Uconn game at the end with his wild spin move to a jumper that he luckily unintentional banked it in. Mayo would have made that nice pretty rainbow.

[WuTangWizard]

Numberwise no. Mayo was 20 5 5 in college shooting 40% 3 pt line and 82% FT Wall is 19 4 7 not shooting 40% 3pt and not shooting 82% FT line. All his points come on fastbreaks, he can barely score in the halfcourt. Did you see how lucky he go in the Uconn game at the end with his wild spin move to a jumper that he luckily unintentional banked it in. Mayo would have made that nice pretty rainbow.
You are an idiot

Mayo didn't average 20 5 5. He averaged 20 4 3, with more assists than turnovers, only 1.5 steals a game, 44% shooting and 80.3% from the line.

Wall averages 19 4 and 7, with 3 steals a game, 56% shooting, and 80.7% from the line, WHICH IS HIGHER THAN MAYO.

Next time get your facts straight f@g :banghead:

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

You are an idiot

Mayo didn't average 20 5 5. He averaged 20 4 3, with more assists than turnovers, only 1.5 steals a game, 44% shooting and 80.3% from the line.

Wall averages 19 4 and 7, with 3 steals a game, 56% shooting, and 80.7% from the line, WHICH IS HIGHER THAN MAYO.



Next time get your facts straight f@g :banghead:

Wall has played 7 games this year, give him time for his stats to come down ala Brandon Jennings of this year. Alll Wall can do is drive the basketball, if I was on the other team I would dare him to shoot because the guy can't score in the halfcourt. Mayo>Wall U Mad?

[ZHAKIDD532]

Please let the Nets get this guy. John Wall and Brook Lopez just dominates for about a decade and a half.

[liljohnnywall]

OJMamba, Mayo is going to be an all star he is a good player , he just isn't on Wall's level nobody is .

Wall is trying to take down Indiana right now.

[DeuceWallaces]

Wow! Just posterized some dude on IU.

[liljohnnywall]

wall just posetered this fool

[brandonislegend]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fCQpCzwWSE

wow

[brandonislegend]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6AR1LUxhZo

[poido123]

I think for a player to develop into something truly special, it will come down to desire, and ability to grasp an allround game...There's no doubt that Wall is talented, but I want to see his jumpshot and basketball IQ catch up to his athleticism, before I start thinking of him becoming a superstar one day in the NBA...It may take something like Jordan had back in his college career, when he hit a big shot to win the NCAA championship, for Wall to become something special, who knows, one thing is for sure, he is exciting to watch...:cheers:

[liljohnnywall]

know i am late but wall had 16 assists the other day i believe which is now a UK record.

[SLY]

Number 1 pick to the NETS !!!!

[Underballer]

Fantastic player! He's living my dream

[TROLL_HUNTER]

Wall looks good but its funny how mad people can get at his performances against high-schoolers who will never likely make it to the pro competition. just have a look overseas and see what Rubio is doing. Hes leading his team to destroying everybody else, both in the local competition and in Europe. He has stepped up massively and hitting lot of 3-pointers now with good % aside his unmatchable playmaking skills. should this guy be in the NBA already and nobody would mention Jennings, Rose and the ones of their kind. If I were to pick Today id send my marketing manager to brainwash this guy and have him tied up for the next draft. Seriously, just watch this guy live.no youtube highlights. his madurity and wisdom on the court is something unreal.

[liljohnnywall]

Wall looks good but its funny how mad people can get at his performances against high-schoolers who will never likely make it to the pro competition. just have a look overseas and see what Rubio is doing. Hes leading his team to destroying everybody else, both in the local competition and in Europe. He has stepped up massively and hitting lot of 3-pointers now with good % aside his unmatchable playmaking skills. should this guy be in the NBA already and nobody would mention Jennings, Rose and the ones of their kind. If I were to pick Today id send my marketing manager to brainwash this guy and have him tied up for the next draft. Seriously, just watch this guy live.no youtube highlights. his madurity and wisdom on the court is something unreal.

are you trying to put Wall and Rubio in the same sentence?

[Andrei89]

This kid has some potential

But someone above said he can jump higher than wade? Whaaaat are you crezy?

And even if he can does he have the strength to demolish Varejao the way wade does? :D

[thejumpa]

John Wall has no hops. Long arms and great ball control, though. We'll see how he does in the NBA soon enough.....

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

John Wall has no hops. Long arms and great ball control, though. We'll see how he does in the NBA soon enough.....

he has hops but he doesn't jump higher inch by inch than Derrick Rose 40 inch vertical or OJ Mayo's 41 inch vertical. He has long arms and knowns how to use them to dunk. If he elects to do the combine he will record a 36-37:cheers: inch vertical I can almost guarentee it.

[TheTruth11]

he has hops but he doesn't jump higher inch by inch than Derrick Rose 40 inch vertical or OJ Mayo's 41 inch vertical. He has long arms and knowns how to use them to dunk. If he elects to do the combine he will record a 36-37:cheers: inch vertical I can almost guarentee it.


Derrick Rose has jumped higher than 40 inches. That is his average, everyday jump. But in the allstar game last year, he jumped so high his head was inches from the rim. On Rose's best jumps, he gets up anywhere from 42 to 44 inches.

Also, Rose's standstill jump of 36 inches is ridiculous. There are not many players in all of basketball that have a standstill jump of 36 inches. Maybe 1 or 2 more can do that. Explosive!!!

John Wall is a lowrider. Not that he cant jump but he is nowhere close to Rose. Wall jumps maybe 34 to 36 inches on his best jumps. His long arms, however, help him alot. He reminds me of DWade in that respect. DWade has around a 35 inch vert, but has close to a 6'11" wingspan. As far as leaping is concerned, Wall reminds me of a smaller version of Wade.

........

[rknine15]

IMO Wall has a 36.5 vertical leap.... the same as Westbrook iirc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6AR1LUxhZo

:eek: On the first dunk his head is clearly over the bottom of the backboard.

[rknine15]

You are an idiot

Mayo didn't average 20 5 5. He averaged 20 4 3, with more assists than turnovers, only 1.5 steals a game, 44% shooting and 80.3% from the line.

Wall averages 19 4 and 7, with 3 steals a game, 56% shooting, and 80.7% from the line, WHICH IS HIGHER THAN MAYO.

Next time get your facts straight f@g :banghead:
owned

[Nets fan 93]

If the Nets dont get #1 i am going to :cry:

Harris is GARBAGE!

[YAH trick YAH]

IMO Wall has a 36.5 vertical leap.... the same as Westbrook iirc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6AR1LUxhZo

:eek: On the first dunk his head is clearly over the bottom of the backboard.

I think its just the angle

[iggy>]

oj mayo is not that good of an athlete

[TROLL_HUNTER]

are you trying to put Wall and Rubio in the same sentence?


Not only that. Rubio is killing his competition amongst PROS (you fail to understand that) Wall is killing it amongst AMATEURS. This is the real point. JW looks very good and I respect you consider him the next great thing and so on but hes no more than a prospect TODAY. he can show off every game cos hes playing against scrubs in a daily basis. by scrubs i mean players who will never be pro. However, Rubio has been doing practically the same in the pro scenario for years already. That you consider both things at the same level is just laughable. For your info, Rubio's team has only lost 1 game in the whole season and is destroying everyone else since hes playing for them. when u see Wall you see a guy who makes great individual performances whereas Rubio take the whole team, collectively, to a new level. This is one of the most important things in a true PG and also unnoticed for those stats-lovers and the ones with no understanding of the game whatsoever

[liljohnnywall]

John Wall wildcats are in a fight right now down 2 points against Georgia. Wall is going to win the game for UK as usual.

[Dresta]

Derrick Rose has jumped higher than 40 inches. That is his average, everyday jump. But in the allstar game last year, he jumped so high his head was inches from the rim. On Rose's best jumps, he gets up anywhere from 42 to 44 inches.

Also, Rose's standstill jump of 36 inches is ridiculous. There are not many players in all of basketball that have a standstill jump of 36 inches. Maybe 1 or 2 more can do that. Explosive!!!

John Wall is a lowrider. Not that he cant jump but he is nowhere close to Rose. Wall jumps maybe 34 to 36 inches on his best jumps. His long arms, however, help him alot. He reminds me of DWade in that respect. DWade has around a 35 inch vert, but has close to a 6'11" wingspan. As far as leaping is concerned, Wall reminds me of a smaller version of Wade.

........
I'm sensing a lot of bull in this post.

[rknine15]

I think its just the angle
maybe

here's another dunk.... it's close

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GF6sNtbALI

34"-37" vertical

[Dresta]

That's ****ing stupid, you can't judge someones vert with any degree of accuracy, of a clip of an alley-oop dunk. He's hardly gonna jump above the ball now is he?

[rknine15]

That's ****ing stupid, you can't judge someones vert with any degree of accuracy, of a clip of an alley-oop dunk. He's hardly gonna jump above the ball now is he?
Why?:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[liljohnnywall]

john wall is doing work right now

[Juges8932]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4CbQGBbUOw

The moves he makes from the 1:10 mark to around the 1:30 mark are absolutely amazing. This kid's gonna be great.

That's pretty damn impressive, lol.

[liljohnnywall]

That's pretty damn impressive, lol.

he is going to be the best pg for the next 15 years in the NBA

[Big.Nasty]

I just say two Words: TRIPBLE DOUBLE!

:cheers:

[Pimpdaddy311991]

We should have a John Wall smilie tht does hes dance hahaha

[liljohnnywall]

27-2. looks like wall is the front runner for player of the year.

[GOBB]

27-2. looks like wall is the front runner for player of the year.

OSU Evan Turner 19.3ppg 9.3pg 5.9apg 1.9spg 1bpg shooting 54% and OSU lost 3gms when he was injured. It'll be interesting to see how this award is given out.

[wang4three]

Yes, I'd probably give Evan Turner CPOY as well.

[TheTruth11]

This is from ESPN's David Thorpe and his 2/24/10 "Chat Wrap":

jim (CLE)


are you aware that Lebrons PER is best ever right now?

David Thorpe (12:55 PM)


Indeed.

Mo Cheeks (Chicago)


Do you really believe that John Wall's athleticism is greater that D. Rose's. If so, can you please explain?

David Thorpe (12:56 PM)


I don't think I ever wrote that. Rose is enormously athletic.

LJ (LA)


And anyone who has read David Thorpe's column throughout the last couple of years knows that Thorpe often gets criticized for not giving DRose his due.... and for pumping up Lopez over Rose because Lopez is a center. But even Thorpe had to admit that Rose is superior to Wall athletically.

Just a little nugget for the hater, liljohnnywall.

[liljohnnywall]

Turner is not on Wall's level. Wall is the best player since LeBron James. Turner team has lost 9-10 games. Wall team has lost 2.

[Papaya Petee]

Turner is not on Wall's level. Wall is the best player since LeBron James. Turner team has lost 9-10 games. Wall team has lost 2.

Lol and Ohio State lost 3 games while Turner was out. Individually Turner>>Wall right now.

[liljohnnywall]

a must read

http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/4/15/1375358/why-john-wall-is-the-1-pick


John Wall is the single best athletic specimen the league has seen since Dwight Howard or LeBron James.


We all thought Derrick Rose was an athletic gift from God, and one year later the basketball deities bless us with someone who arguably blows him out of the water


No matter how you judge athleticism, Wall isn't just off the charts - he's past the moon


specimen

[GOBB]

They say that about every hyped up draft pick. Nothing new I havent heard. Same people typing those things are either nowhere to be found when he flops, doesnt live up to potential or they are bashing the kid. Few of those acknowledge they were being a bit overboard with the hype flow. I wonder if John Wall is aware of little kids on ISH with usernames, avatars and "the messiah" dedicated to him?


Turner is not on Wall's level. Wall is the best player since LeBron James. Turner team has lost 9-10 games. Wall team has lost 2.

Who won CPOY?

[wang4three]

Pretty sure Rose and Wall are comparable in athleticism. Rose and Lebron are too.

[Jailblazers7]

To say Wall blows Rose out of the water athletically is crazy.

[liljohnnywall]

They say that about every hyped up draft pick. Nothing new I havent heard. Same people typing those things are either nowhere to be found when he flops, doesnt live up to potential or they are bashing the kid. Few of those acknowledge they were being a bit overboard with the hype flow. I wonder if John Wall is aware of little kids on ISH with usernames, avatars and "the messiah" dedicated to him?



Who won CPOY?

That award doesn't mean anything. Tyler Hansborough and Emeka Okafor won it for crying out loud. I'm sure John Wall glances at his fans from time to time all across the internet.

[Buffalobraves]

Turner is not on Wall's level. Wall is the best player since LeBron James. Turner team has lost 9-10 games. Wall team has lost 2.

Jon Diebler < Wall

William Buford < Eric Bledsoe

Evan Turner > Darius Miller

David Lighty < Patrick Patterson

Dallas Lauderdale < Demarcus Cousions




Wall played with 4 other first round picks on his team. Nobody else on Turners team is going to do anything in the NBA. You can't compare wins when you are comparing the two of them.

[RealKnowledge]

He will be a poor mans derrick rose with maybe some passing ability

[Go Getter]

He doesn't seem like a leader or a point guard to me.

He averaged 4 turnovers this season and let some kid from WV who I've never heard of before shake and bake the shit out of him in the tourney lmao.

I think he's a bit over hyped....Lebron would have DOMINATED in college and Wall didn't.

Please stop comparing Wall to Rose to Bron to whomever....it's silly....especially since Bron and Rose are proven vets.

Some players/coaches/scouts even think Cousins and Evans are going to be better pros than Wall and they have a point....Wall turns the ball over too much and he's not spectacular without the ball or in half court sets.

[Kingwillball]

To me Derrick Rose was Better in College..especially the Tourney getting to Finals..right now Rose is ALOT better since he has obviously added a Jumpshot to the Arsenal. Wall has a Ways to go to be on Rose's level and will never be on Bron Level obviously.

[GOBB]

GoGetter, the same thing happening to John Wall was happening before Rose even got drafted or played 1 game in the NBA. Same with Lebron. You could nitpick the hell out of Derrick Rose game just as you attempted to do with Wall. Same for Bron even tho he was coming straight from HS. They all were unproven players getting compared to vets. Lets atleast act like we know the process here. It'll happen next draft and the one after that.


That award doesn't mean anything. Tyler Hansborough and Emeka Okafor won it for crying out loud. I'm sure John Wall glances at his fans from time to time all across the internet.

You said Wall would win it. He didnt. Now the award you said Wall had wrapped up is meaningless. But had he won it? It would mean something. :oldlol:

[Jailblazers7]

He doesn't seem like a leader or a point guard to me.

He averaged 4 turnovers this season and let some kid from WV who I've never heard of before shake and bake the shit out of him in the tourney lmao.

I think he's a bit over hyped....Lebron would have DOMINATED in college and Wall didn't.

Please stop comparing Wall to Rose to Bron to whomever....it's silly....especially since Bron and Rose are proven vets.

Some players/coaches/scouts even think Cousins and Evans are going to be better pros than Wall and they have a point....Wall turns the ball over too much and he's not spectacular without the ball or in half court sets.

You tell people to stop comparing Wall and Lebron right after comparing Lebron's hypothetical impact to Wall's real one? The kid played a hell of a season and made some turnovers that you would expect from an 18/19 year old kid who doesn't fully understand the pace of the game and plays too fast. He got shook once in the tourney? Wow I didn't know that could ever happen. Just last night Deng got Lebron off balance with a jab step and buried a jumper in his eye. People get beat on defense.

[liljohnnywall]

Past relatively hyped players from high school in the past 5 years

Greg Oden
OJ Mayo
Michael Beasley
Derrick Rose
Ricky Rubio
Brandon Jennings

Wall is going to surpass all of them his rookie season just watch and take notes. He might even average a double double right away.

[wang4three]

Past relatively hyped players from high school in the past 5 years

Greg Oden
OJ Mayo
Michael Beasley
Derrick Rose
Ricky Rubio
Brandon Jennings

Wall is going to surpass all of them his rookie season just watch and take notes. He might even average a double double right away.

Kevin Durant?

[Go Getter]

You tell people to stop comparing Wall and Lebron right after comparing Lebron's hypothetical impact to Wall's real one? The kid played a hell of a season and made some turnovers that you would expect from an 18/19 year old kid who doesn't fully understand the pace of the game and plays too fast. He got shook once in the tourney? Wow I didn't know that could ever happen. Just last night Deng got Lebron off balance with a jab step and buried a jumper in his eye. People get beat on defense.


Dude, I didn't compare Bron to Wall I said I think Bron would have dominated in college. Do you disagree? I don't think that in itself is a direct comparison of the two players but I get where you're going.

He didn't get shook once he got handled and didn't step up in crunch time....that was more telling than him getting beat [off the dribble] by a guy that is far inferior to him....burying a jumper on someone could be luck.....blowing by them isn't most times.

[Go Getter]

GoGetter, the same thing happening to John Wall was happening before Rose even got drafted or played 1 game in the NBA. Same with Lebron. You could nitpick the hell out of Derrick Rose game just as you attempted to do with Wall. Same for Bron even tho he was coming straight from HS. They all were unproven players getting compared to vets. Lets atleast act like we know the process here. It'll happen next draft and the one after that.



You said Wall would win it. He didnt. Now the award you said Wall had wrapped up is meaningless. But had he won it? It would mean something. :oldlol:


And if you read my posts I nitpick the hell out of Rose's game too.

His handle needs tightening
He needs to be more aggressive on Defense
his 3 point shot needs major work
he over dribbles a lot


Lerbon was a slam dunk prospect. [so was Melo, Durant, and CP3]

Rose wasn't

Wall isn't either

I'm just sick of hearing people compare Wall to my favorite player is all.

With Griffin, Cousins, Johnson, and Turner, Wall has a pretty venerable rookie class that he must compete with next year.....I haven't really seen much of Wall sans highlights but the few games I watched he didn't really impress me.

*I have been wrong about players before.

[magnax1]

Wall is quite far ahead of guys like Rose coming out of college. He just gets it more. He works to get his team mates involved, hes super clutch, he just understands what being a point guard is about. Hes not really that bad of a jump shooter either. He has 0 range on his J, but from free throw line in hes pretty good.

[Go Getter]

Wall is quite far ahead of guys like Rose coming out of college. He just gets it more. He works to get his team mates involved, hes super clutch, he just understands what being a point guard is about. Hes not really that bad of a jump shooter either. He has 0 range on his J, but from free throw line in hes pretty good.


WAIT A MINUTE....so Rose leads Memphis [who had him and CDR basically] to the title game while going against future pros like DJ Augustin, Mario Chalmers, Darren Collison, Russell Westbrook, etc.....while Wall leads a bunch of blue chippers and lottery picks nowhere and Rose is behind Wall out of college?


Mind you Wall is a year older than your average true freshman.

[magnax1]

WAIT A MINUTE....so Rose leads Memphis [who had him and CDR basically] to the title game while going against future pros like DJ Augustin, Mario Chalmers, Darren Collison, Russell Westbrook, etc.....while Wall leads a bunch of blue chippers and lottery picks nowhere and Rose is behind Wall out of college?


Mind you Wall is a year older than your average true freshman.
So, because Rose won more.... he is better? Wall is better, get over it. Better defender, passer, the only thing I'd take Rose for is getting inside in the half court in scoring.

[Go Getter]

So, because Rose won more.... he is better? Wall is better, get over it. Better defender, passer, the only thing I'd take Rose for is getting inside in the half court in scoring.


No....the fact that Rose [at the same point in his career] was more successful with less talent around him leads me to believe that Wall isn't clearly better than Rose like some think.

And Wall's 6 assists to 4 turnovers tell me he's not a good a passer as people say he is.

Have you seen Rose play this year? He's been awesome.

You guys are setting the bar a little high for Wall which isn't fair to the kid.


He has to get ROY [pretty much unanimously] and lead his team to the playoffs in his first two years and make the all-star team.

Pretty tough feats there....can he do it? Maybe. But the fact that some of you guys are so sure that he;'s the best thing since Lebron is sickening and Stan-ish.

[liljohnnywall]

No....the fact that Rose [at the same point in his career] was more successful with less talent around him leads me to believe that Wall isn't clearly better than Rose like some think.

And Wall's 6 assists to 4 turnovers tell me he's not a good a passer as people say he is.

Have you seen Rose play this year? He's been awesome.

You guys are setting the bar a little high for Wall which isn't fair to the kid.


He has to get ROY [pretty much unanimously] and lead his team to the playoffs in his first two years and make the all-star team.

Pretty tough feats there....can he do it? Maybe. But the fact that some of you guys are so sure that he;'s the best thing since Lebron is sickening and Stan-ish.

This guy is a known Rose Stan. Getting to the playoffs and loosing first round is pointless, especially if your on the verge of being swept like Rose is right now. Better off entering the lottery getting a chance for John Wall.

[brandonislegend]

John Wall is a better PROSPECT coming out of college than Derrick Rose.

[Go Getter]

This guy is a known Rose Stan. Getting to the playoffs and loosing first round is pointless, especially if your on the verge of being swept like Rose is right now. Better off entering the lottery getting a chance for John Wall.


Spoken like a true loser.


I don't deny being a Rose fan but unlike you I can seperate my posts with my admiration for my team.

[Go Getter]

John Wall is a better PROSPECT coming out of college than Derrick Rose.


for what reasons pray tell?

[BlackMambaLivin]

John Wall is a more hyped PROSPECT coming out of college than Derrick Rose.
Fixed. Drose lead his team to championship game and lost in overtime. Wall has the more stacked team and couldnt go anywhere

[magnax1]

No....the fact that Rose [at the same point in his career] was more successful with less talent around him leads me to believe that Wall isn't clearly better than Rose like some think.

And Wall's 6 assists to 4 turnovers tell me he's not a good a passer as people say he is.

Have you seen Rose play this year? He's been awesome.

You guys are setting the bar a little high for Wall which isn't fair to the kid.


He has to get ROY [pretty much unanimously] and lead his team to the playoffs in his first two years and make the all-star team.

Pretty tough feats there....can he do it? Maybe. But the fact that some of you guys are so sure that he;'s the best thing since Lebron is sickening and Stan-ish.
If you watch Wall, you'd know hes a great passer. He doesn't have to get ROY, he doesn't have to make an all star team, and he doesn't have to make the playoffs twice. HE could do none of that and still be the better player. Once again, Rose is not really a point guard. Hes basically a 6 foot SG, and therefore it would be very hard for him to make as big of an impact as wall at the pg position. Wall is the better player, I expect Blake to get ROY but I expect wall to play very well with about 15 points and 7 assists.

[mrhoopfan]

Fixed. Drose lead his team to championship game and lost in overtime. Wall has the more stacked team and couldnt go anywhere

I will start off by saying that Derrick rose is fantastic. Wall will be very good but this isn't a valid reason for why he won't be better than Rose. Tyrus Thomas Thomas lead his team to Championship as well, Lamarcus Aldridge didn't but we all know who is the better player

[Go Getter]

If you watch Wall, you'd know hes a great passer. He doesn't have to get ROY, he doesn't have to make an all star team, and he doesn't have to make the playoffs twice. HE could do none of that and still be the better player. Once again, Rose is not really a point guard. Hes basically a 6 foot SG, and therefore it would be very hard for him to make as big of an impact as wall at the pg position. Wall is the better player, I expect Blake to get ROY but I expect wall to play very well with about 15 points and 7 assists.


1. I never said Wall is a bad passer I said he is turnover prone as evidenced by his 4 giveaways per game. I think Walll is a far more creative passer than Rose and has very good vision and throws solid lobs on a regular basis.

2. So Wall could not accomplish as much as Rose in college, and have a worse two years in the league than Rose and still end up being the better player? I guess....I mean I won't say it's impossible but I don't know if Wall is going to change the game like everyone thinks.

3. Whether you or any other Rose haters like it or not Derrick Rose is a point guard. He shoots so much because we ask him to. Get that through your thick skulls.

[Jailblazers7]

Dude, I didn't compare Bron to Wall I said I think Bron would have dominated in college. Do you disagree? I don't think that in itself is a direct comparison of the two players but I get where you're going.

He didn't get shook once he got handled and didn't step up in crunch time....that was more telling than him getting beat [off the dribble] by a guy that is far inferior to him....burying a jumper on someone could be luck.....blowing by them isn't most times.

I guess your just going to skip over the plays he made in crunch time during the season. His game winner in his first college game ever and his clutch play against UCONN come to mind. But its ok those don't count.

[TheTruth11]

There were a whole lot of times that I watched Kentucky and thought John Wall was just another player. Another average, everyday player. Then I would catch myself and realize it was THE "John Wall". And I am supposed to believe that he is great. Atleast thats what the hype kept telling me. But then I would say, "f*ck the hype.... my eyes don't deceive me, dude is just average".

I never saw it with this guy. Sorry. Bledsoe wowed me more. Cousins wowed me more. With Wall, I saw alot of acting and showboating but no substance. All flash but no substance. I strongly believe he will be a bust.

Not particularly athletic. Not particularly quick. Struggles in the half court because he lacks quickness. Not a great leaper. Nothing about him impresses me.

Strike that.... he may have the potential to develop into a fairly good assist man IF HE CAN STOP BEING A TURNOVER MACHINE. Again, not impressed. It is easy to average high assists if you turn the ball over just as much. :rolleyes:

[TROLL_HUNTER]

Past relatively hyped players from high school in the past 5 years

Greg Oden
OJ Mayo
Michael Beasley
Derrick Rose
Ricky Rubio
Brandon Jennings

Wall is going to surpass all of them his rookie season just watch and take notes. He might even average a double double right away.


HAHAHAHA my goodness.. this is total lack of knowledge if i ever saw such. RICKY RUBIO HYPED OUT OF THE SCHOOL? RR has been PRO for 5 years already and hes currently killing the competition overseas against grown men, some of them elite players who would have an impact in the nba and you are telling me that THE JOHN WHALL man is already better than him or others who are proven pros ? :lol you gotta be kidding me. Rubio was so outstanding at 14 / 15 y.o. that he never played against guys of his age and his IQ is trillion miles ahead of your lovely JW. From a game basics point of view , Rubio is already a mature and grown player whereas Wall is just flash and selfishness, not the best qualities for a star pg. If he went overseas as Jennings did he would be raped day in day out

Out of that list , Rose deserves to be at the top and till proven otherwise it looks like it will keep like this for a while...

[Go Getter]

I guess your just going to skip over the plays he made in crunch time during the season. His game winner in his first college game ever and his clutch play against UCONN come to mind. But its ok those don't count.


I guess you're to cross to realize that when someone is debating one side of a topic, they don't tend to support the opposition.

I do recognize the star potential of the kid. Have you not read the posts here where I praised his passing ability, vision, athleticism, and speed?

I really respect his play VS. UCONN too I think those were probably the toughest guards they faced all year.

I still liken his game/demeanor to J. Crawford....very flashy, very explosive [Wall being the more explosive of course] yet very mistake prone...I don't see him being a full time PG....I see him as a 2 guard.

I love fancy plays and flashy moves but your PG needds to make the simple/easy play most of the time.....I think Bledsoe is more of a true PG than Wall.