Second best Player in the Jordan era?

[CJ Mustard]

In the '90's when Jordan was dominating the league, who was the second best player from that era?

http://www.mkrob.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/hakeem-olajuwon.jpg

http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/7/76/KarlMaloneMVP.jpg

http://beat.bodoglife.com/wp-content/uploads/charles-barkley.jpg

http://www.nba.com/media/bulls/robinson_080520.jpg

:confusedshrug:

[1987_Lakers]

Obviously Hakeem.

[Roundball_Rock]

Obviously Hakeem.

Yeah. :confusedshrug: OP, I think 90% of people are going to say Hakeem. A more interesting thread would be to rank players 2-5 in the MJ era. We know Hakeem will go #2, but 3-5 should be interesting.

[BallersTalk]

How about some respect for The Diesel.

[ZeN]

The Dream

[elementally morale]

During which years?

In the 80s it was Bird followed by Magic or the other way round. In the early 90s it was Hakeem followed by Barkley followed by Robinson followed by Malone. In the mid-to-late 90s it was Shaq.

[mrpuente]

How about some respect for The Diesel.
how bout no.
In just nicknames alone everyone has Dream>>>Diesel

[B-Low]

How about some respect for The Diesel.

90s Hakeem > 90s Shaq

[BallersTalk]

90s Hakeem > 90s Shaq
Not from '96-'98. Really depends on what the OP is talking about when he says "Jordan era". Cause Jordan was #1 from '88 on. So then Bird/Magic would be #2's in some years. Maybe even Isiah. But if you're talking about who played the best for the largest part of the "Jordan era", then it's gotta be Karl Malone.

[craiye]

Not from '96-'98. Really depends on what the OP is talking about when he says "Jordan era". Cause Jordan was #1 from '88 on. So then Bird/Magic would be #2's in some years. Maybe even Isiah. But if you're talking about who played the best for the largest part of the "Jordan era", then it's gotta be Karl Malone.
I think most people would have agreed that Malone was #2 during the 90s. Hakeem's legacy has really expanded post retirement. While these guys were actually playing the Dream certainly wasn't considered the "easy" #2 - not by a long shot.

I'm not saying I disagree that Hakeem was the second best of the era, just pointing out that it wasn't the consensus during the time.

[robertshaw_1]

dream.
next question?

[Bano114]

Do you guys consider Patrick Ewing top 10 from 88-99?

[HylianNightmare]

hakeem

[B-Low]

Aight lemme be more clear with my opinion on it. Like people said it's really not clear when the Jordan era was. To me it started in the 90s when they started winning, so with that in mind I'll say

Early 90s = Hakeem
Late 90s = Karl Malone

Also arguments for: Charles Barkley in the early 90s, David Robinson in the mid-late 90s, Shaq in the late 90s. No guards really come to mind aside from Clyde and MAYBE Payton, but Payton's a stretch for ever being #2

[B-Low]

crap forgot about Penny and Grant Hill in the mid 90s. Add them to the honorable mentions

[CJ Mustard]

Yeah. :confusedshrug: OP, I think 90% of people are going to say Hakeem. A more interesting thread would be to rank players 2-5 in the MJ era. We know Hakeem will go #2, but 3-5 should be interesting. I like this idea.

New topic: Rank the top 2-5.

[madmax]

which team other than Bulls was able to win twice during those Dark Ages? Nuff said - it's Hakeem...

['Toine=MVP]

Do you guys consider Patrick Ewing top 10 from 88-99?

yes. easily. as long as you mean guys that played the majority of the peak years of their careers in that period.

[Kevin_Garnett_5]

Akeem.

[Yuki Nagato]

Pippen, he carried the bulls during the decade

/sarcasm

[Roundball_Rock]

Pippen, he carried the bulls during the decade

/sarcasm

One thing is for sure, when he was out his team's win rate didn't decline by a mere 2%. :oldlol: (If you had -31% and -16% in the "Bulls without Pippen" pool you win)

[DustBytes]

give me stockton

[kentatm]

we should break it up into 80s MJ and 90s MJ.

You can actually make the claim that MJ was not the best player for most of the 80s.

The 90s, not so much.

[robertshaw_1]

best players after michael in jordan 90

[big baller]

Hakeem

[cotdt]

obviously Hakeem. Next would be Stockton/Malone, Barkley.

[CB4GOATPF]

What is the Jordan era for you?

The Jordan era also is 84-91

If you go by the total Jordan era then its even with Charles and Hakeem

If yo goy by the overall 90s Jordan era then its Hakeem

2nd-Hakeem
3rd- Barkley

4th- Robinson
5th-Malone

Overall

[pierce2008mvp]

Yeah. :confusedshrug: OP, I think 90% of people are going to say Hakeem. A more interesting thread would be to rank players 2-5 in the MJ era. We know Hakeem will go #2, but 3-5 should be interesting.

I would say Shaq is 3, Malone 4 and Barkley 5

[CB4GOATPF]

we should break it up into 80s MJ and 90s MJ.

You can actually make the claim that MJ was not the best player for most of the 80s.

The 90s, not so much.

Jordan was the Best Player 1986 on easy in terms of Impact.

In the Late 80s it was Jordan, Barkley and Hakeem as the Best Payers In Terms of Impact (Level of Teamates Involed).

[CB4GOATPF]

I would say Shaq is 3, Malone 4 and Barkley 5

A 1985-1995 was clearly better than Malone

The Jordan era did not just start in 1991 :no:

It started in 1984

[CJ Mustard]

My list after Jordan:

2. Barkley
3. Olajuwon
4. Robinson (Underrated)
5. Malone (was top 3 in the late 90's)

[SinJackal]

Robinson. Shaq was also extremely good int he 90's. Hakeem was okay, but his stats weren't any better than Robinson's or Shaq's. Can't see why everyone's on his balls.

[rfm767]

give me stockton

This.

[Lebron23]

Give me Hakeem Olajuwon

2x NBA Finals MVP
1x NBA Regular Season MVP
2x NBA Defensive Player of the Year
Mr. Quadruple Double

http://www.newmuslimthailand.com/images/prominent/Hakeem%20Olajuwon/prominent%20-%20sport%20-%20hakeem%20olajuwon%201.jpg

http://sportige.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/lg_olajuwon_all.jpg

[B-Jax]

The 2nd and 3rd spots are between Olajuwon and Barkley. Olajuwon was a solid scorer and an intimidating force on defense. If you take Barkley from around 1989-1990, you can make the argument for him being second. He was insanely efficient on offense and played great defense when he wanted to.

4th spot in my opinion goes to Malone. Great scorer, good defender, and didn't take plays off. He became even more feared once he developed a solid mid-range jump shot around 1993-1994.

5th spot I would say goes to Patrick Ewing. He was another beast on defense, great scorer, and clutch. The clutch factor is why I put him above David Robinson.

Honorable mention- David Robinson, John Stockton, a healthy Chris Mullin, Grant Hill, Scottie Pippen

[Bigsmoke]

Hakeem
Malone/Stockton
Barkley
Dave

[Bigsmoke]

give me stockton

...no

[DuMa]

what a joke. its muggsy bogues

[KG215]

I don't disagree with the players everyone is mentioning, but hardly no mention of Pippen? What gives?

[chitownsfinest]

Jordan era for me was 88-98, my list for best players after MJ goes like:
Hakeem
Barkley
Malone
Robinson/Pippen
Pippen/Robinson
Ewing
Stockton

[Jinxed]

Maybe Jordan?

Hakeem was the best. Than maybe Drob...maybe MJ for second best.

The truth is we will never know because we didn't have good stats back then to really track a players contributions.

[bdreason]

1. Hakeem
2. Barkley
3. Malone

[bdreason]

Maybe Jordan?

Hakeem was the best. Than maybe Drob...maybe MJ for second best.

The truth is we will never know because we didn't have good stats back then to really track a players contributions.


I just had to quote this for comedy. David Robinson was better than Michael Jordan? :roll:

[CB4GOATPF]

The 2nd and 3rd spots are between Olajuwon and Barkley. Olajuwon was a solid scorer and an intimidating force on defense. If you take Barkley from around 1989-1990, you can make the argument for him being second. He was insanely efficient on offense and played great defense when he wanted to.

4th spot in my opinion goes to Malone. Great scorer, good defender, and didn't take plays off. He became even more feared once he developed a solid mid-range jump shot around 1993-1994.

5th spot I would say goes to Patrick Ewing. He was another beast on defense, great scorer, and clutch. The clutch factor is why I put him above David Robinson.

Honorable mention- David Robinson, John Stockton, a healthy Chris Mullin, Grant Hill, Scottie Pippen

:applause:

[B]Great Analisis For the 2nd and 3rd Spts: Thats How It really Was from 1987-1995 (aside from Magic and Bird having Great Teamates They Wheren

[Jinxed]

I just had to quote this for comedy. David Robinson was better than Michael Jordan? :roll:

1993 Bulls W/ Jordan = 57-25

1994 Bulls no MJ= 55-27

MJ made a two game difference in the win column over his replacement Pete Myers ( A CBA player)

1996 Spurs w/ David Robinson 59-23

1997 Spurs no DRob 20-62

That's a 39 game difference in the win column...

that's 39 to 2.

Explain to me how MJ was even close to David Robinsons level?

[Duncan21formvp]

1993 Bulls W/ Jordan = 57-25

1994 Bulls no MJ= 55-27

MJ made a two game difference in the win column over his replacement Pete Myers ( A CBA player)

1996 Spurs w/ David Robinson 59-23

1997 Spurs no DRob 20-62

That's a 39 game difference in the win column...

that's 39 to 2.

Explain to me how MJ was even close to David Robinsons level?


The Atlanta Hawks in '92-93 went 43-39 and was the 8th seed in the playoffs. In '93-94 they went 57-25 and was the #1 seed. But what is weird about that is the team they had in '92-93 was no different from the '93-94 team. In fact in '93-94 Dominique Wilkins got traded half way thru the season for Danny Manning. So all in all a team with no superstar and best players were Kevin Willis and Mookie Blaylock in '93-94 won 57 games (14 game improvement over the previous year) and had the #1 seed and lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs all while trading their superstar player (Dominique Wilkins) mid way thru the season for Danny Manning.

Hawks were 36-16 while having Nique on the team and 34-15 in the games he played while on the Hawks and were 21-9 with Manning on the team.


How did that happen? How did a team jump from the 8th seed one year to the #1 seed the following despite not having any significant injuries in either year all the year trading it's star player half way thru the year?

1994 was simply a down year.

Also let's not forget that the Bulls actually won the title in 1993 so he actually won 15 playoff games while the Bulls won 6 playoff games in 1994 and won the 1st round because the Cavs were misssing it's two stars in Daugherty and Nance.

DRob not only lost with the top seed in 1995 but he almost always lost with HCA.

Not only that but Sean Elliot missed over 40+ games in 1997 as well and the team decided to tank because they wanted the #1 pick which they got and got ME and I turned the Spurs franchise around.

[Jinxed]

The Atlanta Hawks in '92-93 went 43-39 and was the 8th seed in the playoffs. In '93-94 they went 57-25 and was the #1 seed. But what is weird about that is the team they had in '92-93 was no different from the '93-94 team. In fact in '93-94 Dominique Wilkins got traded half way thru the season for Danny Manning. So all in all a team with no superstar and best players were Kevin Willis and Mookie Blaylock in '93-94 won 57 games (14 game improvement over the previous year) and had the #1 seed and lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs all while trading their superstar player (Dominique Wilkins) mid way thru the season for Danny Manning.

Hawks were 36-16 while having Nique on the team and 34-15 in the games he played while on the Hawks and were 21-9 with Manning on the team.


How did that happen? How did a team jump from the 8th seed one year to the #1 seed the following despite not having any significant injuries in either year all the year trading it's star player half way thru the year?

1994 was simply a down year.

Also let's not forget that the Bulls actually won the title in 1993 so he actually won 15 playoff games while the Bulls won 6 playoff games in 1994 and won the 1st round because the Cavs were misssing it's two stars in Daugherty and Nance.

DRob not only lost with the top seed in 1995 but he almost always lost with HCA.

Not only that but Sean Elliot missed over 40+ games in 1997 as well and the team decided to tank because they wanted the #1 pick which they got and got ME and I turned the Spurs franchise around.


A down year? As in for some magical reason everyone in the NBA somehow got worse? Don't think so. How could they have gotten better? Plenty of reasons, such as better team chemistry, inputting new plays, schemes..etc

THEY GOT A NEW COACH...LENNY WILKINS...

Obviously, a coach can make a difference. And the biggest difference in the play of the hawks that year was their vast improvement in defense. Possibly caused by Lenny's defensive schemes.

[SkyR#1fanCapCou]

1993 Bulls W/ Jordan = 57-25

1994 Bulls no MJ= 55-27

MJ made a two game difference in the win column over his replacement Pete Myers ( A CBA player)

1996 Spurs w/ David Robinson 59-23

1997 Spurs no DRob 20-62

That's a 39 game difference in the win column...

that's 39 to 2.

Explain to me how MJ was even close to David Robinsons level?

1995 Bulls no MJ= 34-31
1995 Bulls with MJ= 13-4

1993 Bulls with Jordan= championship
1994 Bulls without Jordan= one game short of an ECF (even if the bad call never happened. Bulls would probably be out of the ECF anyways)

Many more examples could be plugged in.

Anyways Hakeem would be #2, Shaq would be #3 and probably D-Rob or Malone would be #4-5. Pippen didn't lead his team nearly as long as some of the others to be included as one of the top 5. I give him credit for doing what he did the one year, but it was just a 1-year story.

[fefe]

How is Dominique Wilkins not in this discussion?

[snipes12]

glenn rice fckers

[JohnnySic]

Hakeem is closer to challenging MJ for the top spot than anyone else challenging Hakeem for the #2 spot. MJ and Hakeem are 1A and 1B in my book. Hakeem was that good.

[CJ Mustard]

Hakeem
Malone/Stockton
Barkley
Dave
Stockton ahead of Barkley? :wtf:

[DaHeezy]

The entree = Magic
The main course = Hakeem
The dessert = Shaq

[DaHeezy]

How is Dominique Wilkins not in this discussion?

Because he's not worthy?

[Laimbeer_Rodman]

The entree = Magic
The main course = Hakeem
The dessert = Shaq
:applause:

Because he's not worthy?
but extremely fun to watch

[necya]

In the '90's when Jordan was dominating the league, who was the second best player from that era?

http://www.mkrob.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/hakeem-olajuwon.jpg

http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/7/76/KarlMaloneMVP.jpg

http://beat.bodoglife.com/wp-content/uploads/charles-barkley.jpg

http://www.nba.com/media/bulls/robinson_080520.jpg

:confusedshrug:

i think those 4 pics are a good answer to your question.:applause:

[Calabis]

Aight lemme be more clear with my opinion on it. Like people said it's really not clear when the Jordan era was. To me it started in the 90s when they started winning, so with that in mind I'll say

Early 90s = Hakeem
Late 90s = Karl Malone

Also arguments for: Charles Barkley in the early 90s, David Robinson in the mid-late 90s, Shaq in the late 90s. No guards really come to mind aside from Clyde and MAYBE Payton, but Payton's a stretch for ever being #2

Dude, Jordan started in 1984...to throw away 6 years, which are most of his dominant/ridiculous seasons, is not a good thing u'r trying to do here......basically u don't want to know his comp from ages 22-27 year old

[Round Mound]

Barkley and Hakeem :bowdown: :bowdown:

[StarJordan]

Jordan era is officially 1984-2003, and it that 20 year period he won the most MVPs and titles in the league, so you have to look at totality. If you have to ask who were most impactful overall during that same timespan.

My list:

1. Magic Johnson
2. Larry Bird
3. Hakeem Olajuwon
4. Shaq O' Neal
5. Charles Barkley

[Bigsmoke]

Hakeem. easy

[Bigsmoke]

Barkley and Hakeem :bowdown: :bowdown:

the thread is asking for one person you idiot and that Hakeem

[UtahJazzFan88]

MJ
Hakeem
Karl
Barkley
Robinson

Jordan era to me is the 90's.

[L.Kizzle]

It depends on when you wanna start the Jordan era (cause we know when it ended.

Does it start in 84 when he got drafted, or when he won his first title in 91? I guess it's the latter as none of the list include Magic, Bird, Zeke, Nique among other starts from the 80s.

[CJ Mustard]

Just to be clear:

I said the 90's in the OP. What I meant was when he won his first ring. So, yea 91. But feel free to include the mid-late 80's as well.

[L.Kizzle]

Just to be clear:

I said the 90's in the OP. What I meant was when he won his first ring. So, yea 91. But feel free to include the mid-late 80's as well.


1.Hakeem
2.Barkley
3.Malone & Stockton (they count as one.)
4.Robinson
5.Pippen
6.Shaq
7.Drexler
8.Ewing

Gotta think how to rank Payton, Kemp, Miller, Zo, The Run-TMC boys, KJ, Penny, Hill, ect.

In that order

[lebeast666]

LeBron obviously.

[Ne 1]

Early 90s (First 3-peat era): Barkley

Mid-Late 90s (Second 3-peat era): Shaq

My 5 best players of the 90s besides MJ would be: Hakeem, Barkley, Shaq, Scottie Pippen, and Karl Malone.

[swi7ch]

hakeem

he's the only one in the jordan era who won a chmapionshiop. of course, he won his first one when jordan was in retirement and the second one during jordan's first year out of reitrement. so lucky! :oldlol:

[OldSchoolBBall]

During which years?

In the 80s it was Bird followed by Magic or the other way round. In the early 90s it was Hakeem followed by Barkley followed by Robinson followed by Malone. In the mid-to-late 90s it was Shaq.

Very, VERY few people ranked Hakeem above Barkley from '89-'93. '93 was the only year it was questionable.

[gengiskhan]

Hakeem "the Dream" olaijawon


1985: Runner Up NBA ROY ( Damn MJ, killed so many GOATs)
1993: NBA DPOY
1994: NBA DPOY + NBA MVP + NBA Finals MVP (The Single Greatest NBA Season By Any NBA player Ever)
1995: NBA Finals MVP

Case Closed

Next...................

[Burgz]

hakeem, and it's not close

[Bigsmoke]

hakeem

he's the only one in the jordan era who won a chmapionshiop. of course, he won his first one when jordan was in retirement and the second one during jordan's first year out of reitrement. so lucky! :oldlol:

yeah he's so lucky to face




http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/7/76/KarlMaloneMVP.jpg

http://beat.bodoglife.com/wp-content/uploads/charles-barkley.jpg

http://www.nba.com/media/bulls/robinson_080520.jpg



to get that 2nd ring in that order.

[DC Zephyrs]

1a: Hakeem
1b: Shaq

[Micku]

Hakeem or Shaq.

Hakeem was more accomplish and everything, but Shaq was no joke. Young Shaq was a beast. Just a bit injury prone...sort'a.

Barkley, Malone and Stockton are all great. But Barkley's peak was in the 80s or just with the 76ers. He should've went to the Suns sooner within Kevin Johnson's prime =(. Malone and Stockton combo was really deadly.

Ewing was good too. Very difficult player to guard.

[L.Kizzle]

Very, VERY few people ranked Hakeem above Barkley from '89-'93. '93 was the only year it was questionable.
Barkley may have been slightly better, but the 94 and 95 seasons with his Rockets beating Chuck's Suns in the playoffs basically seal the deal for the Dream vs. Barkley argument 89-98.

[Bigsmoke]

Very, VERY few people ranked Hakeem above Barkley from '89-'93. '93 was the only year it was questionable.

Hakeem's best 4 season > Barkley's

[OldSchoolBBall]

Hakeem's best 4 season > Barkley's

What's your point? Two things: Hakeem's 4 best seasons didn't come consecutively; and all I said was that few people considered him to be better than Barkley between '89-'93, which is true.

[Papaya Petee]

Young Shaq, Hakeem, Barkley, Malone, Robinson, Alonzo Mourning, Ewing, Pippen, Stockton, Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, etc. etc.

[nightprowler10]

Dream.

[miller-time]

http://doubledribble.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/clyde-drexler.jpg

at least at the sg.

[bdreason]

Hakeem
Barkley
Malone
Robinson/Pippen
Pippen/Robinson
Ewing
Stockton


This would be my list also.

[Round Mound]

Coach Chuck Daily

"Charles is the 2nd Best Player in the NBA" 1992

[Mr. Jabbar]

I always liked stockton as the best after Jordan, very personal taste though.