Jay-z went from duo with Biggie to duo with likes of Rihanna [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

Knicks101

11-28-2009, 11:15 AM

Hit ya, back split ya, **** fist fights and lame scuffles
Pillow case to your face, make the shell muffle
Shoot your daughter in the calf muscle
**** a tussle, nickel-plated
Sprinkle coke on the floor, make it drug related, most hated

What's the point of this thread btw? Your good looks don't give you an excuse to make a thread every time you have a thought.

v-unit

11-28-2009, 11:46 AM

So what if he did a song with Rihanna? There aren't any MC's left as good as or better than Biggie besides Eminem and Nas. I don't see the problem with using a girl on song, plenty of artists do that.

I say it's worse what Eminem did, he made a song with Kanye, alright...BUT Drake and Lil Wayne??? And he's putting that on his re-release of Relapse (Relapse-Refill)

BRabbiT

11-28-2009, 11:55 AM

Although i admit i`m no hater when it comes to Jay Z new album , but i never heard of his older stuff -

What the hell does Biggie have to do w/Rihanna? :confusedshrug:

Jigga's a producer/record exec/entrepreneur. Rihanna makes him millions of dollars. He shouldn't make music w/her?? :wtf:

playtetris

11-28-2009, 12:10 PM

What the hell does Biggie have to do w/Rihanna? :confusedshrug:

Jigga's a producer/record exec/entrepreneur. Rihanna makes him millions of dollars. He shouldn't make music w/her?? :wtf:

he shouldn't sell out like a m*therfcuker. the black album was a dope yet commercial product. blueprint 3 was wack barring (maybe) three songs. jigga went trash for sales...

BRabbiT

11-28-2009, 12:20 PM

he shouldn't sell out like a m*therfcuker...jigga went trash for sales...

maybe. some of his music is hard on the ears.

but if "trash for sales" is a means to an end, & fukcng beyonce is the end, it's hard for me to criticize :D

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kQ5w6bw1yvg/Rnf14-H1xtI/AAAAAAAACoc/bfSONwaJ1VU/s400/beyonce.jpg

http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/images/photos/beyonce-yacht-bikini-body.jpg
:bowdown:

v-unit

11-28-2009, 12:24 PM

he shouldn't sell out like a m*therfcuker. the black album was a dope yet commercial product. blueprint 3 was wack barring (maybe) three songs. jigga went trash for sales...

Jigga has been sellings albums for time now, so its like saying he was trash his whole career. You've been an avid hater of Blueprint III, why? Post the three songs you think aren't trash.

BlazersDozen

11-28-2009, 12:25 PM

he shouldn't sell out like a m*therfcuker. the black album was a dope yet commercial product. blueprint 3 was wack barring (maybe) three songs. jigga went trash for sales...

Completely false.

If he was going for sales then he wouldn't have had Cudi and Drake on the album. When they dropped their verses for BP3, neither of them had a hit single. If he was going for sales, don't you think that instead of bashing auto tune, half his album would be laced with it?

As far as the Biggie V. Rihanna thing.

1. There arn't any real quality rappers in the commercial lime light outside three guys and people would hate on Jay-Z if all his collabs were with Nas & Fiasco.

2. Rihanna is amazingly artistic and sadly brings more wordplay, metaphors, meaning and imagry to her music than most rappers today.

3. Rihanna is like a daughterto Hov.

4. Jay-Z has always been critisized for putting himself above his employees for over a decade. He's trying to break that habit.

People are idiots...

quasimoto

11-28-2009, 12:29 PM

2. Rihanna is amazingly artistic and sadly brings more wordplay, metaphors, meaning and imagry to her music than most rappers today.

Dude, she doesn't even write her own songs.

OneMoreSucka

11-28-2009, 02:11 PM

Biggie rose from the dead and recorded with Miley Cyrus.

It's cool.

RidonKs

11-28-2009, 02:16 PM

i like biggie more than rihanna i think so maybe i dont get what you mean?

1manfastbreak

11-28-2009, 02:27 PM

jay z never sold out. he is just always on top of his game, always comming out with new ****.

Eldrunko247

11-28-2009, 02:45 PM

Dude, she doesn't even write her own songs.
Most of her stuff is sampled from Europe or South America. Imo, they don't do the original songs much justice. It was rumored that Rhiana wrote "Umbrella" a song about her father but that is completely false. The song was written by writer/producers and pitched to MJ Blige but Rhiana ended up recording it instead.

halffttime

11-28-2009, 03:01 PM

Biggie rose from the dead and recorded with Miley Cyrus.

It's cool.

that's my jam right there.. serious

Gundress

11-28-2009, 03:14 PM

Alica Key was the reason why Empire State of Mind successful.

And Jay-Z biting a lot of rappers lines.

v-unit

11-28-2009, 03:16 PM

Alica Key was the reason why Empire State of Mind successful.

And Jay-Z biting a lot of rappers lines.

Name me 2 lines Jay-Z bit from Blueprint 3

JEFFERSON MONEY

11-28-2009, 03:17 PM

^:oldlol: You just sent that guy on a 25 minute Google mission, only to await a response regardin' "tribute vs plagiarism"

Every single Jay-Z Rihanna colab has been decent thus far, real talk.

BRabbiT

11-28-2009, 03:20 PM

^:oldlol: You just sent that guy on a 25 minute Google mission...

:roll:

Gundress

11-28-2009, 03:22 PM

Name me 2 lines Jay-Z bit from Blueprint 3

Hey dude, I wasn't talking about BP3, I am talking about in general, his whole albums he actually biting many lines. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqScH2CfYTg

He even stole Eminem lines from his last album (AG)

Hamburgers

11-28-2009, 03:22 PM

Jay Z is a fake stinky fly.

L.Kizzle

11-28-2009, 03:27 PM

Jay-Z did a track with Silkk the Shocker in 99 because No Limit was hot, I bet he wouldn't do a track with him now ...

Know What We Bout- Silkk feat. Jay-Z & Master P (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq2zvUFOdBA)

v-unit

11-28-2009, 03:27 PM

Hey dude, I wasn't talking about BP3, I am talking about in general, his whole albums he actually biting many lines. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqScH2CfYTg

He even stole Eminem lines from his last album (AG)

He didn't steal Eminem's lines. He usde them to open up the song, the 2 lines he stole aren't even the nicest lines or one of the better lines from the track. They were just a nice introduction. Let me look throug my catalogue and I'll show you a line Eminem stole from Jay.

Where else did he steal? Haters say Jay is a biter and all they bring up is Eminem's lines...what else?

Eldrunko247

11-28-2009, 03:28 PM

Name me 2 lines Jay-Z bit from Blueprint 3

Jay Z - Run This Town
"we got a banquet full of broads,
they got a table full of fella’s"

Nas-Ether
"Put it together, I rock hoes, y'all rock fellas
And now y'all try to take my spot, fellas?
Philly's hot rock fellas, put you in a dry spot, fellas
In a pine box with nine shots from my glock, fellas"

Jay Z is a "notorious" biter. He bit a line from his own epically pwned diss track. But of course, this is Jay Z we're talking about. He doesn't do that. He only bites lines to pay tribute to the rappers he borrows from. That or he's overrated and unoriginal.

v-unit

11-28-2009, 03:31 PM

v-unit

11-28-2009, 03:37 PM

Jay Z - Run This Town
"we got a banquet full of broads,
they got a table full of fella’s"

Nas-Ether
"Put it together, I rock hoes, y'all rock fellas
And now y'all try to take my spot, fellas?
Philly's hot rock fellas, put you in a dry spot, fellas
In a pine box with nine shots from my glock, fellas"

Jay Z is a "notorious" biter. He bit a line from his own epically pwned diss track. But of course, this is Jay Z we're talking about. He doesn't do that. He only bites lines to pay tribute to the rappers he borrows from. That or he's overrated and unoriginal.

HOW IS THIS BITING?? LOL :roll: The lines share only one word "fellas", Nas' line is only 6 words long while Jay used 2 lines :roll:

You're the biggest Jay hater on this site, please just gtfo. You probably only listen to his singles anyways and I guarantee you didn't ever listen to one full album of his. You are a certified goon when it comes to anything Jay-Z related.

"I guess it's just the penalty of leadership
I guess I'm what ****** wanna be and shit"

Hi hater!!

IcanzIIravor

11-28-2009, 03:41 PM

he shouldn't sell out like a m*therfcuker. the black album was a dope yet commercial product. blueprint 3 was wack barring (maybe) three songs. jigga went trash for sales...

I'd rather be rich and called a sell out than living with my mom poor and critically acclaimed by a few.

DonDadda59

11-28-2009, 03:41 PM

jay z never sold out.

Straight from the horse's mouth

The music business hate me
'cause the industry ain't make me
Hustlers and boosters embrace me
And the music I be making
I dumb down for my audience
And double my dollars
They criticize me for it
Yet they all yell "Holla"
If skills sold
Truth be told
I'd probably be
Lyrically
Talib Kweli
Truthfully
I wanna rhyme like Common Sense
(But I did five Mil)
I ain't been rhyming like Common since

-Jay Z, Moment of Clarity

Cue V-Unit trying to spin some bs to try to contradict the Jigga Man admitting he sold his soul for $ :oldlol:

Eldrunko247

11-28-2009, 03:43 PM

HOW IS THIS BITING?? LOL :roll: The lines share only one word "fellas", Nas' line is only 6 words long while Jay used 2 lines :roll:

You're the biggets Jay hater on this site, please just gtfo. You probably only listen to his singles anyways and I guarantee you did'nt listen to one full album of his. You are a certified goon when it comes to anything Jay-Z related.
How is it biting? Coming from the most elitist hip hop snob on the board, wouldn't you know? Listen to both songs. It's obvious the lines were delivered in the same fashion with the same intention. Jay just changed it around a little because his biting is ever so evident these days. When I listened to Run this town it was evident where he jacked it from.

As far as your dumb ass assuming who listens to what, you're wrong again unenlightened one. I listened to the entire Blueprint album. That "you only listen to singles" line is tired bro. Give it a rest. Put it to sleep. Stop faking the funk with your "musical knowledge". Like you know something everyone else doesn't.

v-unit

11-28-2009, 03:45 PM

Straight from the horse's mouth

Cue V-Unit trying to spin some bs to try to contradict the Jigga Man admitting he sold his soul for $ :oldlol:

:confusedshrug: You think he seriously sold out completely? All he did was dumb down and this is obvious to even the biggest Jay-Z fans. I know that Reasonable Doubt and Volume 1 are more lyrical than Volume 2 and Volume 3, but so what? He dumbed down yet is still lyrically better than 90% of the rappers out there.

You're all acting like he starting using autotune, created dances and made ringtone songs :roll:

v-unit

11-28-2009, 03:47 PM

How is it biting? Coming from the most elitist hip hop snob on the board, wouldn't you know? Listen to both songs. It's obvious the lines were delivered in the same fashion with the same intention. Jay just changed it around a little because his biting is ever so evident these days. When I listened to Run this town it was evident where he jacked it from.

As far as your dumb ass assuming who listens to what, you're wrong again unenlightened one. I listened to the entire Blueprint album. That "you only listen to singles" line is tired bro. Give it a rest. Put it to sleep. Stop faking the funk with your "musical knowledge". Like you know something everyone else doesn't.

:roll: That's a funny story. Anyways I'lll talk to you later bro I'm in a thread discussing Jay-Z's music with logic and reasoning. Message me when you're back from fantasy island!

Eldrunko247

11-28-2009, 03:49 PM

:roll: That's a funny story. Anyways I'lll talk to you later bro I'm in a thread discussing Jay-Z's music with logic and reasoning. Message me when you're back from fantasy island!
Obviously you have no counter argument. Run away little one.

DonDadda59

11-28-2009, 03:51 PM

:confusedshrug: You think he seriously sold out completely? All he did was dumb down and this is obvious to even the biggest Jay-Z fans. I know that Reasonable Doubt and Volume 1 are more lyrical than Volume 2 and Volume 3, but so what? He dumbed down yet is still lyrically better than 90% of the rappers out there.

You're all acting like he starting using autotune, created dances and made ringtone songs :roll:

Believe it or not, I'm a big Jay Z fan... I just think he (SELF-ADMITTEDLY) dumbed himself down to sell to the masses and got away from what I think made him great. Technically- in terms of ability to flow at all paces, put words together, rhyme schemes, etc he's easily top 5 all time but somewhere along the road he felt it was more important to be a pop star than live up to his talent. I felt like he wanted to go out proper w/ the Black Album and he brought his best and even admitted that he sold out for record sales, but was trying to make it right before he rode off into the sunset. I thought the Black Album was great, should've left it at that- perfect way to go out. Then he came back with a bunch of bullsh*t and he just doesn't have that hunger anymore which I guess is natural because he's been 'comfortable' for so long now, his sh*t the last few years has just been bland and as commercial as anything Miley Cirus puts out.

v-unit

11-28-2009, 03:53 PM

Obviously you have no counter argument. Run away little one.

:wtf: At the thought of anyone responding to that

v-unit

11-28-2009, 03:55 PM

Believe it or not, I'm a big Jay Z fan... I just think he (SELF-ADMITTEDLY) dumbed himself down to sell to the masses and got away from what I think made him great. Technically- in terms of ability to flow at all paces, put words together, rhyme schemes, etc he's easily top 5 all time but somewhere along the road he felt it was more important to be a pop star than live up to his talent. I felt like he wanted to go out proper w/ the Black Album and he brought his best and even admitted that he sold out for record sales, but was trying to make it right before he rode off into the sunset. I thought the Black Album was great, should've left it at that- perfect way to go out. Then he came back with a bunch of bullsh*t and he just doesn't have that hunger anymore which I guess is natural because he's been 'comfortable' for so long now, his sh*t the last few years has just been bland and as commercial as anything Miley Cirus puts out.

I completely agree he dumbed down! There is no arguement there. I also agree he has gone softer, no arguement there! It kind of irks me when you say that hes as bland and as commercial as anything Miley Cirus put out. But I guess this is just because I was able to adapt to his newer music while a lot of others weren't. I didn't want that to sound like some arrogant statement I just meant his music definetly changed but I can still connect to it and I completely understand if others don't, you know?

All in all, I agree he dumbed down, I agree he got softer, BUT I still think hes doing fine.

dyna

11-28-2009, 04:02 PM

Jay Z=OVERRATED

BRabbiT

11-28-2009, 04:16 PM

Jay Z=OVERRATED

:lol

most everything on the radio is overrated.

exageration = record sales

jigga is a great artist. he doesn't need to be defended on a message board :lol

Gundress

11-28-2009, 06:03 PM

Eminem from the track "Business" on Eminem Show

"Can't leave rap alone the game needs me"

Another thing, every rap artist does this. In the case of Jay, Nas, Eminem, when they do this they are just bigging up the other artist.

That was Eminem's line. Jay-Z stole that sh!t from him.

Anyway, Jay-Z actually dope rapper but he's boring to me...all he rap about himself, he doesn't change his formula. he used the same sh!t formula, rap about himself. He's not that musician

Gundress

11-28-2009, 06:04 PM

mbell75

11-28-2009, 06:06 PM

]http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/images/photos/beyonce-yacht-bikini-body.jpg

She looks better with clothes ON :ohwell:

KubiliusF

11-28-2009, 06:13 PM

She looks better with clothes ON :ohwell:

she`s not perfect but she`s still very much sexually attractive

v-unit

11-28-2009, 07:17 PM

That was Eminem's line. Jay-Z stole that sh!t from him.

Anyway, Jay-Z actually dope rapper but he's boring to me...all he rap about himself, he doesn't change his formula. he used the same sh!t formula, rap about himself. He's not that musician

Eminem's song came from his 2002 album while Jay-Z's came from his 2001 album, so NO Eminem stole that line :oldlol:

As for him jumping on more popular artists...? He's been consistently top 3 in popularity for a while now.

What's wrong with Beyonce? Still looks sexy

plowking

11-28-2009, 07:30 PM

he shouldn't sell out like a m*therfcuker. the black album was a dope yet commercial product. blueprint 3 was wack barring (maybe) three songs. jigga went trash for sales...

Yeah I'd rather the street cred over the millions of dollars caused by conforming and expanding music to a larger audience.
:rolleyes:

Honestly this has to be the lamest excuse on ISH. Everyone here put in that position would bolt for money, so enough with the elitist attitude.

playtetris

11-28-2009, 07:34 PM

Jigga has been sellings albums for time now, so its like saying he was trash his whole career. You've been an avid hater of Blueprint III, why? Post the three songs you think aren't trash.

that one with the horns (thank you?), doa and empire state of mind.

Completely false.

If he was going for sales then he wouldn't have had Cudi and Drake on the album. When they dropped their verses for BP3, neither of them had a hit single. If he was going for sales, don't you think that instead of bashing auto tune, half his album would be laced with it?

nope. dissing autotune is a great gimmick. by railing against what is en vogue at the time, jay drums up nice publicity for his album.

I'd rather be rich and called a sell out than living with my mom poor and critically acclaimed by a few.

Guys be lackin in this thing called rappin just for dough
Of course we gotta pay rent, so money connects, but uhh
I'd rather be broke and have a whole lot of respect
It's the principal of it, I get a rush when I bust
some dope lines oral, that maybe somebody'll quote
That's what I consider real, in this field of music
Instead of puttin brain cells to work they abuse it
Non-conceptual, non-exceptional
Everybody's either crime-related or sexual
I'm here to make a difference, besides all the riffin
The traps are not stickin, rappers stop flippin
For those who pose lyrical but really ain't true I feel

"Their time's limited, hard rocks too"

- OC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzyaaMUCpWs)

DonDadda59

11-28-2009, 07:36 PM

playtetris

11-28-2009, 07:37 PM

Yeah I'd rather the street cred over the millions of dollars caused by conforming and expanding music to a larger audience.
:rolleyes:

Honestly this has to be the lamest excuse on ISH. Everyone here put in that position would bolt for money, so enough with the elitist attitude.

street cred? jay hasn't had street cred for a LONG time. his music has been mainstream for years - the black album was massively commercial - but it has always been dope (until recently).

and no, believe it or not not everyone would bolt for cash. i have had opportunities in my life to go for dough and pursue a path that i am not passionate about. needless to say, i didn't take those routes. money and fame isn't everything.

v-unit

11-28-2009, 08:07 PM

It's funny because Jay is still lyrical and very skilled, has fans from all over the world and is still the most rich entertainer out there.

So how can you do anything but envy him? He dumbed down enough to make more money while still keeping a high level of lyrical skill. He didn't even have a huge single during American Gangster era yet still sold over 400k copies because everyone wants to hear what he has to say, not what they can dance to.

UH OH I mentioned sales, incomming "ITS NOT ALL ABOUT MONEY" . Save it, if thats what you interpret from my post then go about your day as if you didn't read this.

playtetris

11-28-2009, 08:12 PM

It's funny because Jay is still lyrical and very skilled, has fans from all over the world and is still the most rich entertainer out there.

he's not BAD by any stretch; lyrically he is still a cut above average. is that all we should expect from him though? personally, i expect lyrics of "i jack i rob i sin" calibre from jay.

v-unit

11-28-2009, 09:29 PM

Eh. Well thats the thing, he's matured now. He isn't going to make tracks like "Threats" anymore...From his intro:

"Ain't nothing cool bout carryin' a strap
Bout worryin' your moms And buryin' your best cat
Talkin' bout revenge While carryin' his casket
All teary-eyed Bout to take it to a matress"

Who would have thought HOV would talk about this? And still, can you really FAULT him for not talking about killing anymore? He's being real here...

Kobe4life

11-28-2009, 09:56 PM

sorry i dont listen to pop music

Kujo

11-28-2009, 10:23 PM

I'm no Jay-Z fan, but his old stuff is > than his new stuff. Not even if up for debate imho.

He has dumbed it down. No question.

plowking

11-29-2009, 04:00 AM

street cred? jay hasn't had street cred for a LONG time. his music has been mainstream for years - the black album was massively commercial - but it has always been dope (until recently).

and no, believe it or not not everyone would bolt for cash. i have had opportunities in my life to go for dough and pursue a path that i am not passionate about. needless to say, i didn't take those routes. money and fame isn't everything.

He's still making music, so its something he's passionate about.

I never said anything about a different path. Music is music, he simply chooses to make it differently now to be more successful. Is that not what you'd do in every career path; make decisions to be more successful?

Scoooter

11-29-2009, 04:11 AM

"Empire State of Mind" was really good I thought. Haven't really heard the rest of the album though.

Kobe4life

11-29-2009, 07:52 AM

"Empire State of Mind" was really good I thought. Haven't really heard the rest of the album though.

thats alicia keys song the only reason its good is because she sings in it

quasimoto

11-29-2009, 08:22 AM

He's still making music, so its something he's passionate about.

I never said anything about a different path. Music is music, he simply chooses to make it differently now to be more successful. Is that not what you'd do in every career path; make decisions to be more successful?
Тhat's the problem. A musician should make music because he likes it, not because he sees it as a good career or an easy way to make money. BTW, didn't Jay Z record several auto-tune songs before realizing that it would be a good idea to record a song named 'Death of Auto-Tune'?

lilojmayo

11-29-2009, 08:40 AM

thats alicia keys song the only reason its good is because she sings in it

You can say that about so many song. The Chorus/Hook makes or breaks a song period. The only song I can thnk of without a legit chorus that was good when it came out was Lil Wayne A Millie. The beginning of that song was good when he says "i''ll be hood forever", anyway that is the new way rappers sell their records. Is with now mostly singing the chorus. daboyecho even said Lil Wayne said all he has to do is rap garbage and have Drake sing the hook and it is a hit.

Rappers get people with good vocals like Rihanna, Alicia Keys, T-Pain to sing the chorus.

Honestly though what is Best I Ever Had by Drake w/o that amazing Chorus, that made that song, and your lying to yourself it think otherwise, his rapping was mediocre in that song. Another ex is I'm So Hood by DJ Khaled feat T-Pain

lilojmayo

11-29-2009, 08:59 AM

Edit Enimem from 1999-2002 was legit. He rapped without catchy chorus's, me made his song good with actual rapping talent which is rare today.
"My Name Is" comes to mind "Kim" also

If face Eminem is a perfect example of what Rap has become. Listen to My Name Is from 1999 and his 2009 Song We Made You and that will tell you everything you need to hear about what Rap has become.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmdRauWVbwg 1999 My Name Is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o8UgIgI8BU 2009 We Made You

Nothing else needs to be said.

RidonKs

11-29-2009, 11:48 AM

Is that not what you'd do in every career path; make decisions to be more successful?
no, its not. at all. otherwise the world would not be overflowing with struggling artists, poets, musicians, and writers. your definition of success, which is surely financial stability in the context of your posts, are not at - or even near - the top of those guys' priority lists.

RidonKs

11-29-2009, 11:52 AM

He rapped without catchy chorus's, me made his song good with actual rapping talent which is rare today.

"My Name Is" comes to mind "Kim" also

what?!

em has always used gimmicks and crappy simplistic repetitive dr-dre-but-without-any-awesomeness like beats to catch mainstream radio's eye and bring him in a buck. hes done that since the mmlp. perhaps the quality of the gimmick has deteriorated (although personally i think that would be way too strong of a word), but the foundational concepts behind these types of tracks have always been the same for him. and they've rarely been any good. although i'll admit when i was 14, my name is and real slim shady were the funniest things i have ever heard in my life.

v-unit

11-29-2009, 12:22 PM

what?!

em has always used gimmicks and crappy simplistic repetitive dr-dre-but-without-any-awesomeness like beats to catch mainstream radio's eye and bring him in a buck. hes done that since the mmlp. perhaps the quality of the gimmick has deteriorated (although personally i think that would be way too strong of a word), but the foundational concepts behind these types of tracks have always been the same for him. and they've rarely been any good. although i'll admit when i was 14, my name is and real slim shady were the funniest things i have ever heard in my life.

Some lines from Real Slim Shady

Yeah, I probably got a couple of screws up in my head loose
But no worse, than what's goin on in your parents' bedrooms
Sometimes, I wanna get on TV and just let loose, but can't
but it's cool for Tom Green to hump a dead moose

Will Smith don't gotta cuss in his raps to sell his records;
well I do, so **** him and **** you too
You think I give a damn about a Grammy?
Half of you critics can't even stomach me, let alone stand me

I'm like a head trip to listen to, cause I'm only givin you
things you joke about with your friends inside your living room
The only difference is I got the balls to say it
in front of y'all and I don't gotta be false or sugarcoated at all
I just get on the mic and spit it
and whether you like to admit it, I just shit it
better than ninety percent of you rappers out can
Then you wonder how can kids eat up these albums like valiums

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

RidonKs

11-29-2009, 12:32 PM

i shouldn't say they are no good. slim rarely writes a song without any lyrical proficiency, and admittedly even the cheapo gimmick tracks are pretty much chalk full of jaw-dropping wordplay and rhymes. and yeah, 'real slim shady' is certainly way better than 'we made you'. that was just in response to the assertion that slims steadily progressed from relying on dope lyrics to relying on crap commercial choruses over the course of his career - in reality, hes always relied on a combination of the two. i guess thats why he manages to be such a hit in so many different demographics. although i have to admit - as a longtime em fan - my hatred for the crappiness and lack of versatility in his production and song construction (most of the time) is starting to overwhelm my love of his beastly lyrical verbosity. thats why i need to hear him make a record without his own (or dre's) production. but thats unlikely to happen, because it wouldn't sell as much and em clearly has a different ear for beats than i (and a lot of others) would like him to have.

v-unit

11-29-2009, 12:39 PM

thats why i need to hear him make a record without his own (or dre's) production. but thats unlikely to happen, because it wouldn't sell as much and em clearly has a different ear for beats than i (and a lot of others) would like him to have.

Yeah Relapse 2 inside info. says there are only a few psychotic songs, the rest is normal Slim Shady we are used to but emotional, kind of like MMLP. It's also going to have production from Just Blaze which is going to guarantee a beat different from anything he has done before. Also I saw Premo say he wants to work with Eminem for sure (I think we had this talk actually lol, me and you).

I think Em won't be on the Relapse 1 style BUT my biggest worry is that he comes back with another "Encore"...That would be dissapointing and just tear his legacy apart.

RidonKs

11-29-2009, 12:46 PM

Go Getter

11-29-2009, 12:49 PM

I think the OP is off base.

Jay had a duo with Mary J Blige on his first album along with biggie so what.

What I noticed is a lot of his hooks sound European...."Brooklyn We Go Hard" "A Star is Born" "Run this Town"...all the hooks are made for a bigger audience and rightfully so because he has a bigger fan base.

It ALWAYS happens when a rapper gets big....he/she makes less "Where I'm From" and more "Ghetto Techno" [gawdawful song]

Go Getter

11-29-2009, 12:54 PM

yeah, we've had this exact conversation, possibly more than once before. it'l be interesting to hear blaze doing the second relapse - i expect to like it more than i did dre's production.

it was during the making of that BET cypher that premo expressed possible interest in putting something together with eminem. i'm skeptical. the music that the two of them have made their entire careers are pretty much diametrically opposed.

When you say this what exactly do you mean?

as far as musically I think the best beat Em produces would never be on par with a throwaway premo beat...in addition, premo's beats are sort of like Em's in that they have that 'boom-bap' and are very formulaic.

RidonKs

11-29-2009, 01:04 PM

as far as musically I think the best beat Em produces would never be on par with a throwaway premo beat
i'd tend to agree, although i don't think i've been exposed to as much premo as you seem to have been. i've barely breeched the surface of his gangstarr work.

but yeah, both guys seem to have formulas - its just that premo's formulas are more difficult to follow, require more creativity, and churn out much better sounds. eminem's beats tend to sound lazy and repetitive. four notes, one after the other after the other after the other, and then loop. and its always that exact same type of melodic progression. even if i don't really know the words to adequately describe it, i know its there.

when i say the sounds are diametrically opposed, i literally mean they are essentially polar opposites, as far as hip hop beats go. i'm not really sure how to put that into specific terms though. i mean, theres obviously the commercial vibe you get from em's production, as opposed to the underground vibe you get from p. but that description doesn't really do the difference justice. yeah, i'm not sure. we would need a beat enthusiast like tetris or andgar to actually formulate that distinction into real, understandable words.

but seriously, could you imagine em spitting over this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNmEAtJm3NQ)? or this even (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9BB3cT-KM8)? holy jesus. even some of his biggie joints or d'evils would be super dope. i'll admit some of premo's jazzier stuff wouldn't really mesh with em's style, but hes got some flat out creepy atmospheric production that would just go perfect. hell, em should do a remix over dr. octagonecologyst. now that would be ****ed up. :oldlol: