In their primes:Iverson,Carter,Mcgrady,Kobe & Allen

[BALLin01]

Who's the best out of these early 2000's SG's? Explain why you chose him. Don't be a homer. For example...

Kobez da best cuz he iz a LAKER!!

or

Iversonz the best cuz hez short!

[brandonislegend]

Kobez da best cuz he iz a LAKER!!

[L.Kizzle]

1. Kobe

(Monster Gap)

2. Iverson

(Another Monster Gap)

3. Carter
4. McGrady
5. Allen

As far as primes are concerned.
LOL at Monster gap, the topic is about primes in the earlier part of this decade.

Kobe, AI and McGrady are all clearly #1, #2 and #3 depending on which day of the week it is.

After, it's a mini-gap for VC at the four and another mini-gap with Ray Allen.

1a. Allen Iverson
1b. Kobe Bryant
1c. Tracy McGrady
4. Vince Carter
5. Ray Allen

[KeylessEntry]

Just like an STD, RocketsGreatness is back

[L.Kizzle]

Is that a joke? First off Kobe is clearly first and Iverson is clearly second. She-Mac's in Vince Carter's level not Kobe's. Talk to me when Tmac hustles, plays defense or plays like a man out there.
Com back when you learn to read the op's description in the thread.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Not even close bro...... The only thing they were close in was fantasy points.

We can agree to disagree, but TMAC in his prime offensively was a maniac. I dare say unstoppable? Kobe's defense is what probably gives him the slight edge.

[L.Kizzle]

I did read it....He said they were all premier SGs in the early 2000s. Doesn't mean their primes were all in the early 2000s.
My mistake, but still it's only a four man race, or you think Ray Allen was better primed than McGrady?

[hayden695]

Primes? Well beck in the day I hated Kobe and loved AI and T-Mac. So without being biased

1.AI
2. T-Mac
3. Carter
4. Allen













5. Kobe.


jk

[BRabbiT]

1) Kobe
2) Iverson
3) McGrady
4) Allen
5) VC

[Samurai Swoosh]

1) Kobe Bryant (2002/2003 - Now)
2) Allen Iverson (1999/2000 - 2005/2006)
3) Tracy McGrady (2000/2001 - 2004/2005)
4) Vince Carter (1999/2000 - 2005/2006)
5) Ray Allen (1999/2000 - 2005/2006)

[Rafael Delaget]

McGrady's prime (13 in 35) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Any other prime in the history of basketball

[noob cake]

Absolute prime ONLY; we all know that Kobe has the longest prime and has the best career by far.

1a) Iverson
1b) TMac
1c) Kobe

2) Carter

3) Allen

A prime AI or TMac ****s on Kobe.

[EricForman]

[QUOTE=Rafael Delaget

[SAKOTXA]

1. Kobe
2. Allen Iverson
3. Tracy McGrady
4. Vince Carter
5. Ray Allen

But If you rank them by this decade...

1. Kobe
2. Allen Iverson
3. Vince Carter
4. Ray Allen
5. Tracy McGrady

[Rafael Delaget]

dont be an idiot. 13 in 35 tmac isnt even as good as orlando tmac from two years before. let alone the greatest prime ever.

That 35 seconds was his prime. Nobody's ever had a prime better than that.

[ImmortalD24]

1. Tracy McGrady
2. Allen Iverson
3. Vince Carter
4. Ray Allen





















































5. kome

[dyna]

Prime Player:

1)Kobe
2)T mac
3)Iverson
4)Carter
5)Allen

Prime Talent:


1)Carter
2)T mac
3)Kobe
4)Iverson
5)Allen

[SAKOTXA]

[QUOTE=Rafael Delaget

[phoenix18]

How can 35 SECONDS be someone's prime? I bet you didn't watch T-Mac in his Magic days...
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[BALLin01]

How can 35 SECONDS be someone's prime? I bet you didn't watch T-Mac in his Magic days...

:lol

[noob cake]

Some of you people obviously don't watch basketball. TMac prime in orlando rapes Kobe anally.

[BRabbiT]

Some of you people obviously don't watch basketball. TMac prime in orlando rapes Kobe anally.





http://ymswwc.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/tracy-mcgrady.jpg

[BALLin01]

http://ymswwc.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/tracy-mcgrady.jpg

Because his team was so sh*tty

[SAKOTXA]

Some of you people obviously don't watch basketball. TMac prime in orlando rapes Kobe anally.

Do you pay attention to things such as DEFENSE or HUSTLE, or WILL to win? T-Mac never had those things, even in his prime.

[BRabbiT]

Do you pay attention to things such as DEFENSE or HUSTLE, or WILL to win? T-Mac never had those things, even in his prime.

exactly.

[phoenix18]

Do you pay attention to things such as DEFENSE or HUSTLE, or WILL to win? T-Mac never had those things, even in his prime.
OMG.

Why????

Are you honestly going to say that T-mac did not have the will to win? I mean come on.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

OMG.

Why????

Are you honestly going to say that T-mac did not have the will to win? I mean come on.

Where Kobe fans happen.

[BRabbiT]

Are you honestly going to say that T-mac did not have the will to make buckets?

......

[SAKOTXA]

OMG.

Why????

Are you honestly going to say that T-mac did not have the will to win? I mean come on.

He did, but not enough. He had all the physical abilities he need to be the best player in the league and win championships, long arms, 6'8 SG/SF, leaping ability, big body..... something was missing and it was his will to win, he sometimes showed it, but It went away after a while.

[jaydacris]

tmac's orlando team wasnt ****ty...

cmon man, tmac had a chance to play with THE amazing PAT duo

garrity and burke? game over baby.

[Suprageex]

Where Kobe fans happen.
Where people who can't resist answering everything about Kobe happens?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Where people who can't resist answering everything about Kobe happens?

This is true. Not even you can.

[pete's montreux]

Someone who puts his team on his back and scores 13 in 35 doesn't have the will to win? Strange. I'd really like to hear your definition of that, then.

[SAKOTXA]

You guys are sad....

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Someone who puts his team on his back and scores 13 in 35 doesn't have the will to win? Strange. I'd really like to hear your definition of that, then.

It's a shame McGrady never had a prime Shaq to bail him out. :ohwell:

[SAKOTXA]

Someone who puts his team on his back and scores 13 in 35 doesn't have the will to win? Strange. I'd really like to hear your definition of that, then.

Someone that hasn't been out of the first round of the playoffs doesn't have the will to win. Like I said he showed some flashes of having it, but not consistently. There would be nights that he would just daydream through the whole game. T-Mac is one of my favorite players of all time, his skills are amazing for a guy his height, but he is not a winner and doesn't take care of his body.

[SAKOTXA]

It's a shame McGrady never had a prime Shaq to bail him out. :ohwell:

Oh yea, for sure.

EDIT: Do you forget that he couldn't get out of the first round of the playoffs with YAO? Yao is no where near Shaq, but If you gave Kobe that same team he you can bet your monkey ass that he would at least get to the second round.

[hayden695]

You guys are arguing with a 12 year old here. Let him spew bullsh*t if he wants.

[BALLin01]

Someone that hasn't been out of the first round of the playoffs doesn't have the will to win. Like I said he showed some flashes of having it, but not consistently. There would be nights that he would just daydream through the whole game. T-Mac is one of my favorite players of all time, his skills are amazing for a guy his height, but he is not a winner and doesn't take care of his body.

Its not his fault he never made it out of the first round, he just never had the help. Look at his 2000-2001 team

C-Andrew DeClercq/Michael Doleac
PF-Bo Outlaw/John Amaechi
SF-Mike Miller/Pat Garrity
SG-T-Mac/Monty Williams
PG-Darrel Armstrong/Troy Hudson

Regular Season Stats 2000-2001
26.8 PPG/7.5 REBS/4.6 ASSTS

Playoff Stats 2000-2001
33.8 PPG/6.5 REBS/8.3 ASSTS

Really not much more he could do.

[SAKOTXA]

Its not his fault he never made it out of the first round, he just never had the help. Look at his 2000-2001 team

C-Andrew DeClercq/Michael Doleac
PF-Bo Outlaw/John Amaechi
SF-Mike Miller/Pat Garrity
SG-T-Mac/Monty Williams
PG-Darrel Armstrong/Troy Hudson

If Lebron went to the Finals with his 2007 team, T-Mac could at least make it out of the first round. I understand that he had horrible supporting casts in Orlando, but what happened when he had a decent supporting cast in Houston? He is injured 90 % of the time, his team went to the 2nd round without him imagine If he was healthy?

[Dresta]

lol, if T-Mac had a prime Shaq to play with, they would've won 3 titles also. Talk about your will to win.

[SAKOTXA]

You guys are singing the same song every time "If this guys, that guy had prime Shaq" well they didn't and there is now way you can prove me that T-Mac would play that well with Shaq, we didn't see It and we are not ever going to see it.

[Lyin]

If...

You know you rep a loser player when they use the IF.

Fact: Kobe is better than those 4.

Kobe



Keisha Cole pre-surgery gap



Iverson

McGrady

Vince
Ray

F*ck outta here if you think Kobe is not first.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Oh yea, for sure.

EDIT: Do you forget that he couldn't get out of the first round of the playoffs with YAO? Yao is no where near Shaq, but If you gave Kobe that same team he you can bet your monkey ass that he would at least get to the second round.

Kobe's 3peat teams > any Mcgrady has ever had. I'd say for the majority of his career actually.

The bold is correct. Yao will never have the dominance and impact Shaq had, no comparison really.

[phoenix18]

You guys are arguing with a 12 year old here. Let him spew bullsh*t if he wants.
This.

[SAKOTXA]

Kobe's 3peat teams > any Mcgrady has ever had. I'd say for the majority of his career actually.

The bold is correct. Yao will never have the dominance and impact Shaq had, no comparison really.

The only difference is that Kobe and Shaq were surrounded with scrubs during those years. Old Glen Rice was arguably the best player after Kobe and Shaq the Lakers had, and he only played on the 2000 team... T-Mac and Yao actually had some good pieces, they should have definitely gone out of the first round.

[SAKOTXA]

This.

lol I am the 12 year old? OK

[phoenix18]

lol I am the 12 year old? OK
Its just those rainy days you spend a lifetime trying to wash away.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The only difference is that Kobe and Shaq were surrounded with scrubs during those years. Old Glen Rice was arguably the best player after Kobe and Shaq the Lakers had, and he only played on the 2000 team... T-Mac and Yao actually had some good pieces, they should have definitely gone out of the first round.

Robert Horry, Derek Fisher, Horace Grant, Glen Rice, Ron Harper, Brian Shaw and Rick Fox (who are all well known to be clutch in their own right) were scrubs? Damn, I guess after the 81pt game, LA really lost perspective, well their fans at least. Tmac and Yao had to play the Jazz who equally had great talent. Not to mention Yao wasn't 100% healthy during one of their 1st round exits. Give me 2000-2002 Laker players (who know their roles and are for the most part veterans) over "better talent".

[SAKOTXA]

Robert Horry, Derek Fisher, Horace Grant, Glen Rice, Ron Harper, Brian Shaw and Rick Fox (who are all well known to be clutch in their own right) were scrubs? Damn, I guess after the 81pt game, LA really lost perspective, well their fans at least. Tmac and Yao had to play the Jazz who equally had great talent. Not to mention Yao wasn't 100% healthy during one of their 1st round exits. Give me 2000-2002 Laker players (who know their roles and are for the most part veterans) over "better talent".

Washed up Ron harper, Rick Fox, Horace grant......

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Washed up Ron harper, Rick Fox, Horace grant......

Who fit the Lakers triangle perfectly. Rick Fox and Harper's D was great during the 3 peat.

[KenneBell]

If...

You know you rep a loser player when they use the IF.

Fact: Kobe is better than those 4.

Kobe



Keisha Cole pre-surgery gap



Iverson

McGrady

Vince
Ray

F*ck outta here if you think Kobe is not first.\That's a bigass gap.:roll:

[BALLin01]

If...

You know you rep a loser player when they use the IF.

Fact: Kobe is better than those 4.

Kobe



Keisha Cole pre-surgery gap



Iverson

McGrady

Vince
Ray

F*ck outta here if you think Kobe is not first.

:roll:

[playtetris]

kobe/mcgrady
ai
carter
rayray

mcgrady wasn't a BAD defender back in the day. in fact, early on in his career (raptors era) he played great d. when he was in his prime at the magic he had to carry the scoring load of the team, hence why his defence sagged a little. kobe is the same way even now.

[oh the horror]

I would say McGrady was up there for sure. Dude was a flat out monster. Kobe was right there too...

I'd have to go with Iverson as the third....at his size, the things he was doing to the league at one point was flat out amazing.


Then, Carter, and THEN Allen.

[BALLin01]

1) Kobe
2) Iverson
3) McGrady
4) Allen
5) VC

How come you put Allen over Carter?

[magnax1]

Early decade it goes (for best year)
1-McGrady
2-AI
3-Kobe
4-VC
5-Ray Ray
Top three are really close, but McGrady was a very good defender up until 04 when the injuries started to hit him worse. AI and Kobe are close, but I had to give it to AI, because he had a bigger impact on his team.
EDIT:If its there overall prime, not just pre 05, then it goes
1-Kobe
2-TMac
3-AI
4-VC
5-Jesus Shuttleworth

[branslowski]

:oldlol: @ The morons in this thread...


1. Kobe

2. T-Mac
3. Iverson
4. Carter
5. Allen

[amfirst]

Kobe
Iverson
T-Mac

T-Mac not even close to Kobe. How many time must u watch Kobe destroy him to realize this. Iverson above T-Mac because the dude carry his team to the finals, even though the east was weak.

[BRabbiT]

How come you put Allen over Carter?


idk, i was a little more impressed by allen's offensive weaponry than carter's, during their prime.

allen's teams sucked (mostly), but dude was cold blooded and was a lot more consistent than VC

[Shih508]

Someone that hasn't been out of the first round of the playoffs doesn't have the will to win. Like I said he showed some flashes of having it, but not consistently. There would be nights that he would just daydream through the whole game. T-Mac is one of my favorite players of all time, his skills are amazing for a guy his height, but he is not a winner and doesn't take care of his body.

man, it sounds alot like kobe without shaq or pau!

EAT THAT

[phoenix18]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Its clear there is some bias somewhere in this thread........



still looking.......



its so hard to find it...

[playtetris]

Kobe
Iverson
T-Mac

T-Mac not even close to Kobe. How many time must u watch Kobe destroy him to realize this. Iverson above T-Mac because the dude carry his team to the finals, even though the east was weak.

iverson's squad was >>> than prime mcgrady's squad.

[phoenix18]

iverson's squad was >>> than prime mcgrady's squad.
I would not call Mcgrady's helpers a squad. That was the saddest bunch of players in my life. Iverson actually had SOME help.

Grant Hill on the IR doesnt help. Pat Garrity and that other pat in the starting lineup or anywhere near the court is not a good look either. His teams were just terrible.

[Quizno]

1A) Kobe
1B) Iverson

giving the edge to kobe just because he's a better defender and shoots more efficiently. iverson was a better passer and led his team to the finals, but i just can't put him above kobe. his 2005-2006 season was just too good.

2) T-Mac - offensive machine!
3) Vince Carter
4) Ray Allen

[noob cake]

Stop looking at TMac's career as a whole.

He is unlucky; he is injury prone; he never had a great supporting cast; and yes he never got out of the first round.

But during his prime, he was an absolute unstoppable monster.

[nbastatus]

Kobe
AI
T-Mac
RayRay
Vince.

[White Mamba]

Kobe, and its not even close

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf8RndUf-0Y :applause:

[francesco totti]

No disrespect to ray allen, but his name shouldnt be in this list.
He is good player, but not On the level of the other four.

[Scribbles]

/face palm.


So we're arguing that a game of T-Mac's 13 points in 35 minutes makes him better than Kobe in early 2000.

Good joke.

[EricForman]

No disrespect to ray allen, but his name shouldnt be in this list.
He is good player, but not On the level of the other four.


I agree that Allen's prime dont measure up to Kobe Iverson or Tmacs prime, but Allen deserves credit for being consistent, no?

he's been around 22-4-4 for almost his entire career. sure it doesnt match up to tmacs prime, but then rays been that way for like a decade now. tmac and vince each peaked for what, 4-5 years?

rays actually led an average cast to 50 wins and second round of playoffs (05 sonics) and another team to the ECF (01). So ecen bfore joining the Celtics he has accomplished some stuff.

Ray is extremely underrated. If we going ENTIRE career, i'd rank him over Vince and Tmac, easy.

[wang4three]

Kobe
Tmac
Iverson
Carter
Allen

Kobe and T-Mac in their respective primes were very close, but I choose Kobe because he seemed to make less mistakes.

[BALLin01]

No disrespect to ray allen, but his name shouldnt be in this list.
He is good player, but not On the level of the other four.

I put Ray on there because he was consistent, he was always a top SG throught the decade and had some team success before Boston.

[MELOgamaniac]

Prime or early decade kobe is not even #1 sorry to break to you girls.

prime tmac>Kobe
early 2000's Iverson>kobe

[Heeere's Jonny!]

Is that a joke? First off Kobe is clearly first and Iverson is clearly second. She-Mac's in Vince Carter's level not Kobe's. Talk to me when Tmac hustles, plays defense or plays like a man out there.
Ever heard of the years 2001-2004? T-Mac was as good, if not better than Kobe for all those years. Ok, maybe not 04. But 01-03 he was pretty damn good. I would say that Kobe's prime was a couple years after all of the other guys. The other four were very good in the early part of the decade, I think Kobe's prime would be the middle late part.

1. Kobe
2a. Iverson
2b. Tmac
3. Carter
4. Ray

[B-Diddy=2Easy]

Why is Ray Allen even in the discussion with these great players? In his prime and in his best season, he didn't even make the Allstar team. He' never been the caliber player Vince, Iverson, T-Mac and Kobe was. It's asinine to think so.

[ArizaAttack24]

Stop looking at TMac's career as a whole.

He is unlucky; he is injury prone; he never had a great supporting cast; and yes he never got out of the first round.

But during his prime, he was an absolute unstoppable monster.
He was perfecetly stoppable.........by himself.

[MELOgamaniac]

Why is Ray Allen even in the discussion with these great players? In his prime and in his best season, he didn't even make the Allstar team. He' never been the caliber player Vince, Iverson, T-Mac and Kobe was. It's asinine to think so.

you get stupider as you grow older

[Shih508]

in their prime

1a Iverson
1b Kobe
2. Tmac
3. Carter

Talent level

1. AI
2a Tmac
2b Carter
3 Kobe

Career Accomplishments

1. Kobe
2. AI
3. Carter
4. Tmac

[SinJackal]

It's going to be hard for a lot of the simple minded fans to understand the question that's even being asked. Kobe is clearly the best player of the five, but that isn't really the question.

I agree with the lot of people that have posted on how dominant that T-Mac was (namely with the Magic). T-Mac's best season is very comparable to Kobe's best season if not better, and one can't say "Kobe won championships though", because the Lakers sucked during Kobe's best season. Kobe never won without an incredible team around him. Same with T-Mac. Last year was Kobe's first championship as the best player on his team.

The fact is though, T-Mac was capable of being as good as or better than Kobe, but he failed to deliver due to injuries. It's really too bad.

As for Iverson, I don't think he was better than either in their primes because he was a lesser shooter, and always had an inferior FG%. He scored 30 PPG sure, but he took way too many shots considering that he barely shot 40% from the field most years.

Vince was good, but not in those three's leagues imo. Ray Allen was good, but also not in their leagues.


1: Kobe

2: T Mac

3: Iverson




4: Carter

5: Allem

[Revelation]

If we are talking about absolute prime, McGrady was the best of the 5, with Kobe as a close second.

1. McGrady (2002-2003 season)
2. Kobe
3. Iverson
4. Carter
5. Allen

[SinJackal]

If we are talking about absolute prime, McGrady was the best of the 5, with Kobe as a close second.

1. McGrady (2002-2003 season)
2. Kobe
3. Iverson
4. Carter
5. Allen


don't forget that T-Mac choked in late game situations, and was an average three throw shooter. He's just a slightly better rebounder, and def' a better 3pt shooter than Kobe. I don't think he was much better besides his threes. Then again he never had a Lakers team to play on, so maybe he would've had different fortunes if he ended up on a great team by sheer luck like Kobe did.

[Samurai Swoosh]

WOW ... some people here are beyond clueless.

[Diesel J]

T-mac was the best when 100% healthy. He made the game look so easy he didn't even break a sweat and dude also had lockdown defense.

[La Frescobaldi]

Iversonz the best cuz hez short!

[Kiddlovesnets]

Kobe, Carter, Iverson, Allen, Mcgrady in terms of pure skills.

[bizil]

Primes:

Kobe
T Mac
AI
Vince
Ray Ray


Historically:

Kobe
AI
Ray Ray
Vince
T Mac

[bizil]

When it comes to T-Mac, he was the guy most equipped to battle Kobe. He had the all around game Vince didn't have, the athletic ability Ray didn't have (even though Ray was an above average and even underrated athlete), and the size AI didn't have. Problem was health and consistent killer defense that Kobe had. If T-Mac was better than Kobe, it was for a cup of coffee. Can't control health sometimes, but T-Mac and the defensive end were the difference between he and Kobe. Even though T-Mac was so long and athletic that he could check some PF's. In terms of peak value though, the other SG's I can say FOR SURE I would take over T Mac are MJ and Kobe. Mac was that good and at 6'9 provided an SG that we had never really seen before given the totality of his size, athletic ability, all around excellence, and scoring skillset. It was damn near like combining George Gervin, Penny, and adding a couple of extra inches. SICK!!!