Ricky Rubio Is A Hyped Up Media Creation

[Lakas Fan Yo]

It has been said over and over that all this hype in the US about Rubio "playing professionally" at age 14-15 was mostly just a media creation in the US. This whole myth being created that this was something totally one of a kind and extraordinary is something that both NBA and Spanish League fans (American fan boys and Spanish homers) have used to an extreme to propagate this myth that this proved Rubio was something unique and unheard of and "the best European talent ever", which is a joke.

Despite numerous other European fans trying to explain that there really is not something so unique about this, no NBA fan boys believe it. All they believe is the hype machine from US media and from Spain. Just like no matter how many times it is explained that Rubio is averaging 6 and 5 on poor shooting in the Euroleague (and that is by far his career year so far to boot), 90% of NBA fan boys repeat this fantasy myth "Rubio dominates Europe". If anyone questions this they get the "he is injured" or "he is just a kid" excuses. Well those are starting to run out. He would be a college sophomore if he was an American player so he's not THAT young to be making such excuses. And he's not injured at all as he is 100% healthy, so the injury excuse that was used by all NBA fan boys and Spanish homers as the excuse for his bad play in the Euroleague last year won't fly. And all the "those are good stats for Europe" lies don't fly either. Because actually, no, he has nothing better than average stats in the Euroleague overall and that is it.

Well, part of this hype and myth NBA fans believe is that draftexpress knows what they are talking about. Even though largely they are wrong on mostly everything they say regarding European basketball, nonetheless, NBA fans are under a delusion that they are "legit" about European basketball (they aren't though). So since NBA fans give "credence" to draftexpress they can read it from them directly and then the excuses and lies posted by NBA fan boys and Spanish homers about Rubio, like calling any European fan questioning the hype reported about Rubio, "liars", won't work this time. Since they themselves use draftexpress, another fan boy site, to get most of their European basketball "knowledge" from anyway they can read the truth here:

http://www.draftexpress.com/blog/International-Blog/#European-Roundup-High-Expectations-for-Vesely-3344

15-year Old Breaks Greek League Age Record

After 14-year old Edvinas Seskus of Rudupis Prienai broke the first division Lithuanian league record by being the youngest player to ever enter a game last week, 15-year old Alexandros Aggelakos accomplished the same feat in the ultra physical and competitive Greek league on Saturday. This, according to European basketball website TalkBasket.net.


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Once again, all this hype about Rubio is mostly just that - hype. But if anyone dares question all this insane hype about Rubio you automatically get the "he played in ACB at 14-15 and that proves he is the best ever European talent" and "no one else in European history can play pro ball at such a young age" and blah, blah, blah.

And then if you bring up other examples the hype machine liars use the old "but ACB is a good league and the others in Europe suck". Well again since these fan boys put so much trust in their fan boy site draftexpress, read this excerpt again.............

15-year old Alexandros Aggelakos accomplished the same feat in the ultra physical and competitive Greek league on Saturday.

And also Panagiotis Yiannakis played in the old original Greek League professionally at age 13. Yes at age THIRTEEN. Again, the hype that Rubio is some kind of European basketball savant, a one of a kind, unheard of Mozart of basketball is pure nonsense.

But again if a European fan brings up such things they are called a "liar" by the NBA fan boys, the fake European fans, and the Spanish homers. Bottom line is the hype about Rubio is out of control. This just highlights how much he is a media creation. When other players do the same thing as him no one and I mean NO ONE in the US or Europe hears a word about it. And players playing at a young age is nothing new in Europe. All the "he played Euroleague at age 16" hype.............

Players that played at young ages (18 and under) in the Euroleague just off the top of my head:

Sani Becirovic at 18
Nikos Zisis at 17

I am sure there are numerous other ones, it's just that those two guys just come to mind. Mainly they come to mind because they played at the same position as Rubio. Because one of the other hyped up myths is that "there has never been another European point guard that could play Euroleague as a teenager." So that just makes it stand out even more, for being just more myths and hype. How many NBA fans have ever heard of Becirovic or Zisis? Now compare that to Rubio's hype. How much hype was created in the US by Slam Magazine, ESPN, and Sports Illustrated when Zisis (also a European point guard) played in the Euroleague at age 17? Where were the "Zisis is the new Pistol Pete" and "Zisis is the new Drazen" articles at?


And all this big deal being made right now this season about how "Rubio plays Euroleague at age 19 and that is unheard of in Europe".............yeah well Brandon Jennings played about the same minutes as Rubio plays last year in the Euroleague at age 19, Kostas Papanikolaou is 19 and plays in the Euroleague on just as big or maybe even a bigger club than Rubio plays on, Jan Vesely is 19 and plays in the Euroleague, and so forth. So again, nothing incredibly amazing or unusual about this. How many NBA fans have ever heard of Vesely or Papanikolaou? Now compare that to this insane Rubio hype. Now Papanikolaou is just a rotation player in some games and does not play in some others and Vesely plays on a much weaker team than Rubio.

But the point stands, there is nothing incredible or amazing about Rubio just because he plays 20 minutes a game in the Euroleague at age 19. It's just hype.

[sergiorodriguez]

Sergio Rodriguez is a better pointguard than Ricky Rubio, I said it 10,000 times. People who never saw Rubio play always call me an idiot homer when I say this, but its the truth.

[chains5000]

Sergio Rodriguez is a better pointguard than Ricky Rubio, I said it 10,000 times. People who never saw Rubio play always call me an idiot homer when I say this, but its the truth.
:sleeping

[chains5000]

Spanoulis > Rubio
Spanoulis > Chris Paul

Right?

[Jinxed]

I've seen almost every single one of Ricky's games this season, both in the ACB and in the Euroleague.

His team, FC Barcelona is undefeated in the Euroleague and is 9-1 in the ACB. With their only loss coming down to the very end. I won't say that's all due to Ricky, Barca is pretty much an all star team, but I will say that whenever Rubio's at the helm they are crushing the opposing team. I wish they kept +/- stats over in Europe..I'm sure Ricky's would be astronomical. He does the things that don't show up in the traditional box score. Making the extra pass, running the offense to perfection, and playing great D.

Yet despite this his box score stats are pretty good..The euroleague does a Ranking stat..which is similar to NBA efficiency..adding up pts,rbs,assts..subtracting TO's and missed shots etc

Rubio ranks 17th in the league in per minute ranking and second amongst PG's..to Diamontidis..

Your Lover Spanoulis is 18th.

http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics/individual/per-minute

Let's be honest here. You are Greek. You are a greek homer. You dislike the Spanish. It must kill you that FC Barcelona is DESTROYING the Euroleague this year.

[Silverbullit]

Who is Ricky Rubio? :confusedshrug:

[joe]

The media can't create the fact that he looked solid against Team USA. With an injury. In the Olympic Gold Medal game. This wasn't some scrimmage where Chris Paul was going to take it easy on him, it was for the whole pot and Rubio held his own.

He didn't dominate, he didn't even have a standout game at all if you check the stats. But if you watch the game he looked like he fit in with the competition, and every now and then you saw flashes of his potential.

If he was as overhyped as you think he is, Chris Paul and Deron Williams should've been ball-hawking him and pressuring him every time up the court. They should've exposed him. But they didn't.

[Jinxed]

He also dominated Tony Parker in a Eurobasket game this summer...at 18 years old.

[joe]

He also dominated Tony Parker in a Eurobasket game this summer...at 18 years old.

where are you watchin these games at? are you over in europe or are you over here in the states?

[plowking]

Roundball_Rock:

"It's the media maaann. They want you to believe Jordan is the GOAT, but he ain't maaaannn. They're getting inside your brain, its all marketing maann."

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[Jinxed]

where are you watchin these games at? are you over in europe or are you over here in the states?

I'm in the US.

ESPN360 is playing almost all of FC Barcelona's Euroleague games this year. FC's next game is at 2:45 EST on Thursday. It's great because if you can't see it live you can always watch the replay anytime you want as long as it is within a few days.

NBA Tv channel also plays a replay of a top Euroleague game each week on saturday afternoons. They usually play either an FC Barcelona or Olympiakos game if you can't see it on ESPN360 and like watching on your television, that's a good option

For ACB games you need to get a live stream. Try myp2p forums.

[lillil wayne]

He also dominated Tony Parker in a Eurobasket game this summer...at 18 years old.
Insignificant. TP has been playing in the NBA for years with 2 rings. Rubio will just be getting acquainted with American players and game style. He will not be running around the league like a kid in an oversea candy store.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

I've seen almost every single one of Ricky's games this season, both in the ACB and in the Euroleague.

His team, FC Barcelona is undefeated in the Euroleague and is 9-1 in the ACB. With their only loss coming down to the very end. I won't say that's all due to Ricky, Barca is pretty much an all star team, but I will say that whenever Rubio's at the helm they are crushing the opposing team. I wish they kept +/- stats over in Europe..I'm sure Ricky's would be astronomical. He does the things that don't show up in the traditional box score. Making the extra pass, running the offense to perfection, and playing great D.

Yet despite this his box score stats are pretty good..The euroleague does a Ranking stat..which is similar to NBA efficiency..adding up pts,rbs,assts..subtracting TO's and missed shots etc

Rubio ranks 17th in the league in per minute ranking and second amongst PG's..to Diamontidis..

Your Lover Spanoulis is 18th.

http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics/individual/per-minute

Let's be honest here. You are Greek. You are a greek homer. You dislike the Spanish. It must kill you that FC Barcelona is DESTROYING the Euroleague this year.


And this is the exact definition of a Rubio homer and a fan boy spreading more myths and lies. The fact is that Rubio is an average point guard in the Euroleague and is only at best the third best player on his team. He's anywhere from Barca's third to sixth best player. Yet here you go making it sound like he's the best point guard in Europe, the MVP of his team and every other load of BS you can make up.

[el gringos]

I see what your saying, but that's how it goes here- we did president like that- of course entertainment- but really, motiejunas a whole lot better of an nba prospect right? Who is the best non american prospect under 21?

[chains5000]

And this is the exact definition of a Rubio homer and a fan boy spreading more myths and lies. The fact is that Rubio is an average point guard in the Euroleague and is only at best the third best player on his team. Yet here you go making it sound like he's the best point guard in Europe, the MVP of his team and every other load of BS you can make up.
If he's an average point guard, why did Bar

[Lakas Fan Yo]

The media can't create the fact that he looked solid against Team USA. With an injury. In the Olympic Gold Medal game. This wasn't some scrimmage where Chris Paul was going to take it easy on him, it was for the whole pot and Rubio held his own.

He didn't dominate, he didn't even have a standout game at all if you check the stats. But if you watch the game he looked like he fit in with the competition, and every now and then you saw flashes of his potential.

If he was as overhyped as you think he is, Chris Paul and Deron Williams should've been ball-hawking him and pressuring him every time up the court. They should've exposed him. But they didn't.

Your post totally lacks logic. What you fail to grasp is that the NBA is only a little bit better than the Euroleague. The Olympics are no better than the EuroBasket and in fact actually worse. So there is no reason why Team USA guards should dominate him if he was hyped up. Plenty of Euroleague/EuroBasket point guards would have played much better than he did under the same scenario.

It's just more media hype that would suggest that Rubio is unique among Euroleague/EuroBasket point guards that could play decently against Team USA. It's actually laughable.

[Roundball_Rock]

Roundball_Rock:

"It's the media maaann. They want you to believe Jordan is the GOAT, but he ain't maaaannn. They're getting inside your brain, its all marketing maann."

This coming from someone who thinks Schumacher had tough competition. :oldlol:

[Lakas Fan Yo]

He also dominated Tony Parker in a Eurobasket game this summer...at 18 years old.

Lies and myths from the Rubio homers. When Spain played Greece and France at the elimination games, Parker and Spanoulis were double teamed the entire game and even some times triple teamed. Yet you want to claim Rubio "dominated". Once again, more hype and nonsense being spread about Rubio.

I believe that many of Rubio's agents post on message boards.

[ZOMG]

Let's be honest here. You are Greek. You are a greek homer. You dislike the Spanish. It must kill you that FC Barcelona is DESTROYING the Euroleague this year.

Yup. Most Americans don't really understand how much dislike and plain hatred there is between many European countries (particularly Mediterranean and Balkan ones). This s*it runs deep and it shows in team sports too.

I respect many of Lakas Fan's viewpoints but to claim that Rubio is a "media creation" is absurd. Also, it's not about the age in which a player entered a professional game - as Lakas Fan said, there's been an endless amount of young kids who've gotten a few minutes here and there in tough pro leagues. However, Rubio has been special from the start.

It doesn't matter how much hate Rubio gets on the internet. The fact remains that NBA GM's know how good he is at running a team and they don't read ISH.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

I see what your saying, but that's how it goes here- we did president like that- of course entertainment- but really, motiejunas a whole lot better of an nba prospect right? Who is the best non american prospect under 21?

I agree with you about Motiejunas being the same but it's just so overboard with Rubio.

[Jinxed]

And this is the exact definition of a Rubio homer and a fan boy spreading more myths and lies. The fact is that Rubio is an average point guard in the Euroleague and is only at best the third best player on his team. Yet here you go making it sound like he's the best point guard in Europe, the MVP of his team and every other load of BS you can make up.

Quit trolling.

If he is an average PG like you said, how come he is ranked SECOND (barely out of first ) in ranking per minute amongst point guards?

Really, who is a better point guard in Europe over him? Just like week he easily outplayed Terrel Mcintyre who was the best pg in europe last year (euroleague first team)

[ZOMG]

The funny thing is - you don't even see any Rubio hype anymore since it's all been drowned out by Rubio haters. Yet people still make threads like this and claim an "undeserving" Rubio is being force-fed down their throats. Please.

Rubio will come to the NBA at some point, he will end up running a team and being very good at it. End of story, no further hype needed.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

[QUOTE=chains5000]If he's an average point guard, why did Bar

[ZOMG]

well for example Kostas Papanikolau at age 18 cost Olympiacos 2.3 million euros.

It's well known that the biggest Greek teams routinely overpay their players - particularly Greek ones. It's almost a case of "money doesn't matter" when they want someone for one reason or another.

[chains5000]

I know more than anybody in the basketball bussiness.
:confusedshrug:

[plowking]

This coming from someone who thinks Schumacher had tough competition. :oldlol:

Still mad Jordan is the clear cut GOAT.

Awesome, you think you're different by supporting Kareem as the GOAT. That just makes you one of the insecure Laker fans on the board.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Yup. Most Americans don't really understand how much dislike and plain hatred there is between many European countries (particularly Mediterranean and Balkan ones). This s*it runs deep and it shows in team sports too.

I respect many of Lakas Fan's viewpoints but to claim that Rubio is a "media creation" is absurd. Also, it's not about the age in which a player entered a professional game - as Lakas Fan said, there's been an endless amount of young kids who've gotten a few minutes here and there in tough pro leagues. However, Rubio has been special from the start.

It doesn't matter how much hate Rubio gets on the internet. The fact remains that NBA GM's know how good he is at running a team and they don't read ISH.

Rubio has NOT been "special from the start". More lies. He had been a good player in the Spanish League and certainly not great by any means. That's a third tier league.

He had been a good and not great player in the Eurocup and that's not even as good as the Spanish League. He had been before this year a complete scrub in the Euroleague which is the best league in Europe. This year he is an average player in the Euroleague level. That's it.

He was an average player at the EuroBasket. Nothing more than that. Yes he won the gold medal but that was almost all on Pau Gasol who played out of his mind. Rubio was just another one of the Spanish national team's role players and not even one of the key ones.

At the very most he is the third best player on Barcelona and honestly that's probably being generous. Really, he's the 4th-6th best on his team probably. But since when the hell is a guy "special" for being maybe the third best player on his team? I'm not biased in the least bit, it's you and every other fan boy or homer of Rubio that is biased. Because you make up pure lies and myths like "he was special from the start" when he has never been special. Or are you talking about that under-16 youth tournament? Seriously, get real.

[Showtime]

He also dominated Tony Parker in a Eurobasket game this summer...at 18 years old.
Isn't that the game where Parker was coming off an ankle injury?

[joe]

Your post totally lacks logic. What you fail to grasp is that the NBA is only a little bit better than the Euroleague. The Olympics are no better than the EuroBasket. So there is no reason why Team USA guards should dominate him if he was hyped up. Plenty of Euroleague point guards would have played much better than he did under the same scenario.

It's just more media hype that would suggest that Rubio is unique among Euroleague point guards that could play decently against Team USA. It's actually laughable.

You say the Euroleague is only slightly worse than the NBA, but then take great issue with the hype one of its best point guards is receiving. Which one of us is illogical?

Your argument is like, "I think McDonald's is the best fast-food place ever, but Burger King is right behind them and almost equally delicious. WHY DOES EVERYONE LOVE THE WHOPPER."

I just don't see how that build-up led to that conclusion. Seriously, I'm confused.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Quit trolling.

If he is an average PG like you said, how come he is ranked SECOND (barely out of first ) in ranking per minute amongst point guards?

Really, who is a better point guard in Europe over him? Just like week he easily outplayed Terrel Mcintyre who was the best pg in europe last year (euroleague first team)

First of all ranking does not really mean much of anything. That stat does not really mean jack squat. And anyone with even the slightest basketball knowledge knows that. Secondly, you keep citing per minute stats.

You want some stats........

Ricky Rubio Euroleague stats for this year:

38.1 FG%
33.3 3 PT FG%

6.4 Points Per Game
3.4 Rebounds Per game
5.4 Assists Per Game

1.4 Steals Per Game
1.8 Turnovers Per Game

Yeah he's "special". I agree that he runs a team well (although nowhere near as well as you claim) and he is a very good defender (although in the NBA the rules won't let him play that way).

He is that type of player with his production, with a good job directing a team and good defense. That has never ever been considered "special" in the Euroleague. He's absolutely an AVERAGE level Euroleague point guard and there are plenty of point guards in the Euroleague that are more productive than he is. It's absolutely absurd for you to even suggest he's the best point guard in the Euroleague. But that's my point, you and all these Rubio agents keep making up lies and myths about this guy, creating this false hype about him.

I bet after he plays one NBA game the Rubio homers will be proclaiming him better than Stockton.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

It's well known that the biggest Greek teams routinely overpay their players - particularly Greek ones. It's almost a case of "money doesn't matter" when they want someone for one reason or another.

And how is Barca any different? It's not. It's well known they overpaid for Rubio the same way. So what is your point? What about Baskonia, a Spanish club paying 8.5 million euros for a 15 year old Croatian prospect and his name is not Rubio. What about that? Where are the endless barrages of US media hype articles about him? Where are the message boards flooded with posts about him?

[Lakas Fan Yo]

You say the Euroleague is only slightly worse than the NBA, but then take great issue with the hype one of its best point guards is receiving. Which one of us is illogical?

Your argument is like, "I think McDonald's is the best fast-food place ever, but Burger King is right behind them and almost equally delicious. WHY DOES EVERYONE LOVE THE WHOPPER."

I just don't see how that build-up led to that conclusion. Seriously, I'm confused.

Rubio is not one of the best point guards in the Euroleague. That's the point. It's very simple. You are basing your opinion on pure hype. You believe things that people post in this thread which are pure lies. Rubio is NOT one of the best point guards in the Euroleague. Even with a casual knowledge of the Euroleague you would know that.

[joe]

Rubio is not one of the best point guards in the Euroleague. That's the point. It's very simple. You are basing your opinion on pure hype. You believe things that people post in this thread which are pure lies. Rubio is NOT one of the best point guards in the Euroleague. Even with a casual knowledge of the Euroleague you would know that.


Can you post some stats of the other Euroleague point guards who you say are out producing him? FYI, I'm not saying those players don't exist. I just want to see the numbers.

[DJ Leon Smith]

The media can't create the fact that he looked solid against Team USA. With an injury. In the Olympic Gold Medal game. This wasn't some scrimmage where Chris Paul was going to take it easy on him, it was for the whole pot and Rubio held his own.

He didn't dominate, he didn't even have a standout game at all if you check the stats. But if you watch the game he looked like he fit in with the competition, and every now and then you saw flashes of his potential.

If he was as overhyped as you think he is, Chris Paul and Deron Williams should've been ball-hawking him and pressuring him every time up the court. They should've exposed him. But they didn't.

If the last Olympics vs Team USA is what you're basing your judgement on, then there should be more hype for Patty Mills than Rubio.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Roundball_Rock:

"It's the media maaann. They want you to believe Jordan is the GOAT, but he ain't maaaannn. They're getting inside your brain, its all marketing maann."

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Post of the year ... haha

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Can you post some stats of the other Euroleague point guards who you say are out producing him? FYI, I'm not saying those players don't exist. I just want to see the numbers.

Here are Rubio's stats and the stats of the other rotation point guards in the Euroleague. Rubio's Euroleague stats are not "special" regardless of what his fan boys claim.


Ricky Rubio's Euroleague stats:

22.3 MPG 38% FG 6.4 PPG 3.4 RPG 5.4 APG 1.4 SPG


Other Euroleague Rotation Point Guards' stats:


Morris Finley

34.1 MPG 41% FG 14.8 PPG 3.2 RPG 2.2 APG 2.0 SPG

David Logan

38.4 MPG 47% FG 16.2 PPG 3.2 RPG 2.6 APG 1.6 SPG

Bobby Dixon

31.5 MPG 51% FG 15.4 PPG 2.6 RPG 3.8 APG 1.2 SPG

Marcelos Huertas

23.1 MPG 60% FG 14.3 PPG 2.3 RPG 2.3 APG 0.3 SPG

Carlos Cabezas

24.7 MPG 50% FG 11.4 PPG 2.4 RPG 2.4 APG 0.6 SPG

Jamont Gordon

30.3 MPG 40% FG 9.2 PPG 3.6 RPG 3.8 APG 2.6 SPG

JR Holden

34.0 MPG 32% FG 10.3 PPG 3.3 RPG 1.3 APG 1.5 SPG

Zoran Planinic

21.7 MPG 48% FG 7.6 PPG 2.8 RPG 0.6 APG 1.2 SPG

Cedrick Banks

29.0 MPG 41% FG 12.4 PPG 3.2 RPG 1.0 APG 1.6 SPG

Jekel Foster

33.4 MPG 39% FG 15.2 PPG 3.2 RPG 3.4 APG 1.4 SPG

Lynn Greer

22.8 MPG 21% FG 10.2 PPG 1.0 RPG 2.8 APG 1.6 SPG

Bojan Popovich

32.7 MPG 41% FG 11.2 PPG 2.4 RPG 5.6 APG 2.0 SPG

Ibby Jaaber

34.4 MPG 41% FG 13.6 PPG 4.8 RPG 3.4 APG 2.8 SPG

Andrew Wisniewski

33.1 MPG 50% FG 12.8 PPG 2.2 RPG 4.2 APG 1.4 SPG

Chuck Eidson

31.9 MPG 43% FG 11.8 PPG 3.8 RPG 3.0 APG 2.4 SPG

Doron Perkins

17.0 MPG 62% FG 8.0 PPG 2.8 RPG 2.6 APG 1.0 SPG

Billy Keys

33.9 MPG 38% FG 10.2 PPG 2.4 RPG 3.0 APG 1.6 SPG

Marios Batis

19.1 MPG 67% FG 6.0 PPG 2.3 RPG 0.5 APG 1.5 SPG

Terrell McIntyre

25.8 MPG 49% FG 11.8 PPG 2.0 RPG 6.2 APG 2.2 SPG

Nikos Zisis

18.6 MPG 32% FG 6.0 PPG 0.4 RPG 1.8 APG 0.2 SPG

Patrick Beverly

17.6 MPG 64% FG 5.2 PPG 3.0 RPG 1.2 APG 1.0 SPG

Milos Teodosic

22.5 MPG 53% FG 10.4 PPG 1.6 RPG 3.0 APG 1.0 SPG

Theo Papaloukas

21.3 MPG 50% FG 5.0 PPG 1.0 RPG 5.5 APG 1.5 SPG

Nick Calathes

15.7 MPG 32% FG 3.4 PPG 2.2 RPG 2.6 APG 0.2 SPG

Vassilis Spanoulis

21.4 MPG 48% FG 10.8 PPG 2.0 RPG 4.6 APG 1.2 SPG

Dimitrios Diamantidis

25.1 MPG 61% FG 10.8 PPG 3.2 RPG 3.2 APG 1.4 SPG

Bo McCalebb

29.7 MPG 59% FG 15.0 PPG 2.2 RPG 4.0 APG 1.2 SPG

Sergio Llull

19.4 MPG 70% FG 9.6 PPG 2.2 RPG 3.4 APG 1.8 SPG

Pablo Prigioni

25.9 MPG 50% FG 6.8 PPG 2.4 RPG 3.8 APG 1.6 SPG

Jaka Lakovic

13.9 MPG 55% FG 6.8 PPG 1.0 RPG 1.0 APG 0.0 SPG

Victor Sada

13.4 MPG 19% FG 1.6 PPG 1.4 RPG 2.0 APG 0.4 SPG

Omar Cook

26.5 MPG 63% FG 8.2 PPG 1.4 RPG 6.6 APG 0.8 SPG

Sani Becirovic

29.8 MPG 40% FG 13.2 PPG 3.2 RPG 3.8 APG 1.2 SPG

Mantas Kalnietis

34.6 MPG 47% FG 8.6 PPG 2.4 RPG 4.8 APG 1.2 SPG

Bryan Bailey (one game)

29.4 MPG 63% FG 12.0 PPG 2.0 RPG 2.0 APG 1.0 SPG

Sarunas Jasikevicius (has not played yet this year - last year's stats for comparison):

20.1 MPG 45% FG 9.6 PPG 1.5 RPG 3.0 APG 0.6 SPG

[Thugnificent]

Roundball_Rock:

"It's the media maaann. They want you to believe Jordan is the GOAT, but he ain't maaaannn. They're getting inside your brain, its all marketing maann."

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I think I love you:roll:

Also: David Logan is more of an SG then PG.

[Jinxed]

If you are going to use box score stats..why pick and choose your stats?

Just use the RANKING..Ricky Rubio is ranked 31st Overall in the euroleague in ranking..but 17th when adjusted for minutes played...and one of the best point guards in BOTH measures..

And I don't even like Ranking that much..I'm an adj +/- guy because I think what Rubio does better than anyone is run a team, like the way Stockton did and Kidd does now. The stuff that doesn't show up in the box score..

Anyway..FC Barcelona is going to walk away with the Euroleague crown and Rubio may just make an all euroleague team.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

I think I love you:roll:

Also: David Logan is more of an SG then PG.

David Logan is definitely a shoot first, score first guard. However the position he plays in the Euroleague is point guard. So since he plays that position, he's listed at the position he plays.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

If you are going to use box score stats..why pick and choose your stats?

Just use the RANKING..Ricky Rubio is ranked 31st Overall in the euroleague in ranking..but 17th when adjusted for minutes played...and one of the best point guards in BOTH measures..

And I don't even like Ranking that much..I'm an adj +/- guy because I think what Rubio does better than anyone is run a team, like the way Stockton did and Kidd does now. The stuff that doesn't show up in the box score..

Anyway..FC Barcelona is going to walk away with the Euroleague crown and Rubio may just make an all euroleague team.

The ranking stat does not mean much of anything. It's a geek stat and not a very good one. Actually it's quite a flawed stat based on how incredibly biased it is towards big men and to players that don't create their own shot, don't have to be the main scorer of their team, and other such factors. If that stat was what you claim it is then someone like Shawn Marion would be a superstar because it's a stat made for those kind of players. It's nothing at all a player rank stat as you are claiming it is.

First you are the one who is picking and choosing stats - any geek stat you can find since you know how average Rubio's stats really are. Secondly, you can't be serious basing players solely on that ranking. I know for 100% that in Europe only little kids and the most extreme fan boys base players on that stat. No one with actual basketball knowledge actually ranks players based on that stat, which is what you are doing. It's a useful stat but far from being a stat that officially ranks players.

Rubio cannot shoot and he cannot score. Yet he can get away with not having to score or shoot on his team. Also he never has to create his own offense or shoot difficult shots. Almost every shot he gets is basically wide open. Your little ranking stat does not factor in or figure for that. But then again you would actually have to have seen Rubio play a Euroleague game to know that. Which I know you never have even though you said you did. Because if you really did see him play you would already know he simply can't shoot or score. But despite this you keep asserting he's the best point guard in the Euroleague. Yeah and Rafer Alston (who is even a much better shooter and scorer than Rubio) is also the best point guard in the NBA.

"Barcelona is going to walk away with the Euroleague crown"... all last year it was "Barca or Olympiacos will win". Neither of them won. Besides Barca had a better team last year. But keep convincing yourself that Barca, a team that features Lorbek, Navarro and Mickeal as its best players can win the Euroleague. I can't even remember a team that won the championship being led with players on that level.

[Cermet]

he dominated when he played in the youth or something league. He was ahead of everyone. But now he is in the euroleague or would have been in the NBA. This is completely different Euroleague and NBA are stuffed with very good players. So maybe he was dominant in his junior or something league but now its a mans game and he must adjust. So give him few years and I think he will grow up in to a very good player.

[Yuki Nagato]

A 19 years old kid who average more assists than 99% of european PG playing 10 less minutes.

Lakas Fan Yo "the expert" and his habitual agenda.

[artificial]

Lakas, just out of curiosity, in what country do you live?

[Hyman]

It has been said over and over that all this hype in the US about Rubio "playing professionally" at age 14-15 was mostly just a media creation in the US. This whole myth being created that this was something totally one of a kind and extraordinary is something that both NBA and Spanish League fans (American fan boys and Spanish homers) have used to an extreme to propagate this myth that this proved Rubio was something unique and unheard of and "the best European talent ever", which is a joke.

Despite numerous other European fans trying to explain that there really is not something so unique about this, no NBA fan boys believe it. All they believe is the hype machine from US media and from Spain. Just like no matter how many times it is explained that Rubio is averaging 6 and 5 on poor shooting in the Euroleague (and that is by far his career year so far to boot), 90% of NBA fan boys repeat this fantasy myth "Rubio dominates Europe". If anyone questions this they get the "he is injured" or "he is just a kid" excuses. Well those are starting to run out. He would be a college sophomore if he was an American player so he's not THAT young to be making such excuses. And he's not injured at all as he is 100% healthy, so the injury excuse that was used by all NBA fan boys and Spanish homers as the excuse for his bad play in the Euroleague last year won't fly. And all the "those are good stats for Europe" lies don't fly either. Because actually, no, he has nothing better than average stats in the Euroleague overall and that is it.

Well, part of this hype and myth NBA fans believe is that draftexpress knows what they are talking about. Even though largely they are wrong on mostly everything they say regarding European basketball, nonetheless, NBA fans are under a delusion that they are "legit" about European basketball (they aren't though). So since NBA fans give "credence" to draftexpress they can read it from them directly and then the excuses and lies posted by NBA fan boys and Spanish homers about Rubio, like calling any European fan questioning the hype reported about Rubio, "liars", won't work this time. Since they themselves use draftexpress, another fan boy site, to get most of their European basketball "knowledge" from anyway they can read the truth here:

http://www.draftexpress.com/blog/International-Blog/#European-Roundup-High-Expectations-for-Vesely-3344

15-year Old Breaks Greek League Age Record

After 14-year old Edvinas Seskus of Rudupis Prienai broke the first division Lithuanian league record by being the youngest player to ever enter a game last week, 15-year old Alexandros Aggelakos accomplished the same feat in the ultra physical and competitive Greek league on Saturday. This, according to European basketball website TalkBasket.net.


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Once again, all this hype about Rubio is mostly just that - hype. But if anyone dares question all this insane hype about Rubio you automatically get the "he played in ACB at 14-15 and that proves he is the best ever European talent" and "no one else in European history can play pro ball at such a young age" and blah, blah, blah.

And then if you bring up other examples the hype machine liars use the old "but ACB is a good league and the others in Europe suck". Well again since these fan boys put so much trust in their fan boy site draftexpress, read this excerpt again.............

15-year old Alexandros Aggelakos accomplished the same feat in the ultra physical and competitive Greek league on Saturday.

And also Panagiotis Yiannakis played in the old original Greek League professionally at age 13. Yes at age THIRTEEN. Again, the hype that Rubio is some kind of European basketball savant, a one of a kind, unheard of Mozart of basketball is pure nonsense.

But again if a European fan brings up such things they are called a "liar" by the NBA fan boys, the fake European fans, and the Spanish homers. Bottom line is the hype about Rubio is out of control. This just highlights how much he is a media creation. When other players do the same thing as him no one and I mean NO ONE in the US or Europe hears a word about it. And players playing at a young age is nothing new in Europe. All the "he played Euroleague at age 16" hype.............

Players that played at young ages (18 and under) in the Euroleague just off the top of my head:

Sani Becirovic at 18
Nikos Zisis at 17

I am sure there are numerous other ones, it's just that those two guys just come to mind. Mainly they come to mind because they played at the same position as Rubio. Because one of the other hyped up myths is that "there has never been another European point guard that could play Euroleague as a teenager." So that just makes it stand out even more, for being just more myths and hype. How many NBA fans have ever heard of Becirovic or Zisis? Now compare that to Rubio's hype. How much hype was created in the US by Slam Magazine, ESPN, and Sports Illustrated when Zisis (also a European point guard) played in the Euroleague at age 17? Where were the "Zisis is the new Pistol Pete" and "Zisis is the new Drazen" articles at?


And all this big deal being made right now this season about how "Rubio plays Euroleague at age 19 and that is unheard of in Europe".............yeah well Brandon Jennings played about the same minutes as Rubio plays last year in the Euroleague at age 19, Kostas Papanikolaou is 19 and plays in the Euroleague on just as big or maybe even a bigger club than Rubio plays on, Jan Vesely is 19 and plays in the Euroleague, and so forth. So again, nothing incredibly amazing or unusual about this. How many NBA fans have ever heard of Vesely or Papanikolaou? Now compare that to this insane Rubio hype. Now Papanikolaou is just a rotation player in some games and does not play in some others and Vesely plays on a much weaker team than Rubio.

But the point stands, there is nothing incredible or amazing about Rubio just because he plays 20 minutes a game in the Euroleague at age 19. It's just hype.

You havent watch Ricky Rubio play never

Im a Barcelona fan, I've seen all the matches from this year and Ricky Rubio is just amazing. He is not a scorer, but he has with 19 years the best passing ability in Europe. When he plays, Barcelona's game gets just another dimension and the step forward the team has done this season is just because his presence at the point guard

Ricky Rubio is nowadays better than Jaka Lakovic has ever been. Lakovic was a star at a poor Panathinaikos team, and he is just so inferior to Rubio nowadays

Rubio is playing probably in the best team in Europe at the moment. And his efficiency points this season at Euroleague are higher than your beloved Spanoulis, Navarro, Papaloukas and Childress! And he is playing 22 minutes per game only

He is at the moment the second Barcelona player with more efficiency points both in Spanish League and Euroleague, and he is barely playing 20 minutes per match

You really have no idea what you are talking about. Rubio is just giving another dimension to Barcelona. I bet he will end the season being in best team of the season at Euroleague

[Hyman]

Barcelona fans are delighted with Rubio. He has had an incredible impact on the team

Playing 20 minutes per game he is having more efficiency points in Euroleague than stars like Spanoulis, Navarro or Papaloukas

I am a Barcelona fan and I've watched every Bar

[Hyman]

I've seen almost every single one of Ricky's games this season, both in the ACB and in the Euroleague.

His team, FC Barcelona is undefeated in the Euroleague and is 9-1 in the ACB. With their only loss coming down to the very end. I won't say that's all due to Ricky, Barca is pretty much an all star team, but I will say that whenever Rubio's at the helm they are crushing the opposing team. I wish they kept +/- stats over in Europe..I'm sure Ricky's would be astronomical. He does the things that don't show up in the traditional box score. Making the extra pass, running the offense to perfection, and playing great D.

Yet despite this his box score stats are pretty good..The euroleague does a Ranking stat..which is similar to NBA efficiency..adding up pts,rbs,assts..subtracting TO's and missed shots etc

Rubio ranks 17th in the league in per minute ranking and second amongst PG's..to Diamontidis..

Your Lover Spanoulis is 18th.

http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics/individual/per-minute

Let's be honest here. You are Greek. You are a greek homer. You dislike the Spanish. It must kill you that FC Barcelona is DESTROYING the Euroleague this year.

Thats the only truth. I am a Barcelona fan and when Rubio is on court the team has just another dimension

Rubio is a serious contender to enter at the end of the season in the 1st best team of Euroleague. With 19 years he owns Lakovic who was a star at Panathinaikos

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Clearly, Hyman is one of Rubio's agents. He should be a politician. He may even be Rubio himself.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

A 19 years old kid who average more assists than 99% of european PG playing 10 less minutes.

Lakas Fan Yo "the expert" and his habitual agenda.


Your math is wrong. And there is more to playing than just passing. I suppose you believe Marc Jackson was the greatest ever NBA point guard.

[Yuki Nagato]

Your math is wrong. And there is more to playing than just passing. I suppose you believe Marc Jackson was the greatest ever NBA point guard.

He wasn't a scrub, which is what we are talking about. Actually you're the only one insisting that Rubio is a bad player and bad PG because he doesn't shoot well. By the same logic of yours, I suppose you believe Jason Kidd is a overrated and mediocre point guard, huh?

[Lakas Fan Yo]

He wasn't a scrub, which is what we are talking about. Actually you're the only one insisting that Rubio is a bad player and bad PG because he doesn't shoot well. By the same logic of yours, I suppose you believe Jason Kidd is a overrated and mediocre point guard, huh?

If Jason Kidd was incapable of shooting entirely (yes even he's that much better than Rubio) and could not score and was not that great of a rebounder as he is and was, then obviously he would not have been the same Jason Kidd. You lack basic logic. You also either have never watched Rubio play or you are another Spanish homer. This forum is flooded with them.

And I said Rubio is an AVERAGE Euroleague player. YOU make up a lie that I called him a "bad" player. Typical tactics and antics of fan boys and homers.

[bagelred]

Does Ricky Rubio even exist? Think about it...has anyone actually seen Ricky Rubio play? I didn't think so....


It's kinda like Al Quada.....just a media creation. :rockon:

[Go Getter]

If Rubio was as good as the hype he would have stayed here after the Wolves met his demands....any player of the highest grade wants to test his skills against the best.

I think Rubio knew that he wasn't ready and decided to take a little more time to develop....I don't see him as ever being a top 5 PG in the league he's too slow, has no jump in his jumpshot, and while he is flashy...c'mon now I saw the highlights ANY pro PG in America can do those moves and passes lol.

Will Bynum didn't get drafted and went overseas and did better than Rubio is doing...what does that say?

[bagelred]

If Rubio was as good as the hype he would have stayed here after the Wolves met his demands....any player of the highest grade wants to test his skills against the best.


Or maybe he just wanted to make a lot of money, not leave his friends and famiy, be treated as a God, enjoy the hot women, the beautiful weather and not go to play for rookie scale pay on a horrible team in the small town of cold Minnesota in the middle of nowhere in a foreign country all alone.

Sometimes things are pretty simple.......

[sergiorodriguez]

Ricky Rubio regularly airballs wide open jumpshots, sometimes ones even as close as 18 footers, this kid is a true overrated joke.

[AlThornton]

The reason why Rubio is such a special player and why he is so hyped is because of these things.....

1) His passing skills are out of this world, vision and anticipation of where his teammates are is extraordinary. Only guy right now that is on his level is Nash.

2) His Basketball IQ is incredible, he has a Bird like mind at PG.

3) His pesky defense is just a pleasure to watch. He gets in the opposing PG's face and makes him make quick decisions with the ball time and time again. Keeps the opposing PG uncomfortable.

4) Playing professionally at such a young age and fitting in and sometimes excelling.



Sure he has some weaknesses like terrible shooting mechanics, and very little strength. Strength he will get fixed, not so sure how good of a shooter he will end up but you don't need to be a good shooter at PG in the NBA to be successful. Especially when you have other qualities like Rubio posses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2Pv5fHzP5Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSBLKrZCkeU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12FOZsjWxwk

[Poodle]

This is how i feel. I mean someone this hyped you'd think would be dominating in whatever league he's playing in and his numbers are pathetically average. Its unbelievable how much Rubio hype i read.

[Hyman]

How can an average european player be with 19 years old and 20 minutes per game, statistically the second best player of Barcelona in efficiency points, both in Euroleague and Spanish ACB?

Yes, more tha your beloved Spanoulis or Papaloukas, playing in a team where theres at least, the same competition

[Lakas Fan Yo]

The reason why Rubio is such a special player and why he is so hyped is because of these things.....

1) His passing skills are out of this world, vision and anticipation of where his teammates are is extraordinary. Only guy right now that is on his level is Nash.

2) His Basketball IQ is incredible, he has a Bird like mind at PG.

3) His pesky defense is just a pleasure to watch. He gets in the opposing PG's face and makes him make quick decisions with the ball time and time again. Keeps the opposing PG uncomfortable.

4) Playing professionally at such a young age and fitting in and sometimes excelling.



Sure he has some weaknesses like terrible shooting mechanics, and very little strength. Strength he will get fixed, not so sure how good of a shooter he will end up but you don't need to be a good shooter at PG in the NBA to be successful. Especially when you have other qualities like Rubio posses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2Pv5fHzP5Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSBLKrZCkeU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12FOZsjWxwk

I know you don't watch Rubio's games. Either that or you are another Spanish homer. Or you base everything on youtube highlights. C'mon man.......he is not as good of a passer as Nash. I don't think he has Nash's court vision either. He definitely does not have Bird's IQ.

This is just all more evidence to me that the Rubio hype machine is insane. I have been watching this guy for the last few years and he is not and never ever never will be comparable to someone like Nash.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

How can an average european player be with 19 years old and 20 minutes per game, statistically the second best player of Barcelona in efficiency points, both in Euroleague and Spanish ACB?

Yes, more tha your beloved Spanoulis or Papaloukas, playing in a team where theres at least, the same competition


The ranking stat is not a legit stat. If the ranking stat was what you say it is then why the hell is Navarro the MVP of the Euroleague season last year? He's one of the least efficient stars in the Euroleague by a long shot. If ranking is what you say it is then why in freaking hell did Diamantidis win the playoff MVP in 2007 with nothing more than average numbers in your little ranking geek stat? Simple. Because the ranking stat has nothing at all to do with rating players or how they performed overall. You remind of the NBA fans that would think guys like Shawn Marion were superstars because of some geek stat.

You know there are actually metric stats for the Euroleague too, but I bet you don't even know that means. It just shows more and more with all your posts that you are a fan boy/Spanish homer, or more likely not even Spanish at all. Hey why don't you tell NBA fans that the best NBA players are based SOLELY on their hockey stat and why don't you start a thread on that.

[Hyman]

The ranking stat is not a legit stat. If the ranking stat was what you say it is then why the hell is Navarro the MVP of the Euroleague season last year? He's one of the least efficient stars in the Euroleague by a long shot. If ranking is what you say it is then why in freaking hell did Diamantidis win the playoff MVP in 2007 with nothing more than average numbers in your little ranking geek stat? Simple. Because the ranking stat has nothing at all to do with rating players or how they performed overall. You remind of the NBA fans that would think guys like Shawn Marion were superstars because of some geek stat.

You know there are actually metric stats for the Euroleague too, but I bet you don't even know that means. It just shows more and more with all your posts that you are a fan boy/Spanish homer, or more likely not even Spanish at all. Hey why don't you tell NBA fans that the best NBA players are based SOLELY on their hockey stat and why don't you start a thread on that.

Rubio's impact in the game is much bigger than the stats show. Is totally the oppositte of what you say. Just as Papaloukas or Diamantidis, they are players who by their style of play will never be friends of statistics

[OhNoTimNoSho]

So I don't understand, is he good or not?

[R.I.P.]

[QUOTE=chains5000]If he's an average point guard, why did Bar

[Go Getter]

Or maybe he just wanted to make a lot of money, not leave his friends and famiy, be treated as a God, enjoy the hot women, the beautiful weather and not go to play for rookie scale pay on a horrible team in the small town of cold Minnesota in the middle of nowhere in a foreign country all alone.

Sometimes things are pretty simple.......

1. Lol...he wasn't making that much coin in Spain...do you know what his contract was?
2. The US has the most beautiful women in the world hands down sorry.
3. NBA players are more recognizable worldwide than whatever league he plays in....um, why do you think Pau Gasol went to the Grizz? Why do you think euro league suck so much?

-Because the best ball is played in the US [and our players make the most coin
-We get the best of the euro players to play here because of the comp and coin.

4. There is no guarantee that the Wolves ever trade his rights so if he wants to ever come back he has to deal with them anyway.
5. The NBA season is only a few months and 41 games are on the road...if he's that ***** that living in Minny was too much for him then what can I say.
6. Plenty of foreign players come to the league and do well in small markets....it's only his rookie contract...he would have made more money and imporoved more if he would have gone to the NBA.

[Poodle]

Rubio's impact in the game is much bigger than the stats show. Is totally the oppositte of what you say. Just as Papaloukas or Diamantidis, they are players who by their style of play will never be friends of statistics


thats bullcrap. Name me a great NBA player superstar who doesn't show up in the box scores. Either you make stuff happen or you finish them.

[artificial]

1. Lol...he wasn't making that much coin in Spain...do you know what his contract was?
2. The US has the most beautiful women in the world hands down sorry.
3. NBA players are more recognizable worldwide than whatever league he plays in....um, why do you think Pau Gasol went to the Grizz? Why do you think euro league suck so much?

-Because the best ball is played in the US [and our players make the most coin
-We get the best of the euro players to play here because of the comp and coin.

4. There is no guarantee that the Wolves ever trade his rights so if he wants to ever come back he has to deal with them anyway.
5. The NBA season is only a few months and 41 games are on the road...if he's that ***** that living in Minny was too much for him then what can I say.
6. Plenty of foreign players come to the league and do well in small markets....it's only his rookie contract...he would have made more money and imporoved more if he would have gone to the NBA.
While the NBA is indeed the best basketball league in the NBA, you overrate greatly the US.

The best players in the NBA are indeed played a lot of $$, but average to bottom players? Check the euro - dollar rate.



And lastly, US the most beautiful women in the world? :oldlol: :oldlol: No f*cking way. But that line did make me laugh. With all due respect, the average american woman is fat, and that is only to begin.

[Jinxed]

thats bullcrap. Name me a great NBA player superstar who doesn't show up in the box scores. Either you make stuff happen or you finish them.

The problem with the NBA is that we are superstars off what we see in the box score. But our superstars are not necessarily the best players.

[Hyman]

thats bullcrap. Name me a great NBA player superstar who doesn't show up in the box scores. Either you make stuff happen or you finish them.

Rubio is the second best PG in euroleague in efficiency per 40 minutes

But what Lakas says that the stats show more than he does is totally contrary. He is more of a defensive player, who shoots very little to basketball and that has outstanding playmaking skills. In Europe the recived fouls count for the efficiency points, and Rubio is not a player that goes to the line oftenly.

He has a much bigger impact in the game than the stats show. The same as for example Diamantidis or Papaloukas, who rarely get outstanding stats and they are still the best PG playing at Europe. Nono of them is a scorer or an offensive player. They just make their teammates better. Rubio is this kind of guy. Only that he combines the great playmaking skills of Papaloukas and the great defense of Diamantidis. And he's only 19 years old. If he can improve his shot, to be an average shooter, being able to score when they are alone from the 3 point line, he will be a superstar. If he can get the average shot of Jason Kidd, he has no limits. Calderon wasnt at all a good shooter at Europe and he has developed into a good one. If Ricky Rubio can develop not into a good one, but an average one, the future is hims

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Rubio is the second best PG in euroleague in efficiency per 40 minutes

But what Lakas says that the stats show more than he does is totally contrary. He is more of a defensive player, who shoots very little to basketball and that has outstanding playmaking skills. In Europe the recived fouls count for the efficiency points, and Rubio is not a player that goes to the line oftenly.

He has a much bigger impact in the game than the stats show. The same as for example Diamantidis or Papaloukas, who rarely get outstanding stats and they are still the best PG playing at Europe. Nono of them is a scorer or an offensive player. They just make their teammates better. Rubio is this kind of guy. Only that he combines the great playmaking skills of Papaloukas and the great defense of Diamantidis. And he's only 19 years old. If he can improve his shot, to be an average shooter, being able to score when they are alone from the 3 point line, he will be a superstar. If he can get the average shot of Jason Kidd, he has no limits. Calderon wasnt at all a good shooter at Europe and he has developed into a good one. If Ricky Rubio can develop not into a good one, but an average one, the future is hims

Rubio, Papaloukas, Diamantidis - none of them is the best point guard in Europe. Give it a rest already.

Spanoulis and McIntyre are better than all three of them and better EASILY. And Diamantidis and especially Papaloukas are both better than Rubio is anyway.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

So I don't understand, is he good or not?

No, he's not good. He's an average level Euroleague/EuroBasket player. He is considered good for his age, NOT for his level compared to other players he competes against.

Which is why he is the most over hyped and overrated player of all time. Because he is promoted as being the best European player to ever live and as you can see this board is flooded with people trying to claim he is the best point guard and best player in the Euroleague.

When in fact he's just an average player.

[bagelred]

2. The US has the most beautiful women in the world hands down sorry.


:roll: :roll: :roll:



http://www.reallybored.net/m_pictures/3.jpg

[DukeDelonte13]

While the NBA is indeed the best basketball league in the NBA, you overrate greatly the US.

The best players in the NBA are indeed played a lot of $$, but average to bottom players? Check the euro - dollar rate.



And lastly, US the most beautiful women in the world? :oldlol: :oldlol: No f*cking way. But that line did make me laugh. With all due respect, the average american woman is fat, and that is only to begin.


WTF are you talking about mayne?

I am a dual citizen, American girls are far hotter, european girls are far hairier. Euro girls are sluttier though.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

WTF are you talking about mayne?

I am a dual citizen, American girls are far hotter, european girls are far hairier. Euro girls are sluttier though.

Having lived in Europe and US I disagree. American girls are much too fake looking in general. An average American girl is fake hair, fake boobs, fake tan, fake teeth, fake nails, etc.

European girls are much more natural and much more attractive in general. I mean Sweden, Italy, Baltic regions and places like that have way better looking women than the US does.

[DukeDelonte13]

Having lived in Europe and US I disagree. American girls are much too fake looking in general. An average American girl is fake hair, fake boobs, fake tan, fake teeth, fake nails, etc.

European girls are much more natural and much more attractive in general. I mean Sweden, Italy, Baltic regions and places like that have way better looking women than the US does.


u are talking our of your ass. I've lived in both places too, there are just as many fake girls in europe trying to emulate what american girls look like.

[madmax]

Time will tell if that kid will live up to the hype...so far he's a main PG on the best team in Europe - and that tells a lot about him and his influence on the court. So quit trolling and stop clowning yourself already:banghead:

[Lakas Fan Yo]

u are talking our of your ass. I've lived in both places too, there are just as many fake girls in europe trying to emulate what american girls look like.

If you polled people that have lived in both places I assure you that you would be in the very small minority.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Time will tell if that kid will live up to the hype...so far he's a main PG on the best team in Europe - and that tells a lot about him and his influence on the court. So quit trolling and stop clowning yourself already:banghead:

The best team in Europe? He plays on a team that has not won a championship in Euroleague since 2003. It's a little early to claim them the "best team in Europe". But let me guess, you heard that he played on the "best team in Europe" from another hyped up media article or another fan boy on a message board right?

[madmax]

The best team in Europe? He plays on a team that has not won a championship in Euroleague since 2003. It's a little early to claim them the "best team in Europe". But let me guess, you heard that he played on the "best team in Europe" from another hyped up media article or another fan boy on a message board right?

just to make things clear - I'm from Europe and I watch plenty of Euro ball...including Euroleague and the team like Barcelona. So far they look like they play the best basketball and their results back it up. You can troll all you want here, where there are mainly american posters, but you're not kidding anyone familiar with Euroleague:lol

[Lakas Fan Yo]

just to make things clear - I'm from Europe and I watch plenty of Euro ball...including Euroleague and the team like Barcelona. So far they look like they play the best basketball and their results back it up. You can troll all you want here, where there are mainly american posters, but you're not kidding anyone familiar with Euroleague:lol

Of course you are from Europe. You can tell immediately that you are a Rubio homer. You guys have no transparency at all. You don't say things like "on the best team in Europe" to describe a team that has not won a Euroleague title since 2003 and is still in the FIRST phase of the year this season, unless you are another person creating this false hype.

Try to be a little more tactful.

[Go Getter]

While the NBA is indeed the best basketball league in the NBA, you overrate greatly the US.

The best players in the NBA are indeed played a lot of $$, but average to bottom players? Check the euro - dollar rate.



And lastly, US the most beautiful women in the world? :oldlol: :oldlol: No f*cking way. But that line did make me laugh. With all due respect, the average american woman is fat, and that is only to begin.


So, by your logic, Rubio would have been one of the best PG's in the league and thus would get paid way better here than in Spain....that is if he is really as good as the euro's [no offense] say he is.

I don't think America has the most beautiful women for any other reason than we have people from all over the globe...our country is one of the most diverse in the world and ppl take planes, boats, rafts, cars, and whatever means they can to be citizens of my great country.

*forgive me I am ex-military and it's war time you know?*

Yeah we have some ugly women too but I've been to Europe and some of the women have pretty bad teeth, don't use D.O., and have hairy bodies yuck-nasty!

Look uys I don't have any facts or figures on this it was just a joke/exaggeration....I was trying to say that everything Rubio wanted for his b ball career was HERE and if he really wanted to be the best basketball player possible he would have done it here.

I think Brandon Jennings was right when he said Rubio was over hyped [and he couldn't wait to play him].....I think Charley Rosen said the same thing.

Kids all hype.....Euro's act as if he's going to bring something to the league that Magic, Skiles, Stockton, Pistol Pete, Jackson, and Archibald never did [and better fyi].

[Lakas Fan Yo]

So, by your logic, Rubio would have been one of the best PG's in the league and thus would get paid way better here than in Spain....that is if he is really as good as the euro's [no offense] say he is.

I don't think America has the most beautiful women for any other reason than we have people from all over the globe...our country is one of the most diverse in the world and ppl take planes, boats, rafts, cars, and whatever means they can to be citizens of my great country.

*forgive me I am ex-military and it's war time you know?*

Yeah we have some ugly women too but I've been to Europe and some of the women have pretty bad teeth, don't use D.O., and have hairy bodies yuck-nasty!

First of all, Rubio makes more money by staying in Europe than he would have by coming to the NBA. Both now and career wise. Secondly, there are plenty of American women with bad hygiene. Stop promoting the Ugly American stereotype please.

[artificial]

So, by your logic, Rubio would have been one of the best PG's in the league and thus would get paid way better here than in Spain....that is if he is really as good as the euro's [no offense] say he is.

I don't think America has the most beautiful women for any other reason than we have people from all over the globe...our country is one of the most diverse in the world and ppl take planes, boats, rafts, cars, and whatever means they can to be citizens of my great country.

*forgive me I am ex-military and it's war time you know?*

Yeah we have some ugly women too but I've been to Europe and some of the women have pretty bad teeth, don't use D.O., and have hairy bodies yuck-nasty!
Nope. I never typed a single word about Rubio's basketball ability. Just about the (likely) reasons why he stayed in Spain.

Whether he can make it in the NBA or not, we'll all know when he goes and actually plays in it. Until then, it's all speculation and opinions.

I do agree USA's diversity is great. And I agree every country has beautiful and ugly women. That's why I brought up the average. Then again, taste in women is always subjective, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. But in general, american women aren't famous (worldwide) for being beautiful.

[Go Getter]

First of all, Rubio makes more money by staying in Europe than he would have by coming to the NBA. Both now and career wise. Secondly, there are plenty of American women with bad hygiene. Stop promoting the Ugly American stereotype please.


So at the end of Rubio's career he'll be richer than D Wills and CP3 [including endorsements]? If you have proof of this I'd like to read it. I don't think I believe that because in that case the best Euro players wouldn't come to the US en masse.

*Dude, who the **** are you talking to? I'm a grown ass man for one and I'll promote any stereotype I please...I know people have hygeine problems everywhere sheesh I was joking lighten up...

And not wearing D.O. or shaving is not a hygiene PROBLEM it's a preference, one which I do not look down upon.....I just don't necessarily like it.

[Go Getter]

Nope. I never typed a single word about Rubio's basketball ability. Just about the (likely) reasons why he stayed in Spain.

I do agree USA's diversity is great. And I agree every country has beautiful and ugly women. That's why I brought up the average. Then again, taste in women is always subjective, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. But in general, american women aren't famous (worldwide) for being beautiful.

Dude wrong again Asian businessmen are famous for coming to America and spending tons of money on big breasted blonde haired American Women.

Not saying it's right or I'm proud of it but we sell sex/images here and people want to come here...I have been overseas and talked to many soldiers from France, the UK, Saudi, Egypt, Russia and all of them have stories about the US and how they want to visit...just being honest.

Like I said I'm sure Spain has some gorgeous women I was joking because a guy said he wanted to go back to Spain for the women when there are beautiful women here.

[artificial]

Dude wrong again Asian businessmen are famous for coming to America and spending tons of money on big breasted blonde haired American Women.

Not saying it's right or I'm proud of it but we sell sex/images here and people want to come here...I have been overseas and talked to many soldiers from France, the UK, Saudi, Egypt, Russia and all of them have stories about the US and how they want to visit...just being honest.

Like I said I'm sure Spain has some gorgeous women I was joking because a guy said he wanted to go back to Spain for the women when there are beautiful women here.
Ok then, I think we'll agree to disagree.

I've been to the US personally, and besides that the people I've met from other countries (lots of japanese -some business men-, some european people) seem to agree with me that in general american women are rude and fat. Then again, I've rarely talked to soldiers, so I have to believe you there.

One more thing: I personally love women and don't care about nationalities, so if you so strongly insist that in America you have the finest women in the world, I'd love to meet proof :D

[Go Getter]

Ok then, I think we'll agree to disagree.

I've been to the US personally, and besides that the people I've met from other countries (lots of japanese -some business men-, some european people) seem to agree with me that in general american women are rude and fat. Then again, I've rarely talked to soldiers, so I have to believe you there.

One more thing: I personally love women and don't care about nationalities, so if you so strongly insist that in America you have the finest women in the world, I'd love to meet proof :D

1.) I would have to agree wholeheartedly that American women are mostly rude and fat, lol....to see hot girls on a regular basis you have to be in college or live in a major city and know the spots.

2.) My statement that America has the finest women is completely unfounded and was a joke only meant to tease whoever made the statement that Rubio went back to Spain for the women.

[artificial]

1.) I would have to agree wholeheartedly that American women are mostly rude and fat, lol....to see hot girls on a regular basis you have to be in college or live in a major city and know the spots.

2.) My statement that America has the finest women is completely unfounded and was a joke only meant to tease whoever made the statement that Rubio went back to Spain for the women.
1) Precisely my point.

2) :(

[Hyman]

America doesnt have the best women in the world at all

They can be lots of beautiful women, because its such a big country, but the average isnt at all high.

The reason is simple. In America there is a lot of mix of races, which lots of them arent at all good looking. For example native american isnt at all a good-looking race. Its very difficult to fin pure native americans being good looking. Examples of countries with a great population of native americans can be for example Peru, Bolivia, M

[Hyman]

Spanish people are believed to be the second sexiest in Europe after Italians. Again any other traditional white American guy (White Anglo Saxon Protestant) appears

http://www.thatsweird.net/news25.shtml

Maybe we know why Rubio took his decission. But who I dont understand is Jennings... Changing one of the most beautiful cities in the world (Roma), with sexy girls, nice weather and mediterranean way of life "la dolce vita" for Milwaukee? He must be crazy

[Nero Tulip]

A 19 years old kid who average more assists than 99% of european PG playing 10 less minutes.

Lakas Fan Yo "the expert" and his habitual agenda.


So....why exactly was there a need to continue the topic after this post? Enough said.

Lakas, even you admitted he's the third best player in FCB (he's arguably the second best), which at 19 is rather amazing considering how they dominated thus far.

On a lesser team like Panathinaikos the third best player would probably be Spanoulis for example.

And american women are in fact rather ugly on average. Asian americans are a lot uglier than asians, african americans are a lot uglier than africans, and european americans are certainly a lot uglier than europeans. Something to do with the food you eat I reckon.

[Go Getter]

I take full credit for the idoitic turn of this thread.

You cannot make a factual statement based on opinion/your personal perception.

The most beautiful women in the world are from wherever you think they are.

Lol@beauty coming from what you eat.....I heard that Europeans [esp the UK] eat trash...like their food is disgusting.....again, it is what I heard and not a fact just an opinion.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

So....why exactly was there a need to continue the topic after this post? Enough said.

Lakas, even you admitted he's the third best player in FCB (he's arguably the second best), which at 19 is rather amazing considering how they dominated thus far.

On a lesser team like Panathinaikos the third best player would probably be Spanoulis for example.

And american women are in fact rather ugly on average. Asian americans are a lot uglier than asians, african americans are a lot uglier than africans, and european americans are certainly a lot uglier than europeans. Something to do with the food you eat I reckon.

No way in hell is he the second best player on Barca.

Lorbek and Navarro are without any question better than him. After that you have Mickeal, Lakovic, Morris, Vazquez. You could argue that Lakovic is better than Rubio but regardless on that Mickeal is currently better than Rubio.

So he maybe maybe maybe in some situations is the third best player on Barca (like I said at the best generous scenario) but in all truth he is the 4th-5th best player on that team.

Mickeal
Navarro
Lorbek

Those are the three main players on that team and the best players on it and after that come Rubio and Lakovic. Depending on the way Barca is playing the game SOMETIMES Rubio is used more than Lorbek so in certain situations he can be the third most important player for them. But no way in hell is he as good a player as Lorbek is.

To say he might be the second best player on that team is absolutely ridiculous. As for Panathinaikos being a "lesser team" they have 2 of the last 3 Euroleague championships. Rubio's team, Barca, last won in 2003. Which clearly proves you don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about.


Oh, and for NBA fans here, just to show just how ridiculous and absurd these Rubio homers really are and how much they HYPE this guy, Rubio is the seventh scorer on his team. When was the last time someone claimed that the #7 scorer on a team is the second or best player (as Rubio fan boys are doing in this thread) on a team?

Yeah sure, it's perfectly normal for the #7 scorer of a team to be either the best or second best player on his team.

[Maga_1]

The only thing that the basketball fans need to know about Ricky is that he's got the best IQ level in Euroleague, and that's why he is a such a nice PG, cause he MAKES THE TEAM RUN.

Stats? Stats are important it's true, but sometimes players have to low is stats to make the team better (it's not a good example, but see Wade this year .. he makes the team win but he got lower stats).

Rubio will not make excellent stats in any season but he'll make the team better, wherever he plays.

[Hyman]

The only thing that the basketball fans need to know about Ricky is that he's got the best IQ level in Euroleague, and that's why he is a such a nice PG, cause he MAKES THE TEAM RUN.

Stats? Stats are important it's true, but sometimes players have to low is stats to make the team better (it's not a good example, but see Wade this year .. he makes the team win but he got lower stats).

Rubio will not make excellent stats in any season but he'll make the team better, wherever he plays.

Despite Rubio, not making excellent stats, he is the second best PG at Euroleague, in efficiency points per 40 minutes and the second best player of his team in efficiency points, both in Spanish League and Europe. These are stats with you cannot argue, because they are facts

Lakas sais that Rubio is a guy favoured by stats. I really dont see it, as he is not a guy that scores a lot, that receives lots of fouls, which are basically the way of getting good efficiency points when playing backcourt at Europe. Thats why players like Diamantidis or Papaloukas will never have excellent statistics, despite being the best in Europe in their position

In Europe efficiency points often are benefitial for centers, that grab lots of rebounds and that receive a lot of fouls and that play little defense, because every defensive fouls you make, it sustracts you a efficiency point

Really Rubio doesnt meet any of these requirements, so Lakas arguments are quite absurd, as one of Rubio's main strengths, which is defence, doesnt count at all for efficiency points

You have the opportunity to watch Rubio play live, right now in a Euroleague match between Barcelona and Fenerbache

http://www.atdhe.net/

[Maga_1]

Despite Rubio, not making excellent stats, he is the second best PG at Euroleague, in efficiency points per 40 minutes and the second best player of his team in efficiency points, both in Spanish League and Europe. These are stats with you cannot argue, because they are facts

Lakas sais that Rubio is a guy favoured by stats. I really dont see it, as he is not a guy that scores a lot, that receives lots of fouls, which are basically the way of getting good efficiency points when playing backcourt at Europe. Thats why players like Diamantidis or Papaloukas will never have excellent statistics, despite being the best in Europe in their position

In Europe efficiency points often are benefitial for centers, that grab lots of rebounds and that receive a lot of fouls and that play little defense, because every defensive fouls you make, it sustracts you a efficiency point

Really Rubio doesnt meet any of these requirements, so Lakas arguments are quite absurd, as one of Rubio's main strengths, which is defence, doesnt count at all for efficiency points

You have the opportunity to watch Rubio play live, right now in a Euroleague match between Barcelona and Fenerbache

http://www.atdhe.net/

Rubio is a beast on defence, he's got a big wingspan and he's got lenght too.
He got passing skills that i've never saw in an european player, a mix of Papaloukas and Sergio Rodriguez ability .. but the biggest skill it's his vision of the game .. it's incredible.

I see a lot of european basketball and nowadays there is no PG that make the team run better than Rubio, Sada is an excellent PG too but it's different and that's good for Bar

[Dr Giggles]

Mickeal
Navarro
Lorbek

Those are the three main players on that team and the best players on it and after that come Rubio

That's the only sensible thing you've said in this whole thread. Yes those three players are all currently better than Rubio, all three are Euroleague stars. However, Lakovic is no were near as good as Rubio as a PG, he's more like a midget SG. Barcelona plays MUCH better with Rubio on the floor. If you were such an Euroleague expert you would clearly see that. All the hype he gets (excessive I agree) is because he is such an incredibly smart player, the court awareness is unreal and that doesn't show up on the box score, you have to watch him play.
He's already a VERY good Euroleague PG and we won't know how good a NBA player he can be until he gets there.

MPG 8.8
PPG 2.7
FG% 31.9
APG 0.9
RPG 0.7
SPG 0.2

I'll let you guess whose NBA numbers those are (HINT: your mancrush)
If Rubio doesn't beat those numbers when he gets to the NBA I will personally get on a plane to wherever you are and let you tell me how smart you are.

[Maga_1]

That's the only sensible thing you've said in this whole thread. Yes those three players are all currently better than Rubio, all three are Euroleague stars. However, Lakovic is no were near as good as Rubio as a PG, he's more like a midget SG. Barcelona plays MUCH better with Rubio on the floor. If you were such an Euroleague expert you would clearly see that. All the hype he gets (excessive I agree) is because he is such an incredibly smart player, the court awareness is unreal and that doesn't show up on the box score, you have to watch him play.
He's already a VERY good Euroleague PG and we won't know how good a NBA player he can be until he gets there.

MPG 8.8
PPG 2.7
FG% 31.9
APG 0.9
RPG 0.7
SPG 0.2

I'll let you guess whose NBA numbers those are (HINT: your mancrush)
If Rubio doesn't beat those numbers when he gets to the NBA I will personally get on a plane to wherever you are and let you tell me how smart you are.

Spanoulis numbers i guess?

Rubio with two nice passes in this 2nd quarter, good.

[Hyman]

Another thing you need to bare in mind is that Rubio is 12 years younger than Lakovic, 13 than Mickeal, 10 than Navarro, 8 than Spanoulis, 10 than Diamantidis, 13 than Papaloukas...

And we are discusssing if he is already on their level. That is his greatness

The other thay he was clapped, in Siena, one of the hottest arenas in Europe when Barcelona beat them easily

And Ricky Rubio was last year Mr Europa's, the most traditional and prestigious award that designats the european best player. The equivalent in european basketball to Golden Ball that Messi has just won. Youngest player ever to win it

Rubio is averaging nearly 6 assists in Europe playing barely 20 minutes. In Europe assists are countd different than in NBA, to give assists is much more difficult. If he plays in NBA 30 minutes per game, with the NBA way of counting assists, he would easily, easily average 10 per season in his rookie year nowadays, being only 19. Moreover he is a great defender, one of the best perimeter defenders in Europe.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

The only thing that the basketball fans need to know about Ricky is that he's got the best IQ level in Euroleague, and that's why he is a such a nice PG, cause he MAKES THE TEAM RUN.

Stats? Stats are important it's true, but sometimes players have to low is stats to make the team better (it's not a good example, but see Wade this year .. he makes the team win but he got lower stats).

Rubio will not make excellent stats in any season but he'll make the team better, wherever he plays.

Papaloukas has a higher basketball IQ than Rubio. So no he does not have the highest b-ball IQ in the Euroleague. I think it's also very debatable that Prigioni has a higher basketball IQ than Rubio also. Jasikevicius has a higher basketball IQ than Rubio at running the pick and roll.

So right there are 3 other Euroleague point guards with just as high or higher basketball IQ. Once again, Rubio is over hyped with untrue statements like "best IQ level in Euroleague".

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Despite Rubio, not making excellent stats, he is the second best PG at Euroleague, in efficiency points per 40 minutes and the second best player of his team in efficiency points, both in Spanish League and Europe. These are stats with you cannot argue, because they are facts

Lakas sais that Rubio is a guy favoured by stats. I really dont see it, as he is not a guy that scores a lot, that receives lots of fouls, which are basically the way of getting good efficiency points when playing backcourt at Europe. Thats why players like Diamantidis or Papaloukas will never have excellent statistics, despite being the best in Europe in their position

In Europe efficiency points often are benefitial for centers, that grab lots of rebounds and that receive a lot of fouls and that play little defense, because every defensive fouls you make, it sustracts you a efficiency point

Really Rubio doesnt meet any of these requirements, so Lakas arguments are quite absurd, as one of Rubio's main strengths, which is defence, doesnt count at all for efficiency points

You have the opportunity to watch Rubio play live, right now in a Euroleague match between Barcelona and Fenerbache

http://www.atdhe.net/


The guy with the "second best stats in Europe" just had a 0 points and 4 assist game today. These are the kind of stats (quite typical and normal for Rubio actually) that this guy Hyman claims are the "second best stats in Europe".

Yes, a guy that averages 5 points and 5 assists a game has "the second best stats in Europe" according to this enormous troll hyman. This guy is obviously a comedian. Rubio is now EIGHTH on his team in scoring.

The guy with the "second best stats in Europe" in Euroleague play this year has,

Game 1

9 points - 9 assists

Game 2

2 points - 5 assists

Game 3

8 points - 5 assists

Game 4

7 points - 3 assists

Game 5

6 points - 5 assists

Game 6

0 points - 4 assists

This is the guy with the "second best stats in Europe". I guess Rubio is a super version of Shane Battier how he can "dominate" and have "the second best stats in Europe" all while contributing an incredible 5 points and 5 assists per game on a field goal percentage of 35% (yes that's Rubio's field goal percentage for the season.)

I mean damn, that 35% shooting and 5 points and 5 assists per game sure is without any doubt the "second best stats in Europe"..............seriously, this hyman guy is a unbelievable.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

That's the only sensible thing you've said in this whole thread. Yes those three players are all currently better than Rubio, all three are Euroleague stars. However, Lakovic is no were near as good as Rubio as a PG, he's more like a midget SG. Barcelona plays MUCH better with Rubio on the floor. If you were such an Euroleague expert you would clearly see that. All the hype he gets (excessive I agree) is because he is such an incredibly smart player, the court awareness is unreal and that doesn't show up on the box score, you have to watch him play.
He's already a VERY good Euroleague PG and we won't know how good a NBA player he can be until he gets there.

MPG 8.8
PPG 2.7
FG% 31.9
APG 0.9
RPG 0.7
SPG 0.2

I'll let you guess whose NBA numbers those are (HINT: your mancrush)
If Rubio doesn't beat those numbers when he gets to the NBA I will personally get on a plane to wherever you are and let you tell me how smart you are.

Rubio is an average Euroleague player. Nothing more than that. Rubio fan boys remind me of Shane Battier fan boys. Exactly the same.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Another thing you need to bare in mind is that Rubio is 12 years younger than Lakovic, 13 than Mickeal, 10 than Navarro, 8 than Spanoulis, 10 than Diamantidis, 13 than Papaloukas...

And we are discusssing if he is already on their level. That is his greatness

The other thay he was clapped, in Siena, one of the hottest arenas in Europe when Barcelona beat them easily

And Ricky Rubio was last year Mr Europa's, the most traditional and prestigious award that designats the european best player. The equivalent in european basketball to Golden Ball that Messi has just won. Youngest player ever to win it

Rubio is averaging nearly 6 assists in Europe playing barely 20 minutes. In Europe assists are countd different than in NBA, to give assists is much more difficult. If he plays in NBA 30 minutes per game, with the NBA way of counting assists, he would easily, easily average 10 per season in his rookie year nowadays, being only 19. Moreover he is a great defender, one of the best perimeter defenders in Europe.


He's an average player at the Euroleague level. Anyone that is not ridiculously biased can see that. And his stats are 5.2 assists in 21.5 minutes so you can stop exaggerating his stats.

Hollinger already studied the historical stats difference between assists in Euroleague and NBA. The difference is 31% (because a FIBA assist is counted differently) .

That means those 5.2 assists in 21.5 minutes in the Euroleague is = 9.5 assists in 30 minutes per game in the NBA. Yet you say "If he plays in NBA 30 minutes per game, with the NBA way of counting assists, he would easily, easily average 10 per season in his rookie year"....................


Once again you like to exaggerate everything and you have no credibility on this subject at all. And he will not get 30 minutes a game in the NBA when he can't score even when he is not guarded and when he can't even make wide open shots. Good luck getting 30 minutes a game in the NBA on any team that wants to win a game.

And if he was getting 30 minutes on a team that means they don't care that he can't score or shoot at all. So he won't get a lot of assists because his teammates won't be able to finish plays because his team will suck. And no he won't get playing time as people compare him to Kidd or Rondo because you can't just ignore them.

Rubio other than his passing it's like 4 on 5 on offense. Passing is great, and running a team is great and everything but believe it or not you have to be able to score and shoot at least when left wide open and unguarded and Rubio basically can't. So good luck getting 30 minutes a game in the NBA at the level he's at.

And again, stop exaggerating what his assist numbers would translate to.

[Dr Giggles]

The guy with the "second best stats in Europe" just had a 0 points and 4 assist game today.

In 17 minutes in a blowout win were they held the oposing team to 6 first quarter points which is when he played most of his minutes.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

In 17 minutes in a blowout win were they held the oposing team to 6 first quarter points which is when he played most of his minutes.

Rubio is an average level Euroleague player. That's why he's just a role player on a good club and not a star. And this means he is way over hyped because the hype machine and people in this thread make him to be the best player in Europe and the best talent in European history. Which actually means he is the most overrated player of all time.

Nick Calathes (who is one year older than Rubio and who is unlike Rubio a Euroleague rookie) = 3 points and 2 assists a game in the Euroleague in 15 minutes a game. What is your point? That's it somehow special for a young point guard to put up crap numbers in the Euroleague while playing on a big club?

I don't see posts like "Nick Calathes is the best player in Europe" or "Nick Calathes has the second best stats in Europe" or "Nick Calathes dominates Euroleague" or "Nick Calathes is the biggest European talent ever" or whatever else garbage posts people make about Rubio.

But if what people say here about Rubio is true and if the Rubio hype is true, then Nick Calathes should be the "second best player in Europe" - I mean that's just perfectly logical, that is IF the Rubio hype is true and if the Rubio homers speak the truth.

So where are all the Nick Calathes homers and fan boys? Where are the SLAM, ESPN, and Sports Illustrated articles comparing Calathes to Petrovich and Maravich?

After all, per minute, Calathes puts up similar type of production (like sucky scoring and shooting and good assisting), is just one year older, and is a Euroleague rookie compared to Rubio, who is in his third Euroleague season. Seems a bit odd how no one cares a damn about Nick Calathes then, seeing how Rubio is supposedly the God of basketball.

HYPE
FAN BOYS
HOMERS
OVERRATED

That sums up Rubio's reputation.

[Dr Giggles]

Rubio is an average level Euroleague player. That's why he's just a role player on a good club and not a star. And this means he is way over hyped because the hype machine and people in this thread make him to be the best player in Europe and the best talent in European history.


I don't remember anybody in this thread calling him the best player in Europe, all we are arguing is that people who have watched him play believe that he has a special talent that could one day turn him into a truly great player.

All you want to do is show how superior your basketball knowledge is by trashing the players NBA fans have heard of and glorifying obscure (by NBA standads) greek players. Other Euro fans have called you out on this and all you can do is post endlesly about Rubio's less than stellar stats. :sleeping

[Lakas Fan Yo]

I don't remember anybody in this thread calling him the best player in Europe, all we are arguing is that people who have watched him play believe that he has a special talent that could one day turn him into a truly great player.

All you want to do is show how superior your basketball knowledge is by trashing the players NBA fans have heard of and glorifying obscure (by NBA standads) greek players. Other Euro fans have called you out on this and all you can do is post endlesly about Rubio's less than stellar stats. :sleeping

Jinxed and Hyman have clearly made posts here that imply that Rubio is the best point guard and player in Europe or the second best. Yuki Nagato seemed to say he was better than 99% of Euroleague point guards and Nero Tulip suggested he was perhaps Barca's second best player. To anyone that knows the situation and is not biased those would all be examples of hyping and overrating and exaggerating how good he is at this time.

As for your other comments, now sir you are starting to troll just like several others in this thread.

[Pharcyde]

(American fan boys and Spanish homers)

NBA fan boys believe it.

90% of NBA fan boys repeat this fantasy myth

was used by all NBA fan boys and Spanish homers

Well, part of this hype and myth NBA fans believe is that draftexpress knows

NBA fans are under a delusion that they are "legit" about European basketball

So since NBA fans give "credence

NBA fan boys and Spanish homers about Rubio, like

But again if a European fan brings up such things they are called a "liar" by the NBA fan boys, the fake European fans, and the Spanish homers.

This sounds like you but backwards.

[Hyman]

The guy with the "second best stats in Europe" just had a 0 points and 4 assist game today. These are the kind of stats (quite typical and normal for Rubio actually) that this guy Hyman claims are the "second best stats in Europe".

Yes, a guy that averages 5 points and 5 assists a game has "the second best stats in Europe" according to this enormous troll hyman. This guy is obviously a comedian. Rubio is now EIGHTH on his team in scoring.

The guy with the "second best stats in Europe" in Euroleague play this year has,

Game 1

9 points - 9 assists

Game 2

2 points - 5 assists

Game 3

8 points - 5 assists

Game 4

7 points - 3 assists

Game 5

6 points - 5 assists

Game 6

0 points - 4 assists

This is the guy with the "second best stats in Europe". I guess Rubio is a super version of Shane Battier how he can "dominate" and have "the second best stats in Europe" all while contributing an incredible 5 points and 5 assists per game on a field goal percentage of 35% (yes that's Rubio's field goal percentage for the season.)

I mean damn, that 35% shooting and 5 points and 5 assists per game sure is without any doubt the "second best stats in Europe"..............seriously, this hyman guy is a unbelievable.

Rubio was until this week, the second best PG at Euroleague in efficiency per 40 minutes. Im not the one saying that, its the efficiency points

Moreover Rubio averages 5.2 assists per minute with a very low TO ratio in 20 mi. If u know about european basketball, you will know that averaging 5.2 assists in Europe per game in 20 minutes, means averaging like 13 assists per game in NBA per 35 minutes, as NBA way of counting assists is different to European, where there are much more difficult to get as they are counted in a different way

And yes, efficiently Rubio was per 40 minutes the second. Now he is the 4th, just tied up you know with who? With Spanoulis. Both average 0.55 ranking points per minute

And it is very probable Rubio finishes the season at the 1st team of the Euroleague, as he will play more minutes as the season goes on and Barcelona are supposed to go very far

By the way, its silly to argue with a guy that says that Rubio is an average european player, when he is averaging the same ranking points than Spanoulis, and better than other guards in Europe as Papaloukas, Navarro or even superstars like Childress, being 10 years younger than them

I am a Barcelona fan and I am delighted with Rubio. Aswell as all the other fans I know. He has had an inmediate impact in the team, and Barcelona is playing the best showtime basketball when he is on court, since the team had Bodiroga, Navarro, Jasikevicius or ****a. That is the importance. Barcelona looks much stronger than last year despite they've lost key players. And the improvement in the backcourt, in comparison to last year when Lakovic was starting at PG, is not big, is enormous. Rubio is five times with 19 years the player than Lakovic is. And for people like you, who have never seen him play and that base solely on stats (despite in ranking points he is equaled to Spanoulis and above others like Papaloukas, Childress or Navarro) this is really difficult to understand

http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics/individual/per-minute?tabid=148&lang=en

But well, what can I say about a guy, that claims to be spanish and doest know a single word, that claims that Spanoulis is a PG, and that believes that Rubio is an average european player when last year he was named Mr. Europa, being the youngest player ever to win the award

[Lakas Fan Yo]

This sounds like you but backwards.

Your point?

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Rubio was until this week, the second best PG at Euroleague in efficiency per 40 minutes. Im not the one saying that, its the efficiency points

Moreover Rubio averages 5.2 assists per minute with a very low TO ratio in 20 mi. If u know about european basketball, you will know that averaging 5.2 assists in Europe per game in 20 minutes, means averaging like 13 assists per game in NBA per 35 minutes, as NBA way of counting assists is different to European, where there are much more difficult to get as they are counted in a different way

And yes, efficiently Rubio was per 40 minutes the second. Now he is the 4th, just tied up you know with who? With Spanoulis. Both average 0.55 ranking points per minute

And it is very probable Rubio finishes the season at the 1st team of the Euroleague, as he will play more minutes as the season goes on and Barcelona are supposed to go very far

By the way, its silly to argue with a guy that says that Rubio is an average european player, when he is averaging the same ranking points than Spanoulis, and better than other guards in Europe as Papaloukas, Navarro or even superstars like Childress, being 10 years younger than them

I am a Barcelona fan and I am delighted with Rubio. Aswell as all the other fans I know. He has had an inmediate impact in the team, and Barcelona is playing the best showtime basketball when he is on court, since the team had Bodiroga, Navarro, Jasikevicius or ****a. That is the importance. Barcelona looks much stronger than last year despite they've lost key players. And the improvement in the backcourt, in comparison to last year when Lakovic was starting at PG, is not big, is enormous. Rubio is five times with 19 years the player than Lakovic is. And for people like you, who have never seen him play and that base solely on stats (despite in ranking points he is equaled to Spanoulis and above others like Papaloukas, Childress or Navarro) this is really difficult to understand

http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics/individual/per-minute?tabid=148&lang=en

But well, what can I say about a guy, that claims to be spanish and doest know a single word, that claims that Spanoulis is a PG, and that believes that Rubio is an average european player when last year he was named Mr. Europa, being the youngest player ever to win the award

Childress is a superstar huh? Obviously, once again, you have never ever watched a Euroleague game in your life. Also, Lakovic is a scoring point guard, a combo guard, or maybe actually a midget shooting guard. Rubio is a pure point guard. So what?

Is that your argument? Is that it? Yeah, Rubio is better at running a team and is a better passer and a more natural point. He's also a better defender and dribbler. So what? Lakovic is a better scorer, more athletic, a better finisher, better at penetrating, a better shooter. It works both ways.

Rubio is a great passer and has great court vision and Lakovic is a scoring point guard, but Lakovic has unlimited shooting range and is lights out as a 3 point shooter. Apparently to you passing the ball is the entire scope of the existence of the game of basketball. You seem to completely disregard every other facet of the game entirely.

And calling Josh Childress a superstar is absolutely comical. Is this the same Childress that shot like 38% in the Greek League finals and basically handed Panathinaikos the Greek championship last year by his ball hogging and chucking up and missing shots because he's not good enough to lead a team or be a go to guy on offense? That despite that kept on hogging the ball and taking the most shots on the team and not letting anyone else touch the ball? That lost the series 3-1 even with having home court advantage? That shot 1-10 in the deciding game of the series? That "superstar" Childress?

Spanoulis is a point guard and plays that position. Apparently you live in an alternate universe where he plays a position different than the one he actually plays on whatever team, for the last few years. Clearly, you are either a liar or you are just a troll, or both. Spanoulis has the ability to play off guard - he is virtually interchangeable to both positions and either on the ball or off the ball. So freaking what? He is used primarily as a point guard and that is in fact where he plays the vast majority of his minutes for the last few years. In fact, Rubio logs about the same amount of time at shooting guard as Spanoulis does. Your posts are really over the top.

[Hyman]

Jinxed and Hyman have clearly made posts here that imply that Rubio is the best point guard and player in Europe or the second best. Yuki Nagata seemed to say he was better than 99% of Euroleague point guards and Nero Tulip suggested he was Barca's second best player. To anyone that knows the situation and is not biased those would all be examples of hyping and overrating and exaggerating how good he is at this time.

As for your other comments, now sir you are starting to troll just like several others in this thread.

I have never sayed that Rubio is the best PG at Europe

But by sure he is between the 5 bests. And his impact in the game is not shown in the stats. And he is five times the player that Lakovic is.

And he will probably end up being in the euroleague 1st team. And Barcelona fans are delighted with him

And he is only from 1990

And he averages 5.2 assists in Europe in 20 minutes. Which equals to 13 assists per game in 35 minutes at NBA

And he is one of the best defenders in Europe. And he doesnt loses balls

And he is only 19

Having said that. If he turns into an average shooter, and he can be able to scorer 13-14 points at NBA (which is quite probable being only 19), he will be a legend of the game. A european PG capable of averaging 14 points-13 assists-5 rebounds-a great stealer-an excellent defender-not TO prone-very high basketball IQ. Any other european hasnt been able to do that so far

His passing and playmaking ability ist just amazing. Probably the best of Europe being, as I've said only 19 years old. I doubt that HOF like Nash or Kidd had, when being 25, a better passing ability than Rubio being 19. He is not an average european player, he is special, and anyone that has seen him 3 matches will agree with that statement.

Nash in his first season on NBA being 22-23 averaged 3 points and 2 assists per game

[Hyman]

Childress is a superstar huh? Obviously once again you have never ever watched a Euroleague game.

He is supposed to be a superstar. He earns like a superstar. And he is the player that plays more minutes at Oly

[Lebowsky]

Lakas Fan Yo, you're the most annoying, repetitive mother****er on these whole boards. Why don't you just GTFO where anybody likes you?

[Pharcyde]

Your point?
That you're a jack ass.

[Hyman]

Rubio is an average level Euroleague player. That's why he's just a role player on a good club and not a star. And this means he is way over hyped because the hype machine and people in this thread make him to be the best player in Europe and the best talent in European history. Which actually means he is the most overrated player of all time.

Nick Calathes (who is one year older than Rubio and who is unlike Rubio a Euroleague rookie) = 3 points and 2 assists a game in the Euroleague in 15 minutes a game. What is your point? That's it somehow special for a young point guard to put up crap numbers in the Euroleague while playing on a big club?

I don't see posts like "Nick Calathes is the best player in Europe" or "Nick Calathes has the second best stats in Europe" or "Nick Calathes dominates Euroleague" or "Nick Calathes is the biggest European talent ever" or whatever else garbage posts people make about Rubio.

But if what people say here about Rubio is true and if the Rubio hype is true, then Nick Calathes should be the "second best player in Europe" - I mean that's just perfectly logical, that is IF the Rubio hype is true and if the Rubio homers speak the truth.

So where are all the Nick Calathes homers and fan boys? Where are the SLAM, ESPN, and Sports Illustrated articles comparing Calathes to Petrovich and Maravich?

After all, per minute, Calathes puts up similar type of production (like sucky scoring and shooting and good assisting), is just one year older, and is a Euroleague rookie compared to Rubio, who is in his third Euroleague season. Seems a bit odd how no one cares a damn about Nick Calathes then, seeing how Rubio is supposedly the God of basketball.

HYPE
FAN BOYS
HOMERS
OVERRATED

That sums up Rubio's reputation.

Nick Calathes ranking points per minute is 0.13
Ricky Rubios ranking points per minute is 0.55. That is, more than 4 times. Every minute he plays, Rubio does it statistically more than 4 times better than Calathes.

Nick Calathes is in ranking points per 40 minutes, the 195 most efficient guy in Europe. http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics/individual/per-minute?tabid=148&lang=en
Ricky Rubio is in ranking points pero 40 minutes, the 24 most efficient guy on Europe. http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics/individual/per-minute?tabid=148&lang=en

Moreover, and that isnt shown on statistics, Ricky Rubio is one of the best defenders in Europe. Nick Calathes is not

Nick Calathes is yet, a year and a half older than Rubio

I think it is quite clear from an objective point of view why one player is more exciting than the other one

You seem to be a greek-american repatriate guy, who doesnt know nothing about european basketball, neither of your country's one

[phxsuns4life]

It has been said over and over that all this hype in the US about Rubio "playing professionally" at age 14-15 was mostly just a media creation in the US. This whole myth being created that this was something totally one of a kind and extraordinary is something that both NBA and Spanish League fans (American fan boys and Spanish homers) have used to an extreme to propagate this myth that this proved Rubio was something unique and unheard of and "the best European talent ever", which is a joke.

Despite numerous other European fans trying to explain that there really is not something so unique about this, no NBA fan boys believe it. All they believe is the hype machine from US media and from Spain. Just like no matter how many times it is explained that Rubio is averaging 6 and 5 on poor shooting in the Euroleague (and that is by far his career year so far to boot), 90% of NBA fan boys repeat this fantasy myth "Rubio dominates Europe". If anyone questions this they get the "he is injured" or "he is just a kid" excuses. Well those are starting to run out. He would be a college sophomore if he was an American player so he's not THAT young to be making such excuses. And he's not injured at all as he is 100% healthy, so the injury excuse that was used by all NBA fan boys and Spanish homers as the excuse for his bad play in the Euroleague last year won't fly. And all the "those are good stats for Europe" lies don't fly either. Because actually, no, he has nothing better than average stats in the Euroleague overall and that is it.

Well, part of this hype and myth NBA fans believe is that draftexpress knows what they are talking about. Even though largely they are wrong on mostly everything they say regarding European basketball, nonetheless, NBA fans are under a delusion that they are "legit" about European basketball (they aren't though). So since NBA fans give "credence" to draftexpress they can read it from them directly and then the excuses and lies posted by NBA fan boys and Spanish homers about Rubio, like calling any European fan questioning the hype reported about Rubio, "liars", won't work this time. Since they themselves use draftexpress, another fan boy site, to get most of their European basketball "knowledge" from anyway they can read the truth here:

http://www.draftexpress.com/blog/International-Blog/#European-Roundup-High-Expectations-for-Vesely-3344

15-year Old Breaks Greek League Age Record

After 14-year old Edvinas Seskus of Rudupis Prienai broke the first division Lithuanian league record by being the youngest player to ever enter a game last week, 15-year old Alexandros Aggelakos accomplished the same feat in the ultra physical and competitive Greek league on Saturday. This, according to European basketball website TalkBasket.net.


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Once again, all this hype about Rubio is mostly just that - hype. But if anyone dares question all this insane hype about Rubio you automatically get the "he played in ACB at 14-15 and that proves he is the best ever European talent" and "no one else in European history can play pro ball at such a young age" and blah, blah, blah.

And then if you bring up other examples the hype machine liars use the old "but ACB is a good league and the others in Europe suck". Well again since these fan boys put so much trust in their fan boy site draftexpress, read this excerpt again.............

15-year old Alexandros Aggelakos accomplished the same feat in the ultra physical and competitive Greek league on Saturday.

And also Panagiotis Yiannakis played in the old original Greek League professionally at age 13. Yes at age THIRTEEN. Again, the hype that Rubio is some kind of European basketball savant, a one of a kind, unheard of Mozart of basketball is pure nonsense.

But again if a European fan brings up such things they are called a "liar" by the NBA fan boys, the fake European fans, and the Spanish homers. Bottom line is the hype about Rubio is out of control. This just highlights how much he is a media creation. When other players do the same thing as him no one and I mean NO ONE in the US or Europe hears a word about it. And players playing at a young age is nothing new in Europe. All the "he played Euroleague at age 16" hype.............

Players that played at young ages (18 and under) in the Euroleague just off the top of my head:

Sani Becirovic at 18
Nikos Zisis at 17

I am sure there are numerous other ones, it's just that those two guys just come to mind. Mainly they come to mind because they played at the same position as Rubio. Because one of the other hyped up myths is that "there has never been another European point guard that could play Euroleague as a teenager." So that just makes it stand out even more, for being just more myths and hype. How many NBA fans have ever heard of Becirovic or Zisis? Now compare that to Rubio's hype. How much hype was created in the US by Slam Magazine, ESPN, and Sports Illustrated when Zisis (also a European point guard) played in the Euroleague at age 17? Where were the "Zisis is the new Pistol Pete" and "Zisis is the new Drazen" articles at?


And all this big deal being made right now this season about how "Rubio plays Euroleague at age 19 and that is unheard of in Europe".............yeah well Brandon Jennings played about the same minutes as Rubio plays last year in the Euroleague at age 19, Kostas Papanikolaou is 19 and plays in the Euroleague on just as big or maybe even a bigger club than Rubio plays on, Jan Vesely is 19 and plays in the Euroleague, and so forth. So again, nothing incredibly amazing or unusual about this. How many NBA fans have ever heard of Vesely or Papanikolaou? Now compare that to this insane Rubio hype. Now Papanikolaou is just a rotation player in some games and does not play in some others and Vesely plays on a much weaker team than Rubio.

But the point stands, there is nothing incredible or amazing about Rubio just because he plays 20 minutes a game in the Euroleague at age 19. It's just hype.

You get a booyah and a high-five from me man. On the money...

[Lakas Fan Yo]

I have never sayed that Rubio is the best PG at Europe

But by sure he is between the 5 bests. And his impact in the game is not shown in the stats. And he is five times the player that Lakovic is.

And he will probably end up being in the euroleague 1st team. And Barcelona fans are delighted with him

And he is only from 1990

And he averages 5.2 assists in Europe in 20 minutes. Which equals to 13 assists per game in 35 minutes at NBA

And he is one of the best defenders in Europe. And he doesnt loses balls

And he is only 19

Having said that. If he turns into an average shooter, and he can be able to scorer 13-14 points at NBA (which is quite probable being only 19), he will be a legend of the game. A european PG capable of averaging 14 points-13 assists-5 rebounds-a great stealer-an excellent defender-not TO prone-very high basketball IQ. Any other european hasnt been able to do that so far

His passing and playmaking ability ist just amazing. Probably the best of Europe being, as I've said only 19 years old. I doubt that HOF like Nash or Kidd had, when being 25, a better passing ability than Rubio being 19. He is not an average european player, he is special, and anyone that has seen him 3 matches will agree with that statement.

Nash in his first season on NBA being 22-23 averaged 3 points and 2 assists per game

13 assists in the NBA huh? Never mind all the other nonsense in this post. Really 5 assists in Euroleague = 13 in NBA huh?

[Lakas Fan Yo]

He is supposed to be a superstar. He earns like a superstar. And he is the player that plays more minutes at Oly

So being paid the most (which also dictates playing time in Childress' case) decides who the superstars are? Nothing to do with play right? Just like whomever gets the most hype is the best right?

So your basketball philosophy is the higher you are paid and the more you are hyped the better you are, it does not actually have anything to do with on court performance. Right?

[Lakas Fan Yo]

That you're a jack ass.

No one is perfect.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Lakas Fan Yo, you're the most annoying, repetitive mother****er on these whole boards. Why don't you just GTFO where anybody likes you?

Tell me how you feel man.

[Hyman]

13 assists in the NBA huh? Never mind all the other nonsense in this post. Really 5 assists in Euroleague = 13 in NBA huh?

Of course yes. If not more. You really dont know nothing about european basketball, and its quite sad, as you try hard

5.2 assists in Europe in 20 minutes, is easily 13 assists in NBA in 35 minutes. Easily

In Europe an assist isnt count if the receiving player then, bounces the ball. The ratio of assists is much lower as it is much more difficult to be count. Why do u think that in the last 10 years any player has averaged for a whole season more than 7 assists per game? Prigioni holds the record in 2005/2006 with 6.93

Why do u think they are nowadays 8 NBA players that average more assists than the highest euroleague record for the last 10 years?

5.2 assists in Europe in 20 minutes. in fact, is easily more than 13 in NBA in 35 minutes

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Nick Calathes ranking points per minute is 0.13
Ricky Rubios ranking points per minute is 0.55. That is, more than 4 times. Every minute he plays, Rubio does it statistically more than 4 times better than Calathes.

Nick Calathes is in ranking points per 40 minutes, the 195 most efficient guy in Europe. http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics/individual/per-minute?tabid=148&lang=en
Ricky Rubio is in ranking points pero 40 minutes, the 24 most efficient guy on Europe. http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics/individual/per-minute?tabid=148&lang=en

Moreover, and that isnt shown on statistics, Ricky Rubio is one of the best defenders in Europe. Nick Calathes is not

Nick Calathes is yet, a year and a half older than Rubio

I think it is quite clear from an objective point of view why one player is more exciting than the other one

You seem to be a greek-american repatriate guy, who doesnt know nothing about european basketball, neither of your country's one

It seems that you are simply incapable of logic. Like I said, based on age and position, and production - if everything you say about Rubio is true, then Calathes must be the second biggest European talent ever. Strange then how no one cares about him. Doubly strange then how you seem to not think much of Calathes. Something does not add up.

A 19 year old Rubio plays on a big Euroleague club (Barca) and in 22 minutes a game he is a 5 and 5 player. A 20 year old Calathes plays on a bigger Euroleague club (PAO) and in 15 minutes a game he is a 3 and 2 player.

With that being said, according to you Rubio is the biggest European talent ever and already the second best or best point guard in Europe. So then, if that is true then Calathes must be the second biggest European talent ever. But obviously you don't think much of Calathes. Something does not add up here.

Could it perhaps be that you are full of BS?

[Lakas Fan Yo]

You get a booyah and a high-five from me man. On the money...

Thanks man, but unfortunately certain posters will be putting you on their enemy list now probably.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Of course yes. If not more. You really dont know nothing about european basketball, and its quite sad, as you try hard

5.2 assists in Europe in 20 minutes, is easily 13 assists in NBA in 35 minutes. Easily

In Europe an assist isnt count if the receiving player then, bounces the ball. The ratio of assists is much lower

You are seriously going with this? I am sorry but you are exaggerating once again.

[Maga_1]

Of course yes. If not more. You really dont know nothing about european basketball, and its quite sad, as you try hard

5.2 assists in Europe in 20 minutes, is easily 13 assists in NBA in 35 minutes. Easily

In Europe an assist isnt count if the receiving player then, bounces the ball. The ratio of assists is much lower

I got a point to tell you guys.
I don't know if Lakas just see Euroleague games or just see NBA , i'm confused.
See the stats of Jennings in NBA and the stats in Europe, try to see the exactlly playing time (cause i think we both know that Jennings don't play just 15min like last year). What do you think?
I think Rubio, with the same playing time in NBA could make 10 points and 10 assists .. at least .

And wtf do you put Calathes in this conversation? He's not even near to Rubio skills.

[Hyman]

So being paid the most (which also dictates playing time in Childress' case) decides who the superstars are? Nothing to do with play right? Just like whomever gets the most hype is the best right?

So your basketball philosophy is the higher you are paid and the more you are hyped the better you are, it does not actually have anything to do with on court performance. Right?

Childress is one of the best 3 players in one of the 4 best european teams

That is to be a superstar. He would play an all star european game. He is a star, whether you like it or not. Ricky Rubio would also play an allstar european game

[Hyman]

It seems that you are simply incapable of logic. Like I said, based on age and position, and production - if everything you say about Rubio is true, then Calathes must be the second biggest European talent ever. Strange then how no one cares about him. Doubly strange then how you seem to not think much of Calathes. Something does not add up.

A 19 year old Rubio plays on a big Euroleague club (Barca) and in 22 minutes a game he is a 5 and 5 player. A 20 year old Calathes plays on a bigger Euroleague club (PAO) and in 15 minutes a game he is a 3 and 2 player.

With that being said, according to you Rubio is the biggest European talent ever and already the second best or best point guard in Europe. So then, if that is true then Calathes must be the second biggest European talent ever. But obviously you don't think much of Calathes. Something does not add up here.

Could it perhaps be that you are full of BS?

Why you tell so many lies?

Im saying that Rubio is nowadays one of the 5 best PG at Europe and the biggest prospect at his age of european PG there has ever been

Calathes, is older than Rubio, statistically he is 4 times less player and defensively he is 10 times less player. But yes, he is a good FIBA prospect. He could be a Spanoulis at best case scenario

Ricky Rubio can be a 14-13-5 player and member of the NBA defensive team of the year at best case scenario

[Hyman]

You are seriously going with this? I am sorry but you are exaggerating once again.

Why do u think that in the last 10 years any player has averaged for a whole season more than 7 assists per game? Prigioni holds the record in 2005/2006 with 6.93

Why do u think they are nowadays 8 NBA players that average more assists than the highest euroleague record for the last 10 years?

5.2 assists in Europe in 20 minutes. in fact, is easily more than 13 in NBA in 35 minutes. It would be 13 assists, if they were counted in the same way. And in Europe assists are not count if the receiving player bounces then the ball. And in NBA scores are higher, defenses more passive and tactical basketball not so important.

[madmax]

It seems that you are simply incapable of logic. Like I said, based on age and position, and production - if everything you say about Rubio is true, then Calathes must be the second biggest European talent ever. Strange then how no one cares about him. Doubly strange then how you seem to not think much of Calathes. Something does not add up.

A 19 year old Rubio plays on a big Euroleague club (Barca) and in 22 minutes a game he is a 5 and 5 player. A 20 year old Calathes plays on a bigger Euroleague club (PAO) and in 15 minutes a game he is a 3 and 2 player.

With that being said, according to you Rubio is the biggest European talent ever and already the second best or best point guard in Europe. So then, if that is true then Calathes must be the second biggest European talent ever. But obviously you don't think much of Calathes. Something does not add up here.

Could it perhaps be that you are full of BS?

Dude, could you already shut your worthless trap and listen the BS you are spouting? Many european posters, including myself, called you agenda driven nonsene out many times, and you still keep on going like a possessed man:wtf: Like it or not, Rubio IS talented and he IS 19 years old kid with extraordinary ability to control the game and make the team BETTER...Liten to the combination of these word - MAKING THE TEAM BETTER. Barca is NOT the most talented team, they have not the best paid players, but they ARE still playing the best ball in EUROPE. Wanna know why? Because some certain kid HAS the ability to elevate his teammates and their performances...

[Maga_1]

Why do u think that in the last 10 years any player has averaged for a whole season more than 7 assists per game? Prigioni holds the record in 2005/2006 with 6.93

Why do u think they are nowadays 8 NBA players that average more assists than the highest euroleague record for the last 10 years?

5.2 assists in Europe in 20 minutes. in fact, is easily more than 13 in NBA in 35 minutes. It would be 13 assists, if they were counted in the same way. And in Europe assists are not count if the receiving player bounces then the ball. And in NBA scores are higher, defenses more passive and tactical basketball not so important.

Excellent post.
Repped if i could.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

I got a point to tell you guys.
I don't know if Lakas just see Euroleague games or just see NBA , i'm confused.
See the stats of Jennings in NBA and the stats in Europe, try to see the exactlly playing time (cause i think we both know that Jennings don't play just 15min like last year). What do you think?
I think Rubio, with the same playing time in NBA could make 10 points and 10 assists .. at least .

And wtf do you put Calathes in this conversation? He's not even near to Rubio skills.

Calathes is brought up because all things considered if the Rubio hype is true, then Calathes must be the second best European talent ever. The point is that Hyman is completely full of BS. Calathes actually was not even good enough to make the Greek national team. He was selected because 3 of Greece's point guards were injured and the coach even said he would not have made the team otherwise. And you could see he was not ready to handle the EuroBasket yet. So far this year he has been good enough to be a third string point guard in a big Euroleague club. He can probably be a good backup point guard in a big Euroleague club eventually.

With that being said, Rubio is only a little bit better than Calathes to be perfectly honest about it. Yet somehow you go from Calathes' level, which I just described and make a player a little bit better than him and magically somehow he becomes the "best European talent ever". It is more than obvious that some people posting in this thread are on Rubio's payroll.

As for Rubio's NBA stats, well I believe Calderon averaged like 12 points and 3 assists in Euroleague and Jennings like 8 points and 2 assists in Euroleague. I think Rubio could probably get like 2 steals and anywhere from 8-12 assists in the NBA in starter's minutes and depending on what team and system he was on. 8 assists on some teams and possibly like 10-12 on a team like Golden State, the Knicks, Phoenix - teams like that. But not more than 8-9 on some teams that play an opposite style.

He won't score and he won't play starters minutes unless he can score and make a shot when left totally unguarded. This is not Jason Kidd being left open, this is a guy that has zero offense contribution other than passing.

Really, as it stands now Rubio's NBA projected and speculated stats are a mute point because he would be riding the pine if he was in the NBA. Well, maybe the Knicks would start him but other than that he would be riding pine.

[Maga_1]

Just one question, did you saw todays game .. Lakas?

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Childress is one of the best 3 players in one of the 4 best european teams

That is to be a superstar. He would play an all star european game. He is a star, whether you like it or not. Ricky Rubio would also play an allstar european game

Unbelievable.

Theo Papaloukas
Panos Vasilopoulos
Yiannis Bourousis
Sofokolis Schortsanitis
Milos Teodosic


They are all better than Childress. Klieza is better on offense and rebounding but he plays zero defense so I would take Childress over him. Vujcic is also a better player on offense but he also plays zero defense so same thing.

Yotam Halperin is flat out a better player than Childress also. However, Halperin is the biggest choker of any player I have ever seen in my life. So because of that I will put Childress over him. Still, in any non-elimination game I would take Halperin over Childress every single time.

And these guys,

Theo Papaloukas
Panos Vasilopoulos
Yiannis Bourousis
Sofokolis Schortsanitis
Milos Teodosic

Are all much better than Childress. Now Sofo is a foul machine and only plays 10-15 minutes a game so you can take him out if you want to because even though he is better than Childress his lack of time on the court is a big issue. But even then that leaves,

Theo Papaloukas
Panos Vasilopoulos
Yiannis Bourousis
Milos Teodosic

All of those players on Olympiacos are better than Childress. I doubt if you even know who those players are. Scratch that, I know you have no idea who they are. Because you are so fake.

Finally, your assertion that the third best player on a top 4 Euroleague club is a "superstar" is more pure BS and nonsense. Absolutely not. There are a handful of superstars in the Euroleague and that is it. Certainly not the third best player on teams.

[Maga_1]

Answering your last post.
He can make lay ups, don't you see the highlights that he have? He's not just a scoring machine, thing that you expect to do just because the best european players in NBA are trully scorers.
And he's improving a lot is jump shot, if you saw him about 2 years ago he was terrible and now he's getting average .. he's just 19 years old .. have a lot of time to improve his weakness. Don't you think that?

And i insist that he got the best IQ level, but Papaloukas got the best execution. Understand? Rubio sometimes loose silly balls, but the vision and the intencion is there.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Why you tell so many lies?

Im saying that Rubio is nowadays one of the 5 best PG at Europe and the biggest prospect at his age of european PG there has ever been

Calathes, is older than Rubio, statistically he is 4 times less player and defensively he is 10 times less player. But yes, he is a good FIBA prospect. He could be a Spanoulis at best case scenario

Ricky Rubio can be a 14-13-5 player and member of the NBA defensive team of the year at best case scenario

Your posts really are funny.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Why do u think that in the last 10 years any player has averaged for a whole season more than 7 assists per game? Prigioni holds the record in 2005/2006 with 6.93

Why do u think they are nowadays 8 NBA players that average more assists than the highest euroleague record for the last 10 years?

5.2 assists in Europe in 20 minutes. in fact, is easily more than 13 in NBA in 35 minutes. It would be 13 assists, if they were counted in the same way. And in Europe assists are not count if the receiving player bounces then the ball. And in NBA scores are higher, defenses more passive and tactical basketball not so important.

What is your deal? Really? There is a difference in how the assists are counted. That does NOT mean that you can just say this many assists in Euroelague equals this many assists in the NBA. You seem to have no basketball knowledge at all.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Dude, could you already shut your worthless trap and listen the BS you are spouting? Many european posters, including myself, called you agenda driven nonsene out many times, and you still keep on going like a possessed man:wtf: Like it or not, Rubio IS talented and he IS 19 years old kid with extraordinary ability to control the game and make the team BETTER...Liten to the combination of these word - MAKING THE TEAM BETTER. Barca is NOT the most talented team, they have not the best paid players, but they ARE still playing the best ball in EUROPE. Wanna know why? Because some certain kid HAS the ability to elevate his teammates and their performances...

Barca had a better team last year and Rubio was not even on their team.

[Hyman]

Calathes is brought up because all things considered if the Rubio hype is true, then Calathes must be the second best European talent ever. The point is that Hyman is completely full of BS. Calathes actually was not even good enough to make the Greek national team. He was selected because 3 of Greece's point guards were injured and the coach even said he would not have made the team otherwise. And you could see he was not ready to handle the EuroBasket yet. So far this year he has been good enough to be a third string point guard in a big Euroelague club. He can probably be a good backup point guard in a big Euroleague club eventually.

With that being said, Rubio is only a little bit better than Calathes to be perfectly honest about it. Yet somehow you go from Calathes' level, which I just described and make a player a little bit better than him and magically somehow he becomes the "best European talent ever". It is more than obvious that some people posting in this thread are on Rubio's payroll.

As for Rubio's NBA stats, well I believe Calderon averaged like 7 points and 2 assists in Euroleague and Jennings like 8 points and 2 assists in Euroleague. I think Rubio could probably get like 2 steals and anywhere from 8-12 assists in the NBA in starter's minutes and depending on what team and system he was on. 8 assists on some teams and possibly like 12 on a team like Golden State, the Knicks, Phoenix and teams like that. But not more than 8-9 on some teams that play an opposite style.

He won't score and he won't play starters minutes unless he can score and make a shot when left totally unguarded. This is not Jason Kidd being left open, this is a guy that has zero offense contribution other than passing.

Really, as it stands now Rubio's NBA projected and speculated stats are a mute point because he would be riding the pine if he was in the NBA. Well, maybe the Knicks would start him but other than that he would be riding pine.

Definitely you have never seen Rubio play. Its impossible to say that when he is an excellente defensive player. In fact he was named 2009 Spanish ACB league defensive player of the year (Spanish ACB league is miles ahead of any other european league), he led the spanish ACB league in steals in 2007 and 2009, he was named spanish ACB best PG at 2008, he has been named FIBA European young player of the year in 2007 and 2008 (and will win it again in 2009), he has been named Mr Europa best european player of the year in 2008...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Rubio

Quite an impressive collection of awards for a kid, that won all those top basketball awards being no more than 18 years old. The world seems to have turned crazy

If Calathes isnt able to make the Greek national and is a third string PG at his club. That is not Rubio's fault

Because Rubio being younger is the starting PG at Barcelona, at the Spanish NT that won gold at eurobasketbal and was also the starter at the final rounds of the Spanish NT that won the silver medal in the olympic games, being only 17 years old. Coincidentally all this teams have a thing in common. They have been greatly succesful with Rubio being a starter. They win and win, and win, and win, and win


If Calathes playing for worst teams isnt able to make it, or is a third string PG. It means something

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Just one question, did you saw todays game .. Lakas?

Today I watched the PAO-Milano game and the Siena-Cibona game. I didn't watch the Barca game. I think that one is on ESPN360 so if I want I can watch it later.

[Hyman]

Unbelievable.

Theo Papaloukas
Panos Vasilopoulos
Yiannis Bourousis
Sofokolis Schortsanitis
Milos Teodosic


They are all better than Childress. Klieza is better on offense and rebounding but he plays zero defense so I would take Childress over him. Vujcic is also a better player on offense but he also plays zero defense so same thing.

Yotam Halperin is flat out a better player than Childress also. However, Halperin is the biggest choker of any player I have ever seen in my life. So because of that I will put Childress over him. Still, in any non-elimination game I would take Halperin over Childress every single time.

And these guys,

Theo Papaloukas
Panos Vasilopoulos
Yiannis Bourousis
Sofokolis Schortsanitis
Milos Teodosic

Are all much better than Childress. Now Sofo is a foul machine and only plays 10-15 minutes a game so you can take him out if you want to because even though he is better than Childress his lack of time on the court is a big issue. But even then that leaves,

Theo Papaloukas
Panos Vasilopoulos
Yiannis Bourousis
Milos Teodosic

All of those players on Olympiacos are better than Childress. I doubt if you even know who those players are. Scratch that, I know you have no idea who they are. Because you are so fake.

Finally, your assertion that the third best player on a top 4 Euroleague club is a "superstar" is more pure BS and nonsense. Absolutely not. There are a handful of superstars in the Euroleague and that is it. Certainly not the third best player on teams.

Well arguing with you that Schortsianitis or Teodosic are today better players than Childress is just laughable and shows your ignorance. Schortsianitis has been practically two years without playing, because he was so fat and attending so much to Mc Donalds that he wasnt able even to play at a professional level. He turned back for the eurobasketball and he is a completely role player at his team, but that is enough for being better than Childress ok. You are just a fanatic

About Teodosic much of the same. He has been years and years warming the bench at Olympiacos, his role has been less than testimonial and now he starts the season in a good shape after the Euro and he is better than Childress?

You are pathetic.

And Bouroussis is not a choker? Vujcic is twice the player Bouroussis is

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Answering your last post.
He can make lay ups, don't you see the highlights that he have? He's not just a scoring machine, thing that you expect to do just because the best european players in NBA are trully scorers.
And he's improving a lot is jump shot, if you saw him about 2 years ago he was terrible and now he's getting average .. he's just 19 years old .. have a lot of time to improve his weakness. Don't you think that?

And i insist that he got the best IQ level, but Papaloukas got the best execution. Understand? Rubio sometimes loose silly balls, but the vision and the intencion is there.

Rubio shoots wide open shots and yet he struggles. He has a set shot with no elevation. He has bad form, a low release point, and a slow release. He makes Jason Kidd seem like Larry Bird by comparison. Yes, Rubio makes layups and yes he has highlights all over (that's all part of the insane hype machine), but he struggles to finish at the rim or on drives and layups to put it mildly.

He has no athletic explosion at all. He is left open to make those drives and yet can struggle to finish them. If you apply defense on him he cannot score a layup.

As for the b-ball IQ of Euroleague point guards, to me Papaloukas is by far #1. Rubio is not even in the same discussion with him. After that it would be Prigioni and Jasikevicius and that is where you could argue Rubio is at and being 19 that he could with more time and experience develop fully to the level they are at in not turning the ball over so much as he does now.

But basically his IQ level is in that Prigioni and Jasikevicius level. I'm not saying that is not good because that is very, very good. Great actually. Those are extremely smart guards. However, on the pick and roll Jasikevicius is smarter than Rubio by quite a lot.

Rubio's IQ for the game is very good, but it's not in the Steve Nash, Larry Bird, John Stockton level. It's definitely not and yet we hear over and over and even in this topic people state that it is. Once again that = hype and overrating. I mean people actually comparing his basketball IQ with Larry Bird. I don't think words can describe how much that is pure hype. Rubio is a very smart player but he's not even in the same planet as Bird. But yes people say he is. Crazy hype.

[Maga_1]

I never heard that comparasion between Bird and Rubio, i heard between Rubio and Maravich with actually i think that is a decent comparasion. Don't you think?

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Definitely you have never seen Rubio play. Its impossible to say that when he is an excellente defensive player. In fact he was named 2009 Spanish ACB league defensive player of the year (Spanish ACB league is miles ahead of any other european league), he led the spanish ACB league in steals in 2007 and 2009, he was named spanish ACB best PG at 2008, he has been named FIBA European young player of the year in 2007 and 2008 (and will win it again in 2009), he has been named Mr Europa best european player of the year in 2008...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Rubio

Quite an impressive collection of awards for a kid, that won all those top basketball awards being no more than 18 years old. The world seems to have turned crazy

If Calathes isnt able to make the Greek national and is a third string PG at his club. That is not Rubio's fault

Because Rubio being younger is the starting PG at Barcelona, at the Spanish NT that won gold at eurobasketbal and was also the starter at the final rounds of the Spanish NT that won the silver medal in the olympic games, being only 17 years old. Coincidentally all this teams have a thing in common. They have been greatly succesful with Rubio being a starter. They win and win, and win, and win, and win


If Calathes playing for worst teams isnt able to make it, or is a third string PG. It means something


It is funny how you don't even understand why Calathes was brought up. Keep drinking the kool aid man. As far as the Spanish national team goes, Rubio is a minor role player on that team. So what? Big deal. Take him off either team and replace his role with Rodriguez, Calderon, Cabezas and they have the same exact results. Silver at 2008 Olympics and gold at 2009 EuroBasket.

Why are you even bringing up the Spanish national team? He's just another minor role player there and not even integral to the team. He's not even needed for them to medal. Actually, he's more of a media hype sideshow than anything. He certainly didn't play well at the EuroBasket. And in case you forgot he struggled so much at the start of the tournament that Spain almost got eliminated in the first stage by Great Britain. Those are the facts, but you don't like facts, you only like the false Rubio hype.

As for those awards, what does it matter that he won these youth tournament awards and these ACB league awards? It does not even matter. Why should anyone care what he has won in youth junior tournaments? Why should anyone care that he won some ACB league awards? Wow, he won some freaking awards in a second tier POS European league.

The ACB? Really? Now that is impressive man. I mean he actually won some awards in the 2nd-4th best league in Europe. Wonderful.

[Maga_1]

As for those awards, what does it matter that he won these youth tournament awards and these ACB league awards? It does not even matter. Why should anyone care what he has won in youth junior tournaments? Why should anyone care that he won some ACB league awards? Wow, he won some freaking awards in a second tier POS European league.

The ACB? Really? Now that is impressive man. I mean he actually won some awards in the 2nd-4th best league in Europe. Wonderful.

Don't start with that crap again, please.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Well arguing with you that Schortsianitis or Teodosic are today better players than Childress is just laughable and shows your ignorance. Schortsianitis has been practically two years without playing, because he was so fat and attending so much to Mc Donalds that he wasnt able even to play at a professional level. He turned back for the eurobasketball and he is a completely role player at his team, but that is enough for being better than Childress ok. You are just a fanatic

About Teodosic much of the same. He has been years and years warming the bench at Olympiacos, his role has been less than testimonial and now he starts the season in a good shape after the Euro and he is better than Childress?

You are pathetic.

And Bouroussis is not a choker? Vujcic is twice the player Bouroussis is

OK, with this post you earned an ignore. You are beyond absurd. You are here solely to troll. I will not respond to you anymore.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Don't start with that crap again, please.

I stated the truth. Something that you guys seem to dislike.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

I never heard that comparasion between Bird and Rubio, i heard between Rubio and Maravich with actually i think that is a decent comparasion. Don't you think?

I think it's one of the most ridiculous player comparisons of all time. They could not possibly be any more different.

[Maga_1]

I think it's one of the most ridiculous player comparisons of all time. They could not possibly be any more different.

Explain me why.

[Yuki Nagato]

Lakas, where do you come from? You're arguing with a bunch of europeans here and you never say your nationality. I'm starting to thinking that you're american, that would explain your arrogance, stubborness and your superficial point of view about the game.

[Hyman]

It is funny how you don't even understand why Calathes was brought up. Keep drinking the kool aid man. As far as the Spanish national team goes, Rubio is a minor role player on that team. So what? Big deal. Take him off either team and replace his role with Rodriguez, Calderon, Cabezas and they have the same exact results. Silver at 2008 Olympics and gold at 2009 EuroBasket.

Why are you even bringing up the Spanish national team? He's just another minor role player there and not even integral to the team. He's not even needed for them to medal. Actually, he's more of a media hype sideshow than anything. He certainly didn't play well at the EuroBasket. And in case you forgot he struggled so much at the start of the tournament that Spain almost got eliminated in the first stage by Great Britain. Those are the facts, but you don't like facts, you only like the false Rubio hype.

As for those awards, what does it matter that he won these youth tournament awards and these ACB league awards? It does not even matter. Why should anyone care what he has won in youth junior tournaments? Why should anyone care that he won some ACB league awards? Wow, he won some freaking awards in a second tier POS European league.

The ACB? Really? Now that is impressive man. I mean he actually won some awards in the 2nd-4th best league in Europe. Wonderful.

In fact, I havent put you any of the junior tournaments award he has won. All the awards I have put you is playing professional basketball in order you couldnt make excuses. But you still make them

You say that you know about european baketball and you say that ACB is between the 2nd and the 4th best league in Europe? When everybody knows, included the most fanatic guys, that ACB is miles ahead more competitive than any other domestic league of the continent. And you dare to claim knowing about european basketball by saying that ACB is somewhere neat the 2nd and the 4th spot, when they could spot at least easily six teams (Madrid, Tau, Barcelona, Valencia, Unicaja, Joventut) in the top 16 of the Euroleague when any other league is able to spot more than two?

Really you are laughable, you're arguments are so poor that you have turn into a comical character. You blame me for putting Rubio's achievements in junior tournaments, when precisely I've done totally the oppositte. Now you say that ACB is somewhere between the 2nd and the 4th best league of Europe, when it is widely recognized, by every european guy you ask as the best domestic league by a mile. In fact the other domestic leagues are so poor (Greece, Russia, Israel...) that teams like Oly, PAO, Maccabi or CSKA have made a proposal to dont play their domestic league and play only a much longer european league, because they only lose money and money, as the level is so low, that the attendances are ridiculous

Really you have no idea. Its so obvious that is ridiculous. You are on of the most ignorant persons about european basketball I've known in my life. And I say this from the bottom of my heart. Its soooo obvious that you are not european and that you dont understand many of the things that happen in here...

Saying that ACB is somewhere between the 2nd and the 4th best European league is one of the most ignorant statements I've heard in a long time. Because there's no even a discussion. Theres much less distance between Euroleague and ACB, than between ACB and anyother european league. All the teams from 10th and below from any european other domestic league, are worst, than the last team of ACB

[Hyman]

Lakas, where do you come from? You're arguing with a bunch of europeans here and you never say your nationality. I'm starting to thinking that you're american, that would explain your arrogance, stubborness and your superficial point of view about the game.

I will bet my life he is not european. His passion for basketball is so great, but his ignorance of european baskteball so big, that its really impossible that he is one of them

At most, he has been born there or lived there for a few years, but he is an expatriate, who has lived all his life at America, Australia or who knows which other continent and that doesnt understand nothing about how the game is played in here

He doesnt even know the basical things I knew when I was 12 years old. When I say basical things, I say basical things

He didnt know which position Spanoulis played, he didnt knew the status of ACB in Europe, he didnt knew that assists in Europe are counted different than in NBA, he didnt knew that Rubio was an excellent defesnive player and that coincidentally every european guy that has seen him play regularly accords that he is great and that makes his temmates so much better

He is only a freak, obsessed with European basketball that only look statistics but that in fact doesnt know nothing. He just doesnt understand the game. Its like if suddenly someone becomes a fanatic of Asian basketball, and starts to look stats and get his information from web pages. But it will pass years and years until you can really understand the game and discuss at an equal level with asiatic guys that have followed this sport and lived it inside since they where kids. Lakas is know in this period of his life. But they will pass years and years until he understands the game.

Some european guys in here. For example the portuguese guy... Do u think that ACB league is somewhere between the 2nd and the 4th best of Europe? Isnt that a completely laughable statement that even the most fanatic european non-spanish guy would reject?

[Dunaprenti]

I think he is Greek or something. I remember him stating that Athens is one of the best places to live and play ball :oldlol:

[Hyman]

OK, with this post you earned an ignore. You are beyond absurd. You are here solely to troll. I will not respond to you anymore.

The worst of all is that you really believe, that Schortsianitis, that in last years euroleague averaged 8 minutes per game; and Teodosic that in last years euroleague averaged 14 minutes per game, and only played 2 minutes in the final 4 semifinal match against Panathinaikos (the most important of the season); are more important players than Childress, that last year averaged 24 minutes per game and that played 28 minutes in the decisive match against Panathinaikos

[Hyman]

I think he is Greek or something. I remember him stating that Athens is one of the best places to live and play ball :oldlol:

At most, he is from greek descent. Its impossible he is an aunthentic greek who has lived there all his life. Really, its impossible

[artificial]

It's so nice to see some people with actual knowledge on european basketball posting their insights.


Still, it's really sad to see it was all triggered by a troll. I'm pretty sure some of the guys that reply here could post very interesting threads about european ball. And so far, it all seems wasted in decoy threads like this one.

[Hyman]

Lakas, where do you come from? You're arguing with a bunch of europeans here and you never say your nationality. I'm starting to thinking that you're american, that would explain your arrogance, stubborness and your superficial point of view about the game.

Every european from the post, knows he is not european. At most from european origin or that has lived in Europe when he was a kid (probably Greece, although he claims being spaniard despite not knowing a single word). But he is not a european, who has lived regularly in this continent and that knows what basketball is like in here. Its quite obvious and I think, that if you are a real european, it is easy to tell he is not. His ignorance of the game, is so, so, so big that you can only think that European league is only a foreign league for him which he follows via stats, things he has heard and since not a long time ago

[Dunaprenti]

Every european from the post, knows he is not european. At most from european origin or that has lived in Europe when he was a kid (probably Greece, although he claims being spaniard despite not knowing a single word). But he is not a european, who has lived regularly in this continent and that knows what basketball is like in here. Its quite obvious and I think, that if you are a real european, it is easy to tell he is not. His ignorance of the game, is so, so, so big that you can only think that European league is only a foreign league for him which he follows via stats, things he has heard and since not a long time ago

I think so too... Although I agree that Rubio is hyped up a lot, he is nowhere near as bad or mediocre as Lakas is saying. He is 19 and is playing well the most difficult position in basketball...

[Hyman]

And please Lakas, dont argue that ACB is the best league of Europe by looking at the recent euroleague champions, because a league is not made of one or two good teams (Israel, Greece, Russia)

It is made of 18 teams who are competitive and that can win you on a bad day. ACB has had 4 different Champions in the last 4 years

In Greece PAO has won the last 7 championships, in Russia CSKA the last 7, and in Israel Maccabi 14 of the last 15

Yeah, that are competitive leagues and not ACB

Moreover Unicaja is on the top of its group at Euroleague with a 5-1 balance, in ACB it is 3-7, just next to relegation positions

[liljohnnywall]

John Wall is better than Ricky Rubo.

[Hyman]

John Wall is better than Ricky Rubo.

I have never seen John Wall play so I would not argue against that. Not like Lakas does, he argues about things based solely on statistics, without having seen more than 3 games and knowing nothing about european basketball

But if John Wall is going to be better than Ricky Rubio, he is going to be very good. Havent had the opportunity to see him play

[liljohnnywall]

I have never seen John Wall play so I would not argue against that. Not like Lakas does, he argues about things based solely on statistics, without having seen more than 3 games and knowing nothing about european basketball

But if John Wall is going to be better than Ricky Rubio, he is going to be very good. Havent had the opportunity to see him play

saturday wall UK is going up against UNC Tar Heels. It is on national tv ill post a link if you need one when time comes.

[Hyman]

saturday wall UK is going up against UNC Tar Heels. It is on national tv ill post a link if you need one when time comes.

Im not american, so I would appreciate it :lol

[liljohnnywall]

Im not american, so I would appreciate it :lol
pm me to remind me or i'll forget.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Hyman should be banned immediately. He has claimed over and over that the Spanish League is the best league in Europe. No. The EUROLEAGUE is the best league in Europe. The Spanish League is something that no one on Earth outside of Spain gives a damn about.

No one outside of Spain cares that Rubio won some awards in a crappy third tier pro league.

These are the FACTS and not the ravings of some guy on Rubio's payroll.

First Tier Leagues

1. NBA

Second Tier Leagues

2. Euroleague

Third Tier Leagues

3. Spanish League (maybe because this is even debatable that it's even deserving of this spot)
4. Greek League
5. Italian League
6. Eurocup
7. Russian League
8. Adriatic League
9. United League (starting next year it will be in the #3 spot)
10. Turkish League
11. Baltic League
12. NBA D-League

After that you have the fourth tier leagues like Germany, Israel, France and then you have the fifth tier leagues like ABA, CBA, China, Australia, Argentina, Puerto Rico, Brazil, Americas, Americana and so forth.

Under no circumstances whatsoever, is the Spanish League anything above the THIRD BEST league in the world. And it is VERY FAR from the level of the second league. It's not even remotely close to the level of the second league. In fact, this supposedly great league according to Spanish homers and fan boys has won a grand total of ONE EUROLEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP IN THE LAST FIFTEEN YEARS.

Let me repeat that, this so-called "best league in Europe" has won ONE EUROLEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP IN THE LAST FIFTEEN YEARS. The last time the Spanish League won a Euroleague championship was 2003.

And yet we have to listen to these certifiably insane Spanish homers call it the "best league in Europe". Well the FACT is that the Spanish League is far, far, FAR below the best league in Europe, which is the EUROLEAGUE.

The Spanish League is a THIRD TIER league. And is very far from the level of the second best league. Why the hell on freaking Earth does Rubio winning some award in the Spanish League mean anything to anyone that is not a complete nut sack rider? Seriously, enough already. Just stop it. STOP.

Oh and one more thing, guess what? Officially next year the "best domestic league in Europe" the Spanish League will officially not even be able to claim that. Next year the Russian League, the Baltic League, and the United League merge together and that league will be significantly better and superior to the Spanish League. And then these Spanish fan boys will really look like trolls, even more than now.

[LJJ]

I know it is called the Euroleague, but when talking about leagues in general obviously people mean domestic basketball. And the Spanish league is definitely one of the best.

Spanish teams make the final four in the Euroleague nearly every year.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

I know it is called the Euroleague, but when talking about leagues in general obviously people mean domestic basketball. And the Spanish league is definitely one of the best.

Spanish teams make the final four in the Euroleague nearly every year.

And yet they have won only one Euroleague championship in the last 15 years. This troll Hyman states "the best league in Europe". He has not once said anything other than "the best league in Europe". According to him the Spanish League is better than the Euroleague.

Also, once again, the way he talks there is simply no debate that any other league in Europe can compare to the Spanish League. Yet, once again, the supposedly big and bad and mighty Spanish League has managed a grand total of one Euroleague championship in the last 15 years. It's quite bizarre really. Imagine if the SEC only had one national championship in college football in the last FIFTEEN YEARS. I wonder how many people would universally brag about it being superior and better than every other league?

Anyway, to state it again, next season the VTB League will merge with Russian A and with with the BBL. That means that OFFICIALLY next year no Spanish homer will ever again be able to claim that the Spanish League is "the best domestic league in Europe". Because it will be a far cry from the VTB League, which will actually be a second tier league and not a third tier league like the ACB.

And once again, Hyman has never once said anything other than "the Spanish League is the best league in Europe".........yep, and the D-League is also the best league in North America. :rolleyes:

And can you explain how if the Spanish League is actually even half as good as the Spanish HOMERS say it is, how then it can only win the Euroleague one time in fifteen years? Care to shed any light or wisdom on that? Here's a hint for you, it's not nearly as good as these Spanish jock riders say it is.

[LJJ]

Actually, the last 15 years include 2 Spanish winners. And the last 16 champions include 3. 3 out of last 16 sounds a lot better than the 1 out of 15 you want us to believe.

Also, if you talk about this season, the Spanish are doing pretty well so far.

The way I see it they are one of the top leagues in Europe. It's hard tough to compare entire leagues like that, and it's definitely as if one league clearly stands out. But if you are going to name one the best, it might as well be Spain. You can't argue that they aren't one of the top leagues in Europe.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Actually, the last 15 years include 2 Spanish winners. And the last 16 champions include 3. 3 out of last 16 sounds a lot better than the 1 out of 15 you want us to believe.

Also, if you talk about this season, the Spanish are doing pretty well so far.

The way I see it they are one of the top leagues in Europe. It's hard tough to compare entire leagues like that, and it's definitely as if one league clearly stands out. But if you are going to name one the best, it might as well be Spain. You can't argue that they aren't one of the top leagues in Europe.

Actually, no you are wrong. The Spanish League has 1 out of the last 15 Euroleague championships. Not 2. The Suproleague is an official Euroleague championship. And it would be 2 out of the last 16, not 3.

So let's say 2 out of the last 16. Why can this league if it is even half as superior and dominant as these Spanish fan boys say it is - how can it manage to only win 2 of the last 16 championships?

Or let's go further with this. The Spanish League has won 3 out of the last 30 Euroleague championships. So answer me this. If the SEC had won 3 out of the last 30 college football championships would it be considered the same way people think of it now?

I mean wow, this supposedly amazing and totally dominant league has 3 out of the last 30 Euroleague championships. It's really quite impressive how you can be supposedly ten times better than every other league in Europe and yet only manage to win a continental championship once every 10 years.

And mind you that never does this troll Hyman say something like "the Spanish League is the best domestic league in Europe" or "the Spanish League is one of the best leagues in Europe". Nope. He says emphatically over and over "the Spanish League is the best league in Europe". It just proves the point again. All this ridiculous hype and overrating and exaggerating that comes from the Rubio fan boys is overboard. And besides as I already said, next year the BBL, the Superleague A, and the VTB leagues will all merge together into one league. At that point there is no doubt that it will be a better league than the ACB. Which will mean that the ACB at best will be the third best league in Europe. Even then when it is the third best league in Europe at best, trolls like Hyman will be saying things like "Spanish League is the best league in Europe and anyone that says any different is a liar."

[LJJ]

Actually, no you are wrong. The Spanish League has 1 out of the last 15 Euroleague championships. Not 2. The Suproleague is an official Euroleague championship. And it would be 2 out of the last 16, not 3.

1994 champ: Joventut
1995 champ: Real Madrid
2003 champ: Barcelona.

[Yuki Nagato]

Hyman should be banned immediately. He has claimed over and over that the Spanish League is the best league in Europe. No. The EUROLEAGUE is the best league in Europe. The Spanish League is something that no one on Earth outside of Spain gives a damn about.


Ok, now it is clear that you aren't european. This is like saying the Premier League or La Liga aren't the best leagues in the continent because there are the Champions League :lol. Although both competitions have the "league" word in their name, both champions league and euroleague are a TOURNAMENT (like a world cup, you know, very similar format). You clearly don't understand the concept of a real league. You are a moron, simple as that.

[LJJ]

Ok, now is clear that you aren't european. This is like saying the Premier League or La Liga aren't the best leagues in the continent because there are the Champions League :lol.

Don't let it fool you. Lakas is definitely European and he definitely knows his European basketball.

He just likes to use whatever arbitrary means he can to further his argument.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

1994 champ: Joventut
1995 champ: Real Madrid
2003 champ: Barcelona.

That makes 3 in the last 17 years. It's also 3 in the last 30 years. 2 in the last 16 and 1 in the last 15. You could also say 1 in the last 7. Which only proves my point. If the ACB is even HALF as good as the Spanish homers say it is, then it should be winning the Euroleague about half of the time instead of 1 out of 10 times.

You see the thing is that these Spanish homers simply lie and are full of BS. The Spanish League is not 10 times better than leagues like Greece and Italy. It's only very slightly better. Yet these Spanish homers keep spreading their nonsense about how you could not even compare any other European league to it.

Of course the facts are not on their side. They are homers and they are only on these forums to spread BS. They also distort and warp what Americans think. They are a joke. Don't Americans wonder why Rudy Fernandez didn't turn out to be Kobe or even Jordan? After all that is how these same Spanish homers hyped him up to be. Now Americans still believes their crap about Rubio.

Just exactly what does it take for American basketball fans to figure out they are full of BS and this all a big hype machine? But do American b-ball fans figure it out? No. Instead they criticize and make fun of anyone telling them the truth. But yeah Rudy sure turned out just as good as the Spanish hype machine claimed and yeah so will Rubio. :rolleyes:

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Ok, now it is clear that you aren't european. This is like saying the Premier League or La Liga aren't the best leagues in the continent because there are the Champions League :lol. Although both competitions have the "league" word in their name, both champions league and euroleague are a TOURNAMENT (like a world cup, you know, very similar format). You clearly don't understand the concept of a real league. You are a moron, simple as that.

Are you going to even form an argument or is it beyond your ability? And yes believe it or not the Euroleague is a league. You are a funny guy. You are also a comedian for trying to claim that Champions League is not the best league in football. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

[LJJ]

That makes 3 in the last 17 years. It's also 3 in the last 30 years. 2 in the last 16 and 1 in the last 15. You could also say 1 in the last 7. This is not complicated.

In other words:
2009 - 17 years = 1994


:roll:

Son, I got you covered:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=32b0d059-b53a-4dc9-8265-da47f157c091&displaylang=en

[Hyman]

The level of a league is not measured by the best or the two best teams of the league. Its measured by the average level

Lakas is not european, coincidentally al the people that claim he is european are the ones that are not european. If they were european they will knew that Lakas isnt one because everything he says is a barbarity

He puts in the same tier league the spanish and the NBA D-League. Okay, when the truth is that there is much difference is competitiveness between the spanish league and the greek, italian or russian league, than between the Euroleague and the spanish league

But well, he has no idea, so this is like tying to explain someone something impossible. He basis his statement in a singularity or two, that a league has, all the rest doesnt matter. As he has no idea of the average level of the leagues clubs, its impossible for him to understand or to accept, that six of the spanish teams could advance to the next round of the euroleague.

For any other nation it will be a succes to put three in the next round. Greece's third team performance at Euroleague are always hilarious. Spaniards Valencia and Joventut, are of much higher level than Greece third team

In reference to organization, marketing, money and attendance Spanish league is also, not a little bit, not a lot, but very very very much advanced than any other european league

http://www.ballineurope.com/countries/italy/the-acb-is-still-the-leader-in-attendance/

As I've said the difference between the average level of the spanish league and the other domestic european leagues, is much higher than difference between the spanish league average level and the euroleague. And every european will admit that. Theres no even a discussion about it. The difference is such, that Olympiakos, CSKA, Maccabi or PAO want to dissolve their league and play their own european league, with more matches just as NBA style because they dont find any competition in their leagues, they dont have fun, neither players or fans and they are totally deficitiary.They can go and win their league losing 0, 1 or 2 matches in the whole season. Something that is laughable if we talk about spanish league

The average level of euroleague is sooo low for the spaniards except 4 or 5 teams, that the attendances at the arenas are much higher when they play spanish league matches than european league matches.

According to the bookies, there are 4 spanish teams between the 9 first favourites for winning the Euroleague.
And if 6 spanish teams where admitted. The 6th spaniard will appear before than the third of any other domestic league. But yes, they are all in the same tier. Oly, PAO, CSKA or Maccabi would die for playing in the spanish league and having their arenas crowded every match and find a little bit of competition
Surprisingly, the 3 top favourites for winning Eurocup, that is like the second division of Euroleague and that is played by not the top teams of each country are also spaniards

http://www.eurobet.com/sb.go?page=supergrouppage&sportid=5&supergroup=a1European%20Basketball&groupid=693462&lang=1&sid=1&ms=MS&type=0

http://www.megabet.com/basketball/eurocup/winner/

[Lakas Fan Yo]

In other words:
2009 - 17 years = 1994


:roll:

Son, I got you covered:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=32b0d059-b53a-4dc9-8265-da47f157c091&displaylang=en

Is this really giving you this much trouble? That's really making you look bad.

The last 30 Euroleague winners =

1981 Maccabi (Israeli League)
1982 Cantu (Italian League)
1983 Cantu (Italian League)
1984 Roma (Italian League)
1985 Cibona (Adriatic League)
1986 Cibona (Adriatic League)
1987 Milano (Italian League)
1988 Milano (Italian League)
1989 Split (Adriatic League)
1990 Split (Adriatic League)
1991 Split (Adriatic League)
1992 Partizan (Adriatic League)
1993 Limoges (French League)
1994 Badalona (Spanish League)
1995 Real Madrid (Spanish League)
1996 PAO (Greek League)
1997 Olympiacos (Greek League)
1998 Bologna (Italian League)
1999 Zalgiris (United League)
2000 PAO (Greek League)
2001 Maccabi (Israeli League)
2001 Bologna (Italian League)
2002 PAO (Greek League)
2003 Barca (Spanish League)
2004 Maccabi (Israeli League)
2005 Maccabi (Israeli League)
2006 CSKA (United League)
2007 PAO (Greek League)
2008 CSKA (United League)
2009 PAO (Greek League)

Some of them are FIBA and some are ULEB but they are all counted as official championships. I put the main league these clubs play in today next to the clubs in parentheses. This really is not very complicated.

As you can see the ACB has not dominated European basketball even though the Spanish homers keep LYING and saying it has. The ACB has 3 of the last 30 championships. 3 of the last 17 championships. 2 of the last 16 championships. 1 of the last 15 championships. 1 of the last 7 championships. The ACB last won a Euroleague championship in 2003. Just exactly like I said.

Here we have how the last 30 champions have been divided up amongst the different leagues. If that is not a legit sample size then nothing is. Here is the breakdown:

Italian League = 7 Euroleague championships

Greek League = 6 Euroleague championships

Adriatic League = 6 Euroleague championships

Israeli League = 4 Euroleague championships

United League = 3 Euroleague championships

Spanish League = 3 Euroleague championships

French League = 1 Euroleague championship


If the Spanish League was near what the Spanish homers say it is and was really so much more superior to all the other European leagues, then it could manage to do much better than that in winning continental titles. I bring up the SEC football conference because that is something that Americans should be able to understand. Since it is considered the best conference in college football. I am not sure about this, but I believe that the SEC has something like 7 of the last 30 national championships.

Now compare that to European pro basketball where the Spanish League has 3 of the last 30. And isn't it odd how in recent years this supposedly "dominant" and "superior" ACB league has only 1 of the last 7 championships?

And let's go with the fact that ACB has 3 Euroleague titles in the last 17 championships. Greek A1 has 6 of the last 15 championships. The United League has 3 of the last last 12 championships. Israeli League has 3 of the last 10 championships.

Now granted, I think in this case the Israeli League is a bit of an aberration because it is just one team. But still the point stands. It is SIMPLE LOGIC. If the ACB is as good as Spanish homers and Spanish fan boys claim (remember they claim it is leaps and bounds, head and shoulders, vastly superior to any other European league) - then quite simply, if that was really true, the ACB could at least manage to actually win the Euroleague, at the very least, as much as some of the other leagues that are said to be so vastly inferior to it.

And let me give you something else to consider. The ACB gets more clubs on average per year in the competition (that's because the ACB people founded ULEB)..........so grasp that. Even by having MORE TEAMS competing on average over the years, the ACB still can't win more than 1 out of 10 championships on average.

What the hell? Even with more chances than other leagues to win it they still win HALF as much as other leagues do? Even though the ACB is "vastly superior" to all those other leagues? The Spanish homers are too much.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

The level of a league is not measured by the best or the two best teams of the league. Its measured by the average level

Lakas is not european, coincidentally al the people that claim he is european are the ones that are not european. If they were european they will knew that Lakas isnt one because everything he says is a barbarity

He puts in the same tier league the spanish and the NBA D-League. Okay, when the truth is that there is much difference is competitiveness between the spanish league and the greek, italian or russian league, than between the Euroleague and the spanish league

But well, he has no idea, so this is like tying to explain someone something impossible. He basis his statement in a singularity or two, that a league has, all the rest doesnt matter. As he has no idea of the average level of the leagues clubs, its impossible for him to understand or to accept, that six of the spanish teams could advance to the next round of the euroleague.

For any other nation it will be a succes to put three in the next round. Greece's third team performance at Euroleague are always hilarious. Spaniards Valencia and Joventut, are of much higher level than Greece third team

In reference to organization, marketing, money and attendance Spanish league is also, not a little bit, not a lot, but very very very much advanced than any other european league

http://www.ballineurope.com/countries/italy/the-acb-is-still-the-leader-in-attendance/

As I've said the difference between the average level of the spanish league and the other domestic european leagues, is much higher than difference between the spanish league average level and the euroleague. And every european will admit that. Theres no even a discussion about it. The difference is such, that Olympiakos, CSKA, Maccabi or PAO want to dissolve their league and play their own european league, with more matches just as NBA style because they dont find any competition in their leagues, they dont have fun, neither players or fans and they are totally deficitiary.They can go and win their league losing 0, 1 or 2 matches in the whole season. Something that is laughable if we talk about spanish league

The average level of euroleague is sooo low for the spaniards except 4 or 5 teams, that the attendances at the arenas are much higher when they play spanish league matches than european league matches


I don't give a damn about the stupid attendance figures in the POS Spanish League. NEWS FLASH. Attendance figures do not dictate how good a league is.

And I did not say the D-League was as good as the ACB. I put the ACB #3 and the D-League #12. You are a joke, putting the ACB at #2. And so is Yuki Nagato. Absolutely ridiculous.

And enjoy next season when the VTB becomes better than the ACB. You can cry about it with the rest of the Spanish homers. Because then the ACB will be the #4 league.

Yeah the average level of the Euroleague is soooooooooo low for ACB teams as you claim that those ACB teams have an earth shattering 3 of the last 30 Euroleague championships. Keep drinking the kool aid.

And don't even make me laugh about you bragging about clubs like Valencia and Badalona. What a freaking crock of dog #$*&. Those mid level ACB clubs are in no way better than mid level clubs from Russia, Greece, or Adriatic.

[Hyman]

According to the bookies, there are 4 spanish teams between the 9 first favourites for winning the Euroleague.
And if 6 spanish teams where admitted. The 6th spaniard will appear before than the third of any other domestic league. But yes, they are all in the same tier. Oly, PAO, CSKA or Maccabi would die for playing in the spanish league and having their arenas crowded every match and find a little bit of competition
Surprisingly, the 3 top favourites for winning Eurocup, that is like the second division of Euroleague and that is played by not the top teams of each country are also spaniards

http://www.eurobet.com/sb.go?page=su...m s=MS&type=0

http://www.megabet.com/basketball/eurocup/winner/

[LJJ]

Is this really giving you this much trouble? That's really making you look bad.

Making me look bad? You think 1995 is not within the last 15 years? What a retard. You literally can not count? Really?

[Hyman]

Is this really giving you this much trouble? That's really making you look bad.

The last 30 Euroleague winners =

1981 Maccabi (Israeli League)
1982 Cantu (Italian League)
1983 Cantu (Italian League)
1984 Roma (Italian League)
1985 Cibona (Adriatic League)
1986 Cibona (Adriatic League)
1987 Milano (Italian League)
1988 Milano (Italian League)
1989 Split (Adriatic League)
1990 Split (Adriatic League)
1991 Split (Adriatic League)
1992 Partizan (Adriatic League)
1993 Limoges (French League)
1994 Badalona (Spanish League)
1995 Real Madrid (Spanish League)
1996 PAO (Greek League)
1997 Olympiacos (Greek League)
1998 Bologna (Italian League)
1999 Zalgiris (United League)
2000 PAO (Greek League)
2001 Maccabi (Israeli League)
2001 Bologna (Italian League)
2002 PAO (Greek League)
2003 Barca (Spanish League)
2004 Maccabi (Israeli League)
2005 Maccabi (Israeli League)
2006 CSKA (United League)
2007 PAO (Greek League)
2008 CSKA (United League)
2009 PAO (Greek League)

Some of them are FIBA and some are ULEB but they are all counted as official championships. I put the main league these clubs play in today next to the clubs in parentheses. This really is not very complicated.

As you can see the ACB has not dominated European basketball even though the Spanish homers keep LYING and saying it has. The ACB has 3 of the last 30 championships. 3 of the last 17 championships. 2 of the last 16 championships. 1 of the last 15 championships. 1 of the last 7 championships. The ACB last won a Euroleague championship in 2003. Just exactly like I said.

Here we have how the last 30 champions have been divided up amongst the different leagues. If that is not a legit sample size then nothing is. Here is the breakdown:

Italian League = 7 Euroleague championships

Greek League = 6 Euroleague championships

Adriatic League = 6 Euroleague championships

Israeli League = 4 Euroleague championships

United League = 3 Euroleague championships

Spanish League = 3 Euroleague championships

French League = 1 Euroleague championship


If the Spanish League was near what the Spanish homers say it is and was really so much more superior to all the other European leagues, then it could manage to do much better than that in winning continental titles. I bring up the SEC football conference because that is something that Americans should be able to understand. Since it is considered the best conference in college football and since college football. I am not sure about his, but I believe that the SEC has something like 7 of the last 30 national championships.

Now compare that to European pro basketball where the Spanish League has 3. And isn't it odd how in recent years this supposedly "dominant" and "superior" ACB league has 1 of the last 7 championships.?

And let's go with the fact that ACB has 3 Euroleague titles in the last 17 championships? Greek A1 has 6 of the last 15 championships. The United League has 3 of the last last 12 championships. Israeli League has 3 of the last 10 championships.

Now granted, I think in this the Israeli League is a bit of an aberration because it is just one team. But still the point stands. It is SIMPLE LOGIC. If the ACB is as good as Spanish homers and Spanish fan boys claim (remember they claim it is leaps and bounds, head and shoulders, vastly superior to any other European league) - then quite simply, if that was really true, the ACB could at least manage to actually win the Euroleague at the very least as much as some of the other leagues that are said to be so vastly inferior to it.

You seem to dont undertsand what is meant by being the league with highest average level. Normal, you have any idea what the level of a medium and low spanish team is.

The spanish league is much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much superior nowadays than anyother domestic league (dont say again Euroleague please). The other leagues only have a singularity or two. The level is so low they want to dissolve their leagues. OLY and PAO will die for playing in the spanish league. Is not a thought, is a fact

And for talking about the present level of the league you dont have to go backwards 30 years. Italian league has always been traditionally the strongest one in Europe. There was a time where Greek league was also very strong. Now the distance between spanish league and those leagues is enormous, not in relationship to the top two teams. But in relation to the average level

It look curious that there are 7 spanish teams in international competitions

And 4 of them are between the 9 favourites for winning the euroleague, and the other 3 are the favourites for winning the ulebcup

[Hyman]

You are an absolute JOKE. I don't give a damn about the stupid attendance figures int he POS Spanish League. NEWS FLASH. Attendance figures do not dictate how good a league is.

And I did not say the D-League was as good as the ACB you fool. I put the ACB #3 and the D-League #12 you tool.You are a freaking joke man, putting the ACB at #2. And so is Yuki Nagato. Absolutely ridiculous.

And enjoy next season when the VTB becomes better than the ACB. You can cry about it with the rest of the Spanish homers. Because then the ACB will be the #4 league.

Yeah the average level of the Euroleague is soooooooooo low for ACB teams as you claim that those ACB teams have an earth shattering 3 of the last 30 Euroleague championships. Keep drinking the kool aid.

And don't even make me laugh about you bragging about clubs like Valencia and Badalona. What a freaking crock of dog #$*&. Those mid level ACB clubs are in no way better than mid level clubs from Russia, Greece, or Adriatic.

The bookies dont seem to think the same

http://www.eurobet.com/sb.go?page=su...m s=MS&type=0

http://www.megabet.com/basketball/eurocup/winner/

The 6 team in Spain, would be according to the bookies, better than the 3rd team of any other european country

As I've said there are at the moment 7 spanish teams playing international competitions

For the bookies, which move a lot of money in such a way they get benefits. The 4 spanish teams playing euroleague are between the 9 favourites to win it. And the rest 3 playing Uleb Cup are the top 3 favourites to win it. But no, is has the level of the greek league. HAHAHAHA

[Lakas Fan Yo]

According to the bookies, there are 4 spanish teams between the 9 first favourites for winning the Euroleague.
And if 6 spanish teams where admitted. The 6th spaniard will appear before than the third of any other domestic league. But yes, they are all in the same tier. Oly, PAO, CSKA or Maccabi would die for playing in the spanish league and having their arenas crowded every match and find a little bit of competition
Surprisingly, the 3 top favourites for winning Eurocup, that is like the second division of Euroleague and that is played by not the top teams of each country are also spaniards

http://www.eurobet.com/sb.go?page=su...m s=MS&type=0

http://www.megabet.com/basketball/eurocup/winner/


The bookies know better than actual RESULTS right? Are these the same bookies that picked Barca to win the Euroleague last year? If you ever have a legit argument feel free to make it.

And while we are at it why don't you explain why Real Madrid, one of the two biggest Spanish clubs lost to Panionios, a mid level Greek club. Please feel free to explain how that happened. I mean since according to you even mid level Spanish clubs are vastly superior to mid level Greek clubs. And since you claim the level of the Euroleague is "sooooooooooo low" for these Spanish clubs.

Strange then how a lowly mid level Greek club beat Real Madrid in 1 out of 2 games in the Euroleague last year.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Making me look bad? You think 1995 is not within the last 15 years? What a retard. You literally can not count? Really?

Once again the ACB has 1 of the last 15 championships. That is a fact.

[Hyman]

The bookies know better than actual RESULTS right? Are these the same bookies that picked Barca to win the Euroleague last year? If you ever have a legit argument feel free to make it.

And while we are at it why don't you explain why Real Madrid, one of the two biggest Spanish clubs lost to Panionios, a mid level Greek club. Please feel free to explain how that happened.

Euroleague first round is for big teams intrascendent. However Real Madrid hasnt been a top european team for a while. If they only spent in basketall a tenth of the money they spent in football...

However they lost to Panionios a match, so... Panioniois was supposed to be the third best greek team and they finished at the bottom of their group, as Maroussi seems is going to do this year. On the contrary Madrid advanced confortably being second of their group, despite being very far away from being a top team...

And Spain lost to USA soccer team. Does that make team USA better than Spain nowadays?

Its very easy to understand and to admit that the spanish average level is much higer than any other domestic european league. Tring to say the contrary is simply being a fanatic or not having a clue about the average level

[Lakas Fan Yo]

You seem to dont undertsand what is meant by being the league with highest average level. Normal, you have any idea what the level of a medium and low spanish team is.

The spanish league is much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much superior nowadays than anyother domestic league (dont say again Euroleague please). The other leagues only have a singularity or two. The level is so low they want to dissolve their leagues. OLY and PAO will die for playing in the spanish league. Is not a thought, is a fact

And for talking about the present level of the league you dont have to go backwards 30 years. Italian league has always been traditionally the strongest one in Europe. There was a time where Greek league was also very strong. Now the distance between spanish league and those leagues is enormous, not in relationship to the top two teams. But in relation to the average level

It look curious that there are 7 spanish teams in international competitions

And 4 of them are between the 9 favourites for winning the euroleague, and the other 3 are the favourites for winning the ulebcup

Do you really want me to keep embarrassing you and proving you are a troll? Because I will continue to do so. Now you are bringing up mid level ACB teams? Why would you do that? Do you want me to list how many times mid level Spanish clubs have been defeated in European competitions in recent years by mid level clubs from other leagues?

Are you even aware that mid level Spanish clubs are no better than mid level clubs from Greece, Russia, and Adriatic? Do you really want the list of how many times the mid level ACB clubs lose to other mid level clubs from other countries posted here? I mean after all you and the other Spanish homers have been successful so far in your propaganda campaign. You actually have Americans believing your BS. But that can easily be changed if you want to keep it up.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

The bookies dont seem to think the same

http://www.eurobet.com/sb.go?page=su...m s=MS&type=0

http://www.megabet.com/basketball/eurocup/winner/

The 6 team in Spain, would be according to the bookies, better than the 3rd team of any other european country

As I've said there are at the moment 7 spanish teams playing international competitions

For the bookies, which move a lot of money in such a way they get benefits. The 4 spanish teams playing euroleague are between the 9 favourites to win it. And the rest 3 playing Uleb Cup are the top 3 favourites to win it. But no, is has the level of the greek league. HAHAHAHA

The level of your argument is not whether Spanish teams win or lose, it's what the bookies say about them. BRILLIANT. It's sad and pathetic that this is all you are left with now.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Euroleague first round is for big teams intrascendent. However Real Madrid hasnt been a top european team for a while. If they only spent in basketall a tenth of the money they spent in football...

However they lost to Panionios a match, so... Panioniois was supposed to be the third best greek team and they finished at the bottom of their group, as Maroussi seems is going to do this year. On the contrary Madrid advanced confortably being second of their group, despite being very far away from being a top team...

And Spain lost to USA soccer team. Does that make team USA better than Spain nowadays?

Its very easy to understand and to admit that the spanish average level is much higer than any other domestic european league. Tring to say the contrary is simply being a fanatic or not having a clue about the average level

Right. So as has already been proved you are totally full of BS.

[LJJ]

http://i48.tinypic.com/xljsk7.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/9ir4mt.jpg

[Lakas Fan Yo]

http://i48.tinypic.com/xljsk7.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/9ir4mt.jpg

Apparently you can't count. You really are embarrassing yourself now mate.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

LJJ, these are the last 15 Euroleague champions.

1. 1996 PAO (Greek League)
2. 1997 Olympiacos (Greek League)
3. 1998 Bologna (Italian League)
4. 1999 Zalgiris (United League)
5. 2000 PAO (Greek League)
6. 2001 Maccabi (Israeli League)
7. 2001 Bologna (Italian League)
8. 2002 PAO (Greek League)
9. 2003 Barca (Spanish League)
10. 2004 Maccabi (Israeli League)
11. 2005 Maccabi (Israeli League)
12. 2006 CSKA (United League)
13. 2007 PAO (Greek League)
14. 2008 CSKA (United League)
15. 2009 PAO (Greek League)

Spanish ACB has 1 out of the last 15 championships. Is there some reason why you can't grasp this LJJ?

[LJJ]

LJJ, these are the last 15 Euroleague champions.

1. 1996 PAO (Greek League)
2. 1997 Olympiacos (Greek League)
3. 1998 Bologna (Italian League)
4. 1999 Zalgiris (United League)
5. 2000 PAO (Greek League)
6. 2001 Maccabi (Israeli League)
7. 2001 Bologna (Italian League)
8. 2002 PAO (Greek League)
9. 2003 Barca (Spanish League)
10. 2004 Maccabi (Israeli League)
11. 2005 Maccabi (Israeli League)
12. 2006 CSKA (United League)
13. 2007 PAO (Greek League)
14. 2008 CSKA (United League)
15. 2009 PAO (Greek League)

Spanish ACB has 1 out of the last 15 championships. Is there some reason why you can't grasp this LJJ?

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[Lakas Fan Yo]

LJJ, these are the last 15 Euroleague champions.

1. 1996 PAO (Greek League)
2. 1997 Olympiacos (Greek League)
3. 1998 Bologna (Italian League)
4. 1999 Zalgiris (United League)
5. 2000 PAO (Greek League)
6. 2001 Maccabi (Israeli League)
7. 2001 Bologna (Italian League)
8. 2002 PAO (Greek League)
9. 2003 Barca (Spanish League)
10. 2004 Maccabi (Israeli League)
11. 2005 Maccabi (Israeli League)
12. 2006 CSKA (United League)
13. 2007 PAO (Greek League)
14. 2008 CSKA (United League)
15. 2009 PAO (Greek League)

I guess if you keep it up on insisting that your lies are true and the facts are lies, then mods will have to intervene.

[Drinker]

Guys, please.

these thread has come from interesting to... annoying.

Don't you notice this lakas guys is just saying the same nosense over and over and over...

stop trying to put logic into an empty head becosue you won't succed. you can't fill a brain if there's no brain.

And you right. he can't be from europe. Comparing the champions football league with "la liga" and "premier" was enough proof.

just don't feed anymore the troll and he will vanish

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Guys, please.

these thread has come from interesting to... annoying.

Don't you notice this lakas guys is just saying the same nosense over and over and over...

stop trying to put logic into an empty head becosue you won't succed. you can't fill a brain if there's no brain.

And you right. he can't be from europe. Comparing the champions football league with "la liga" and "premier" was enough proof.

just don't feed anymore the troll and he will vanish

Just because you are obviously a Spanish homer and a troll does not mean that you own this thread or the opinion on this forum. I'm the one posting the logic and facts. Not the rest of you. And it's eating you up because you are getting owned.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

An update on Rubio's Euroleague season stats so far:

33.3% Field Goal %
26.7% 3 Point Field Goal %

5.1 Points Per Game
3.3 Rebounds Per Game
4.9 Assists Per Game

1.1 Steals Per Game
0.0 Blocks Per Game

1.9 Turnovers Per Game


"Total domination". :rolleyes: Looks like all the Spanish homers and Rubio lovers predictions keep getting consistently proven wrong again and again.

[MeLO MvP 15]

holy sh!t, his stats suck... how many games has he played... well minny should just trade him now...

[qrich]

Spanoulis > Rubio
Spanoulis > Chris Paul

Right?

Sofoklis S. is also 10 times the player Chris Kaman and Marcus Camby can ever DREAM of being.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

holy sh!t, his stats suck... how many games has he played... well minny should just trade him now...

Yep. But according to all the basketball "experts" in this forum he "dominates Europe", he is "the best point guard in Europe", he is "the best player in Europe".

There is no doubt that the Rubio lovers are the biggest fan boys of all time. Rubio is also the most overrated player to ever live.

[Dunaprenti]

Erazem Lorbek:
PPG: 7.6
RPG: 3.5
APG: 2
SPG: 1.3
2P%: 52.3%
3P%: 20%
FT%: 70.6%

Juan Carlos Navaro:
PPG: 13.7
RPG: 1.4
APG: 3.3
SPG: 0.9
2P%: 52%
3P%: 37.5%
FT%: 88.9%

Not exactly stellar statistics either. Nice agenda by the way. You forgot to mention that Rubio is 100% from the free throw line :lol

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Erazem Lorbek:
PPG: 7.6
RPG: 3.5
APG: 2
SPG: 1.3
2P%: 52.3%
3P%: 20%
FT%: 70.6%

Juan Carlos Navaro:
PPG: 13.7
RPG: 1.4
APG: 3.3
SPG: 0.9
2P%: 52%
3P%: 37.5%
FT%: 88.9%

Not exactly stellar statistics either. Nice agenda by the way. You forgot to mention that Rubio is 100% from the free throw line :lol

Are you actually comparing those stats to Rubio's? I mean seriously GET REAL. Rubio's stats are AWFUL.

And please show me where or when anyone claimed that Lorbek or Navarro were the best players in Europe or even the best European players that ever lived. Because that is what ALL the Spanish homers and Rubio fans claim. That Rubio is the greatest European player that ever lived.

It's unreal how people still can't figure out that Rubio is 95% media hype.

[TROLL_HUNTER]

Oh my godness..... this is the type of thread I have to break in, urgently. I can see more trolls than in any LOTR movie. really disgusting.

Obviously, Lakas is a HATER, in capitals. and the other ones who are putting down Rubio ...well, obviously they are highlights watchers. just for the sake of clarification of everybody I will spare some of my "wisdom" or knowledge with some points:

1.- Real Madrid is the club with more European Cups (what is now known as Euroligue) they have got NINE, which amounts a bit more than all your stats over the last 15 years. only a small detail. now, real facts over Rubio:

2 .- AWARD TO THE BEST YOUNG PLAYER IN EUROPE, IN 2007 AND 2008, given by FIBA. (as far as i know, fiba is not Spain. no homers here)

3.- Leader in Steals both in the spanish league and in Euroleague (2007)

Besides that, he is the starter of the european and world champion team, keep that in mind. Also the starter of the best european team right now , Barcelona, who are leaders in both Spain and Euroleague (undefeated in Europe). Also this team paid a record-breaking sum to get this guy last summer.

Now you are telling us that this guy is just a media creation....wow...if so, his marketing agent is the BEST in the world, I can tell you.

Now, some more things the Americans need to know to understand the stats in Europe. players barely score in Europe, unlike in USA. scoring 20 pts is considered a hit already, whereas its quite normal in the NBA, every night. when a player reaches 30 points is almost news. the reason is that the games are 40 minutes , and far more defensive than the one in the NBA. Also, the teamplay is far more developed. ballhogs are badly considered and that a player is shooting 30 times a game is something you dont see in Europe. And I am talking about real scorers, like it would be Bryant or Lebron.

Therefore, and Rubio not being a scorer himself, you cannot expect he amounts more than 7-8 points as average. In fact thats a good deal for a PG over in Europe. the same applies to assists, which are measured in a different way than in US. Some retards and trolls only have a look at stats and then they come to stupid statements like comparing some guy who is still in the HS like John Wall to Ricky Rubio who is already STANDING OUT amongst pros.

Belive me ,the day Rubio lands in the NBA he will make a HUGE impact. and it will be from the very beggining, cos hes already done up to play in the elite. In fact, his play is so freaking fast and amazing that the defensive european style doesnt fit him at all. Unlike many people, i very clearly see than his play is purely nba-ish, as many of his passes are not even guessed by his teammates.

So, if you want to really judge him, stop speaking nonsense or watching youtube and just watch the games of his team. when hes on the court, it looks like the team has an extra gear and literally vaporizes the opponent which cannot stop the hurricane.

You guys who are now praising Jennings so much, just bear in mind that Jennings had ZERO impact in Europe, due to all the reasons explained above whereas Rubio is considered a STAR (in capitals) not only in Spain but Europe. Just translate that into the NBA... playing for a team which runs a lot on the offense...

by the way, im not a boyfan and for sure im older than you and have watched A LOT of basketball...and this guy is really special, otherwise your troll ass would not hate so much :D

[sodap]

Are you actually comparing those stats to Rubio's? I mean seriously GET REAL. Rubio's stats are AWFUL.

And please show me where or when anyone claimed that Lorbek or Navarro were the best players in Europe or even the best European players that ever lived. Because that is what ALL the Spanish homers and Rubio fans claim. That Rubio is the greatest European player that ever lived.

It's unreal how people still can't figure out that Rubio is 95% media hype.

i doubt any spaniard said that given the existence of a man named pau gasol

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Oh my godness..... this is the type of thread I have to break in, urgently. I can see more trolls than in any LOTR movie. really disgusting.

Obviously, Lakas is a HATER, in capitals. and the other ones who are putting down Rubio ...well, obviously they are highlights watchers. just for the sake of clarification of everybody I will spare some of my "wisdom" or knowledge with some points:

1.- Real Madrid is the club with more European Cups (what is now known as Euroligue) they have got NINE, which amounts a bit more than all your stats over the last 15 years. only a small detail. now, real facts over Rubio:

2 .- AWARD TO THE BEST YOUNG PLAYER IN EUROPE, IN 2007 AND 2008, given by FIBA. (as far as i know, fiba is not Spain. no homers here)

3.- Leader in Steals both in the spanish league and in Euroleague (2007)

Besides that, he is the starter of the european and world champion team, keep that in mind. Also the starter of the best european team right now , Barcelona, who are leaders in both Spain and Euroleague (undefeated in Europe). Also this team paid a record-breaking sum to get this guy last summer.

Now you are telling us that this guy is just a media creation....wow...if so, his marketing agent is the BEST in the world, I can tell you.

Now, some more things the Americans need to know to understand the stats in Europe. players barely score in Europe, unlike in USA. scoring 20 pts is considered a hit already, whereas its quite normal in the NBA, every night. when a player reaches 30 points is almost news. the reason is that the games are 40 minutes , and far more defensive than the one in the NBA. Also, the teamplay is far more developed. ballhogs are badly considered and that a player is shooting 30 times a game is something you dont see in Europe. And I am talking about real scorers, like it would be Bryant or Lebron.

Therefore, and Rubio not being a scorer himself, you cannot expect he amounts more than 7-8 points as average. In fact thats a good deal for a PG over in Europe. the same applies to assists, which are measured in a different way than in US. Some retards and trolls only have a look at stats and then they come to stupid statements like comparing some guy who is still in the HS like John Wall to Ricky Rubio who is already STANDING OUT amongst pros.

Belive me ,the day Rubio lands in the NBA he will make a HUGE impact. and it will be from the very beggining, cos hes already done up to play in the elite. In fact, his play is so freaking fast and amazing that the defensive european style doesnt fit him at all. Unlike many people, i very clearly see than his play is purely nba-ish, as many of his passes are not even guessed by his teammates.

So, if you want to really judge him, stop speaking nonsense or watching youtube and just watch the games of his team. when hes on the court, it looks like the team has an extra gear and literally vaporizes the opponent which cannot stop the hurricane.

You guys who are now praising Jennings so much, just bear in mind that Jennings had ZERO impact in Europe, due to all the reasons explained above whereas Rubio is considered a STAR (in capitals) not only in Spain but Europe. Just translate that into the NBA... playing for a team which runs a lot on the offense...

by the way, im not a boyfan and for sure im older than you and have watched A LOT of basketball...and this guy is really special, otherwise your troll ass would not hate so much :D

I am 100% positive that you have never in your life watched a Euroleague game.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

i doubt any spaniard said that given the existence of a man named pau gasol

More than one Spaniard in this thread made claims he was the best European player.

[Hyman]

More than one Spaniard in this thread made claims he was the best European player.

Who said that?

Please put the quote

[SpanishACB]

I am 100% positive that you have never in your life watched a Euroleague game.

I don't know if he has or hasn't, but his arguments totally fit with the European game, thus if he hasn't watched any game (which I'm sure he has) it doesn't really hold any relevance because he's still right.

This is coming from an European with a NBA international pass.

It's funny if you think about it, I will not argue that Ricky Rubio has perhaps been overrated for long periods of his career, but there's so many people nowadays that think it's cool to go againg the media flow - thinking they're exotic and original by saying Ricky Rubio sucks that the PG has gone from overrated to underrated. It doesn't make you cool to go against something mainstream without facts, going against the majority just for the sake of it doesn't make you an intelligent guru, it makes you a pointless troll with no credibility. We see this everyday, people hate Kobe because so many people love Kobe, they're looking for something to make them different from the crowds, insecure little men they are and I pity them all.

[TROLL_HUNTER]

Originally Posted by Lakas Fan Yo
I am 100% positive that you have never in your life watched a Euroleague game.



HAHAAAAHAHAAAA what can I say ??? Yesterday I watched 2 of them, by the way. I watched Real Madrid destroying the current champion of the Euroleague , Panathinaikos, at their stadium. They also beat them in Madrid. on the other game, Unicaja defeated Efels pilsen in Turkey. mmmmmm...all those are away victories. it sounds like the spanish league is not as bad as you claim , does it not?

I have watched HUNDREDS of games for more than 20 years already, you smartass. In fact I myself watched the GREAT Arvydas Sabonis, which was something you may not a have a clue about. Therefore, you are not telling me what the european panorama looks like cos I live in Europe and have been following basketball since I was a child. In fact, I hate when media label somebody "the new Jordan" , " the new Bird" , "the new..." I find it ridiculous.

However, and despite you dont believe it , the spanish media has never hyped Rubio. They took it as a "maybe" good/great player but never raised any comparison as its been said over here. Its fans who get excited about it, which is perfectly understandable. When you watch a teenager doing the things this guy has done amongst grown men, you get the feeling that theres something great in the making. then , it may pan out or not. many circumstances can influence. What is out of question is that so far he has achieved all the merits that a young star can get and his development is following the path some people had predicted long ago. by some people I mean PRO BALL PLAYERS, not some teenage fans.

And yes, I agree with the previous post. there are so dumb people hating on Kobe, Jordan (MY GOD, JORDAN!) and whoever stands out as something special. It is laughable the people putting down somebody like Kobe or even Lebron, nowadays, when they are the clear 2 superstars in the game. I dont think Rubio will ever get to a similar level (cos hes not a natural scorer, one of the reasons) but he has that "something special" that sets him apart from everybody else. Yeah, its very "cool" and even "rationalistic" to go counterstream and say hes not that good and so on. However, you crossed the line and placed yourself on the other end, saying hes mediocre, which is completely absurd and ridiculous. This guy can become a superstar or a huge letdown, anythings possible. What you cannot say by any mean is that he is or will be mediocre. Sorry to say, but that labels you a Hater

[Huey Freeman]

HAHAAAAHAHAAAA what can I say ??? Yesterday I watched 2 of them, by the way. I watched Real Madrid destroying the current champion of the Euroleague , Panathinaikos, at their stadium. They also beat them in Madrid. on the other game, Unicaja defeated Efels pilsen in Turkey. mmmmmm...all those are away victories. it sounds like the spanish league is not as bad as you claim , does it not?

It's only the first phase in Euroleague.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

I don't know if he has or hasn't, but his arguments totally fit with the European game, thus if he hasn't watched any game (which I'm sure he has) it doesn't really hold any relevance because he's still right.

This is coming from an European with a NBA international pass.

It's funny if you think about it, I will not argue that Ricky Rubio has perhaps been overrated for long periods of his career, but there's so many people nowadays that think it's cool to go againg the media flow - thinking they're exotic and original by saying Ricky Rubio sucks that the PG has gone from overrated to underrated. It doesn't make you cool to go against something mainstream without facts, going against the majority just for the sake of it doesn't make you an intelligent guru, it makes you a pointless troll with no credibility. We see this everyday, people hate Kobe because so many people love Kobe, they're looking for something to make them different from the crowds, insecure little men they are and I pity them all.

I never said "Ricky Rubio sucks" - I said only what is true, that he is an average Euroleague player at this point and has never at any point of his career been more than that and that thus he is the most overrated player of all time and largely just a media hype creation. For simply stating facts, his lovers come flying out of the woodwork. And I never denied him being considered good for his age, but that's not the issue. The issue is that he is universally proclaimed to be the best player in the Euroleague and the best European talent of all time. Which is absolutely ridiculous.

It would be EXACTLY the same if Kirk Hinrich was hailed by the vast majority of sports media and sports fans as the best player in the NBA and the most talented player to ever live.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Originally Posted by Lakas Fan Yo
I am 100% positive that you have never in your life watched a Euroleague game.



HAHAAAAHAHAAAA what can I say ??? Yesterday I watched 2 of them, by the way. I watched Real Madrid destroying the current champion of the Euroleague , Panathinaikos, at their stadium. They also beat them in Madrid. on the other game, Unicaja defeated Efels pilsen in Turkey. mmmmmm...all those are away victories. it sounds like the spanish league is not as bad as you claim , does it not?

I have watched HUNDREDS of games for more than 20 years already, you smartass. In fact I myself watched the GREAT Arvydas Sabonis, which was something you may not a have a clue about. Therefore, you are not telling me what the european panorama looks like cos I live in Europe and have been following basketball since I was a child. In fact, I hate when media label somebody "the new Jordan" , " the new Bird" , "the new..." I find it ridiculous.

However, and despite you dont believe it , the spanish media has never hyped Rubio. They took it as a "maybe" good/great player but never raised any comparison as its been said over here. Its fans who get excited about it, which is perfectly understandable. When you watch a teenager doing the things this guy has done amongst grown men, you get the feeling that theres something great in the making. then , it may pan out or not. many circumstances can influence. What is out of question is that so far he has achieved all the merits that a young star can get and his development is following the path some people had predicted long ago. by some people I mean PRO BALL PLAYERS, not some teenage fans.

And yes, I agree with the previous post. there are so dumb people hating on Kobe, Jordan (MY GOD, JORDAN!) and whoever stands out as something special. It is laughable the people putting down somebody like Kobe or even Lebron, nowadays, when they are the clear 2 superstars in the game. I dont think Rubio will ever get to a similar level (cos hes not a natural scorer, one of the reasons) but he has that "something special" that sets him apart from everybody else. Yeah, its very "cool" and even "rationalistic" to go counterstream and say hes not that good and so on. However, you crossed the line and placed yourself on the other end, saying hes mediocre, which is completely absurd and ridiculous. This guy can become a superstar or a huge letdown, anythings possible. What you cannot say by any mean is that he is or will be mediocre. Sorry to say, but that labels you a Hater


And yet you have no explanation for why this "special player" is completely average EVERY single year. This year was supposed to be his break out season and honestly I thought he played better the last 2 years than he is this year. How can he be "special" when he is consistently just an average player. As of yet not one of Rubio's defenders can explain this and they don't even attempt to explain it. They just keep saying "he's special".

[Grinder]

Ricky against top teams this past season...

18 points (3-4 3 pt), 7 assists, and a steal against Real Madrid
14 points (on 4 shot attempts), 10 assists, 4 steals and 3 rebounds against Siena
9 points, 9 assists, and 2 steals against Fenerbahce
10 assists and a 6 steals agaisnt Tau

The impact he has on the game is far greater than his stats show. Don't believe any of the garbage this moron is spewing out. He went from saying that Ricky was a backup on a below average European team to an average backup on Euro team. In reality, he's the starting point guard on a top 3 team in Europe and is the second best player on that team.

[kNIOKAS]

it's not like he is creation of some sort, it's more of some of you being unable to take media adequately.

[kaktus14]

Ricky against top teams this past season...

18 points (3-4 3 pt), 7 assists, and a steal against Real Madrid
14 points (on 4 shot attempts), 10 assists, 4 steals and 3 rebounds against Siena
9 points, 9 assists, and 2 steals against Fenerbahce
10 assists and a 6 steals agaisnt Tau

The impact he has on the game is far greater than his stats show. Don't believe any of the garbage this moron is spewing out. He went from saying that Ricky was a backup on a below average European team to an average backup on Euro team. In reality, he's the starting point guard on a top 3 team in Europe and is the second best player on that team.
The best pointguard now in Europe by far,his defense is unbelivable,no player has scored against him easily,and Barca is by far best team at the moment in Europe,Pao could reach this level by the end of the season,rest are below,they played around with Siena and Real,and Rubio was the best player on court in those games

[Rekindled]

Rubio = better version of Jennings

[AlThornton]

Rubio = better version of Jennings

Rubio = Jason Kidd

[kaktus14]

Rubio = Jason Kidd
Yeah,thats ok to say,Rubio will never be type of a player who will lead teams scoring,and put's 20 a night,but his role to team in terms of passing,defence,and pusing tempo will be amazing

[Lakas Fan Yo]

The best pointguard now in Europe by far,his defense is unbelivable,no player has scored against him easily,and Barca is by far best team at the moment in Europe,Pao could reach this level by the end of the season,rest are below,they played around with Siena and Real,and Rubio was the best player on court in those games

The best point guard in Europe? :lol :oldlol: :roll: Give me a break.

Not even close.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Ricky against top teams this past season...

18 points (3-4 3 pt), 7 assists, and a steal against Real Madrid
14 points (on 4 shot attempts), 10 assists, 4 steals and 3 rebounds against Siena
9 points, 9 assists, and 2 steals against Fenerbahce
10 assists and a 6 steals agaisnt Tau

The impact he has on the game is far greater than his stats show. Don't believe any of the garbage this moron is spewing out. He went from saying that Ricky was a backup on a below average European team to an average backup on Euro team. In reality, he's the starting point guard on a top 3 team in Europe and is the second best player on that team.

You just don't get it. The regular season is about HALF the level of the playoffs and up. Rubio has not proven anything in the Euroleague and only nut huggers like you argue otherwise.

[GOBB]

:oldlol: I love butt hurt euro posters.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Rubio = Jason Kidd

Rubio = Rondo

That is who is he is like, not Kidd.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Rubio = better version of Jennings

No similarity at all to Jennings. You clearly have never even seen Rubio play.

[Grinder]

You just don't get it. The regular season is about HALF the level of the playoffs and up. Rubio has not proven anything in the Euroleague and only nut huggers like you argue otherwise.

Oh man, I don't think you've ever seen a Euroleague or ACB game in your life. :oldlol:

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Oh man, I don't think you've ever seen a Euroleague or ACB game in your life. :oldlol:

I know for sure you have not. And I know for sure that you are a pure fan boy and all you do is flood these forums with garbage posts. You continually get proven wrong and owned over and over. You are always proven wrong in time and yet you just act like nothing happened. You keep getting proven wrong in all your assertions and yet you keep pretending to be the one that is right, while mocking others who proved you wrong.