Ben Wallace reponse to Artests recent quotes

[hoopaddict08]

Ben Wallace was asked about comments made by Ron Artest this week referencing his drinking and his desire to still fight him.
"He said he wants to fight me?" Wallace asked reporters before the Pistons-Bulls game.
"Yeah," a reporter responded.
"Well, [you] need to test him and see if he's still drinking," Wallace said.


:oldlol:

I wish I could see the two fight it out. Even though Ben is a little older than when the brawl took place, I still think he could take him.

[Lyin]

I want to see someone fight Mbenga. No one in the league can handle him.

[DukeDelonte13]

:oldlol: :roll:

that was the best response...

Gotta love Big Ben

[CLE[216]]

Didn't Ron say he wanted to fight Ben on the court? December 20th, Malice at the Palace Part II!

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:lol big ben would destroy ron ron

[hoopaddict08]

']Didn't Ron say he wanted to fight Ben on the court? December 20th, Malice at the Palace Part II!

I'll be at that game. Should I throw some beer at Artest to get things going?

[CLE[216]]

I'll be at that game. Should I throw some beer at Artest to get things going?

Do it. Chances are good that Ron will attack the wrong person anyway.

[HylianNightmare]

I'll be at that game. Should I throw some beer at Artest to get things going?

yeah the **** you should, ben would wreck his day

[chazzy]

LMAO, I still don't understand why Ron randomly made that Wallace statement, so out of the blue and random. Was he asked about how he felt about him? Or did he just say it? They already played the Piston's and they didn't interact one bit :oldlol:

[sipitri]

Ben Wallace would kill artest and eat his heart I think.

[OneMoreSucka]

Ben Wallace would kill artest and eat his heart I think.
Not to mention his children.

[DukeDelonte13]

Ben Wallace would kill artest and eat his heart I think.

Ben Wallace used to frequent this restaurant my godfather worked at while he was in cleveland. He said that Ben was a super nice and polite guy. I still think he would whoop the sh*t out of artest though.

[kurple]

I want to see someone fight Mbenga. No one in the league can handle him.

people overrate his black belt

[Story Up]

So because Ben Wallace is ripped, that means he'll destroy Ron?
I'd put my money on Artest any day of the week, this guy is nuts; I remember him tackling Shaquille when he was trying to lay out Brad Miller like six years ago. This guy is nuts, ripped and extremely tough; he's a bull dog. People look at Wallace's muscles and expect toughness and fighting skills; doesn't necessarily works that way. Look at UFC, look at Anderson Silva; looks like a normal dude but lays people out; people who look way stronger then him.

Wallace might look stronger but I'm very uncertain if he is stronger/tougher then the Doberman. There is a keen difference between perception and reality.

[HylianNightmare]

I want to see someone fight Mbenga. No one in the league can handle him.

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[ForceOfNature]

Hilarious statement by Ben. And yeah I do think Big Ben would definitely beat Artest.


I'll be at that game. Should I throw some beer at Artest to get things going?
Yes... yes you should.



So because Ben Wallace is ripped, that means he'll destroy Ron?
I'd put my money on Artest any day of the week, this guy is nuts; I remember him tackling Shaquille when he was trying to lay out Brad Miller like six years ago. This guy is nuts, ripped and extremely tough; he's a bull dog. People look at Wallace's muscles and expect toughness and fighting skills; doesn't necessarily works that way. Look at UFC, look at Anderson Silva; looks like a normal dude but lays people out; people who look way stronger then him.

Wallace might look stronger but I'm very uncertain if he is stronger/tougher then the Doberman. There is a keen difference between perception and reality.
It's not just perception - Remember when Big Ben met Shaq at the summit and outmuscled him to stuff his dunk attempt (to win photo of the year in 2006)?

[Story Up]

I'm not saying Wallace isn't strong; but once again I've seen a 165 pound guy knock the crap out of a steroid junky who weighted at a decent 230.

[Lyin]

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April is FAR away.

[hoopaddict08]

So because Ben Wallace is ripped, that means he'll destroy Ron?
I'd put my money on Artest any day of the week, this guy is nuts; I remember him tackling Shaquille when he was trying to lay out Brad Miller like six years ago. This guy is nuts, ripped and extremely tough; he's a bull dog. People look at Wallace's muscles and expect toughness and fighting skills; doesn't necessarily works that way. Look at UFC, look at Anderson Silva; looks like a normal dude but lays people out; people who look way stronger then him.

Wallace might look stronger but I'm very uncertain if he is stronger/tougher then the Doberman. There is a keen difference between perception and reality..

Oh and he has knocked Shaq down as well in-case you forgot, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmJI2ikhPoY.

I only remember Artest taunting Wallace after he got shoved by Big-Ben. And of course, Ron going into the stands to fight some drunk guy.

[Lakeshow23]

Don't see how Wallace would "destroy" Artest. He's not much taller and weighs less. Plus Artest is a trained boxer.

And Wallace is older...

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

artest is a trained boxer (2 years in) like the poster said above me. imo he would destroy ben wallace. plus artest is crazier which helps his cause that much more.

[KB2009Champ]

I am a laker fan but I agree with Ron. Ron needs to stfu.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

I am a laker fan but I agree with Ron. Ron needs to stfu.

or reporters need to stop asking him questions about the situation.

[hoopaddict08]

Don't see how Wallace would "destroy" Artest. He's not much taller and weighs less. Plus Artest is a trained boxer.

And Wallace is older...

He is 35, in basketball that might be old, but I'm sure the guy can hold his own in a fight.

I'd like to see Artest actually box before people start acting like he is Mike Tyson. Although he might try and bite Ben's ear off.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

He is 35, in basketball that might be old, but I'm sure the guy can hold his own in a fight.

I'd like to see Artest actually box before people start acting like he is Mike Tyson. Although he might try and bite Ben's ear off.

when did people start comparing artest to mike tyson or is that your lame assss joke for the day?

[KB2009Champ]

or reporters need to stop asking him questions about the situation.

Uh no, thats their job, to ask questions. Its up to Ron to be mature enough to have a filter and stfu. He talks way too much. Why say that about Wallace? An who cares (if its actually true that is) that he used to drink alchohol during half time? None of this crap makes the Laker's look good. Its about the team, not one nutbag so yeah I'll say it again, he needs to stfu. I really hope the Lakers have put some sort of restriction on him.

[hoopaddict08]

or reporters need to stop asking him questions about the situation.

He should have never brought it up. It almost sounds fake. If he was buying liquor at halftime, wouldn't the liquor store owner have said something to the media by now? Not to mention its kind of hard to hide something like this from other players/coaches. The locker-room isn't that big.

I think Artest just likes the attention.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Uh no, thats their job, to ask questions. Its up to Ron to be mature enough to have a filter and stfu. He talks way too much. Why say that about Wallace? An who cares (if its actually true that is) that he used to drink alchohol during half time? None of this crap makes the Laker's look good. Its about the team, not one nutbag so yeah I'll say it again, he needs to stfu. I really hope the Lakers have put some sort of restriction on him.

did you hear the interview or just read about it?

[hoopaddict08]

when did people start comparing artest to mike tyson or is that your lame assss joke for the day?

I guess that would be my "lame assss joke for the day". :cry:

[Real Men Wear Green]

It's funny, if KG had backed down after being directly challenged by Ben Wallace and then ran into the stands to smack some "little white guy" (who wasn't even to blame for the cup-throwing) everyone would be saying what a punk bully he is. And yet somehow Artest does it but is still unquestioned as a tough guy. I call bull****.


So because Ben Wallace is ripped, that means he'll destroy Ron?
I'd put my money on Artest any day of the week, this guy is nuts; I remember him tackling Shaquille when he was trying to lay out Brad Miller like six years ago. This guy is nuts, ripped and extremely tough; he's a bull dog. People look at Wallace's muscles and expect toughness and fighting skills; doesn't necessarily works that way. Look at UFC, look at Anderson Silva; looks like a normal dude but lays people out; people who look way stronger then him.

Wallace might look stronger but I'm very uncertain if he is stronger/tougher then the Doberman. There is a keen difference between perception and reality.
Artest's boxer training may give him an advantage in a fight. Being a crazy idiot? Not so much. A focused, intelligent fighter that is calmly thinking about how he's going to destroy you is far more dangerous than an opponent that's just lashing out however he can. The former is thinking about ways to break your body down, attacking joints, cutting off breathing, how to knock you out, etc. The latter is just striking however he can, and while he may cause you pain he won't think nearly as much about debilitating you. If Artest fights like an intelligent boxer (which I doubt; brawling is not boxing, they'd undoubtedly end up locking up and then whoever wrestled the other one down would have the advantage) then he's got a good shot, although keeping Wallace from tying him up would be hard with no rules. There's a reason why wrestlers generally do better in MMA than strikers. But seeing as, as far as we know, Wallace has no fight training that could be a slight edge for Artest, although again, if he just goes nuts and forgets his training then it won't matter.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

He should have never brought it up. It almost sounds fake. If he was buying liquor at halftime, wouldn't the liquor store owner have said something to the media by now? Not to mention its kind of hard to hide something like this from other players/coaches. The locker-room isn't that big.

I think Artest just likes the attention.

i think he's just a clown and a jokester. i started taking everything ron says as a joke awhile ago. whenever he says something, i say eh this clown isn't serious. i doubt the lakers give 2 shts what artest says just as long as he shows up to their games sober and ready to go. i mean they have an owner who is how old and runs around with multiple models, snorting cocaine, the product of the devil, yet they care about what ron artest was doing during his early nba career? nahhh..

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

It's funny, if KG had backed down after being directly challenged by Ben Wallace and then ran into the stands to smack some "little white guy" (who wasn't even to blame for the cup-throwing) everyone would be saying what a punk bully he is. And yet somehow Artest does it but is still unquestioned as a tough guy. I call bull****.


Artest's boxer training may give him an advantage in a fight. Being a crazy idiot? Not so much. A focused, intelligent fighter that is calmly thinking about how he's going to destroy you is far more dangerous than an opponent that's just lashing out however he can. The former is thinking about ways to break your body down, attacking joints, cutting off breathing, how to knock you out, etc. The latter is just striking however he can, and while he may cause you pain he won't think nearly as much about debilitating you. If Artest fights like an intelligent boxer (which I doubt; brawling is not boxing, they'd undoubtedly end up locking up and then whoever wrestled the other one down would have the advantage) then he's got a good shot, although keeping Wallace from tying him up would be hard with no rules. There's a reason why wrestlers generally do better in MMA than strikers. But seeing as, as far as we know, Wallace has no fight training that could be a slight edge for Artest, although again, if he just goes nuts and forgets his training then it won't matter.

yeah against another trained boxer, your rite, but from what i know wallace isn't a trained boxer. your looking way into things imo.

[0000000]

I'd put my money on Artest. Big Ben is bigger and stronger although not overwhelmingly but Artest is a trained boxer. Artest would win.

[Real Men Wear Green]

yeah against another trained boxer, your rite, but from what i know wallace isn't a trained boxer.
I'm talking about the "crazy" factor that some of the posters think gives Artest an advantage. If Artest really fights like a trained boxer (which isn't guaranteed when he's in the heat of battle, it's not like he's been in even one real match) then he's not fighting crazy. If Wallace is fighting with a cooler head (not a guarantee either, we don't know how he fights at all) then I give him the advantage because even an untrained fighter can think about things like leverage and headlocks.

your looking way into things imo.
I've said this before, way too many times: I don't write posts for lazy readers.

[KB2009Champ]

did you hear the interview or just read about it?


Its an article dude. DOes listening to it change anything. Those are his quotes. smdh

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Its an article dude. DOes listening to it change anything. Those are his quotes. smdh

what the fck is smdh?
sorry im a grown asss man and not a teenage girl

[OneMoreSucka]

what the fck is smdh?
sorry im a grown asss man and not a teenage girl
I assume it's a play on "SMH" meaning "shaking my head" with the D representing "damn". It's the latest crazy in internet acronyms, surely to fade away within months time.

[ConanRulesNBC]

I'd love to see Wallace KO Artest.

[Rafael Delaget]

He is 35, in basketball that might be old, but I'm sure the guy can hold his own in a fight.

I'd like to see Artest actually box before people start acting like he is Mike Tyson. Although he might try and bite Ben's ear off.

Artest's power is discombobulatingly devastating.

[HylianNightmare]

April is FAR away.
you lost me

[Kevin_Garnett_5]

It's funny, if KG had backed down after being directly challenged by Ben Wallace and then ran into the stands to smack some "little white guy" (who wasn't even to blame for the cup-throwing) everyone would be saying what a punk bully he is. And yet somehow Artest does it but is still unquestioned as a tough guy. I call bull****.
This. I remember when Garnett and Wallace were in each others face in Game 7 vs Cleveland, neither of them backed down.

[Poodle]

I think Artest could beat Wallace. Artest throws punches like a boxer. All we know about Ben is he looks big and mean.

[hoopaddict08]

This. I remember when Garnett and Wallace were in each others face in Game 7 vs Cleveland, neither of them backed down.


No but he sure did backpedal when Mcdyess came at him when he was on the Timberwolves.

[Kevin_Garnett_5]

No but he sure did backpedal when Mcdyess came at him when he was on the Timberwolves. I have no idea what that has to do with my post but ok....i guess?

[itsGameTime]

It's funny, if KG had backed down after being directly challenged by Ben Wallace and then ran into the stands to smack some "little white guy" (who wasn't even to blame for the cup-throwing) everyone would be saying what a punk bully he is. And yet somehow Artest does it but is still unquestioned as a tough guy. I call bull****.


What the hell does this thread have to do with Kevin Garnett? LMAO at this guy :oldlol:

Anyways, the difference between Garnett and Artest is, Artest gets a cup of beer thrown at him which causes him to fight the guy that he thinks threw it at him, while Garnett doesn't need any cause, he just picks on players or takes cheap shots just for fun.

[NuggetsFan]

I'm talking about the "crazy" factor that some of the posters think gives Artest an advantage. If Artest really fights like a trained boxer (which isn't guaranteed when he's in the heat of battle, it's not like he's been in even one real match) then he's not fighting crazy. If Wallace is fighting with a cooler head (not a guarantee either, we don't know how he fights at all) then I give him the advantage because even an untrained fighter can think about things like leverage and headlocks.

I've said this before, way too many times: I don't write posts for lazy readers.

If you talking about MMA or trained boxers than your 100% correct and the spaz is going to get knocked out pretty quickly. But your talking about two basketball players that are going at it. It's a fight .. not a fight in a ring or cage.

You don't know how Ben Wallace would react if Artest comes flying at him throwing fists. Gotta remember these guys are 200+ and in shape so when Artest is throwing wild bombs and lands a few Wallace isn't just going to shake it off like nothing.

[hoopaddict08]

I have no idea what that has to do with my post but ok....i guess?

It doesn't, I guess I was just hoping for more of a reaction since your a Garnett fan. Only joking around.

[Grey Dawn]

LMAO, I still don't understand why Ron randomly made that Wallace statement, so out of the blue and random. Was he asked about how he felt about him? Or did he just say it? They already played the Piston's and they didn't interact one bit :oldlol:

It's Artest, how does out of the blue and random surprise you with him? Last year I remember how he just started randomly talking about how where he's from and learned to ball guys would break the legs off tables and stab each other on the court...

[mlh1981]

Earl Boykins could take them both.

Short people are scary, and they all have that napoleon complex. Plus, I heard that for a man his size, he can bench an ungodly amount of weight.

[hoopaddict08]

If you talking about MMA or trained boxers than your 100% correct and the spaz is going to get knocked out pretty quickly. But your talking about two basketball players that are going at it. It's a fight .. not a fight in a ring or cage.

You don't know how Ben Wallace would react if Artest comes flying at him throwing fists. Gotta remember these guys are 200+ and in shape so when Artest is throwing wild bombs and lands a few Wallace isn't just going to shake it off like nothing.

True. It's not like these guys are going into a game thinking they're going to fight each other. They're going in, to play a game of basketball. Artest might be a "trained fighter", but he shouldn't be going into a game with the mindset of fighting someone. If something happens, it will be a quick reaction. Their not going to be dancing around each other trying to land a punch. Their going to get as many punches and shoves in as they can before they get seperated by the players/refs.

I haven't seen either fight, so I honestly wouldn't know who would win. But I tend to favor Ben, but that is just my prediction.

[NuggetsFan]

True. It's not like these guys are going into a game thinking they're going to fight each other. They're going in, to play a game of basketball. Artest might be a "trained fighter", but he shouldn't be going into a game with the mindset of fighting someone. If something happens, it will be a quick reaction. Their not going to be dancing around each other trying to land a punch. Their going to get as many punches and shoves in as they can before they get seperated by the players/refs.

I haven't seen either fight, so I honestly wouldn't know who would win. But I tend to favor Ben, but that is just my prediction.

I think predictions are stupid anyways. You always see the guys trying to call the fights and trying to predict what happens but it never tuns out like that in a regular fight because there not trained so there's always a chance of someone connecting with the persons jaw and it's over.

Artest being a boxer would be an advantage but you don't know how good of a boxer he actually is.

[Real Men Wear Green]

What the hell does this thread have to do with Kevin Garnett? LMAO at this guy :oldlol:
I guess I'm the first poster to bring something up in a topic that isn't 100% related to the OP? There's nothing funny here.

Anyways, the difference between Garnett and Artest is, Artest gets a cup of beer thrown at him which causes him to fight the guy that he thinks threw it at him, while Garnett doesn't need any cause, he just picks on players or takes cheap shots just for fun.
Nor is it funny when you completely ignore the fact that Artest completely backed down from Wallace, but goes running like a madman into the stands over a beer. I can understand him being pissed off, and he may well have no fear of Wallace and was just trying to stay cool, but he sure went from peacemaker to tough guy real quick and in a pretty funny way. You have a nice little double-standard there, and it really doesn't fly. Think Artest doesn't take cheap shots? Why do you think Wallace wanted to fight him to begin with? Look at the footage. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J82P2Q2y_F0) That's not a cheap shot? Please.


If you talking about MMA or trained boxers than your 100% correct and the spaz is going to get knocked out pretty quickly. But your talking about two basketball players that are going at it. It's a fight .. not a fight in a ring or cage.
And the thing about NBA fights is that they look nothing like boxing matches. Normally, the two "combatants" (term used very losely here) tangle up for 2 seconds before everyone swarms in either to seperate them or get in a cheap lick of their own. If they were fighting, just the two of them, in a ring? Artest, no question. But NBA fights are far more chaotic and rarely have a definitive winner.

You don't know how Ben Wallace would react if Artest comes flying at him throwing fists. Gotta remember these guys are 200+ and in shape so when Artest is throwing wild bombs and lands a few Wallace isn't just going to shake it off like nothing.
If Wallace sees him coming? He probably initially dodges, like anyone would. From there, whether Wallace locks him up or trades blows is something we can only speculate over.

[Jasper]

The winner gets Shaq :bowdown:

[copper]

I'd put my money on Artest. Big Ben is bigger and stronger although not overwhelmingly but Artest is a trained boxer. Artest would win.
I keep seeing this trained boxer tag being thrown around. Who trained him? how many fights has he been in? against who? My wife has been trained in boxing and hand to hand combat, that doesnt mean she could beat an untrained person up. Alot of chumps sign up at a local gym and ***** slap a heavy bag for a few hours a week, that doesnt mean they can actually fight. The " real" trained fighter isnt the one that throws the hardest punch....hes the one that doesnt get hit with it.
I dont know who would win, and Im 99.9% certain we never will find out, I would hope Wallace did but thats because Im biased. and the only thing crazy gets in a fight? is knocked out.

[itsGameTime]

Think Artest doesn't take cheap shots? Why do you think Wallace wanted to fight him to begin with? Look at the footage. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J82P2Q2y_F0) That's not a cheap shot? Please.


That is called a hard foul my friend. What Garnett does is off the whistle, the extracurricular, the taunting and cheap shots when there are scuffles (see slapping Duncan in the back of the head).

[b4ball]

']Do it. Chances are good that Ron will attack the wrong person anyway.

That's funnit sh!t.

[Real Men Wear Green]

That is called a hard foul my friend. What Garnett does is off the whistle, the extracurricular, the taunting and cheap shots when there are scuffles (see slapping Duncan in the back of the head).
What nonsense. He hits Wallace, knocking Wallace out of the sky, where Wallace was defenseless. Wallace gets up, pissed, and challenges him. Artest backs down. The idea that Artests' act was somehow more noble than KG hitting Duncan is laughable and idiotic.

[itsGameTime]

What nonsense. He hits Wallace, knocking Wallace out of the sky, where Wallace was defenseless. Wallace gets up, pissed, and challenges him. Artest backs down. The idea that Artests' act was somehow more noble than KG hitting Duncan is laughable and idiotic.

Make a thread on this and I guarantee you everyone will say KG's slap to the back of the head of Duncan was a b1tch move. I will say it again, Artest made a hard foul, Wallace took it personal and shoved his face in. It's not like Artest walked up to Wallace from behind and smacked him on the head for no apparent reason. The guy is playing basketball. You're told by coaches not to allow easy layups. Like I said, make a thread on this topic and we'll see which reasoning is more idiotic.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I don't need a new thread to spot a glaring inconsistency. You can make one if you want, but knocking a defenseless player out of the sky isn't really "basketball." And how exactly is Artest backing down when confronted any less "*****" than KG? Especially when he's so ready to go after some unfortunate in the stands that didn't even do anything? I guess you can call a flagrant foul "playing basketball" if you want, but your distinctions are getting increasingly meaningless.

[itsGameTime]

I don't need a new thread to spot a glaring inconsistency. You can make one if you want, but knocking a defenseless player out of the sky isn't really "basketball." And how exactly is Artest backing down when confronted any less "*****" than KG? Especially when he's so ready to go after some unfortunate in the stands that didn't even do anything? I guess you can call a flagrant foul "playing basketball" if you want, but your distinctions are getting increasingly meaningless.

:oldlol: @ knocking Wallace out of the sky. What was Wallace flying? Ask anyone, that's called a hard foul which IS part of basketball. Don't even question it, because KG, Perkins or anyone in the NBA does that to prevent the easy layup. Seems like you're the only one with the double standard here trying to defend a b1tch move by KG. Slapping someone on the back of the head after a dead ball is NOT a part of basketball. A hard foul to prevent an easy layup is. Ask anyone.

[Real Men Wear Green]

"Anyone" would also know that when a player has jumped in the air when you knock him out of the sky it's dangerous and generally not accepted. Why do you think Wallace was pissed off? In case you didn't know, he doesn't challenge every guy that fouls him to a fight. All this "part of basketball" talk is silly. Was throwing Ariza's shoes into the stands "part of basketball?" Was pulling Pierce's shorts down "part of basketball?" This argument gets dumber by the post.

[itsGameTime]

"Anyone" would also know that when a player has jumped in the air when you knock him out of the sky it's dangerous and generally not accepted. Why do you think Wallace was pissed off? In case you didn't know, he doesn't challenge every guy that fouls him to a fight. All this "part of basketball" talk is silly. Was throwing Ariza's shoes into the stands "part of basketball?" Was pulling Pierce's shorts down "part of basketball?" This argument gets dumber by the post.

Wait a minute, when did I ever say anything about throwing Ariza's shoes into the stands or pulling Pierce's shorts down? Wow, way to bring in some strawman arguments. We're talking about KG's b1tch move on Duncan and Artest's hard foul on Wallace. Why are you bringing up other unrelated incidents? Oh right, that's because you can't defend KG's b1tch move. Ben Wallace was frustrated by the Pistons getting owned by the Pacers, he overreacted over a hard foul. Let me reiterate this again since you don't seem to be able to understand: Players take hard fouls to prevent the easy layup. It's not rocket science :confusedshrug:.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Explain that Wallace. Explain why Wallace thought it was excessive. Explain how backing out of a fight witha man his size and strength was not a "***** move" when your willing to run after someone in the stands you outweigh by 80 pounds. When did I defend Garnett slapping TD? I didn't. I simply point out that your double-standard is idiotic at best. I mention the other crap Artest has pulled to further illustrate the fact that we have a double-standard going here. But it's ok, I've proven my point. Think what you will.

[itsGameTime]

Explain that Wallace. Explain why Wallace thought it was excessive. Explain how backing out of a fight witha man his size and strength was not a "***** move" when your willing to run after someone in the stands you outweigh by 80 pounds. When did I defend Garnett slapping TD? I didn't. I simply point out that your double-standard is idiotic at best. I mention the other crap Artest has pulled to further illustrate the fact that we have a double-standard going here. But it's ok, I've proven my point. Think what you will.

What double standard? Here are my 2 points.
1) Artest made a hard foul to prevent the easy layup
2) KG slapping Duncan on the back of the head during a dead ball was a b1tch move.
Would you care to refute either of the two?

Never once, did I say KG was a b1tch or that Artest wasn't. But you have to bring up other incidents when we're debating which of these two moves was a b1tch move.

It's okay for you to concede this debate. I'm sure the majority would agree with me on which of these two moves was a b1tch move. Let me remind you that we are talking specifically about these two incidents and nothing else. I could care less about defending KG or Artest's personal behavior in general, just in these two specific instances. Now unless you want to talk about these two instances, I'm done wasting my time responding to guys who ignore valid points and go off topic by creating arguments that I never made.

[Real Men Wear Green]

it's ok, I've proven my point. Think what you will.
:confusedshrug:

[itsGameTime]

Next time, try not to attack arguments that I never made. That way your arguments won't look so idiotic like RG's. Thanks for the W. :oldlol:

[lefthook00]

Explain that Wallace. Explain why Wallace thought it was excessive. Explain how backing out of a fight witha man his size and strength was not a "***** move" when your willing to run after someone in the stands you outweigh by 80 pounds. When did I defend Garnett slapping TD? I didn't. I simply point out that your double-standard is idiotic at best. I mention the other crap Artest has pulled to further illustrate the fact that we have a double-standard going here. But it's ok, I've proven my point. Think what you will.

Um Artest wasn't trying to fight at that point. He got shoved real hard by Ben was like WTF? He calmed down and laid on the table and was doing fine. Then the beer came...if Wallace would have pushed Artest after the beer there damn well would have been a fight between the two.

[Splitz77]

is their a video of wallace and KG?

[Real Men Wear Green]

Um Artest wasn't trying to fight at that point. He got shoved real hard by Ben was like WTF? He calmed down and laid on the table and was doing fine. Then the beer came...if Wallace would have pushed Artest after the beer there damn well would have been a fight between the two.
Laying on the table is "fine?" He was still trying to provoke, and then when he got beered his lousy attempt at trying to be in control of himself went out the window. And he was not like "WTF," he knew exactly why Wallace was pissed off, or else he's an idiot. Actually, he IS an idiot. Nevermind...

[Phong]

Explain that Wallace. Explain why Wallace thought it was excessive. Explain how backing out of a fight witha man his size and strength was not a "***** move" when your willing to run after someone in the stands you outweigh by 80 pounds. When did I defend Garnett slapping TD? I didn't. I simply point out that your double-standard is idiotic at best. I mention the other crap Artest has pulled to further illustrate the fact that we have a double-standard going here. But it's ok, I've proven my point. Think what you will.
Like It'sAGame said what Artest did was foul Wallace. I see nothing "cheap" in it and Wallace's foward momentum was not fast enough to really injure him. It's not like he was way up there flying in for a dunk and got his feet taken out from under him. It was just a slight push in the back on a layup attempt.

I don't even know how you can compare it to KG's *****-slap in the back of Duncan's head when the game was stopped. :rolleyes:

As for Artest not fighting, why would he? He committed a foul that you can see in every game when players shove each others in the back to prevent the other guy to get the rebound. Wallace's reaction was way over the top. Artest laid down on the scorer's table to wait for the whole situation to defuse, and then the beer incident occured.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Like It'sAGame said what Artest did was foul Wallace. I see nothing "cheap" in it and Wallace's foward momentum was not fast enough to really injure him. It's not like he was way up there flying in for a dunk and got his feet taken out from under him. It was just a slight push in the back on a layup attempt.

I don't even know how you can compare it to KG's *****-slap in the back of Duncan's head when the game was stopped. :rolleyes:

As for Artest not fighting, why would he? He committed a foul that you can see in every game when players shove each others in the back to prevent the other guy to get the rebound. Wallace's reaction was way over the top. Artest laid down on the scorer's to wait for the whole situation to defuse, and then the beer incident occured.
So now you and Artest are the physisicists figuring out what kind of hacking is or is not hard enough to cause injury? That's stupid. The fact of the matter is that all Wallace has to do is land wrong and he can have his season ended right there. While Artest is not the first guy to knock a defenseless opponent out of the sky, Wallace is also not the first guy to get up and be ready to brawl over it. And yet somehow, Artest backing down shows he has a cool head (and seconds later he's up in the stands beating the **** out of an innocent bystander) while KG backs down because he's a "punk." Whatever.

[Phong]

So now you and Artest are the physisicists figuring out what kind of hacking is or is not hard enough to cause injury? That's stupid. The fact of the matter is that all Wallace has to do is land wrong and he can have his season ended right there. While Artest is not the first guy to knock a defenseless opponent out of the sky, Wallace is also not the first guy to get up and be ready to brawl over it. And yet somehow, Artest backing down shows he has a cool head (and seconds later he's up in the stands beating the **** out of an innocent bystander) while KG backs down because he's a "punk." Whatever.
Yeah yeah Big Ben could have tripped on his own two feet after the foul and ran face first into the basket post and it could have ended his career..blah blah blah The fact remains that it wasn't such a hard foul and the intent wasn't to injure him. Did the push cause any injury? Did he fall to the ground? No. He just missed the layup.

Fisher body-checking Scola last year in the playoff was a much harder foul and done with intent. Horry hip-checking Nash into the scorer's table when Nash was running full-speed was much harder than this.

Watch this, listen to the audio comentary and look at the reaction of Gasol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-4ux8nHRDQ. The foul was much harder than the one you're whining about, and what did Gasol do? Nothing. Cause those types of plays are common in the NBA.

As for being a physicists I know that those hard fouls can be dangerous if you hit a player below or above their center of gravity. In the Big Ben play he got pushed on his hip causing him just to move forward even more. On the Gasol play his center of gravity wasn't under him anymore cause he got hit on the arms and that's why he fell. Don't thank me for the lesson.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Yeah yeah Big Ben could have tripped on his own two feet after the foul and ran face first into the basket post and it could have ended his career..blah blah blah The fact remains that it wasn't such a hard foul and the intent wasn't to injure him. Did the push cause any injury? Did he fall to the ground? No. He just missed the layup.

Fisher body-checking Scola last year in the playoff was a much harder foul and done with intent. Horry hip-checking Nash into the scorer's table when Nash was running full-speed was much harder than this.

Watch this, listen to the audio comentary and look at the reaction of Gasol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-4ux8nHRDQ. The foul was much harder than the one you're whining about, and what did Gasol do? Nothing. Cause those types of plays are common in the NBA.
I'm not going to say it was the worst foul in NBA history but the fact of the matter is that it's the kind of foul that people dump topic after topic of hate on KG for. Gasol not giving the same level of reaction illustrates the differences between Gasol and Wallace, not KG and Artest. And you're not addressing the main point, which is about how KG is viewed as a punk coward for pissing off players and then not fighting them, while here we have a case of Artest doing just that---and then just a few moments later going after some poor guy in the stands that just paid 30 bucks to get an ass-kicking--but the reaction of many of the same people that trash Garnett is totally different.

[Phong]

And you're not addressing the main point, which is about how KG is viewed as a punk coward for pissing off players and then not fighting them, while here we have a case of Artest doing just that---and then just a few moments later going after some poor guy in the stands that just paid 30 bucks to get an ass-kicking--but the reaction of many of the same people that trash Garnett is totally different.Because Artest made a basketball play on Wallace. It's part of the game. KG b:tch-slapping Duncan in the back of the head was not. And the worst part of it all is that the altercation wasn't even between him and Duncan. But he slapped Duncan anyway. Is that clear enough for you?

As for Artest fighting a guy in the stands, if he had targeted the right guy who threw a beer in his face, I would have applauded Artest. And he thought, wrongfully, that he was beating up the right guy.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Because Artest made a basketball play on Wallace. It's part of the game. KG b:tch-slapping Duncan in the back of the head was not. And the worst part of it all is that the altercation wasn't even between KG and Duncan. But he slapped Duncan anyway. Is that clear enough for you?

As for Artest fighting a guy in the stands, if he had targeted the right guy who threw a beer in his face, I would have applauded Artest. And he thought, wrongfully, that he was beating up the right guy.
I realize that Artest making a "basketball play" in which he shoves an opponent in the back is the justification you choose to use for your double-standard. Doesn't make it right.

[Real Men Wear Green]

And I see we're still ignoring the fact that, one of the primary complaints about Garnett--that he always allegedly backs away from fights with guys in his size class--is being completely ignored here with Artest, who is just the soul of rationality when he decides not to battle (and then battles just a few moments later) while KG only chooses not to fight because he must be afraid. Again: Whatever.

[Phong]

I realize that Artest making a "basketball play" in which he shoves an opponent in the back is the justification you choose to use for your double-standard. Doesn't make it right.
Make a poll and see what people think about pushes in the back during a game, and what they think about b:tch-slapping in the back of the head when the game has stopped. You'll see what people consider to be the pu$$y move.


And I see we're still ignoring the fact that, one of the primary complaints about Garnett--that he always allegedly backs away from fights with guys in his size class--is being completely ignored here with Artest, who is just the soul of rationality when he decides not to battle (and then battles just a few moments later) while KG only chooses not to fight because he must be afraid. Again: Whatever.
You're sounding more and more ridiculous trying to prove your point.

KG instigates fights. He gets into other players' faces acting all hardcore, going on all four and barking, b:tch-slapping and elbowing, etc... Where do you see Artest doing that in this play? He fouls hard, prevents the layup and just stands there, not even taunting anybody.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Make a poll and see what people think about pushes in the back during a game, and what they think about b:tch-slapping in the back of the head when the game has stopped. You'll see what people consider to be the pu$$y move.
Mods aren't supposed to make useless threads. I am well-aware of KG's perception on this board. I disagree with it. That's why I made the post I did in this thread. Any poll would just have Garnett/Celtic fans voting one way and people like you voting in the opposite. Proves nothing.


KG instigates fights. He gets into other players' faces acting all hardcore, going on all four and barking, b:tch-slapping and elbowing, etc... Where do you see Artest doing that in this play? He fouls hard, prevents the layup and just stands there, not even taunting anybody.
Please. Artest's play is somehow better than a KG elbow? Nonsense. Artest doesn't act hardcore? This thread wouldn't even exist if Artest didn't open his stupid mouth and talk about how he wants to fight Big Ben. Nonsense.

[Phong]

Mods aren't supposed to make useless threads. I am well-aware of KG's perception on this board. I disagree with it. That's why I made the post I did in this thread. Any poll would just have Garnett/Celtic fans voting one way and people like you voting in the opposite. Proves nothing.Ask yourself then. If you were in an altercation with another guy. Would you feel more disrespected by a push or a b:tch-slap? The term "b:tch-slap" itself should tell you which of the two is considered the pu$$y move.

And ask yourself why everybody except Garnett/Celtics fans see KG as a wannabe tough guy. Where does the bias lie?


Please. Artest's play is somehow better than a KG elbow? Nonsense. Artest doesn't act hardcore? This thread wouldn't even exist if Artest didn't open his stupid mouth and talk about how he wants to fight Big Ben. Nonsense.Artest pushing Wallace is not better than KG slapping Duncan, elbowing Lamarcus Aldridge, elbowing Zaza Pachulia, etc ?? Homerism has to have some limits. There's no point discussing with you since you're completely blind.

As for who's trying to look the toughest, like I said, I don't see Artest mugging people while on the bench, going on all fours etc...

[shaoyut]

Ben Wallace would **** up Ron Artest

[Phong]

If the fight happens on a basketball court, there would be no winner. Others players, refs, coaching staffs would all step in and break it before anything serious happens.

If it's a street fight I would give the advantage to the guy who has some form of combat training, unless one of the guy has a very significant size advantage, which isn't the case here.

Depending on Artest's boxing skills he could easily win. Most untrained people always open with a wild haymaker that's easy to dodge and counter.

Boxer taking on 4 guys in a street fight. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWEroXIdGEg)

[Lebron23]

Ben Wallace would **** up Ron Artest


Ben Wallace would destroy Ron Artest and Phong at the same time.

[Phong]

Ben Wallace would destroy Ron Artest and Phong at the same time.
You're little unwarranted attack is pretty lame dude.

Go back on sucking on LeBron's tit and come back when you'll have something interesting to say.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Ask yourself then. If you were in an altercation with another guy. Would you feel more disrespected by a push or a b:tch-slap? The term "b:tch-slap" itself should tell you which of the two is considered the pu$$y move.
Push vs. slap? Why should I even care? Either way, we're about to fight.

And ask yourself why everybody except Garnett/Celtics fans see KG as a wannabe tough guy. Where does the bias lie?
Everyone? That's quite an assumption to be making. But regardless, I don't even view Garnett as a tough guy. I view him as a basketball player. What is currently irritating to me is the fact that Artest gets a free ride from you people for an act that I know would set off another round of deletable topics if KG did it.

Artest pushing Wallace is not better than KG slapping Duncan, elbowing Lamarcus Aldridge, elbowing Zaza Pachulia, etc ?? Homerism has to have some limits. There's no point discussing with you since you're completely blind.
Artest has also pulled down Pierce's shorts, thrown Ariza's shoes into the stands, and many other memorable incidents of a-hole behaviour. Guess you didn't see those. Who's blind now?

As for who's trying to look the toughest, like I said, I don't see Artest mugging people while on the bench, going on all fours etc...
No, you see Artest talking about how he wants to kick Ben Wallace's ass and showing Kobe Bryant that he's "no punk" (I guess we all forgot last year's playoffs, too). Oh, and the occasional domestic incident (which we haven't heard anything the like about KG). He's so much better.

Good night kids, gotta get up for work tomorrow.

[Lebron23]

You're little unwarranted attack is pretty lame dude.

Go back on sucking on LeBron's tit and come back when you'll have something interesting to say.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_IVI5W8Eg3Gs/SI8lYL-M6jI/AAAAAAAAABE/hJEyACF7rNQ/s320/YouMad.jpg

[Phong]

What is currently irritating to me is the fact that Artest gets a free ride from you people for an act that I know would set off another round of deletable topics if KG did it.I have yet to see anybody attack Garnett for pushing a player to prevent a layup.

All I've seen is people talking about his pseudo-tough-guy antics on the side line, him elbowing a few players, going on all fours and barking, picking on point guards and the incident with Peeler when he threw an elbow/punch and then got floored by an elbow.


Artest has also pulled down Pierce's shorts, thrown Ariza's shoes into the stands, and many other memorable incidents of a-hole behaviour. Guess you didn't see those. Who's blind now?I've seen those and yeah these are a-hole moves but it's not cheap-shotting.


No, you see Artest talking about how he wants to kick Ben Wallace's ass and showing Kobe Bryant that he's "no punk" (I guess we all forgot last year's playoffs, too).Last year, Kobe elbowed him and he ended up being ejected. And then he fouled Gasol hard and got ejected. On the second play, with the replay you can see the foul is not that bad but Gasol's fall made it seem like it. Even as a Lakers fan I thought the ejection was uncalled for.


Oh, and the occasional domestic incident (which we haven't heard anything the like about KG). He's so much better.

Good night kids, gotta get up for work tomorrow.What players do outside the court is no concern of mine. I'm no stalker. Good night.

[Lebron23]

The winner gets Shaq :bowdown:


The Winner gets Kendall Gill, Anthony Peeler, and Chris "Right Hook" Childs.

[shawbryant]

I want to see someone fight Mbenga. No one in the league can handle him.
Prove it!

[Shepseskaf]

Does anyone even remember how the Palace Brawl started? When BW pushed Artest and started to walk towards him, Artest backed up and lay down on the table -- totally submissive.

it was obvious that he wanted no part of big Ben then, and he probably doesn't now.

[Rake2204]

Does anyone even remember how the Palace Brawl started? When BW pushed Artest and started to walk towards him, Artest backed up and lay down on the table -- totally submissive.

it was obvious that he wanted no part of big Ben then, and he probably doesn't now.
Not to rile things back up and whatnot, but I always viewed Artest's response as more a means of provocation. I know I've done it before, where I'd do something that was wrong, elicit a negative response from an opponent, then play it off like I did nothing wrong. It's surely manipulative, also common amongst kin.

Lastly, I was going through old video tapes the other day and I found an ESPN interview with Artest (pre-Malace) focusing on his run-in with Pat Riley and the Heat bench (2003?). It turns out there was an occurance where, as Artest left the floor, he threw a bottle of water into the stands, striking a random spectator in the process. I found it ironic if nothing else.

[glidedrxlr22]

The first one to connect a solid shot to the face would win. That's how most fights are decided. I have a feeling Ben is a better fighter and Ron is more of a street wailer.

[oh the horror]

Ben Wallace just strikes me as being freakishly strong. I sure as hell wouldnt want to see that guy get into a raging fight.

[cotdt]

This one's easy. Ben shows up waiting to fight, Ron Artest jumps out from the shadows with a table leg and stabs Ben through the heart.

Artest. He would kill Ben. For real.

[sergiorodriguez]

I think both are bad mother ****ers, but Artest would be more fearless, crazier, and more highly trained. These things would spell doom for Ben Wallace.

[ronnymac]

Ben Wallace was good enough to be a Pro boxer if he wanted to be. he would destroy Ron.Ron needs to get he's head checked.

[ronnymac]

I think both are bad mother ****ers, but Artest would be more fearless, crazier, and more highly trained. These things would spell doom for Ben Wallace.
You do know Wallace was good enough to be a pro boxer right? Artest is a a *****. go watch when he pushed Wallace and went after him in a full boxing stance and Artest started backing away like what the fu## have i done motion. Big Ben would tear him into pieces.

[sergiorodriguez]

You do know Wallace was good enough to be a pro boxer right? Artest is a a *****. go watch when he pushed Wallace and went after him in a full boxing stance and Artest started backing away like what the fu## have i done motion. Big Ben would tear him into pieces.
wtf are you talking about ben wall\ace could have been a pro boxer. artest is the one who's a boxer. You still butt hurt that Artest jumped off the sinking houston ship after taking you guys to the second round for the first time since Hakeem?

[ronnymac]

wtf are you talking about ben wall\ace could have been a pro boxer. artest is the one who's a boxer. You still butt hurt that Artest jumped off the sinking houston ship after taking you guys to the second round for the first time since Hakeem?
Big Ben was GOOD ENOUGH TO BE A PRO BOXER. i read it and it was by he's own quoet. i have no idea about about Artest. but as i said before, before Artest went and attacked a 140 pound geek in the crowd, he fouled wallace real hrd and Big Ben went after him. all artest could do was back away like a *****. for a supposed tough guy he backsteps like a russian gymnast

[flintstone]

Ben Wallace just strikes me as being freakishly strong. I sure as hell wouldnt want to see that guy get into a raging fight.


Ya :eek:


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