Andrew Bynum pissed about All-Star results, says Stoudemire is not even a center

[cotdt]

Bynum played like Amare for the first 3 quarters against the Jazz, that didn't turn out too well. Come on, Bynum is clearly a better player than Amare, who is not even a center.


Told he was second among Western Conference centers behind Phoenix's Amar'e Stoudemire – and facing a significant deficit of 447,776 to 299,484 right out of the gate –Bynum held a blank expression on his face.

"That's messed up, though," he said.

Bynum doesn't view it as a fair fight, because he doesn't consider Stoudemire a center. Neither do the Phoenix Suns, actually, listing Stoudemire at power forward and Channing Frye at center all season – yet that's inconsequential now.

Bynum has been about as quiet about hoping to make his first All-Star team this season as Allen Iverson has been about not wanting to come off the bench this season. Asked the other day about possible New Year's resolutions, Bynum didn't hesitate: "Just one: try to get on the All-Star team."

The Stoudemire ballot issue by no means puts Bynum's dream out of sequence, but it is a setback given he was so vocal about his All-Star plans upon realizing Yao Ming (injured) and O'Neal (going from West to East) wouldn't dominate the West center balloting this season.

But Bynum isn't going to outpoll Stoudemire, who takes this sort of peripheral stuff far more seriously than he does his actual craft of basketball. Stoudemire went on Jim Rome's radio show Thursday "to discuss my 2010 All-Star campaign," as stated via Stoudemire's Twitter account, and there's the vote4amare.com Web site to go with a series of four short films on YouTube starring comedian David Spade and Stoudemire. Stoudemire also is experienced at this, taking down Carmelo Anthony last season at the West's forward spot by mounting a huge rally with the help of a viral Web campaign. Plus, Stoudemire's numbers (19.1 points, 7.6 rebounds, 1.1 blocks) will improve as he restores himself after a career-threatening eye injury last season while Bynum's numbers (17.9 points, 9.4 rebounds, 1.6 blocks) will drop with a healthy Pau Gasol next to him.

"Whatever," Bynum said. "I can't do anything else about it."

Source: http://www.ocregister.com/sports/bynum-223651-stoudemire-season.html

[oh the horror]

While it doesnt make sense at all that Amare is listed as a center....Bynum still needs to just shut his mouth and play basketball. Let his game get better, and let that alone do the talking.

["Jesus"]

Bynum played like Amare for the first 3 quarters against the Jazz, that didn't turn out too well. Come on, Bynum is clearly a better player than Amare, who is not even a center.

Source: http://www.ocregister.com/sports/bynum-223651-stoudemire-season.html

It doesn't matter if he's a better player or not. Popularity.

[OneMoreSucka]

Bynum isn't popular enough.

[ProfessorMurder]

:cry: :cry: :cry:

I don't care.

[HisJoeness]

Stop posting please.

[bomber]

Why is he concerned about the AllStar game. He has an opportunity to become a starting center on a dynasty team and actually prove himself this postseason. Shows some immaturity, that he's caught up in All Star affairs. Let Amare play Bynum, he won't be playing in June.

[adamcz]

The NBA does not have a consistent way of defining the center position, and it's a shortcoming that they should own up to. Duncan is way more a center than Amare is.

[oh the horror]

Bynum isn't popular enough.


Thats pretty much all it sums up to in the end.

[IcanzIIravor]

Bynum isn't popular enough.

Yep. He just needs to focus on staying healthy and perfecting his craft. The all-star selections and popularity will grow if he takes care of those.

[Kensta]

Bynum isn't popular enough but if Amare was put in as a Forward, I doubt he would be an all star.

[ashar008]

While I do agree with Bynum I have to admit he is being a little immature and selfish. Who cares if you don't start for the asg. The only thing on your mind right now should be defending the title. I've noticed him becoming more and more of a selfish player lately. Not passing the ball, concerned on his stats, not defending, not rebounding. Although I know he can score on anyone in the league :lol . Just too damn long for anyone to effectively guard.

[Abraham Lincoln]

In today's brand of basketball the 4 & 5 are interchangeable.

[Luigi]

But Bynum isn't going to outpoll Stoudemire, who takes this sort of peripheral stuff far more seriously than he does his actual craft of basketball.

That's bad news writing. Refelcts a strong bias.

[LA_Showtime]

there are certain parts of bynum that remind me of young kobe lol... like going for individual accolades.

his time will come, whether or not it will be this season remains to be seen.

[DuMa]

Bynum isnt gonna get any more popular after this

[chazzy]

Well he has a point.. considering Amare was listed at Forward last year and Center this year, but still plays PF. I'd be pissed too if I was the best center in the west and got beat out by a more popular PF. Oh well, he needs to stop focusing so much on his offensive production and be a beast on the boards and defense.

[oh the horror]

there are certain parts of bynum that remind me of young kobe lol... like going for individual accolades.




Absolutely. The kid opens his mouth far too much, and he hasnt even done much in his career yet to earn that right.

[U got Served]

All Star= Popularity and homers voting for their team. Not necessarily who is better. I wonder if Tmac has more votes than Bynum? That would be awsome. Bynum also needs to worry about his defense a little more instead of the all star votes.

[Lakers13]

Bynum just needs to keep improving his defense and rebounds, and the coaching staffs will vote him in.

[Luigi]

It ought to be Point Guards, Wings, Bigs. Get rid of this center stuff.

-The Talent. We have a lot of point guard talent in this era of the NBA that needs to be better represented in the ASG. Nash, Paul, Williams, Billups, Davis, Parker, Kidd, Rose, Rondo, Harris, Stuckey. The NBA is moving away from the 2 guard and toward the scoring point guard.
-What's a center? It is a lot easier to define point guard than it is to define center. This definition is mostly manipulative today for GOAT spots and ASG selections.
-Apples and Oranges. The forward positions group players that shouldn't be competing against each other for spots: Carmello vs Dirk, Durant vs Duncan, Iguodala vs Garnett.
-Fewer tweeners. There are tons of 2/3 and 4/5 tweeners, but very few 1/2 and 3/4 tweeners. I'd much rather deal with the rare Gilbert Arenas and Rashard Lewis categorization than the dozens of sg/sf and pf/c combos we deal with right now.

[CB4GOATPF]

In today's brand of basketball the 4 & 5 are interchangeable.

:applause: :roll:

[Story Up]

In today's brand of basketball the 4 & 5 are interchangeable.

You couldn't be more wrong.

[BigTicket]

He's right, Amare isn't a center.

Its not Bynum who is getting screwed though, since Duncan actually is a center but not listed as one, so if they got the listings right Bynum still wouldnt be the starter, he'd just come off the bench behind Duncan instead of Amare.

[Abraham Lincoln]

You couldn't be more wrong.
The modern game has developed to where there not as much distinction between the two positions.

[sergiorodriguez]

he's most likely a coaches selection anyways. But yeh Amare is terrible. No defense. All dunks. Pads his stats in garbage time. Cares more about personal numbers than wins. He's the tracy mcgrady of big men.

[sergiorodriguez]

He's right, Amare isn't a center.

Its not Bynum who is getting screwed though, since Duncan actually is a center but not listed as one, so if they got the listings right Bynum still wouldnt be the starter, he'd just come off the bench behind Duncan instead of Amare.
Bynum is having a better year than Duncan this year

[flipogb]

yeah hes right Amare isn't a C, but Bynum shouldn't worry, hel most likely get voted in by the coaches, and most likely Phil will be the coach and will play him more than Amare

[dkmwise]

I think Amare getting voted in as a center isn't anywhere near as bad as Tracy McGrady getting voted in period

[oh the horror]

I think Amare getting voted in as a center isn't anywhere near as bad as Tracy McGrady getting voted in period


Thats for damn sure. Dude shouldnt even have been on the damn ballot this year.

[monkeypox]

The kid really needs to grow up and stop worry about this kind of stuff.

[G-train]

It ought to be Point Guards, Wings, Bigs. Get rid of this center stuff.

I see what you are saying, but I don't think it should happen.

The NBA should give players a position at the start of the season. Get a team of ppl to do it. They will be known as this position fo the entire season - so for all references on broadcasting and Allstar voting there will be a position for that player.
Rookies can be judged on their college or overseas career.

[chazzy]

The modern game has developed to where there not as much distinction between the two positions.

You could argue just the opposite, with all the shooting PFs there are in the league. Aldridge, Rashard Lewis, Dirk, Beasley, Villanueva, Gallinari, Jeff Green, Lamar Odom... none of these players are interchangeable with centers. There just aren't as many marquee Centers so it seems they're all the same, but they're not.

[kobesabi]

Maybe NBA was pissing back at Bynum for having too much fun with the Playboy bunnies. Anther NBA fix scandal! :D

I actually like to delay Bynum into the All-Star as long as possible to make him work harder every year. Yes, Bynum should STFUAPB.

[purple8gold]

Bynum doesn't get it. Bynum, shut your mouth and play basketball. Let your basketball do the talking. If you're good, people will start noticing and they will vote for you. Sheesh.

[Abraham Lincoln]

You could argue just the opposite, with all the shooting PFs there are in the league. Aldridge, Rashard Lewis, Dirk, Beasley, Villanueva, Gallinari, Jeff Green, Lamar Odom... none of these players are interchangeable with centers. There just aren't as many marquee Centers so it seems they're all the same, but they're not.
A number of those players could play the 3 as well and have in prior seasons. Nowaways the word 'natural' is used much more frequently than it used to be in talking about a player's position. More tweeners between positions, including the 2/3. It's part of a transitional phase. Just as in the 1960's there was no real difference between either guard position.

[Samurai Swoosh]

I think the ASG selection process is retarded. Everything from the fan voting in starters, to the fact that they don't ask the five best players from a conference, they define it by position and even then there is contradictions ... is Tim Duncan a C or PF, is Amare Stoudemire a C or PF, etc. There is loop holes.

[Celts34]

This all Bynum should have said

http://www.erinjackson.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/cmon_son.jpg

[highwhey]

Thats pretty much all it sums up to in the end.
stop whining then. your name implies sarcasm, use some of it.

[sergiorodriguez]

Bynum should talk comfort in the fact that the Allstar game is the highpoint in Amare's season. Bynum's got more important things to achieve

[bdreason]

What sucks is that some teams actually put contract bonuses that are dependant upon making All-Star games.

[oh the horror]

stop whining then. your name implies sarcasm, use some of it.


How was I whining anywhere in this thread? You on your period or something?

[highwhey]

sorry dude, my mistake, i'm out of it today...

[Laker4Lyfe]

Why is he concerned about the AllStar game. He has an opportunity to become a starting center on a dynasty team and actually prove himself this postseason. Shows some immaturity, that he's caught up in All Star affairs. Let Amare play Bynum, he won't be playing in June.


:applause::applause::applause:

I hope Phil/Kobe/Fisher tell him to shut up and remember that he has bigger fish to fry.

[oh the horror]

sorry dude, my mistake, i'm out of it today...


No worries. :D

[Myth]

While it doesnt make sense at all that Amare is listed as a center....Bynum still needs to just shut his mouth and play basketball. Let his game get better, and let that alone do the talking.

Agreed. Its sad that Andrew is complaining. He sounds like he feels entitled to start as a default. Things happened to work out in a way for Bynum to have a chance (Yao/Shaq gone), but now he is complaining about 1 more road block. He should hope to deserve the start, not hope that he starts by default due to nobody else being West Coast centers. Not trying to hate on the guy, I mostly like his attitude about things, I'm just referring to these specific comments.

[highwhey]

No worries. :D
cool
theres some other guy with a lakers av that keeps whining tho, lol, my mistake, but yeah...

random question, any one have a link for suns-magic game 2nite? we just moved into our house today and direcTV ain't comming until sunday...thanks.

[Roundball_Rock]

. Plus, Stoudemire's numbers (19.1 points, 7.6 rebounds, 1.1 blocks) will improve as he restores himself after a career-threatening eye injury last season while Bynum's numbers (17.9 points, 9.4 rebounds, 1.6 blocks) will drop with a healthy Pau Gasol next to him.

This is something Laker homers fail to realize. Bynum's numbers likely will decline. His career year is 13/10. A good 15-20 games do not make you an all-star. Bynum fans should know this better than anyone... Amare's worst year since his rookie year was 21/8. Bynum's numbers are great right now and comparable to Amare's but by the end of the year we know who will have the better record.

Quit whining, Andrew. Amare does play some center for the Suns. Duncan was listed as a F for years even though he predominantly played center and you didn't hear Amare--or anyone else--cry about having to compete with Duncan for a forward position. Bynum has the biggest fan base in all of basketball and perhaps all of sports after the Yankees and Cowboys yet is well behind in all-star voting. There is a reason for that...


Bynum should talk comfort in the fact that the Allstar game is the highpoint in Amare's season. Bynum's got more important things to achieve

:roll:

Bynum's record in the playoffs

0/0/0 (2 minutes played in one game)
4/5/0
6/4/0 (last year)

I won't even bother insulting Amare by comparing his record to a guy who put up 6/4/0 last year when he coasted to a title last year while making less contributions than Luc Longley did on the 90's Bulls.

[Luigi]

I see what you are saying, but I don't think it should happen.

The NBA should give players a position at the start of the season. Get a team of ppl to do it. They will be known as this position fo the entire season - so for all references on broadcasting and Allstar voting there will be a position for that player.
Rookies can be judged on their college or overseas career.

You could still have positions assigned. But I don't see how that solves the Guard, Forward, Center breakdown they have now, other than deciding on tweeners.

There are other reasons to prefer the Point, Wing, Big breakdown. It makes more sense in today's game to represent today's players.

[phoenix18]

If a laker is getting beat out by a Sun in fan voting, you should blame yourself. How many times have I seen this team on TV compared to Phoenix?

[Skyscraper]

uhhh isn't it universally agreed that the young playesr (Bynum is what 21? 22?) go for the individual accolades first... as they reach their 30s they begin to get into title hunt mode?

The only difference is bynum already won a title and it is liekly he will win a few more... then once Kobe retires, people will say Bynum rode kobe's coattails... blah blah blah

[sergiorodriguez]

This is something Laker homers fail to realize. Bynum's numbers likely will decline. His career year is 13/10. A good 15-20 games do not make you an all-star. Bynum fans should know this better than anyone... Amare's worst year since his rookie year was 21/8. Bynum's numbers are great right now and comparable to Amare's but by the end of the year we know who will have the better record.

Quit whining, Andrew. Amare does play some center for the Suns. Duncan was listed as a F for years even though he predominantly played center and you didn't hear Amare--or anyone else--cry about having to compete with Duncan for a forward position. Bynum has the biggest fan base in all of basketball and perhaps all of sports after the Yankees and Cowboys yet is well behind in all-star voting. There is a reason for that...



:roll:

Bynum's record in the playoffs

0/0/0 (2 minutes played in one game)
4/5/0
6/4/0 (last year)

I won't even bother insulting Amare by comparing his record to a guy who put up 6/4/0 last year when he coasted to a title last year while making less contributions than Luc Longley did on the 90's Bulls.
bynum was recovring from injury in the playoffs last year you damn bozo

[Raider007]

The modern game has developed to where there not as much distinction between the two positions.

Its not the way the league has developed, its the fact there are no true centers to be had.

Bynum would not be a good 4, but is capable of being a great 5.

[Roundball_Rock]

That is the point. Bynum has not proven himself to be an all-star player. Every year he has a few good games in the winter, Laker homers begin hyping him as the second coming of Kareem, and then he gets hurt. Let's see the guy put together a full season that is better than 13/10 or 14/8 and actually contribute in the playoffs before declaring him a great player. Even if he remains healthy it would not exactly be a surprise to see his numbers decline to something like 15/9 or 16/8.

[DKLaker]

This is great for Lakers Fans and very bad for the Laker Haters, Now you have an Angry, Motivated 7 footer looking to make a name for himself on a Championship team.......that's like dropping a T-Rex into a picnic.
We won with the guy doing nothing last year....now we will be unstoppable in the playoffs!!!!!

[Micku]

Wait, so Bynum isn't going to be in the all star? Well, that kind'a sucks. He has been playing really well.

[cotdt]

Wait, so Bynum isn't going to be in the all star? Well, that kind'a sucks. He has been playing really well.

He could still get in as a reserve by the coaches. But yeah... it sucks.

[Abraham Lincoln]

Its not the way the league has developed, its the fact there are no true centers to be had.
And this is partially due to the league's development, thus the league rule changes altering coaching strategies. There have always been multi-positional & multi-talented bigs, but not at the expense of the true traditional ones. Howard entered the league with aspirations of becoming the next KG. He plays center now but could very likely play the 4 in prior eras, depending who is next to him. Bynum is one of the few exceptions having been instructed by Jabbar properly. He is effective on offense in large part due to his length and how he uses it. He NEVER brings the ball down beit while receiving an entry pass or finishing off an offensive rebound. I don't like it, but the way the rules are set up now hinders the offensively dominant big mans ability to play the post. You Lakers fans are too accustomed to watching a proper offensive NBA system being the triple post (triangle) offense. Most nowadays are over obsessed Vance Walberg's dribble drive offense, made popular by Calipari at Memphis. Sadly with spread out penetrate & dish methods of play, the off ball movement is stagnated as well as the post man. When you have 4 players outside the three point line with the modern rules, it minimizes the effectiveness of a dominant center in the half court offense.

It is roughly similar to the Orlando Magic's offense last season, where from what I had seen the multi-talented $110 million man Rashard Lewis was relegated to playing a 6-10 Steve Kerr.

[cotdt]

And this is partially due to the league's development, thus the league rule changes altering coaching strategies. There have always been multi-positional & multi-talented bigs, but not at the expense of the true traditional ones. Howard entered the league with aspirations of becoming the next KG. He plays center now but could very likely play the 4 in prior eras, depending who is next to him. Bynum is one of the few exceptions having been instructed by Jabbar properly. He is effective on offense in large part due to his length and how he uses it. He NEVER brings the ball down beit while receiving an entry pass or finishing off an offensive rebound. I don't like it, but the way the rules are set up now hinders the offensively dominant big mans ability to play the post. You Lakers fans are too accustomed to watching a proper offensive NBA system being the triple post (triangle) offense. Most nowadays are over obsessed Vance Walberg's dribble drive offense, made popular by Calipari at Memphis. Sadly with spread out penetrate & dish methods of play, the off ball movement is stagnated as well as the post man. When you have 4 players outside the three point line with the modern rules, it minimizes the effectiveness of a dominant center in the half court offense.

It is roughly similar to the Orlando Magic's offense last season, where from what I had seen the multi-talented $110 million man Rashard Lewis was relegated to playing a 6-10 Steve Kerr.

Good points, a sad development indeed. We are lucky to be Laker fans.

[sergiorodriguez]

Bynum is also probably pissed because in head to head matchups Amare always gets shut down and plays like a turd vs Bynum

[dab0yech0]

Bynum played like Amare for the first 3 quarters against the Jazz, that didn't turn out too well. Come on, Bynum is clearly a better player than Amare, who is not even a center.



Source: http://www.ocregister.com/sports/bynum-223651-stoudemire-season.html


All Star voting is a joke anyways. Chris Kaman would be starting over Andrew Bynum if it was legit.

[konex]

Bynum needs to STFU. He isn't anywhere as good as Amare and he should be grateful to be playing on a loaded team getting easy baskets all night..

[Roundball_Rock]

Bynum needs to STFU. He isn't anywhere as good as Amare and he should be grateful to be playing on a loaded team getting easy baskets all night..

:applause: It is refreshing to hear a Lakers fan say that. The last time Amare was healthy for a full season he was 5th in scoring, second team all-NBA (first team the previous year), and 6th in MVP voting. Bynum is not in the same league as him. As the poster above you noted, he isn't even the best player at his position in his city. Bynum is a role player and needs to realize that. He will hurt his team if he tries to generate big numbers in order to keep pace with a superior player.


Bynum is also probably pissed because in head to head matchups Amare always gets shut down and plays like a turd vs Bynum

That is ridiculous.

12/09

Amare 18/8
Bynum 13/6

11/09

Bynum 26/15
Amare 8/5

12/08

Amare 21/11
Bynum 17/11

11/08

Amare 21/8
Bynum 10/7

12/07

Bynum 28/12
Amare 19/6

11/07

Bynum 14/13
Amare 7/1

4/07

Amare 15/16
Bynum 8/2

4/07

Amare 19/9
Bynum 7/7

3/07

Amare 17/11
Bynum 6/6

10/06

Bynum 18/9
Amare 6/1 (only played 11 minutes)

This is despite Bynum being the 3rd-5th best player on his team (in the regular season. In the playoffs he drops to about 9th best) and Amare being the leading scorer perennially on his team and hence receiving far more defensive attention than a role player like Bynum. Send Bynum to the Suns and he would be a 14/8, 13/10 type. Oh wait...

[chazzy]

Amare's a better player of course, but Bynum is a better center so far this season. That's the issue at hand, Amare should be listed as a PF because that's what he's been playing as this season, and Bynum has been the best center for the West. It doesn't matter what Bynum's done in past seasons, or what his numbers will be at the end of this season. All stars are selected based on their play in the first half of a given season.

[vert48]

Where in the article does it say that Bynum is pissed?

[kumquat]

:cry::cry::cry: <<<< Bynum

[kobesabi]

Where in the article does it say that Bynum is pissed?
Good point! LOL, Most been suckered into the skewed or over-interpretation of the OP without reading the original article.


After reading the original article, he sure doesn't sound too piss about it, just a little disagreement and seemingly don't care even on the issue as like the OP puts it in the subject especially the statement "Whatever...I can't do anything else about it."

[Verified]

Where did anyone get Bynum is pissed? All he did was voice his opinion.

[Bigsmoke]

i dont get it. Stoudemire was playing SF last all star game and now he's a center?

[LA_Showtime]

Actually, this title/article is BS. Sure, Bynum likes to whine. But he's also one of those kids who is just really blunt with the media. He doesn't cover up what he's thinking, and it shows when stupid articles like this coming out. Any Laker fan who's heard what he's had to say the last couple of years will understand.

[Artillery]

The kid opens his mouth far too much, and he hasnt even done much in his career yet to earn that right.

This

[Verified]

I see a lot of people are more mad than Bynum is :oldlol:

Pathetic

[WonkeyDonkey]

western conf guards reserve the rights to be pissed

[NBASTATMAN]

In today's brand of basketball the 4 & 5 are interchangeable.


Still Bynum deserves to start at center for the west..

[LA_Showtime]

Still Bynum deserves to start at center for the west..

Either way, his time will come, unless he gets injured again. When it's all said and done, he'll care more about rings than all-star appearances. He just doesn't know that right now.:oldlol:

[Mgamer20o0]

could very well be voted in as back up. i dont see what the big deal is. he was asked a question he answered. it even points out even the suns has stoudemire as PF. shut his mouth? should he no longer talk to reporters.

he should know like everyone its all popularity contest. tmac is in the lead for the 2nd guard spot?

[kidcoolangot]

bynum is not even all star starter material yet.

[crisoner]

All Star game is a popularity contest for the most part.
T-Mac is set to start for the West and has not been playing this season.

[ShoeGuy]

Bynum's young. He's still got plenty of time. Shouldn't sweat it...a ring or 2 is better than a trivial popularity contest

[blackification]

Amare is the center on offense and PF on defense. Suns switch it up but idk why they list him as PF when he jumps for the ball most of the time. Plus Amare is better suited for the all star game cause of his nice dunks what the hell is bynum going to do?

[cotdt]

Amare is the center on offense and PF on defense. Suns switch it up but idk why they list him as PF when he jumps for the ball most of the time. Plus Amare is better suited for the all star game cause of his nice dunks what the hell is bynum going to do?

Being an All-Star is not just to play in a meaningless game, but it's an award to is part of a player's resume. I think of it as a mini-MVP kinda thing.

[blackification]

Being an All-Star is not just to play in a meaningless game, but it's an award to is part of a player's resume. I think of it as a mini-MVP kinda thing.
Isn't that what the all nba team is for? or is it different just because its east and west combined?

[cotdt]

Isn't that what the all nba team is for? or is it different just because its east and west combined?

Yeah it's basically the same thing, but All-Star award gets more attention. Like when someone says "This team has three All-Stars" or "Kobe Bryant is a 14-time All-Star". You rarely hear "This team has one All-NBA player".

[DirtBag]

isn't this similar to when they had Duncan playing C but had him on the ballot as a PF all those years because they knew that Yao would be voted in over him

[ukballer]

Patience Laker/Bynum fanatics. :cheers:

His time will come. Hell, you never know, he might even get voted in as a reserve this season.

[momo]

Right now I want to see Drew on the D Glass. That's all. Get on the dam glass and forget the all star game. That might get a coaches attention.

[MaxFly]

My initial reaction, like many of you, was that Bynum should just let this go and play basketball. He should be focused on a championship, not individual accolades.

However, in thinking about this further, I have to take the kid's side. This is a kid who's had quite a bit of pressure on him to mature as a basketball player quickly. He's suffered a few injuries and many were quick to call him a bust early in his career. He's received quite a bit of scrutiny, especially from Laker fans, and many others have been quick to dismiss him (I had a guy tell me at the beginning of the season that Bynum isn't even on par with Perkins).

Despite all of this, he's kept quiet, kept his head down, and put in work. He's averaging almost 18 points, 9 rebounds and a block and a half this season. One of his goals is to make the all star team, and I have to commend him for wanting to improve and putting in the work to be considered a star player. There are too many players in the league content with where they are as players because of the money they are making.

It's a good thing that he wants to be an all-star, and it's understandable that he would be disappointed with this news, especially since he's played better than Amare this season. Moreover, it doesn't seem that he went out looking to make a statement, but rather, was asked about it.

[HylianNightmare]

he's not popular enough though i would rather him start at the C than amare

[Lebron23]

Andrew Bynum would be the backup Center for the Western Conference All Stars.

[Nets fan 93]

It doesn't matter if he's a better player or not. Popularity.
He plays on the damn lakers....

[Verified]

He's gonna be backup if he keeps playing like this or hopefully the votes swing in his favor but I doubt it with Amare being pathetic enough to promote himself like Bosh did.

[MaxFly]

Right now I want to see Drew on the D Glass. That's all. Get on the dam glass and forget the all star game. That might get a coaches attention.

I'm sure he can do both. Being voted to, or selected for the all-star game is a prestigious honor for all players who have reached that plateau for the first time... It's recognition that you are one of the best in the game. I doubt he's going to forget about it.

[RaceBannana]

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[Roundball_Rock]

He plays on the damn lakers....

Exactly yet he is still getting crushed in voting. There is a reason for that. Other than Laker homers everyone knows who the superior player is...

Bynum is owed nothing. He may not even be the best center in LA. If he wants to get more votes he needs to let his game do his talking. What did he do in his first game since complaining? 12/8 4 fouls. What did Amare do? 28/10, shut down Howard (the same guy who dominated Bynum in the finals...) when he was guarding him, and the game sealing offensive rebound and dunk.

It will be interesting to see who has better numbers by the end of January between Bynum and Kaman. Going by Bynum's track record (great for 10-15 game stretches but never consistent over an extended period) I would bet it will be Kaman. Of course Bynum will get the second center spot over Kaman because he plays for the most popular team.


Despite all of this, he's kept quiet, kept his head down, and put in work. He's averaging almost 18 points, 9 rebounds and a block and a half this season.

16/8 over the past ten games. He simply had a great 10 game stretch to open the year. Since then he is putting up mediocre numbers (15/7).

Where are all these people getting the idea that Bynum has played better than Amare?

Stoudemire vs. Bynum

Amare: 20/8 on 56% shooting
Bynum: 18/9 on 58% shooting

You also have to factor in the fact that Amare is perennially his team's leading scorer whereas Bynum is his team's 3rd-5th best player. Teams heavily focus on Amare; Bynum is an afterthought after Kobe and Gasol and teams also have to consider Artest and Odom.

We all know Bynum always has great stretches of games in winter every year, which creates a perennial Laker fan Bynum hype fest. Is Bynum the real deal this year?

Bynum: real deal or third annual flash in the pan?

Here is what the two have done over the last 10 games. Remember, we are only one-quarter through the season. Bynum does not deserve an all-star spot based on 10 good games to start the year. If you are going to hold that position you have to believe Brandon Jennings should be designated an all-star based on his great performances to kick off the year even though he has struggled since then.

Bynum: 15/7 56%
Amare 19/8 58%

Bynum is down in: minutes, scoring, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, and field goal percentage. The only areas where he has been better over the past 10 games versus the previous 11 are turnovers and free throw shooting.

Amare is up in: rebounding, steals, blocks, turnovers, field goal percentage, and free throw percentage. He has remained even in assists and steals.

Amare is still not 100%. His numbers are steadily improving while Bynum's are regressing to his usual 14/8.

As to Kaman--who isn't even on the ballot (why isn't Bynum complaining about that?)--he is averaging 19/9 for the year which is comparable to Bynum's production despite Kaman being his team's best player. Switch Kaman and Bynum and who would have better numbers? Bynum would get more touches but he would also face real defensive attention for the first time in his career.

Don't forget Al Jefferson. He is averaging 16/9 for the year but his numbers should improve by the ASG as well. He is up to 16/11 in the past 10 games. Jefferson was a 23/11 and 21/11 guy the past two seasons so it is unlikely that he will remain at 16/9 by the ASG.

By the ASG Bynum may very well have the fourth best numbers out of Amare, Jefferson, and Kaman. If he wants to earn his spot he needs to produce comparable numbers. Of course, the dilemma for him is he is a role player and if he attempts to keep pace with guys who are 25/9 and 23/11 players when they are healthy he will damage his team. The problem? His team's success is the reason why he gets so much more publicity than a Kaman or Jefferson in the first place.

[Verified]

Exactly yet he is still getting crushed in voting. There is a reason for that. Other than Laker homers everyone knows who the superior player is...

Well, Amare did a campaign for himself, made a site, advertised it everywhere. We all know that stuff works, see Bosh. Next. Only Laker haters like yourself can pretend like that's not a big part, if not the biggest.



Bynum is owed nothing. He may not even be the best center in LA. If he wants to get more votes he needs to let his game do his talking. What did he do in his first game since complaining? 12/8 4 fouls. What did Amare do? 28/10, shut down Howard (the same guy who dominated Bynum in the finals...) when he was guarding him, and the game sealing offensive rebound and dunk.

12/8/3 blocks in 24 mins is not impressive? Let's disregard the facts that LA were up big throughout the 4th and got some BS fouls, one that shouldn't even have went to him cause Kobe fouled him. Next?


You also have to factor in the fact that Amare is perennially his team's leading scorer whereas Bynum is his team's 3rd-5th best player.

Works both ways. You can even argue that Bynum's numbers are low because he's playing with the best SG in the league, top 3 PF, a top SF and decent players.


Bynum is an afterthought after Kobe and Gasol and teams also have to consider Artest and Odom.

Bynum was doubled the whole game against Phoenix because Suns couldn't handle him when he dropped 26/15 while Amare dropped an awesome 8/5 on 2-15 shooting but let's disregard that. Right? Man this is fun.

I'm not gonna bother quoting the rest of your hating ass post considering all you do on ISH is hate everything Laker related but have you maybe considered that Bynum is NOT playing worse but everything else is declining because Gasol is back? I could even argue that Bynum is playing his BEST ball. He's passing out of the post, throwing some great passes, taking his time and working harder on D.


Anyways, on to the next one...

[ganja0710]

he's most likely a coaches selection anyways. But yeh Amare is terrible. No defense. All dunks. Pads his stats in garbage time. Cares more about personal numbers than wins. He's the tracy mcgrady of big men.
You're by far the biggest idiot i've seen on ISH, congrats. :cheers:

[barbaroi]

Blah blah blah blah
We all saw what Bynum could do when given the opportunity. He was a 20/10 player until Pau came back. He was averaging 14 FGA and 36ish MPG until Pau came back. Give him back his playing time and his touches and he'd be putting up 20/10 still.

[Verified]

We all saw what Bynum could do when given the opportunity. He was a 20/10 player until Pau came back. He was averaging 14 FGA and 36ish MPG until Pau came back. Give him back his playing time and his touches and he'd be putting up 20/10 still.

Pretty much. Dudes are acting like Bynum was putting up a measly 8/5 when Pau was out. He was a 20/10 guy as the number 2 man. It's funny how he can get discredited because he plays with Kobe but Amare plays with Nash so why doesn't he get discredited? Oh, I forgot Bynum plays for the world champion Lakers. :rolleyes:

[Extempo]

bynum needs to shut his whiny trap and focus on getting more boards. his goals are very selfish, he makes me appreciate a guy like gasol that much more. the first thing gasol said after coming to the lakers was 'i want to help kobe and the lakers win a championship.' and here we have this blackhole whose #1 goal is to get on the all star team, how about going for a repeat jackass?

[D-Rose]

At the end of all this Amare will start and Bynum will be the backup.

Bynum has been the better Center though considering you know, Amare doesn't even play the position.

[Verified]

bynum needs to shut his whiny trap and focus on getting more boards. his goals are very selfish, he makes me appreciate a guy like gasol that much more. the first thing gasol said after coming to the lakers was 'i want to help kobe and the lakers win a championship.' and here we have this blackhole whose #1 goal is to get on the all star team, how about going for a repeat jackass?

Yup, I'm sure Bynum rather go to the ASG than win a championship. Believe it or not, 99% of players WANT to go to the ASG. Bynum just gets hated on because he's voicing it. Also how is Bynum being whiny? He got asked about it and commented on it. :rolleyes:

[Roundball_Rock]

Well, Amare did a campaign for himself, made a site, advertised it everywhere. We all know that stuff works, see Bosh. Next. Only Laker haters like yourself can pretend like that's not a big part, if not the biggest.

Lakers haters? According to Jordan fans here I am a closet Lakers fan. :confusedshrug:

You make a valid point but it is obvious everyone other than Lakers Nation considers Amare a better player. Lakers Nation hypes Bynum up every winter...


12/8/3 blocks in 24 mins is not impressive?

Staying on the floor matters. Avoiding foul trouble is an important part of the game. If you want to go the per minute route then Oden>Bynum yet Lakers fans have been acting as if Bynum is peerless among Western centers this year.

28/10, shutting down the league's best center, making the game sealing offensive rebound and dunk. That is impressive. That is what Bynum is competing against.


Works both ways. You can even argue that Bynum's numbers are low because he's playing with the best SG in the league, top 3 PF, a top SF and decent players.

Sure. It is hypothetical. What we know is Amare is a top 5 scorer in the league when 100%. Bynum has never been better than 14/8 or 13/10 other than for 10-15 game stretches. Tyrus Thomas had a comparable stretch last year. Does that make him an all-star?

Amare is not exactly playing with scrubs. He has Nash, Richardson (a 22 ppg guy before coming to Phoenix), and Grant Hill taking shots from him. The key difference is Amare is his team's leading scorer while Bynum is his team's third leading scorer. It is Amare who receives far more defensive attention than Bynum as a result.


Bynum was doubled the whole game against Phoenix because Suns couldn't handle him when he dropped 26/15 while Amare dropped an awesome 8/5 on 2-15 shooting but let's disregard that.

That was when Gasol was out. Yeah, let's cherry pick one bad game Amare had. He had 18/8 versus Bynum's 13/6.


considering all you do on ISH is hate everything Laker related

As I said, according to Jordan fans I am a closet Laker fan. :confusedshrug:


have you maybe considered that Bynum is NOT playing worse but everything else is declining because Gasol is back?

Perhaps but what is more likely is regression toward the mean. 14/8 players don't average 14/8 every week. They are going to have great stretches and some bad ones.

Bynum probably should be the third center, if there is one, behind Amare and Kaman right now. Jefferson likely will overtake him by January. If Bynum played on the Jazz (another team with an all-star caliber center) or the Thunder we wouldn't be having this discussion.


At the end of all this Amare will start and Bynum will be the backup.

Bynum has been the better Center though considering you know, Amare doesn't even play the position.

Did you see Amare shut down Howard while playing center for much of last night? Bynum should take notes considering what Howard did to him in the finals...

Amare plays some center. That is a lame excuse anyway. Duncan primarily plays center and has done so for years yet is always listed as a forward. Did you hear Dirk, Amare, or any other forward complain about that?


We all saw what Bynum could do when given the opportunity. He was a 20/10 player until Pau came back. He was averaging 14 FGA and 36ish MPG until Pau came back. Give him back his playing time and his touches and he'd be putting up 20/10 still.

Is that the first time he has averaged around 20/10 over a ten game period? Come on Laker fans. You've seen this movie every winter...

[barbaroi]

Perhaps but what is more likely is regression toward the mean. 14/8 players don't average 14/8 every week. They are going to have great stretches and some bad ones.

You're a dumbass. How is it "more likely" regression to the mean when the timing of his dropoff coincides EXACTLY with the timing of Gasol's return. His per-minute stats haven't dropped off one bit. He just isn't getting the same amount of minutes on the floor. Welcome to my ignore list now your retardedness is on PB level.

[Extempo]

Yup, I'm sure Bynum rather go to the ASG than win a championship. Believe it or not, 99% of players WANT to go to the ASG. Bynum just gets hated on because he's voicing it. Also how is Bynum being whiny? He got asked about it and commented on it. :rolleyes:
excuse me, i follow the lakers, i should know. he comments on it way too much. if he's asked about it, he should just say 'i'll let my play do the talking and if i get voted in great, if not, we have bigger goals in mind.' instead he chooses to whine to the media about how his #1 goal this year is to make the all star team and how unfair it is that amare is getting more votes than him and blah blah blah. stfu and you'll get voted in by the coaches if you deserve it.

[Verified]

Staying on the floor matters.

It's hard to stay on the floor when you're beating up a team genius.


What we know is Amare is a top 5 scorer in the league when 100%

Kobe
Wade
Lebron
Melo
Dirk
Bosh

Fail? I think so.


That was when Gasol was out. Yeah, let's cherry pick one bad game Amare had. He had 18/8 versus Bynum's 13/6.

I picked that game because they guarded each other and this is the point of this debate.


As I said, according to Jordan fans I am a closet Laker fan.

When that's your only backup then it's really hard to argue that you're not a Laker hater. I've seen enough of your posts to give you that title.



If Bynum played on the Jazz (another team with an all-star caliber center) or the Thunder we wouldn't be having this discussion.

He'd be putting up better numbers and we'd be here talking about how underrated he is. Everyone knows that every Laker gets hated on. It's a fact on ISH.

[chazzy]

Exactly yet he is still getting crushed in voting. There is a reason for that. Other than Laker homers everyone knows who the superior player is...

Of course Amare is the better player, but Bynum isn't nearly as popular as you think. He missed most of the last two seasons and played injured during last year's playoff run. Casual fans think nothing of him, Amare is a perennial all star and should be getting more votes than him. The issue is that Bynum SHOULD be the starting West center because he's the best west center, and Amare is a PF listed in the wrong position.


Bynum is owed nothing. He may not even be the best center in LA.

Are you implying Chris Kaman is better? He's putting up similar stats and but only converting 47% of his shots. And his team is in the lottery. Not to mention defense, Bynum is way more imposing than Kaman in the paint.




As to Kaman, he is averaging 19/9 for the year which is comparable to Bynum's production despite Kaman being his team's best player. Switch Kaman and Bynum and who would have better numbers? Bynum would get more touches but he would also face real defensive attention for the first time in his career.


Kaman had a hot start as well, and how has he been doing the past 10 games? And of course Bynum's numbers all around are down because PAU GASOL is back in the starting lineup, he's now a 3rd option. You can't say "oh now he has less attention and he can't capitalize".. he's simply not getting as many touches and has to share rebounds with Pau and Odom. Look at Trevor Ariza, he's pretty much a first option in Houston and he's putting up 18 ppg (albeit on a bad percentage).. which is surprising considering last year, he had a difficult time creating for himself.

A misconception about Bynum is that his teammates set him up for everything, when in fact he's proven to have a good offensive skillset and can create for himself. He put up those numbers in the beginning of the season as the 2nd option with more defensive attention, what makes you think he can't do that? He was averaging around 20/10 before Pau came back, and Kobe was averaging 30+ ppg as well. When a player like Pau comes to your team, everyone else's production will go down because it is simply not needed as much. Keep in mind The Lakers are on a 10 game winning streak and nearly every game was won by double digits, meaning less minutes played.

A whole other debate is whether it is easier to put up big numbers as a #1 or 2 option with more touches, or as a #3 option with less touches. There's arguments for both sides, but I feel it's easier for a #2 option to put up numbers, but on a lesser %.

[D-Rose]

Amare plays some center. This is a lame excuse anyway. Duncan primarily plays center and has done so for years yet is always listed as a forward. Did you hear Dirk, Amare, or any other forward complain about that?


Is that the first time he has averaged 20/10 over a ten game period? Come on Laker fans. You've seen this movie every winter...

He plays some Center as you said. According to 82games, he plays 14% of PHX's minutes at that position.

Amare
19.5 PPG on 56% 7.7 RPG 1.1 APG 1.1 BPG

Bynum
17.7 PPG on 58% 9.4 RPG 1.3 APG 1.6 BPG

Also Amare takes one more shot per game so let's say with one more FGA Bynum averages one more point or so.

You don't even factor in that Bynum has a guy on his team averaging 28 PPG and also that Stoudemire plays in a faster pace therefore his scoring should be higher.

The last part of your post is absurd. I'm sure that comes fro a lack of watching the Lakers or just pure trolling. Last year Bynum had a nice stretch and the rest of his gmes were like maybe 10/3 8/8 4/9 6/11. That would be his iffy stat lines. That hasn't happened this year. The only thing preventing him from a 15/10 stat line at least every night is sharing the ball, lack of minutes, and surrounded by better rebounders in Odom and Gasol.

Oh and the poke you made about Bynum being foul prone. He averages 2.8 FPG, Amare 3.5.

[chazzy]

If you're gonna ride on last night's game so much, then others can ride on the one game they were matched up head to head this season. The 2nd game you reference, Amare was going up against Pau.. not Bynum. Bynum was defending Frye. Pau conceded the jumpshot and he was simply making them.. you can't knock on Bynum for that. And while he shutdown Dwight last night, I think everyone would rather have Bynum defending their paint than Amare.

[D-Rose]

If you're gonna ride on last night's game so much, then others can ride on the one game they were matched up head to head this season. The 2nd game you reference, Amare was going up against Pau.. not Bynum. Bynum was defending Frye. Pau conceded the jumpshot and he was simply making them.. you can't knock on Bynum for that.
I agree, one game...hmm let's go on when the two went head to head. Amare was kept to 2/15 and could do literally nothing against Bynum's length.

[ChuckOakley]

Bynum should be used to this.

As long as Yao is healthy (not this season obivously) Yao will always make the ASG despite Bynum's play and superior team performace.
Now that Amare is listed as C the same rule applies (to a lesser extent)

Bynum IS the best C is the West right now, and potentially for some time.

[JustinJDW]

Bynum really shouldn't be worried about this crap. He doesn't even deserve to start in the All-Star Game yet. He should be happy that Yao is injured and Shaq went East and that he is in it in the first place.

[LA_Showtime]

Bynum really shouldn't be worried about this crap. He doesn't even deserve to start in the All-Star Game yet. He should be happy that Yao is injured and Shaq went East and that he is in it in the first place.

do you honestly think shaq would be in the all-star game had he stayed on the west coast? :oldlol:

[Roundball_Rock]

You're a dumbass. How is it "more likely" regression to the mean when the timing of his dropoff coincides EXACTLY with the timing of Gasol's return. His per-minute stats haven't dropped off one bit. He just isn't getting the same amount of minutes on the floor. Welcome to my ignore list now your retardedness is on PB level.

:roll:

Bynum has played in 232 regular season games and 29 playoff games. It is naive to look at a 10 game sample and declare that his "true" capability. Bynum--like everyone else--always has 10-15 game stretches where he does better than usual. The difference is when Bynum does it he is hyped as the second coming of Kareem.

What does Gasol have to do with Bynum getting shut down by Brook Lopez? He has had 25, 21, and 19 point games since Gasol came back. Sure, Gasol means he has less touches but it also means defenses focus less on him. His decline in touches should be partially offset by improving shooting percentages. Instead his shooting percentage is down since Gasol came back. How do you explain that?


It's hard to stay on the floor when you're beating up a team

It is also hard to stay on the floor when you have 4 or more fouls 1/3 of the time.

Yeah, and the Suns have not been in blowouts.



Kobe
Wade
Lebron
Melo
Dirk
Bosh

Fail? I think so.


Points Per Game
1. LeBron James-CLE 30.0
2. Kobe Bryant-LAL 28.3
3. Allen Iverson-DEN 26.4
4. Carmelo Anthony-DEN 25.7
5. Amare Stoudemire-PHO 25.2
6. Kevin Martin-SAC 23.7
7. Dirk Nowitzki-DAL 23.6
8. Michael Redd-MIL 22.7
9. Richard Jefferson-NJN 22.6
10. Chris Bosh-TOR 22.3

Points Per Game
1. Allen Iverson-PHI 30.7
2. Kobe Bryant-LAL 27.6
3. LeBron James-CLE 27.2
4. Dirk Nowitzki-DAL 26.1
5. Amare Stoudemire-PHO 26.0
6. Tracy McGrady-HOU 25.7
7. Gilbert Arenas-WAS 25.5
8. Vince Carter-TOT 24.5
9. Dwyane Wade-MIA 24.1
10. Ray Allen-SEA 23.9

Facts are stubborn things.


I picked that game because they guarded each other and this is the point of this debate.

So Deron>Paul? Why did you ignore their second meeting? If you watched the first game it was obvious he was still very rusty. He missed about three tip ins and bobbled two or three passes.


When that's your only backup then it's really hard to argue that you're not a Laker hater. I've seen enough of your posts to give you that title.

Jordan fans: I love the Lakers
Laker fans: I hate the Lakers

That suggests I am in the middle when it comes to opinions on the Lakers.


He'd be putting up better numbers and we'd be here talking about how underrated he is.

Really? How many Al Jefferson or Kaman threads do you see here? Throughout this thread it has been assumed that Bynum is superior to them.


Of course Amare is the better player, but Bynum isn't nearly as popular as you think. He missed most of the last two seasons and played injured during last year's playoff run. Casual fans think nothing of him, Amare is a perennial all star and should be getting more votes than him. The issue is that Bynum SHOULD be the starting West center because he's the best west center, and Amare is a PF listed in the wrong position.

True but he does have the largest fan base in basketball behind him.

I agree Amare should be listed as a PF but this isn't the first time something like this has happened. Look at Duncan being listed as a PF for years when he mostly played C. Or look closer to home and the topic: Kaman is not even on the ballot! In the East, Noah is not on the ballot but his backup Brad Miller is. :wtf: Of course the king of ASG voting absurdity is T Mac running second in guard voting.


Are you implying Chris Kaman is better? He's putting up similar stats and but only converting 47% of his shots. And his team is in the lottery. Not to mention defense, Bynum is way more imposing than Kaman in the paint.


He may be. I think we can all agree that he should be on the ballot. It is hard to assess Bynum because of his role on the Lakers. Maybe he would be putting up Jefferson-type numbers in Minnesota or maybe he would be shut down if he were the primary focus of opposing defenses. He probably is better than Kaman but it is hard to say given his role. How often does one vie for all-star starter when he is the third-fifth best player on his own team?


set him up for everything, when in fact he's proven to have a good offensive skillset and can create for himself. He put up those numbers in the beginning of the season as the 2nd option with more defensive attention, what makes you think he can't do that? He was averaging around 20/10 before Pau came back, and Kobe was averaging 30+ ppg as well.

This arises out of another Bynum quirk. I can't think of any other player who has been in the league for four of five years and not put together an all-star caliber year yet is widely considered to deserve an all-star spot. Bynum is unproven. Everyone else in all-star contention has proven themselves. Maybe 20/10 is what Bynum can do without Gasol. Maybe he was just having a good 10 game stretch like he has done three winters in a row, though. The bottom line is his season averages for his career have never been better than 14/8 or 13/10.


Amare
19.5 PPG on 56% 7.7 RPG 1.1 APG 1.1 BPG

Bynum
17.7 PPG on 58% 9.4 RPG 1.3 APG 1.6 BPG

Also Amare takes one more shot per game so let's say with one more FGA Bynum averages one more point or so.

You don't even factor in that Bynum has a guy on his team averaging 28 PPG and also that Stoudemire plays in a faster pace therefore his scoring should be higher.

I've said their numbers are comparable today but we know Amare's are going to improve by the ASG and Bynum's probably are going to decline. 10 games does not make you an all-star. Is Brandon Jennings an all-star?

Their pace is identical. The Suns' pace is 95.5; LAL's pace is 95.0. These aren't the old D'Antoni Suns.

Yeah, Kobe takes a lot of touches from him but he also takes a ton of defensive attention from him too.


. Last year Bynum had a nice stretch and the rest of his gmes were like maybe 10/3 8/8 4/9 6/11.

Fair point. He definitely is improved but the question is how much?


If you're gonna ride on last night's game so much, then others can ride on the one game they were matched up head to head this season. The 2nd game you reference, Amare was going up against Pau.

It was Laker fans who kept claiming "Bynum dominates Amare head-to-head" based on one good game Bynum had when Amare clearly was not 100%. I couldn't care less about one game. We have to look at a total body of work for all-star games.

Regarding last night's game, my point was if Bynum wants to be an all-star he needs to get the job done on the court, not whine to the media. 12/8 when your chief rival is putting up 28/10 against the DPOY isn't going to cut it. If Bynum wants to be an all-star starter the best way is to produce those 20/10 numbers many believe he is capable of.

[Cool Guy]

Whether Bynum produces or not, he still wont make the all-star. Like someone said earlier, its all a popularity contest. Only the most popular and exciting players make it. Did the guy above me really posted all that wall of text? How does anyone not figure this out yet? Personally, it should stay that way.

Lets be real, Bynum isnt exactly exciting. I think he'll be a future all-star at some point, but not this year.

All-star status is overrated anyway. Dude should just sit in the stands come All-star weekend and enjoy the festivities. He should worry about staying healthy and winning another chip.

:pimp:

[MaxFly]

16/8 over the past ten games. He simply had a great 10 game stretch to open the year. Since then he is putting up mediocre numbers (15/7).

Where are all these people getting the idea that Bynum has played better than Amare?


There's an intrinsic problem here that you seem to have overlooked... If Bynum has only averaged 15/7 since the return of Gasol and his injury, yet he's still putting up better overall numbers than Amare, what's Amare's excuse for his season so far, and what has he done this season so far, better than Bynum, to start on the All-Star Team.

According to you, Bynum has played mediocre basketball over the last 10 game, yet his numbers are still better than Amare's. That's a problem.

[yeaaaman]

Bynum is also probably pissed because in head to head matchups Amare always gets shut down and plays like a turd vs Bynum




That is ridiculous.

12/09

Amare 18/8
Bynum 13/6

11/09

Bynum 26/15
Amare 8/5

12/08

Amare 21/11
Bynum 17/11

11/08

Amare 21/8
Bynum 10/7

12/07

Bynum 28/12
Amare 19/6

11/07

Bynum 14/13
Amare 7/1

4/07

Amare 15/16
Bynum 8/2

4/07

Amare 19/9
Bynum 7/7

3/07

Amare 17/11
Bynum 6/6

10/06

Bynum 18/9
Amare 6/1 (only played 11 minutes)

This is despite Bynum being the 3rd-5th best player on his team (in the regular season. In the playoffs he drops to about 9th best) and Amare being the leading scorer perennially on his team and hence receiving far more defensive attention than a role player like Bynum. Send Bynum to the Suns and he would be a 14/8, 13/10 type. Oh wait...

:roll:

[yeaaaman]

There's an intrinsic problem here that you seem to have overlooked... If Bynum has only averaged 15/7 since the return of Gasol and his injury, yet he's still putting up better overall numbers than Amare, what's Amare's excuse for his season so far, and what has he done this season so far, better than Bynum, to start on the All-Star Team.

According to you, Bynum has played mediocre basketball over the last 10 game, yet his numbers are still better than Amare's. That's a problem.

It's extremely simple mathematics that if Bynum continues to put up those numbers he has been for the past 10 games and Amare stays at his current numbers that Amare's will be better than Bynums by seasons end. You thinking Bynum continuing to average 15/7 for the rest of the season won't drop his averages --> that's a problem.

[Verified]

Like I said, where in the article does it say Bynum is pissed? Idiots just read the thread title and assume he was pissed.

[Kevin_Garnett_5]

He should start.

[Verified]

Amare 18/8
Bynum 13/6

Amare 9/16
Bynum 5/9

I wouldn't say he got outplayed when someone takes 7 moe shots to get 5 more points so you LOSE.


12/08

Amare 21/11
Bynum 17/11

Bynum 7-11

Amare 9-15

Amare took 4 more shots to get 4 more points. Amare 4 Tos, Bynum 2 so how did he get outplayed?


11/08

Amare 21/8
Bynum 10/7


Amare 9-21..21 shots to get 21? But I'll give you that.



4/07

Amare 15/16
Bynum 8/2

Amare went 4-16

Bynum played 19 mins a game but of course you only mention low mins for Amare.


10/06

Bynum 18/9
Amare 6/1 (only played 11 minutes)

Amare gets a pass but not Bynum.

Wow, not to toot my own horn but I just raped this guy post :oldlol:

I'm gonna counter post this everytime you post that ridiculous post of yours that you made.

So ladies and gentlemen as you see in my post, Bynum has outplayed Amare almost every single time.

[cotdt]

So ladies and gentlemen as you see in my post, Bynum has outplayed Amare almost every single time.

Wow Bynum is amazing.

[Verified]

Wow Bynum is amazing.

Sarcasm? :D

[Maniak]

cotdt, congratulations!

You have graduated from "OCD Fan" to "Maniaks Ignore List"

Thats one step below "Too Retardedly Stupid To Ignore"

Sadly, you are just such a ****ing asslicker you will never be that good.

[Roundball_Rock]

There's an intrinsic problem here that you seem to have overlooked... If Bynum has only averaged 15/7 since the return of Gasol and his injury, yet he's still putting up better overall numbers than Amare, what's Amare's excuse for his season so far, and what has he done this season so far, better than Bynum, to start on the All-Star Team.

According to you, Bynum has played mediocre basketball over the last 10 game, yet his numbers are still better than Amare's. That's a problem.

Since when is 18/9 better than 20/8?

Amare's excuse? It is obvious 90% of the people in this thread don't follow the Suns. He had a slow start to the season and has gradually improved. The guy couldn't play any basketball for 6 months due to a major injury. He has steadily improved and will continue to do so. He still isn't 100%.


It's extremely simple mathematics that if Bynum continues to put up those numbers he has been for the past 10 games and Amare stays at his current numbers that Amare's will be better than Bynums by seasons end. You thinking Bynum continuing to average 15/7 for the rest of the season won't drop his averages --> that's a problem.

The big problem with the perennial Andrew Bynum hypefests is Lakers fans cherry pick a small sample of games and declare him the second coming of Kareem based on that. He has never shown that he can average something like 18/9 over an extended period of time. They are using Gasol as an excuse and ignoring the last two seasons when the same thing happened in the winter.

You are right regarding their trajectories. Perhaps Bynum simply had a bad stretch but what Bynum has done lately is consistent with his what he has done throughout his career. It is more likely a regression to the mean than a bad stretch of games.


I wouldn't say he got outplayed when someone takes 7 moe shots to get 5 more points so you LOSE.

Oh. Shots matter? How many times has Kobe led the league in FGA? Are we to then say a more efficient SG who takes far less shots is superior to him? Ray Allen>Kobe?

Of course Amare will take more shots. He is his team's best scorer, not the #3 or #4 scorer like the "great" Bynum is on his team.

P.S. Gasol has been in LA for 1 1/2 years. Where were Bynum's big numbers before that?

[Verified]

Oh. Shots matter? How many times has Kobe led the league in FGA? Are we to then say a more efficient SG who takes far less shots is superior to him? Ray Allen>Kobe?

Obviously not when you consider Kobe is 100x the player he is without looking at stats. Can't say the same for Amare. It's not even debateble with Kobe and Ray. Look at this thread and see that other fans have stated that Bynum is better than Amare and not just Laker fans like your hating self assumes.

[chazzy]

And it's not fair to compare head to head matchups between Bynum and Amare from 2006, or 2007.. Bynum was still a role player back then and Amare was an all star. What are you trying to prove? The argument is whether Bynum is an all star NOW, it doesn't matter what Bynum did as a role player with limited minutes did against an all star two years ago. Garnett is only averaging 15ppg and 7 rebounds this year, but he's an all star regardless of his past because he's playing his role on a stacked team, just like Bynum.

If you really believe Bynum hasn't improved at all and will continue to be a career 14/10 player, then you clearly haven't seen enough of Bynum this year. It's not a fluke, he's the real deal now, watch the man play instead of reading the boxscores. You say Amare is recovering from injury, well so has Bynum the past two seasons.. he's taken his game to the next level and it's well apparent. If Trevor Ariza can average 18ppg as a 1st option, there's no doubt in my mind that Bynum can average around 18-20ppg and 10 rebounds as a first option. He's healthy, improved, and an All Star this season.



P.S. Gasol has been in LA for 1 1/2 years. Where were Bynum's big numbers before that?

Why is it so hard for you to understand that young players can IMPROVE? He's only 22, obviously he's developed his game gradually over the years. He wasn't drafted as an impact player out of HS.. why are you focusing so much on what he did in his first three seasons and not open your eyes to what he's doing NOW? Since when do a player's first three seasons define what they are for the rest of their career?

[Verified]

If Trevor Ariza can average 18ppg as a 1st option, there's no doubt in my mind that Bynum can average around 18-20ppg and 10 rebounds as a first option. He's healthy, improved, and an All Star this season.

This is a very great point. Earlier before the season started some people tried convincing others that Ariza as first option would be averaging about 8 points which obviously is not happening. First option = more opportunities = better stats. That's how it is for most cases so cut it with that extra attention sh!t. You guy act like Bynum isn't getting doubled right now?

[oh the horror]

The big problem with the perennial Andrew Bynum hypefests is Lakers fans cherry pick a small sample of games and declare him the second coming of Kareem based on that. He has never shown that he can average something like 18/9 over an extended period of time. They are using Gasol as an excuse and ignoring the last two seasons when the same thing happened in the winter.


P.S. Gasol has been in LA for 1 1/2 years. Where were Bynum's big numbers before that?





Arent you guilty of doing what you're arguing against?


For one, you clump up an entire fan base, as arguing Bynum is the second coming of Kareem as you stated...


Im pretty sure, however....probably a very TINY percentage of LA "homers" as they're called here have used that argument, while the majority just believe Bynum is capable of being what he can be...which is a solid center.

So basically you're exaggerating to make your own point, about others exaggerating to make their point.


As for the bolded part...you're also cherry picking Andrew's career in which he was in heavy development mode. So youre also arguing about cherry picking, while cherry picking?

[Roundball_Rock]

Obviously not when you consider Kobe is 100x the player he is without looking at stats. Can't say the same for Amare. It's not even debateble with Kobe and Ray. Look at this thread and see that other fans have stated that Bynum is better than Amare and not just Laker fans like your hating self assumes.

Hype. Where is the hype surrounding Brook Lopez who is arguably a better player than Bynum? LA, LA, LA. No GM would seriously prefer Bynum over Amare.


And it's not fair to compare head to head matchups between Bynum and Amare from 2006, or 2007.. Bynum was still a role player back then and Amare was an all star. What are you trying to prove?

I was disproving what a Lakers homer said. He claimed Bynum always dominates Amare.


If you really believe Bynum hasn't improved at all and will continue to be a career 14/10 player, then you clearly haven't seen enough of Bynum this year. It's not a fluke, he's the real deal now, watch the man play instead of reading the boxscores.

He has improved but I am not going to declare him an elite player based on him having 10 good games, which he does every winter. He probably is an all-star but let's see how things look like come the end of January. We've been down this road with Bynum before.


If Trevor Ariza can average 18ppg as a 1st option, there's no doubt in my mind that Bynum can average around 18-20ppg and 10 rebounds as a first option

He probably could but that doesn't make you an all-star. Toni Kukoc averaged 19 ppg as a first option and didn't even sniff the all-star team. A lot of very good players--like Ariza has done--could do that on an offensively challenged team. That doesn't make them all-stars.

The Gasol theory makes sense regarding scoring but Gasol and the defensive attention he draws should also increase Bynum's field goal percentage, which should offset some of his lost touches. Toni Kukoc scored more as the #3 option than he did as the #2 option in 98'. Luc Longley scored more as the #4 option than the #3 option. Why? Part of it was the return of Pippen's play-making ability but part of it was they simply received less defensive attention with a 20 ppg scorer like Pippen back. As a result their shooting percentages dramatically improved with him so despite less touches their scoring actually increased.


Why is it so hard for you to understand that young players can IMPROVE? He's only 22, obviously he's developed his game gradually over the years. He wasn't drafted as an impact player out of HS.. why are you focusing so much on what he did in his first three seasons and not open your eyes to what he's doing NOW? Since when do a player's first three seasons define what they are for the rest of their career?

Of course he has improved and likely will. I am not saying otherwise. What I am saying is look at his record. Every year he has a few great games and Lakers fans hype him. Then he regresses to his usual self. Will it happen this year? Probably not. Will he finish with 18/9 or even improve on that? Probably not either. He will probably finish with something like 16/8-9. Those are solid numbers but they are comparable to Kaman and inferior to Jefferson (assuming Jefferson returns to what he was in the past two seasons).


Im pretty sure, however....probably a very TINY percentage of LA "homers" as they're called here have used that argument, while the majority just believe Bynum is capable of being what he can be...which is a solid center.

Of course no one is saying he is the next Kareem but he is being hyped far beyond what he has proven to be. They are claiming he is better than a bona fide superstar based on ten good games. That isn't hype? The last time Amare was healthy he was 6th in MVP voting and second team all-NBA. Bynum has ten good games and he is better than Amare?

[tsforthrees]

he's going to make it anyways, phil will be the coach, and it will be deserving. there isn't a better center in the west besides yao. the only one who comes close imo is nene, and he doesn't have the length to change the game the way bynum has this season.

[Story Up]

A few days ago I compared their stats; Bynum had more PPG, RPG, APG, BPG, less TO and higher FG%. Yet he shares the ball with Kobe, Odom, Artest and Gasol. On Phoenix only Nash is better then the worst player in that group I've mentioned.

Hill, Channing etc. are not better then Odom or Artest; so I can't comprehend how Amare can't put up better numbers then Bynum playing on a team that relies on him a lot heavily then LA relies on Andrew. Richardson might be better then Artest/Odom (I suppose), although I would never trade these two guys for him. Barbosa is a just a scorer so I wouldn't put him above Ron Ron or The Doom.

[chazzy]

Of course he has improved and likely will. I am not saying otherwise. What I am saying is look at his record. Every year he has a few great games and Lakers fans hype him. Then he regresses to his usual self. Will it happen this year? Probably not. Will he finish with 18/9 or even improve on that? Probably not either. He will probably finish with something like 16/8-9. Those are solid numbers but they are comparable to Kaman and inferior to Jefferson (assuming Jefferson returns to what he was in the past two seasons).

The past two seasons, it was just the opposite of what you said actually. He started slow, and then got hot during the winter time.. and while he was in the middle of his peak, he suffered a freak injury. He didn't regress, he we getting better and better as the season went on, and then suffered season ending injuries two seasons in a row.

You have a point when you say he hasn't done anything over a long period of time to prove he is an all star in the past, but SO FAR this season he has. You can't just assume he's going to regress, because he did the opposite of that the past two seasons. Also, keep in mind that all stars are selected based on both their stats and team success.. and Bynum is also a better defender than both Kaman and Jefferson. So there is no other deserving West center than him this season.

[Verified]

No GM would seriously prefer Bynum over Amare.

No GM would pick a 22 year old 7 footer that has TONS of potential over a 27 year old PF that has no D at all? Find me a GM that thinks that and I'll find you a GM that should be fired. You're telling me if LA could they would trade Bynum for Amar'e?

Dude you are f*cking HILARIOUS. Keep it coming. Now you're just trolling. At least your other posts didn't make it seem like you were some lunatic hater.

[oh the horror]

Of course no one is saying he is the next Kareem but he is being hyped far beyond what he has proven to be. They are claiming he is better than a bona fide superstar based on ten good games. That isn't hype? The last time Amare was healthy he was 6th in MVP voting and second team all-NBA. Bynum has ten good games and he is better than Amare?


Im pretty much of the mindset that Bynum hasnt been on the court enough for the last few years to be compared to ANY big men. Once dude can string together a few seasons of 70+ games, I think we can all begin comparing. And even then, im being generous, because he REALLY needs to play a few full seasons. Frankly at this point, I think he has been injured a bit too much.

[LA_Showtime]

- It's hard to gauge exactly where Bynum fits in with the other centers in the NBA. He's shown flashes of brilliance but the last 2 seasons knee injuries have ended his season.

- Unless Gasol or Kobe tell the Lakers to force-feed Bynum, he's not going to get enough touches to average 20/10. His numbers have gone down because of Gasol's return, not because he's suddenly regressed.

- All-star appearances are overrated. Bynum doesn't strike me as the type of guy who will ever be really popular with the fans.

[Roundball_Rock]

You have a point when you say he hasn't done anything over a long period of time to prove he is an all star in the past, but SO FAR this season he has. You can't just assume he's going to regress, because he did the opposite of that the past two seasons. Also, keep in mind that all stars are selected based on both their stats and team success.. and Bynum is also a better defender than both Kaman and Jefferson. So there is no other deserving West center than him this season.

Sure. He may keep up a similar level of production. If he is averaging these numbers come the middle of January I will agree he should be an all-star. Right now the case for him being an all-star is essentially based on 10 games.

Team success is a factor but it shouldn't be. The ASG should reward the best players, not merely good players like Mo Williams who happens to play on a great team.

Yeah, if I had to pick a C from the West I would take him right now. However, Amare is on the ballot as a C so I would take him the same way I would take Duncan as a PF in previous years even though he actually played C.


Im pretty much of the mindset that Bynum hasnt been on the court enough for the last few years to be compared to ANY big men. Once dude can string together a few seasons of 70+ games, I think we can all begin comparing. And even then, im being generous, because he REALLY needs to play a few full seasons. Frankly at this point, I think he has been injured a bit too much.

I agree. My guess is his final averages will be 16-17/8-9. Yeah, he could score more as the #1 option but you could say the same thing about a lot of players. He is a very good player, probably an all-star but for someone to say he is better than a proven superstar like Amare is ridiculous imo.


No GM would pick a 22 year old 7 footer that has TONS of potential over a 27 year old PF that has no D at all? Find me a GM that thinks that and I'll find you a GM that should be fired. You're telling me if LA could they would trade Bynum for Amar'e?

No D? Ask Dwight about that. :oldlol:

Yeah, if you factor in age there are probably a few GM's who would prefer Bynum. If you are a team seeking to win within the next 2-3 years (i.e. Miami) who would you rather have? That was my point. Amare is a better player today. If you play the age game then Brook Lopez has more value than Yao. Does this mean Lopez is a better player?


A few days ago I compared their stats; Bynum had more PPG, RPG, APG, BPG, less TO and higher FG%. Yet he shares the ball with Kobe, Odom, Artest and Gasol. On Phoenix only Nash is better then the worst player in that group I've mentioned.

Hill, Channing etc. are not better then Odom or Artest; so I can't comprehend how Amare can't put up better numbers then Bynum playing on a team that relies on him a lot heavily then LA relies on Andrew. Richardson might be better then Artest/Odom (I suppose), although I would never trade these two guys for him. Barbosa is a just a scorer so I wouldn't put him above Ron Ron or The Doom.

Richardson is a guy who was a 22 ppg scorer before coming to Phoenix. Yet on the Suns he has to defer to Amare. That tells you how good a scorer Amare is.

Here are the numbers so people can reach their own conclusions.

Phoenix's top scorers

PPG

Amare 20
Nash 18
Richardson 17
Hill 12
Frye 12
Barbosa 12

FGA

Amare 13
Richardson 13
Nash 12
Hill 10
Frye 10
Barbosa 9

LAL's top scorers

PPG

Kobe 28
Gasol 18
Bynum 18
Artest 13
Odom 8
Farmer 7

FGA

Kobe 22
Bynum 12
Gasol 12
Artest 11
Odom 8
Fisher 7

So Bynum gets only one less shot a game than Amare. How can this be since he plays with Kobe? It is because the Suns are a more balanced team. The Suns have six double digit scorers, three guys over 17 ppg. The Lakers have a mega scorer in Kobe, Gasol and Bynum are comparable to Nash and Richardson, but they have no other double digit scorer at this point. A lot of people have a misconception that the Suns are scoring a ton this year because they are back to the D'Antoni style but they are only 4th in pace (LAL is 6th, only 0.5 slower). The reason the Suns score a lot is because they are by far the most efficient offensive team. Amare is the first option to score but the idea is to get to the open man. Most teams have a more hierarchical offense.

[Verified]

No D? Ask Dwight about that.

Amar'e did not shut down Dwight. You used one game to justify his defense. If you use that game then am I justified for using the Bynum game when he let Bynum get 26? See how silly your "argument" sounds?

[Roundball_Rock]

Watch Suns games, listen to his teammates. His D is improved this year. Is he Ben Wallace? No but he has improved. Is Bynum the only player who improves his game?

[Roundball_Rock]

We all know Bynum always has great stretches of games in winter every year, which creates a perennial Laker fan Bynum hype fest. Is Bynum the real deal this year?

Bynum: real deal or third annual flash in the pan?

Here is what the two have done over the last 10 games. Remember, we are only one-quarter through the season. Bynum does not deserve an all-star spot based on 10 good games to start the year. If you are going to hold that position you have to believe Brandon Jennings should be designated an all-star based on his great performances to kick off the year even though he has struggled since then.

Bynum: 15/7 56%
Amare 19/8 58%

Bynum is down in: minutes, scoring, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, and field goal percentage. The only areas where he has been better over the past 10 games versus the previous 11 are turnovers and free throw shooting.

Amare is up in: rebounding, steals, blocks, turnovers, field goal percentage, and free throw percentage. He has remained even in assists and steals.

Amare is still not 100%. His numbers are steadily improving while Bynum's are regressing to his usual 14/8.

As to Kaman--who isn't even on the ballot (why isn't Bynum complaining about that?)--he is averaging 19/9 for the year which is comparable to Bynum's production despite Kaman being his team's best player. Switch Kaman and Bynum and who would have better numbers? Bynum would get more touches but he would also face real defensive attention for the first time in his career.

Don't forget Al Jefferson. He is averaging 16/9 for the year but his numbers should improve by the ASG as well. He is up to 16/11 in the past 10 games. Jefferson was a 23/11 and 21/11 guy the past two seasons so it is unlikely that he will remain at 16/9 by the ASG.

By the ASG Bynum may very well have the fourth best numbers out of Amare, Jefferson, and Kaman. If he wants to earn his spot he needs to produce comparable numbers. Of course, the dilemma for him is he is a role player and if he attempts to keep pace with guys who are 25/9 and 23/11 players when they are healthy he will damage his team. The problem? His team's success is the reason why he gets so much more publicity than a Kaman or Jefferson in the first place.

Well, we now have the answer: flash in the pan.


He plays some Center as you said. According to 82games, he plays 14% of PHX's minutes at that position.

Amare
19.5 PPG on 56% 7.7 RPG 1.1 APG 1.1 BPG

Bynum
17.7 PPG on 58% 9.4 RPG 1.3 APG 1.6 BPG

Let's compare them two weeks later.

Amare
20.5 ppg (13th in the league) 56% 8.7 rpg (19th)

Bynum

15.5 ppg on 57% 8.1 rpg (with only 3 points tonight he should be down to 15.0 now)

Jefferson 17/9 49%
Kaman 20/9 50%

Last ten games

Amare 23.2/10.5 55%
Bynum 10.6/5.0 54%

Kaman 21/10 53%
Jefferson 20/11 52%


12-11-2009, 06:30 PM #1
cotdt

Bynum played like Amare for the first 3 quarters against the Jazz, that didn't turn out too well. Come on, Bynum is clearly a better player than Amare, who is not even a center.


One of many posters who said Bynum>Amare just two weeks ago. :D

[Lakers13]

Bu..bu..but he's been sick :confusedshrug:

Ill say it again Andrew should just worry about his play on the court, the accolades will follow...

[Sonics4Life]

Bynum sux now. WTF. He needs to man up.

[MK2V1GP]

Too bad there's not a zero star rating for threads. One star is too much credit.

[YAWN]

think he may have played his way out of an all star nod

[D-Rose]

Bynum right now...looks like Tarazan plays like Jane

[cotdt]

Bynum is in a slump. He will be back some day. How often does he go 1-9 FG (3 pts) and 5 fouls in 37 minutes of play?

[Roundball_Rock]

Bynum is in a slump. He will be back some day. How often does he go 1-9 FG (3 pts) and 5 fouls in 37 minutes of play?.

Back to 14/8 or 13/10? He is not what LAL fans keep hoping he will become. Tonight wasn't that much of an anomaly. He has averaged 10/5 over his past eleven games (adding tonight's 3/9).


Bynum right now...looks like Tarazan plays like Jane

Yup. And you thought I was trolling when I said Bynum's numbers were regressing toward the mean! :mad: He was 14/8 last year, 13/10 the year before. He is down to 15/8 now after being at 18/9.4 two weeks ago.

[RoseCity07]

Dumbest thing Bynum ever did was to push Kareem away from helping him. He needs to beg for him to come back and keep him on the right path. I actually hope Kareem returns to teach Bynum. No way that potential should go to waste because Bynum is being stubborn.

[dazzer87]

Bynum is in a slump. He will be back some day. How often does he go 1-9 FG (3 pts) and 5 fouls in 37 minutes of play?


hahhahahahha. wtf do all the lakers fan think this guy is a good player?:roll: :roll: :roll: "In a slump" hahahahha

[D-Rose]

Yup. And you thought I was trolling when I said Bynum's numbers were regressing toward the mean! :mad: He was 14/8 last year, 13/10 the year before. He is down to 15/8 now after being at 18/9.4 two weeks ago.
Yeah, I think he's better suited on a team as a #2 scoring option. When he doesn't have the ball to score he's just a tall guy. He's not a good rebounder. Terrible help defender. Average shot blocker. He looks slow at times.

Just not the same guy right now as earlier in the year. And some of it has to do with Gasol's return but seriously he's been getting touches and it's like when he doesn't get points he stops trying on defense too. If I had that much talent I swear... Bynum's talent + Perkins intensity = >Dwight.

I hope he picks it up...He has had some sort of a respiratory infection so ehh don't want to make excuses but he's NOT an All-star this year as of now.

[konex]

Like I said much earlier in this thread. Bynum needs to STFU. Even the Kings announcers noticed that the team was much better without him in..

[momo]

cotdt, congratulations!

You have graduated from "OCD Fan" to "Maniaks Ignore List"

Thats one step below "Too Retardedly Stupid To Ignore"

Sadly, you are just such a ****ing asslicker you will never be that good.

ROF... No half stepping man, tell it the way you see it!

~~~~

Drew needs to focus on HIS PLAY and let it do the dam talking. I forget who, but some one posted that he may have played his way OUT of an all star spot and I agree. Coaches are going to be reluctant picking a crabby guy who has let his head mess up his game IMHO.