Trevor Ariza swings elbow at DeRozan, gets ejected

[rknine15]

this guy should be suspended!! That was just uncalled for! Very unprofessional

Details: http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=5139

[DuMa]

what did he do?

[StroShow4]

tru so what happened?

Ariza was having a terrible game, 0-9 from the field, he got pissed and threw an elbow towards DeMar DeRozan's head. The elbow didn't connect, but the refs reviewed the play and decided to eject him anyways.

[T.O.RAPS]

demar poked the ball outta arizas hands at the 3 point line, ball went up in the air, demar grabbed and was starting to run when ariza threw the elbow. pure frustration as he couldnt do sh*t all game, suspension is definite imo...

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

hopefully we can get a full video posted of the incident soon.

[Fatal9]

Ariza was shooting 0-of-9 at the time he swung at DeRozan
Needs to call Kobe ASAP so he can spoonfeed him open looks. Not a pretty year for Ariza shooting wise.

[bagelred]

Ah.........Trevor Ariza.......I remember him well.........a promising young kid with tons of athleticism...still raw offensively......bright eyed.....bushy tailed.....a young bud ready to blossom........



Then Isiah Thomas traded him and Penny Hardaway for Steve Francis....



Sigh.........Good times......good times..........

[phoenix18]

Needs to call Kobe ASAP so he can spoonfeed him open looks. Not a pretty year for Ariza shooting wise.
Oh dear lord. Maybe he should Kobe as to how to bloody another player while making it look accidental.
:oldlol:

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Oh dear lord. Maybe he should Kobe as to how to bloody another player while making it look accidental.
:oldlol:

what he said :D

[LA_Showtime]

i want a ****ing video.

[LA_Showtime]

what quarter was it? im gonna watch it on nba broadboand.

[KB2009Champ]

what he said :D


:oldlol: good point but there is a difference in throwing one when fighting for the ball and throwing it when the other guy has his back to you and is moving away from you. he would have got him in the back of the head if he connected.

[ronnymac]

This is not the only game Ariza has sucked. he's had many games like this.

[phoenix18]

:oldlol: good point but there is a difference in throwing one when fighting for the ball and throwing it when the other guy has his back to you and is moving away from you. he would have got him in the back of the head if he connected.

I was just joking. Two different scenarios, I was just making fun of Fatal for bringing up Kobe. He does that a lot.

[LA_Showtime]

It's not like Ariza's regression is that surprising. He can't dribble/create his own shot. Still a hell of a role player who plays good defense on occasion though.

[RaininThrees]

what quarter was it? im gonna watch it on nba broadboand.


3rd.

[qrich]

It's not like Ariza's regression is that surprising. He can't dribble/create his own shot. Still a hell of a role player who plays good defense on occasion though.

Basically. It shouldn't come to a surprise to anyone really that Ariza can not be a legit #1 option. It would be like asking Bruce Bowen, Shane Battier or even Tayshaun Prince to be the top option.

["Jesus"]

http://www.nba.com/raptors/video/2009/12/13/RWEB091213ARIZAEJECTION16x9-1151813/index.html

Thank me later.

[LA_Showtime]

What's really amusing is that this thread would be 30 pages long if Ariza was still a Laker fan. You can't deny it, haters. LMAO:lol

[phoenix18]

What's really amusing is that this thread would be 30 pages long if Ariza was still a Laker fan. You can't deny it, haters. LMAO:lol

Are you trying to find haters or something?

[The_Yearning]

lmao at C.Bosh for running over there..Jack the toughest one in that whole team behind Hedo...C.Bosh wasn't going to do Sh!T the lead PU$$Y.

[cotdt]

lmao at C.Bosh for running over there..Jack the toughest one in that whole team behind Hedo...C.Bosh wasn't going to do Sh!T the lead PU$$Y.

Ariza would take on that whole Raptors team if the refs didn't interfere.

[RaininThrees]

Here's the play Rautins as talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWsC_XdG7NA

[OneMoreSucka]

What a dumbass.

[DukeDelonte13]

after the cavs loss to the rockets there was this article explaining why Ariza chose houston over the cavs; he wanted more touches and opportunities to showcase his game. Glad to see it's working out. :oldlol:

[shaoyut]

Ron Artest 2

[DuMa]

got frustrated and didnt really connect. dont really see need for the suspension. he already got ejected. although then again i wouldnt be surprised to see him get suspended anyway.

[plat1numX]

i heard they counted that elbow as a shot attempt, he is officially 0-10 from the field

[ronnymac]

after the cavs loss to the rockets there was this article explaining why Ariza chose houston over the cavs; he wanted more touches and opportunities to showcase his game. Glad to see it's working out. :oldlol:
We are paying this clown(Ariza) the whole MLE. yes the whole MLE to continue shooting at 33% for the year.

[ronnymac]

i heard they counted that elbow as a shot attempt, he is now officially 0-10 from the field
Thats as close as he came to hitting anything all night.

[JustinJDW]

Are you trying to find haters or something?He's just trying to make the thread Laker related. He can't imagine a discussion on ISH that doesn't involve Kobe.

Pretty stupid for Ariza to swing that elbow at him. I doesn't matter how frustrated you are, you don't ****ing do that. What if he connected with that? He is definitely going to get suspended.

[Cyclone112]

Wow, that was a ridiculous elbow. If he actually connected with that...

[bigmac(rexdale)]

Ariza Tries to Punch Demar Gets Ejected Dec 13 09 (http://raptorsplayer.com/ariza-tries-to-punch-demar-gets-ejected-dec-13-09)

[brandonislegend]

b*tch move...

[clayton]

He needs to learn Muay Thai before using elbow on anybody.

[ronnymac]

This is coming from a 16 year rockets fan, he needs to be banned for 5 games. that was malicious and it could have ended really badly.

[itsGameTime]

got frustrated and didnt really connect. dont really see need for the suspension. he already got ejected. although then again i wouldnt be surprised to see him get suspended anyway.

Here's a guy who said Ariza should be suspended for that flagrant foul on Rudy Fernandez last season. What a hypocrite. :applause:

[Xsatyr]

We are paying this clown(Ariza) the whole MLE. yes the whole MLE to continue shooting at 33% for the year.

The Rockets might make to playoffs but they will not do anything when they get there. They are letter Ariza try to create his own shots so he can be a better player when an all stars comes. It is pretty obvious.

[sergiorodriguez]

This is not the only game Ariza has sucked. he's had many games like this.
Dumbass Adelman is using a roleplayer 7th option player on the Lakers Trevor Ariza as his first option. What do you expect of a career role player who has never had the ability to create his own shot, when he's suddenly asked to shoulder the offensive scoring load on an NBA team?

[G-train]

We are paying this clown(Ariza) the whole MLE. yes the whole MLE to continue shooting at 33% for the year.

Ariza has been fantastic for Houston this season. And he shoots .392%.

[G-train]

Dumbass Adelman

Adelman is a fantastic coach.

[Xsatyr]

Adelman is a fantastic coach.

Are you serious? The Rockets have so much talent and their shedule has been the 2nd easiest. Oh wait I got that backwards...

[airchibundo507]

Ariza has been fantastic for Houston this season. And he shoots .392%.

Agreed. 17.7 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 3.5 apg, 2.2 apg, 2.6 TO is great for a player who has made the transition from being a peripheral role player to the go-to guy.

39.2% FG, 34.5% 3P FG, 67.6% is pretty bad. There is a lot of room for improvement, but he has proved that he can be a legit 2nd/3rd option scorer someday in the future.

[halffttime]

lmao at C.Bosh for running over there..Jack the toughest one in that whole team behind Hedo...C.Bosh wasn't going to do Sh!T the lead PU$$Y.
dshsaadshahahahahahaha.. the lead pu$$y, that's a good one.. put bargnani and nesterovic behind him..

[TMAC-RAPTORS]

And that's why Houston needs T-Mac. He can create for Ariza, Brooks, and Battier instead of them trying to create themselves.

[bdreason]

I'm all for physical play, but an elbow to the back of the head can kill someone. They are not even allowed in Mixed Martial Arts. Even a light strike to the back of the cranium can cause serious damage.


Definately worthy of a suspension.

[Johnni Gade]

He gets outplayed and then wants to fight. How mature.

[Abraham Lincoln]

I'm all for physical play, but an elbow to the back of the head can kill someone. They are not even allowed in Mixed Martial Arts. Even a light strike to the back of the cranium can cause serious damage.


Definately worthy of a suspension.
Indeed, there is no place for such dirty play in the game.

[halffttime]

what he did was wrong but it's obvious he regreted it right away after. he didn't step up to jack, which was a surprise. when someone gets in your face like that your instinct is to get back in their face. he just lost total composure and let his frustrations get the best outta him.. 5 games..

[Pursuer]

"I know it wasn't intentional or nothing," DeRozan said. "He was just frustrated, he wasn't hitting any shots, they were down by 20. Just in the heat of the game, it's frustration. It's definitely no problem, he's still my man."

[Quata]

Yeah, thats sad to see. That isnt Ariza at all, he is always usually a good sport and humble and everything.
Also, at people saying hes playing like ****, take away the fg% and he is putting up great numbers, considering the role he has had to step up to take. This is the guy who wanted to come off the bench for the lakers, but said hed start if it was for the good of the team. Its not like he wants to take these shots but adelman wants him to.

[Rekindled]

Yeah, thats sad to see. That isnt Ariza at all, he is always usually a good sport and humble and everything.
Also, at people saying hes playing like ****, take away the fg% and he is putting up great numbers, considering the role he has had to step up to take. This is the guy who wanted to come off the bench for the lakers, but said hed start if it was for the good of the team. Its not like he wants to take these shots but adelman wants him to.

people said the same thing when he almost killed Rudy Fernandez last year.

[sergiorodriguez]

Yeah, thats sad to see. That isnt Ariza at all, he is always usually a good sport and humble and everything.
Also, at people saying hes playing like ****, take away the fg% and he is putting up great numbers, considering the role he has had to step up to take. This is the guy who wanted to come off the bench for the lakers, but said hed start if it was for the good of the team. Its not like he wants to take these shots but adelman wants him to.
as a lakers fan ive seen my fair share of alot of really dirty trevor ariza fouls last year, but i have nothing against him for it.

[sergiorodriguez]

Adelman is a fantastic coach.
He's a great coach but Ariza as the first option is a dumbass move.

[Revelation]

I think anybody would be frustrated in his position. He is being asked to be a #1 option when he's clearly not.

38% FG, 67% FT, and 2.6 TO for every 3.5 assists. He's also playing nearly 40 minutes per game, so the fact that he's averaging 17ppg, 5rpg, and 3.5ast, means very little when you factor in his efficiency.

If McGrady is truly healthy (and willing to buy into the team chemistry) the Rockets need to bring him back ASAP.

[lilgregoden]

wow clearly intentional, if connected that would have been a vicious hit.

[chazzy]

people said the same thing when he almost killed Rudy Fernandez last year.

Oh cmon, that kind of foul happens all the time.. he was clearly swiping for the ball and accidentally hit him in the head in the process, and the fall is what made it look worse than it was.

Anyway, he should definitely be suspended for this.. no question about it.

[ashar008]

This is not Ariza at all. He is a really nice and humble kid and would never do this kind of thing as a part of his personality. You have to understand the frustration he is in. The Lakers are pretty much a lock in the NBA finals while he, a role player, is asked to be a number one option on a sub par rockets team. It kinda sucks seeing the team you helped win a championship strive while your in the ****ter. Adelman is a great coach its just that he doesnt have a choise but force ariza as number one option becase T-mac for whatever damn reason is always injured.

[Prodigy]

How the **** does a 'nice kid' like all of you are trying to say swing an elbow to the back of somebody's head? Why don't you guys line up outside my house and let me elbow you guys in the back of the head one by one. I swear I'm a nice guy and it's not in my personality to do it.

Retards.

[triangleoffense]

Ah.........Trevor Ariza.......I remember him well.........a promising young kid with tons of athleticism...still raw offensively......bright eyed.....bushy tailed.....a young bud ready to blossom........



Then Isiah Thomas traded him and Penny Hardaway for Steve Francis....



Sigh.........Good times......good times..........

that was really gay.

or had huge undertones of homosexuality (political correct version)

[GilZero]

How the **** does a 'nice kid' like all of you are trying to say swing an elbow to the back of somebody's head? Why don't you guys line up outside my house and let me elbow you guys in the back of the head one by one. I swear I'm a nice guy and it's not in my personality to do it.

Retards.
I kind of agree to be honest, frustration doesn't make you do shit like that..

[bagelred]

that was really gay.

or had huge undertones of homosexuality (political correct version)

Typically the ones who think everything is gay....is actually gay.


Hmmmm triangleoffense...interesting name.....did you know a pink triangle is a symbol that means gay pride or gay rights?

Kinda a gay name if you ask me........:eek: :lol

[ronnymac]

The Rockets might make to playoffs but they will not do anything when they get there. They are letter Ariza try to create his own shots so he can be a better player when an all stars comes. It is pretty obvious.

Give some of those shots to Landry who is also developing as well. the guy is damn money right now.

[nbastatus]

Ariza is nothing without Kobe. :sleeping

[Quata]

people said the same thing when he almost killed Rudy Fernandez last year.
That wasnt a dirty foul though, it was clear he was going for the ball, just misjudged, was a little reckless, something that happens when you play hard.
Any "dirty fouls" he may commit are a result of playing with 100% effort, this wasn't the case today, which is what makes me a little ashamed of ariza.

[ronnymac]

Lets look at Mr Ariza's Shooting Chart

12 pts 3-8 FG
25 pts 9-21 fg
33 pts 11-17 fg
15 pts 6-17 fg
15 pts 5-22 fg
9 pts 3-12 fg
17 pts 9-19 fg
9 pts 2-12 fg
19 pts 8-21 fg
18 pts 6-19 fg
16 pts 7-18 fg
19 pts 7-19 fg
12 pts 8-15 fg
17 pts 6-21 fg
17 pts 7-23 fg
16 pts 7-16 fg
18 pts 8-19 fg
7 pts 2-12 fg
26 pts 11-19 fg
13 pts 5-14 fg
1 pts 0-9 fg


Out of that chart, he has had probaly to good shooting games. in 70% of those games he puts up more shots then he makes. give some of those shoys to landry. Ariza is a roleplayer.

BTW, Adelman is a terrefic coach.

[NuggetsFan]

That would have been nasty if it connected.

[ronnymac]

That would have been nasty if it connected.
It'll be Cruel. he could have Broken Derozan's Jaw if he connected on the face. thats just weak.

[qrich]

Lets look at Mr Ariza's Shooting Chart

Out of that chart, he has had probaly to good shooting games. in 70% of those games he puts up more shots then he makes. give some of those shoys to landry. Ariza is a roleplayer.

BTW, Adelman is a terrefic coach.

Well, who on the Rockets isn't a role player with Tracy & Yao being out?

I do agree though, they are forcing Ariza to take more shots then he should, it just isn't his game.

[ronnymac]

Well, who on the Rockets isn't a role player with Tracy & Yao being out?

I do agree though, they are forcing Ariza to take more shots then he should, it just isn't his game.
Carl Landry is know much more then a role player.

[Xsatyr]

Give some of those shots to Landry who is also developing as well. the guy is damn money right now.

No one is stopping Landry from scoring, they pretty much run their offense through him when he plays.

[ronnymac]

No one is stopping Landry from scoring, they pretty much run their offense through him when he plays.
Considering when Ariza is out there with him, it's gonna be another long Ariza brick....

[sergiorodriguez]

Scola is the rocket's best offensive player, and a post presence. Vs Team USA in the olympics he scored 29 points against double teams, with ginobili hurt.


I don't know why Adelman doesn't run the offense through Luis Scola, and why Scola is a low post beast in FIBA play but in NBA it seems all he's allowed to do is shoot 15 footers. It's not like up and under moves dont work in the NBA.

[Xsatyr]

Considering when Ariza is out there with him, it's gonna be another long Ariza brick....

They are letting Ariza grow with no pressure, they are not winning anything this year. Rockets know he is not a number 1 option but he will be a better role player bc of this when they get an all star.

[Xsatyr]

Scola is the rocket's best offensive player, and a post presence. Vs Team USA in the olympics he scored 29 points against double teams, with ginobili hurt.


I don't know why Adelman doesn't run the offense through Luis Scola, and why Scola is a low post beast in FIBA play but in NBA it seems all he's allowed to do is shoot 15 footers. It's not like up and under moves dont work in the NBA.

Carl Landry says hello...

[ronnymac]

They are letting Ariza grow with no pressure, they are not winning anything this year. Rockets know he is not a number 1 option but he will be a better role player bc of this when they get an all star.
You Cant Put a Square Peg into a Round hole. thats what Trevor is. You cant make a Role Player into a Star. Atleast Carl has the Potential to be that and is far, far, far more effecient.

[Xsatyr]

You Cant Put a Square Peg into a Round hole. thats what Trevor is. You cant make a Role Player into a Star. Atleast Carl has the Potential to be that and is far, far, far more effecient.

Trevor is not taking shots away from Landry so I don't see what he has to do with anything. There is nothing wrong with giving him the oppurtunity, the Rockets are not going anywhere. It is not like Trevor gets trigger happy in the final minutes, his spreads his missed throughout the game.

[ronnymac]

Trevor is not taking shots away from Landry so I don't see what he has to do with anything. There is nothing wrong with giving him the oppurtunity, the Rockets are not going anywhere. It is not like Trevor gets trigger happy in the final minutes, his spreads his missed throughout the game.
We gotta agree to disagree on this one.

[nevetslc88]

Good thing we got rid of that violent, volatile player and got a low key guy like Artest.

:roll:

[The_Yearning]

At least 3 games...SH!T was outright obvious and intentional...

[bagelred]

At least 3 games...SH!T was outright obvious and intentional...

3 games for what? Elbowing the air?

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Originally Posted by ocho
Good thing we got rid of that violent, volatile player and got a low key guy like Artest.

:roll:

[Toni]

3 games for what? Elbowing the air?

A few centimeters closer and DeRozan would have been knocked out cold, from behind and with zero warning. 1-3 games. Unacceptable behavior.

[bagelred]

A few centimeters closer and DeRozan would have been knocked out cold, from behind and with zero warning. 1-3 games. Unacceptable behavior.

But he didn't connect.

[apesta]

after the cavs loss to the rockets there was this article explaining why Ariza chose houston over the cavs; he wanted more touches and opportunities to showcase his game. Glad to see it's working out. :oldlol:

The positive thing about his offence though is that he is playing within the offence and unlike Artest who has always iso himself and runs the clock down then chuck up a shot. Ariza will improve his game as time goes on. He just needs to adjust his new role on the team.

[chazzy]

I dunno, Zach Randolph only got two games for this..

http://allhiphopsports.blogspot.com/2009/02/zach-randolph-punches-louis-amundson.html

[gasolina]

But he didn't connect.

Yeah but he still tried. Like if someone tried you killed you but nearly missed, he can't just walk away from that.

[Dave3]

But he didn't connect.
So? Is there no punishment in society for attempted murder? Obviously not comparing the degree of the offense at all, but failed attempts at malicious acts are still punishable by steep judgments.

[bagelred]

So? Is there no punishment in society for attempted murder? Obviously not comparing the degree of the offense at all, but failed attempts at malicious acts are still punishable by steep judgments.

OK, sticking with the real life analogy....

Basically, it was attempted assault. Can you be arrested in real life for attempted assault? If you are at a bar get into an argument with a guy, and then throw a punch and miss completely......will you be arrested? :confusedshrug: Doubt it.

I'm just saying....he technically missed. Derozan didn't even know it happened.

Ariza was already punished. He was ejected from the game for not hitting Derozan.






I'm just playing devils advocate. He probably will get 1 game I'm guessing. I just think the NBA is starting to go overboard with suspensions. They are control freaks.....

[Laker4Lyfe]

I love Ariza but he was dead wrong for that.:wtf:

And he most definitely deserves to be suspended.

[bigkingsfan]

He's not going to get any more than 1 game, due to it not escalating.

[phoenix18]

A few centimeters closer and DeRozan would have been knocked out cold, from behind and with zero warning. 1-3 games. Unacceptable behavior.

Centi? Meters?

[JayGuevara]

OK, sticking with the real life analogy....

Basically, it was attempted assault. Can you be arrested in real life for attempted assault? If you are at a bar get into an argument with a guy, and then throw a punch and miss completely......will you be arrested? :confusedshrug: Doubt it.

I'm just saying....he technically missed. Derozan didn't even know it happened.

There was obvious malice in that attempted elbow. It's a matter of intent and the according evidence in this situation. Ariza attempted to strike DeRozan with that swing. Have the Knicks attempted to trade Eddy Curry?

Just because you failed doesn't mean you didn't try.

[shaoyut]

Centi? Meters?
Cm?:hammerhead:

[Dave3]

OK, sticking with the real life analogy....

Basically, it was attempted assault. Can you be arrested in real life for attempted assault? If you are at a bar get into an argument with a guy, and then throw a punch and miss completely......will you be arrested? :confusedshrug: Doubt it.

I'm just saying....he technically missed. Derozan didn't even know it happened.

Ariza was already punished. He was ejected from the game for not hitting Derozan.


I'm just playing devils advocate. He probably will get 1 game I'm guessing. I just think the NBA is starting to go overboard with suspensions. They are control freaks.....
The analogy is only to demonstrate that it's possible to get in trouble for attempted maliciousness. I don't know if in social situations there are legal repercussions for throwing a punch, but the idea is that just because something is attempted and not successful, doesn't make it immune to punishment.

[Rafael Delaget]

At least 3 games...SH!T was outright obvious and intentional...

Calm down Jackie Chiles...

[Doranku]

How the **** does a 'nice kid' like all of you are trying to say swing an elbow to the back of somebody's head? Why don't you guys line up outside my house and let me elbow you guys in the back of the head one by one. I swear I'm a nice guy and it's not in my personality to do it.

Retards.

You're right, he's obviously a terrible, malicious human being. Forget suspension, such a menace to society should be jailed. Oh, and that dude Michael Jordan, he punched his teammate out during practice. Pretty sure that means he's Satan.

Retard.

[Sanity]

[QUOTE]Trevor Ariza of the Houston Rockets has been suspended without pay for one game for swinging his elbow at the head of the Toronto Raptors

[BallsOut]

Ariza is my boy but wow, there's no room for that in basketball.

[Prodigy]

You're right, he's obviously a terrible, malicious human being. Forget suspension, such a menace to society should be jailed. Oh, and that dude Michael Jordan, he punched his teammate out during practice. Pretty sure that means he's Satan.

Retard.

Reading comprehension problems? People say that he's a super nice kid (at least 3-4 time in this thread) and such behavior is totally out of character but there is no 'super nice kid' that will throw an elbow like that out of frustration. Hard foul? Sure. But an elbow to the back of somebody's head fully winded up?

Your attempts at sarcasm do not impress anyone.