Did Iverson really carry the Sixers to the 2001 Finals?

[BigHaDaddy]

Whenever anyone mentions Iverson as one of the greats, they always mention this particular playoff run and how he led a team of nobodies to the NBA Finals. I want to give you guys some actual stats from that playoff run.

Season Games PPG FG% FT% RPG APG
2000-01 22 32.9 .389 .774 4.7 6.1

He shot 39% in 22 games. He attempted over 30 shots a game to score 33 points.

He didn't carry the team. He actually was a detriment. The Sixers won despite his atrocious shooting. He was the weakest link on defense and the weakest link on offense.

[BMOGEFan]

Whenever anyone mentions Iverson as one of the greats, they always mention this particular playoff run and how he led a team of nobodies to the NBA Finals. I want to give you guys some actual stats from that playoff run.

Season Games PPG FG% FT% RPG APG
2000-01 22 32.9 .389 .774 4.7 6.1

He shot 39% in 22 games. He attempted over 30 shots a game to score 33 points.

He didn't carry the team. He actually was a detriment. The Sixers won despite his atrocious shooting. He was the weakest link on defense and the weakest link on offense.


were u born in 2000?

eric snow, tyronne hill, mutombo, george lynch would not have taken ANYONE to the NBA finals.

['Toine=MVP]

Whenever anyone mentions Iverson as one of the greats, they always mention this particular playoff run and how he led a team of nobodies to the NBA Finals. I want to give you guys some actual stats from that playoff run.

Season Games PPG FG% FT% RPG APG
2000-01 22 32.9 .389 .774 4.7 6.1

He shot 39% in 22 games. He attempted over 30 shots a game to score 33 points.

He didn't carry the team. He actually was a detriment. The Sixers won despite his atrocious shooting. He was the weakest link on defense and the weakest link on offense.

Eh. Well, they needed whatever scoring they could get. No one would have shot any better if they were the ones forced to jack up all the crappy shots. But the East was horribly weak then, and quite a few wing players would have made that team a little better.

[BigHaDaddy]

What I'm trying to say is if you put any elite scoring guard on the 76ers, they would have made the Finals.

[BigHaDaddy]

If Ray Allen was on the 76ers at that time, they would have been a better team.

[hitmanyr2k]

The East was extremely weak...pretty much irrelevant during that time. The thing people rarely talk about is the Sixers were a good defensive team anchored by Mutombo and that carried them just as much as Iverson's scoring.

[Force]

The answer can be summed up in 2 words

"HELL YES"

That Sixers team played very good defense but was short on offensive firepower. Iverson was amazing.

Your next question should be to ask if Shaq really deserved those 3 Finals MVP :banghead: ...i gotta take a break from this forum man

[Dave3]

If Ray Allen was on the 76ers at that time, they would have been a better team.
Wasn't Ray Allen on the Milwakee Bucks, who had much better players like Glen Robinson and Sam Cassell at the time. Weren't they defeated by the Sixers who were led by Iverson?

[Brandon Roy]

Sigh. Did you even watch the games?

There's alot more to basketball than just stats.

[sipitri]

Yes, he did.

[Fatal9]

Um, people like to bash Iverson's team but the other players in the East weren't working with much either. Vince had Antonio Davis as his second best player. Allen was on the worst defensive team in the playoffs. Pacers sucked that year too. It's the one year people like to use to save his legacy and it's still unimpressive.

[dbugz]

were u born in 2000?

eric snow, tyronne hill, mutombo, george lynch would not have taken ANYONE to the NBA finals.


nuff said

[Allstar24]

Yes he "carried" the Sixers to the finals. Let's just forget the fact that he had the DPOY on his team...

[Kblaze8855]

Philly was on pace for 59 wins before Mutombo got there. Thats why Larry Brown was the coach of the ASG that made him decide to trade for Mutombo......

They were winning more with Theo Ratliff.

[bdreason]

Iverson carried the team offensively.

Mutumbo anchored the defense.



If anything, it's Mutumbo's contributions that are often overlooked.

[Fatal9]

:oldlol: at these kids not realizing how well Mckie and Mutombo played during those playoffs. It was Mckie who was scoring for the Sixers when Iverson was chucking up 30 shots and making like 10. As a Raptor fan, I was more worried about him having a good game than Iverson (and I was right, McKie killed us in game 7 while Iverson was shooting his team out of the game). Iverson probably had a better supporting cast than any team in the East. Bucks you can make an argument but I'd take the Sixers defense (with DPOY) over how bad those Bucks were defensively (worst defensive team in the playoffs). Didn't Iverson skip a game during that series and Sixers came a couple of shots away from taking down the Bucks? Want to explain to me how Sixers were winning on nights he shot 7/27, 5/27, 10/30 etc etc...was it his defense? his intangibles? :oldlol:

[KAJ=GOAT]

No, only idiots believe that and say it to hype up Iverson as something beyond special.

That team won hardware for individuals.

MVP
DPOY
6thMOY
COY.

All of that on the same team nullifies the ridiculous, "Iverson carried that team".

[Kblaze8855]

Pointing out Iverson being bad in game 7 is rewriting history as much as people acting like he won with total garbage(He did by finals teams standards though). AI had 21 points 16 assists 2 steals and a block in game 7. If anything he was praised after that game. I remember it clearly. It being said its the game he grew up in and all that. He shot like **** and still had easily the biggest impact on the game. I pretty clearly remember Larry Bird being mentioned because of how hed do other things when his shot wasnt falling.

[Story Up]

Iverson had the perfect team around him; the only team that he'd be successful on. That team allowed him to be a mass scorer because no one else could really score or want the ball. In return he had a terrific defense behind him, blue colored veterans and a terrific head coach.

[Fatal9]

Vince Carter had......Antonio Davis and Alvin Williams.
Jalen Rose had........an old Reggie Miller.
Ray Allen had........the worst defensive team in the playoffs.

Damn, how could a supporting cast of Mutombo (DPOY), McKie (SMOY), Eric Snow before he sucked, and a bunch of other tough defenders under the best coach of the conference take down such elite teams? :confusedshrug:

[Abraham Lincoln]

The East was extremely weak...
And it's not weak today? No Eastern team now besides Boston could beat them in a 7 game series.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

He single handedly took the Philadelphia 76ers to the NBA Finals offensively. His best assets were Eric Snow and Aaron McKie. There has not been a less talented team in the Finals. Now Larry Brown, the one coach who knew how to coach AI the right way, figured out how to make the Sixers a winner and constructed a team around Iverson. The both of them deserve credit, but AI's support cast defensively was damn good.

[sergiorodriguez]

ur right OP, eric snow was the real MVP of that team

[gxL]

he did carry, you can replace him with a superstar like kobe, wade, lebron, melo.. etc

[PistonsFan#21]

And it's not weak today? No Eastern team now besides Boston could beat them in a 7 game series.

Are you serious? Today's Cavs, Atlanta and Orlando all could beat the '01 sixers

[sergiorodriguez]

And it's not weak today? No Eastern team now besides Boston could beat them in a 7 game series.
That's mainly because Larry Brown though. If you gave those players on the sixers to a completely shit coach, such as Mike Brown for example, they wouldnt get out of the first round

[sergiorodriguez]

Are you serious? Today's Cavs, Atlanta and Orlando all could beat the '01 sixers
cavs and ATL can't. Orlando maybe simply because so many mismatches, but SVG always gets outcoached by elite coaches

[Abraham Lincoln]

Are you serious? Today's Cavs, Atlanta and Orlando all could beat the '01 sixers
Not likely. Let them play agressively down low & especially on the wings and I would conclude there are no more than 3 teams in the NBA now that could beat them.

[Fatal9]

Pointing out Iverson being bad in game 7 is rewriting history as much as people acting like he won with total garbage(He did by finals teams standards though).
East has been producing the "worst supporting cast to make it to the finals" type of teams all decade. So much so that it isn't exactly the accomplishment people here make it out to be. Iverson. Lebron. Reggie/Rose Pacers to a degree. Kidd's Nets circa '02. All of these garbage teams were basically swept when they encountered a real contender type team.

Congratulations to all these players. They never had a chance to win a ring but made it deep in the playoffs because they played in one of the weakest conferences in history :applause:


And it's not weak today? No Eastern team now besides Boston could beat them in a 7 game series.
what a ****ing homer :oldlol:

[guy]

As a Raptor fan, I was more worried about him having a good game than Iverson (and I was right, McKie killed us in game 7 while Iverson was shooting his team out of the game).

AI had 16 assists in that game? You're trying to say he was detriment in that game?

Aaron McKie was great, but its not like he shot that well in those playoffs. He shot 41.5%, only 2.5% higher then AI. AI commanded double teams, drew fouls, and came through with huge games when the Sixers really needed it many times (45 pts on 56% in game 2 vs. Pacers after blowing game 1, 54 pts on 54% in game 2 vs. Raptors after blowing game 1, 52 pts on 66% in game 5 vs. Raptors to avoid facing elimination going back to Toronto, 16 assists in game 7 vs. Raptors, 44 pts on 52% in game 7 vs. Bucks.)

Deke was great too, but he wasn't doing much on offense. AI was the driving offensive force for that team.

[Bigsmoke]

No, only idiots believe that and say it to hype up Iverson as something beyond special.

That team won hardware for individuals.

MVP
DPOY
6thMOY
COY.

All of that on the same team nullifies the ridiculous, "Iverson carried that team".

i was about to bring that up. All of the awards went to the Sixers and people still think Iverson single handedly went to the Finals. Theo Ratliff was having his best year yet before the injury and then they had Dikembe. The Sixers were the 4th best rebounding team in the league and held their opponents to only 90 PPG so Iverson did had a nice supporting cast

[Abraham Lincoln]

That's mainly because Larry Brown though. If you gave those players on the sixers to a completely shit coach, such as Mike Brown for example, they wouldnt get out of the first round
No denying that a head coach and his assistants are part of the team as well.

[gxL]

he did carry, you can replace him with a superstar like kobe, wade, lebron, melo.. etc

[HighFlyer23]

kobe wouldve don better

[Fatal9]

The Kobe stans can't have it both ways. If that were the case, Kobe in 2004 single-handedly costed the Lakers a 2004 Finals ring. Kobe has shot 40% or under in four out his six NBA Finals appearances (around 36 percent in his first and 38 percent in his fourth appearance). How many all-time greats have shot 40.5 percent or under once, let alone four times in the NBA Finals? n the 2004 NBA Finals, Shaq averaged 26.6 points per game with a .631 field goal percentage, while Kobe Bryant averaged 22.6 points per game with a .381 field goal percentage.

The main reason Kobe cost LA the title was that he out shot Shaq by 6 shots despite him shooting 38.1 percent :oldlol:, while Shaq was shooting 63%. In that series, Kobe’s failure to play though Shaq hurt not only the team’s stats, but his own stats, as well. Playing through Shaq more would have helped his FGP and open up more easy scoring opportunities.
What does Kobe have to do with this thread? Most people, including his fans acknowledge that Kobe shot the Lakers out of a ring (or at least a closer series).

Dude saw a chance to go after Kobe and couldn't help himself...haters have a weird compulsion like that :oldlol:

[gyu]

He single handedly took the Philadelphia 76ers to the NBA Finals offensively. His best assets were Eric Snow and Aaron McKie. There has not been a less talented team in the Finals. Now Larry Brown, the one coach who knew how to coach AI the right way, figured out how to make the Sixers a winner and constructed a team around Iverson. The both of them deserve credit, but AI's support cast defensively was damn good.
Mutombo is not one of them?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Mutombo is not one of them?

Mutumbo was more defensive oriented IMO than the other 2 listed.

[HighFlyer23]

What does Kobe have to do with this thread? :confusedshrug:

Most people, including his fans acknowledge that Kobe shot the Lakers out of a ring (or at least a closer series).

stfu n00b kobe lover

[chazzy]

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]The Kobe stans can't have it both ways. If that were the case, Kobe in 2004 single-handedly costed the Lakers a 2004 Finals ring. Kobe has shot 40% or under in four out his six NBA Finals appearances (around 36 percent in his first and 38 percent in his fourth appearance). How many all-time greats have shot 40.5 percent or under once, let alone four times in the NBA Finals? n the 2004 NBA Finals, Shaq averaged 26.6 points per game with a .631 field goal percentage, while Kobe Bryant averaged 22.6 points per game with a .381 field goal percentage.

The main reason Kobe cost LA the title was that he out shot Shaq by 6 shots despite him shooting 38.1 percent :oldlol:, while Shaq was shooting 63%. In that series, Kobe

[HighFlyer23]

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[JustinJDW]

You bet your ass he did.

[chazzy]

The difference?

The difference between what? You brought up Kobe, no one else is comparing AI to Kobe. Can't this board have any threads without Kobe being brought up? Jesus

[hitmanyr2k]

Mutumbo was more defensive oriented IMO than the other 2 listed.

Mutombo was still putting up double figures with 14 points a game....higher than Snow. Also add his 14 boards and 3+ blocks a game (not counting the countless shots he altered) and I would call that a heavy contribution. I know Iverson gets the glory with the scoring and all but people rarely recognize the defensive impect a player like Mutombo can have on a series.

[Fatal9]

15 times out of 22 games in the playoffs he shot below 40% or lower (this is absurd). He shot above 50% the same number of games he shot below 30% (4). Great job carrying that team AI :applause:

[Kblaze8855]

Vince Carter had......Antonio Davis and Alvin Williams.
Jalen Rose had........an old Reggie Miller.
Ray Allen had........the worst defensive team in the playoffs.

Damn, how could a supporting cast of Mutombo (DPOY), McKie (SMOY), Eric Snow before he sucked, and a bunch of other tough defenders under the best coach of the conference take down such elite teams?

Antionio Davis was like a 15/10 all star that year. Mutombo was better but Philly was better than Toronto before he got there. Lynch, Hill, Snow, and Mckie are the definition of role players. Which isnt a bad thing. They just were not very good. Vince didnt have a great team either. But who says he did?

Ray Allen had Cassell, Glenn Robinson, the 6th man runnerup in Tim Thomas and a pre fallen off Lindsey Hunter who was at least a solid player. Hunter was a difference maker years later in the Pistons title runs. Remove Ray and AI and the Bucks have 3 of the 4 best players in the series.

Jalen Rose had an old Reggie? all Reggie did was shoot. he was the same basic player for 15 years. he was putting up like 19 a game for a long stretch of his last season. Reggie was a 19ppg player and outplayed Jalen in the playoffs. reggie put up over 31ppg in the playoffs that season.

I hate how people downplay or terribly exaggerate things to make a point.

In here propping up Aaron Mckie for being a 6th man of the year and disregarding Tim Thomas who damn near won it as if Mckie is on another level than young Tim who was out there banging on centers, hitting threes at 41%, and scoring his ass off to be a 4th option. Acting like Eric snow is impressive but Reggie is "Old" when he put up 31ppg. And Jermaine Oneal just doesnt even exist I guess. He wasnt a star yet but he was I think the MIP since we seem to think awards=talent. **** Travis Best was about as good as Eric Snow.

Philly behind AI wasnt that special at all. Especially before Mutombo when they were actually winning more by percentage.

They have become the most overrated group of role players in history it seems. Eric snow could play D and run a play. He wasnt a fantastic passer, he was among the worst shooters ever, and as a total player probably was worse than Hunter who could also pressure the ball but could shoot and slash as well.


Aaron Mckie was just flat out not that good. He would be maybe the 4th...arguably the 6th best player on Philly...today. He was quite arguably the worst 6th man of the year ever and only won it because of the teams record. He wasnt even putting up 12ppg. He was the lowest scoring 6th man of the year since Bill Walton. He played like 13 or 14 years and his name was said maybe 2 times outside that season. People need to quit acting like he was special.

Lynch? "Eh" status.

Hill had more game than hes given credit for but he was little Charles Oakley wasnt as of 01.

These guys were not that good period. They were well coached and played hard. But they were not especially good players.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Mutombo was still putting up double figures with 14 points a game....higher than Snow. Also add his 14 boards and 3+ blocks a game (not counting the countless shots he altered) and I would call that a heavy contribution. I know Iverson gets the glory with the scoring and all but people rarely recognize the defensive impect a player like Mutombo can have on a series.

Snow was also distributing and running the offense dishing out 7 assists. Offense doesn't solely mean scoring. If you read my previous post, I said Allen Iverson pretty much carried offensively while the others carried defensively. One can argue AI's defense was terrible.

[chazzy]

:cry: :cry: Quit your b!tching. If you're too stupid to see the cheap shots, then leave the thread.

Bringing up Kobe out of NOWHERE as retaliation is just straight up trolling, the board is sick of seeing Kobe all over the place :oldlol:

Anyway, yes Iverson did carry that team. His teammates are a bit underrated, they weren't just a bunch of scrubs as a lot of people like to believe.. they were really nice pieces to have around him. But that team was nothing without him obviously. And so what if he wasn't efficient, who else would you want taking those shots instead? There weren't any other legit options

[Abraham Lincoln]

They were well coached and played hard.
And this right here is the key. Without question the scrappiest, hardest working group of players the league has seen since Riley's Knicks.

[Kblaze8855]

15 times out of 22 games in the playoffs he shot below 40% or lower. He shot above 50% the same number of games he shot below 30% (4). Great job carrying that team AI

In one of them his points and assists(assuming none of them were 3s even) combine for 53 of 88 points in a 1 point win.

In another he had 15/9/8 4 steals and a block while Mckie was 6-18, Hill shot 17%, and Jumaine, Mutombo, and Eric Snow were the ones shooting well. You think Larry Brown is gonna ask him to let Eric snow carry the offense? Start running it through Mutombo like its 1993 and he still knew how to hit a hook?

One of them vs the Bucks Mckie also shot it 20 times. Who else is supposed to get shots up? who else on that team could create a shot?

Who exactly was he supposed to defer to?

Ai I the only one who remember Larry Brown telling him to keep shooting even when he was missing because he was the offense?

Larry straight unleashed him. What is he supposed to so? Say "**** off coach...im gonna run an ISO play for Eric snow". "Forget what got us to 56 wins....its time to start feeding Hill on the block".

People get caught up too much in field goal percentages. Game has 160 shots taken but im supposed to act like a guy had a good or bad game because of 1-2 makes or misses that vastly impact shooting percentages?

For a guy on a team whos whole offense is devoted to gettiing hi mthe ball because their other scorers all live off open looks he creates?

And im supposed to care if he shoots 38% or 43% in the process of dropping 35-40 of his teams 78 points in a close win under his coaches direct instructions?

**** that.

[Allstar24]

4 out 6 Finals Kobe's averaged 40% and below

:roll:
So somehow Kobe made his way into this thread after all. It could've been a good discussion but thanks to this idiot, it will now turn into a troll thread.

[Fatal9]

...

So you would put Carter, Miller and a sh*tty defensive team with like no rebounding or size around AI (or really any star) over what he had with the Sixers? Didn't the Sixers shut down the Bucks in the one game AI missed, and came a couple of shots from beating them? Is that what "having 4 of the best 5" players on your team gets you?

What's the point that you are making here? Sixers weren't a finals team type of supporting cast but neither were the teams they faced. The East sucked, had 0 contenders and the teams were vying for a chance to get swept in the finals. None of the East teams were high on talent, and if I had to pick one cast/coach to surround a superstar guard with, it'd be the Sixers team because they allow the superstar to score and take care of everything else. It gets annoying reading words like "carry" and "garbage cast" when relative to what else was out there, AI had a perfectly capable cast needed to reach the finals (which isn't the accomplishment some here are making it out to be).

lets not act like Bucks weren't robbed in the playoff series either. no one remembers because both teams had no chance of winning. it was the East version of Lakers/Kings...but it went on for 7 games.

[chazzy]

In one of them his points and assists(assuming none of them were 3s even) combine for 53 of 88 points in a 1 point win.

In another he had 15/9/8 4 steals and a block while Mckie was 6-18, Hill shot 17%, and Jumaine, Mutombo, and Eric Snow were the ones shooting well. You think Larry Brown is gonna ask him to let Eric snow carry the offense? Start running it through Mutombo like its 1993 and he still knew how to hit a hook?

One of them vs the Bucks Mckie also shot it 20 times. Who else is supposed to get shots up? who else on that team could create a shot?

Who exactly was he supposed to defer to?

Ai I the only one who remember Larry Brown telling him to keep shooting even when he was missing because he was the offense?

Larry straight unleashed him. What is he supposed to so? Say "**** off coach...im gonna run an ISO play for Eric snow". "Forget what got us to 56 wins....its time to start feeding Hill on the block".

People get caught up too much in field goal percentages. Game has 160 shots taken but im supposed to act like a guy had a good or bad game because of 1-2 makes or misses that vastly impact shooting percentages?

For a guy on a team whos whole offense is devoted to gettiing hi mthe ball because their other scorers all live off open looks he creates?

And im supposed to care if he shoots 38% or 43% in the process of dropping 35-40 of his teams 78 points in a close win under his coaches direct instructions?

**** that.

:applause: He LED that team to the finals, people can't refute that by saying he shot poorly.. he did what was needed in order for them to win games, and if that meant taking 30 shots a game, then so be it. All that matters in the end is W. And don't even say "but he lost in the finals!!", they ran into one of the hottest playoff teams in league history and actually beat them on their home court in game one. Every other East team would've been swept

[Fatal9]

So somehow Kobe made his way into this thread after all. It could've been a good discussion but thanks to this idiot, it will now turn into a troll thread.
And he wasn't even right...Kobe shot 40% or lower only twice in the six finals. dude has had the chance of facing the #1 defense like every time when he goes to the finals (including the only two times he has gone as "the man"). Even Jordan was around 40% against #1 defenses during the 90s but most of those series were in lesser rounds so I guess it doesn't matter.

[Allstar24]

Another deluded Kobe fan who's too retarded to see the point, bringing Kobe up.
Funny since YOU are the troll that brought Kobe's name into this thread. Don't bother addressing me again, you just seem too ****ing stupid to be involved in any type of baseketball-related discussion.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Funny since YOU are the troll that brought Kobe's name into this thread. Don't bother addressing me again, you just seem too ****ing stupid to be involved in any type of baseketball-related discussion.

Idiot, why do you think I brought Kobe's name into the discussion? It's blatantly obvious this fatal 9 character is all over his man juice and some (referring to previous threads as well). You're one egg roll short of a Pu Pu Platter Kobe stan, don't talk.

[Abraham Lincoln]

:applause: He LED that team to the finals, people can't refute that by saying he shot poorly.. he did what was needed in order for them to win games, and if that meant taking 30 shots a game, then so be it. All that matters in the end is W. And don't even say "but he lost in the finals!!", they ran into one of the hottest playoff teams in league history and actually beat them on their home court in game one. Every other East team would've been swept
Plus two intense 7 game series beforehand. The Raptors/Sixers series was indeed one of the top of the decade. It had intensity, great defense from both teams, legit superstar play going back and forth, magnificent rebounding on both backboards, & of course the Hill vs. Oak matchup under the glass. It pains the man to see folk call them a weak product of a waek conference when they could have beaten almost any Eastern team since then. They damn near won both road games against the Lakers in the Finals. Had Lynch stayed healthy that postseason who knows what could have happened.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

sixers will beat the cavs tonight, bank on that!

[dynasty1978]

Idiot, why do you think I brought Kobe's name into the discussion? It's blatantly obvious this fatal 9 character is all over his man juice and some (referring to previous threads as well). You're one egg roll short of a Pu Pu Platter Kobe stan, don't talk.

calling someone a kobe stan even though you brought him up? way to screw up the thread smart guy :lol

[eliteballer]

The only reason they even made the Finals was because that was the year Zo and Grant Hill starting having their kidney and ankle issues.

[chazzy]

Idiot, why do you think I brought Kobe's name into the discussion? It's blatantly obvious this fatal 9 character is all over his man juice and some (referring to previous threads as well). You're one egg roll short of a Pu Pu Platter Kobe stan, don't talk.

If you don't agree with what someone says about the topic at hand, why don't you keep your retaliation relevant, instead of bringing up that poster's favorite player? It's completely irrelevant and it's trolling. Anyone, not just Kobe fans, would be annoyed of seeing him being brought up in yet another topic.

[Allstar24]

Idiot, why do you think I brought Kobe's name into the discussion? It's blatantly obvious this fatal 9 character is all over his man juice and some (referring to previous threads as well). You're one egg roll short of a Pu Pu Platter Kobe stan, don't talk.
Um wow...that makes a lot of sense :oldlol: Nice try but take a break from the trolling. While you're at it, learn how to form a coherent sentence. I had trouble figuring out what the **** you were saying in the last post. The more you talk, the more you're exposing yourself as a dumbass.

Thank you ISH for the "Ignore list" function.

[Kblaze8855]

Carter and Miller? I feel like I either read that wrong or you had a typo.

And what is almost winning? **** teams can beat good ones. The 96 Bulls lost to the Raptors. It happens. And we arent even talking about winning. We are talking about a 6 point loss. A loss in which Snow was 1-11 with 6 turnovers, Mckie was 6-18 with 4 turnovers, Jones was 6-15, and Hill was 1-6. They shot under 36%. What are we saying was accomplished there? Cant blame the shooting on AI in that one.

And you can be annoyed by words like carry. Doesnt mean they arent accurate. And they were a garbage cast relative to what they did. flat out terrible. Epic even.

You dont have to like hearing it. But when you make the finals you are judged by those standards. And by them...AI led a truly terrible team.

He was on a 59 win pace at the AS break with a team whos second best player was Theo ****ing Ratliff.

Be real......Theo Ratliff?

Theres a reason they let Ai take all the shots. Nobody else was the leastb it good at it. They didnt just decie "We have a lot of good players but we wont use them". They had a garbage offensive team that leaned on AI to an extent ive rarely if ever seen a team do.

They played AI ball because they had to. He had maybe the greatest offensive load to carry ive seen. Really...who can say...ever...that their #2 offensive player was as bad as Eric Snow or Aaron Mckie? And I mean on any level of team.

Who can say that?

AI deserves every drop of credit he gets for that team. With all the people like you always ready to say "But ____ did ___!" its hard to say those nobodies dont get their due.

[Brandon Roy]

Just because other players (such as Kobe or Vince) could have been just as effective as AI doesn't mean that AI didn't carry his team. If you watched the games, you would've seen that there were times when the Sixers desperately needed baskets or someone to playmake, and AI more than came through.

The fact that AI carried his team doesn't mean that his team sucked, either. The team consisted of many great role players who played excellent and scrappy defense. AI's role was to score and to spark any type of offense.

Just because a star player carries a team doesn't automatically mean that his team is horrible. It just means that that's what was needed at the time. It also means that being a potent scorer is the star player's role. Basketball is a team game, and that was AI's purpose on that team.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Um wow...that makes a lot of sense :oldlol: Nice try but take a break from the trolling. While you're at it, learn how to form a coherent sentence. I had trouble figuring out what the **** you were saying in the last post. The more you talk, the more you're exposing yourself as a dumbass.

Thank you ISH for the "Ignore list" function.

:oldlol: at this idiot. I'm sorry your comprehension skills are that of a 6th grader. Yes, put me on ignore, the more you quote my posts, the more I find you to be on Kobe's scrotum, dumbass.

[NuggetsFan]

Iverson led that team regardless how he shot. I do agree sometimes people make that 76ers team look worse then it actually was but for a team that made that finals they were pretty brutal.

[phoenix18]

Iverson led that team regardless how he shot. I do agree sometimes people make that 76ers team look worse then it actually was but for a team that made that finals they were pretty brutal.
/thread.
:oldlol: @ Fatal9. You are such a *****ng idiot. You keep saying "the east was weak, the east was weak". Did you not realize that LA was PERFECT, until Philly beat them? They rolled through the West and got beat by a team from the "weak" Eastern Conference. Yeah, STFU.

[HylianNightmare]

i don't think you were old enough to actualllly watch this team play, plain and simple he did carry them if you don't belive go watch footage of the games

[The_Yearning]

Iverson carried the sixers every year he was there...

[Fatal9]

Carter and Miller? I feel like I either read that wrong or you had a typo.
* meant would you take Carter's supporting cast and what Rose had over AI's team? I wouldn't. Lets not underrate McKie, dude was the key to Sixers winning, any legit Sixer fans will back me on this (though they may not agree with the AI stuff). Think he averaged 18 ppg on near 50% (too lazy to plug in percentages) for the first 14 games of the playoffs. I remember because he killed my team. I'd welcome that type of production from my second best offensive player knowing the rest of my team contains the DPOY, tough defenders (who shut down players when it mattered...except Shaq of course) and a veteran PG like Snow (who wasn't always as bad as people remember him on the Cavs). As for the Bucks, good luck surrounding your superstar SG (especially high volume, low efficiency one like AI) with a sh*tty defensive team and no rebounding or size. That'll be sure to get the job done in the playoffs :rolleyes:.

Point is relative to what else was out there in the East, AI didn't have a cast that was significantly worse or better than what the other superstars had (I think you've implied you'd take what Carter had over what AI had...which is a joke). This is why people need to stop pointing out how bad his teammates were, it completely ignores context, especially when the bad teammates card is used to (falsely) embellish AI's accomplishments that year.

Don't know what this Sixers with Ratliff on pace for more wins than Sixers with Mutombo is suppose to tell me. Weren't Hakeem's Rockets on pace to win more games without Drexler? Mid-season trades are like that, there's gotta be an adjustment period early on.

[phoenix18]

I'm sure you saw his agenda a mile away.
As soon I saw the thread was more than three pages, I said,"I know fatal ignorance X9 posted in here."

[G-train]

Iverson's scoring was a big part of that teams success in '01 - but the biggest reason was a team defence anchored by Mutombo in the middle and Eric Snow and Mckie on the perimeter.

[Fatal9]

As for Sixers winning game 1, I'll quote kblaze on this:

The 96 Bulls lost to the Raptors. It happens.

you're right, the fact that the best East team could manage to win one game (in OT) during a 7 game series means that the East wasn't weak :oldlol:

[phoenix18]

As for Sixers winning game 1, I'll quote kblaze on this:


you're right, the fact that the best East team could manage to win one game (in OT) during a 7 game series means that the East wasn't weak :oldlol:

You are comparing losing a regular season game to losing game one of the finals at home?


Please, just leave the thread.

[NuggetsFan]

Without Iverson's scoring that teams going nowhere. And without the defense Iverson isn't make the finals. In the end it was clear that it was Iversons team and he led them :confusedshrug:. Both parties needed eachother like most successful teams. Every other number 1 option on a successful team gets there credit so why shouldn't Iverson get his?

[G-train]

I think we all really know that the 76ers just caught the Lakers off guard in that first game with their aggressive and scrappy game style. It really should have been a sweep based on talent and record.
But props to them, a win is a win.

[magnax1]

AI regular season
31ppg
4 rpg
4.5 apg
2.5 spg
42% fg
AI Playoffs
33 ppg
4.7 rpg
6 apg
2.4 spg
39% fg
AI finals
36 ppg
4 apg
2 spg
5.6 rpg
41% fg
That stats show it all. He stepped up his game every at ever level, and carried his team on offense all year long.

[madmax]

It wasn't Iverson chucking, which brought that Sixers team to the finals, but relentless team defense and role players which knew their role in the team...Iverson carried them offensively, shooting atrocious FG% though, and their stellar defense helped them to overcome other East teams, which were equally bad or even worse that year.

[Abraham Lincoln]

you're right, the fact that the best East team could manage to win one game (in OT) during a 7 game series means that the East wasn't weak :oldlol:
There is only one Eastern team since 2001 that could decisively defeat the Sixers in a physical, scrappy 7 game series.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0529/espndb_2008nbachamp_576.jpg

[BALLin01]

Without Iverson's scoring that teams going nowhere. And without the defense Iverson isn't make the finals. In the end it was clear that it was Iversons team and he led them :confusedshrug:. Both parties needed eachother like most successful teams. Every other number 1 option on a successful team gets there credit so why shouldn't Iverson get his?

This is the correct answer. Without the D than no finals, without Iverson's offense, no finals. Simple as that.

[madmax]

Today's Celtics, Cavs, Magic are all better teams than those 2001 Sixers:hammerhead: Stop kidding yourselves already...

[KAJ=GOAT]

Without Iverson's scoring that teams going nowhere. And without the defense Iverson isn't make the finals. In the end it was clear that it was Iversons team and he led them :confusedshrug:. Both parties needed eachother like most successful teams. Every other number 1 option on a successful team gets there credit so why shouldn't Iverson get his?


Its not the he doesn't get credit for leading his team to the finals,


he just didn't "carry" them in the manner people want you to believe.

He just simply wasn't the beginning and end for that team and your post explains it.


Carrying a team imo, is dragging a team of hacks with you, to success.

When a team has the MVP, DPOY, 6thMOY and COY,

its hard to say that was a team of scrubs.

Its even harder to say one person carried that team as well.

[Kblaze8855]

I would rather have carters team pre Mutombo but not once he was there. Mutombo was still an all time great defender in 01. But its hard for me to say hes the reason they did this or that because as I said...they were on a 59 win pace before him.

And im gonna say all I need to about Aaron Mckie with this...

His career year wouldnt be one of Larry Hughes top 6. And I would only want Larry Huighes on my team in like 2 seasons. Guy is not a particulary good player, never was, and in 13 seasons his name was probably spoken out loud by a fan who didnt support the team he was on in 2 of them.

We are talking about AI for being a bad field goal percentage guy and Mckie averaged less than half the PPG on under 42% shooting himself. He wasnt as good as Vinny Delnegro. He wasnt BJ Armstrong good. He wasnt as good as Kerry Kittles...post injury and couldnt get a glass of gatorade for pre injury Kerry.

This dude was Vashon Lenard in Miami. A slightly poor mans Morris Peterson. And I have no interest in discussing him more because he happened to win a 6th man of the year award while being the worst player ever to do so. tim Thomas out there dropping 40 off the bench that very season with 8 threes in a half still athletic and making plays and Mckie wins 6th man because he was on Philly. He didnt win it for playing better.

Im suprised you dont have more to say about Hill. He at least id want on my team for more than 2 years of his career.

And you speak of ignoring context when talking about him team and ignore that people say its awful....for a finals team.

If they went out in the first round you wouldnt even hear about how good or bad they are. But they made the finals with Aaron "Poor mans Bobby Phills" Mckie the second option. That is the context they are placed in.

You hear about them being awful because of what they did. For a 38 win team..no. They arent that awful. Still not good. but not awful.

Oh and at a glance...I can see 4 teams right now you could ague have a worse #2 option than Aaron Mckie. And 2 of them have injured franchise players.

[hitmanyr2k]

lets not act like Bucks weren't robbed in the playoff series either. no one remembers because both teams had no chance of winning. it was the East version of Lakers/Kings...but it went on for 7 games.

What are the odds? Bill Simmons mentioned this series in his article today...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4746227


10. If crooked NBA playoff series were heavyweight boxers, then the 2002 Western finals (Lakers-Kings) was George Foreman and the 2001 Eastern finals (Bucks-Sixers) was Earnie Shavers. Translation: People remember only George, but Earnie was almost as memorable. To briefly recap, Philly's wins in Games 1 and 4 swung on a controversial lane violation and two egregious no-calls. The Sixers finished with advantages of 186-120 in free throws, 12-3 in technicals and 5-0 in flagrant fouls. Glenn Robinson, one of Milwaukee's top-two scorers, didn't even attempt a free throw until Game 5. Bucks coach George Karl and star Ray Allen were fined a combined $85,000 after the series for claiming the NBA rigged it. In that game, Milwaukee's best big man, Scott Williams, was charged with a flagrant foul but not thrown out, only to be suspended, improbably, for Game 7.

The defining game: When Philly stole a must-win Game 4 in Milwaukee despite an atrocious performance from Iverson (10-for-32 shooting), helped by a 2-to-1 free-throw advantage and a host of late calls. How one-sided was it? When an official called a harmless touch foul to send Sam Cassell to the line with two seconds left and the Bucks trailing by seven (maybe the all-time we-need-to-pad-the-free-throw-stats-so-they-don't-seem-so-lopsided-afterward call), the subsequent sarcastic standing ovation nearly morphed into the first-ever sarcastic riot. And this was Milwaukee, the most easygoing city in the country! Nobody remembers this. The real loser was Allen, who exploded for 190 points in the series, including a record nine threepointers in do-or-die Game 6. Nobody remembers this, either. Even I didn't remember it. Crap.

[Abraham Lincoln]

Today's Celtics, Cavs, Magic are all better teams than those 2001 Sixers:hammerhead: Stop kidding yourselves already...
Yet only the Celtics would defeat them in a physical playoff series. Effort & hustle does indeed count for something.

[G-train]

There is only one Eastern team since 2001 that could decisively defeat the Sixers in a physical, scrappy 7 game series.



The Championship Heat and Pistons teams say hi.

[Abraham Lincoln]

Detroit could. Not as decisive as Boston, but both being LB coached teams one cannot underestimate the defensive freedom Mutombo would have protecting the rim while not worrying as much about the offensively limited Ben. Miami not in my opinion. Perhaps a healthy '05 Heat with the 2006 version of Wade.

[hitmanyr2k]

Detroit could. Not as decisive as Boston, but both being LB coached teams one cannot underestimate the defensive freedom Mutombo would have protecting the rim while not worrying as much about the offensively limited Ben. Miami not in my opinion. Perhaps a healthy '05 Heat with the 2006 version of Wade.

The 2006 Heat most likely murder the 2001 Sixers. Not just because of Wade neutralizing Iverson but also because that Heat team had a defensive identity as well with Payton, Posey and especially Alonzo Mourning who I don't think got enough credit for his defense. It seemed everytime Mourning came in the game the rim suddenly had a lid on it.

[Abraham Lincoln]

McKie & Snow would also give Wade some difficulty as well as Mutombo under the rim. Hill would dominate the glass as well and Lynch against '06 Walker goes without saying. Shaq would still have a strong impact, but at that point was not close to the player he was in 2001. Remember the Sixers were playing with injuries that most other players today would have shut down for the season. I have not seen a team with as much fire, pride, grit, and toughness as the Sixers. Not since Riley's Knicks. That along with tiring the defenders on Allen running them through a number of staggered screens would be a significant difference. I think there is more to this than the two rosters' man to man projected matchups in the half court.

[BlackMamba24]

the sixers wouldve won the finals if it wasnt for the canswer shooting 38%

[madmax]

Yet only the Celtics would defeat them in a physical playoff series. Effort & hustle does indeed count for something.

you sound like current Cavs, Celts and Magic are incapable of stellar defensive effort:roll: They would adjust to what refs would allow them and their talent alone would be enough to beat those scrappy Sixers...don't get me wrong, I loved watching that feisty Sixers team, but in no way they are beating those three aforementioned today's squads.

[Abraham Lincoln]

Not like that team. Especially on the offensive glass with Iverson's penetration drawing the defensive attention. Those guys viewed his missed shots as indirect passes. Mutombo even at his age would neutralize Howard without the requirement of constant double teaming therefore affecting Orlando's spot up 3 point shooters. Cavaliers are a poor offensive group that would likely be forced into many turnovers with the Sixers full court traps. May force LeBron to use more energy forcing the ball up the court more often than he would like.

[Shih508]

Today's Celtics, Cavs, Magic are all better teams than those 2001 Sixers:hammerhead: Stop kidding yourselves already...


Celtics maybe... but Cavs and Magic are no fuking way better than 2001 Sixers, they couldn't even beated weaker Lakers last year let alone the 2001 Lakers

[Shih508]

The 2006 Heat most likely murder the 2001 Sixers. Not just because of Wade neutralizing Iverson but also because that Heat team had a defensive identity as well with Payton, Posey and especially Alonzo Mourning who I don't think got enough credit for his defense. It seemed everytime Mourning came in the game the rim suddenly had a lid on it.

lol neutralized 2006 iverson or 2001 iverson? on 2001 rule or 2006 rule lol......... scoring in 2006 was way easier comparing to in 2001

I'm hearing DDDDDD-whisle

[Kobe4life]

iverson carried the sixers, maybe some of u idiots think aaron mckie did

[chains5000]

the sixers wouldve won the finals if it wasnt for the canswer shooting 38%
http://www.ultimatenba.com/galerias/ShaquilleONeal/ShaquilleONeal006.jpg

[raptorfan_dr07]

As a Raptor fan

You are not a Raptors fan. You are never in any Raptor game threads, never post in the Raptors team forum, and never make any comments on this board that has anything to do with the Raptors. Judging by your history on this forum, you were probably a Vince Carter ******ger who jumped ship once he left Toronto. You are a Kobe c*m g*zzler who has little to no knowledge of basketball besides the overrating of Kobe BS you spew on a daily basis. Please leave this thread thank you.

To the question at hand, yes, AI did carry this team through the playoffs and into the Finals. Like KBlaze mentioned, the 2001 Sixers are very awful for being a Finals team. The Bucks were much more talented that year yet AI willed Philly past them in 7 and into the Finals. Aside from Mutombo's occasional sweeping hook shot he used to do, there was nobody on that team capable of creating their own shot on a consistent basis. AI was the only real offensive threat. With that said, I really admired the way that team played. They gave us one hell of a series in the ECSF and it was awesome watching VC and AI in their primes try to outduel each other, dropping 50 point games like it was nothing. They were a tough as nails bunch who didn't know the meaning of the word quit. Their toughness and scrappiness helped make up for their overall lack of talent. After they beat us in Game 7 of the semifinals, I was really rooting for that team to go all the way and although they had everything stacked against them against LA, I was still hoping they could miraculously pull off the upset.

[poido123]

You are not a Raptors fan. You are never in any Raptor game threads, never post in the Raptors team forum, and never make any comments on this board that has anything to do with the Raptors. Judging by your history on this forum, you were probably a Vince Carter ******ger who jumped ship once he left Toronto. You are a Kobe c*m g*zzler who has little to no knowledge of basketball besides the overrating of Kobe BS you spew on a daily basis. Please leave this thread thank you.

To the question at hand, yes, AI did carry this team through the playoffs and into the Finals. Like KBlaze mentioned, the 2001 Sixers are very awful for being a Finals team. The Bucks were much more talented that year yet AI willed Philly past them in 7 and into the Finals. Aside from Mutombo's occasional sweeping hook shot he used to do, there was nobody on that team capable of creating their own shot on a consistent basis. AI was the only real offensive threat. With that said, I really admired the way that team played. They gave us one hell of a series in the ECSF and it was awesome watching VC and AI in their primes try to outduel each other, dropping 50 point games like it was nothing. They were a tough as nails bunch who didn't know the meaning of the word quit. Their toughness and scrappiness helped make up for their overall lack of talent. After they beat us in Game 7 of the semifinals, I was really rooting for that team to go all the way and although they had everything stacked against them against LA, I was still hoping they could miraculously pull off the upset.

You haven't worked out that Fatal 9 is a little boy playing with his tonka trucks at home? :no:

This douche is NOT a Raptors fan, he is a Lakers fan and Jordan hater, that's who is and always will be...He also claimed that he was a Bulls fan a while back, but as soon as a kobe jordan comparison thread started up, he got exposed in a bad way :applause:

[plowking]

And it's not weak today? No Eastern team now besides Boston could beat them in a 7 game series.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Funniest post I have ever read. Leave the board you absolute homer. GTFO. Honestly. All you do is spout **** about how great Sixers players were. GTFO.

Boston, Magic, Cavs would sweep them, or maybe drop a game. Atlanta would beat them, and even a sh!tty Miami team would give them a run.

East is miles ahead of what it was back then.

[Doranku]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Funniest post I have ever read. Leave the board you absolute homer. GTFO. Honestly. All you do is spout **** about how great Sixers players were. GTFO.

Boston, Magic, Cavs would sweep them, or maybe drop a game. Atlanta would beat them, and even a sh!tty Miami team would give them a run.

East is miles ahead of what it was back then.

It's all part of the Abe gimmick. That's why he's always so keen to defend older players as well. His whole account is just an elaborate troll, which is really sad.

[Abraham Lincoln]

Like KBlaze mentioned, the 2001 Sixers are very awful for being a Finals team. The Bucks were much more talented that year yet AI willed Philly past them in 7 and into the Finals. Aside from Mutombo's occasional sweeping hook shot he used to do, there was nobody on that team capable of creating their own shot on a consistent basis. AI was the only real offensive threat. With that said, I really admired the way that team played. They gave us one hell of a series in the ECSF and it was awesome watching VC and AI in their primes try to outduel each other, dropping 50 point games like it was nothing. They were a tough as nails bunch who didn't know the meaning of the word quit. Their toughness and scrappiness helped make up for their overall lack of talent. After they beat us in Game 7 of the semifinals, I was really rooting for that team to go all the way and although they had everything stacked against them against LA, I was still hoping they could miraculously pull off the upset.
Awful as far as talented 1 on 1 shot creators & offensive playmakers then yes. But they had several defensive superstars. Not forget Raja Bell giving them a big lift off the bench against the Bucks in Game 7. Bucks were an offensively talented jumpshooting team with Ervin Johnson at center.

[Abraham Lincoln]

The Championship Heat and Pistons teams say hi.
...

Besides Detroit & Boston, I would also add the 04 & 05 Pacer teams I completely neglected earlier.

[RaceBannana]

well, he carried their offense...

[jmill]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Funniest post I have ever read. Leave the board you absolute homer. GTFO. Honestly. All you do is spout **** about how great Sixers players were. GTFO.

Boston, Magic, Cavs would sweep them, or maybe drop a game. Atlanta would beat them, and even a sh!tty Miami team would give them a run.

East is miles ahead of what it was back then.

Wilt Chamberlain is the greatest athlete in the history of ever. There will never, under any circumstances, be anyone as good as him. At anything. Whatever it is, he could do it better.

NOW GET OFF MY LAWN

[PistonsFan#21]

Not likely. Let them play agressively down low & especially on the wings and I would conclude there are no more than 3 teams in the NBA now that could beat them.

So how would you explain that the sucky raptors took them to 7 games and were a Vince Carter shot away from winning the series? Are you also gonna say that the '01 Raptors would be a #2 seed in today's league? Come on now stop being such a homer. The Cavaliers would stomp on that sixers team without problem. Same for Atlanta, same for Denver, same for Orlando, same for the Spurs and same for the Celtics and Lakers.

[momo]

Whenever anyone mentions Iverson as one of the greats, they always mention this particular playoff run and how he led a team of nobodies to the NBA Finals. I want to give you guys some actual stats from that playoff run.

Season Games PPG FG% FT% RPG APG
2000-01 22 32.9 .389 .774 4.7 6.1

He shot 39% in 22 games. He attempted over 30 shots a game to score 33 points.

He didn't carry the team. He actually was a detriment. The Sixers won despite his atrocious shooting. He was the weakest link on defense and the weakest link on offense.


What other account names do you have?

[markymark]

So how would you explain that the sucky raptors took them to 7 games and were a Vince Carter shot away from winning the series? Are you also gonna say that the '01 Raptors would be a #2 seed in today's league? Come on now stop being such a homer. The Cavaliers would stomp on that sixers team without problem. Same for Atlanta, same for Denver, same for Orlando, same for the Spurs and same for the Celtics and Lakers.

VC, Antonio D, Alvin Williams, Mo Pete, Oakley, Junkyard Dog, etc. is not sucky.

[Abraham Lincoln]

So how would you explain that the sucky raptors took them to 7 games and were a Vince Carter shot away from winning the series? Are you also gonna say that the '01 Raptors would be a #2 seed in today's league? Come on now stop being such a homer. The Cavaliers would stomp on that sixers team without problem. Same for Atlanta, same for Denver, same for Orlando, same for the Spurs and same for the Celtics and Lakers.I would appreciate a legit argument from all without relying on out context conference seedings and the false perception of talent and how each team uses their respective players. Under those '01 league rules Boston when healthy is the only hands down East team since 2001 that I see beating the Sixers a good 8 to 9 out of 10 times. '04 Detroit and Indy a 7 to 3 or 6 to 4 edge. The '01 Raptors were very good on the boards and hard working on defense with perimeter quickness as well as interior toughness & good rotations. The way they call charges now imagine how many players Oak would put in foul trouble soley with his outstanding defensive rotations, even at 37. Not sure why you have included Western teams as well, but to poke fun I would have included today's Lakers as well if not for their intelligence, talent, coaching, & Odom (versatility). My doubts are that strong on how effective their bigs would be on the boards with the relentless Sixer bigs. And just look at the hype a guy like Shannon Brown gets now. He is not even at the level Eric Snow was at that year overall, no disrespect to him.

[Nash-tastic]

Yes he did, what is with all the Iverson hate?

[Disaprine]

Whenever anyone mentions Iverson as one of the greats, they always mention this particular playoff run and how he led a team of nobodies to the NBA Finals. I want to give you guys some actual stats from that playoff run.

Season Games PPG FG% FT% RPG APG
2000-01 22 32.9 .389 .774 4.7 6.1

He shot 39% in 22 games. He attempted over 30 shots a game to score 33 points.

He didn't carry the team. He actually was a detriment. The Sixers won despite his atrocious shooting. He was the weakest link on defense and the weakest link on offense.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/48621/1030597-1289258360068498141_super.jpg

[PistonsFan#21]

I would appreciate a legit argument from all without relying on out context conference seedings and the false perception of talent and how each team uses their respective players. Under those '01 league rules Boston when healthy is the only hands down East team since 2001 that I see beating the Sixers a good 8 to 9 out of 10 times. '04 Detroit and Indy a 7 to 3 or 6 to 4 edge. The '01 Raptors were very good on the boards and hard working on defense with perimeter quickness as well as interior toughness & good rotations. The way they call charges now imagine how many players Oak would put in foul trouble soley with his outstanding defensive rotations, even at 37. Not sure why you have included Western teams as well, but to poke fun I would have included today's Lakers as well if not for their intelligence, talent, coaching, & Odom (versatility). My doubts are that strong on how effective their bigs would be on the boards with the relentless Sixer bigs. And just look at the hype a guy like Shannon Brown gets now. He is not even at the level Eric Snow was at that year overall, no disrespect to him.

I included Western teams because you said that you could only name 3 teams in the NBA that could beat the '01 sixers. The way they call charge now wont only help the sixers but also today's teams. It would help Varejao just as much as Oakley. If you are serious with yourself you would know that sixers wont be able to stop the Cavs, Atlanta, etc. If '07 Pistons team with Tayshaun Prince, Billups, and both Wallace's couldnt stop Lebron then how will the '01 sixers do it?

[phoenix18]

I included Western teams because you said that you could only name 3 teams in the NBA that could beat the '01 sixers. The way they call charge now wont only help the sixers but also today's teams. It would help Varejao just as much as Oakley. If you are serious with yourself you would know that sixers wont be able to stop the Cavs, Atlanta, etc. If '07 Pistons team with Tayshaun Prince, Billups, and both Wallace's couldnt stop Lebron then how will the '01 sixers do it?

Atlanta? :oldlol:

Stop trolling already.

[PistonsFan#21]

Atlanta? :oldlol:

Stop trolling already.

What makes the '01 sixers better than Atlanta? I know that Atlanta beat the Miami Heat and took the world champions Boston Celtics to 7 games while the sixers struggled to beat the Raptors and the Milwaukee Bucks. Bibby, Josh Smith, Horford, Pachulia, Joe Johnson >>> Iverson, Snow, McKie, Mutombo, Theo Ratliff

[madmax]

I included Western teams because you said that you could only name 3 teams in the NBA that could beat the '01 sixers. The way they call charge now wont only help the sixers but also today's teams. It would help Varejao just as much as Oakley. If you are serious with yourself you would know that sixers wont be able to stop the Cavs, Atlanta, etc. If '07 Pistons team with Tayshaun Prince, Billups, and both Wallace's couldnt stop Lebron then how will the '01 sixers do it?

so true:roll: There's absolutely no way these 01' Sixers can beat today's Cavs, Magic or Celts from the East - too much firepower and talent to handle for them. Lebron would singlehandedly dismantle their defense and Magic with Celts have too many talent for them to cope with.

[guy]

For all the people that say the 01 Sixers only got that far for how weak the year was, I'll say this: The 2001 Sixers probably win a title in other years of this decade. 2006 comes to mind, and maybe 2002, 2003, or 2007. Flame on. I'm not saying that the East in 2001 wasn't weak, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have replicated their success or better in other years of this decade. If we're going to completely disregard them for that, we should disregard many teams of the decade.

[Abraham Lincoln]

If you are serious with yourself you would know that sixers wont be able to stop the Cavs, Atlanta, etc. If '07 Pistons team with Tayshaun Prince, Billups, and both Wallace's couldnt stop Lebron then how will the '01 sixers do it? '07 Pistons had ancient C-Webb, not Ben. If you are referring to his game 5, nearly all of his points came in an iso with no semblance of physical pressure from the defender or even a basic hard double team. Sixers probably start Lynch on him most of the minutes and rotate between McKie & Snow. Basically play him tight enough to contest the shot, but also not to allow the drive as easily with occassional hand and body checks. The key will be if he can hit the short range pull-up shot or exploit Mutombo in pick/roll with Z. Like Shaq, Mutombo at that point was more comfortable staying down defending the front of the rim. But believe it or not even he could hedge a P/R every now & then and even trap with the ballhandler's man. Not everyone can split the trap like Wade or Manu, especially a hard physical one. Not to mention the Sixers had magnificent help defenders and I question the offensive awareness of the average player today without the ball. Most would rather run a set play to completion, often times ignoring any possible gimme scores. Rarely have I seen such intelligence and court awareness from any player nowadays besides the star.

[GOBB]

I dont think many of you were even at an age to understand the game of basketball when the 00-01 season (incl postseason) took place. Thats roughly 8-9yrs ago. Thats why so many focus on just stats especially 1 like FG%. Your understanding of the game is relatively weak as hell. Only can an MVP be a detriment to his team. Think about that. Wait, I hear your brain trying to function and what is coming up?

"He didnt deserve it. Shaq did! So that MVP shouldnt even be in his possession furthering exposing how he was just a chucker who shot 30 times to get 30pts with a crappy efficiency. No I dont remember that season but I can look up stats, exagerrate and argue just the same. Me >>>>> uwe!".

[Brandon Roy]

I dont think many of you were even at an age to understand the game of basketball when the 00-01 season (incl postseason) took place. Thats roughly 8-9yrs ago. Thats why so many focus on just stats especially 1 like FG%. Your understanding of the game is relatively weak as hell. Only can an MVP be a detriment to his team. Think about that. Wait, I hear your brain trying to function and what is coming up?

"He didnt deserve it. Shaq did! So that MVP shouldnt even be in his possession furthering exposing how he was just a chucker who shot 30 times to get 30pts with a crappy efficiency. No I dont remember that season but I can look up stats, exagerrate and argue just the same. Me >>>>> uwe!".

/thread

[Abraham Lincoln]

I dont think many of you were even at an age to understand the game of basketball when the 00-01 season (incl postseason) took place. Thats roughly 8-9yrs ago. Thats why so many focus on just stats especially 1 like FG%. Your understanding of the game is relatively weak as hell. Only can an MVP be a detriment to his team. Think about that. Wait, I hear your brain trying to function and what is coming up?

"He didnt deserve it. Shaq did! So that MVP shouldnt even be in his possession furthering exposing how he was just a chucker who shot 30 times to get 30pts with a crappy efficiency. No I dont remember that season but I can look up stats, exagerrate and argue just the same. Me >>>>> uwe!".
:applause:

[BALLin01]

I dont think many of you were even at an age to understand the game of basketball when the 00-01 season (incl postseason) took place. Thats roughly 8-9yrs ago. Thats why so many focus on just stats especially 1 like FG%. Your understanding of the game is relatively weak as hell. Only can an MVP be a detriment to his team. Think about that. Wait, I hear your brain trying to function and what is coming up?

"He didnt deserve it. Shaq did! So that MVP shouldnt even be in his possession furthering exposing how he was just a chucker who shot 30 times to get 30pts with a crappy efficiency. No I dont remember that season but I can look up stats, exagerrate and argue just the same. Me >>>>> uwe!".

:applause:

[artificial]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/48621/1030597-1289258360068498141_super.jpg
Post of the Thread.




Really, there's no point arguing beyond that. I love that pic.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

jesus i hadn't even realized it was 8.5 years ago, sick sht. :banghead:

[mrpibb]

You can throw statistics at me but I know the way AI plays. And the way he plays means he carries the team to wins if they do win, and holds them to losses if they lose.

[Bigsmoke]

not to sound like an ass but theres a reason why Iverson only went to the finals "once".

Iverson had a nice team around him and the teams he faced in the playoffs werent all that good so he should of went to the finals. I'll like to see if the 01 Sixers could compete against the 08 Celtics

[jmill]

I dont think many of you were even at an age to understand the game of basketball when the 00-01 season (incl postseason) took place. Thats roughly 8-9yrs ago. Thats why so many focus on just stats especially 1 like FG%. Your understanding of the game is relatively weak as hell. Only can an MVP be a detriment to his team. Think about that. Wait, I hear your brain trying to function and what is coming up?

"He didnt deserve it. Shaq did! So that MVP shouldnt even be in his possession furthering exposing how he was just a chucker who shot 30 times to get 30pts with a crappy efficiency. No I dont remember that season but I can look up stats, exagerrate and argue just the same. Me >>>>> uwe!".


Using FG% alone as a metric to determine a players value is awful.

Saying Shaq deserved the MVP over AI is not.

[Mateo]

Using FG% alone as a metric to determine a players value is awful.

Saying Shaq deserved the MVP over AI is not.

But clearly saying that Iverson carried the team is bull**** too. That was a defensive team, and Iverson had little to do with the defense.

[markymark]

But clearly saying that Iverson carried the team is bull**** too. That was a defensive team, and Iverson had little to do with the defense.

2k1 AI was a monster at the passing lanes.

It's simple math: AI was MVP + not-so-talented team making it to the finals = he carried the team

[guy]

not to sound like an ass but theres a reason why Iverson only went to the finals "once".

Iverson had a nice team around him and the teams he faced in the playoffs werent all that good so he should of went to the finals. I'll like to see if the 01 Sixers could compete against the 08 Celtics

They couldn't. You're point? I think its safe to say the 08 Celtics are the best Eastern Conference team of the decade. But the 01 Sixers would probably beat the 02 and 03 Nets, 06 Heat, 07 Cavs, and they'd have a great chance against the 00 Pacers, 05 Pistons, and 09 Magic.

AI only went to the Finals once cause he's hard to build around. There's no denying that. He's an undersized SG that needs the ball in his hands. Its hard for him to play with a bunch of talented offensive players without negatively effecting team chemistry. But thats something that took quite a long time for everyone to figure out.

But if you're the Philly GM in 1996, and someone tells you that AI can't play with great offensive players, but what he can do is play greatly with a bunch of scrappy role players that will hustle, defend, and rebound to the point that you're team has a shot at getting to the Finals every year (in turn meaning contending for a championship since almost anything can happen in a 7 game series), would you not jump on that?

AI is hard to build around, but he can be built around, and he showed that in 2001. If Philly knew the right way to build around him from the beginning, I think AI's career and the perception of him on the court is very different. I'd say definitely more then one Finals appearance, possibly even a championship(s). Is that their fault? Absolutely not, and its not an excuse for AI. AI's one of the most unique players ever, for better and worst. For worst because for a superstar at his level, he can't adapt well. Its been the one big negative for his career. Unfortunately for him, he wasn't always surrounded with the ideal team for him, so that flaw was exposed instead of hidden.

[boozehound]

Yes he "carried" the Sixers to the finals. Let's just forget the fact that he had the DPOY on his team...
exactly. Sure, he was incredibly important to that teams success (perhaps the most important player in that regard) but its a two way game. Without mutumbo (and the overall team defensive effort, which was both well coached and well executed), his points dont mean much (see the PHX run n' suns).

The idea that he carried a team full of worthless scrubs to the finals is one of the most overblown rewrites of fact in the nba. That team was dangerous because of their D and AI. Not just one.


besides, those listing ty hill and snow as the only other players on that team forget that they had theo ratliff (one fo the best interior defenders in recent memory), kukoc, mcKie, etc. on that team. it was a team full of very solid and smart defenders that allowed him to be the offensive engine.

But that doesnt mean he "carried" them. Its a two way game (particularly back then, when D was actually allowed by the officials).

[chocolatethunder]

exactly. Sure, he was incredibly important to that teams success (perhaps the most important player in that regard) but its a two way game. Without mutumbo (and the overall team defensive effort, which was both well coached and well executed), his points dont mean much (see the PHX run n' suns).

The idea that he carried a team full of worthless scrubs to the finals is one of the most overblown rewrites of fact in the nba. That team was dangerous because of their D and AI. Not just one.


besides, those listing ty hill and snow as the only other players on that team forget that they had theo ratliff (one fo the best interior defenders in recent memory), kukoc, mcKie, etc. on that team. it was a team full of very solid and smart defenders that allowed him to be the offensive engine.

But that doesnt mean he "carried" them. Its a two way game (particularly back then, when D was actually allowed by the officials).

I have to agree with Duane Allman on this. Here's the thing. That team was a real team. They were a lock down defensive squad. Kind of like Parcells' teams when he coached the Giants. They didn't win pretty that's for sure but they won. It's hilarious that everyone on here says that defense wins championships but when you have a for real defensive squad everyone just busts all over them. Aaron McKie was killing it that year. Did he average a ****load of points? No way. But what he did anything LB asked him to do. When Iverson couldn't play, he was scoring 20. When they needed a big shot and Iverson couldn't take it, he took it. When they needed someone to play lockdown d on the teams best guard/SF, he did it. That dude would even play back up minutes at the point. He was almost as valuable to the team as Iverson was. You couldn't always tell it from the boxscore, but he was the truth. In the finals him and Snow were playing hurt. Hill was an excellent defender and rebounder and Lynch was a very good defender too. That team was a great team. It was one of the best coached teams and one of the best defensive teams in recent memory. Most of all it was a team. Has no one here ever heard of the whole being greater than the sum of the parts? Well, that's what makes a real team. So yeah everyone on that team needed each other equally.

[GOBB]

So what NBA players "carried" their teams to the finals and/or championship?

[GOBB]

not to sound like an ass but theres a reason why Iverson only went to the finals "once".

Iverson had a nice team around him and the teams he faced in the playoffs werent all that good so he should of went to the finals. I'll like to see if the 01 Sixers could compete against the 08 Celtics

So to justify how good the 01 Sixers were. They have to face the 08 Celtics that featured 3 future HOFers? :roll:

Is there a reason why the Sixers were the only team in the playoffs to play L.A tough and even defeat them once?

[Dresta]

No, the refs carried Iverson to the finals.

[Abraham Lincoln]

I have to agree with Duane Allman on this. Here's the thing. That team was a real team. They were a lock down defensive squad. Kind of like Parcells' teams when he coached the Giants. They didn't win pretty that's for sure but they won. It's hilarious that everyone on here says that defense wins championships but when you have a for real defensive squad everyone just busts all over them. Aaron McKie was killing it that year. Did he average a ****load of points? No way. But what he did anything LB asked him to do. When Iverson couldn't play, he was scoring 20. When they needed a big shot and Iverson couldn't take it, he took it. When they needed someone to play lockdown d on the teams best guard/SF, he did it. That dude would even play back up minutes at the point. He was almost as valuable to the team as Iverson was. You couldn't always tell it from the boxscore, but he was the truth. In the finals him and Snow were playing hurt. Hill was an excellent defender and rebounder and Lynch was a very good defender too. That team was a great team. It was one of the best coached teams and one of the best defensive teams in recent memory. Most of all it was a team. Has no one here ever heard of the whole being greater than the sum of the parts? Well, that's what makes a real team. So yeah everyone on that team needed each other equally.
Excellent post.

[GilZero]

This is bullshit, all the hate on AI.

The game isnt just stats? Have you guys ever played?
A guy can have 0 points, 2 rebs and a block and still be the factor that one team won, stats are cool, but its not everything.

The hate on AI needs to stop, NOW.

[JtotheIzzo]

Iverson, Dikembe and most importantly the refs.

[Orlando Magic]

Allen Iverson.

[HurricaneKid]

Wasn't Ray Allen on the Milwakee Bucks, who had much better players like Glen Robinson and Sam Cassell at the time. Weren't they defeated by the Sixers who were led by Iverson?

They weren't defeated, they were CHEATED.

http://brewedsports.blogspot.com/2009/12/bill-simmons-on-2001-bucks.html

http://ballislife.com/the-2001-bucks-vs-76ers-conspiracy-theory-series/

No one remembers because it was Milwaukee and not the Lakers. But it literally caused me to curb my regular season viewing for a few seasons. It was CLEARLY far worse than the Lakers/Kings series.

[tpols]

^^^ these only show further how rigged the NBA is as a league .. it is the most league office calculated out of all 4 major sports in the USA by far.

[HurricaneKid]

^^^ these only show further how rigged the NBA is as a league .. it is the most league office calculated out of all 4 major sports in the USA by far.

I really do think today's NBA officiating is the best basketball officiating in the world. The Olympics, international play and college ball are just so inconsistently handled.

However, Jordan retired in 1999 and the league REALLY felt it. There were a lot of pressures to bring in the next big superstar class and there were CLEARLY a lot of pressures on the league to get them fast. And I think the officiating was clearly biased towards the stars and big markets of the day in an attempt to make sure the league regained its footing despite losing its cornerstone.

[tpols]

I really do think today's NBA officiating is the best basketball officiating in the world. The Olympics, international play and college ball are just so inconsistently handled.

However, Jordan retired in 1999 and the league REALLY felt it. There were a lot of pressures to bring in the next big superstar class and there were CLEARLY a lot of pressures on the league to get them fast. And I think the officiating was clearly biased towards the stars and big markets of the day in an attempt to make sure the league regained its footing despite losing its cornerstone.

yup..

'02
'06
'16

were all blatant tamperings imo to help their brand .. then there are a ton of series like '01 Bucks where not many people tuned in anyway but officiating was extremely one sided to nudge the more popular option over the top. I want to say '14 for the Nets too.. they got jobbed as well

[Annyong!]

He carried the offensive load.

[GimmeThat]

what Rasheed Wallace did was more of a carrying than Allen Iverson

[Smoke117]

what Rasheed Wallace did was more of a carrying than Allen Iverson

What did Sheed do?

And No he didn't carry the Sixers...the defense and the refs did.

[ralph_i_el]

If Ray Allen was on the 76ers at that time, they would have been a better team.

Dude.....Ray Allen LOST to this 76er's team that year

[JebronLames]

yup..

'02
'06
'16

were all blatant tamperings imo to help their brand .. then there are a ton of series like '01 Bucks where not many people tuned in anyway but officiating was extremely one sided to nudge the more popular option over the top. I want to say '14 for the Nets too.. they got jobbed as well
You forgot '00 and '10

Delete '16 since cavs overcame the golden state refs and won.

[Big164]

What I'm trying to say is if you put any elite scoring guard on the 76ers, they would have made the Finals.

You mean like Ray Allen, Iverson's opponent in the ECF who shot nearly 20+% better yet still got his arse kicked?

Chucking is not necessarily a bad thing. Guys like AI, Kobe and Westbrook are far more exhausting to opposing defenses than a Chris Paul, Reggie or Ray Allen..

[Bankaii]

yup..

'02
'06
'16

were all blatant tamperings imo to help their brand .. then there are a ton of series like '01 Bucks where not many people tuned in anyway but officiating was extremely one sided to nudge the more popular option over the top. I want to say '14 for the Nets too.. they got jobbed as well

What did Sheed do?

And No he didn't carry the Sixers...the defense and the refs did.
Doesn't get any dumber than this.

[fourkicks44]

Doesn't get any dumber than this.

So much salt.

[comerb]

yes he did. Having said that, the eastern conference was a ****ing catastrophe. It wasn't because Iverson was particularly impressive.

[Smoke117]

Doesn't get any dumber than this.

True...it must have been that 30.5ppg on 31 shots by Iverson that got them over the Bucks.

[Bankaii]

True...it must have been that 30.5ppg on 31 shots by Iverson that got them over the Bucks.
The road to the NBA Finals is more than a 6 game series...crazy right?
AI was their best player and the driving force every single game.
Also, instead of just posting stats, why not take into account the context of why Iverson had to take so many shots every night?

[Smoke117]

The road to the NBA Finals is more than a 6 game series...crazy right?
AI was their best player and the driving force every single game.
Also, instead of just posting stats, why not take into account the context of why Iverson had to take so many shots every night?

Iverson will always be one of the most overrated players ever to me who played the game like a ****ing jack ass...so we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

[Milbuck]

The refs carried the Sixers to the finals. ECF was so hilariously rigged.

[FKAri]

It was sort of like the 2011 Bulls. A great defensive team with one great offensive player. Although The Bulls had a bit more balanced scoring whereas the Sixers were heavily reliant on Iverson to not only score but create for others. Only McKie could somewhat score on that team other than Iverson.

[jbryan1984]

One word. Yes. He had an average team around him. Nobody really stood out. Other than my 07 Cavs, not many other teams rival this team for the worst team to ever make the finals. He had Mutombo, who was picked up at the deadline as i recall. Tyrone Hill was past his best days. Eric Snow, probably the best time of his career too but he was also just a barely starting point guard and great backup point guard.

[ILLsmak]

It was sort of like the 2011 Bulls. A great defensive team with one great offensive player. Although The Bulls had a bit more balanced scoring whereas the Sixers were heavily reliant on Iverson to not only score but create for others. Only McKie could somewhat score on that team other than Iverson.

yea cept they went to the finals and Ivo is better than Rose. Plus the Bulls had people who could make jumpers.

Deke could score a little in the post. He was a monster. I think the accolades of the 76ers were more related to their season than their players being that good. Was LB the best coach, was Aaron the 6th man? I dunno about all that. haha. It's cuz they had one of the best records in the league with that garbage roster.

So it was just like 'something has to be happening here.'

Ivo carried them as much as anyone has carried a team, imo. But yea of course they got ref help.

-Smak

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Larry Brown and their defense did.

Offensively, AI got to do whatever he pleased and while he carried a heavy burden in certain games, it was ALWAYS hit and miss via the consistency department.

[tpols]

yea cept they went to the finals and Ivo is better than Rose.

yea but if iverson had to face peak versions of Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, and Chris Bosh instead of Ray Allen, Glenn Robinson on his way to the Finals his squad wouldve lost too.. the heat would feast on that team, they were built to shut down small guard play.

[houston]

Iverson carried the team offensively.

Mutumbo anchored the defense.



If anything, it's Mutumbo's contributions that are often overlooked.


mutumbo was all-nba that season with being DPOY

[bizil]

Offensively, OF COURSE HE DID!!! Defense wise, they had some great guys in Snow, McKie, Deke, and Lynch. At that time period, I think all four of those guys were among the top 10 defenders at their respective positions minimum.

BUT THE THING IS, the most premium asset in the sport is alpha dog scoring. So that Philly team needed a legit alpha dog to get them over the top. AI will FOREVER get knocked for his FG% in various seasons. But on that Philly team, he LITERALLY had to get up a ton of shots. It's the MAIN REASON why Larry Brown moved him from PG to SG. The ironic thing is that in today's game, AI would have stayed at PG. And thrashed the league more than he did in his era! LOL

So he took some bad shots and played hero ball. But he put up multiple seasons of 45% to 46% FG%. Those percentage aren't bad for an alpha dog scoring perimeter player. They aren't great FG%, but they are very good. ESPECIALLY when u consider AI is 6'0 and can't overpower the opposition physically.

[fourkicks44]

They weren't defeated, they were CHEATED.

http://brewedsports.blogspot.com/2009/12/bill-simmons-on-2001-bucks.html

http://ballislife.com/the-2001-bucks-vs-76ers-conspiracy-theory-series/

No one remembers because it was Milwaukee and not the Lakers. But it literally caused me to curb my regular season viewing for a few seasons. It was CLEARLY far worse than the Lakers/Kings series.

All these years later this still cracks me up

Karl and Ray Allen disrespect the refs openly in the media, said that in conjunction with NBA they were rigging the games, then expected to get calls in their favor?

If I were the refs I would have given them techs for saying hello to me before the game.

Good call guys... no wonder the refs screwed you out of the finals. :oldlol:

[PP34Deuce]

that team was weak.

He had defensive specialists and the only guys who could make a shot and sometimes create were Eric Snow and McKie

Mutombo was on the back end of his prime.
Dalembert was nowhere near what he became 3 years later.
Raja Bell was a young guy

[fourkicks44]

that team was weak.

He had defensive specialists and the only guys who could make a shot and sometimes create were Eric Snow and McKie

Mutombo was on the back end of his prime.
Dalembert was nowhere near what he became 3 years later.
Raja Bell was a young guy

Wasn't even on that team, buddy.

[BarberSchool]

A historically weak east carried the 76ers to the finals.

[egokiller]

Offensively, OF COURSE HE DID!!! Defense wise, they had some great guys in Snow, McKie, Deke, and Lynch. At that time period, I think all four of those guys were among the top 10 defenders at their respective positions minimum.

BUT THE THING IS, the most premium asset in the sport is alpha dog scoring. So that Philly team needed a legit alpha dog to get them over the top. AI will FOREVER get knocked for his FG% in various seasons. But on that Philly team, he LITERALLY had to get up a ton of shots. It's the MAIN REASON why Larry Brown moved him from PG to SG. The ironic thing is that in today's game, AI would have stayed at PG. And thrashed the league more than he did in his era! LOL

So he took some bad shots and played hero ball. But he put up multiple seasons of 45% to 46% FG%. Those percentage aren't bad for an alpha dog scoring perimeter player. They aren't great FG%, but they are very good. ESPECIALLY when u consider AI is 6'0 and can't overpower the opposition physically.

Can you imagine AI in this league with the same treatment that Curry has where if you touch him you get the whistle? Scary.