The Latest discussion on Kobe and how well the Lakers are doing

[triangleoffense]

Yea so as far as the +/- percentage goes Kobe and Artest and 2 and 1, respectively.Ray Allen is 3rd and I believe Dirk is 4th.

Discuss

[Maniak]

Who the hell cares about +/-

[kurple]

Who the hell cares about +/-

this.

+/- is worthless

[Disaprine]

:roll:

[chazzy]

+/- proved Carmelo is the 6th best player on the Nuggets. And there's someone out there that actually believes that :oldlol:

[gts]

Yea so as far as the +/- percentage goes Kobe and Artest and 2 and 1, respectively.Ray Allen is 3rd and I believe Dirk is 4th.

Discuss
it's a team stat.. even when adjusted for everything it's for comparing players on the same team.. not across the league

[triangleoffense]

Never said it was a big deal bras. I thought it was just a coincidence that 2 players on the same deal are first and second best in the league. Notice how all the crappy posters felt an urge to post in this thread cause they normally don't have anything good or informative to say.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

Never said it was a big deal bras. I thought it was just a coincidence that 2 players on the same deal are first and second best in the league. Notice how all the crappy posters felt an urge to post in this thread cause they normally don't have anything good or informative to say.
It just means that lakers starting five usually dominates the opponent thus causing a large +/- for the players that play most during that domination.

[phoenix18]

+/-?

[OhNoTimNoSho]

+/-?
Its actually pretty simple, just take a look at this equation:


http://user.uni-frankfurt.de/~scherers/blogging/Mercury/equations_moyer.jpg

I hope this helps!

[bballer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=livI04BKAmQ

[plowking]

Hey man, how about making one thread and posting everything in there? Just keeps everything a lot cleaner in the forum. I'm sure a lot of people will view your clips and thank you in the thread.

[HighFlyer23]

apparently he stole Shammgod's crossover during his AAU days


Kobe sizzled during the 1994-95 season. The junior averaged 31.1 points, 10.4 rebounds and 5.2 assists and was named Pennsylvania Player of the Year. Kobe also unveiled his devastating cross-over dribble during the campaign. He learned the move from God Shammgod, a teammate on his summer AAU squad.

http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Bryant/Bryant_bio.html

[phoenix18]

Stealing moves?:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

What? How is that possible? Every move is stolen. Jump shots arent anything new, dribbling isnt new.

Damn, you cannot be creative all the time.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

old news. very old..

[Extempo]

I saw this interesting debate on ESPN first take today. Kobe hit 2 amazing game winners in the past 2 weeks and now his # of game winners (28) has surpassed MJ (25).

Kobe's list of game winners:

1. 12/27/99: Lakers 108 - Mavericks 106 (game-winning FTs)
2. 02/13/00: Lakers 113 - Nets 110 (OT game-winning layup with the and-1)
3. 05/10/00: Lakers 97 - Phoenix 96 (playoffs, jumper over Jason Kidd)
4.*06/14/00: Lakers 120 - Pacers 118 (NBA Finals, off reb and put back)
5. 11/16/00: Lakers 112 - Kings 110 (OT game-tying 3 pointer for OT, & jumper for win)
6. 02/07/01: Lakers 85 - Phoenix 83 (jumper with 2.7 sec)
7. 01/02/02: Lakers 87 - Nuggets 86 (off reb and the jumper)
8. 02/22/02: Lakers 96 - Hornets 94 (first career buzzer-beater jumper)
9. 03/24/02: Lakers 97 - Kings 96 (fade-away with 36 sec)
10. 05/12/02: Lakers 87 - Spurs 85 (playoffs, off reb for the put back)
11. 12/06/02: Lakers 105 - Mavericks 103 (game-winner: spin-around jumper)
12. 04/04/03: Lakers 102 - Grizzlies 101 (buzzer beater jumper)
13. 04/06/03: Lakers 115 - Suns 113 (final jumper with 28.6 sec)
14. 12/19/03: Lakers 101 - Nuggets 99 (game after the trial, fade-away)
15. 02/17/04: Lakers 89 - Blazers 86 (layup and the foul)
16. 03/03/04: Lakers 96 - Rockets 93 (jumper over Yao with 22 sec)
17. 03/21/04: Lakers 104 - Bucks 103 (OT jumper with 25 sec)
18. 04/14/04: Lakers 105 - Blazers 104 (OT game-tying 3-pointer for OT, & g-winning 3-pt buzzer beater)
19. 03/13/05: Lakers 117 - Bobcats 116 (pump fake jumper for the win)
20. 11/02/05: Lakers 99 - Nuggets 97 (OT jumper after the Kwame brick)
21. 12/04/05: Lakers 99 - Bobcats 98 (game-winning FTs)
22. 01/07/06: Lakers 112 - Clippers 109 (game-winning off-the-window shot)
23. 01/12/06: Lakers 99 - Cavaliers 98 (jumper against Lebron with 8 sec)
24. 04/30/06: Lakers 99 - Suns 98 (OT game-tying tear drop for OT, and game-winning jumper)
25. 01/14/08: Lakers 123 - Sonics 121 (OT game-winning jumper)
26. 01/09/09: Lakers 121 - Pacers 119 (jumper against Jarrett Jack with 3 sec)
27. 12/04/09: Lakers 108 - Heat 107 (game-winning buzzer-beater 3-pointer)
28. 12/16/09: Lakers 107 - Bucks 106 (game-winning buzzer-beating jumper)

Jordan's list of game winners:

1. 11/11/84 vs. Indiana, 118-116 (12-footer with four seconds left)
2. 12/7/84 vs. New York, 95-93 (18-footer with five seconds left)
3. 3/26/85 vs. Indiana, 120-119 (two free throws with five seconds left)
4. 4/24/85 vs. Milwaukee, 109-107 (game-winning jumper from the corner with 22 seconds left on the clock)
5. 10/25/85 vs. Cleveland, 116-115 (misses the first FT, but drains number two for the victory)
6. 11/11/86 vs. Atlanta, 112-110 (layup with nine seconds left)
7. 11/21/86 vs. New York, 101-99 (running 18-footer with one second remaining)
8. 2/12/88 vs. Milwaukee, 95-93 (2 FTs with two seconds left)
9. 4/3/88 vs. Detroit, 112-110 (2 FTs with four seconds left)
10. 4/15/88 vs. New Jersey, 100-99 (game winning jumper with 20 seconds left)
11. 2/16/89 vs. Milwaukee, 117-116 (20-footer with one second left)
12. 5/7/89 vs. Cleveland, 101-100 ("The Shot" at the buzzer)
13. 5/19/89 vs. New York, 113-111 (2 FTs with four seconds left)
14. 5/27/89 vs. Detroit, 99-97 (pull-up jumper with three seconds left)
15. 9/13/90 vs. Utah, 84-82 (15 footer over Thurl Bailey and Jeff Malone)
16. 1/22/92 vs. Charlotte, 115-112 (three-point play for a three-point victory)
17. 11/11/92 vs. Detroit, 98-96 (OT) (long range three-pointer at the buzzer)
18. 5/17/93 vs. Cleveland, 103-101 (jumper over Gerald Wilkins to win Game 4)
19. 3/25/95 vs. Atlanta, 99-98 (jumper over Steve Smith)
20. 2/11/97 vs. Charlotte, 103-100 (clutch jumper from downtown)
21. 3/1897 vs. Seattle, 89-87 (OT) (2 free throws to shut down Seattle)
22. 6/1/97 vs. Utah, 84-82 (jumper as the buzzer goes off)
23. 2/13/98 vs. Atlanta, 112-110 (game-winning buzzer-beating jumper)
24. 3/22/98 vs. Toronto, 102-100 (short fadeaway jumper from the right wing)
25. 6/14/98 vs. Utah, 87-86 (clutch game-clinching jumper with 5.2 seconds remaining)

[sergiorodriguez]

out off those 2, Horry, then Fisher, then Ginobili


but Jordan should win by a landslide because his game winner in the finals

[PleezeBelieve]

Hey-oooo!!!

Lakers are great. What you got to elaborate on that?

[HighFlyer23]

Stealing moves?:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

What? How is that possible? Every move is stolen. Jump shots arent anything new, dribbling isnt new.

Damn, you cannot be creative all the time.


kobe fan :lol

[kshutts1]

I forget who said it, may have been in Simmons' book, but I agree that Kobe is the best split-second shot maker of the two. He has a much more natural/pure shot than Jordan, and more range, and seems to do a better job getting it off cleaner. If there was <2 seconds, give me Kobe. If there are >2 seconds, I won't complain, but I'd prefer Jordan.

[Extempo]

out off those 2, Horry, then Fisher, then Ginobili


but Jordan should win by a landslide because his game winner in the finals
To say MJ should win by a landslide is stupid because Kobe has hit more game-winners than him. It should be very close. I think it's the nostalgia speaking. People like to say MJ as an answer for everything just for the sake of saying MJ.

[Indian guy]

Don't forget MJ's 3 GW's as a Wizard.

[hitmanyr2k]

You can compile a lot of game winners when you're constantly taking those shots. No one remembers the ones they missed. Do they have a list of both players when they missed to see who's missed more? :oldlol:

Anyway, Jordan has shown me he can hit that shot when the stakes are highest. He wins for that reason alone.

[beasted86]

I really don't see why Laker fans are so angry at people disputing the controversial call.

If the call had gone the other way and the Lakers lost, the forums would be overrun the same way with Laker trolls. :confusedshrug:

[ShaqAttack3234]

I have to give credit to Kobe for his clutch play, but I think he's dominating the ball too much lately, especially when you consider his injury. With his finger injury and the talent on his team, there's no reason for him to look to score that much. With less talent and better health last season he averaged 26.8 ppg and won 65 games. He's also had 7 and 8 turnovers in the last 2 games, respectively. He has to let his teammates get more involved, particularly Bynum who isn't getting enough touches.

[NBASTATMAN]

The call wasn't even missed, it was correct. Bogut was walking backwords when contact was made, it's perfectly clear. He should have set his feet but the idiot didn't. Clear block.



Also all those threads exist because there are alot of lakers haters, mods included (StroShow) who stickies anti-laker threads, who want to distract people from the fact Kobe hit 2 buzzer beating game winners in 2 weeks.


He walked on that game winner.. Kobe is still 16-60 in game winning opps in since 2003... Considering Kobe made 5 game winners in the 2003-2004 season it is not great..


Still he takes advantage of the stuff he gets.. Not all are able to do that... Ray allen is the best clutch shot maker in the league.. Not even close..

[Mihmus]

i dont see anyone beating the lakers as Long as KB24 and pau are on the same team Plus add artest and odom thier gonna be champs again this year i can feel it

[KG5MVP]

maybe not now, but definitely when before KG's injury

[Glide2keva]

Well, both combos have won it all. Although Boston beat L.A. handily, I would say that both combos are about equal.

[Mihmus]

seriously Kobe is GOAT if this keeps going on for the next 2-4 years and it will buzzer beaters 42 points with broken fingers... I mean thats just amazing im not saying hes better then jordan But hes just as good as Him and has a chance to be better once he cements his legacy and retires
http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab340/Zelenoff21/kobejordan.jpg

[LA_Showtime]

better than jordan? no way. in the same breath as jordan? probably not. cementing his status as a top 5-8 player? sure.

kobe's a great player, but he's never impacted a game the same way jordan/bird/wilt/shaq/duncan/magic did.

[Russell11rings]

Mihmus and LA Showtime you are forgetting the real GOAT. Hit me up when any of those guys has eleven rings.

[SAKOTXA]

Why was this thread stickied?

[Force]

wattup with this sticky?

the Lakers aren't even playing that well. they are getting nothing out of their bench and nothing from anybody but Kobe and Pau...winning close games against so-so teams??? weird...shows what kinda bias this forum has i guess

[LA_Showtime]

Mihmus and LA Showtime you are forgetting the real GOAT. Hit me up when any of those guys has eleven rings.

i'm sure jordan or kobe would have 11 titles if they played in an era with less teams.

[poido123]

Kobe>Jordan...by a long way...can't argue with that, I mean, there's enough of you Lakers fans saying so, so it must be true :lol I dont think some of these posters watched the Bulls games in the 90's comon seriously...Kobe is a very good player, I would say he is getting close to top 8 of all time, but Jordan is regarded by his peers as the greatest...And for me, that speaks the loudest volume, fans opinions are biased and not from NBA experience...

[Soopa]

Who the hell cares about +/-

people who care about +/-



http://www.stevelambe.com/posts/Nerd.jpg

[Russell11rings]

i'm sure jordan or kobe would have 11 titles if they played in an era with less teams.

They played in weaker eras. Russell played when every team had hall of fame players. Russell made his team champions simply by his greatness. Jordan and Kobe could not do that. They needed to be surrounded by superior talent to succeed. Russell didn't and that is why he is the GOAT. Your point may be debatable if Jordan and Kobe were close every year. A lot of times they would win less than half their games or lose in the first or second round. Russell won it all year after year.

[chazzy]

wattup with this sticky?

the Lakers aren't even playing that well. they are getting nothing out of their bench and nothing from anybody but Kobe and Pau...winning close games against so-so teams??? weird...shows what kinda bias this forum has i guess

Bias? Every non Laker fan HATES the Lakers :oldlol: This thread is stckied because there are literally 3 or 4 Kobe/Laker threads a day, might as well keep the discussions in here.

[KingLeBronJames]

They played in weaker eras. Russell played when every team had hall of fame players. Russell made his team champions simply by his greatness. Jordan and Kobe could not do that. They needed to be surrounded by superior talent to succeed. Russell didn't and that is why he is the GOAT. Your point may be debatable if Jordan and Kobe were close every year. A lot of times they would win less than half their games or lose in the first or second round. Russell won it all year after year.
Times has changed.

[LALakerFan4Life]

seriously Kobe is GOAT if this keeps going on for the next 2-4 years and it will buzzer beaters 42 points with broken fingers... I mean thats just amazing im not saying hes better then jordan But hes just as good as Him and has a chance to be better once he cements his legacy and retires
http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab340/Zelenoff21/kobejordan.jpg
:no:

[Force]

Bias? Every non Laker fan HATES the Lakers :oldlol: This thread is stckied because there are literally 3 or 4 Kobe/Laker threads a day, might as well keep the discussions in here.

uh DUH, u just proved my point u fool. hahahaha @ the backfire

[Disaprine]

seriously Kobe is GOAT if this keeps going on for the next 2-4 years and it will buzzer beaters 42 points with broken fingers... I mean thats just amazing im not saying hes better then jordan But hes just as good as Him and has a chance to be better once he cements his legacy and retires
http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab340/Zelenoff21/kobejordan.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/43469/1046405-stop_super.jpg

[Scribbles]

They played in weaker eras. Russell played when every team had hall of fame players. Russell made his team champions simply by his greatness. Jordan and Kobe could not do that. They needed to be surrounded by superior talent to succeed. Russell didn't and that is why he is the GOAT. Your point may be debatable if Jordan and Kobe were close every year. A lot of times they would win less than half their games or lose in the first or second round. Russell won it all year after year.

Russell would only be an all-star in this era.

[kurple]

Bynum > D12 tonight.

4/3/0 > 12/20/4

[LakersFan626]

wattup with this sticky?

the Lakers aren't even playing that well. they are getting nothing out of their bench and nothing from anybody but Kobe and Pau...winning close games against so-so teams??? weird...shows what kinda bias this forum has i guess

Boston, Orlando, and Cleveland (the east's big three) have had so-so games against bad teams too, as have Dallas, Phoenix, San Antonio, Houston, and Denver, the Lakers' biggest Western Conference foes, and all of them have lost at least once to a below .500 team, which is something the Lakers have yet to do, and they have a better record than all of them too (and have good offense AND defense this year). Hmmm... I think this thread is pretty justified.

[insidious301]

Kobe was his usual self, goat tonight.

[triangleoffense]

To say MJ should win by a landslide is stupid because Kobe has hit more game-winners than him. It should be very close. I think it's the nostalgia speaking. People like to say MJ as an answer for everything just for the sake of saying MJ.
Good point, it's like that phenomenon where everyone thinks that life was so much better 20-30 years ago in the "good old days" even though in actuality life was that much tougher and there was a lot less technology.

Pretty much whenever anyone tries to bring up a debate how much better Russell is than Duncan or Shaq.

Btw how the hell did my sticky about Artest/Kobe having the 1st and 2nd best +/- in the league turn into this crap. Seriously wtf is up wtih the mods these days. Holiday crack?

[cotdt]

As of right now, the Lakers are the No. 1 defensive team in the league:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2010.html

The Defensive Rating is points allowed per 100 possessions. Boston is No. 2 as of right now.

[211269]

Nice thread

[cotdt]

Kobe Bryant double clutch!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH-0gLhqpJg&feature=player_embedded

[Andrei89]

Go to freaking lakers forum for this.

Why the hell did a mod sticky this one? Lakers fanboy?

Awsome thread

[Yung D-Will]

Go to freaking lakers forum for this.

Why the hell did a mod sticky this one? Lakers fanboy?

Awsome thread

This has actually decreased the amount of Kobe threads the past week isn't that what we've been begging for? We're half way there now we just need a Lebron thread and maybe other threads don't have to revolve around the 2.

[KingLeBronJames]

This has actually decreased the amount of Kobe threads the past week isn't that what we've been begging for? We're half way there now we just need a Lebron thread and maybe other threads don't have to revolve around the 2.
Imagine if the internet was big in the 80's and 90's. There would be a zillion threads about Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson. Would be the same amount of threads started by Laker fans.

[Yung D-Will]

Imagine if the internet was big in the 80's and 90's. There would be a zillion threads about Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson. Would be the same amount of threads started by Laker fans.

Guy but people have been complaining about the amount of Kobe and Lebron threads for months and now that we're getting a halfways solution people complain about it.

[Anton Chigurh]

ISH should create an entirely new forum for Kobe alone.

[Wow15Characters]

Unsticky this $heet

[zabuza666]

Kobe Bryant double clutch!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH-0gLhqpJg&feature=player_embedded

That first shot is technically a travel.

Still a ****ing amazing shot though

[Lakers13]

Everyone not named Kobe came out and laid another egg for us. Glad this is happening now then later, getting exposed for bad defensive rotations and weak guard play is killing us.

[triangleoffense]

Well with the loss tonight against Phoenix the Lakers are doing no better than the Celtics.. why is this stickied and not stuff that has to do with the C's?

[Maniak]

Well with the loss tonight against Phoenix the Lakers are doing no better than the Celtics.. why is this stickied and not stuff that has to do with the C's?
Because Laker fans are far worse than Celtics fans.

[Lakers13]

Because Laker whore trolls are far worse than Celtics *** trolls.


Fixed

[Jasper]

X-mas day and tonight the Lakers are averaging about 15 assists a game.
What kind of ball rotation is occurring :confusedshrug:

Kobe is in the last few games - popping jumpers to the tune of 30 shots a night.

Is Fisher as good as everyone thinks he is , or are there better PG's that could play along Kobe to make the ball move in the offense ?

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It appears the Lakers hit a road bump , and it started with the Cav's and now the Suns (look at Frye's shot attempt's for the night and then look at his efficience rating - which should blow you out of the water how effective he was throughout the game)

[Lakers13]

Is Fisher as good as everyone thinks he is , or are there better PG's that could play along Kobe to make the ball move in the offense ?


Fisher comes thru when you really need him, but against the Average to Elite PGs, hes been destroyed this year. Im not gonna say trade him, but we do need some help. Our defense havent been getting to rotations either lately.

[Allstar24]

Fisher comes thru when you really need him, but against the Average to Elite PGs, hes been destroyed this year. Im not gonna say trade him, but we do need some help. Our defense havent been getting to rotations either lately.
I was gonna say the same thing...no way do I want Fisher to be traded. He is still valuable to this team but we do need to get someone reliable to help him out. I don't think Fisher's one or two clutch shots every few months is worth it. It's literally like the Lakers are going 4 on 5 when he is on the floor. I hate saying that but he is clearly not the player he once used to be.

[Samurai Swoosh]

I was gonna say the same thing...no way do I want Fisher to be traded. He is still valuable to this team but we do need to get someone reliable to help him out. I don't think Fisher's one or two clutch shots every few months is worth it. It's literally like the Lakers are going 4 on 5 when he is on the floor. I hate saying that but he is clearly not the player he once used to be.
Exactly

**Repost from other thread**

Derek Fisher, Lamar Odom and on occassion whether Lakers fans like to believe it or not ... Andrew Bynum are the weak links on this team, in terms of the core group of players. Some nights they show, others they don't. Fisher being the most glaring flaw. Just 2 seasons ago, in 2007 - 2008 which has been his best season in his second stint with the Lakers. He came in with the right attitude, delivered decent defense at the PG position, and gave you rock solid consistent shooting out of the triangle.

Now? He gets visibly frusterated, can't play D worth a lick (falls down all the time), and his most redeeming feature (the ability to knock down open shots) ... he can't even deliver on that now.

His leadership, rapport with Kobe / PJ, and knowledge is invaluable ... but its getting to the point where those positives don't out weigh the negatives he brings to the team on the court. If those are now the best stuff he can bring (essentially intangibles) ... bring him off the bench, or make him an assistant coach. They need a more solid starting PG who can defend and knock down open jumpers. They need to be younger at that position. Especially in the West, full of ELITE PGs bound to be met in the Playoffs (Billups, Paul, Nash, Deron Williams, Parker)

And Odom, he's always been a bonehead and Mr Inconsistent. Bynum? IDK ... he just doesn't bring it all the time. Doesn't seem to be the smartest of players. And I still stand by the fact I don't think he's a star caliber player.

The team needs to sell on the fact of working inside / outside on offense. Let Gasol get his touches to start the game, then work their way out to Bryant in the second half to close games. Let Gasol get his touches to get in a groove. So many players on the Lakers their might not be enough basketballs. When Artest gets back, they will remain stable ... mainly cause Artest brings invaluable amounts of defense, toughness, and grittyness that the team needs.

[oh the horror]

Because Laker fans are far worse than Celtics fans.


Not by a long shot pal. There just happens to be more LA fans on this particular board, but believe me....Bandwagon Boston fans do run rampant as well, and make the die hard Boston fans look bad.

[LALakerFan4Life]

Jordan Farmar... :banghead:

[triangleoffense]

Because Laker fans are far worse than Celtics fans.

I think a certain teenager is butthurt.

[1~Gibson~1]

Well with the loss tonight against Phoenix the Lakers are doing no better than the Celtics.. why is this stickied and not stuff that has to do with the C's?
this thread has been stickied for a while now because so Kobe lovers wont make so many threads about their beloved, Kobe.

[dynasty1978]

this thread has been stickied for a while now because so Kobe lovers wont make so many threads about their beloved, Kobe.

You're reaching PB levels of obnoxious behavior.......just sayin.

[1~Gibson~1]

You're reaching PB levels of obnoxious behavior.......just sayin.
im just answering his question

[RaceBannana]

Lakers are 6-6 on the season against teams that are >= .500

[dynasty1978]

im just answering his question

right.

[dynasty1978]

Lakers are 6-6 on the season against teams that are >= .500


It's an alarming trend, considering they got up for the elite teams last season and couldn't stay focused for the mediocre and below teams.

For the moment, I'll write it off as the ups and downs of a long season, but if we lose to boston and cleveland during our January road trip...then we have a problem :ohwell:

[1~Gibson~1]

right.
did i not?

[All Net]

Lakers are 6-6 on the season against teams that are >= .500

Lets see what that record is after january. Lakers have plenty of games against above 500 teams.

I would expect it to be far better than 500 after that.

[TryToBeUnbias]

When good posters go Troll smh....

[JayJay23]

So the Laker Bandwagoners have a whole thread stickied in the NBA forum and there is already a team forum like everyone else and Laker fans still feel the need to clog up the NBA forum with crap like 'whos better Kobe prime or todays Kobe'...why dont you all just use your team thread :cheers:

[Fatal9]

Any recent updates on Kobe/Lakers play of late? Haven't seen an NBA game for weeks. Looks like Kobe is destroying the league right now, but Lakers are struggling (why?!).

[SAKOTXA]

Any recent updates on Kobe/Lakers play of late? Haven't seen an NBA game for weeks. Looks like Kobe is destroying the league right now, but Lakers are struggling (why?!).

No defense what so ever, Bynum can't do anything, our bench is just horrible.

[Jacks3]

Lakers have 9 players shooting below 43%. No wonder their offensive has seen such a sharp drop this season.

[Fatal9]

No defense what so ever, Bynum can't do anything, our bench is just horrible.
Bynum is painful to watch when playing with Pau. Very talented and nice touch around the basket but he'll turn the ball over going 3 on 1 before passing it out. I don't know how a player can be so single minded. He would be one of my favorites to watch in the league otherwise, but all he thinks about is scoring, and it really hurts the team. No defense, no passing, no intangibles, no rebounding...decent scoring but all you have to do is double him loosely (force him to take a tough shot and miss). Lakers would be so much better off with a tough, grinder type of big man who provides all these other things (they don't need scoring help, especially from a black hole like Bynum). I've seen enough of Bynum in last years playoffs (injury is an excuse but he was playing well before the season ended). It'll be a shame if a selfish player like him, who cares about all the wrong things, gets into the all-star game.

[ortonsaw]

they need better bench!

[Norcaliblunt]

Why is this a sticky? Blatant homerism on ISH's part.

[TryToBeUnbias]

Why is this a sticky? Blatant homerism on ISH's part.
To try and limit some of the kobe/laker threads made everyday? Blatant commonsense

[cotdt]

Why is this a sticky? Blatant homerism on ISH's part.

The mods have also been deleting a lot of the Kobe/Lakers threads, so it's a tradeoff. Case in point there was a thread titled "Kobe is going for the MVP this season" and another titled "Lebron is going for the MVP this season" The Kobe one got deleted.

[Norcaliblunt]

So what? Either keep'um or delete'um we don't need a sticky. It's not like they are playing like the 96 Bulls. Give me a break. I think it's the thread title that seems homerISH.

[JayJay23]

To try and limit some of the kobe/laker threads made everyday? Blatant commonsense

yet there are still 4 or 5


kobe and duncan, kobe hits game winner, lakers: we have a problem

and many many more

[Lakers13]

yet there are still 4 or 5


kobe and duncan, kobe hits game winner, lakers: we have a problem

and many many more

How long have you been here again?

[JayJay23]

How long have you been here again?

On and Off since last year...whys that?

[Lakers13]

On and Off since last year...whys that?


Should be use to all the bullshit threads about Kobe/Lakers :oldlol:

[DKLaker]

So the Laker Bandwagoners have a whole thread stickied in the NBA forum and there is already a team forum like everyone else and Laker fans still feel the need to clog up the NBA forum with crap like 'whos better Kobe prime or todays Kobe'...why dont you all just use your team thread :cheers:

Wow....do you realize that you don't have to click on a thread you know you won't agree with.......or do you just not have a life?????
Drink Beer not Haterade :cheers:

[triangleoffense]

Hey can anyone tell me how long Gasol will be out?

[D-Rose]

Hey can anyone tell me how long Gasol will be out?
No one knows, he'll be evaluated today.

[TryToBeUnbias]

Los Angeles Lakers forward Pau Gasol, who suffered an injury to his left hamstring in last night

[TryToBeUnbias]

Breaking injury news left and right within the last hour

[Fatal9]

Serious question after last night...the current Lakers team (with Gasol injured) without Kobe or Clippers without Baron. Which team would you take...it's gotta be the Clippers right?