The official AVATAR movie thread... DECEMBER 18th

[Doomsday Dallas]

Might have to go try and see a midnight showing of this Movie... or just wait until tomorrow night.

I think I'll drive by the imax theater on the way home and get some tickets just to be safe.

Anyway... whoever else sees this film... Write your reviews in this thread.

http://movie-avatar.com/img/avatar2.jpg

[plowking]

Am going to go see it on Monday. Lines and cinemas will be full all weekend for it. Not to mention with holidays on now, there will be a sh!tload of people at the cinemas.

The one thing that intrigues me the most is, for a movie costing $500 million dollars to make, why in the hell wasn't there better advertising and marketing of the movie? Sure you heard about it and what not, but it wasn't in your face like The Dark Knight, or even something like 2012...

[goldenryan]

this movie doesn't really interest me, but if i was 10-13 again i would be all over this sh!t unfortunately we only had garbage blockbuster movies like godzilla and phantom menace back then.

[ZeN]

I cannot wait to see this.. unfortunately I probably wont get a chance to see till Monday.


Im taking my lil' bro to see it too (14yrs old.) cause Im sure hell get a kick out it..

[MK2V1GP]

I really wanna see this. I'm not sure when I'll go though. I got work til 5 on Friday, then the Celtics play. Then I got work til 5 again on Saturday, but the cowboys/saints game is on and I'll be driving to my parents Sat night/sun morning to see them for the holidays.

Not sure when I'll be able to see it. Might have to miss the Celtics game tomorrow night.

[ukplayer4]

Am going to go see it on Monday. Lines and cinemas will be full all weekend for it. Not to mention with holidays on now, there will be a sh!tload of people at the cinemas.

The one thing that intrigues me the most is, for a movie costing $500 million dollars to make, why in the hell wasn't there better advertising and marketing of the movie? Sure you heard about it and what not, but it wasn't in your face like The Dark Knight, or even something like 2012...



it cost 200-300 mill.

[ZeN]

it cost 200-300 mill.


How soon are you planning on seeing it? Anticipating it or not so much?

[Randy]

Budget was well over $300 million, including prints and marketing costs.

I have my IMAX 3-D ticket already purchased for tomorrow morning at 11:30 MST. WHATS UP NOW!?!?

[Doomsday Dallas]

Budget was well over $300 million, including prints and marketing costs.

I have my IMAX 3-D ticket already purchased for tomorrow morning at 11:30 MST. WHATS UP NOW!?!?


So it has to be an IMAX theater to see it in 3-D?

or can you just go to any regular theater?

[ZeN]

So it has to be an IMAX theater to see it in 3-D?

or can you just go to any regular theater?


You can see it in 3D in any regular theater.. but IMAX is just so freakin' badass, that its the primo option if available..

[Disaprine]

This is a ripoff of Dances with Wolves and Dances with Smurfs.
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/stills/southparkavatar.flv.jpg

[Randy]

I'm pretty sure you have three options:

- standard screening
- 3-D screening
- IMAX 3-D

I'm not a fan of 3-D but this is going to be rad as hell.

[ZeN]

I'm pretty sure you have three options:

- standard screening
- 3-D screening
- IMAX 3-D

I'm not a fan of 3-D but this is going to be rad as hell.


IMAX 3D >>>> Every Freakin' Thing Else

[AtomSmasher]

IMAX 3D >>>> Every Freakin' Thing Else
Got the IMAX 3D Tickets for tomorrow night.

[ZeN]

Got the IMAX 3D Tickets for tomorrow night.


Right On.. :applause:

[BlazersDozen]

Nerd Movie...

[AtomSmasher]

Nerd Movie...
talk nerdy to me

[pete's montreux]

Most, if not all of the reviews that I read either a] praise Cameron for the effects and barely mention the overall story, or b] praise Cameron for the effects and slam the overall movie.

From what I gather, the effects make the movie. And for most people, that's enough, I guess. :confusedshrug:

[goldenryan]

i think this movie will gross alot. over $700 mil worldwide. even if it sucks it will break even.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Most, if not all of the reviews that I read either a] praise Cameron for the effects and barely mention the overall story, or b] praise Cameron for the effects and slam the overall movie.

From what I gather, the effects make the movie. And for most people, that's enough, I guess. :confusedshrug:


Here is the story:

A $hit load of humans with robots and machine guns fight a $hit load of Aliens with Dragons... and all this takes place on another planet.

[pete's montreux]

Here is the story:

A $hit load of humans with robots and machine guns fight a $hit load of Aliens with Dragons... and all this takes place on another planet.

I know what the story is, simpleton. :rolleyes:

I guess you're one of those people. All thrill, no substance.

[Doomsday Dallas]

I know what the story is, simpleton. :rolleyes:

I guess you're one of those people. All thrill, no substance.

No I am not one of those people...

I just think if there is no substance in this particular film... it won't matter.

[pete's montreux]

No I am not one of those people...

I just think if there is no substance in this particular film... it won't matter.

How is that not exactly what I'm talking about?

A polished turd still tastes like sh*t.

[Randy]

I know what the story is, simpleton. :rolleyes:

I guess you're one of those people. All thrill, no substance.
You're pretty presumptuous for not having seen it yet.

[pete's montreux]

You're pretty presumptuous for not having seen it yet.

Or I've read over 50 reviews for it. 90% of them saying the same exact thing.

[Randy]

Or I've read over 50 reviews for it. 90% of them saying the same exact thing.

You've read 50 reviews?!

The story to Star Trek was average at best but it still kicked ass. Effects used properly with interesting characters can compensate for watered down story.

[pete's montreux]

You've read 50 reviews?!

The story to Star Trek was average at best but it still kicked ass. Effects used properly with interesting characters can compensate for watered down story.

Do I stutter?

[Randy]

Do I stutter?
Probably around girls.

[pete's montreux]

Probably around girls.

Good one.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

Probably catch an afternoon show tomorrow. Really hope it doesn't suck.

[takeittothehoop]

Going to see it on Monday..I think it should be good..let's just hope it isn't one of those movies with tons of hype and when you go see it, it falls way short of expectations.

[goldenryan]

Going to see it on Monday..I think it should be good..let's just hope it isn't one of those movies with tons of hype and when you go see it, it falls way short of expectations.

fantastic four
transformers
x-men 3
spiderman 3
the day after tomorrow
2012

[MK2V1GP]

fantastic four
transformers
x-men 3
spiderman 3
the day after tomorrow
2012

I watched Spiderman 3 earlier on FX. Wow. I forgot how brutal and way off that movie was. Spiderman 3 is a JOKE! Such a bad movie.

[pete's montreux]

Hancock is another one.

[Randy]

fantastic four
transformers
x-men 3
spiderman 3
the day after tomorrow
2012

Outside of Spiderman 3, if you had high hopes for any of those movie then you're just... I don't know, but you're pretty dumb.

[Doomsday Dallas]

James Cameron Reveals his Liberal beliefs in Avatar... on Today Show

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=GdaGaG4zVr

[OneMoreSucka]

I'll download it

[blasian]

I'll download it

If you're gonna watch a film like this on the computer, I better not see complaints about the "visuals/cgi being overrated"

[oneeyeddeacon]

I thought the movie looked kind of boring when I saw the trailers, but after seeing The Abyss and rewatching Aliens, I remembered just how damn good a filmmaker James Cameron is, so I might check it out.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

If you're gonna watch a film like this on the computer, I better not see complaints about the "visuals/cgi being overrated"
:oldlol:

[plowking]

it cost 200-300 mill.

It went well over budget and was reported to have cost half a billion now.

[Chamberlain]

Just got back from the midnight release. Amazing. I'm blown away.

[ukplayer4]

It went well over budget and was reported to have cost half a billion now.



er, no. it went over its 200 mill budget and is rumoured to have cost up to 300.



btw, i saw avatar last night and yes, despite my reservations...it is pretty awesome. maybe even "a game changer" as people have labelled it. now it is a bit preechy and "important", it also has some horrible moments of dialogue but as a visual experience it is absoloutly mesmerising for the first 2 hours...it actually only drags once the final battle starts such is beauty and detail of the world he creates- and he really does create a whole world, you can see how this took a long time to realise. anyway, im sure it goes without saying that you must see it in 3d. i am quite the critic of cgi but even i forgot i was looking at cgi such is the degree of interest and beauty the film immerses you in.
cameron has clearly used alot of the ideas from aliens in avatar, thats not a criticism just an observation.

[ukplayer4]

fantastic four
transformers
x-men 3
spiderman 3
the day after tomorrow
2012



as randy has said, if you had high expectations for any of these you are either 7 years old or have a severe learning disability.

[~primetime~]

Just got back from the midnight release. Amazing. I'm blown away.
this is good news...

[andgar923]

er, no. it went over its 200 mill budget and is rumoured to have cost up to 300.



btw, i saw avatar last night and yes, despite my reservations...it is pretty awesome. maybe even "a game changer" as people have labelled it. now it is a bit preechy and "important", it also has some horrible moments of dialogue but as a visual experience it is absoloutly mesmerising for the first 2 hours...it actually only drags once the final battle starts such is beauty and detail of the world he creates- and he really does create a whole world, you can see how this took a long time to realise. anyway, im sure it goes without saying that you must see it in 3d. i am quite the critic of cgi but even i forgot i was looking at cgi such is the degree of interest and beauty the film immerses you in.
cameron has clearly used alot of the ideas from aliens in avatar, thats not a criticism just an observation.

I remember your reservations, and I know how critical you are when it comes to films, I'm glad you enjoyed it. I'll try to watch it in imax 3-D.

[spree43]

Visual Effects 10/10

Story 7/10

And thats not knocking the movie, I almost expected the story to be 3/10, like transformers

The story is solid ... no big plot holes, solid enough that you dont get distracted from the visuals to think "Why did that happen?"

I didnt think it was Matrix good, where the visuals are incredible and the story is mind blowing ... the visuals in the Avatar were "game changing" just like the Matrix, but just a solid storyline ... which still makes it a great viewing experience overall

[kentatm]

er, no. it went over its 200 mill budget and is rumoured to have cost up to 300.



btw, i saw avatar last night and yes, despite my reservations...it is pretty awesome. maybe even "a game changer" as people have labelled it. now it is a bit preechy and "important", it also has some horrible moments of dialogue but as a visual experience it is absoloutly mesmerising for the first 2 hours...it actually only drags once the final battle starts such is beauty and detail of the world he creates- and he really does create a whole world, you can see how this took a long time to realise. anyway, im sure it goes without saying that you must see it in 3d. i am quite the critic of cgi but even i forgot i was looking at cgi such is the degree of interest and beauty the film immerses you in.
cameron has clearly used alot of the ideas from aliens in avatar, thats not a criticism just an observation.

yea, I feel about the same as you did on it. I agree that this MUST be seen in 3D. The depth of field the film accomplishes is mesmerizing. I loved that they did not really rely so much on pop out at you effects like other films such as Journey to the Center of the Earth 3D did.


**potential spoilers**
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I didn't think it dragged in the final battle so much as it seemed as if the way they won was anticlimatic. I mean, damn. Just call in the animals at the start and the battle would have been done in about 2 minutes.

I wonder why they even got some name actors for the smaller roles b/c they were essentially wasted. Giovanni Ribisi and Sigourney Weaver feel like afterthoughts but Michelle Rodriguez may as well be a cameo with how little she is given to work with. Perhaps the studio wanted a shorter film and the character development suffered for it?

[goldenryan]

as randy has said, if you had high expectations for any of these you are either 7 years old or have a severe learning disability.
ok i didn't think transformers, and the day after tomorrow would be good. why is think x3 would be decent a crime? the second x-men was pretty good. :confusedshrug: as for both fantastic four movies there's no amount of rum and coke i could've sneaked into the theater to make that pos enjoyable.

[plowking]

er, no. it went over its 200 mill budget and is rumoured to have cost up to 300.



btw, i saw avatar last night and yes, despite my reservations...it is pretty awesome. maybe even "a game changer" as people have labelled it. now it is a bit preechy and "important", it also has some horrible moments of dialogue but as a visual experience it is absoloutly mesmerising for the first 2 hours...it actually only drags once the final battle starts such is beauty and detail of the world he creates- and he really does create a whole world, you can see how this took a long time to realise. anyway, im sure it goes without saying that you must see it in 3d. i am quite the critic of cgi but even i forgot i was looking at cgi such is the degree of interest and beauty the film immerses you in.
cameron has clearly used alot of the ideas from aliens in avatar, thats not a criticism just an observation.

Once again, I shall post, it went over that, with nearly every major and minor source reporting either "well over $300 million" or "near half a billion"...

http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/11/08/avatars-budget-is-almost-500-million-can-it-make-a-profit/

[ukplayer4]

Once again, I shall post, it went over that, with nearly every major and minor source reporting either "well over $300 million" or "near half a billion"...

http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/11/08/avatars-budget-is-almost-500-million-can-it-make-a-profit/



isnt it enough that it officially cost 250 million dollars and many have speculated it has escalated to over 300 mill???
you are being quite silly- that link you provided clearly is about the film making its money back, the 500 mill referes distinctly to "including marketing costs". the actual budget of the film is rumoured by most to have exceeded 300 mill in the end but this is not an official figure. it is enough that it is the most expensive film ever made, you dont need to try and blow everything out of context, it wont make the film any better. the reason avatar is good is because cameron spent so long coming up with all the life forms and details of pandorum, coupled with some interesting technological advancements. grow up. i think what is leading to confussion here is that there are alot of people hyping the expense of this film. partially because it has taken so long to be finished and also because of camerons tendency to go over budget. all the headlines that stand out as "avatar cost 500 million?" and "did avatar really cost 500 million" etc etc etc either give away that they are speculating massive marketing costs of close to 200 mill or relate to how much the film needs to take back in order to make money and cover all its "costs". so essentially the same thing.

[plowking]

why do you feel the need to pretend it cost so much money? isnt it enough that it officially cost 250 million dollars and many have speculated it has escalated to just over 300 mill???
you are being quite silly- that link you provided clearly is about the film making its money back, the 500 mill referes distinctly to "including marketing costs". the actual budget of the film is rumoured by most to have exceeded 300 mill in the end but this is not an official figure. it is enough that it is the most expensive film ever made, you dont need to try and blow everything out of context, it wont make the film any better. the reason avatar is good is because cameron spent so long coming up with all the life forms and details of pandorum, coupled with some interesting technological advancements. grow up.

How about you f*ck off you elitist minded prick?

Yeah, I'm sure it took the other $200 million to market the thing... :rolleyes:

I couldn't care less how much it cost to make a movie, yet every media source tells me it is half a billion dollars. I'd gladly take their quote over yours. The fact that you cared so much about a throwaway comment that wasn't the topic of discussion in my post really is retarded on your part.

[ukplayer4]

How about you f*ck off you elitist minded prick?

Yeah, I'm sure it took the other $200 million to market the thing... :rolleyes:

I couldn't care less how much it cost to make a movie, yet every media source tells me it is half a billion dollars. I'd gladly take their quote over yours. The fact that you cared so much about a throwaway comment that wasn't the topic of discussion in my post really is retarded on your part.



except the media sources dont tell you it cost half a billion at all, thats just the headline they use to grab the attention of people such as yourself that only get excited about seeing massive sums of money being spent on things regardless of wether or not it makes any sense.

[KubiliusF]

Remember when you first played GTA3? Well i do. Same "wow" factor in this movie. It aint perfect , but i`ll be damned if i`m not saying it had my attention like no other movie. ever.

[oneeyeddeacon]

except the media sources dont tell you it cost half a billion at all, thats just the headline they use to grab the attention of people such as yourself that only get excited about seeing massive sums of money being spent on things regardless of wether or not it makes any sense.
I was once told that the studios don't really think it's any of the public's business how much a movie costs, so they just double their actual budget and release that to the press as their official budget to draw more people in.

[asd]

whatever happened to that 'cgi is overrated' thread?

[pete's montreux]

whatever happened to that 'cgi is overrated' thread?

I can bump it if you want.

[ZeN]

I can bump it if you want.


NOOOOO

[asd]

I can bump it if you want.

you're not going to watch this overrated-cgi-laced pos movie, are you, pete?

[Randy]

Who cares what Pete thinks, AVATAR KICKS ASS

IMAX 3-D or bust. What a ride.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Who cares what Pete thinks, AVATAR KICKS ASS

IMAX 3-D or bust. What a ride.


good to hear...


I trust your opinion because you usually think most movies are terrible.
(most movies that are decent).

[pete's montreux]

you're not going to watch this overrated-cgi-laced pos movie, are you, pete?

I'll download the Blu Ray when it comes out, most likely. I try to watch most movies, even if I don't necessarily like the idea or premise.

And stop calling me Pete like you know me.

[asd]

I'll download the Blu Ray when it comes out, most likely. I try to watch most movies, even if I don't necessarily like the idea or premise.

you don't like the premise. You think that cgi is overrated. Do yourself a favor and just skip it.



And stop calling me Pete like you know me.

whatever you say, pete.

[pete's montreux]

you don't like the premise. You think that cgi is overrated. Do yourself a favor and just skip it.



whatever you say, pete.

I don't? News to me. You just won't quit, will you? That thread really got under your skin. :oldlol:

I've seen you post less than five times, all of them quoting me or directly involving me.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

Great movie. Graphics were ridiculous and the story was above average. Overall I would give it 8.5/10. The graphics really are mind blowing though, I watched it in digital 3-D and it was amazing. Definitely need to watch this movie in theatres.

And on a side note, I was wondering if this movie was playing regularly, without 3-D, because if it doesn't, people can't bootleg leg it on the internet.

*Spoiler*

And the poster that brought up the bit about the animals kicking ass from the start, it was because first they battled the humans alone, then their god helped them by making the animals join the fight, I didn't really find that anticlimactic.

[asd]

You just won't quit, will you? That thread really got under your skin. :oldlol:
.

You nailed it, Pete. You are the obstinate village idiot.
Isn't it your job?

[pete's montreux]

You nailed it, Pete. You are the obstinate village idiot.
Isn't it your job?

Yup, you mad.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

The theater in my town is playing it regularly, no 3-d. A town a half hour away is in 3-d.

I'm not going to see the movie, but just telling you about the non 3d since you asked.Thanks for the info.

[asd]

Yup, you mad.

mad at how a movie that you were criticizing has turned around and is now being praised by other posters?

i'm so mad.

[pete's montreux]

mad at how a movie that you were criticizing has turned around and is now being praised by other posters?

i'm so mad.

The point of my topic went so far over your head. We're talking satellite distance here. Somewhere in the cosmos.

[asd]

The point of my topic went so far over your head. We're talking satellite distance here. Somewhere in the cosmos.


now, you're just reaching.

yup, you mad :oldlol:

[pete's montreux]

The theater in my town is playing it regularly, no 3-d. A town a half hour away is in 3-d.

I'm not going to see the movie, but just telling you about the non 3d since you asked.

Do they have a Chunky's near you? It'd be awesome to watch it at an IMAX Chunky's theater.

[Randy]

Pete is incredibly bitter and lamely pretentious.

[pete's montreux]

Pete is incredibly bitter and lamely pretentious.

You just described yourself to a T. What happened to your big mouth when Denver stopped winning games? You disappeared. :confusedshrug:

You talk a lot, then disappear for weeks and then come back and start your bullsh*t process again.

[Randy]

Cool story, bro. You're still acting like a little bitch.

[pete's montreux]

yap yap yap i see lots of flapping lips per usual

[T.O.RAPS]

1st time i saw the preview this movie looked real good, but as time goes on and late nite talk shows show parts and the more trailers on t.v are shown i think imma save my money and check it out when a good torrent comes out...

[Doomsday Dallas]

IMAX was sold out...

gonna just see it in Digital 3-D



DAMN!!!

[Doomsday Dallas]

IMAX 3-D or bust. What a ride.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499549/board/thread/153701410?d=153701410&p=1#153701410


:confusedshrug:


I'll find out what is better... because I will see it in a IMAX theater sometime in the future.

[DirtBag]

Just saw it in Imax today.. two thumbs up.. had it's flaws but overall a good movie. I really enjoyed it, and will be buying it in blu ray whenever that may be.

[oneeyeddeacon]

Just saw it. Not bad, but not great either.

The effects are really, really, really, really good. Like, the level of detail they go into is amazing. I really hope this movie does well because I want to see more sci-fi movies with effects as good as these. Even though the rest of the movie isn't anything special, you will get your money's worth just by the visuals. After all, film, isn't a plot-based or character-based or music-based medium, it's a visual one, and as one, it is very effective.

But while plot, characters, and music aren't completely necessary to make a film effective, they definitely don't hurt, and Avatar could've been so much more interesting if it used them more effectively.

I'm blaming the music. Yeah, the story was basic, predictable, and derivative, but that's not even the main issue; a lot of my favorite movies are remakes or have predictable, derivative plots. The acting was even pretty good, though not memorable, but the film for some reason lacked any real intensity, especially compared to Cameron's other films like Terminator, Aliens, The Abyss, or even Titanic. With a more effective score, I think the movie would've probably been so much more engrossing.

Definitely something to check out in theaters, but not something I'd want to see again.

6/10 from me.

Oh I saw it in 3D as well, and it really reinforced how much I absolutely HATE 3D.

[gibbo3000]

My first thoughts on the movie

http://www.stopmikelupica.com/images/Anthony%20Randolph%20Neck.jpg

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/104/1041260/avatar-20091102045758452_640w.jpg

[ukplayer4]

Who cares what Pete thinks, AVATAR KICKS ASS

IMAX 3-D or bust. What a ride.





wow a modern film that you appreciate, it is the season of miracles.

[ukplayer4]

pete, seriously you need to watch it in 3d, we were all sceptical(those that matter). bite the bullet man..see it in 3d, let it immerse you.

[IlliniFan]

Caught it in imax 3d yesterday (had to drive 30 mins to closes imax theater, got lost and barely got there on time) and it was amazing..Place was absolutely packed for a 3:15 showing. You're cheating yourself if you don't see this movie in a theater. Really a fun movie to watch.

[asd]

pete, seriously you need to watch it in 3d, we were all sceptical(those that matter). bite the bullet man..see it in 3d, let it immerse you.


pete's head will literally blow up if he watches a movie that's good because of cgi

[embersyc]

Saw it last night and was absolutely blown away. This movie HAS to be seen at a theatre in 3D.

If this movie don't win every damn technical achievement and special effects award this year something is not right.

I went in expecting another lame overblown CG fest, but I was floored from beginning to end. EVERY SCENE in this movie is visually stunning. Nobody has ever made a movie like this before.

["Jesus"]

IMAX 3D or just 3D or just IMAX?

I'm so confused.

[pete's montreux]

pete, seriously you need to watch it in 3d, we were all sceptical(those that matter). bite the bullet man..see it in 3d, let it immerse you.

Maybe next weekend. I don't know, I'd much rather go see the Road.

[1987_Lakers]

Saw the movie last night. The graphic work is awesome, while the storyline is above average. I give it 8/10.

[oneeyeddeacon]

You guys really liked the 3d? I had a headache for 8 hours after watching Avatar in 3d...

[ZeN]

You guys really liked the 3d? I had a headache for 8 hours after watching Avatar in 3d...


Just because you may not be able to handle it, doesn't mean that its a nuisance to everyone else.

[mbell75]

I will admit, I was wrong about this when I saw the trailers. I thought it was going to be another CGI cartoon with a lame plot and acting, was far from that. The CGI was pretty incredible, the acting wasnt bad and the story was pretty good. Overall I would say 8/10 and I will for sure see it again. You MUST see it on the big screen and in 3D.

[oneeyeddeacon]

Maybe next weekend. I don't know, I'd much rather go see the Road.
Avatar is DEFINITELY better than The Road.

[T.O.RAPS]

over or under 100mill opening weekend? i say under

[mbell75]

over or under 100mill opening weekend? i say under

Tough call. Considering its playing in standard, 3D and IMAX 3D, that will be alot of screens. Plus, IMAX tix are like $15+ a ticket. Thats alot of cash per screen.

[Knicks101]

Just came back from watching this. It was good, not great. There's no reason to watch it in 3D though in my opinion. Especially if you have to pay 5 dollars more like I did. :rolleyes:

[mbell75]

Just came back from watching this. It was good, not great. There's no reason to watch it in 3D though in my opinion. Especially if you have to pay 5 dollars more like I did. :rolleyes:

Huh? Everything on Pandora is awesome in 3D, feels like you are there. Not so much viewing it standard IMO. I walked into the non 3D for a few minutes and it wasnt nearly as nice.

[ZeN]

Huh? Everything on Pandora is awesome in 3D, feels like you are there. Not so much viewing it standard IMO. I walked into the non 3D for a few minutes and it wasnt nearly as nice.

If paying 5 extra dollars is part of the reason why you are downgrading a film, then I have to question that persons judgement to begin with.

The price you payed to view a film shouldn't curve your view of its merits.

Assuming the person has good merit judging skills, anywayz...

[Heilige]

If paying 5 extra dollars is part of the reason why you are downgrading a film, then I have to question to that persons judgement to begin with.

The price you payed to view a film shouldn't curve your view of its merits.

Assuming the person has good merit judging skills, anywayz...


Have you watched Avatar yet? If so, what were your thoughts on it? I hope to see it next week.

[kshutts1]

Wow, I couldn't stand this movie. I saw it in 3-D and the graphics were pretty solid, but the "shock and awe" of them wore off after the first 15 minutes...

I should have known I wouldn't like it, though.. ever since video games started going graphics crazy, I've lost interest, and this movie was the same way. Graphics don't hold my interest, it's everything else that does. This movie was just too.. slow! It felt like a documentary for the majority of the three hours. No thanks.

[ZeN]

Have you watched Avatar yet? If so, what were your thoughts on it? I hope to see it next week.


I havent yet. I will be watching it tomorrow evening, hopefully in IMAX 3D.

[Aldridge Fan]

IMax is like 15 dollars a person! WTF has gone wrong with watching movies in a theater these days? Especially in the economy times we have to deal with. There's been a dramatic increase in prices over the years!

[ZeN]

IMax is like 15 dollars a person! WTF has gone wrong with watching movies in a theater these days? Especially in the economy times we have to deal with. There's been a dramatic increase in prices over the years!


You barely found this out?? :oldlol:

[InspiredLebowski]

I see zen's following my avatar (the user avatar, not the movie) lead

[mbell75]

If paying 5 extra dollars is part of the reason why you are downgrading a film, then I have to question to that persons judgement to begin with.

The price you payed to view a film shouldn't curve your view of its merits.

Assuming the person has good merit judging skills, anywayz...

Umm, you havent even seen it dude. It has nothing to do with money paid. The IMAX 3D presentation is superior to the standard version of the film. I dont think much explanation should be needed as to why. Try seeing it first :rolleyes:

[IlliniFan]

I see zen's following my avatar (the user avatar, not the movie) lead
I love that comic. My favorite one in the paper. They had the most hilarious strip that I saved from a few years back. I think my sister still has it up on her wall.

[pete's montreux]

Umm, you havent even seen it dude. It has nothing to do with money paid. The IMAX 3D presentation is superior to the standard version of the film. I dont think much explanation should be needed as to why. Try seeing it first :rolleyes:

You're such a f*cking idiot It's not even funny.

Nothing to do with money? That's exactly what the f*ck he's saying.

[ZeN]

I see zen's following my avatar (the user avatar, not the movie) lead


probably wont stay long.. ive changed it five time already.. I have no clue which one I want to use.. :oldlol:

[pete's montreux]

Zen I just noticed you're the first user I've ever seen registered in 2006, but not in June. A month late? Noob

[IlliniFan]

Zen I just noticed you're the first user I've ever seen registered in 2006, but not in June. A month late? Noob
Don't hate.

[ZeN]

Zen I just noticed you're the first user I've ever seen registered in 2006, but not in June. A month late? Noob


I lurked for a month.. :oldlol:

[JtotheIzzo]

back on point...

good movie, a lot of things to think about, a lot of parallels to real life and I like the fact that humans are the evil aliens for once.

one thing that bugged me though was the fact that they sometimes wore oxygen masks and other times they were sitting in their planes with the doors open and no masks on. you'd think they would have caught that.

[Waking_Life]

Umm, you havent even seen it dude. It has nothing to do with money paid. The IMAX 3D presentation is superior to the standard version of the film. I dont think much explanation should be needed as to why. Try seeing it first :rolleyes:


you stupid homie, you just quoted a freakin' p'graph where zen dawg said that dollaz aint what makes ya holla. Itz the good stuff you find in the film.

You needz reading comprehension homie, ya heard? Word.

[pete's montreux]

Don't hate.

I'm trying not to. :lol

[Waking_Life]

Zen I just noticed you're the first user I've ever seen registered in 2006, but not in June. A month late? Noob

jan 2007 < july 2008


it iz wut it iz

[Quata]

Was sick. If you are planning on seeing it high, see the 3d sober first then see 2d blazed after. Saw it ripped in 3d 2nd time around, and yeah it was soooo much effort focusing your eyes and ****, was too much of a hassle i found, could just have been that i was tired as **** as well.

Having said that, movie was badass, i could spend the whole thing just looking at the environment and the pretty animals and flowers haha.

[mbell75]

You're such a f*cking idiot It's not even funny.

Nothing to do with money? That's exactly what the f*ck he's saying.

I never said anything about the money I paid to see it, You clowns need to read to learn

[andgar923]

back on point...

good movie, a lot of things to think about, a lot of parallels to real life and I like the fact that humans are the evil aliens for once.

one thing that bugged me though was the fact that they sometimes wore oxygen masks and other times they were sitting in their planes with the doors open and no masks on. you'd think they would have caught that.

LOL very true

Another thing...... one would've assumed that a gun shot wound would be cured easily with the technological advancements of that time.

And was I the only one thinking of the marvelous and how glorious pron would look like in imax 3-d?

Just imagine Eve Angel's gorgeous a$$ in front of you in 3-D!!!!

I agree with most of the reviews here and everwhere else:

overall 8/10

Story wasn't original, very predictable but was still handled well.

Technology was great, def a game changer. I can see this usher in a new era in cinema and perhaps save it for the time being.

I can't wait to see what the future brings, and how filmmakers will use this new technology.

[ZeN]

I never said anything about the money I paid to see it, You clowns need to read to learn


Everything originated from this..


Just came back from watching this. It was good, not great. There's no reason to watch it in 3D though in my opinion. Especially if you have to pay 5 dollars more like I did. :rolleyes:


He said that the dollar amount in a way alters its worth and merit.

I claim it doesnt.

Also I think if a film has stellar visuals, then its worth watching in 3D.

I think its personal preference hes ref to.

And sure I will have more weight to speak after I view it.



Thats purty much it.. the rest is superfluous..:ohwell:

[Knicks101]

Everything originated from this..




He said that the dollar amount in a way alters its worth and merit.

I claim it doesnt.

Also I think if a film has stellar visuals, then its worth watching in 3D.

I think its personal preference hes ref to.

And sure I will have more weight to speak after I view it.



Thats purty much it.. the rest is superfluous..:ohwell:

I'm not saying don't see it in 3D because it costs more. I'm saying that seeing it in 3D didn't make any difference, it was in 3D just for the sake of being in 3D. Maybe in IMAX it's a different story but in a regular movie theater there was no point. If you're watching it in a regular movie theater don't bother, especially if you have to pay more. Ya feel me?

[JustinJDW]

Probably going to see this movie today. Looking forward to it. :pimp:

[BlueCrayon]

when I first heard of this movie I thought it was Avatar the last Airbender

:confusedshrug:

[Rockets(T-mac)]

Yeah the whole thing with the masks was kind of inconsistent.


Another thing...... one would've assumed that a gun shot wound would be cured easily with the technological advancements of that time. Yeah that had me asking questions too, it was just a regular gunshot wound and she died?


And was I the only one thinking of the marvelous and how glorious pron would look like in imax 3-d?

Just imagine Eve Angel's gorgeous a$$ in front of you in 3-D!!!! You my friend, you are a genius. :applause:

[oneeyeddeacon]

Another thing...... one would've assumed that a gun shot wound would be cured easily with the technological advancements of that time.

A gunshot wound is still a gunshot wound. The fact that they still even use bullets means that bullet wounds are about as easy to survive in the future as they are now. Also remember that the woman didn't have any access to medical attention, so even if the bullet didn't hit any vital organs, the blood loss from the long helicopter flight would've killed her anyways. The only way to survive blood loss is a blood transfusion, and given that they had just escaped from prison, obtaining blood isn't the easiest thing to do...

[andgar923]

A gunshot wound is still a gunshot wound. The fact that they still even use bullets means that bullet wounds are about as easy to survive in the future as they are now. Also remember that the woman didn't have any access to medical attention, so even if the bullet didn't hit any vital organs, the blood loss from the long helicopter flight would've killed her anyways. The only way to survive blood loss is a blood transfusion, and given that they had just escaped from prison, obtaining blood isn't the easiest thing to do...
true

[T.O.RAPS]

movie made $73 mill in north america, movie execs blame it on the snow storm on the east coast. but made an estimated $232.2 mill worldwide...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/21/movies/21box.html

[takeittothehoop]

Just got back from it. Was definetly a very good movie, it kinda drifted off for a while in the middle, but the ending was spectacular. I didn't see it in 3D..too expensive.

[andgar923]

Just got back from it. Was definetly a very good movie, it kinda drifted off for a while in the middle, but the ending was spectacular. I didn't see it in 3D..too expensive.


Huh?

That's like ordering a cheeseburger without cheese.
A meat lover's pizza without any meat.
Or watching pron for the storyline.

[BankShot]

Huh?

That's like ordering a cheeseburger without cheese.
A meat lover's pizza without any meat.
Or watching pron for the storyline.

Ha, i know, too expensive?? The extra three bucks was too much??

[takeittothehoop]

So, Im a bit of a cheapo, I didn't want to see 3D anyway, it wasn't really about money. I'm glad I didn't.

[IlliniFan]

So, Im a bit of a cheapo, I didn't want to see 3D anyway, it wasn't really about money. I'm glad I didn't.
No you're not.

[The Big Skinny]

since when was the extra 4 bucks so ridiculous that you pay to see the non-3d....whats more ridiculous is the fact that movies these days are 11 dollars...the extra 4 dollars was well worth it...i can find that in coins around my couch if i look hard enough

[andgar923]

Also no offense to 'takeittothehoop' (really), but after the movie my boy and I were saying how only a complete idiot would watch the non 3-D version. I kid you not, that's what we were talking about after the film was over. It didn't make any sense for a logical person to watch it as a normal conventional film (I mean.... that's o pre Avatar).

The biggest selling point and the main reason Avatar was even MADE was to be SEEN AS A 3-D FILM!!!

Not watching it as a 3-D film is suited perfectly for an Onion headline:

Man opts to watch Avatar without the 3-D glasses.

[zabuza666]

Saw this movie today.

Was so ****ing good.

[bigkingsfan]

Also no offense to 'takeittothehoop' (really), but after the movie my boy and I were saying how only a complete idiot would watch the non 3-D version. I kid you not, that's what we were talking about after the film was over. It didn't make any sense for a logical person to watch it as a normal conventional film (I mean.... that's o pre Avatar).

The biggest selling point and the main reason Avatar was even MADE was to be SEEN AS A 3-D FILM!!!

Not watching it as a 3-D film is suited perfectly for an Onion headline:

Man opts to watch Avatar without the 3-D glasses.
This is true, I will watch it again in theater, because once it comes on bluray, the experience will never be the same again.

[Pimpdaddy311991]

Tell me not who else would F*** this **** out of the chick avatar

[plowking]

Just came back from the movies, and wow...

This is one of the best movies I've seen in a long time. The storyline was fantastic and very original, to the point that a storyline similar to this has been explored, though the way in which it was presented was original. At this point with a ridiculous amount of books written and movies made, its impossible to come up with something completely original.

The special effects... well it's clearly the best we've seen.

Overall, I'd give it a 9/10, and probably in my top 5 favorite movies.

[ErhnamDjinn]

I was expecting a Final Fantasy Spirits within movie, so was not expecting anything, I was just blown away, great movie, above average story, superb CGI, I didnt even know what were the actors and what was real. Will watch again in IMAX to fully enjoy the experience

[asd]

I was expecting a Final Fantasy Spirits within movie, so was not expecting anything, I was just blown away, great movie, above average story, superb CGI, I didnt even know what were the actors and what was real. Will watch again in IMAX to fully enjoy the experience


but, but, but CGI is overrated. it's just a cartoon.

[ZeN]

I have to admit, the blue chick was supa' sexy...:oldlol:

[embersyc]

Bunch of closet furries on this board apparently.

[Waking_Life]

Bunch of closet furries on this board apparently.


We preffer the term 'blurries'.

[andgar923]

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43444

Must click if you're an Avatar fan.

[Aldridge Fan]

Went to go see it today in 'RealD 3D'. This is the first time seeing a movie with 3D glasses. Took some time to get use to but really enjoyed it.

I thought the story was pretty good. It might have been a copy of 'Dances with Wolves' story but had it's own touch and to be honest, the movie was all about the effects and that was the main focus.

I was pretty amazed by the 3D animation of the characters. They were pretty much flawless and convincing throughout the movie. I like how JC introduced the animations subtly when Jake Sully entered the alien world through his eyes. That really helped meld the animation with the real world.

That mech scene with Colonel Miles Quaritch was very cool. Stephen Lang did a good job as the gung ho villan.

Great movie. James Cameron never disappoints me.

9/10

[macmac]

Apparently this movie is based on a true story

["Jesus"]

Just watched it.
It was fantastical.

[TheSituation]

Went to go see it today in 'RealD 3D'. This is the first time seeing a movie with 3D glasses. Took some time to get use to but really enjoyed it.

I thought the story was pretty good. It might have been a copy of 'Dances with Wolves' story but had it's own touch and to be honest, the movie was all about the effects and that was the main focus.

I was pretty amazed by the 3D animation of the characters. They were pretty much flawless and convincing throughout the movie. I like how JC introduced the animations subtly when Jake Sully entered the alien world through his eyes. That really helped meld the animation with the real world.

That mech scene with Colonel Miles Quaritch was very cool. Stephen Lang did a good job as the gung ho villan.

Great movie. James Cameron never disappoints me.

9/10


Is it REAL 3d? like seeing everything project 3 dimensionally towards you from the screen 3D?

[plowking]

Apparently this movie is based on a true story

It's actually based on James Cameron's life. So yes.



Possible spoiler***


Did every one else think the lizards that had a helicopter type flying system was the coolest animal? It just seemed so useless and hillarious. Just flying there on the spot... :oldlol:

[Aldridge Fan]

Is it REAL 3d? like seeing everything project 3 dimensionally towards you from the screen 3D?Um...I'm not quite sure how to answer your question since this is my first time with a 3D movie but the movie was directed for 3D and the glasses really added the effect.

For instance, when I saw the first scene with Jake in his sleeping pod looking at a drip of water or something, it was basically in my face, above his. Tripped me out! After a while you get use to it and becomes the ordinary but still effective. Hopefully that answers your question. You definitely see 2 layers of perspective; foreground and background separately and I think that's how the camera actually works from my thoughts but may be wrong. It is pretty cool.

[oh the horror]

Great movie. Although the story seemed to be a blatant rip off from Dances with Wolves....and certain aspects of the movie were somewhat cheesy for my personal tastes...it still was a cool movie. I enjoyed it.


It DOES drag somewhat at certain points, and the CGI throughout just gets a bit tiresome, but its an entertaining flick no doubt.

[SCdac]

Not the most original of all stories or anything... but damn the movie was excellent, and will probably change the way I look at movies now... really good stuff... Definitely a 9/10 at the least, in my book.

[enayes]

great movie, might see it for a second time with my brothers, 9/10

[MaxFly]

I saw it this afternoon in IMAX 3D... Great movie. I'd actually see it again in theaters. The story line was great and the graphics were absolutely amazing.

[Hawker]

bump for konex

[Hawker]

You just described yourself to a T. What happened to your big mouth when Denver stopped winning games? You disappeared. :confusedshrug:

You talk a lot, then disappear for weeks and then come back and start your bullsh*t process again.

lol...this is true.

But pete can suck it. Avatar was badass. All that matters is whether a movie is entertaining. If it's entertaining, it has done its job!

Saw it in IMAX 3-D too. No other way to see it really.

[embersyc]

Saw it in IMAX 3-D too. No other way to see it really.

Real D 3D > IMAX 3D unless you are seeing it at a REAL IMAX theater, not the bull**** ones that are suddenly popping up all over the place.

[kshutts1]

It's actually based on James Cameron's life. So yes.



Possible spoiler***


Did every one else think the lizards that had a helicopter type flying system was the coolest animal? It just seemed so useless and hillarious. Just flying there on the spot... :oldlol:
Huh?

[picc84]

Whats with everyone complaining about the rehashed storyline? Why does it make a difference if the movie is awesome? I know exactly whats coming every time I get ready to **** a girl but its still great.

Also, I dont know why anyone would want to watch this movie in anything but 3d. The movie was made to be seen in 3d.

[sergiorodriguez]

Check out the Frank Herbert book called The Jesus Incident

A world called PANDORA where all life is linked into a large entity with a shared consciousness called AVATA.

The humans are from a dying Earth, but live in forts because of the harsh conditions of the planet. The main character works in lab altering humans to give them the ability to operate more freely on the planet. The altered humans end up in conflict with the "normal" humans.

Also check out Dune by Frank Herbert-unobtainium is like the spice in dune, and it involves a character from off planet becoming a native, fulfilling a messiah prophecy, and taking out the invaders with superior technology, because the planets weather prevents that tech from being used

[tian820]

I finally saw it last night. I enjoyed it about as much as I thought I would, which was great. I didn't mind the story or that it was rather long. It just added to the incredible special effects and action. I enjoyed it a lot and am tempted to go see it again in IMAX 3D this time (was just normal 3D yesterday). I'm interested to see if the oversized screen does add another element or not. The 3D was really well done, but if you paid attention, obviously the images cut off where the screen does. In IMAX, I can only imagine you feel even more immersed in the world on screen.

[Fatal9]

I know what the story is, simpleton. :rolleyes:

I guess you're one of those people. All thrill, no substance.
Dude...you have no right to be a film snob at all, much less call people simpletons (iirc, you hadn't even seen a single Kurosawa film when I mentioned it in the rate last film thread. if you ever brought that fact to any sort of a serious film discussion, you would get laughed at and then ignored). I haven't seen Avatar, but will this weekend, and from what I've read, every major critic was blown away by it in the theater.

You can dislike the film if you find it shallow, predictable and whatever other criticisms exist about this movie, but there's no reason to be a d*ck about what other people want to see (especially when you yourself haven't seen films that would be "essential" for any film enthusiast).

[ZeN]

Check out the Frank Herbert book called The Jesus Incident

A world called PANDORA where all life is linked into a large entity with a shared consciousness called AVATA.

The humans are from a dying Earth, but live in forts because of the harsh conditions of the planet. The main character works in lab altering humans to give them the ability to operate more freely on the planet. The altered humans end up in conflict with the "normal" humans.

Also check out Dune by Frank Herbert-unobtainium is like the spice in dune, and it involves a character from off planet becoming a native, fulfilling a messiah prophecy, and taking out the invaders with superior technology, because the planets weather prevents that tech from being used


Frank Herbert was brilliant..

R.I.P.

[sergiorodriguez]

Dude...you have no right to be a film snob at all, much less call people simpletons (iirc, you hadn't even seen a single Kurosawa film when I mentioned it in the rate last film thread. if you ever brought that fact to any sort of a serious film discussion, you would get laughed at and then ignored). I haven't seen Avatar, but will this weekend, and from what I've read, every major critic was blown away by it in the theater.

You can dislike the film if you find it shallow, predictable and whatever other criticisms exist about this movie, but there's no reason to be a d*ck about what other people want to see (especially when you yourself haven't seen films that would be "essential" for any film enthusiast).
wtf, he hasnt seen any kurosawa? Guessing the little butt pirate hasnt even seen any Sergio Leone either :O

[Showtime]

Caught the IMAX 3D showing. Defintely a movie that proves why there are theaters. I know nothing was really unpredicatable about the storyline, but then again, not very many films are nowadays. But the execution of this setting was, I have to say, probably the most visually impressive film I've ever seen.

Cameron did talk about making multiple films of the series, and I don't know if they will hold up. This film took you on a ride for "wow" factors in visuals, but if two more films are made, they can't rely on that because the audience will have already been exposed to the world. It will have to rely more on the story line and acting. Perhaps they will take a bigger look at earth?

And as far as acting and CGI, I knew who the actress was who played the lead female navi just by the face, having not known prior to the viewing. That's pretty damned impressive IMO. And from what I have read now, it seems they actually did act out the scenes ala Andy Serkis as Golumn, even though they never show up on film. Their captured animations do. However, I think that modern critics and awards should recognize this level of performance, probably moreso since the actors face a lot of detatchment on the set, and yet still can pull great performances.

Overall, this is definitely a film worth the money to go see in IMAX, and I hope anybody who is opposed to watching it really understands that not every film needs to be a masterpiece in order to be appreciated. This is a visual masterpiece, and it's FUN, which is one inherent property of the medium that everybody has experienced.

[ZeN]

wtf, he hasnt seen any kurosawa? Guessing the little butt pirate hasnt even seen any Sergio Leone either :O
:oldlol:

[Prodigy]

Go watch it in 3d or don't bother commenting. It was a constant visual euphoria for me while I was watching it and I'll go watch it in 3d Imax next time for the bigger screen. Don't even think of downloading the movie or buying it on bluray without watching it in theaters first. It's a movie where you need to completely immerse yourself into the world to appreciate its beauty.

[ALBballer]

Typical white-guilt ,pro-tree hugging, pro native, anti-industrial evil imperialist film.

Special effects were kewl though.

:pimp:

[ZeN]

Typical white-guilt ,pro-tree hugging, pro native, anti-industrial evil imperialist film.




You say it, as if the concepts are bad things. :ohwell:

You may be tired of hearing about the social issues but that does not discredit the valid content that they hold.

[T.O.RAPS]

avatar is actually pocahontes (http://poststuff2.entensity.net/010610/avatar.jpg) - check it out lol

[ALBballer]

This theme is driven in American and Western societies...... usually by the left. Americans and Europeans are guilted into thinking their forefathers are the responsible for the dysfunctional countries today and thus they feel responsible as well. There is this thought that these less developed countries would be in better shape if not for the actions of the Western Imperialist. While this thought does hold some validity, the left tend to overlook the problems of these countries themselves and their current governments who are basically fcking their own people. Imperialism, war, slavery........ you named it..... are not inventions created by the Europeans like society portrays.

Like I said, I enjoyed the special effects but the story line was completely unoriginal and was downright dumb at times.

[ALBballer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MAYrF1PDks&feature=player_embedded

This is basically the same storyline as Avatar. Only this video was $300 million dollars cheaper to make.

[ZeN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MAYrF1PDks&feature=player_embedded

This is basically the same storyline as Avatar. Only this video was $300 million dollars cheaper to make.


You need to kill your self.

[ALBballer]

Thousands of Avatar fans have reported feeling depressed and even suicidal at the prospect of never being able to visit the mystical planet depicted in the movie.

One of the biggest internet forums for the hit film has received more than a thousand posts on a thread entitled 'Ways to cope with the depression of the dream of Pandora being intangible', CNN reports.

The forum has shown a marked comedown from experiencing the computer-generated utopia depicted in the film to the real world for many Avatar fans.

The fictional planet of Pandora is shown as a beautiful fantasy world where the native inhabitants, the Na'vi, have a close bond with nature.

"After I watched Avatar at the first time, I trully felt depressed as I 'wake' up in this world again," one forum user wrote.

Another commenter said the film gave him "a physical dependency to see Pandora and live there, and if you don't see it you get uber depressed."

Meanwhile, the movie is attracting accusations of being racist by critics in the US by portraying a white man coming in to lead a community of primitive, non-white people.

"It rests on the stereotype that white people are rationalist and technocratic while colonial victims are spiritual and athletic," New York Times columnist David Brooks wrote.

"It rests on the assumption that non-whites need the White Messiah to lead their crusades."

But director James Cameron denied the film had an racist undertones, saying Avatar "asks us to open our eyes and truly see others, respecting them even though they are different, in the hope that we may find a way to prevent conflict and live more harmoniously on this world". "I hardly think that is a racist message," he added.

Already taking in more than $1.5 billion in ticket sales since its release last month, Avatar is well on track to become the biggest selling movie of all time.

:roll: :roll:

[Vragrant]

:roll: :roll:

:lol

Yeah I read that too yesterday on CNN. People thinking of commiting suicide because they can't live in Pandora?:oldlol:

[KOLBCTEW]

Meh, decent movie overall, by far the most overrated movie of 2009. While visually stimulating the storyline quite simply generic and mundane throughout and the dialogue the weakest point of this film was severely lacking. Never understood why the Na'Vi were truly surprised by Jakes betrayal even though they seemed to realize he wasn't a real Na'Vi and came from the 'sky people'.

[Anton Chigurh]

ok i admit upon initial viewing of the film i was impressed. but now i just feel used and abused. i bought into the tear jerking emotional crap. now i realize this movie sucks ass. typical cameron film. leaves you in awe but later on you just feel like a cheap ho.