The Chicago Bulls have just blown a 35-point lead.

[GreatGreg]

And I am about to check into a mental institute.

[GreatGreg]

The first time in history...

[Showtime]

Biggest comeback in Kings history. Previous was 25 I believe.

[Yuki Nagato]

Holy sh*t, last I checked the scoreboard was something like 48-81...

[DeuceWallaces]

Serves you right for being a supreme bulls/cavs d-bag fan.

[Swaggin916]

Way to go Bulls... up 35 in the 3rd quarter and LOSE :lol

I feel bad for them... but what an amazing comeback by the Kings. As much as I couldn't stand them a few years ago when they were challenging the Lakers, I live in Sac and want to see them do well.

[GreatGreg]

Serves you right for being a supreme bulls/cavs d-bag fan.
Hey. F*ck you.

[Lakers13]

Its safe to say its time to break up the Bulls.

[Roundball_Rock]

Who should be our next coach? Is Collins still interested in coaching?

[phoenix18]

Unbelievable. I gotta check this myself.:oldlol:

[phoenix18]

Who should be our next coach? Is Collins still interested in coaching?
Coaching? How can you blame this on coaching?

This should be blamed on the players.

[Showtime]

On a side note: Evans is the most clutch rookie in years.

[Swaggin916]

On a side note: Evans is the most clutch rookie in years.

Well he should have made that free throw at the end but whatever it didn't cost them... Nitpickin tho :D

[magnax1]

:applause:
Nothing else to say

[Rekindled]

On a side note: Evans is the most clutch rookie in years.

jennings hit the game winner tonight for the BUcks, just FYI.

[Kevin_Garnett_5]

...And I thought it was embarrassing when the Sixers came back from 15 to beat the Celtics.

[Reverend Hoops]

This was Negro's statement game.

[iDunk]

Knicks send thank you cards to the Sacramento office.

[GreatGreg]

I'm waiting for Yahoo! to make a news banner saying "Team makes legendary comeback".

[lilojmayo]

...And I thought it was embarrassing when the Sixers came back from 15 to beat the Celtics.

This. GreatGreg and pretty much all Rose/Bulls Fans we bumped heads in the past. But i feel your guys pain. After the feeling of blowing a 20 point lead against the clippers in the 4th quarter last month I thought i would never see a collaspe from any team like that again. The Bulls proved me wrong.

[pierce2008mvp]

Who should be our next coach? Is Collins still interested in coaching?

Avery Johnson

[Indian guy]

I broke my laptop over this game.

[lilojmayo]

I broke my laptop over this game.

warranty?

[magnax1]

Dang, I can't wait for the replay on league pass.

[kurple]

Tyreke = AWESOME!! I love that guy.

[bagelred]

Hahahahaha.....Chicago.....

Man, I sure wouldn't want to play the Bulls next game. Chicago is going to be all fired up....

I'll just pull up Nba.com and check to see who Bulls play next.....ok, and they're scheduled to play.......



D'oh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Undisputed]

I broke my laptop over this game.

Ouch. Don't you hate yourself for making a sucky situation even worse? Been there before.

[poido123]

I broke my laptop over this game.

Im gonna break Vinny's nose over this game.

[bagelred]

Dang, I can't wait for the replay on league pass.

It's spelled Deng.

[RaininThrees]

Tonight was like some crazy sports reality TV.

"The Amazing Race (to the Unemployment Line with Jim Zorn and Vinny Del Negro)"

[poido123]

Avery Johnson

You got it! :cheers:

Been pulling for him for months...

[poido123]

Tonight was like some crazy sports reality TV.

"The Amazing Race (to the Unemployment Line with Jim Zorn and Vinny Del Negro)"

:roll: :lol :oldlol: :applause:

[D-Rose]

Holy crap...bye bye VDN?

[Indian guy]

EDIT: wrong thread

[Fuhqueue]

Man, I sure wouldn't want to play the Bulls next game. Chicago is going to be all fired up....
Are you joking? Coz if you are, it's really funny.

[Clocian-IGN]

Only thing I can do right now is smh.....

[bagelred]

Are you joking? Coz if you are, it's really funny.

Hi. I'm Bagelred. Pleased to meet you.......

[Hiei]

lol Isn't Kings like Top 3 worst road team too? :roll:

[Roundball_Rock]

Coaching? How can you blame this on coaching?

This should be blamed on the players.

Yeah them too but we will probably have to wait until the trade deadline to get a good trade. VDN is a failure and so are some players but we can only get rid of the former immediately.


Avery Johnson

Avery is a good option too.

[mmsupra]

u gotta be shittin me

[Swaggin916]

lol Isn't Kings like Top 3 worst road team too? :roll:

Yea they are like 3-10 now or something.

[jaydacris]

i wish i was a fly on the wall in the bulls locker room after the game
id love to see wut the atmosphere is like also would like to see some hot nude/partially nude athletic hunks. no homo

[97 bulls]

the bulls are gonna make it hard to attract a big name player. they literally have a bunch of quiters.

[poido123]

the bulls are gonna make it hard to attract a big name player. they literally have a bunch of quiters.

That isnt true at all...Noah sprints up and down the court, no matter what score it is in the game...And FYI, Bulls have one of the best young supporting casts to compliment the star player, than any other team in the NBA...:pimp:

[mmsupra]

someone needs to be fired after that :rolleyes:

[dak121]

**** the Bulls. Seriously. **** them.

**** the owner, **** the GM, **** the franchise.

And **** the enablers that allow this garbage to happen by going to the games 'through thick and thin'.

[K-Mart]

The **** were they doing at halftime?

[K-Mart]

**** the Bulls. Seriously. **** them.

**** the owner, **** the GM, **** the franchise.

And **** the enablers that allow this garbage to happen by going to the games 'through thick and thin'.


:lol

[Millennium X]

That isnt true at all...Noah sprints up and down the court, no matter what score it is in the game...And FYI, Bulls have one of the best young supporting casts to compliment the star player, than any other team in the NBA...:pimp:
hahahahaha

gtfo of here man. you and your trolling everywhere, here and on the bulls board.

yeah, that great supporting cast that gets embarrassed every other game. 2010 stars are sure gonna want to come here. :lol

[97 bulls]

That isnt true at all...Noah sprints up and down the court, no matter what score it is in the game...And FYI, Bulls have one of the best young supporting casts to compliment the star player, than any other team in the NBA...:pimp:
you must not have seen what i just witnessed. its bad enough that the comeback was from the lowly kings, but at home and led by a rookie???????

[vert48]

I was at a Lakers/Sonics playoff game 20 years ago in Seattle, and the Lakers were down by 27 or 29, and came all the way back to win. It was awesome to be there when it happened.

[97 bulls]

**** the Bulls. Seriously. **** them.

**** the owner, **** the GM, **** the franchise.

And **** the enablers that allow this garbage to happen by going to the games 'through thick and thin'.
i think this is the saddest thing. the fans are there every night. no matter how bad they are. and the franchise just lets us down. and theyre not even trying to improve. at worse, they need to put a championship contender on the court every night.

but i dont know why im not shocked. any franchise that could chase away scottie pippen, phil jackson, michael jordan, after 6 championships, trade away rookie of the year elton brand after 1 season, and continue to get band aide type fixes for a surgery type problems. thats what you get.

[Undisputed]

The **** were they doing at halftime?

I have reason to believe they were huffing dusters...yeah, they were huffing! Del Negro should be fired for encouraging the use of drug.

I think Derrick Rose just ate too much candy at half-time though.

[poido123]

hahahahaha

gtfo of here man. you and your trolling everywhere, here and on the bulls board.

yeah, that great supporting cast that gets embarrassed every other game. 2010 stars are sure gonna want to come here. :lol

Your only here when the Bulls lose, your not a fan.

Stop embarassing yourself and go support another team, your not wanted.

[lilojmayo]

The **** were they doing at halftime?
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jezebel/2009/02/paris_weed2.jpg


smooking weed? :confusedshrug: Artest did it as a bull

[D.J.]

I did not even know something like this was possible. I remember the Knicks won a game in Milwaukee after trailing by 30 and even that seemed like a once in a lifetime thing. I recall another instance during the 2002-03 season where the Nets, at home, trailed the Hornets by 23 going into the fourth quarter and came back to win. There is no way one could have watched this game and not shake their head.

[Maestro33]

My girlfriend somehow called this game. We were out at a cafe in vancouver and i checked NBA Game Time on my cell and we were up big. She said they'd blow that lead and lose. Stunningly she was right. I said "nah you almost be able to just run the shot clock out everytime and still win"

apparently not. girlfriends right, im wrong, bulls lose.....**** night!

Seriously tho EFF THIS TEAM. Im sick of the entire organization.

[phoenix18]

My girlfriend somehow called this game. We were out at a cafe in vancouver and i checked NBA Game Time on my cell and we were up big. She said they'd blow that lead and lose. Stunningly she was right. I said "nah you almost be able to just run the shot clock out everytime and still win"

apparently not. girlfriends right, im wrong, bulls lose.....**** night!

Seriously tho EFF THIS TEAM. Im sick of the entire organization.

This girlfriend could make you a lot of money.:pimp:

[Maestro33]

So I shouldn't have killed her?

JOKE! Dont call the cops.

[kentatm]

Huzzah! This will lead to yet another Bulls Christmas firing! :oldlol:

[Maestro33]

Fire everyone, Ive had it. Im angrier than I was when Kornel David suited up for us. I cannot stand anymore of this team. Its comprised of born losers. We wait and wait so long for god knows what to then NOT make a move and insist things are alright. I love Pax to death as a player, but my god man realize this is not working. We've run the wheels off kirk, run ben out of town, run out of steam and the team simply does not work as one.

Letting Ben go... Wheres the people who said we wouldnt miss a beat now? A crap lousy offensive unit dumps theres ONLY scorer..... Id like to smack you in the face if you thought that was a good idea. Thats like being stranded on a deserted island with a meal handed to you and hurling into the ocean because it isnt the kosher meal.

This non committal BS has to end. Keep Noah, Rose and Miller cuz I like him. Lose everyone else. Kirks my man but let him go someplace to win. The Bulls have wasted him and he deserves better.

Hallelujah...holy$hit ...wheres the tylenol?

[big baller]

mhmhmhmhmh....

[Bond007]

Damn the bulls were so promising two seasons ago specially when they took was it boston? to 7 games . they are plain awful :eek:

[Pinkhearts]

Morrison + Farmar for Hinrich in Jan

[Bond007]

Morrison + Farmar for Hinrich in Jan

Wow if that happens the Lakers will have NO weakness at all, it's like having body armor or something...i guess it would make sense for the bull if they just want to clear cap space or something

[cotdt]

You guys should read the live comments on Blog-A-Bulls, it's hilarious how Bulls fans were commenting that Tyreke was a bust in the 2nd quarter and then started panicking in the 4th, and then... yeah haha the comments are comical.

http://www.blogabull.com/2009/12/21/1211649/open-game-thread-26-overflow-bulls#comments

[plowking]

F*CK ESPN. F*CK EM.

How the hell does this not get front page over Shaq going back to Phoenix? Who the hell cares?

One of the best comeback wins ever, and not even front page. F*CK ESPN.

[AznTacoLover]

Woah fcking epic comeback from 35 ... but I feel your pain bulls fan

[spree43]

I havent checked the stats, but I have heard that Derrick Rose is statistically one of the worst clutch players getting around

I know he is young, but he has the team relying on him and he cant step up when it counts

He got a couple of turnovers and missed a few shots in the last few minutes today

Overall they could have used Ben Gordon tonight, he has some heart ... Sure Noah has heart, but not the skill to back it up, he does his best but you cant expect to go to him offensively

[poido123]

I havent checked the stats, but I have heard that Derrick Rose is statistically one of the worst clutch players getting around

I know he is young, but he has the team relying on him and he cant step up when it counts

He got a couple of turnovers and missed a few shots in the last few minutes today

Overall they could have used Ben Gordon tonight, he has some heart ... Sure Noah has heart, but not the skill to back it up, he does his best but you cant expect to go to him offensively

When you have a team of good young pieces and role players, how do you expect a team like this to close out games? No post presence and no established stars = what we are getting now...And the coach is bad too, but lets put this in perspective, this Bulls team is not really that bad, they are just missing one really important piece that makes all the other top teams good, a good coach and a good post presence, Im telling you, thats all it is...

[Dbrog]

Blame D-Rose for this loss. A good PG doesn't allow something like this to happen (should be controlling the pace). I suppose you could make the argument Reke is just that much better than Rose though. Now I'm not saying trade Rose or anything like that, I just think he needs to work on his basketball IQ. (He really plays like a SG sometimes and it pisses me off)

[lukekarts]

Blame D-Rose for this loss. A good PG doesn't allow something like this to happen (should be controlling the pace). I suppose you could make the argument Reke is just that much better than Rose though. Now I'm not saying trade Rose or anything like that, I just think he needs to work on his basketball IQ. (He really plays like a SG sometimes and it pisses me off)

Tyreke is better than Rose. Before this season I never thought I'd be saying that, but Reke is so consistant and dominant against anyone. In his last 21 games (since Martin was injured) he has scored more than 18 points in 19 of them, whilst averaging exactly 5 rebounds and 5 assists. That's beastly. And he's got his team just under .5, which is a big improvement on last year. Not to mention he shoots remarkably efficiently for a first option rookie (.46 in 36mpg).

Oh and FYI (from NBA.com) "The comeback was is the largest in the NBA since the Utah Jazz overcame a 36-point deficit against the Denver Nuggets in a game in 1996, according to the Elias Sports Bureau."

[Kujo]

Just saw the highlights from this game this morning. Unreal. Not sure how an NBA team can loose after being up 35 PTs. You beat the Hawks the previous game, and then loose at 35 PT lead to SAC? Wow.

Del Negro should be fired immediately.

I'll never understand why the Bulls just didn't give BG the money. No team has felt the loss of a player this season like the Bulls have missing BG.

Man, Evans is impressive. With Jennings coming down to earth after the 55 PT game, Evans is running away with ROY right now.

[bagelred]

F*CK ESPN. F*CK EM.

How the hell does this not get front page over Shaq going back to Phoenix? Who the hell cares?

One of the best comeback wins ever, and not even front page. F*CK ESPN.

Shaq is back to Phoenix? Whoa....gotta check that out.....you say something about the Bulls?

[Pharcyde]

I'll never understand why the Bulls just didn't give BG the money. No team has felt the loss of a player this season like the Bulls have missing BG.

By losing most of the games we have already lost? Would he make us win the games where we lost by 20+?

[GreatGreg]

Blame D-Rose for this loss. A good PG doesn't allow something like this to happen (should be controlling the pace).
Uh, no no. Uh, no,no,no.

The real reason we lost is because this man

http://www.bullscast.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/vinne-del-negro-in-a-suit1.jpg

Told the Bulls we got it in the bag.

[plowking]

Uh, no no. Uh, no,no,no.

The real reason we lost is because this man

http://www.bullscast.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/vinne-del-negro-in-a-suit1.jpg

Told the Bulls we got it in the bag.

LOL at you blaming this on the coach. A coach gets you that 35 point lead, he doesn't lose it, the players do.

[Pharcyde]

So it wasn't him that kept our starters in despite having a good lead which in turn tired them out and let the kings have a run?

[RainierBeachPoet]

I was at a Lakers/Sonics playoff game 20 years ago in Seattle, and the Lakers were down by 27 or 29, and came all the way back to win. It was awesome to be there when it happened.

i remember that game. i believe it was 1987 in the wcf; it was a 29 point lead

:banghead:

that was almost as depressing as losing the sonics in 2008...

[crisoner]

Wade to the rescue next year?

[goldenryan]

i always thought the bulls should've drafted Spencer Hawes over Noah. not after this game, i see how right i was.

[playtetris]

The **** were they doing at halftime?

they finally forced the lock on ron artest's old locker

[DeuceWallaces]

Ben Gordon isn't walking through that door.

[GreatGreg]

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/6352/scr1261501158.png

:ohwell:

[bagelred]

Ben Gordon isn't walking through that door.

Sure he is.....when they play the Pistons. :lol

[plowking]

So it wasn't him that kept our starters in despite having a good lead which in turn tired them out and let the kings have a run?

Are Bulls starters incapable of playing 40 minutes a game?

[Yuki Nagato]

http://i48.tinypic.com/qzj3bc.gif

[Poodle]

Ben Gordon isn't walking through that door.


maybe not but the next best thing could for 1/10th Gordons price!


http://aol.nba.com/media/allstar2006/Dunk-Portrait-400.jpg


FREE LiL HIM!

[hoopaddict08]

So it wasn't him that kept our starters in despite having a good lead which in turn tired them out and let the kings have a run?

Who do the Bulls have waiting on the bench to help the Bulls hold onto the lead? The 38-39 year old Lindsey Hunter?

[beasted86]

Wade to the rescue next year?
:oldlol:, not with anything close to this current roster. Bulls fans better just get that out of their head right now.

Unless they drastically shake up the roster with some trades, I'm 100% sure it aint happening.

[bagelred]

:oldlol:, not with anything close to this current roster. Bulls fans better just get that out of their head right now.

Unless they drastically shake up the roster with some trades, I'm 100% sure it aint happening.

It's true. What the Bulls really need is a franchise player......


You know what? If Dwyane Wade joins the Bulls, it might convince Dwyane Wade to come on board......

[beasted86]

It's true. What the Bulls really need is a franchise player......


You know what? If Dwyane Wade joins the Bulls, it might convince Dwyane Wade to come on board......
You've done alot better than this... :ohwell:

[Allstar24]

Just saw the highlights on ESPN. Epic choke by the Bulls, they need to fire the coach.

[hawkfan]

Time for Chicago to make a trade.

[shortlunatic]

Letting Ben go... Wheres the people who said we wouldnt miss a beat now? A crap lousy offensive unit dumps theres ONLY scorer..... Id like to smack you in the face if you thought that was a good idea. Thats like being stranded on a deserted island with a meal handed to you and hurling into the ocean because it isnt the kosher meal.

smack them in the face then, shows how much you know. Obviously anyone who has any sort of tie to the Bulls is gonna be mad after this one, but why you fools keeping thinking Ben would change that is beyond me. Do they need the guy?? HELL YEA!! but do they need him to the point where we they wer gonna give him that kinda money?? HELL NO!!! Thats only the kind of move you make when you know signing th eplayer is the differnce between contending or not. With or without BG, this team would be in a crap hole right now. What they need is a massive shakeup of personnal, both coaching and players alike. Rose and Noah are the only keepers in my mind, everything else should be traded for anything they can get.

[Crazy Style]

Chicago fans have it rough, I can't believe their record is 10-16 because they look even worse right now. The worst loses of the season where at home, first a thrashing by the Raptors, than a 2 point loss against the horrid Nets (first road win for Nets and only 2nd win overall) and now one of the worst collapses in NBA freakin history against the Kings! This truley sucks!:rant

[Crazy Style]

I'm happy that there's another team that is playing much better at the U.C. and that's the red hot Blackhawks. Stanely Cup here we come!!! (SI's favorite to win it all):banana:

[Poodle]

smack them in the face then, shows how much you know. Obviously anyone who has any sort of tie to the Bulls is gonna be mad after this one, but why you fools keeping thinking Ben would change that is beyond me. Do they need the guy?? HELL YEA!! but do they need him to the point where we they wer gonna give him that kinda money?? HELL NO!!! Thats only the kind of move you make when you know signing th eplayer is the differnce between contending or not. With or without BG, this team would be in a crap hole right now. What they need is a massive shakeup of personnal, both coaching and players alike. Rose and Noah are the only keepers in my mind, everything else should be traded for anything they can get.


I agree. Gordon was never the perfect player he comes across now that the Bulls have had a need for scoring and he was asking way too much for his wishy washy nature. Besides you can have this guy for peanuts who is just as good a scorer and arguably better in some facets.

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd235/buzzy3rd/robinson.jpg

[beasted86]

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd235/buzzy3rd/robinson.jpg

The link is broken, but assuming that's Nate Robinson... you are on crack if you think Nate is as good a scorer as Gordon.

[phoenix18]

smack them in the face then, shows how much you know. Obviously anyone who has any sort of tie to the Bulls is gonna be mad after this one, but why you fools keeping thinking Ben would change that is beyond me. Do they need the guy?? HELL YEA!! but do they need him to the point where we they wer gonna give him that kinda money?? HELL NO!!! Thats only the kind of move you make when you know signing th eplayer is the differnce between contending or not. With or without BG, this team would be in a crap hole right now. What they need is a massive shakeup of personnal, both coaching and players alike. Rose and Noah are the only keepers in my mind, everything else should be traded for anything they can get.

Ummm... did you see what the majority of Bulls fans said after Gordon left? They were saying how he was overrated, chucker,etc. :oldlol:

Now, when they need someone who can create for himself so that Rose doesnt have to do all the work, they look flat out retarded. Bad offense.

They need Gordon because he was the only one on their bench people would watch out for knowing that he could get hot and drop 30 or 40 on a given night.

They had YEARS to sign an extension, but never did. Why? No f*cking clue.

They just let his ass go. No sign and trade, just bye-bye.

[Poodle]

The link is broken, but assuming that's Nate Robinson... you are on crack if you think Nate is as good a scorer as Gordon.


you obviously either haven't watched Nate play much, or have only watched Gordon on a hot night. Go ahead and do some stat search if you want for per minute scoring and i bet Nate is right there. Nate is also a much better dribbler, penetrater, and passer than Gordon. I'd say Gordon's chucking is slightly better but not by nearly as much as you probably think if Nate got those same opportunities.

They are almost identical in what they bring to a team, while one is sought afteer and costs a hell of a lot more. This is why GM's/teams are dumb.

[Go Getter]

**** the Bulls. Seriously. **** them.

**** the owner, **** the GM, **** the franchise.

And **** the enablers that allow this garbage to happen by going to the games 'through thick and thin'.

Root for another team it's so simple.

[DeuceWallaces]

Hahaha, exactly which facet is nate robinson better at compared to Ben Gordon.

[beasted86]

you obviously either haven't watched Nate play much, or have only watched Gordon on a hot night. Go ahead and do some stat search if you want for per minute scoring and i bet Nate is right there. Nate is also a much better dribbler, penetrater, and passer than Gordon. I'd say Gordon's chucking is slightly better but not by nearly as much as you probably think if Nate got those same opportunities.

They are almost identical in what they bring to a team, while one is sought afteer and costs a hell of a lot more. This is why GM's/teams are dumb.
Yeah, I guess you really were on crack :oldlol:.

The money difference is easily comparable to talent, Nate's $4M to Gordon's $10M. Gordon is easily twice the player Nate is. I'll just leave it at that.

[Poodle]

Hahaha, exactly which facet is nate robinson better at compared to Ben Gordon.


He has a better handle, can shake better off the dribble, and he can actually pass it 5 yards without turning it over. He's way more of a threat on the drive than Gordon is, in fact Nate is practically unstoppable in terms of penetrating. Gordon is the better shooter but not by nearly as much as you probably think. Both are defensive liabilities but yeah i'd agree Nate is probably a bit more but Gordon is really bad defensively and probably one of the worst guard passers in the L.

like i said Gordon was not the perfect player people are pretending now he had some major downsides, and if you've watched them both i don't see how you can pretend one is so much better than the other. They're VERY similar pure offense players, and i'd argue possibly even the 2 best in the league at that.

[Poodle]

Yeah, I guess you really were on crack :oldlol:.

The money difference is easily comparable to talent, Nate's $4M to Gordon's $10M. Gordon is easily twice the player Nate is. I'll just leave it at that.


good argument from someone who argues based on popularity, and not watching and being able to back up your claims by analyzing their games like i did.

[beasted86]

good argument from someone who argues based on popularity, and not watching and being able to back up your claims by analyzing their games like i did.
Analyzing what games? All you did was state your opinion and tried to relay it as end all fact.

The facts are Gordon gives more points off the bench, Gordon is more efficient in every single statistical shooting category (FG%, 3PT%, FT%), Gordon is clutch, Gordon is not a headcase, Gordon is a combo guard that has enough size to play both positions... and most importantly... teams want Gordon. Both guys were free agents this past summer, why did one get signed on the first possible day in free agency, and the other run all the way down to the week before training camp?

There really is no discussion to have when someone is going off on some crazy tangent saying Nate is as good as Gordon. That's why I said I'll just leave it at that. :confusedshrug:

[step_back]

Its safe to say its time to break up the Bulls.

Break up a young team of up and comers who have only been playing at full strength for a few months because of one bad lead loss.

http://maaadddog.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/dumbass.jpg

[Poodle]

Analyzing what games? All you did was state your opinion and tried to relay it as end all fact.

The facts are Gordon gives more points off the bench, Gordon is more efficient in every single statistical shooting category (FG%, 3PT%, FT%), , Gordon is clutch, Gordon is not a headcase... and most importantly... teams want Gordon. Both guys were free agents this past summer, why did one get signed on the first possible day in free agency, and the other run all the way down to the week before training camp?

There really is no discussion to have when someone is going off on some crazy tangent saying Nate is as good as Gordon. That's why I said I'll just leave it at that. :confusedshrug:


you don't watch what you're pretending to preach. Just curious how often did you watch Bulls games when Gordon was there? And Knicks games last year when Nate was getting a lot of run? you realize Nate got votes for 6th man of the year last year, right? that he put up numbers in almost every game he got the minutes and shots? you going by stats when play time and opportunity arent nearly equal is retarded. Like i said feel free to do a per minute offensive breakdown between the 2 players.

Are you a Heat fan? If so why are you talking about stuff you clearly have no clue about and haven't seen firsthand?

Nevermind the fact that Gordon makes every shot he takes 10x's harder, but feel free to get a Bulls fan to comment here that actually watched their games to tell me i'm wrong. Or a Knicks fan that isn't biased against Nate, and i'd hope they'd tell you he's as pure offense as anyone in the league including Gordon. You pretending otherwise like they are so different just makes you a retard that talks about **** he doesn't even watch. I mean its so blatantly obvious how similar they are if you've even watched them in the least bit its amazing you're pretending otherwise, and act like GM's/teams must always be right when they're more wrong than fans for the most part.

[gts]

Break up a young team of up and comers who have only been playing at full strength for a few months because of one bad lead loss.

http://maaadddog.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/dumbass.jpg

would this be the same team that we have been waiting for to turn the corner for 3 four years now?

every year it's a team of up and comers, on the vege of breaking out and every year it's the same basic results..

maybe next year eh? should have a great young core of up and comers... time to scrap this program and get some talent on the team

[Poodle]

would this be the same team that we have been waiting for to turn the corner for 3 four years now?

every year it's a team of up and comers, on the vege of breaking out and every year it's the same basic results..

maybe next year eh? should have a great young core of up and comers... time to scrap this program and get some talent on the team


they did do well ini the playoffs last year tho which gave Bulls fans a lot of hope. But i agree with most of you all that the organization has been pretty crap with mediocre players for a long time now, and not getting any real superstars. I just can't blame Bulls fans for thinking they were on the upswing before this season.

[step_back]

would this be the same team that we have been waiting for to turn the corner for 3 four years now?

every year it's a team of up and comers, on the vege of breaking out and every year it's the same basic results..

maybe next year eh? should have a great young core of up and comers... time to scrap this program and get some talent on the team

your right, james johnson and taj gibson are rookies, rose is in his 2nd season, luol and noah are 24, It's time these people were sent packing after all it's not like they have much left in the tank at their ages. Oh wait.................

[beasted86]

you don't watch what you're pretending to preach. Just curious how often did you watch Bulls games when Gordon was there? And Knicks games last year when Nate was getting a lot of run? you realize Nate got votes for 6th man of the year last year, right? that he put up numbers in almost every game he got the minutes and shots? you going by stats when play time and opportunity arent nearly equal is retarded. Like i said feel free to do a per minute offensive breakdown between the 2 players.

Are you a Heat fan? If so why are you talking about stuff you clearly have no clue about and haven't seen firsthand?

Nevermind the fact that Gordon makes every shot he takes 10x's harder, but feel free to get a Bulls fan to comment here that actually watched their games to tell me i'm wrong. Or a Knicks fan that isn't biased against Nate, and i'd hope they'd tell you he's as pure offense as anyone in the league including Gordon. You pretending otherwise like they are so different just makes you a retard that talks about **** he doesn't even watch. I mean its so blatantly obvious how similar they are if you've even watched them in the least bit its amazing you're pretending otherwise, and act like GM's/teams must always be right when they're more wrong than fans for the most part.
Let me try and make it simple for you with a couple analogies. You saying Nate is basically = Gordon, is the same as saying:

Calderon is basically = Nash
Bargnani is basically = Nowitzki
Stuckey is basically = Wade
Aldridge is basically = Bosh
K-Mart is basically = Garnett


As seen above you are taking players with slim similarities in their stature and game style, and basically saying they are as good as guys way better than them. I hope this makes it clear to you.

Nate is a solid scoring guard, and would fit as a good scorer for the Bulls off the bench over Pargo who turned out to be a bust (for the 2nd time), but to say something like Nate is basically = Gordon is plain dumb.

[Poodle]

Let me try and make it simple for you with a couple analogies. You saying Nate is basically = Gordon, is the same as saying:

Calderon is basically = Nash
Bargnani is basically = Nowitzki
Stuckey is basically = Wade
Aldridge is basically = Bosh
K-Mart is basically = Garnett
Hawes is basically = Okur

As seen above you are taking players with slim similarities in their stature and game style, and basically saying they are as good as guys way better than them. I hope this makes it clear to you.

Nate is a solid scoring guard, and would fit as a good scorer for the Bulls off the bench over Pargo who turned out to be a bust, but to say something like Nate is basically = Gordon is plain dumb.


Just no, not even close. None of your analogies come anywhere close to Ben Gordon to Nate Robinson comparison, and if anything a lot of them are very far apart but i'm not going to break it all down for you in how different some of the analogies you made are.

They are as similar there is between any 2 players in the league. period. I can't believe people that have watched them both and what they bring are going to even deny this. whatever.

[beasted86]

Oh, and for the record, when i had league pass last season, the teams I watched the most other than the Heat were GSW, TOR, CHI, NYK, POR, LAC, and ORL. Probably in that order as well. I've seen what Nate can do, and he's just not as good as Gordon, at all.

[itsGameTime]

And I am about to check into a mental institute.

Serves you and Indian Guy (both Cleveland Cavalier or should I say Cleveland Lebrons bandwagoners) right.

[Pharcyde]

Why is there even an argument about Ben vs. Nate. Ben for this team >>>>> Nate. Ben as a player >>>>> Nate.

[Pharcyde]

Ummm... did you see what the majority of Bulls fans said after Gordon left? They were saying how he was overrated, chucker,etc. :oldlol:

Now, when they need someone who can create for himself so that Rose doesnt have to do all the work, they look flat out retarded. Bad offense.

They need Gordon because he was the only one on their bench people would watch out for knowing that he could get hot and drop 30 or 40 on a given night.

They had YEARS to sign an extension, but never did. Why? No f*cking clue.

They just let his ass go. No sign and trade, just bye-bye.
The majority? No. You say that a lot though.

And yes, the bulls offered him a contract TWICE. And 1 of them was around the same thing Detroit offered.

[Poodle]

Why is there even an argument about Ben vs. Nate. Ben for this team >>>>> Nate. Ben as a player >>>>> Nate.


you have no idea to even say that since it hasn't even been tried. Even then every real Bulls fan had way more issues with Gordon when he played for them than they're pretending now.

[Lebron23]

Serves you and Indian Guy (both Cleveland Cavalier or should I say Cleveland Lebrons bandwagoners) right.


Hello Poseidouchebag.


You are still S*cking Kobe's nuts on Christmas day.

[Undisputed]

Ben Gordon isn't walking through that door.
He isn't doing much walking on the court right now either, huh? :oldlol: With the way Brad Miller, Hinrich, and Salmons are playing the Bulls would be just as bad with Ben Gordon. Ben Gordon lead the Bulls to an 0-9 start before, so don't give me that crap.

[itsGameTime]

Hello Poseidouchebag.


You are still S*cking Kobe's nuts on Christmas day.

Oh jolly, another Cleveland Lebron Bandwagoner. :applause:

[stephanieg]

Hopefully someone makes a download/torrent for this.

[Pharcyde]

you have no idea to even say that since it hasn't even been tried. Even then every real Bulls fan had way more issues with Gordon when he played for them than they're pretending now.
Yes I do, Ben is 20 times the player Nate is.
.....No they didnt.

[Glide2keva]

The majority? No. You say that a lot though.

And yes, the bulls offered him a contract TWICE. And 1 of them was around the same thing Detroit offered.
Yep and he turned them both down because he wanted to test the FA waters.

Yet somehow it's the Bulls fault he's gone. They said re-signing him was their top priority and he left them holding the bag.

**** ben Gordon, I am tired of hearing about him. He doesn't play for the Bulls anymore, so let him go chuck it up for Detroit.

I will say it again:

BEN GORDON WALKED AWAY ON HIS OWN ACCORD!!!!!!!

[Poodle]

Yes I do, Ben is 20 times the player Nate is.
.....No they didnt.


you must not watch much basketball other than your homer team if you really believe that.

its okay tho since thats most people here who think they know wtf they're talking about but really don't.

[shortlunatic]

Ummm... did you see what the majority of Bulls fans said after Gordon left? They were saying how he was overrated, chucker,etc. :oldlol:

Now, when they need someone who can create for himself so that Rose doesnt have to do all the work, they look flat out retarded. Bad offense.

They need Gordon because he was the only one on their bench people would watch out for knowing that he could get hot and drop 30 or 40 on a given night.

They had YEARS to sign an extension, but never did. Why? No f*cking clue.

They just let his ass go. No sign and trade, just bye-bye.

its because he was. Thats why Ill repeat that how anyone with common Bulls knowledge would know that BG is not the answer. Would we have a few more Ws by the end of the season?? no doubt, but we wouldnt be near contending, and theres no point in paying a guy 10 mil a year if your not contending. Just wait it out until a more valuable player comes along thats worth that money. I think they learned that after signing Deng, the last thing that team needed was another overpaid contract.

And BG didnt come off the bench, he was a starter. And their were multiple times where he cared about himself only instead of the team, thats why he was bale to drop 30 or 40. You all seem to forget those nights where he scored below 20, but still shot the same amount of times he would shoot on a night he scored 40.

And a contract was offered, in previous years...he rejected. If you think the majority of Bulls fans would be happy with his 55 mil contract on the books for 2010, then your mistaken.

[beasted86]

its because he was. Thats why Ill repeat that how anyone with common Bulls knowledge would know that BG is not the answer. Would we have a few more Ws by the end of the season?? no doubt, but we wouldnt be near contending, and theres no point in paying a guy 10 mil a year if your not contending. Just wait it out until a more valuable player comes along thats worth that money. I think they learned that after signing Deng, the last thing that team needed was another overpaid contract.

And BG didnt come off the bench, he was a starter. And their were multiple times where he cared about himself only instead of the team, thats why he was bale to drop 30 or 40. You all seem to forget those nights where he scored below 20, but still shot the same amount of times he would shoot on a night he scored 40.

And a contract was offered, in previous years...he rejected. If you think the majority of Bulls fans would be happy with his 55 mil contract on the books for 2010, then your mistaken.
Yeah, but the Bulls are also paying Hinrich almost $10M a year, and he's far from worth it, and the Bulls are obviously no where near to contending with him on the team.

The real problem was, and always will be Hinrich's contract. I tried telling Bulls fans this the summer before last (the '08 summer), but they didn't listen. Right now at this point, I doubt you'd find any Bulls fan who would rather keep Hinrich than Gordon, but a year and some months ago, they were saying the complete opposite (Hinrich is fine, Ben needs to go).

It's all about timing. When Ben Wallace got his nasty contract, nobody complained at first, then when Nocioni got his nasty contract nobody complained at first, then when Deng got his nasty contract only a few grumbles were heard, but when it was time to pay Gordon, nearly no Bulls fans thought he was worth the money, when it's quite possible HE was the ONLY one worth the contract.

[Rafael Delaget]

you don't watch what you're pretending to preach. Just curious how often did you watch Bulls games when Gordon was there? And Knicks games last year when Nate was getting a lot of run? you realize Nate got votes for 6th man of the year last year, right? that he put up numbers in almost every game he got the minutes and shots? you going by stats when play time and opportunity arent nearly equal is retarded. Like i said feel free to do a per minute offensive breakdown between the 2 players.

Are you a Heat fan? If so why are you talking about stuff you clearly have no clue about and haven't seen firsthand?

Nevermind the fact that Gordon makes every shot he takes 10x's harder, but feel free to get a Bulls fan to comment here that actually watched their games to tell me i'm wrong. Or a Knicks fan that isn't biased against Nate, and i'd hope they'd tell you he's as pure offense as anyone in the league including Gordon. You pretending otherwise like they are so different just makes you a retard that talks about **** he doesn't even watch. I mean its so blatantly obvious how similar they are if you've even watched them in the least bit its amazing you're pretending otherwise, and act like GM's/teams must always be right when they're more wrong than fans for the most part.

:lol

How about you get a Knicks fan to comment here that actually watched the games to tell us you're right. Or a Bulls fan that isn't biased against Gordon. I think that's fair.

[Rafael Delaget]

LOL at you blaming this on the coach. A coach gets you that 35 point lead, he doesn't lose it, the players do.

:wtf: :oldlol:

[poido123]

I'm just tired of explaining why Gordon was bad for the Bulls team, because the ones who do understand are usually the posters that have an understanding of basketball further than just the benifits of just scoring...Taking into account the contract scenario, the pros and cons for the team in the immediate future, to the pros and cons of the long term future, then you start to see why Gordon is not on the Bulls team anymore...For the struggles the Bulls are having now, there is alot more to do with it than just scoring there is a whole team dynamic that is breaking down, from coaches to structured offense/defense being run out on the court...You have a young core of players, being run by a young coach who really isnt head coach material, not now anyway...Im not into all this armegeddon trade the whole team crap, instead of just rambling on more these are three things the Bulls must change...

A new experienced coach

a dominant inside scorer from next years free agency, if not wade...

a good long range shooter to punish teams who callapse in on rose and deng when they slash to the basket

[Pharcyde]

Yeah, but the Bulls are also paying Hinrich almost $10M a year, and he's far from worth it, and the Bulls are obviously no where near to contending with him on the team.

The real problem was, and always will be Hinrich's contract. I tried telling Bulls fans this the summer before last (the '08 summer), but they didn't listen. Right now at this point, I doubt you'd find any Bulls fan who would rather keep Hinrich than Gordon, but a year and some months ago, they were saying the complete opposite (Hinrich is fine, Ben needs to go).

It's all about timing. When Ben Wallace got his nasty contract, nobody complained at first, then when Nocioni got his nasty contract nobody complained at first, then when Deng got his nasty contract only a few grumbles were heard, but when it was time to pay Gordon, nearly no Bulls fans thought he was worth the money, when it's quite possible HE was the ONLY one worth the contract.


The market dictates differently.... A few years ago Gordon was definitely worth 11 million. Now? **** no. He's worth 7 at most. Same for Deng and Hinrich. Obviously Deng was viewed as a big asset after the Heat series, and it wasn't expected he would have 2 seasons in a row of bad injuries. Hinrich was our only PG at the time too. We didn't even know who Rose was then.

[shortlunatic]

Yeah, but the Bulls are also paying Hinrich almost $10M a year, and he's far from worth it, and the Bulls are obviously no where near to contending with him on the team.

The real problem was, and always will be Hinrich's contract. I tried telling Bulls fans this the summer before last (the '08 summer), but they didn't listen. Right now at this point, I doubt you'd find any Bulls fan who would rather keep Hinrich than Gordon, but a year and some months ago, they were saying the complete opposite (Hinrich is fine, Ben needs to go).

It's all about timing. When Ben Wallace got his nasty contract, nobody complained at first, then when Nocioni got his nasty contract nobody complained at first, then when Deng got his nasty contract only a few grumbles were heard, but when it was time to pay Gordon, nearly no Bulls fans thought he was worth the money, when it's quite possible HE was the ONLY one worth the contract.

But i believe Hinrichs contract was given at a much different time. When people expected that Hinrich, Gordon, and Deng would lead to another chip, so signing Kirk would have been a good idea at the time, especially the way his contract declines.

The reason why people wanted to keep Hinrich over Gordon was not so much because he was better, but because of the big picture. Hinrichs contract declines each year, he plays better D than Gordon, and we know if he goes to start on another team, he'll play for what hes worth (meaning he has more trade value). Gordon on the other hand would reaquire another big contract that would probably rise each year. On top of that, he wouldnt make much of a difference for this team, and would have have wiped out alot of the 2010 space. In a couple years, Hinrich will only be making 8 mil, where as Gordon about 11 mil. Its just not something i think the team needs.

True, Bulls do give out nasty contracts, but i wouldnt agree that ppl were OK with them. I think many fans were a little confused as to why huge contracts were being given out, buts theres nothing you can do. You can just sit back and home they make it worth it. BG was the one they screamed about cuz we knew it was the last thing this team needs, and no, he is still not worth it.

[Poodle]

You guys need to realize how much changes year to year. Gordon wasn't ever remotely worth the money he wanted until last year, and even then anyone would've been on the fence because Gordon was always very streaky with a lot of downsides that isn't based on scoring. Back when they were worrying about signing Deng and Gordon to what they wanted a few years ago, Gordon was easily the lesser performing player. Fast forward to today and everyone acts like Gordon is this all star or Bulls savior based on the Bulls success last year mainly in the 1st round of the playoffs. Gordon was always WAY more of a question mark in terms of committing to and performing up to that than almost everyone is acting right now. He's a very streaky player and its like people only remember him for his best games/year.

Hinrich was a borderline star player before Rose got there and he lost time. He is a well rounded player and plays hard defense, and plays smart. They used to call him the heart of the Bulls. He is not as bad as the stats and his part time play now might indicate if you didn't watch him a few years ago when he was starting. He definitely isn't garbage and could start and do wonders for a lot of teams around the league right now. To me he's a way better version of Steve Blake...he just doesn't get the consistent run or shots to show it.

I swear the way some people talk about Gordon is dumb. I'd even have been surprised if he could repeat the same level of play he did last year if he were still on the Bulls and not playing for a contract.

[beasted86]

You guys need to realize how much changes year to year. Gordon wasn't ever remotely worth the money he wanted until last year, and even then anyone would've been on the fence because Gordon was always very streaky with a lot of downsides that isn't based on scoring. Back when they were worrying about signing Deng and Gordon to what they wanted a few years ago, Gordon was easily the lesser performing player. Fast forward to today and everyone acts like Gordon is this all star or Bulls savior based on the Bulls success last year mainly in the 1st round of the playoffs. Gordon was always WAY more of a question mark in terms of committing to and performing up to that than almost everyone is acting right now. He's a very streaky player and its like people only remember him for his best games/year.

Hinrich was a borderline star player before Rose got there and he lost time. He is a well rounded player and plays hard defense, and plays smart. They used to call him the heart of the Bulls. He is not as bad as the stats and his part time play now might indicate if you didn't watch him a few years ago when he was starting. He definitely isn't garbage and could start and do wonders for a lot of teams around the league right now. To me he's a way better version of Steve Blake...he just doesn't get the consistent run or shots to show it.

I swear the way some people talk about Gordon is dumb. I'd even have been surprised if he could repeat the same level of play he did last year if he were still on the Bulls and not playing for a contract.
Seems like a block of trash here...

1) You talk about rating Gordon on 1 series? That alone tells everyone to just disregard your opinion. Gordon has been dominating in the playoffs for the last 3 postseason appearances. He has 5 "premier" scoring seasons under his belt, while you are comparing him to Nate who only has 1 good scoring season, and no playoff experience. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

2) Gordon has always been a better scorer than Deng, Gordon has always been a better scorer than Hinrich. :confusedshrug: Is there anything to debate there?

3) Hinrich was never a borderline star. He got this "captain Kirk" title, and all these comparisons to possibly being Nash, but he's never lived up. He is a solid player, and many teams could use him, but if we are talking about who is closer to being worth their contract between Gordon, & Deng... Hinrich EASILY comes in last place without a doubt. Gordon is closer to being worth $10M, and Deng worth $11M, than Hinrich ever will for being worth $9M+.

[Poodle]

[QUOTE=Rafael Delaget

[Poodle]

Seems like a block of trash here...

1) You talk about rating Gordon on 1 series? That alone tells everyone to just disregard your opinion. Gordon has been dominating in the playoffs for the last 3 postseason appearances. He has 5 "premier" scoring seasons under his belt, while you are comparing him to Nate who only has 1 good scoring season, and no playoff experience. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

2) Gordon has always been a better scorer than Deng, Gordon has always been a better scorer than Hinrich. :confusedshrug: Is there anything to debate there?

3) Hinrich was never a borderline star. He got this "captain Kirk" title, and all these comparisons to possibly being Nash, but he's never lived up. He is a solid player, and many teams could use him, but if we are talking about who is closer to being worth their contract between Gordon, & Deng... Hinrich EASILY comes in last place without a doubt. Gordon is closer to being worth $10M, and Deng worth $11M, than Hinrich ever will for being worth $9M+.


I swear to God either you're a terrible judge of talent or don't follow what you pretend to talk about. I've followed and watched most Bulls games since the 3 C's, and even used to post in some hardcore Bulls forums. You judging Gordon only by his playoffs play stats and not games where he is bricking every shot, doing fadeaway 3's when he's wide open, throwing To's on 5 yd passes, and then asking for a close to max contract makes you clueless. Gordon was NOT worth the money he was asking until arguably last year. If you really think hes played that well for the last 3 years you have no idea wtf you're talking about. How many Bulls games have you watched in the last 3 yrs to know?

Nate has the same game as Gordon, and much less of the opportunities. You're a buffoon if you don't think they're similar players. Either you have never seen Nate play and drop 22 in a qtr acting like he isn't anywhere the player Gordon is, or you haven't seen Gordon play and are overrated him based on stats. They're more similar than any 2 players in the league that i can think of. Are you the one who made that terrible analogy list of other players that are similar earlier? If you did you're completely clueless.

Hinrich used to average a double double easily, and almost triple double type of stats when he was their main pg. He played great defense, played with more heart than the rest of the team, and was way better than the player you're seeing today.

Just answer me this. how many teams do you follow where you watch at least 50% of their games? If it doesn't include the Knicks or Bulls for the last couple years i don't know why you're pretending to know wtf you're talking about.

And just so you know Deng played AMAZING his rookie year. He was always in the right place at the right time, was a excellent blanket defender, and it seems like he was making his shots more back then than he's able to now. He was one of the best role player type stars i've ever seen that year constantly tippiing in shots or getting tough boards and doing all of the little things. Its almost like he's gotten worse since then since he hasn't been able to play to that same level imo but he's still good.

[Duncan21formvp]

Trade Rose to Portland for Roy