Trade Derek Fisher

[Wordup]

He turns the ball over way to many times now and is not as good at the 3pt anymore

[ronnymac]

If he is as bad as you say, why would anyone want him?

[Grinder]

What makes you think other teams will want to trade for him?

[NuggetsFan]

I agree the Lakers probably need to find a better answer at the point. But who are they really going to get with Fisher? Should probably keep Fish around just for the playoffs.

[hayden695]

This is why I hate Lakers fans. They are stacked at almost every position, but have a weak point so they freak out. Your team is the best in the league and won the championship last year, so just calm the f*ck down. if you want to b!tch about your team go to the Lakers Forum.

[cotdt]

We should get a good 3-point specialist, preferably one who is also a good defender, but such players are extremely rare. We can trade Fisher and Vujacic for Mo Williams or Heinrich though.

[ronnymac]

We should get a good 3-point specialist, preferably one who is also a good defender, but such players are extremely rare. We can trade Fisher and Vujacic for Mo Williams or Heinrich though.
You can? But i think Paxson and Ferry strongly disagree with you.

[el_locoteee]

Talk to the Memphis maybe they can give you another Pau Gasol.

[NuggetsFan]

We should get a good 3-point specialist, preferably one who is also a good defender, but such players are extremely rare. We can trade Fisher and Vujacic for Mo Williams or Heinrich though.

:roll: :roll: .

[TheGreatDeraj]

I've always wanted to trade for a PG like Hinrich or West, because everyone knew Fisher was going to start declining. He is still a valuable player who deserves minutes, but LA needs a replacement and I'm not sure if Farmar or Brown are capable. At this point I'm not sure if LA has the pieces to acquire anyone, but the Lakers FO always surprises us with nice trades, so I can't wait to see how they address this issues, whether it's this year or next.

[qrich]

We should get a good 3-point specialist, preferably one who is also a good defender, but such players are extremely rare. We can trade Fisher and Vujacic for Mo Williams or Heinrich though.

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[cotdt]

I've always wanted to trade for a PG like Hinrich or West, because everyone knew Fisher was going to start declining. He is still a valuable player who deserves minutes, but LA needs a replacement and I'm not sure if Farmar or Brown are capable. At this point I'm not sure if LA has the pieces to acquire anyone, but the Lakers FO always surprises us with nice trades, so I can't wait to see how they address this issues, whether it's this year or next.

Wasn't Cleveland planning on trading D-West due to his numerous psychological and personal issues? Maybe we can pick him up by trading Vujacic and Walton.

[goldenryan]

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glad i'm not the only one who found this funny. :lol :roll: :lol

[HylianNightmare]

Talk to minny or Portland they've got points up the ying yang

[itsGameTime]

I agree the Lakers probably need to find a better answer at the point. But who are they really going to get with Fisher? Should probably keep Fish around just for the playoffs.

Farmar + Morrison + Fisher for Billups :cheers:

[cotdt]

Farmar + Morrison + Fisher for Billups :cheers:

Yes. Get it done Mitch.

[west]

Wasn't Cleveland planning on trading D-West due to his numerous psychological and personal issues? Maybe we can pick him up by trading Vujacic and Walton.
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[AJ2k8]

OP is a moron, Derek's value to this team is way higher than any other team. This young team needs leaders which Derek is one, you're better off trading one of the other expiring contracts that aren't playing well.

[1~Gibson~1]

We should get a good 3-point specialist, preferably one who is also a good defender, but such players are extremely rare. We can trade Fisher and Vujacic for Mo Williams or Heinrich though.
Fisher for Mo......come on Cup-check! do it!!!!

lol seriously i'd try to get Steve Blake from Portland. If not, Beno Udrih, Sergio Rodriguez, Earl Watson, Travis Diener, or even Flip Murray.

Flip Murray, Steve Blake, and Beno Udrih would be my top 3 REALISTIC choices unless you plan on giving up a D-Fish and another starter.

[1~Gibson~1]

WFT

codtt wants all of the Cavs' PGs :lol

you already got Brown, now you want Williams and West :lol

Nate Robinson might be on the block too.

[Jakeh008]

The only reason Fisher is on the Lakers is for his daughters medical reasons.

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[YAWN]

We should get a good 3-point specialist, preferably one who is also a good defender, but such players are extremely rare. We can trade Fisher and Vujacic for Mo Williams or Heinrich though.
:oldlol: :wtf:

[drinkingforfun]

WTF to all the trade proposal in this thread.

[Posterize246]

We should get a good 3-point specialist, preferably one who is also a good defender, but such players are extremely rare. We can trade Fisher and Vujacic for Mo Williams or Heinrich though.
Dude add a 2nd round pick to that and Chris Paul is yours. Do it Lakers!

[YAWN]

fisher is not going anywhere, why any true lakers fan would want to get rid of fisher all together is beyond me. I agree that another pg should be brought in to take some weight off his shoulders but that can be attained with ammo and farmars contracts.

Fisher is still very valuable if he can be in a role where he get less minutes, and especially in situations where you need another 3 pt threat out there. how quickly you kids forget. smh

[1~Gibson~1]

im looking back at the stats and Fisher had 0 assists and he's ya'lls starting PG :lol

as a matter of fact, if you add up all of the assists from yalls team you get 10. 8 from Kobe, 2 from Brown. the Lakers need more Guard production outside of Kobe.

Gibson didnt play but 7 seconds :(
.....but then again 7 is my favorite number :party:

[1~Gibson~1]

If the Kings are willing to take on some salary, I'd love to see this deal go through:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

:D
that's just a link to the NBA trade machine. tell us the trade.

[ALBballer]

that's just a link to the NBA trade machine. tell us the trade.

Sorry, I can't save espn trades......

here's my idea:

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5343309

Knicks get Ammo, Farmar, Kenny Thomas

Lakers get Duhon and Jeffries

Sacremento gets Vujacic and Nate Robinson

I'm not sure if Sacremento or the Lakers would do the deal though......

[DuMa]

dfish for lebron. do it mitch

[nbastatus]

We should get a good 3-point specialist, preferably one who is also a good defender, but such players are extremely rare. We can trade Fisher and Vujacic for Mo Williams or Heinrich though.
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[NoGunzJustSkillz]

lakers don't need to trade derek fisher, but they seriously can't have this man start every game. he is seriously mis-matched at times. it's almost at the point where i wouldn't mind trading odom/or artest/or bynum for a quicker point guard. i believe in jordan farmer and i think he should get a chance to start over 4-5 games in a row span. this team is too good and i think we can afford to experiment. we've had issues at pg since 2003-04 imo.

[Diesel J]

This is why I hate Lakers fans. They are stacked at almost every position, but have a weak point so they freak out. Your team is the best in the league and won the championship last year, so just calm the f*ck down. if you want to b!tch about your team go to the Lakers Forum.

Exactly:lol

Fisher always saves this team with clutch shots (did in the finals vs orlando) and these Fakers fans still complain

[konex]

It's hard to blame Fish. He just physically can't guard quick guys. He couldn't do it when he was younger and he sure as hell can't do it now.

I blame Phil for not having the guts to bench him and start grooming Farmar. I also blame Jordan for playing inconsistently and not giving Phil confidence in him. How pathetic is it that Fish is starting over him when he can't do ANYTHING but shoot wide open shots?

[Babalu]

farmar (expirer)
adam morrison (expirer)

for

kirk hinrich. bulls get cap space for the big 2010 FA , we solve our pg problem.

[gasolina]

Why trade him when you can just stick him to the bench and be there to mentor your PG and hit clutch shots in the PO's.

Some Laker fans tend to overreact much

[RedBlackAttack]

It's hard to blame Fish. He just physically can't guard quick guys. He couldn't do it when he was younger and he sure as hell can't do it now.

I blame Phil for not having the guts to bench him and start grooming Farmar. I also blame Jordan for playing inconsistently and not giving Phil confidence in him. How pathetic is it that Fish is starting over him when he can't do ANYTHING but shoot wide open shots?
He has had a very sharp regression this year, from what I have seen. He was still a solid starter at the point last year and basically could still do everything that the Lakers needed from his role (good defense, occasional jumper, intensity, clutch, reliable ball-handler).

This year he looks like a guy who is on his way out of the league and no longer worthy of a starting position, especially on a title contender. It won't be easy to replace what Fisher brought to the Lakers last year, but I do think that a move is going to have to be made... Because you don't want to have to rely on Farmar for significant, increased minutes.

[Yuki Nagato]

Why do Lakers fans think the other teams goal is to provide star players to the lakers?

[1~Gibson~1]

Why do Lakers fans think the other teams goal is to provide star players to the lakers?
bunch of dumbasses. watch out though, they might throw their foam fingers at you :oldlol:

[miller-time]

lol, no loyalty from some of these lakers fans.

all the time derek fisher has put in for the team and they are willing to throw him away like a used tissue.

i really hope the lakers have a 10 year slump, just to remove the bandwagoners.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Derek Fisher has about as much trade value as I do.

[Lakers13]

We are having a trade Derek Fisher discussion? Really? Derek isnt the Lakers problem, its the bench and inconsistency with Bynum on defense. Dude will be a Laker till he retires, or his contract runs out. Get over it already.

[bada bing]

We should get a good 3-point specialist, preferably one who is also a good defender, but such players are extremely rare. We can trade Fisher and Vujacic for Mo Williams or Heinrich though.

LOL!!! Okay i didnt even want to post in the mbell roast and i was eager too. But this kills them all. You made me comeback to insidehoops. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[bagelred]

http://i47.tinypic.com/30argr9.png


Perfect for everyone. :cheers:

[momo]

You do not trade guys like that. Maybe he should not start of play as many mins as he does but you just do not let guys like that go.

[went_worth]

We should get a good 3-point specialist, preferably one who is also a good defender, but such players are extremely rare. We can trade Fisher and Vujacic for Mo Williams or Heinrich though.

Nice try. :oldlol:

[WeaponX2024]

When I watch Derek Fisher play, he can be selfish since he doesn't pass the ball too frequently. He frequently takes pull up jumpers with serious arc that I love. However, you don't give up a 4x NBA Champion who's made clutch shots when it matters the most, the playoffs. I would suggest decreasing his minutes first before just completely trading him. Shannon Brown has tons of potential if you ask me, I love his game.

[AJ2k8]

Too many bandwagon fans in here that apparently play too much basketball video games:roll:

[Anton Chigurh]

Typical Laker fans. Hate Fisher in the regular season, then come playoff time suck on his nuts so hard they impregnate their own throats.

[TryToBeUnbias]

Fisher doesnt need to be traded his minutes need to be decreased but unfortunately Farmar, our back up PG is Garbage and Brown is normally stepping in when Kobes steps off ..

[Jakeh008]

The only reason Fisher is on the Lakers is for his daughters medical reasons.

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[KingJay718]

I hope Fish retires a Laker. Yeah, he's declining, and he should head to the bench, but I don't want to see him in another uniform. His years in Utah and Golden State was kinda weird.

[konex]

He has had a very sharp regression this year, from what I have seen. He was still a solid starter at the point last year and basically could still do everything that the Lakers needed from his role (good defense, occasional jumper, intensity, clutch, reliable ball-handler).

This year he looks like a guy who is on his way out of the league and no longer worthy of a starting position, especially on a title contender. It won't be easy to replace what Fisher brought to the Lakers last year, but I do think that a move is going to have to be made... Because you don't want to have to rely on Farmar for significant, increased minutes.

He started ok last year but he really dropped off in the 2nd half. Also, he did NOTHING in the playoffs till gm4 of the Finals. I was actually surprised he got the starting job this year and it's quite an indictment of Jordan Farmar..

[Basketbolero]

They should try to trade for Calderon: good shooter, smart, doesn't turn the ball over much... and is unselfish unlike Farmar and Brown. I doubt they could put together a reasonable package for him though.

[Allstar24]

They should try to trade for Calderon: good shooter, smart, doesn't turn the ball over much... and is unselfish unlike Farmar and Brown. I doubt they could put together a reasonable package for him though.
LOL Fisher is selfish now? I'm sick of seeing these "trade Fisher" threads pop up after every loss. Get over it, he's not going anywhere. He's a Laker for life and it would be wrong to trade him at this point of his career after everything he's done for us. Jordan Farmar...that's the guy we should be talking about.

[Abraham Lincoln]

They should try to trade for Calderon: good shooter, smart, doesn't turn the ball over much... and is unselfish unlike Farmar and Brown. I doubt they could put together a reasonable package for him though.
That guy makes today's aging Fisher look like Scottie PIppen.

[Basketbolero]

LOL Fisher is selfish now? I'm sick of seeing these "trade Fisher" threads pop up after every loss. Get over it, he's not going anywhere. He's a Laker for life and it would be wrong to trade him at this point of his career after everything he's done for us. Jordan Farmar...that's the guy we should be talking about.

No, I'm not saying HE is selfish, but the backup guards are. Sorry if I didn't explain myself correctly. Fisher should never leave LA, he is crucial to them, and his importance goes beyond the court, that's something you can't trade for.

I am just saying they should get a PG that can share the minutes with him. They just need to get a guy that can play consistency for 20-22 minutes. Fisher playing around 25 minutes a night should be perfectly fine for them.

[LA.MJ&KB#1]

Everybody is a GM now..I wants whats best for the TEAM fisher PT should be reduce with no disrespect to him it business only..

[Juges8932]

I don't want to trade Fisher. One of my favorite players and I want him around.

[Basketbolero]

That guy makes today's aging Fisher look like Scottie PIppen.
Calderon should be fine on a good defensive team where is flaws are not as exposed.

[Juges8932]

Oh, and another thing. No way in Hell would I trade Fisher for Mr. I don't show up in playoffs when it really matters Williams.

[Allstar24]

No, I'm not saying HE is selfish, but the backup guards are. Sorry if I didn't explain myself correctly. Fisher should never leave LA, he is crucial to them, and his importance goes beyond the court, that's something you can't trade for.

I am just saying they should get a PG that can share the minutes with him. They just need to get a guy that can play consistency for 20-22 minutes. Fisher playing around 25 minutes a night should be perfectly fine for them.
This I agree with completely.

[sergiorodriguez]

people who talk shit about laker legend Derek Fisher and call for him to be traded are fake Lakers fans and probably not even from LA. They should be ignored. They ignore the fact that he never misses a shot in the last 2 minutes of close games and is our clutchest playoff performer, that's right clutcher than Kobe

[itsGameTime]

people who talk shit about laker legend Derek Fisher and call for him to be traded are fake Lakers fans and probably not even from LA. They should be ignored. They ignore the fact that he never misses a shot in the last 2 minutes of close games and is our clutchest playoff performer, that's right clutcher than Kobe

Only idiots wouldn't recognize Fisher's terrible inability to keep guards in front of him, no matter who he faces. Sure he hits clutch shots every once in awhile in the playoffs, but as Konex stated before, he did nothing in the playoffs until game 4 against the Magic. Before that round, his 3pt% shooting was atrocious. And if he's not hitting his shots, he's a defensive liability for the Lakers.

Keep Fish around, but bench him, I would much rather have someone that will commit on defense like a Kirk Hinrich or a Raja Bell type of player than someone who leaves his shooters wide open to try slap the ball away from a big and doesn't have the lateral speed to stay in front of any guard which hurts his team.

Yeah Fisher may have won the Lakers a few games every season and maybe 1 or 2 in the playoffs, but what you guys don't see is the number of games he helps the Lakers lose. Every PGs' eyes light up when they get to match up against Fisher, because they know that he can't guard them.

[All Net]

I love Fish but he is clearly the weak link in the starting 5. Lakers are so strong 2-5 that having a weakness at PG is bareable..can't be perfect.

[Lakers13]

I love Fish but he is clearly the weak link in the starting 5. Lakers are so strong 2-5 that having a weakness at PG is bareable..can't be perfect.


His D is a weakness, but he wont be traded. He still brings us leadership and clutch moments?

We just need to trade Ammo and pieces for a decent PG, like Captain Kirk.

[DukeDelonte13]

Oh, and another thing. No way in Hell would I trade Fisher for Mr. I don't show up in playoffs when it really matters Williams.

:oldlol: :oldlol:


i'd take mo over fish any day. This post season he'll show the NBA if he can ball or not though. Who knows :confusedshrug:

[All Net]

:oldlol: :oldlol:


i'd take mo over fish any day. This post season he'll show the NBA if he can ball or not though. Who knows :confusedshrug:

If he plays like he has lately then the Cavs are clearly a team who has a much better shot at winning it all than people think.

[ALBballer]

How about trade for Beno Udrih? Aren't the kings looking to get under the cap?

Beno Udrih and Nociono/Garcia

for

Ammo, Sasha Vujacic and Farmar

[GiveItToBurrito]

He has had a very sharp regression this year, from what I have seen. He was still a solid starter at the point last year and basically could still do everything that the Lakers needed from his role (good defense, occasional jumper, intensity, clutch, reliable ball-handler).

This year he looks like a guy who is on his way out of the league and no longer worthy of a starting position, especially on a title contender. It won't be easy to replace what Fisher brought to the Lakers last year, but I do think that a move is going to have to be made... Because you don't want to have to rely on Farmar for significant, increased minutes.

I agree. His defense is still actually pretty good against big PGs like Chauncey, but Rondo would destroy him in a finals series. Mo Williams would probably torch him, too, come to think of it. I like the Hinrich trade, too, although I'd think that the Bulls could get more for him than two scrubs with expirers.

[InspiredLebowski]

TJ Ford and a throwin for Fisher and Morrison? Eh? EH?!

C'mon guys, TJ Ford was born to play the triangle!

[ALBballer]

Bulls would trade Hinrich for exprirers in a heart beat.
:confusedshrug:

[oh the horror]

Im not sure if the answer is to flat out get rid of Fisher. I just think he is clearly NOT starter material anymore. Lakers need a PG that is fit to start, and take the bulk of the minutes.

[hayden695]

I would lol so hard if you guys actually got Calderon. You think fisher is bad at D? Calderon is the worst defender in the league (arguably) at any position. Every loss you guys got I can guarantee there would be a thread similar to this just with jose's name on it.

But go ahead take him, lord knows I hate his guts.

[1~Gibson~1]

Mo torched the Lakers then you wanted him
Beno torched the Lakers now you want him

fyi, you play the suns next :lol

[itsGameTime]

Mo torched Fisher then you wanted him
Beno torched Fisher now you want him

fyi, you play the suns next :lol

Fixed.

[CasterL]

glad i'm not the only one who found this funny. :lol :roll: :lol
i heart turban

[Sotheara]

He fits the triangle well, and he's reliable during crunch time. We don't need to trade him. Invest in Shannon Brown, and have him take Fisher's spot when he retires.

[flipogb]

people who talk shit about laker legend Derek Fisher and call for him to be traded are fake Lakers fans and probably not even from LA. They should be ignored. They ignore the fact that he never misses a shot in the last 2 minutes of close games and is our clutchest playoff performer, that's right clutcher than Kobe


the way I see it, if he wasn't so bad at keeping PGs in front of him and so much of a chucker , we wouldn't need those clutch shots

[gxL]

fisher is not clutcher than kobe, but defniitely clutcher than lebron james

[andgar923]

He turns the ball over way to many times now and is not as good at the 3pt anymore

I'll be more than glad to bring back this thread when Fish makes the big play for the Lakers in the playoffs or finals once 'again'.

LOL @ these FAKE Laker fans.

[sergiorodriguez]

to be clear who are the best defensive PGs in the league?

Rondo, Hinrich and Deron are great defenders, Kidd used to be but other than those guys I can't think of a solid defensive PG. Hinrich seems most likely but he is very mentally soft and shows a history of choking, not something we want in a championship team

[sergiorodriguez]

I'll be more than glad to bring back this thread when Fish makes the big play for the Lakers in the playoffs or finals once 'again'.

LOL @ these FAKE Laker fans.
qft

second clutchest playoff performer of the decade, second only to Robert Horry

[sergiorodriguez]

the way I see it, if he wasn't so bad at keeping PGs in front of him and so much of a chucker , we wouldn't need those clutch shots
this is the stupidest argument in basketball, you can also say if Kobe shot 55% games would never be close and he wouldnt have to hit last second game winners. You are a retard if you ever use that moronic argument again

[flipogb]

keep being foolled by fisher's shot you dumb fuc k bi tch, you are the stupidest poster, piece of s hit

[sergiorodriguez]

keep being foolled by fisher's shot you dumb fuc k bi tch, you are the stupidest poster, piece of s hit
damn kobe isn't shooting 55% he is hurting the lakers championship dreams, ship his ass out, lets bring in an effecient SG like Monta Ellis

[AJ2k8]

damn kobe isn't shooting 55% he is hurting the lakers championship dreams, ship his ass out, lets bring in an effecient SG like Monta Ellis
no no no, trade kobe for Paul(he is shooting lights out isnt he?) and trade derek and ammo for someone half decent at the SG and the lakers will shoot so high % they will never have to worry about using kobe and derek in the clutch:cheers:

[dbugz]

You guys need to talk to the Wolves they are building a PG factory there in Minnesota :lol

[indiefan23]

He turns the ball over way to many times now and is not as good at the 3pt anymore

I don't think I could help the Lakers too much, cuz that's about what they'd get for him. ;0

[oh the horror]

the way I see it, if he wasn't so bad at keeping PGs in front of him and so much of a chucker , we wouldn't need those clutch shots


This is the obvious truth to the situation. They WOULDNT need those clutch situations if the dude was holding the oppositions PGs down the way he should.


I mean when you have Aaron Brooks scorching your team for like 30, then you know something is wrong.


But I dont think Fisher should be traded...I think they KEEP him, but have him coming off the bench.

They should move other players for a solid PG

[Bigsmoke]

let the old man play.

[Diesel J]

fisher is not clutcher than kobe, but defniitely clutcher than lebron james


Fisher clearly has a higher clutch shot ratio than Kobe. Everytime the Lakers are in a close game or down in a game that the other team should win, Fisher always manages to come through with a big three. It happens everytime. Even the game this year between the lakers and mimai where Kobe hit the bank 3 at the buzzard, it was actually Fishers big 3 before that, that made the lakers chance for winning with the last shot possible.

[icemanfan]

He turns the ball over way to many times now and is not as good at the 3pt anymore
please trade Derek Fisher, the Spurs killer, right away.

[bagelred]

http://i47.tinypic.com/30argr9.png




C'mon, this is a great trade and you know it.

[kshutts1]

C'mon, this is a great trade and you know it.
Aside from the Lakers chemistry being great, and thus no reason to make a chance.. I do like the trade for both sides.

Knicks get more cap space, Lakers get a younger, similarly talented PG. Duhon doesn't command any leadership like Fish does, nor does he have the playoff/finals experience, but all can be remedied.

[1~Gibson~1]

This is the obvious truth to the situation. They WOULDNT need those clutch situations if the dude was holding the oppositions PGs down the way he should.


I mean when you have Aaron Brooks scorching your team for like 30, then you know something is wrong.


But I dont think Fisher should be traded...I think they KEEP him, but have him coming off the bench.

They should move other players for a solid PG
you're not gonna get a SOLID pg with players like Luke Walton, Jordan Farmar, and Sasha Vujacic fyi. If you want a SOLID pg, you're gonna need to trade D-Fish or possibly another starter.

[itsGameTime]

This is the obvious truth to the situation. They WOULDNT need those clutch situations if the dude was holding the oppositions PGs down the way he should.


I mean when you have Aaron Brooks scorching your team for like 30, then you know something is wrong.


But I dont think Fisher should be traded...I think they KEEP him, but have him coming off the bench.

They should move other players for a solid PG

This is what I have been saying all along. We got idiots in here who claim to be Laker fans like that Dfish fan from Australia and sergiorodriguez who isn't even a Laker fan talking like Fisher is some clutch god so that gives him a pass to get torched by every PG in this league.

Fact is exactly what you said, if PGs don't torch Fisher every night for 20+ pts and even more assists/pts from the penetration that Fisher allows, the game wouldn't ever come down to the final possession. It would be, more often than not, blowouts for the Lakers on a nightly basis.

As said before, give me Hinrich or Raja Bell, and sit Fisher on the bench.

[1~Gibson~1]

This is what I have been saying all along. We got idiots in here who claim to be Laker fans like that Dfish fan from Australia and sergiorodriguez who isn't even a Laker fan talking like Fisher is some clutch god so that gives him a pass to get torched by every PG in this league.

Fact is exactly what you said, if PGs don't torch Fisher every night for 20+ pts and even more assists/pts from the penetration that Fisher allows, the game wouldn't ever come down to the final possession. It would be, more often than not, blowouts for the Lakers on a nightly basis.

As said before, give me Hinrich or Raja Bell, and sit Fisher on the bench.
1. raja isnt a pg
2. i dont think raja and kobe are the best of friends :lol

[King Baron]

you're not gonna get a SOLID pg with players like Luke Walton, Jordan Farmar, and Sasha Vujacic fyi. If you want a SOLID pg, you're gonna need to trade D-Fish or possibly another starter.

The answer is to trade Bynum. Fisher shouldn't be traded

[Poodle]

they should sign Nate after he asks for a buyout. he has a better handle and jumper than Fisher, and Kobe would keep him under control from chucking. they still have to keep Fisher tho since he's one of their locker room leaders. no team is going to want Fisher that much anyways.

[kshutts1]

1. raja isnt a pg
2. i dont think raja and kobe are the best of friends :lol
You don't need a traditional PG in the Lakers system.

[Poodle]

Aside from the Lakers chemistry being great, and thus no reason to make a chance.. I do like the trade for both sides.

Knicks get more cap space, Lakers get a younger, similarly talented PG. Duhon doesn't command any leadership like Fish does, nor does he have the playoff/finals experience, but all can be remedied.


Duhon sux and whomeveer plays PG for the Lakers needs to be able to hit the 3 and break traps/pressure defense. Thats why Nate is a much cheaper and better option. Nate is basically untrappable, and can hit the J with the best of'em.

[TryToBeUnbias]

You don't need a traditional PG in the Lakers system.
Still doesnt neglect the fact that Raja and Kobe do not mix

[TryToBeUnbias]

Duhon sux and whomeveer plays PG for the Lakers needs to be able to hit the 3 and break traps/pressure defense. Thats why Nate is a much cheaper and better option. Nate is basically untrappable, and can hit the J with the best of'em.
We need a defensive PG who can hit 3's .. and make the occasional wide open lay-up

[ALBballer]

C'mon, this is a great trade and you know it.

I posted something similar. Lakers would be able to keep fisher in my trade idea. I don't know if the Kings would accept......

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5343309

[kshutts1]

Still doesnt neglect the fact that Raja and Kobe do not mix
Remains to be seen how that would work. I think they're both professional enough to hate each other during games, yet get along, more or less, outside of them. I don't think they have an actual hatred of each other... just the competition that brings out the best quality in each.. which is a desire to do anything to win.. and it clashes. I have played games with my friends where we beat the HELL out of each other playing.. but we're still friends.

I'm not saying they are friends.. just saying it's not unheard of to have such a conflict on the court.. but it's not always personal... and even if it was personal, they should be professional enough to work well on the court.

[Poodle]

We need a defensive PG who can hit 3's .. and make the occasional wide open lay-up


Fisher sux at breakiing pressure too. At least you get 2/3 with Nate, and he's practically free once he gets his buyout!

[Lamar Doom]

I don't really want to get into this discussion too much but let me throw in my 2 cents (without having read anything but the OP)

*Fisher finds new ways to be exposed for the defensive liability he is. He was never the quickest guy but he used to out-strong guys, now it's like he has no redeeming defensive quality. Chucky f*cking Atkins made him look bad.

*I honestly believe Kobe has some say in Fisher starting. He has some weird stubborn trust thing there, Phil does too but I truly believe Kobe's got his hand in there somewhere

*When Fisher isn't shooting well (aside from some big shots he hasn't shot well for almost a calender year now) it's very hard to understand why he's starting/playing


that's all, go back to unrealistic trade scenarios and b*tch at laker fans for complaining.

[1~Gibson~1]

they should sign Nate after he asks for a buyout. he has a better handle and jumper than Fisher, and Kobe would keep him under control from chucking. they still have to keep Fisher tho since he's one of their locker room leaders. no team is going to want Fisher that much anyways.
yea that makes sense. buyout out an expiring contract :lol

and miami would probably want Fisher


You don't need a traditional PG in the Lakers system.i realize that you run the triangle, but you're still gonna need a pg.

people have tried playing two SGs before in the backcourt and it hasnt worked out :no:

[KB2009Champ]

Ya'll need to keep up with the times. Raja and Kobe have been cool for a few years now.

[Poodle]

I don't really want to get into this discussion too much but let me throw in my 2 cents (without having read anything but the OP)

*Fisher finds new ways to be exposed for the defensive liability he is. He was never the quickest guy but he used to out-strong guys, now it's like he has no redeeming defensive quality. Chucky f*cking Atkins made him look bad.

*I honestly believe Kobe has some say in Fisher starting. He has some weird stubborn trust thing there, Phil does too but I truly believe Kobe's got his hand in there somewhere

*When Fisher isn't shooting well (aside from some big shots he hasn't shot well for almost a calender year now) it's very hard to understand why he's starting/playing


that's all, go back to unrealistic trade scenarios and b*tch at laker fans for complaining.


its because you don't bench your leaders. Kobe and Fisher are the Lakers leaders so he gets a long leash.

[Poodle]

yea that makes sense. buyout out an expiring contract :lol

and miami would probably want Fisher

i realize that you run the triangle, but you're still gonna need a pg.

people have tried playing two SGs before in the backcourt and it hasnt worked out :no:


Walsh said it was a possibility, and NY writers have also written about buying Nate out if he were willing to accept less.

[1~Gibson~1]

Remains to be seen how that would work. I think they're both professional enough to hate each other during games, yet get along, more or less, outside of them. I don't think they have an actual hatred of each other... just the competition that brings out the best quality in each.. which is a desire to do anything to win.. and it clashes. I have played games with my friends where we beat the HELL out of each other playing.. but we're still friends.

I'm not saying they are friends.. just saying it's not unheard of to have such a conflict on the court.. but it's not always personal... and even if it was personal, they should be professional enough to work well on the court.
:oldlol:

[asu77golf]

News flash to Laker fans:

NO ONE wants Adam Morrison, Vujacic, Farmar or Fisher.


You absolutely CAN NOT trade them all together for Billups, Nash, CP3 or Deron Williams.

Again, your trash is no one's treasure. They are not good by association, they are worthless.

[1~Gibson~1]

Walsh said it was a possibility, and NY writers have also written about buying Nate out if he were willing to accept less.
yea but probably not going to happen. NY writers have to have something to write about and as a GM you're always gonna keep your options open.

buying out Nate Robinson's expiring contract is stupid when you can just let it expire. there's more of a chance that he'll get traded than bought out.

[Poodle]

don't forget about Andre Miller....he's the next best thing if they aren't smart enough to go after Nate!!

[ALBballer]

News flash to Laker fans:

NO ONE wants Adam Morrison, Vujacic, Farmar or Fisher.


You absolutely CAN NOT trade them all together for Billups, Nash, CP3 or Deron Williams.

Again, your trash is no one's treasure. They are not good by association, they are worthless.

Not true, the Knicks want them.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/icons/icon11.gif

[kshutts1]

yea that makes sense. buyout out an expiring contract :lol

and miami would probably want Fisher

i realize that you run the triangle, but you're still gonna need a pg.

people have tried playing two SGs before in the backcourt and it hasnt worked out :no:
Jordan and Harper?

And as for laughing about Raja.. one poster said that the two get along well now , and even if it was a sarcastic comment, have you heard of MJ and Steve Kerr? I doubt they BBQed together after MJ punched Kerr... but they played pretty darn well together.

[1~Gibson~1]

don't forget about Andre Miller....he's the next best thing if they aren't smart enough to go after Nate!!
what, the Blazers are just gonna give him away? :oldlol:

sorry, but it's funny how Lakers fans think that every team is apart of some association where they get to pick and choose the top players at each position and trade Sasha Vujacic and Adam Morrison for them:roll:
It's hilarious.

[asu77golf]

Not true, the Knicks want them.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/icons/icon11.gif

:rant If anyone can pull off getting something out of nothing it's the Lakers FO. I just don't understand how they do it but they usually do. I'd be pissed but that's just how it is. That being said, I just don't see why anyone would want them. Just MO.

[Lakers13]

News flash to Laker fans:

NO ONE wants Adam Morrison, Vujacic, Farmar or Fisher.


You absolutely CAN NOT trade them all together for Billups, Nash, CP3 or Deron Williams.

Again, your trash is no one's treasure. They are not good by association, they are worthless.



So was Kwame Brown and Brian Cook :confusedshrug:

People will trade for expiring contracts to save money, its part of the game.

[Poodle]

what, the Blazers are just gonna give him away? :oldlol:

sorry, but it's funny how Lakers fans think that every team is apart of some association where they get to pick and choose the top players at each position and trade Sasha Vujacic and Adam Morrison for them:roll:
It's hilarious.


they're going to have to. Either him or Bayless, and right now there isn't room for both of them(with Blake).

[Lakers13]

what, the Blazers are just gonna give him away? :oldlol:

sorry, but it's funny how Lakers fans think that every team is apart of some association where they get to pick and choose the top players at each position and trade Sasha Vujacic and Adam Morrison for them:roll:
It's hilarious.

Its funny, but its we do always pull rabbits out of our asses.

Divac for Kobe
Kwame for Pau
Cook for Ariza

Im pretty sure we bamboozled somebody for the pick that would become Magic Johnson too.

[1~Gibson~1]

Jordan and Harper?

And as for laughing about Raja.. one poster said that the two get along well now , and even if it was a sarcastic comment, have you heard of MJ and Steve Kerr? I doubt they BBQed together after MJ punched Kerr... but they played pretty darn well together.
ok dude. whatever you say. as a matter of fact, i'd love Raja to go to LA and possibly cause turmoil with Kobe :confusedshrug:

Raja for Bynum it is!

[triangleoffense]

OP is a moron, Derek's value to this team is way higher than any other team. This young team needs leaders which Derek is one, you're better off trading one of the other expiring contracts that aren't playing well.

This, plus the fact that this guy absolutely lives for those last second shots. Remember the game against Miami when the lakers were down 4 with like 5 seconds to go? Fisher hit a 3 within those last 5 secs that made the game a 1 point game, and then kobe hit the final shot at the buzzer. Without Fisher that would not have been possible. Plus he draws more charges than any point in the league. He also commands the most respect in that locker room outside of Phil. during the playoffs last year it was fisher that made sure kobe wasn't the only one taking all the shots and made sure to launch it himself or pass it to the open man or in the paint whenever kobe seemed like he was becoming ball-hungry. Fisher is also the only player in the locker room that can keep kobe in check, and in Phil's system you need players like that since Phil allows the players to manage and police themselves. When Gasol wasn't getting enough touches during the playoffs it was Phil who said "why are you asking me? it's up to the players to decide who gets the most touches".

[1~Gibson~1]

Its funny, but its we do always pull rabbits out of our asses.

Divac for Kobe
Kwame for Pau
Cook for Ariza

Im pretty sure we bamboozled somebody for the pick that would become Magic Johnson too.
yea but some of these names are crazy

Mo Williams - who isnt really all that good on D either :hammerhead:
Jose Calderon - same as Mo
Andre Miller
Jared Bayless

i just dont see those happening. Not for Morrison and Vujacic. and you have to remember that Luke has 4 yrs and Vujacic has 2. farmar and brown both have 1 but you're not gonna get Andre Miller for him :ohwell:

[asu77golf]

Hey I know, how about Anthony Carter and Renaldo Balkman for Dwight Howard.

[1~Gibson~1]

Hey I know, how about Anthony Carter and Renaldo Balkman for Dwight Howard.
No!!!!!

now, if you throw in Adam Morrison, YES!!!!!!

[Lakers13]

yea but some of these names are crazy

Mo Williams - who isnt really all that good on D either :hammerhead:
Jose Calderon - same as Mo
Andre Miller
Jared Bayless

i just dont see those happening. Not for Morrison and Vujacic. and you have to remember that Luke has 4 yrs and Vujacic has 2. farmar and brown both have 1 but you're not gonna get Andre Miller for him :ohwell:

Out of those 4 Id say Miller is the most likely, but Portland doesnt trade with us.
Not saying its going to happen bu our PG play has been horrendous.

[asu77golf]

No!!!!!

now, if you throw in Adam Morrison, YES!!!!!!
:banana:

[itsGameTime]

Actually, Kobe and Raja Bell are pretty cool. Kobe discussed this before. He respects Bell's competitiveness whenever they play each other. The trade is more realistic than most of the trades in this thread. Bell only makes about 5 mill a year and currently is not playing. LA can pick him up for just Morrison, if GS is willing to do it.

A Bryant/Bell backcourt would be deadly on the defensive end, which is why most non-Laker fans are shooting it down. The triangle won't need a true PG. It just needs someone that can handle the ball to bring up court, hit the 3 ball and play defense. I hope Mitch is listening.

[1~Gibson~1]

Actually, Kobe and Raja Bell are pretty cool. Kobe discussed this before. He respects Bell's competitiveness whenever they play each other. The trade is more realistic than most of the trades in this thread. Bell only makes about 5 mill a year and currently is not playing. LA can pick him up for just Morrison, if GS is willing to do it.

A Bryant/Bell backcourt would be deadly on the defensive end, which is why most non-Laker fans are shooting it down. The triangle won't need a true PG. It just needs someone that can handle the ball to bring up court, hit the 3 ball and play defense. I hope Mitch is listening.
if you want Raja in LA, then so be it. but like i said, you're gonna need a pure point guard in no matter whatever system you have/run.

and Raja might be a good defender against bigger, slower guards, but i dont know if he can still keep up with quicker PGs like Mo, Beno, and Nash (last 3 opponents). and you definitely dont want Kobe wasting energy on them.

and no one is shooting it down because it would be a deadly combo, because you all said the same thing when Artest came to town and we all see how that turned out :ohwell:

[AJ2k8]

^^^I hope you're having fun:oldlol:

[1~Gibson~1]

^^^I hope you're having fun:oldlol:
what do you mean?

[itsGameTime]

if you want Raja in LA, then so be it. but like i said, you're gonna need a pure point guard in no matter whatever system you have/run.

and Raja might be a good defender against bigger, slower guards, but i dont know if he can still keep up with quicker PGs like Mo, Beno, and Nash (last 3 opponents). and you definitely dont want Kobe wasting energy on them.

and no one is shooting it down because it would be a deadly combo, because you all said the same thing when Artest came to town and we all see how that turned out :ohwell:

I will say it again, the triangle doesn't need a true PG. It just needs someone that can handle the ball, shoot the 3 ball and play defense. Three things that Raja Bell can do.

As for Artest, what do you mean? Artest has been great for the Lakers. He was LA's best player for the Cavs game. He single-handedly shut down Lebron from the perimeter last game (2-9 shooting). Lebron only made shots on the inside against him. The Lakers have overall improved as a defensive team, and Artest is their 1st/2nd player in +/-.

Raja Bell is still one of the top defenders in this league, and I don't think anyone could argue with that. He shut Kobe down in their last matchup when he was still a Bobcat. The Lakers need to take advantage of his thumb or wrist surgery and pick him up like the Cavs did with Leon Powe.

[1~Gibson~1]

I will say it again, the triangle doesn't need a true PG. It just needs someone that can handle the ball, shoot the 3 ball and play defense. Three things that Raja Bell can do.

As for Artest, what do you mean? Artest has been great for the Lakers. He was LA's best player for the Cavs game. He single-handedly shut down Lebron from the perimeter last game (2-9 shooting). Lebron only made shots on the inside against him. The Lakers have overall improved as a defensive team, and Artest is their 1st/2nd player in +/-.

Raja Bell is still one of the top defenders in this league, and I don't think anyone could argue with that. He shut Kobe down in their last matchup when he was still a Bobcat. The Lakers need to take advantage of his thumb or wrist surgery and pick him up like the Cavs did with Leon Powe.ok

[AJ2k8]

what do you mean?
You look like you're having fun taking the piss out of the "lakers fans" who want the 2010 all star lineup playing for the lakers.:cheers:

Just what it looked like after glancing over a few of your posts...

[Poodle]

I will say it again, the triangle doesn't need a true PG. It just needs someone that can handle the ball, shoot the 3 ball and play defense. Three things that Raja Bell can do.

As for Artest, what do you mean? Artest has been great for the Lakers. He was LA's best player for the Cavs game. He single-handedly shut down Lebron from the perimeter last game (2-9 shooting). Lebron only made shots on the inside against him. The Lakers have overall improved as a defensive team, and Artest is their 1st/2nd player in +/-.

Raja Bell is still one of the top defenders in this league, and I don't think anyone could argue with that. He shut Kobe down in their last matchup when he was still a Bobcat. The Lakers need to take advantage of his thumb or wrist surgery and pick him up like the Cavs did with Leon Powe.


Raja isn't a PG. His 3 shot has also been off ever since he had that great year with the Suns. Raja won't be able to handle pressure like a true PG.
You might as well be talking about playing 2 SG's, or starting Kobe at PG. Raja can't play PG.

I at least agree with you that the PG for the Lakers needs to be able to break pressure and hit the 3...i kind of think defensive comes with effort, and Kobe will bring Nate's defensive effort up if they sign him!

[1~Gibson~1]

You look like you're having fun taking the piss out of the "lakers fans" who want the 2010 all star lineup playing for the lakers.:cheers:

Just what it looked like after glancing over a few of your posts...
not really. i just dont think you can substitute a point guard with the triangle and he may not be able to keep up with quicker guards anymore.

but if you believe you can, and he can, then get it done mitch :confusedshrug:

[AJ2k8]

not really. i just dont think you can substitute a point guard with the triangle and he may not be able to keep up with quicker guards anymore.

but if you believe you can, and he can, then get it done mitch :confusedshrug:
No trust me i don't beleive you can, he can or mitch can:oldlol:

[TROLL_HUNTER]

Lakers will not trade Ariza just yet. they know they cannot get any true star PG (young one with a reasonable salary and great potential) in the NBA right now so they will wait for their opportunity to come. and i bet my wallet at this very moment that the future laker PG is not in the nba at the moment. If you want a couple of hints, here they are:

he has been MVP in his current league past weekend. 18 pts / 5 assists and impressive handle of the most important basketball game in that country, leading the team to a great away victory

his current rights holder in the nba will trade him to the Lakers cos they already got a good young PG already playing in nba.

If another clue is needed, despite his name is not Kobe, he already has got a legion of haters! :D

[TryToBeUnbias]

Lakers will not trade Ariza just yet. they know they cannot get any true star PG (young one with a reasonable salary and great potential) in the NBA right now so they will wait for their opportunity to come. and i bet my wallet at this very moment that the future laker PG is not in the nba at the moment. If you want a couple of hints, here they are:

he has been MVP in his current league past weekend. 18 pts / 5 assists and impressive handle of the most important basketball game in that country, leading the team to a great away victory

his current rights holder in the nba will trade him to the Lakers cos they already got a good young PG already playing in nba.

If another clue is needed, despite his name is not Kobe, he already has got a legion of haters! :D
:violin:

[TROLL_HUNTER]

:violin:



LOL :banghead: i have had a tough day at the office Today....i wonder what the hell Ariza did to me...:D

anyway, you got the point:ohwell:

[Grinder]

Still want to trade Fisher?

[Marv_Albert]

LOL! :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[artex]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Yung D-Will]

You'd think people would learn after the big shots against Orlando last year

[InspiredLebowski]

man, someone was just waiting to bump this

[LA_Showtime]

You'd think people would learn after the big shots against Orlando last year

Please. In no way does a couple of big shots equal what Fisher did tonight. He looked like Michael Jordan.

[Lakers13]

We are having a trade Derek Fisher discussion? Really? Derek isnt the Lakers problem, its the bench and inconsistency with Bynum on defense. Dude will be a Laker till he retires, or his contract runs out. Get over it already.


Damn I look good here :D

[Wordup]

Sanctimonious hyperbole