Is there any series out there were the characters could beat DBZ?

[supersmashbros]

I am just curious if there are any fictional superhumans who can beat the DBZ or DB cast in combat. There are lots of anime forums on the topic of DBZ/DB vs. Naruto, Bleach, and/or One Piece and etc. The problem is I don't think of those characters would stand any chance against the DB series (especially DBZ).
The characters in DBZ are just too ridiculously strong. They can blow up mountains, level cities, and shatter planets with ease. And that's early in the series before they started becoming even more ridiculously powerful.

I don't see any characters from any other anime series with anywhere near that kind of power especially Bleach, Naruto, and One Piece. Could somebody please give me some examples of animes/manga or any series where the characters could own DBZ in combat? And please don't make this a popularity contest where fanboys just asser their favorite non-DBZ series would win with no valiad reason.

[HylianNightmare]

Gt

[Automajic23]

lol GT >>> Z, Now that I think about it, all those years watching DBZ/GT and I never stopped to think, wtf theyre too powerful for the platforms theyre fighting on.

[HylianNightmare]

lol GT >>> Z, Now that I think about it, all those years watching DBZ/GT and I never stopped to think, wtf theyre too powerful for the platforms theyre fighting on.

Yeah the end of z and gt was just dumb they could all just desroy planets and everything too easily

[wang4three]

Galactus.

[Black Joker]

I'm not sure anyone could really beat them in combat.
Light Yagami from Death Note, can auto-win by writing their names but thats not combat.
There are people who can alter reality like Suzumiya Haruhi from The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, who is in almost no exaggeration, God.
Aizen from bleach can control your senses.

but in straight combat. Dragonball characters are just no joke

[Abd El-Krim]

Twilight vamps ftw.

[supersmashbros]

I'm not sure anyone could really beat them in combat.
Light Yagami from Death Note, can auto-win by writing their names but thats not combat.
There are people who can alter reality like Suzumiya Haruhi from The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, who is in almost no exaggeration, God.
Aizen from bleach can control your senses.

but in straight combat. Dragonball characters are just no joke
The only anime I can think of where the characters are about as ridiculously powerful as DBZ or GT is Yu Yu Hakusho. They had super natural abilities and could blow up planets and etc...too.

[rezznor]

never saw GT. is it even more ridiculous then Z?

[BlazersDozen]

Obvious Answer...

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x287/MaggieLuvsGoodCharlotte/PowerRangersMMPR.jpg

[boozehound]

wtf are you talking about?

[Anton Chigurh]

http://rortybomb.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/dr-manhattan.jpg

he'll just imagine that dbz never existed and it will never exist :lol

[LJJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvFsrlTe40Q&NR=1

Classic. I loved that show, it's so much cheese every episode.

[Poodle]

Pokemon, HelloKitty, Princess Amelie could beat DBZ's ass

[Juges8932]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvFsrlTe40Q&NR=1

Classic. I loved that show, it's so much cheese every episode.

I never understood the obsession with that scene lol? What's so funny about it? Just the way Vegeta/Nappa freak out about his power level being>9000?

[Pinkhearts]

The bible.

God and Jesus can kick DBZ ass

[Juges8932]

To answer OP question- no. I haven't seen anything where characters can hang with DBZ characters. Don't really see how it gets more powerful, especially considering the DBZ characters just keep getting stronger.

[oh the horror]

I believe the OP is strictly talking about a cartoon series on TV.


So no...I dont recall seeing anyone as powerful as DBZ characters.


I believe the end, and top that the DB characters have achieved was SSJ level 4 Goku and Vegeta fusing together...

http://www.portal-cifi.com/scifi/images/noticias/fusiongoku_vegeta_gogeta_ss4.jpg

[Disaprine]

nearly half of Marvel and DC.

[flipogb]

nearly half of Marvel and DC.
sure there are a couple on both sides, but half ? no way

[oh the horror]

Yeah but the OP is talking about cartoons series on television.

[Kungfro]

http://www.insidesocal.com/modernmyth/TengenToppaGurrenLagann.jpg

[HylianNightmare]

never saw GT. is it even more ridiculous then Z?

:lol yeah with super saiyin 4's and all the fuzions it just got to be a little much

[HylianNightmare]

I believe the OP is strictly talking about a cartoon series on TV.


So no...I dont recall seeing anyone as powerful as DBZ characters.


I believe the end, and top that the DB characters have achieved was SSJ level 4 Goku and Vegeta fusing together...

http://www.portal-cifi.com/scifi/images/noticias/fusiongoku_vegeta_gogeta_ss4.jpg
this, i remember i read an article that figured out the characters power levels once using quotes from the show and some common sense, i'm gonna try to find it

[supersmashbros]

Yeah but the OP is talking about cartoons series on television.
Actually I am talking about any series of fiction. btw, Watchman imagining them out of existence doesn't really count because I should have stated that no omnipotent characters are allowed in this versus match.
So basically anyone who could basically destroy or alter the entire fabric of space and time a big no no. Superman, although seemingly indestructible, would count because he isn't omnipotent and still beatable. Of course, I don't like to hear about Superman vs the Zfighters all the time because they are mentioned to much also.

[IcanzIIravor]

I am just curious if there are any fictional superhumans who can beat the DBZ or DB cast in combat. There are lots of anime forums on the topic of DBZ/DB vs. Naruto, Bleach, and/or One Piece and etc. The problem is I don't think of those characters would stand any chance against the DB series (especially DBZ).
The characters in DBZ are just too ridiculously strong. They can blow up mountains, level cities, and shatter planets with ease. And that's early in the series before they started becoming even more ridiculously powerful.

I don't see any characters from any other anime series with anywhere near that kind of power especially Bleach, Naruto, and One Piece. Could somebody please give me some examples of animes/manga or any series where the characters could own DBZ in combat? And please don't make this a popularity contest where fanboys just asser their favorite non-DBZ series would win with no valiad reason.

Yugio alone could beat any of them with his Dark Magician.

[vapid]

Actually I am talking about any series of fiction. btw, Watchman imagining them out of existence doesn't really count because I should have stated that no omnipotent characters are allowed in this versus match.
So basically anyone who could basically destroy or alter the entire fabric of space and time a big no no. Superman, although seemingly indestructible, would count because he isn't omnipotent and still beatable. Of course, I don't like to hear about Superman vs the Zfighters all the time because they are mentioned to much also.
So basically any powerful telepath could win.

[miller-time]

The bible.

God and Jesus can kick DBZ ass

beat me to it.

http://kiddmillennium.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/jesus-thumps-up1.jpg

[oh the horror]

Oh, well if thats the case, then Eternity trumps all. He's like literally God. Like....he is everywhere around you at once. Hes the entire universe.


http://marvel.com/universe3zx/images/thumb/c/c5/Eternitystand.jpg/440px-Eternitystand.jpg


Or perhaps, Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet. He could literally do anything he thought up.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/27967/649960-thanos_representing_super.jpg


And then there was cosmic spider man

http://losthemisphere.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/cosmicspidey.jpg



Those are some of the most powerful people ive ever read about.

[vapid]

Beyonder, Living Tribunal and probably Franklin Richards> those guys.

[Brandon Roy]

http://bensbreakfastblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/chuck20norriswk7.jpg

[EDART King]

DBZ was okay, but not one of the best series out there.

Give me Fist of the North Star (Hokuto No Ken) any day over any DB/DBZ/DBGT. Characters actually died, there was legit violence being shown. Episode to episode you really had no clue what would happen aside from Ken himself dieing. There was no spirit realm to wish people back from. Once your dead you are dead.

FOTNS is probably the best really long standing manga series that I've seen (though I honeslty don't watch a lot).

[supersmashbros]

Oh, well if thats the case, then Eternity trumps all. He's like literally God. Like....he is everywhere around you at once. Hes the entire universe.


http://marvel.com/universe3zx/images/thumb/c/c5/Eternitystand.jpg/440px-Eternitystand.jpg


Or perhaps, Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet. He could literally do anything he thought up.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/27967/649960-thanos_representing_super.jpg

And then there was cosmic spider man

http://losthemisphere.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/cosmicspidey.jpg



Those are some of the most powerful people ive ever read about.
Like I said, omnipotent characters don't count. And that obviously includes Chuck Norris.

In terms of actual destructive fighting ability, nobody can top the people in DBZ imo. They just caused way too much destruction when or wherever they fought.

Don't get me wrong. The show was very corny. The level of destruction in the fights don't show any increase throughout the show even the characters were always getting stronger and stronger. That just didn't make much sense to me. I mean the people near the beginning of the series looked pretty much as destructive as near the end (after all even Vegeta at 18 000 power level before even arriving at Earth could destroy any entire planet with a single energy blast).

[endorphins]

the riddler

[Disaprine]

sure there are a couple on both sides, but half ? no way
couple my ass :lol i stand by what i said

[Disaprine]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/27967/745047-prime.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/15297/610353-doomsday_super.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5469/203894-47626-hal-jordan_super.jpg

Id love to see anyone from DBZ try to hurt them :lol

[beasted86]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c9/Galactus.PNG

[supersmashbros]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c9/Galactus.PNG
Well we aren't talking about omnipotent or demigod characters. How are you suppose to fight something that size in the first place? And could somebody list to me what Superman and whatever human sized Marvel character has over the DBZ fighters in terms of fighting ability. To be honest, I don't see a single ACTUAL fighting advantage Superman has.

[beasted86]

Well we aren't talking about omnipotent or demigod characters. How are you suppose to fight something that size in the first place? And could somebody list to me what Superman and whatever human sized Marvel character has over the DBZ fighters in terms of fighting ability. To be honest, I don't see a single ACTUAL fighting advantage Superman has.
Superman has instant power, he doesn't need to charge up.

[supersmashbros]

Superman has instant power, he doesn't need to charge up.
But he never gets stronger and he only gets weaker as he depletes his power reserves. He needs to get his power from solar energy. And the DBZ characters are even ridiculously powerful without charging up.

[Black Joker]

Another anime counterpart challenger.

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/2488/520957-haruhi_suzumiya_large.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haruhi_Suzumiya_%28character%29)

Just don't really piss this lady. If anyone does, not only anyone in DBZ series, we are all doomed, seriously.
:cheers: good choice

[Kungfro]

Another anime counterpart challenger.

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/2488/520957-haruhi_suzumiya_large.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haruhi_Suzumiya_%28character%29)

Just don't really piss this lady. If anyone does, not only anyone in DBZ series, we are all doomed, seriously.

http://i47.tinypic.com/2qa8wgw.jpg

[bdreason]

Thanos was a good answer. He wasn't really a god, but when he had all the gems or whatever it was, he could pretty much just stomp anyone.

[bdreason]

BTW I've never seen DBZ (Dragon Ball Z, right?), so I have no idea how powerful those characters are.

[Lebron23]

I like the Original Dragon Ball Series because their main characters were not overpowered.

[Rojogaqu11]

There was this anime I used to watch in spanish where this dudes wore mythologycal armors and protected Athena. There were some guys who could fight at the speed of light without need to charge up, they could control the senses, the mind, make illusions, poisons, paralisys, telekinesis, send opponents to different dimensions, etc.

It's an old cartoon that failed here in the US because of stupid disney-like editing out of the violence, but some of the characters, while not being omnipotent, were pretty over the top. Just being able to move and attack at the speed of light instantaneously plus all the other combat skills and abilities, just give em a good chance to assassin most characters in any comic, that take time charge up, conjure, or whatever they do to summon their powers.

I found a video of some of the charactes, the anime is called Saint Seiya and was pretty famous back in the day and one of my old time favorites:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQkzxfN6jeQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDsGPelnoBc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl9Xc6wSVq4

[Mamba]

the hulk and wolverine. moreso the hulk.

the hulk gets stronger and stronger the angrier he gets, plus he regenerates rapidly. wolverine is the same, the guy is made of animantium and regenerates superfast, as proven by the xmen3 movie, with the phoenix trying to kill him he still killed her even though she blew half the island away much like DBZ

[Mista Kool]

I think the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles could give them a run for their money.

[LJJ]

I never understood the obsession with that scene lol? What's so funny about it? Just the way Vegeta/Nappa freak out about his power level being>9000?

It's not funny if you've watched and liked DBZ.

But imagine someone who has never seen any DBZ watching that scene.

[DatDudeD]

I really cant think of any that can MATCH them in Hand to hand combat, they are ridiculously strong. Of course there are people in the Comic universe that could easily beat them but i cant think of anyone in Anime/manga that could take them in a headup fight.

[bigkingsfan]

Geeks... all of you.

[Rojogaqu11]

The only non-god saint that is badass enough and could match DBZ warriors is Canon.

what? no man, what about his twin brother that can control minds, send you to another dimension, or nullify your five senses?

I also remember this dude that with his flute could diminish your power to 1% while it liquified your brain with a tune.

Or that dude from the second video can take your five senses too, send you through six hells, and some other weird buddha stuff.

There's plenty of crazy dudes, like that guy from the gold saints that takes your soul out of your body and can kill the body while the enemy tries to get back to his body. Even he was a weak dude compared to other characters and he could still fight at insta-light-speed like the rest. I don't know.

Man this show had a lot of cool characters, too bad they ruined it here.

[supersmashbros]

Vegeta could blow up planets as a kid. Towards the end of the show all the characters are like a billion times stronger then that (seriously the numbers got out of hand)

Unless the Hulk is harder to blow up then a trillion planets...
Like I said, I am not convinced that any characters can beat the DBZ characters in hand to hand combat. Being ominpotent and 'imagining somebody out of existence' doesn't count. I mean some ppl debate other forums how Bleach characters could match the power and speed of DBZ characters. And that is just ridiculous!

[vapid]

Basically you're just disqualifying people who could beat DBZ characters.

What would a DBZ character do against Iceman? You can't punch him to death since he's made out of water crystals. He could just freeze the DBZ guys' innards since he can get close to absolute zero. The DBZ guys had a hard (really hard) time killing Majinn Buu and Iceman's survivability rate is 100x that.

[Anton Chigurh]

lol this thread is stupid. any character you name the op just disqualifies it saying its too op. gtfo. there are tons of characters in other cartoon series that can pretty much just look at any dbz character and wtfpwn them. if you didnt want "op" characters then you should have said that in your first post. anyways i still think dr. manhattan is the single most powerful anime/manga/comic character of all time.

http://livvyjams.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/drmanhattanfromtrailer.jpg

[vapid]

doc manhattan isn't even close to the top.

[zabuza666]

Actually I am talking about any series of fiction. btw, Watchman imagining them out of existence doesn't really count because I should have stated that no omnipotent characters are allowed in this versus match.
So basically anyone who could basically destroy or alter the entire fabric of space and time a big no no. Superman, although seemingly indestructible, would count because he isn't omnipotent and still beatable. Of course, I don't like to hear about Superman vs the Zfighters all the time because they are mentioned to much also.

Superman would get ****ing stomped

[AznBBoyX]

Basically you're just disqualifying people who could beat DBZ characters.

What would a DBZ character do against Iceman? You can't punch him to death since he's made out of water crystals. He could just freeze the DBZ guys' innards since he can get close to absolute zero. The DBZ guys had a hard (really hard) time killing Majinn Buu and Iceman's survivability rate is 100x that.

Uh, gigantic fireball that incinerates Iceman and all the water/ice particles, whatever the hell he's made out of? How's that for ultimate annihilation?

[vapid]

Uh, gigantic fireball that incinerates Iceman and all the water/ice particles, whatever the hell he's made out of? How's that for ultimate annihilation?
He can regenerate from any single water crystal, so good luck doing that.

[1~Gibson~1]

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[Anton Chigurh]

http://specialedandme.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/teletubbies-happypreview.png

/thread

[Kobe681]

lol this thread is stupid. any character you name the op just disqualifies it saying its too op. gtfo. there are tons of characters in other cartoon series that can pretty much just look at any dbz character and wtfpwn them. if you didnt want "op" characters then you should have said that in your first post. anyways i still think dr. manhattan is the single most powerful anime/manga/comic character of all time.



Top Ten Most Powerful Comic Book Characters- By Listverse.com (http://listverse.com/2009/10/13/top-10-most-powerful-comic-book-characters/)

Not that I'm agreeing or disagreeing with you, just thought you might enjoy this read. Actually, i think anyone posting in this thread would find this a good read.

There are actually a lot of good lists on this site.

[oh the horror]

Nekron


http://www.multiversodc.com/v2/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/blackest-night-5-capa.jpg

[KOLBCTEW]

I'm not sure anyone could really beat them in combat.
Light Yagami from Death Note, can auto-win by writing their names but thats not combat.

Death Note only works on human beings.

So basically any powerful telepath could win.
Not necessarily saiyans have shown strong resistance to powerful mind control and Goku is already a minor telepath.

The level of destruction in the fights don't show any increase throughout the show even the characters were always getting stronger and stronger. That just didn't make much sense to me. I mean the people near the beginning of the series looked pretty much as destructive as near the end (after all even Vegeta at 18 000 power level before even arriving at Earth could destroy any entire planet with a single energy blast).
You do realize they already showed Kid Buu destroying a galaxy..

Basically you're just disqualifying people who could beat DBZ characters.

What would a DBZ character do against Iceman? You can't punch him to death since he's made out of water crystals. He could just freeze the DBZ guys' innards since he can get close to absolute zero. The DBZ guys had a hard (really hard) time killing Majinn Buu and Iceman's survivability rate is 100x that.
Majin Buu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Iceman






He can regenerate from any single water crystal, so good luck doing that.Cell could regenerate from a single cell,
Kid Buu could regenerate from vapor.

[rezznor]

got this from the link above



http://listverse.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/234400-54503-anti-monitor_super.jpg

Very little has been revealed about this character. What is known is that A-M is the embodiment of all the anti-matter in existence. This makes him a threat to the entire omniverse through his near limitless cosmic powers. It has been alluded that his purpose was to eliminate all matter in the omniverse, leaving only anti-matter behind. This would essentially make him “God”. Anti-Monitor has shown the ability to absorb entire universes, manipulate matter and energy on a cosmic scale and transform the very essence of reality.





http://listverse.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/imperiex-tm.jpg
Imperiex is the DC Comics version of Galactus. A being whose plan was to hasten the end of the universe by collapsing galaxies into super black holes and create a new, perfect universe with the corresponding release of energy. Imperiex wields near omnipotent power derived from the big bang and has been described as an energy being requiring a material shell. It has shown the ability to project immensely powerful energy blasts and exert its will through a near infinite supply of “probes” which are capable of annihilating entire planets.



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http://splashpage.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/071509_stanlee.jpg

[ErhnamDjinn]

Ice man, Phoenix and all the Omega class mutants could probably stand toe to toe with them. Flash also from the DC series

[supersmashbros]

I am starting to wonder where Wolverine would rank in power in the DB/DBZ universe. I am guessing the Wolverine from Xmen Origins would probably rank at mid DB at best in power and King Piccolo and even Tien should be able to make short work of him. Wolverine is just too damn slow even though his claws could do some pretty nasty damage if he is lucky enough to land a hit that is!

[rezznor]

Ice man, Phoenix and all the Omega class mutants could probably stand toe to toe with them. Flash also from the DC series
the problem for me is the speed that the dbz characters move at. anime characters in general are usually able to move much faster then western characters. watch a spiderman or superman cartoon. these guys are supposed to be pretty damn fast and quick but when animated they move at a normal speed usually whereas i am always seeing anime characters blinking all over the damn screen.

the one thing the western characters have going for them though is that they have a good chance to get a shot in while the DBZ character spend 15 minutes posing or powering up :oldlol:

[KOLBCTEW]

I am starting to wonder where Wolverine would rank in power in the DB/DBZ universe. I am guessing the Wolverine from Xmen Origins would probably rank at mid DB at best in power and King Piccolo and even Tien should be able to make short work of him. Wolverine is just too damn slow even though his claws could do some pretty nasty damage if he is lucky enough to land a hit that is!He'd have difficulty beating Goku at the beginning of dragonball; he's not even close to mid DB power.

[KOLBCTEW]

You're basing Wolvie's skills on Origins :roll: :roll: :roll:

Wolverine is one of the toughest mo-f*cks ever. He may not have the speed of those douchey anime guys, but he will never die. You can never get rid of him. He almost killed the Hulk for Christ's sakes.
Wolverine almost killed Hulk?? Didn't Hulk snap him in half...

[boozehound]

Little Britain and TrailerParkBoys could easily kill whatever anime bullcrap you are talking about. Without the animator, they are nothing.

[rezznor]

trivia: wolverine's first appearance was in a fight against the hulk.

[KOLBCTEW]

He almost did. He ripped into his chest and got to his heart before Hulk stopped him.

They've fought a few times, but I don't remember exactly what happened each time.That wouldn't have killed the hulk, Hulk can regenerate internal organs and has already regenerated from a near skeletal state. Only reason Wolverine wasn't immediately punt kicked into orbit was because the writers wanted to make the fight last longer.

[rezznor]

Hulk 180/181 right? It was like 2 or 3 parts.



Well yeah, but Wolverine can't exactly die either. So it's moot on both sides.
yeh, i think those were the correct issues. also, his original mask was different. the old one was more cat like and had whiskers.

[KOLBCTEW]

Hulk 180/181 right? It was like 2 or 3 parts.



Well yeah, but Wolverine can't exactly die either. So it's moot on both sides.
Umm, noooo... Both can easily die if they faced a character that was out of their league, they just have high levels of regeneration more so with the Hulk . If Hulk chose to rip out each of Wolverines internal organs after he ripped him in half Wolverine would die a slow and painful death. Plus It's already been confirmed by Xavier that decapitation would work as well.

[rezznor]

Umm, noooo... Both can easily die if they faced a character that was out of their league, they just have high levels of regeneration more so with the Hulk . If Hulk chose to rip out each of Wolverines internal organs after he ripped him in half Wolverine would die a slow and painful death. Plus It's already been confirmed by Xavier that decapitation would work as well.
in an alternate universe issue wolverine was shown to regenerate from one single cell

[Anton Chigurh]

a hulk vs. wolverine figth is a must on the big screen. what the **** kind of movie was wolverine origins. i was so excited because i was for sure they were going to have a hulk confrontation. but no

[Anton Chigurh]

I remember people talking about that, when it was put out. I have read comics in ages, I can't stand the art anymore. Too digital.

:applause:

This is exactly why I stopped reading also. I miss hand drawn :(

[rezznor]

a hulk vs. wolverine figth is a must on the big screen. what the **** kind of movie was wolverine origins. i was so excited because i was for sure they were going to have a hulk confrontation. but no
wont happen. Fox owns the right to all the Xmen, fantastic four and daredevil characters, sony owns spiderman, Marvel owns the rights to the rest.

[KOLBCTEW]

in an alternate universe issue wolverine was shown to regenerate from one single cellSheesh now they're just going overboard, why not make Wolvy an omega level mutant while you're at it

[vapid]

Death Note only works on human beings.

Not necessarily saiyans have shown strong resistance to powerful mind control and Goku is already a minor telepath.

You do realize they already showed Kid Buu destroying a galaxy..

Majin Buu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Iceman





Cell could regenerate from a single cell,

Kid Buu could regenerate from vapor.

Kid Buu died because he was arrogant, he could've dodged that ki blast but instead tried to push it back. He got jobbed, no way he really should've lost against Goku or Vegeta. Same with Cell really but Iceman can regenerate from any water crystal basically, much more prevalent than Cell's regenerative capabilities.

Also notice I said any POWERFUL telepath. Emma Frost, Jean Grey, Professor X, Martian Manhunter, Cassandra Nova, etc. all stand at least a little chance.

Flash is also the most overpowered non-cosmic entity imo. His powerset dwarfs the DBZ guys. He could freeze the Z fighters, (stealing kinetic energy), effortlessly dodge any attack, punch at light speed, vibrate through them causing them to explode, etc.

[supersmashbros]

He'd have difficulty beating Goku at the beginning of dragonball; he's not even close to mid DB power.
I hope your talking about about DB (not DBZ when some of the characters had planet busting power). I was being generous saying that he had power comparable to mid DB.

Honestly, I can't see Wolverine being able to kick ass in the World Martial Arts Tournament with Tien, Yamcha, Goku, Roshi, and King Piccolo. He would still be a pretty interesting to have hypothetically in the show at that point as either a minor villain/just random fighter imo.

How high do you think Wolverine's power level would be? I know the main characters (Piccolo, Goku, Roshi, and etc) were only the hundred's PL yet they could still blow up mountains, cities, islands, and etc.

[vapid]

I hope your talking about about DB (not DBZ when some of the characters had planet busting power). I was being generous saying that he had power comparable to mid DB.

Honestly, I can't see Wolverine being able to kick ass in the World Martial Arts Tournament with Tien, Yamcha, Goku, Roshi, and King Piccolo. He would still be a pretty interesting to have hypothetically in the show at that point as either a minor villain/just random fighter imo.

How high do you think Wolverine's power level would be? I know the main characters (Piccolo, Goku, Roshi, and etc) were only the hundred's PL yet they could still blow up mountains, cities, islands, and etc.
You can just toss wolverine out of the ring, he can't fly.

[supersmashbros]

You can just toss wolverine out of the ring, he can't fly.
We aren't talking about a Martial Arts tourney. We are talking life and death fighting and who Wolverine has a chance against in DB and when in the series (not DBZ bc we all know he isn't anywhere near their league).

Here's a better DBZ vs Marvel/DC thread...
http://www.comicvine.com/freeza/29-40737/frieza-vs-superman/92-21261/?
This is what the author of this thread says about Frieza vs Superman. A very interesting read for the comicbook nerd:D :D

People always put goku vs Superman but if you know much about both characters.. pitting goku vs superman is uneven. If Doomsday gives superman trouble and darkseid then goku would not kill supes but would knock him out as many times as he pleases(you cant kill supes with a yellow sun intact.). Goku would short circuit his supes solar battery for sure. it will take a few days for that battery to recharge lol. NBow onto why i think frieza vs superman is the best dbz/DC crossover matchup.. here is why.

the match up:

Supes = super good guy

Frieza= viscous galactic tyrant

superman= can breathe in space and endure all climates

frieza= can breathe in space and endure all climates

superman= can move beyond light speed.

Frieza = can move beyond light speed.

Superman= Has unlimited physical Strength.

Frieza= Has almost unlimited physical strength

Superman= has fantastic striking power. Can shatter windows in entire city's with full force strikes.

Frieza= has phenominal striking power. Can make earth pounding nova bursts with his full force strikes.

Superman= impervious to death under a yellow sun. Can take almost unlimited amount of punishment in his universe.

Frieza= highly resistant to punishment. Takes unfathomable planet crushing striking power to even make this tyrant move a muscle.

Superman= has a very powerful heat ray that can damage most villains in his universe.

Frieza= Has planet destroying energy with the flick of his finger.

Superman= Is known to charge and brawl opponents beyond light speed.

frieza= is known to fight at expert martial arts levels far beyond light speed.

Superman= has no mental powers but has super senses (vision, hearing sight ect ect.)

Frieza= master telekenisis, has been seen desinigrating (and hurling) objects such as a giant mountain. He can lift more but that is officially what is known.

My victor (in a 1 on 1 contest): frieza

REASONS: even though superman is physically stronger, like lifting, pushing, pulling , moving objects and is probably more durable, i believe frieza has shown far superior striking power and has been seen to be MUCH more skillful at fighting beyond light speed. I believe Superman will go "greatest hero of all time" mode and get his licks in for sure, but i see Frieza beating him with a physical attack in the end. I believe that frieza will have to beat on him for a long time and it will be very time consuming and frustrating to have superman to even show signs of fatigue. I believe this fight would take superman to his maximum limit before getting defeated most likely by knockout or a faint death. With the yellow sun.. superman can appear dead but his heart will still be beating like 3 beats a day or some ****. I strongly believe frieza has way more tools to beat superman. Anyone of Friezas (maybe even a little weaker than frieza) power or higher should defeat the most powerful superman. For superman to win he would need intervention of other heroes and some type of special weapon or tool (that DC does so well lol) to beat a caliber warrior like frieza. Superman cannot defeat frieza head on by what ive seen frieza do and ALL the supes comics i have read over the last 20 years.
I have to agree on this one: Frieza is superior in power and fighting ability to SM and he would eventually beat him although it SHOULD be an epic brawl.

[vapid]

Also now Sentry could take any Z warrior and probably take on a few at a time. Its been revealed that Sentry has Molecule Man-type powers, which means reality-warping on a massive scale. Sentry has been shown to be able to recreate himself and revive people just by touch.


The Sentry tells Osborn that he does not believe he can die anymore, and Ms. Marvel muses that the Scarlet Witch's reality-rewriting nervous breakdown was negligible in comparison to the threat if the Sentry would lose control

[Black Joker]

Also now Sentry could take any Z warrior and probably take on a few at a time. Its been revealed that Sentry has Molecule Man-type powers, which means reality-warping on a massive scale. Sentry has been shown to be able to recreate himself and revive people just by touch.
holy crap. that's ridiculous

[rezznor]

holy crap. that's ridiculous
yeah sentry's power is pretty ridiculous, he needs to be out there with the cosmic heroes at this point...except for the fact that he's a bit crazy and is often taken out of fights pretty easily with a little psychology

[Disaprine]

We aren't talking about a Martial Arts tourney. We are talking life and death fighting and who Wolverine has a chance against in DB and when in the series (not DBZ bc we all know he isn't anywhere near their league).

Here's a better DBZ vs Marvel/DC thread...
http://www.comicvine.com/freeza/29-40737/frieza-vs-superman/92-21261/?
This is what the author of this thread says about Frieza vs Superman. A very interesting read for the comicbook nerd:D :D

I have to agree on this one: Frieza is superior in power and fighting ability to SM and he would eventually beat him although it SHOULD be an epic brawl.
the comment below it is much better :oldlol:
"Most of the things I read were obviously wrong. Superman doesn't travel beyond light speed , but only 99%. Frieza has never traveled anywhere near light speed. Frieza doesn't fight anywhere near light speed.

Superman's Heat Vision has once covered the whole Earth.

Frieza lifting mountain? Nope. Just large Rocks.

Oh and I don't know if you know this, but Superman was in the center of a planet when it exploded...and shook it off like it was nothing, so frieza planet destroying attacks wouldn't hurt superman, and since Superman thinks and reacts at light speed he'd probably dodge it. Superman could litereally just grab friza with all his might and take him into the sun with him, then enjoy a nice bath.

Victor: STILL Superman"
the only thing wrong with that guys comment is that Superman is way faster than the speed of light.

[iggy>]

why did they make freiza gay? i never understood the motive behind this

[KOLBCTEW]

Kid Buu died because he was arrogant, he could've dodged that ki blast but instead tried to push it back. He got jobbed, no way he really should've lost against Goku or Vegeta. Same with Cell really but Iceman can regenerate from any water crystal basically, much more prevalent than Cell's regenerative capabilities.
Meh, he still died.


Also notice I said any POWERFUL telepath. Emma Frost, Jean Grey, Professor X, Martian Manhunter, Cassandra Nova, etc. all stand at least a little chance.Nope.. Speedblitz.



Flash is also the most overpowered non-cosmic entity imo. His powerset dwarfs the DBZ guys. He could freeze the Z fighters, (stealing kinetic energy), effortlessly dodge any attack, punch at light speed, vibrate through them causing them to explode, etc.
Please.. more so that superman..
No it doesnt'
Not ones thrown by these characters.
They're too powerful for him.
Wouldn't help.
Has he vibrated through someone and caused them to explode with individuals as high a durability as the DBZ tiers..


How high do you think Wolverine's power level would be? I know the main characters (Piccolo, Goku, Roshi, and etc) were only the hundred's PL yet they could still blow up mountains, cities, islands, and etc.
Probably in the single digits..




the comment below it is much better :oldlol:
"Most of the things I read were obviously wrong. Superman doesn't travel beyond light speed , but only 99%. Frieza has never traveled anywhere near light speed. Frieza doesn't fight anywhere near light speed.

Superman's Heat Vision has once covered the whole Earth.

Frieza lifting mountain? Nope. Just large Rocks.

Oh and I don't know if you know this, but Superman was in the center of a planet when it exploded...and shook it off like it was nothing, so frieza planet destroying attacks wouldn't hurt superman, and since Superman thinks and reacts at light speed he'd probably dodge it. Superman could litereally just grab friza with all his might and take him into the sun with him, then enjoy a nice bath.

Victor: STILL Superman"
the only thing wrong with that guys comment is that Superman is way faster than the speed of light.
Some version of superman can move faster than light speeds.
Frieza fights beyond that speed.
Frieza was over 6,000 times more powerful than a Vegeta who could casually destroy planets.
Even so they're some versions of superman that would annihilate Freiza.

[vapid]

Meh, he still died.
Its called plot progression, he definitely got jobbed and you're just agreeing with me here.


Nope.. Speedblitz. Depends on where the telepaths are positioned and if they are prepared, etc. Not a guarantee win here but they would definitely win over 80% of the characters in DBZ



Please.. more so that superman..
No it doesnt'
Not ones thrown by these characters.
They're too powerful for him.
Wouldn't help.
Has he vibrated through someone and caused them to explode with individuals as high a durability as the DBZ tiers..
Probably in the single digits..

A punch thrown at light speed would do damage to any living thing. The Z fighters don't have more durability than Superman or Beta Ray Bil, it doesn't matter how much durability they have because they are still made up of atoms (at least as far as we know) and the Flash can vibrate his own atoms to pass through any material object.

The Flash easily owns Superman in speed, and can travel through time at will, going way past speed of light. Goku and Co. might as well be traveling backwards.


.

[oh the horror]

Superman, herald of Galactus


So basically Superman, fused with cosmic power.


http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/miscellaneous/ff5.jpg


:eek:

[oh the horror]

anyone mentioned the Sentry yet?


http://old-wizard.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/the-sentry-most-powerful-superhero.jpg

[vapid]

Yes.


Also now Sentry could take any Z warrior and probably take on a few at a time. Its been revealed that Sentry has Molecule Man-type powers, which means reality-warping on a massive scale. Sentry has been shown to be able to recreate himself and revive people just by touch.

[KOLBCTEW]

Depends on where the telepaths are positioned and if they are prepared, etc. Not a guarantee win here but they would definitely win over 80% of the characters in DBZ. Your adding stipulations to the fight, usually the characters in a generic vs match are at the very least within visual range.





A punch thrown at light speed would do damage to any living thing. Most cosmics would disagree.


The Z fighters don't have more durability than Superman or Beta Ray Bil,Some of the high tiers do, considering their feats and powerscaling.


it doesn't matter how much durability they have because they are still made up of atoms (at least as far as we know) and the Flash can vibrate his own atoms to pass through any material object. Classic no-limits fallacy, can flash vibrate his atoms through Galactus's armor.


The Flash easily owns Superman in speed, and can travel through time at will, going way past speed of light. Time travel does not necessarily denote faster than light speed travel.
You do realize superman has traveled through time by breaking through the time barrier and they're alternate versions that would destroy flash in terms of speed.

Goku and Co. might as well be traveling backwards.
They've been doing things of that nature for a while.

[vapid]

Is a cosmic a living thing? I'm not even sure and I said that Flash has the best powerset other than Cosmic beings.

Flash can throw infinite mass punches, which means he definitely travels at least very very close to and probably (most likely) faster than the speed of light. My time travel example just shows that he could travel back to little Goku time and just wtfpwn him there.

And even if Gokue and co. have greater durability than Superman/Beta Ray, we have to conclude they are at least in the same range, thus Flash will at least hurt them with the punches and with his speed will overwhelm them.

And how are you going to stop Flash from stealing their kinetic energy?

[rezznor]

Is a cosmic a living thing? I'm not even sure and I said that Flash has the best powerset other than Cosmic beings.

Flash can throw infinite mass punches, which means he definitely travels at least very very close to and probably (most likely) faster than the speed of light. My time travel example just shows that he could travel back to little Goku time and just wtfpwn him there.

And even if Gokue and co. have greater durability than Superman/Beta Ray, we have to conclude they are at least in the same range, thus Flash will at least hurt them with the punches and with his speed will overwhelm them.

And how are you going to stop Flash from stealing their kinetic energy?
i know how much you like Flash and to be honest, my opinion of him has improved alot since i've been reading your arguments for him but I still don't believe that he is as powerful as you say he is. remember in blackest night when flash and green lantern were getting their asses handed to them by zombie martian manhunter? and what's the point of superfast punches when he doesnt have superstrength or invulnerability to keep his hand from breaking? (or does he get some sort of protective barrier when using speed like cannonball? i dont really know)

[rezznor]

Superman, herald of Galactus


So basically Superman, fused with cosmic power.


http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/miscellaneous/ff5.jpg


:eek:


Hulk, Herald of Galactus could beat him

http://hulkcollection.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/hulk-605-043.jpg

[KOLBCTEW]

Is a cosmic a living thing? Some have human like sentiments and if they were only there to serve as a natural function of the universe they wouldn't have none so yes they should be living things.


Flash can throw infinite mass punches, which means he definitely travels at least very very close to and probably (most likely) faster than the speed of light. My time travel example just shows that he could travel back to little Goku time and just wtfpwn him there.? IT was already shown that multiple timelines exist in dbz and can be created by changing certain events in the previous timeline so even killing a kid Goku(given the fact goku is dead in one of the timelines in dbz due to a heart virus) in one timeline doesn't necessarily mean that Adult Goku would necessarily die as there would always a timeline where Goku never encountered Flash and grew to be an adult.


And even if Gokue and co. have greater durability than Superman/Beta Ray, we have to conclude they are at least in the same range, thus Flash will at least hurt them with the punches and with his speed will overwhelm them.?Dbz tiers have already shown similar speed as far back as dragon ball. Kid Goku during his training with Mr. Popo was informed that to become as fast as him he'd have to move as fast and faster than lightning at which point Mr. Popo demonstrated such speed. Then he was transported to a place where lightning strikes continuously and randomly eventually learned to dodge it. Yamcha also states that during the 23rd Martial Arts tournament that Goku and Piccolo Jr. were fighting at light speed.


And how are you going to stop Flash from stealing their kinetic energy?Same way the runner could stop Flash from stealing his, reduce him to ash with powerful attacks.

[vapid]

i know how much you like Flash and to be honest, my opinion of him has improved alot since i've been reading your arguments for him but I still don't believe that he is as powerful as you say he is. remember in blackest night when flash and green lantern were getting their asses handed to them by zombie martian manhunter? and what's the point of superfast punches when he doesnt have superstrength or invulnerability to keep his hand from breaking? (or does he get some sort of protective barrier when using speed like cannonball? i dont really know)
He has protection from his own speed by way of the speed force. Flash has been the only one surviving the Blackest Night aside from the lanterns by himself, but he often is not written to his fullest potential. He does deliver some infinite mass punches to some white martians and all of the feats I talk about he has done.

[KOLBCTEW]

Hulk, Herald of Galactus could beat him

http://hulkcollection.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/hulk-605-043.jpgNot with the feats they possess.

[rezznor]

Not with the feats they possess.
it was a joke, directed at the superman, herald of galactus pic.

[rezznor]

He has protection from his own speed by way of the speed force. Flash has been the only one surviving the Blackest Night aside from the lanterns by himself, but he often is not written to his fullest potential. He does deliver some infinite mass punches to some white martians and all of the feats I talk about he has done.
what's an infinite mass punch?

[vapid]

what's an infinite mass punch?
a punch that has so much mas its unweightable basically. Its due to the speed flash moves when he throws it.

[rezznor]

a punch that has so much mas its unweightable basically. Its due to the speed flash moves when he throws it.
whats to keep the flash from breaking his hand when he tries to punch somebody who is invulnerable 10000 times?

[vapid]

whats to keep the flash from breaking his hand when he tries to punch somebody who is invulnerable 10000 times?
The speed force. Thats what keeps him from obliterating himself by traveling that fast.

[rezznor]

The speed force. Thats what keeps him from obliterating himself by traveling that fast.
oic. so it basically is just like cannonball's force field then.

[vapid]

oic. so it basically is just like cannonball's force field then.
Its more like some kind of magic. Since it allows flash to steal speed and give it to others and to "carry" things in his wake and travel throguh time and all that stuff.

[oh the horror]

There are always the oddities from different storylines..


cosmic hulk

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/124476-108852-hulk_super.jpg


spider hulk

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/30083-3519-33444-1-web-of-spider-man_super.jpg


spider-phoenix

http://www.samruby.com/Spider-Man/Large/Spider-Man025.jpg
http://www.samruby.com/Spiderverse/Spiderman/CostumeSpiderPhoenix.gif


cosmic spiderman

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee191/Dr-Spy/cosmic.jpg



cosmic daredevil

http://www.thecomicfanatic.com/solicit%20images/captainuniversedaredevil.jpg


Then there is Doc Strange fused with a all powerful demonic entity

http://images.wizarduniverse.com/WizardUniverse/magazinepics/hulksmash/7.jpg

[supersmashbros]

Meh, he still died.
Nope.. Speedblitz.


Please.. more so that superman..
No it doesnt'
Not ones thrown by these characters.
They're too powerful for him.
Wouldn't help.
Has he vibrated through someone and caused them to explode with individuals as high a durability as the DBZ tiers..
Probably in the single digits..




Some version of superman can move faster than light speeds.
Frieza fights beyond that speed.
Frieza was over 6,000 times more powerful than a Vegeta who could casually destroy planets.
Even so they're some versions of superman that would annihilate Freiza.
I agree with everything you said. Then again, the farmer with the gun killed by Raditz actually had a power level reading of 5 and I doubt Wolverine is only around that guy's PL. I think Wolverine's PL is more like in low the double digit range. Turtle's was actually in 0.01 or something like that. :lol :lol

I wonder what DB characters Wolverine or the whole Xmen crew could actually challenge:lol

[oh the horror]

I could see Dark Phoenix giving a DBZ character a run for his money.

Im not sure if you consider her too high up on the charts though, but she isnt really a "god"


http://crunkish.com/qimages/5/dark_phoenix.png

[supersmashbros]

:rolleyes: Wolverine by standards is weak even by. I am not sure who would be a good match up for him from DB. His adamantine claws would do nothing against a high power level character. Their ki hardened bodies would just shatter those claws upon impact.

Maybe Wolverine's PL or fighting ability is about the same as Hercules aka Mr Satan, so Wolvey vs Hercules might be a good match up!:rolleyes:

[Disaprine]

Some version of superman can move faster than light speeds.
Frieza fights beyond that speed.
Frieza was over 6,000 times more powerful than a Vegeta who could casually destroy planets.
Even so they're some versions of superman that would annihilate Freiza.
There is no prove of DBZ characters ever going beyond the speed of light and All Supermen are capable of going faster than light, The only ones who aren't faster than light are golden age superman(faster than a speeding bullet, etc.) and the animated version of superman. It doesn't matter how powerful friezas ki blast are, it still doesn't compare to his weak durability and low speed. All versions of Superman(except the ones i mentioned) would kill freiza in seconds.

[KOLBCTEW]

There is no prove of DBZ characters ever going beyond the speed of light and All Supermen are capable of going faster than light, The only ones who aren't faster than light are golden age superman(faster than a speeding bullet, etc.) and the animated version of superman. It doesn't matter how powerful friezas ki blast are, it still doesn't compare to his weak durability and low speed. All versions of Superman(except the ones i mentioned) would kill freiza in seconds.You forgetting instant transmission even so.. no,


Dbz tiers have already shown similar speed as far back as dragon ball. Kid Goku during his training with Mr. Popo was informed that to become as fast as him he'd have to move as fast and faster than lightning at which point Mr. Popo demonstrated such speed. Then he was transported to a place where lightning strikes continuously and randomly eventually learned to dodge it. Yamcha also states that during the 23rd Martial Arts tournament that Goku and Piccolo Jr. were fighting at light speed.
They've received several dozen speed boosts from the time Dragon ball ended to the Freiza saga.

Weak durability? In the Saiyan Saga Goku tanked an attack from an enraged Oozaru Vegeta(the Oozaru transformation multiples a saiyans power by ten) and Goku's power level at that point was still thousands of times weaker than Freiza.

Only Some can defeat Freiza in seconds but surely not most.

[vapid]

Instant transmission can only go as fast as Goku thinks, so in battle it wouldn't help against someone who can move faster than thought.

[KOLBCTEW]

Instant transmission can only go as fast as Goku thinks, so in battle it wouldn't help against someone who can move faster than thought.
Who exactly in the comic/anime/cartoon world can move faster than thought given that everyone thinks?

[vapid]

Who exactly in the comic/anime/cartoon world can move faster than thought given that everyone thinks?
The Flash, Superman, other faster than light travelling characters. I can't explain Superman but Flash has the Speed Force Deus Ex Machina. Oh yea Strange probably would beat the Z warriors too.

[KOLBCTEW]

The Flash, Superman, other faster than light travelling characters. I can't explain Superman but Flash has the Speed Force Deus Ex Machina.
And Z characters have been moving at light speed since dragon ball and have gotten progressively faster.

[vapid]

And Z characters have been moving at light speed since dragon ball and have gotten progressively faster.
lol you're not going to outrun the flash dude. Its not happening. The Speed Force is the greatest deus ex machina out there.

[KOLBCTEW]

lol you're not going to outrun the flash dude. Its not happening. The Speed Force is the greatest deus ex machina out there.
Dues Ex Machina is useless without feats, and one character who can outrun Flash is The Runner. He was taking on both Galactus and the Silver Surfer(who has much greater feats than Flash) to the point Silver Surfer was getting casually speedblitzed.

[vapid]

Dues Ex Machina is useless without feats, and one character who can outrun Flash is The Runner. He was taking on both Galactus and the Silver Surfer(who has much greater feats than Flash) to the point Silver Surfer was getting casually speedblitzed.
Galactus or SS aren't faster than the Flash. The Flash outruns death.

http://www.transbuddha.com/images/uploads/2009/01/final-crisis-7.jpg

[KOLBCTEW]

Galactus or SS aren't faster than the Flash. The Flash outruns death.

http://www.transbuddha.com/images/uploads/2009/01/final-crisis-7.jpg
That was only an aspect/version of death, and Bart and Wally brought him to a heavily injured Darkseid who he decides to take in their place.

[LebrickJames84']

no.

[Deadpool]

I'm gonna have to say Deadpool.... but seriously, the Ghost Rider. But then again, I don't know if he could beat Goku since he is pure without a bit of evil. Then again he would destroy Vegeta easily.

[Juges8932]

Superman has instant power, he doesn't need to charge up.

DBZ characters don't NEED to power up. They just do it to show off. At the beginning, sure, they did, but then they learn how to control their power/ki and mask it, but can release it instantly upon command.

DBZ has infinite power, Superman/Doomsday don't. They have a max and that's it. Plus, they don't even know HOW to fight. DBZ are supposed to be the most skilled fighters in the universe.

[Juges8932]

the hulk and wolverine. moreso the hulk.

the hulk gets stronger and stronger the angrier he gets, plus he regenerates rapidly. wolverine is the same, the guy is made of animantium and regenerates superfast, as proven by the xmen3 movie, with the phoenix trying to kill him he still killed her even though she blew half the island away much like DBZ

Yeah, but would they be able to regenerate fast enough? Wolverine got dangerously close to dying against Phoenix and her attack doesn't hold a candle to what fire power the DBZ characters can put out. Also, they would be wayyyyyyyyyy slower than DBZ characters. Wouldn't be able to catch them or hit them. And they are way weaker, even if they can regenerate fast enough, which I highly doubt.

[Juges8932]

It's not funny if you've watched and liked DBZ.

But imagine someone who has never seen any DBZ watching that scene.

Yeah, I guess I could see it, lol.

[Suprageex]

http://top-10-list.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/Adolf-Hitler.jpg
Don't f*ck with tha Fuhrer:lol

[supersmashbros]

DBZ characters don't NEED to power up. They just do it to show off. At the beginning, sure, they did, but then they learn how to control their power/ki and mask it, but can release it instantly upon command.

DBZ has infinite power, Superman/Doomsday don't. They have a max and that's it. Plus, they don't even know HOW to fight. DBZ are supposed to be the most skilled fighters in the universe.
They can only lunge punches at each other. You are right about their lack of fighting skills and martial arts. Superman is 100% strength based fighter and his laser attacks are very limited (there hasn't been a single instance were his lasers have caused anywhere near the destructive power of casual DBZ blasts let alone planet busting attacks).

[iamgine]

A lot of series can beat DBZ

http://www.japanprobe.com/2007/01/doraemon.jpg

http://images.friendster.com/images/widgetDirectory/widgetThumbs/_48906_DeathNote_Anime_Cast_500.jpg

[rezznor]

Both are still too slow for DBZ guys to pull a dogu or write a name.
yeah but he always has some elaborate prep. he would have written down the name somehow 2 weeks before the fight :oldlol:

[iamgine]

Both are still too slow for DBZ guys to pull a dogu or write a name.
Obviously was talking bout ryuk, who the dbz characters cant even sense.

And doraemon who can stop time and then turn goku into paper.

[supersmashbros]

A lot of series can beat DBZ

http://www.japanprobe.com/2007/01/doraemon.jpg

http://images.friendster.com/images/widgetDirectory/widgetThumbs/_48906_DeathNote_Anime_Cast_500.jpg
We are talking about beating them in combat or a fight which few characters can. What about Megatron maxed out with planet destroying ability vs DBZ?

[KOLBCTEW]

A lot of series can beat DBZ


http://images.friendster.com/images/widgetDirectory/widgetThumbs/_48906_DeathNote_Anime_Cast_500.jpg
Death Note Only kills human beings.
Obviously was talking bout ryuk, who the dbz characters cant even sense.

And doraemon who can stop time and then turn goku into paper.Goku has been to the afterlife on a few occassions and has been able to sense King Kai's location who is located around there so Ryuk should be no problem.

Even so colossal speedblitz.

[iamgine]

Death Note Only kills human beings.Goku has been to the afterlife on a few occassions and has been able to sense King Kai's location who is located around there so Ryuk should be no problem.

Even so colossal speedblitz.


We're talking "could beat", not "will beat everytime." Obviously in speedblitz situation goku can beat doraemon but in a lot of other situation doraemon can beat goku. and goku cant sense something he hasn't met before unless it has extraordinary ki.

[KOLBCTEW]

and goku cant sense something he hasn't met before unless it has extraordinary ki.
Goku sensed the Ki of a bunch of farmers on another planet going about their daily routine..

[vapid]

That was only an aspect/version of death, and Bart and Wally brought him to a heavily injured Darkseid who he decides to take in their place.
Do you have proof that an aspect of death is not as inevitable as death itself?

[iamgine]

Goku sensed the Ki of a bunch of farmers on another planet going about their daily routine..
only cause theyre namekian which he met before.

[KOLBCTEW]

Do you have proof that an aspect of death is not as inevitable as death itself?During the Our Worlds at War crossover, he came to harvest Steel's soul, but Superman talked him out of it. In the Darkseid Vs. Galactus crossover, Silver Surfer talked the Racer from claiming Orion.

[KOLBCTEW]

only cause theyre namekian which he met before.First you say he can't sense something he hasn't met before then you say that unless he has encountered an individual of that race he still can't sense it..

Goku was able to draw ki from every living thing including those on other planets through the spirit bomb, he wouldn't be able to draw such energy if he wasn't able to sense it first as he would have no idea they existed to know to where to draw the energy from.

[iamgine]

First you say he can't sense something he hasn't met before then you say that unless he has encountered an individual of that race he still can't sense it..

Goku was able to draw ki from every living thing including those on other planets through the spirit bomb, he wouldn't be able to draw such energy if he wasn't able to sense it first as he would have no idea they existed to know to where to draw the energy from.
not really the people has to raise their hand in order for him to steal energy.

besides, cant even touch ryuk. ryuk cant die unless breaking some death note rule.

[KOLBCTEW]

not really the people has to raise their hand in order for him to steal energy.

besides, cant even touch ryuk. ryuk cant die unless breaking some death note rule.
I'm talking about in Namek.

Spirit bomb automatically takes a small amount of their energy, The people had to raise their hands in order to give more of their energy like Vegeta ordered, to the disapproval of King Kai as it wasn't safe for them and they could die if too much energy is taken.

Goku was also able to take energy from the entire universe in GT.

So an omnipotent being can't kill a shinigami unless they break some death note rule.. that's a no-limits fallacy.
Apart from being able to withstand bullets they've never shown the ability to tank attacks similar to the destructive power of even the weakest among ki attacks. Not to mention Ki is mystical by nature as even other spiritual entities in dbz make use of it.

[supersmashbros]

I don't know why this thread is now about DBZ vs Death Note in combat? This doesn't make any sense!

[Disaprine]

You forgetting instant transmission even so.. no,
They've received several dozen speed boosts from the time Dragon ball ended to the Freiza saga.

Weak durability? In the Saiyan Saga Goku tanked an attack from an enraged Oozaru Vegeta(the Oozaru transformation multiples a saiyans power by ten) and Goku's power level at that point was still thousands of times weaker than Freiza.

Only Some can defeat Freiza in seconds but surely not most.
no one in DBZ ever uses instant tranmission in battle, its only used for traveling.
compared to the majority of Superman, freiza does have weak durability and speed. Stop using power levels, DBZ is to inconsistent with power showing.

[rezznor]

the DBZ argument has gone stale. how about this one:

who would win..iceman or the human torch?
Iceman:
http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/iceman.jpg
[QUOTE]Iceman possesses the power to radically decrease the temperature of ambient water vapor in his immediate environment, thereby freezing it into ice. In this manner he is able to quickly form a great variety of ice structures, including projectiles, shields, ladders, baseball bats, etc. He often makes ice slides which form rapidly beneath and behind his feet, moving him along the slick surface at high speeds. Originally, Iceman's own body temperature would lower dramatically when his powers were active, reaching −105

[KOLBCTEW]

no one in DBZ ever uses instant tranmission in battle, its only used for traveling.
compared to the majority of Superman, freiza does have weak durability and speed. Stop using power levels, DBZ is to inconsistent with power showing.
Uh.. noo.............
Goku used instant transmission in his battle against Cell while powering up and firing a kamehameha.

Goku used it during his fight against Pikkon


Vegetto used it against GohanBuu to dodge an attack
Goku and Metal Cooler used it multiple times in the movie Cooler's return

I'd still say some not most.

You do realize power levels represent much of the deciding factor of who's stronger than who in the dbz realm, so to take them out is absolutely asinine.

Most of the comic book world is inconsistent, Pre-Crisis Superman especially.

[KOLBCTEW]

the DBZ argument has gone stale. how about this one:

who would win..iceman or the human torch?
Iceman:
http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/iceman.jpg





Human torch

http://marvel.com/universe3zx/images/a/a4/Torch_head.jpg
Iceman is an omega level mutant, he should win, he was able to freeze a nuclear explosion and he's already defeated the Human Torch.

[rezznor]

Iceman is an omega level mutant, he should win, he was able to freeze a nuclear explosion and he's already defeated the Human Torch.

i thought i was well versed in my mutants, when did this happen?

[vapid]

i thought i was well versed in my mutants, when did this happen?
If its the one I'm thinking about, there was a world-destroying shi'ar bomb that was about to explode on Cable's paradise island. He basically froze it to absolute zero while keeping cable and his friends warm.

Iceman easily, Johnny sucks.

[sergiorodriguez]

The characters in The Sandman by Neil Gaiman could kill the DBZ characters easily.

[vapid]

The characters in The Sandman by Neil Gaiman could kill the DBZ characters easily.
You're just a one trick pony aren't you?

[sergiorodriguez]

You're just a one trick pony aren't you?
um im just speaking the truth son.

[vapid]

um im just speaking the truth son.
Thats what you use for every imaginary character debate.

[rezznor]

If its the one I'm thinking about, there was a world-destroying shi'ar bomb that was about to explode on Cable's paradise island. He basically froze it to absolute zero while keeping cable and his friends warm.

Iceman easily, Johnny sucks.
ahh ok i remember that.

[sergiorodriguez]

Thats what you use for every imaginary character debate.
cus the debates are always who would win, and so i give the answer. comprehendo nub?

[vapid]

what are some other omega level mutants?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega-level_mutant