The truth about the Lakers loss last night

[Fatal9]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8zfwFSlKNg

:oldlol: at how angry and serious this dude is.

[phoenix18]

I didnt watch the game but 10-30? That is sh*tty.

[beasted86]

Why do you care what some random fan's opinion was?

you actually sat and listened through that long crap?

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Why do you care what some random fan's opinion was?

you actually sat and listened through that long crap?
dude used to post here..

[beasted86]

dude u to post here..
Have I ever wrote a multi paragraph page long opinion?
No. :no:

I only listened for the first 30 seconds or so... but he has an 11 minute dialogue. If I typed that out, I'd assume that's PAGES long.

[ProfessorMurder]

I watched 2 hours of sportscenter this morning and they didn't talk about the game at all in the first hour, and then only for about 30 seconds in the next hour.

I haven't seen any show on there really talk about the game. It's like it didn't even happen.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Have I ever wrote a multi paragraph page long opinion?
No. :no:

I only listened for the first 30 seconds or so... but he has an 11 minute dialogue. If I typed that out, I'd assume that's PAGES long.
haha man my bad. i was like wtf r u talking about? i actually meant 2 put- dude used to post here.

[gyu]

I've actually been wondering what he has been wondering, why has Kobe been shooting so much this season when he has so much great players around him? He has only taken more shots per game in 2 other seasons

While his shots has gone up, Pau's has gone down from the last two seasons.

[Maneva]

I watched 2 hours of sportscenter this morning and they didn't talk about the game at all in the first hour, and then only for about 30 seconds in the next hour.

I haven't seen any show on there really talk about the game. It's like it didn't even happen.

It wasn't an important game, what do you expect?

The Lakers lost without Pau. Kobe shot poorly with a screwed up finger. Nothing exactly newsworthy took place, especially with the Arenas story developing. This really isn't a valid example of any kind of ESPN bias.

[LA_Showtime]

I've actually been wondering what he has been wondering, why has Kobe been shooting so much this season when he has so much great players around him? He has only taken more shots per game in 2 other seasons

While his shots has gone up, Pau's has gone down from the last two seasons.

I have no idea, ask Kobe yourself. It's extremely frustrating to see games where Kobe is shooting 10-30 from the floor. Sometimes Kobe plays well for the first 3 quarters and then starts chucking 3s with 2-3 minutes left to try and overcome a large deficit. Last night he just played bad. Everyone knows Kobe can score, I would rather see the other guys, specifically Bynum, get more touches.

[Brandon Roy]

BruceBlitz is one of those dudes who has valid points, but his fanaticism and hate flushes all his credibility down the drain.

[HylianNightmare]

Any team can beat any team in the NBA no biggie

[cotdt]

What loss? The game never happened:confusedshrug:

[gyu]

I have no idea, ask Kobe yourself. It's extremely frustrating to see games where Kobe is shooting 10-30 from the floor. Sometimes Kobe plays well for the first 3 quarters and then starts chucking 3s with 2-3 minutes left to try and overcome a large deficit. Last night he just played bad. Everyone knows Kobe can score, I would rather see the other guys, specifically Bynum, get more touches.
Yeah I agree. Last two seasons Lakers played well because his teammates got theirs as well.
The only seasons he averaged more shots per game was in 2002-2003 (Shaq was injured for a good portion of this season I think) and of course the 2005-2006 season when he averaged 35ppg.

[1~Gibson~1]

the truth is that they come out of the tunnel thinking "automatic win"
they get down by about 10+ points

then they get the "ok, these guys are for real" attitdue and try to bring their A game

but by then it's too big of a lead

[DuMa]

'LA beat LA last night' thats all

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

He's 100% correct. ESPN props Kobe up to untouchable standards.

[Brandon Roy]

He's correct, but ESPN also props up LeBron (who he is a fan of) to untouchable standards.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

He's correct, but ESPN also props up LeBron (who he is a fan of) to untouchable standards.

LeBron is the better overall player, though. He's putting up numbers only comparable to Oscar Robertson and Jordan.

[D-Rose]

LeBron is the better overall player, though. He's putting up numbers only comparable to Oscar Robertson and Jordan.
Zach Randolph is putting up comparable numbers to Tim Duncan.

[nbastatus]

:roll: :roll: Funny how he mentioned Fisher in the All-Star team.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Zach Randolph is putting up comparable numbers to Tim Duncan.

This is Randolph's first season playing the way he is currently. If he continues playing consistent, the number comparisons are warranted.

[chazzy]

I've never seen anyone more insecure about basketball. Holy crap

[Kiarip]

bruceblitz is garbage, I thought everyone knew this...

[phoenix18]

I've never seen anyone more insecure about basketball. Holy crap
Who is this directed towards? Fatal or BruceBlitz?

[chazzy]

Who is this directed towards? Fatal or BruceBlitz?

Until I see multiple youtube accounts with 10min long videos pushing an agenda from Fatal, Bruce takes the cake :lol

[CavsLebronMo]

I've actually been wondering what he has been wondering, why has Kobe been shooting so much this season when he has so much great players around him? He has only taken more shots per game in 2 other seasons

While his shots has gone up, Pau's has gone down from the last two seasons.
shannon brown needs to start!

[YAWN]

bruceblitz is such a joke, he makes pleezebelieve seem like a sane reasonable fan of the game.

[HighFlyer23]

bruceblitz has some serious issues :lol

[Fatal9]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQWeyPRFKCk#t=4m35s

:roll:

This dude is mad at that reporter who's a Kobe fan. Basically comes out threatening him for jokingly calling Jordan a chicken because he didn't want to play Russell. Love the "I'm coming to get you" music in the background :oldlol:

[Bodhi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQWeyPRFKCk#t=4m35s

:roll:

This dude is mad at that reporter who's a Kobe fan. Basically comes out threatening him for jokingly calling Jordan a chicken because he didn't want to play Russell. Love the "I'm coming to get you" music in the background :oldlol:

Leave Jordan alone!

:cry:

[Cyclone112]

Until I see multiple youtube accounts with 10min long videos pushing an agenda from Fatal, Bruce takes the cake :lol

As big of a douche Fatal9 is he's nothing compared to bruceblitz and kb42pah who have a ridiculous amount of videos propping up and tearing down certain players and they actually get worshipers following them, its just ridiculous.

[OneMoreSucka]

This guy's voice is brutal to listen to. Holy shit.

[phoenix18]

BruceBlitz is nuts.

Not even funny. Fatal is one thing. Bruce is on another level, no, another planet.

Did he really call Elie a candy-ass???

[Kobe Jnr]

BruceBlitz is nuts.

Not even funny. Fatal is one thing. Bruce is on another level, no, another planet.

Did he really call Elie a candy-ass???


roody poo candy ass!! :lol :lol you suck :lol :lol

[Doranku]

This guy's voice is brutal to listen to. Holy shit.

Dude sounds like he's taking it up the ass. :oldlol: His voice is so strained.

And :roll: :roll: :roll: @ how shook this dude is because Kobe hit an unprecedented 3 game winners in one month. Dude's life is crumbling.

[JayGuevara]

He sounds like a huge ****in nerd.

And he paraphrased Stone Cold?

And makes 11 minute rambling youtube rants?

Is BruceBlitz a real life 40 year old (or soon to be/eventually/etc) virgin? I don't exactly picture him as Leon Phelps. :confusedshrug:

[Disaprine]

(takes a deep breath) "alright Kobe Bryant (sigh) is..........a very great player"

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[OhNoTimNoSho]

This guy is like a politician.

[gts]

BruceBlitz is nuts.

Not even funny. Fatal is one thing. Bruce is on another level, no, another planet.

Did he really call Elie a candy-ass???yes he is.. seriously the man needs help.. when he was posting here it was crazy how he'd just go on and on page after page basically talking to himself...lol

[LA_Showtime]

He makes a couple of good points but for the most part he's just an idiot. Kobe is surrounded by an all-star team? Last I heard, Artest, Bynum, Odom, and Fisher (are you kidding me? Derek Fisher?) are not all-stars. They are very good, but come on Bruce, you're better than that.

[HighFlyer23]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQWeyPRFKCk#t=4m35s

:roll:

This dude is mad at that reporter who's a Kobe fan. Basically comes out threatening him for jokingly calling Jordan a chicken because he didn't want to play Russell. Love the "I'm coming to get you" music in the background :oldlol:

hate that retard ellie but dam bruce mus have a jordan shrine at his house :lol


but this is irrefutable proof that bruce is the GOAT homer

[chazzy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqvbOqWGJo8

:roll: I'm dying.

Ladies and gentlemen, the SAMURAI of the jumpshot :applause:

[HighFlyer23]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqvbOqWGJo8

:roll: I'm dying.

Ladies and gentlemen, the SAMURAI of the jumpshot :applause:

lol id destroy this dude in a game

[Kobe Jnr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqvbOqWGJo8

:roll: I'm dying.

Ladies and gentlemen, the SAMURAI of the jumpshot :applause:


:lol :lol at his spin fake...

[phoenix18]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqvbOqWGJo8

:roll: I'm dying.

Ladies and gentlemen, the SAMURAI of the jumpshot :applause:

Where is he going with that sorry candy ass dribble???

I swear, Emsteez needs to go play BruceBlitz one on one with his Kobe jersey on and destroy him.

Dude is trash.

[Doranku]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqvbOqWGJo8

:roll: I'm dying.

Ladies and gentlemen, the SAMURAI of the jumpshot :applause:

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

You'd think someone claiming to have all this knowledge and background in basketball would at least be DECENT. :oldlol: Dude is ****ing awful, is he part snail???

[Kobe Jnr]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

You'd think someone claiming to have all this knowledge and background in basketball would at least be DECENT. :oldlol: Dude is ****ing awful, is he part snail???


Well the guy is pretty old...

[monkeypox]

Please tell me this is all some kind of genius comedy act. Is BruceBlitz the Andy Kaufman of Bball?

[gts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqvbOqWGJo8

:roll: I'm dying.

Ladies and gentlemen, the SAMURAI of the jumpshot :applause:lol at least this time it's on a 10 foot rim.. he's got one where he's using a 8 foot rim and trying to strike the air jordan pose...i almost wet myself i laughed so hard

[04mzwach]

He has a very good point. Kobe has cost the Lakers games cuz he likes to chuck. What is new? He has won games doing the same, but it's pathetic when Kobe has such a great 2nd option and a great team. I just can't help but laugh when he mentions Lebron as if Lebron doesn't get enough credit though. He hasn't change since his days on ISH. He is still Lebron's messenger.

[phoenix18]

Well the guy is pretty old...
No excuse. I know this 55 year old guy that is much faster than that. Bruce is terrible. A disgrace to all fans of Jordan.

[Kobe Jnr]

lol at least this time it's on a 10 foot rim.. he's got one where he's using a 8 foot rim and trying to strike the air jordan pose...i almost wet myself i laughed so hard


do you have a link for that video?? :lol

[Kobe Jnr]

What exactly happened to Bruce?? The guy was always on ish and then he just vanished.

[LAClipsFan33]

Damn ya'll KILLIN Bruce
:roll:
:oldlol:
:lol
:applause:

[monkeypox]

What exactly happened to Bruce?? The guy was always on ish and then he just vanished.

People started ragging on him to the point that reality started to seep in and he couldn't handle it.

[Abraham Lincoln]

People started ragging on him to the point that reality started to seep in and he couldn't handle it.
I am the one who drove him away. He did not want to hear any of the Chamberlain cold hard facts.

[gts]

do you have a link for that video?? :lolno you have to go to his own website, you used to be able to find it through his youtube page then when you get there you have to sift through all the stuff but it's there.. someone sent it to me a few months ago

[Kobe Jnr]

no you have to go to his own website, you used to be able to find it through his youtube page then when you get there you have to sift through all the stuff but it's there.. someone sent it to me a few months ago


thank you very much :cheers:

[Diesel J]

Dude does make a valid point though..Kobe is shooting the ball way too much. Gasol and Bynum should be avg more FGA's than they are. Kobe was shooting 24 shots per game early this season before Gasol got back. I don't see like avg it out right now but dude has been shooting even more than that the past 2 weeks or so.

Dude must be gunning for a scoring title or something:lol

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=110

[Diesel J]

1 C. Anthony, DEN 32 37.6 30.0 10.3-22.0 .470
2 K. Bryant, LAL 35 38.7 30.0 11.1-23.2 .477
3 L. James, CLE 37 38.2 28.7 10.0-19.8 .505
4 K. Durant, OKC 35 39.9 28.4 9.6-20.1 .478
5 D. Wade, MIA 33 37.2 26.9 9.3-21.0 .443

top 5 scorers FGA's per game

[sixerfan82]

I'm glad we have a new and exciting thread..

oh wait

[SAKOTXA]

Lol these one's are better... It's even funnier that Marc Jackson responded to him...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKleIQo2dmI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofbYEFJFtmw

[oh the horror]

So basically after every single Laker loss this entire season, we're going to break down, and analyze the sh*t out of why it happened?

[Fatal9]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YC3YVESDLs

Dude is getting riled up and threatening a teenager because he doesn't like his favorite player. :oldlol: at the wwf references. had to turn it off, too many "****" and "slurping" references.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckQco6mHhNE

^ this is my favorite video though. dresses up in a cute little suit to impress all his youtube buddies, shows off his "23" Jordan cologne on the desk :oldlol:

[Fatal9]

I do agree that Kobe shot too much last night, even though most of his shots (12 of them) were in the third quarter when he brought his team back from being down like 15 points. He should have passed a bit more in the 4th but to take one game and grill him for it is pretty outrageous especially when Kobe's been shooting near 50% all season, mixing up his game perfectly and Lakers have the best record in the league. There's always something to complain about though. Lakers aren't losing much and Kobe's playing the best ball of his life, so you have to make the most of these opportunities :oldlol:

[oh the horror]

WOW. Homeboy threw on a suit and tie, to film a youtube video?!

[Kobe Jnr]

Never knew Jordan had his own cologne..... you suck Ellie Seckbech you roody poo candy ass :lol :lol :roll: :roll: :roll:

[StroShow4]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8zfwFSlKNg

I love the part where he's arguing that Kobe shouldn't be an MVP candidate because he has too many All-Star level players around him.... and then he lists Derek Fisher as an example. :oldlol: :roll:

[SAKOTXA]

I love the part where he's arguing that Kobe shouldn't be an MVP candidate because he has too many All-Star level players around him.... and then he lists Derek Fisher as an example. :oldlol: :roll:

Lol seriously...

[oh the horror]

I think the moment you dress up and set up a table, with displays for a youtube video, then you've basically begun the process of your nervous breakdown.


Bruce teeters on being a fu*king maniac when it comes to the game of basketball.

[Fatal9]

WOW. Homeboy threw on a suit and tie, to film a youtube video?!
:roll:

[StroShow4]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckQco6mHhNE

^ this is my favorite video though. dresses up in a cute little suit to impress all his youtube buddies, shows off his "23" Jordan cologne on the desk :oldlol:

What the heck are all the stacks of blank CDs doing there? Are they keeping the jerseys from falling on the floor? That's hilarious. :oldlol:

[chazzy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckQco6mHhNE

^ this is my favorite video though. dresses up in a cute little suit to impress all his youtube buddies, shows off his "23" Jordan cologne on the desk :oldlol:

WOW, everyone please watch what he says from 6:40-8:40, that's the most hypocritical pile of crap I've ever heard. "Let's appreciate the players we have today instead of diminishing them to prop your favorite player" ...:hammerhead:

[Cyclone112]

What the heck are all the stacks of blank CDs doing there? Are they keeping the jerseys from falling on the floor? That's hilarious. :oldlol:

Wow, that is just retarded. I bet those aren't blank. That's like 10 terabytes of MJ material. :lol

One of the comments on that video...
IMO Bruce is the most complete/non-biased basketball analyst right now. Great Vid!

[SAKOTXA]

Wow, that is just retarded. I bet those aren't blank. That's like 10 terabytes of MJ material. :lol

One of the comments on that video...

You should look at what some people say on his other videos...

[Kiarip]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YC3YVESDLs

Dude is getting riled up and threatening a teenager because he doesn't like his favorite player. :oldlol: at the wwf references. had to turn it off, too many "****" and "slurping" references.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckQco6mHhNE

^ this is my favorite video though. dresses up in a cute little suit to impress all his youtube buddies, shows off his "23" Jordan cologne on the desk :oldlol:

Lmfao.

I like how he takes 2 minutes to basically say that "you shouldn't leave Shaq opened in the low post."

[StroShow4]

I shouldn't have clicked this thread... I was about to go to sleep, but now I've got to watch all these videos. The damn things take unintentional comedy to a whole other level. :oldlol:

[JayGuevara]

Why the **** are literally like all of his videos 10 minutes? He can't say anything in less than 10 minutes? :confusedshrug:

How old is Bruce? I seem to recall that he's supposed to be a grown man? At least, in theory he should be a "grown up"

[oh the horror]

Why the **** are literally like all of his videos 10 minutes? He can't say anything in less than 10 minutes? :confusedshrug:

How old is Bruce? I seem to recall that he's supposed to be a grown man? At least, in theory he should be a "grown up"



I believe he said something to the effect of being in his early 30s?

[momo]

Listened for 45 seconds and I will never get that time back. It is lost. 45 seconds closer to the grave.

I have actually seen more clippers than lakes in the last month or so and honesty, I have to tip my hat to them. They played well last night and have have been playing pretty decent ball recently. They still have normal clippie SMH moments, but the truth is they can do some things. Like shooting lights out VS the blazers.

Lakes do have some issues, but why obsess over them? They are .800 ATM. Just tip the hat to the clipps.

[artex]

the truth is that they come out of the tunnel thinking "automatic win"
they get down by about 10+ points

then they get the "ok, these guys are for real" attitdue and try to bring their A game

but by then it's too big of a lead

agreed! and i feel like this is the same reason why we lose a lot of our games

[LakersFan626]

LeBron is the better overall player, though. He's putting up numbers only comparable to Oscar Robertson and Jordan.

When LeBron wins 6 NBA titles, 6 finals MVP awards, 5 regular season MVP awards, 10 scoring titles, carries his team to the best record in NBA history, and carries a scrub team to 37 wins two years in a row in his late 30s, then he'll be comparable to Jordan. Till then, he's not as good as Jordan (and I don't think anyone will be THAT good ever again). Him and Kobe are about neck and neck with each other.

[LA_Showtime]

When LeBron wins 6 NBA titles, 6 finals MVP awards, 5 regular season MVP awards, 10 scoring titles, carries his team to the best record in NBA history, and carries a scrub team to 37 wins two years in a row in his late 30s, then he'll be comparable to Jordan. Till then, he's not as good as Jordan (and I don't think anyone will be THAT good ever again). Him and Kobe are about neck and neck with each other.

What? So LeBron James has to match Michael Jordan's resume but Kobe Bryant can do less and he's considered neck and neck? Huh? :oldlol:

That BruceBlitz guy is such a ****ing douche. I feel bad for the guy. He's at least 30 years old and all he does is make crappy videos no one likes.

[raptorfan_dr07]

While Bruce Blitz does go extremely overboard with his opinions and videos, he has a valid point. I'm glad to see a select few(kuniva damighty, Diesel J, LA_Showtime) actually took the time to give valid opinions on it instead of the same old attack BB while offering no intelligent insight whatsoever. Yeah he's a fanatic but he makes valid points every now and then. He's not in the KB42PAH or Cantstop mold who just spout off false BS and always come across as being ignorant retards with no knowledge of basketball. I think it's funny that on LA Sports Radio, as well as ISH, Lakers fans are so quick to criticize Andrew Bynum and saying stuff like "he's been in the league for 5 years already and still hasn't learned how to play defense, rebound, etc" yet say nothing about his All-Star SG teammate who's been in the league for 13 years yet still hasn't learned not to go 1 on 5, especially when you've got a team as talanted as the Lakers are.

On another note, Fatal must truly have a pathetic life. He claims to hate Bruce Blitz and ridicules his opinions, yet for some unknown reason, he seems to stalk BB's youtube channel and obsesses over whatever BB posts on youtube(this isn't the first thread/comment he's made on ISH about something BB said on youtube). I don't like KB42PAH and I know all his so called "basketball knowledge" is nothing but complete fabrications and ignorant BS, yet I'm not always looking at his youtube or running to ISH and yelling about some new dumb thing he says.

[Bodhi]

What exactly happened to Bruce?? The guy was always on ish and then he just vanished.

He started freaking out once the Cavaliers lost to the Magic and went around guaranteeing that they'd shut down Kobe. Everyone made fun of him for it and eventually he left.

[Lebron23]

Classic BruceBlitz

:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

When LeBron wins 6 NBA titles, 6 finals MVP awards, 5 regular season MVP awards, 10 scoring titles, carries his team to the best record in NBA history, and carries a scrub team to 37 wins two years in a row in his late 30s, then he'll be comparable to Jordan. Till then, he's not as good as Jordan (and I don't think anyone will be THAT good ever again). Him and Kobe are about neck and neck with each other.

Because Kobe's 4 titles (3 of them he didn't anchor), 1 Finals MVP, 1 MVP, 2 scoring titles, hasn't carried his team to the best NBA record of all time, means he's neck and neck with Jordan, right? Only on this forum. :oldlol:



On another note, Fatal must truly have a pathetic life. He claims to hate Bruce Blitz and ridicules his opinions, yet for some unknown reason, he seems to stalk BB's youtube channel and obsesses over whatever BB posts on youtube(this isn't the first thread/comment he's made on ISH about something BB said on youtube). I don't like KB42PAH and I know all his so called "basketball knowledge" is nothing but complete fabrications and ignorant BS, yet I'm not always looking at his youtube or running to ISH and yelling about some new dumb thing he says.

Agreed. Why is that fatal9 dude all over his package? Bruceblitz might come off as extreme, but he looks like a guy who just loves basketball and tells it like it is--Fisher being an all star though? Not so much :oldlol:

[artex]

i tried listening but i found his vox pretty annoying

[phoenix18]

Why is BruceBlitz always playing with Sean? You never see him playing with anyone else.:confusedshrug:

I really wonder what his day is like though. If someone says something about MJ sucking at work I wonder what he would do.

[Doranku]

Why is BruceBlitz always playing with Sean? You never see him playing with anyone else.:confusedshrug:

I really wonder what his day is like though. If someone says something about MJ sucking at work I wonder what he would do.

You think an obnoxious, arrogant middle-aged guy filled with hatred for a man he's never met has friends? :roll:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I was looking through all his videos and found this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfY0WRvuhw0

Probably one of the only videos that I liked--100% accurate on his part

[Allstar24]

WOW. Homeboy threw on a suit and tie, to film a youtube video?!
:roll: :roll: :roll:


I'm glad he's out of here, his copy and paste routine and endless rants about Kobe page after page after page were getting tiresome. He'll probably be back before the playoffs though.

[chazzy]

Because Kobe's 4 titles (3 of them he didn't anchor), 1 Finals MVP, 1 MVP, 2 scoring titles, hasn't carried his team to the best NBA record of all time, means he's neck and neck with Jordan, right? Only on this forum. :oldlol:


Relax, he meant Lebron and Kobe are neck and neck..

[Roundball_Rock]

I was looking through all his videos and found this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfY0WRvuhw0

Probably one of the only videos that I liked--100% accurate on his part

Jordan fans complaining about the media building an athlete up. Wow.

The kind of money Jordan has had pumped marketing him is comparable to that of presidential campaigns. To this day ESPN hypes him in a way it does with no other retired athlete. The only way, say, Kareem gets mentioned on ESPN is if he gets cancer. Yet you would think Jordan retired just yesterday. Just look at the number of hits a Google search returns for him. You can do this yourself. It takes only 0.2 seconds for a given search plus 3-5 seconds to type a given name.

Google news items for athlete (after typing their first and last names. Most figures are rounded):

Michael Jordan: 10,500 (about 600 are for the Sheen-Jordan commercial news)
Carmelo: 4,000
Kobe: 12,500
Lebron: 9,500
Dirk: 5,500
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 143
Wilt Chamberlain: 215
Larry Bird: 800

Gee, guess who the masses will consider the GOAT? The guy with 10,500 recent mentions in the media or the guy with 143? :rolleyes:

Brett Favre: 9,000
Tom Brady: 10,000
Joe Montana: 1,300 (retired)
Federer: 14,000
Sampras: 600 (retired)
Fernando Alonso: 8,000
Senna: 700 (deceased in 94')
Sidney Crosby: 4,000
Wayne Gretzy: 700 (retired)
Jimmie Johnson: 700
Dale Earnhardt Jr.: 1,000
Richard Petty: 400 (retired. His total is inflated because he owns a race team named after him and it came up in some hits.)
Darrell Waltrip: 40
A Rod: 2,700
Jeter: 800
Babe Ruth: 700
Willie Mays: 800

Wow. Just wow. He gers more publicity than people competing at the top of their games today and crushes all the retired GOAT candidates and this applies both to basketball and other sports. Only Kobe and Roger Federer eclipsed him. Among retired legends, the closest is Joe Montana, who gets under 1/10 the pub MJ gets.

How about some other famous people?

Barack Obama: 180,000
Vladimir Putin: 6,000
Gordon Brown: 38,000
Jesus Christ: 8,800
Pope Benedict: 4,700
Buddha: 2,000
Abraham Lincoln: 1,600
Franklin Roosevelt: 1,600
Elvis: 7,700
Angelina Jolie: 5,500
Taylor Swift: 9,000
Kanye West: 3,400
Hu Jintao: 4,000

/survey. Jordan is getting 2 1/2 times more publicity than the president of China? One was last a major factor on the basketball court over a decade ago. The other is the leader of the second most important country in the world. Yet...?! :wtf: :wtf:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Jordan fans complaining about the media building an athlete up. Wow.

The kind of money Jordan has had pumped marketing him is comparable to that of presidential campaigns. To this day ESPN hypes him in a way it does with no other retired athlete. The only way, say, Kareem gets mentioned on ESPN is if he gets cancer. Yet you would think Jordan retired just yesterday. Just look at the number of hits a Google search returns for him. You can do this yourself. It takes only 0.2 seconds for a given search plus 3-5 seconds to type a given name.

One word: entertainment. Jordan was a main attraction because of his dominance, artistry and charisma. Rarely was he in the media for wrong doings. He was great with the media actually. What Kobe is getting is undeserved HYPE. One ring as the teams leader, awesome. But the continuous Jordan comparisons and GOAT labels are simply unwarranted. He's simply not as great as the top tiers. Michael Jordan became the universal measuring stick for appraising greatness. Jordan, the athlete, as well as cultural icon, has had such an effect on global society that info of standout athletes in other sports, as well as top artists, business executives and elite achievers in any field, began with: "He/she is the Michael Jodan of". There is a reason for this:

Highest career scoring average: MJ 30.12
- Highest career playoff scoring average: MJ 33.4
- Highest career Finals scoring average: MJ 33.6 (min. 15 games)
- Highest single season playoff average: MJ 43.7
- Highest single Finals series average: MJ 41.0
- Most Total Points Playoffs: MJ 5987
- Most seasons leading league in scoring: MJ 10
- Most seasons leading league in total points: MJ 11
- Most consecutive seasons leading in scoring: MJ, Wilt tied at 7
- Most 50 point games playoffs: MJ 8
- Most 40 point games playoffs: MJ 38
- Most 30 point games: MJ 563
- Most 30 point games playoffs: MJ 109
- Most consecutive 50 point games playoffs: MJ 2
- Most consecutive 45 point games playoffs: MJ 3
- Most consecutive 40 point games finals: MJ 4
- Most consecutive 30 point games finals: MJ 9
- Most consecutive 20 point games playoffs: MJ 60
- Most consecutive 20 point games finals: MJ 35
- Most consecutive double figures scoring: MJ 866
- Highest scoring game playoffs: MJ 63
- Most points in one half finals: MJ 35
- Oldest to score 50: MJ 51 at age 38
- Oldest to score 40: MJ 43 at age 40

Jordan won 10 scoring titles, 5 he won while making over 50% of his shots, Jordan led the league in steals, Jordan was the best shot blocking guard, Jordan won 14 combined MVP's (3 all star, 5 league, 6 finals). Jordan averaged 33, 6, and 6 in the Finals for his career. Jordan averaged 31.5ppg on 51.5% shooting when he wore a Bulls uniform while leading the league in scoring 10 times.

His resume was simply greatness. He mastered his profession. The hype was at times overbearing, but still deserved dude. Also, for the last time, I'm not a Jordan 'fan'. I respected his game and feel he is the best to EVER play, but he's not even close to being my favorite player of all time.

[Roundball_Rock]

I agree with you on the Kobe hype, as well as the Lebron hype and the hype surrounding their peers in other sports. What you, blitz, and many others fail to realize is Jordan is the biggest beneficiary of hype and marketing in the history of sports.


He was great with the media actually.

Oh yes. He is one of the most intelligent sports superstars ever. He was smart enough to know that journalism is the first draft of history. In sports journalists play a far larger role in legacy than, say, in politics. There are many historians studying someone like Abe Lincoln. There isn't much being done to study Wilt or Russell. Their legacy is heavily dependent on what the press said then and what it says now (nothing today...). He was great with the press; Kareem sucked with the press. Connect the dots. JFK was great with the press and he is still revered even though he achieved less in office than his successor and his three predecessors! Whenever Americans are asked who the GOAT president is JFK is always #1 or #2 along with Lincoln. What is wrong with that picture? JFK and Jordan are great examples of what clever press management can do for your legacy.


Jordan, the athlete, as well as cultural icon, has had such an effect on global society that info of standout athletes in other sports, as well as top artists, business executives and elite achievers in any field

Much of that is true. Forbes estimated Jordan generated $10 billion a year for the economy in the late 90's. What Jordan fans fail to realize is many people had a vested interest in hyping Jordan, including ESPN and NBC. The greater Jordan looked, the more ratings they got just as the same is true with Kobe or Lebron today. The difference is neither has the same level of corporate marketing $$$$ behind him that Jordan does.

Jordan had a limited effect on global society, though. His effect was limited even in America or North Carolina. The one time he had a chance to make an impact and help defeat the notorious racist Senator Helms of North Carolina he punted in favor of selling sneakers instead of taking a stand. Jordan's impact was on generating $$$$ for corporations and the NBA. He didn't change the lives of people in any meaningful way. When again he had a chance to make some impact, this time regarding Nike's sweatshops, he did nothing. Many celebrities have lent their fame to great causes. Jordan is not one of them. You want to talk real impact look at these guys:

Barack Obama: 180,000
Vladimir Putin: 6,000
Gordon Brown: 38,000
Jesus Christ: 8,800
Pope Benedict: 4,700
Buddha: 2,000
Abraham Lincoln: 1,600
Franklin Roosevelt: 1,600
Hu Jintao: 4,000

:roll: @ a retired basketball player getting more ink than Jesus and more ink than the presidents of China and Russia combined. If Jordan never lived the world would pretty much be the same as it is, other than Nike being irrelevant like it was before it built a marketing campaign solely around Jordan. Even that is not a big deal. Who cares which sneaker company dominates? Now remove FDR or Jesus from history. How would you like speaking German, for one? Yeah, they are historical figures but as much as it may pain some to acknowledge Jordan, too, is now a historical figure.

Plus, sticking to sports you are looking through basketball tunnel vision. Wayne Gretzky, Babe Ruth, and Michael Schumacher (I excluded him because he has gotten a lot of press lately for coming back. However, even with him coming back he barely beats Jordan 13,000 to 10,500) dominated their respective sports far more than Jordan did in basketball. You could say hockey is a small sport so that is why Gretzky barely gets any press. That doesn't explain why hockey's current best player gets 6x more press than Gretzky. In basketball Jordan actually returns more Google hits than today's best player (Lebron)! The "small sport" excuse also does not pertain to Ruth and Schumacher. F1 is not big in America but it is big overseas and Google searches globally. Yet a retired basketball player gets about as much ink as the F1 GOAT who just announced his comeback 2-3 weeks ago?

Gretzky has the individual dominance of Wilt, the winning of Russell, and longevity of Kareem. He has scored something like twice as many points as anyone else.

Schumacher has 7 titles (the next highest is 4) and by far the most race wins. The only argument against him is he won in a weak era (the same argument can be made against Jordan but is not because Schumacher lacked the marketing machine to quash all dissent. Jordan's chief competitor in his title years were led by Patrick Ewing and Karl Malone. That is not exactly going up against Wilt and West every year or Bird and Dr. J).

Babe Ruth is, well, Babe Ruth.

There is nothing to justify why a retired player who was last relevant over a decade ago and is running a below average franchise today is getting more publicity than Jesus Christ or the president of China.

Ok. You are not a Jordan fan. You just believe he "deserves" more ink than Jesus and Buddha combined. :confusedshrug:

You can cite a laundry list of achievements for any GOAT candidate btw. For example Wilt:

100-POINT GAME - March 2, 1962, vs. New York at Hershey, Pa.

* 100 - holds single-game records for most points
* 59 - most points in one half
* 36 - most field goals made
* 22 - most field goals made in one half
* 63 - most field goals attempted
* 37 - most field goals attempted in one half
* 21 - most field goals attempted in one quarter
* 28 - shares single-game record for most free throws made

NBA REGULAR-SEASON RECORDS

Career

* 118 - most games with 50 or more points
* 9 - most seasons leading league in field goal percentage
* 23,924 - most rebounds
* 22.9 - highest rebounds-per-game average (minimum 400 games)
* 7 - shares career record for most consecutive seasons leading league in scoring (1959-60 through 1965-66)

Single-Season

* 45 - holds single-season records for most games with 50 or more points (1962)
* 3,882 - most minutes played (1962)
* 4,029 - most points (1962)
* 50.4 - highest points-per-game average (1962)
* 2,707 - most points by a rookie (1960)
* 1,597 - most field goals made (1962)
* 35 - most consecutive field goals made (February 17 through February 28, 1967)
* 3,159 - most field goals attempted (1962)
* .727 - highest field goal percentage (1973)
* 1,363 - most free throws attempted (1962)
* 2,149 - most rebounds (1961)
* 1,941 - most rebounds by a rookie (1960)
* 27.2 - highest rebounds-per-game average (1961)

Single Game
* record set on March 2, 1962, vs. New York at Hershey, Pa.

* *100 - most points
* *59 - most points in one half
* *36 - most field goals made
* *22 - most field goals made in one half
* *63 - most field goals attempted
* *37 - most field goals attempted in one half
* *21 - most field goals attempted in one quarter<>
* 58 - most points by a rookie (January 25, 1960, vs. Detroit)
* 1.000 - highest field goal percentage (minimum 15 made)
(15-for-15, January 20, 1967, vs. Los Angeles;
18-for-18, February 24, 1967, vs. Baltimore; and
16-for-16, March 19, 1967, vs. Baltimore)
* 55 - most rebounds (November 24, 1960, vs. Boston)
* 45 - most rebounds by a rookie (February 6, 1960, vs. Syracuse)
* *28 - shares single-game record for most free throws made (March 2, 1962, vs. New York at Hershey, Pa.)

Points
* record set on March 2, 1962, vs. New York at Hershey, Pa.

* 118 - holds career records for most games with 50 or more points
* 7 - shares career records for most consecutive seasons leading league in scoring (1959-60 through 1965-66)
* 45 - most games with 50 or more points (1962)
* 4,029 - most points, single season (1962)
* 50.4 - highest points-per-game average (1962)
* 2,707 - most points by a rookie (1960)
* *100 - most points, game
* *59 - most points in one half
* *36 - most field goals made
* *22 - most field goals made in one half
* *63 - most field goals attempted
* *37 - most field goals attempted in one half
* *21 - most field goals attempted in one quarter
* 58 - most points by a rookie (January 25, 1960, vs. Detroit)

Rebounds

* 23,924 - most rebounds, career
* 22.9 - highest rebounds-per-game average (minimum 400 games)
* 2,149 - most rebounds—2,149 (1961)
* 1,941 - most rebounds by a rookie (1960)
* 27.2 - highest rebounds-per-game average (1961)
* 55 - most rebounds (November 24, 1960, vs. Boston)
* 45 - most rebounds by a rookie (February 6, 1960, vs. Syracuse)

HONORS

* NBA Most Valuable Player (1960, 1966, 1967, 1968)
* NBA Rookie of the Year (1960)
* All-NBA first team (1960, 1961, 1962, 1964, 1966, 1967, 1968)
* All-NBA second team (1963, 1965, 1972)
* NBA All-Defensive first team (1972, 1973)

NBA PLAYOFF RECORD

* NBA Finals Most Valuable Player (1972)
* 26 - most rebounds in one half (April 16, 1967, vs. San Francisco)
* 32.0 - holds single-series playoff record for highest rebounds-per-game average (1967)
* 41 - holds single-game playoff records for most rebounds (April 5, 1967, vs. Boston)
* 26 - most rebounds in one half (April 16, 1967, vs. San Francisco)
* 53 - most points by a rookie (March 14, 1960, vs. Syracuse)
* 24 - shares single-game playoff records for most field goals made (March 14, 1960, vs. Syracuse)
* 48 - most field goals attempted (March 22, 1962, vs. Syracuse)
* 25 - most field goals attempted in one half (March 22, 1962, vs. Syracuse)

Wilt vs. Jordan as individuals

Number of regular season records: Wilt 56, Jordan 4
Number of 50+ point games: Wilt 119, Jordan 30
Number of times led league in assists, fg%, minutes, and rebounds: Wilt 29, Jordan 0


Let me guess: he didn't win enough. It always comes down to "rings as the man" with MJ fans (except in the case of Russell...). Duncan has 4 "rings as the man." Does that mean he is the third greatest player in history behind Russell and Jordan? Maybe Wilt would have won more “rings as the man” if like MJ he had the best team for a decade, not Russell. Maybe he would have won more if the leader of his team's chief competitor was Patrick Ewing, not Bill Russell. Maybe he would have won more than 4 MVP's if his chief competitor for MVP's was David Robinson, not Bill Russell. This is just Wilt. Maybe Kareem would have more “rings as the man” if he didn't play with 0 all-stars during ages 26-31. Maybe he would have won more “rings as the man” if he got Magic when he was young like Jordan did with Pippen. Maybe he would have more "rings as the man" if he ever played with a PF who averaged more than 10 boards a game. Of course, we know Russell has more "rings as the man" than Jordan, Wilt, and Shaq combined yet when it comes to Russell "rings" and MVP's are not the magic criterions anymore. It is just scoring. When it comes to Wilt, though, the magic criterion is winning, not scoring.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

JFK was great with the press and he is still revered even though he achieved less in office than his successor and his three predecessors! Whenever Americans are asked who the GOAT president is JFK is always #1 or #2 along with Lincoln. What is wrong with that picture? JFK and Jordan are great examples of what clever press management can do for your legacy.

Firstly, this is a basketball discussion, not a Political Science debate. Too entertain you, though, JFK in comparison didn't do what Michael Jordan did in basketball. Jordan actually spent 14+ years revolutionizing the sport and his resume backs this up. It's a combination of his resume, sellable image and candor with the media.



The difference is neither has the same level of corporate marketing $$$$ behind him that Jordan does.

Jordan got that overtime, and accumulated much of his global sales/marketing during the end of Clinton's administration.


Jordan had a limited effect on global society, though. His effect was limited even in America or North Carolina. The one time he had a chance to make an impact and help defeat the notorious racist Senator Helms of North Carolina he punted in favor of selling sneakers instead of taking a stand.

This is true. He never took a stance like another GOAT candidate, Ali.


This is true. He wasn't a Muhammad Ali who took a stance in this particular subject.

Barack Obama: 180,000
Vladimir Putin: 6,000
Gordon Brown: 38,000
Jesus Christ: 8,800
Pope Benedict: 4,700
Buddha: 2,000
Abraham Lincoln: 1,600
Franklin Roosevelt: 1,600
Hu Jintao: 4,000

:roll: @ a retired basketball player getting more ink than Jesus and more ink than the presidents of China and Russia combined.

Again, it's entertainment. Entertainment sales just two years ago:

Total U.S. Media Spending alone:
874.0 Bil. US$


Plus, sticking to sports you are looking through basketball tunnel vision. Wayne Gretzky, Babe Ruth, and Michael Schumacher (I excluded him because he has gotten a lot of press lately for coming back.However, even with him coming back he barely beats Jordan 13,000 to 10,500) dominated their respective sports far more than Jordan did in basketball.

Name one person that dominated basketball other than Kareem or Wilt (who have the best case rivaling Jordan's career) like Jordan? Jordan simply has the best case out of all 3, IF we HAD to choose a GOAT. Michael Jordan to basketball is comparable to Gretsky to Hockey, Ruth to Baseball (some consider Ty Cobb and Willie Mays GOAT too) etc. We've already discussed that you felt Kareem was GOAT. That's debatable, never the less, your opinion.



Ok. You are not a Jordan fan. You just believe he "deserves" more ink than Jesus and Buddha combined. :confusedshrug:

I never said that, did I? You're failing to see Entertainment attracts the mass like no other. Is that ok to me? No, but it's the way it is. Entertainment sells, simple as that.


You can cite a laundry list of achievements for any GOAT candidate btw. For example Wilt:

That's true, but when you look at who has the best combination of statistics, awards etc (along with media press and praise from fans), Jordan wins.

[KB2009Champ]

ya'll must really have nothing to do. how does a discussion of a game turn into the crap (from both sides) that ya'll are posting.

smh

[Roundball_Rock]

Firstly, this is a basketball discussion, not a Political Science debate. Too entertain you, though, JFK in comparison didn't do what Michael Jordan did in basketball. Jordan actually spent 14+ years revolutionizing the sport and his resume backs this up. It's a combination of his resume, sellable image and candor with the media.

JFK is the premier example of what clever media management can do for a legacy. He can't be ignored when discussing the analogue to him in sports.

JFK prevented World War III. If Jordan never existed ratings would be down. No big deal. If JFK screwed up or listened to some of his generals tens of millions would have been killed in a nuclear holocaust.


I never said that, did I? You're failing to see Entertainment attracts the mass like no other. Is that ok to me? No, but it's the way it is. Entertainment sells, simple as that.

How about:

Elvis: 7,700
Angelina Jolie: 5,500
Taylor Swift: 9,000
Kanye West: 3,400
Carmelo: 4,000
Kobe: 12,500
Lebron: 9,500
Dirk: 5,500
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 143
Wilt Chamberlain: 215
Larry Bird: 800

Gee, guess who the masses will consider the GOAT? The guy with 10,500 recent mentions in the media or the guy with 143?

Brett Favre: 9,000
Tom Brady: 10,000
Joe Montana: 1,300 (retired)
Federer: 14,000
Sampras: 600 (retired)
Fernando Alonso: 8,000
Senna: 700 (deceased in 94')
Sidney Crosby: 4,000
Wayne Gretzy: 700 (retired)
Jimmie Johnson: 700
Dale Earnhardt Jr.: 1,000
Richard Petty: 400 (retired. His total is inflated because he owns a race team named after him and it came up in some hits.)
Darrell Waltrip: 40
A Rod: 2,700
Jeter: 800
Babe Ruth: 700
Willie Mays: 800
Michael Jordan: 10,500 (about 600 are for the Sheen-Jordan commercial news)

Brett Favre and Tom Brady are relevant today yet Jordan is getting more publicity than them?


Michael Jordan to basketball is comparable to Gretsky to Hockey, Ruth to Baseball (some consider Ty Cobb and Willie Mays GOAT too) etc

He isn't comparable to Gretzky. He does not have anywhere near the individual dominance of Gretkzy. Jordan is not even his sport's most dominant individual. Wilt easily as and others have cases over Jordan in that area (Kareem, Russell, Shaq). Gretzky is by far the most dominant individual in his sport. Ruth is hard to compare because of the differences between positions in baseball. The bottom line, though, is Babe Ruth is the majority GOAT in a sport with popularity comparable to if not greater than basketball and yet Jordan results in 15x more media mentions. You can't play the time card either. Look at Gretzky, Sampras, Montana, and Petty. They all retired in the 90's or 00's. The most telling thing is the drop-off between "best today" and "GOAT candidate from the past" in a given sport. In every case, both basketball and non-basketball, there is a massive drop-off in media mentions--except Jordan who actually gets more pub than anyone playing today except for Kobe, and he isn't far behind him.


That's true, but when you look at who has the best combination of statistics, awards etc (along with media press and praise from fans), Jordan wins.

That may be true. One could argue the same things for Kareem or Wilt. MJ=GOAT partisans fail to see people could construct combination that favor others. They view their combination as the only possible one. A lot of the Jordan "combination" is based on him simply having better luck than Wilt and Kareem.

Even if we accept your statement, though, it doesn't explain why he is getting more ink than Lebron, Tom Brady, Sidney Crosby, and even Jesus Christ. He retired in 2003 and was last a major factor in 1998. Lebron, Brady (Manning>Brady but Brady is playing this week so I used him), and Crosby are at the top of their games today. Lebron plays the same sport as Jordan and Brady a far more popular sport so you can't play the "more popular sport" card like you can with Crosby. It also doesn't explain why he is getting 73x more mentions than Kareem and nearly 50 times more mentions than Wilt.

Regarding politics and the news, Gordon Brown got 38,000 hits and Barack Obama 180,000. Clearly political leaders get in the news.


how does a discussion of a game turn into the crap (from both sides) that ya'll are posting.


It is page 7. What do you expect? Besides, the thread isn't really about the game. It is about bruceblitz's fanaticism. Blitz posted a video on the media hyping some athletes (he made many good points but failed to see the irony involving a Jordan fan whining about this), someone saw it and that led to this. It isn't as if we went to a "6th man of the year" thread and started talking about the media. You joined ISH about a week or two before blitz was run out of town so you don't know who we are talking about.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

JFK is the premier example of what clever media management can do for a legacy. He can't be ignored when discussing the analogue to him in sports.

JFK prevented World War III. If Jordan never existed ratings would be down. No big deal. If JFK screwed up or listened to some of his generals tens of millions would have been killed in a nuclear holocaust.

You're comparing a presidents legacy to that of a mere sports figure. JFK is probably the best president of all time, but that is irrelevant. The original point? Kobe gets mass hype like no other. He's simply not a top tier legend.

"Gee, guess who the masses will consider the GOAT? The guy with 10,500 recent mentions in the media or the guy with 143?"

Again, what is the purpose of entertainment, Roundball_rock? Once you answer that quesiton, you'll understand why Jordan sold and was above all in mass marketing buys/sells.


He isn't comparable to Gretzky.

Sure he's comparable.

Jordan won 10 scoring titles, 5 he won while making over 50% of his shots, Jordan led the league in steals, Jordan won 14 combined MVP's (3 all star, 5 league, 6 finals). Jordan averaged 33, 6, and 6 in the Finals for his career. Jordan averaged 31.5ppg on 51.5% shooting when he wore a Bulls uniform while leading the league in scoring 10 times. When you combine all statistical records, playoff records, career average, playoff averages, MVPs, Finals MVPs, Rings, All-1st teams, All-1st Defensive Teams, All-star games, All-star MVPS, Jordan's resume rivals NONE. He's in a league of his own.


He does not have anywhere near the individual dominance of Gretkzy. Jordan is not even his sport's most dominant individual. Wilt easily as and others have cases over Jordan in that area (Kareem, Russell, Shaq)

That's debatable and just your opinion. If you don't value being a 6x champion, 5 time MVP, and 10 time scoring champion not dominant, I cannot help you.


Ruth is hard to compare because of the differences between positions in baseball. The bottom line, though, is Babe Ruth is the majority GOAT in a sport with popularity comparable to if not greater than basketball

The irony in this statement. With all the questions you have with Jordan and the masses labeling him 'GOAT', Ruth has just as many (inferior competition, no black athletes, etc).


A lot of the Jordan "combination" is based on him simply having better luck than Wilt and Kareem.

Luck or not, he still has the best combination. You can't argue facts.


Even if we accept your statement, though, it doesn't explain why he is getting more ink than Lebron, Tom Brady, Sidney Crosby, and even Jesus Christ

Because of his sheer ability to put on a show EACH and every time he stepped on the floor. Whether that be dunking the air out of the ball, defying the law of gravity, displaying superb fundamentals, spectacular fade-away jumpers, I can go on and on and on and on ... He gets more INK because of his dominance in the sport, shoe company, his clothing company, his dominance in marketing around China/Asia. He makes money of Nike for heavens sake. It's entertainment, which sales most in countries with a relevant economy.

[Myth]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqvbOqWGJo8

:roll: I'm dying.

Ladies and gentlemen, the SAMURAI of the jumpshot :applause:

:roll:

First of all, he doesn't look like a good player even when he edits out all of misses. I especially loved watching him struggle to dribble down in the post against nobody, but his friends also play terrible defense, so not once does he make a move that makes me think "ok, well at least that one was somewhat impressive."

Second, what idiot would agree to play basketball against him while he is filming? I would love to see that exchange:
Bruce: Hey, want to play 1 on 1?
Douche friend: Sure.
Bruce: Mind if I video tape us playing?
Douche friend: What will you do with the tape?
Bruce: Well, if you beat me or are beating me at any point in the game, I will do nothing with the clips I get.
Douche friend: And what if you beat me?
Bruce: Well, any time I am beating you and I score, I will put it on YouTube for all to see. That way, everybody thinks I am invincible on the basketball court because it looks like I never miss and nobody ever beats me.
Douche friend: .....................
Bruce: So do we have a game?
Douche friend: ......... ok, sounds fair.

[TryToBeUnbias]

:roll:

First of all, he doesn't look like a good player even when he edits out all of misses. I especially loved watching him struggle to dribble down in the post against nobody, but his friends also play terrible defense, so not once does he make a move that makes me think "ok, well at least that one was somewhat impressive."

Second, what idiot would agree to play basketball against him while he is filming? I would love to see that exchange:
Bruce: Hey, want to play 1 on 1?
Douche friend: Sure.
Bruce: Mind if I video tape us playing?
Douche friend: What will you do with the tape?
Bruce: Well, if you beat me or are beating me at any point in the game, I will do nothing with the clips I get.
Douche friend: And what if you beat me?
Bruce: Well, any time I am beating you and I score, I will put it on YouTube for all to see. That way, everybody thinks I am invincible on the basketball court because it looks like I never miss and nobody ever beats me.
Douche friend: .....................
Bruce: So do we have a game?
Douche friend: ......... ok, sounds fair.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[juju151111]

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]I agree with you on the Kobe hype, as well as the Lebron hype and the hype surrounding their peers in other sports. What you, blitz, and many others fail to realize is Jordan is the biggest beneficiary of hype and marketing in the history of sports.



Oh yes. He is one of the most intelligent sports superstars ever. He was smart enough to know that journalism is the first draft of history. In sports journalists play a far larger role in legacy than, say, in politics. There are many historians studying someone like Abe Lincoln. There isn't much being done to study Wilt or Russell. Their legacy is heavily dependent on what the press said then and what it says now (nothing today...). He was great with the press; Kareem sucked with the press. Connect the dots. JFK was great with the press and he is still revered even though he achieved less in office than his successor and his three predecessors! Whenever Americans are asked who the GOAT president is JFK is always #1 or #2 along with Lincoln. What is wrong with that picture? JFK and Jordan are great examples of what clever press management can do for your legacy.



Much of that is true. Forbes estimated Jordan generated $10 billion a year for the economy in the late 90's. What Jordan fans fail to realize is many people had a vested interest in hyping Jordan, including ESPN and NBC. The greater Jordan looked, the more ratings they got just as the same is true with Kobe or Lebron today. The difference is neither has the same level of corporate marketing $$$$ behind him that Jordan does.

Jordan had a limited effect on global society, though. His effect was limited even in America or North Carolina. The one time he had a chance to make an impact and help defeat the notorious racist Senator Helms of North Carolina he punted in favor of selling sneakers instead of taking a stand. Jordan's impact was on generating $$$$ for corporations and the NBA. He didn't change the lives of people in any meaningful way. When again he had a chance to make some impact, this time regarding Nike's sweatshops, he did nothing. Many celebrities have lent their fame to great causes. Jordan is not one of them. You want to talk real impact look at these guys:

Barack Obama: 180,000
Vladimir Putin: 6,000
Gordon Brown: 38,000
Jesus Christ: 8,800
Pope Benedict: 4,700
Buddha: 2,000
Abraham Lincoln: 1,600
Franklin Roosevelt: 1,600
Hu Jintao: 4,000

:roll: @ a retired basketball player getting more ink than Jesus and more ink than the presidents of China and Russia combined. If Jordan never lived the world would pretty much be the same as it is, other than Nike being irrelevant like it was before it built a marketing campaign solely around Jordan. Even that is not a big deal. Who cares which sneaker company dominates? Now remove FDR or Jesus from history. How would you like speaking German, for one? Yeah, they are historical figures but as much as it may pain some to acknowledge Jordan, too, is now a historical figure.

Plus, sticking to sports you are looking through basketball tunnel vision. Wayne Gretzky, Babe Ruth, and Michael Schumacher (I excluded him because he has gotten a lot of press lately for coming back. However, even with him coming back he barely beats Jordan 13,000 to 10,500) dominated their respective sports far more than Jordan did in basketball. You could say hockey is a small sport so that is why Gretzky barely gets any press. That doesn't explain why hockey's current best player gets 6x more press than Gretzky. In basketball Jordan actually returns more Google hits than today's best player (Lebron)! The "small sport" excuse also does not pertain to Ruth and Schumacher. F1 is not big in America but it is big overseas and Google searches globally. Yet a retired basketball player gets about as much ink as the F1 GOAT who just announced his comeback 2-3 weeks ago?

Gretzky has the individual dominance of Wilt, the winning of Russell, and longevity of Kareem. He has scored something like twice as many points as anyone else.

Schumacher has 7 titles (the next highest is 4) and by far the most race wins. The only argument against him is he won in a weak era (the same argument can be made against Jordan but is not because Schumacher lacked the marketing machine to quash all dissent. Jordan's chief competitor in his title years were led by Patrick Ewing and Karl Malone. That is not exactly going up against Wilt and West every year or Bird and Dr. J).

Babe Ruth is, well, Babe Ruth.

There is nothing to justify why a retired player who was last relevant over a decade ago and is running a below average franchise today is getting more publicity than Jesus Christ or the president of China.

Ok. You are not a Jordan fan. You just believe he "deserves" more ink than Jesus and Buddha combined. :confusedshrug:

You can cite a laundry list of achievements for any GOAT candidate btw. For example Wilt:

100-POINT GAME - March 2, 1962, vs. New York at Hershey, Pa.

* 100 - holds single-game records for most points
* 59 - most points in one half
* 36 - most field goals made
* 22 - most field goals made in one half
* 63 - most field goals attempted
* 37 - most field goals attempted in one half
* 21 - most field goals attempted in one quarter
* 28 - shares single-game record for most free throws made

NBA REGULAR-SEASON RECORDS

Career

* 118 - most games with 50 or more points
* 9 - most seasons leading league in field goal percentage
* 23,924 - most rebounds
* 22.9 - highest rebounds-per-game average (minimum 400 games)
* 7 - shares career record for most consecutive seasons leading league in scoring (1959-60 through 1965-66)

Single-Season

* 45 - holds single-season records for most games with 50 or more points (1962)
* 3,882 - most minutes played (1962)
* 4,029 - most points (1962)
* 50.4 - highest points-per-game average (1962)
* 2,707 - most points by a rookie (1960)
* 1,597 - most field goals made (1962)
* 35 - most consecutive field goals made (February 17 through February 28, 1967)
* 3,159 - most field goals attempted (1962)
* .727 - highest field goal percentage (1973)
* 1,363 - most free throws attempted (1962)
* 2,149 - most rebounds (1961)
* 1,941 - most rebounds by a rookie (1960)
* 27.2 - highest rebounds-per-game average (1961)

Single Game
* record set on March 2, 1962, vs. New York at Hershey, Pa.

* *100 - most points
* *59 - most points in one half
* *36 - most field goals made
* *22 - most field goals made in one half
* *63 - most field goals attempted
* *37 - most field goals attempted in one half
* *21 - most field goals attempted in one quarter<>
* 58 - most points by a rookie (January 25, 1960, vs. Detroit)
* 1.000 - highest field goal percentage (minimum 15 made)
(15-for-15, January 20, 1967, vs. Los Angeles;
18-for-18, February 24, 1967, vs. Baltimore; and
16-for-16, March 19, 1967, vs. Baltimore)
* 55 - most rebounds (November 24, 1960, vs. Boston)
* 45 - most rebounds by a rookie (February 6, 1960, vs. Syracuse)
* *28 - shares single-game record for most free throws made (March 2, 1962, vs. New York at Hershey, Pa.)

Points
* record set on March 2, 1962, vs. New York at Hershey, Pa.

* 118 - holds career records for most games with 50 or more points
* 7 - shares career records for most consecutive seasons leading league in scoring (1959-60 through 1965-66)
* 45 - most games with 50 or more points (1962)
* 4,029 - most points, single season (1962)
* 50.4 - highest points-per-game average (1962)
* 2,707 - most points by a rookie (1960)
* *100 - most points, game
* *59 - most points in one half
* *36 - most field goals made
* *22 - most field goals made in one half
* *63 - most field goals attempted
* *37 - most field goals attempted in one half
* *21 - most field goals attempted in one quarter
* 58 - most points by a rookie (January 25, 1960, vs. Detroit)

Rebounds

* 23,924 - most rebounds, career
* 22.9 - highest rebounds-per-game average (minimum 400 games)
* 2,149 - most rebounds

[Bodhi]

Funny how Bruceblitz gets mentioned and people inevitably post lists of stats that no one will read just like BB did.

[Cyclone112]

Funny how Bruceblitz gets mentioned and people inevitably post lists of stats that no one will read just like BB did.

Some of which was written by him as well lol.

[LA_Showtime]

Funny how Bruceblitz gets mentioned and people inevitably post lists of stats that no one will read just like BB did.

I'm sure that Bruceblitz visits ISH on a regular basis. Mental cases like that don't suddenly stop.

[Diesel J]

Dude does make a valid point though..Kobe is shooting the ball way too much. Gasol and Bynum should be avg more FGA's than they are. Kobe was shooting 24 shots per game early this season before Gasol got back. I don't see like avg it out right now but dude has been shooting even more than that the past 2 weeks or so.

Dude must be gunning for a scoring title or something:lol

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=110

14-37 last night... Dude is is clearly trying to get a scoring title

[sportin_life]

There's something wrong with Kobe and I think it goes beyond his finger injuries. I'm not sure if he's just worn down from playing so many minutes at his age.

Watching the last 2 games, he wasn't as active off the ball as usual. Even with the ball, he would stand in place, maybe take a jab step or two and then pass or launch a jumper. He wasn't attacking the rim or elevating as much as he was earlier in the season.

I'm suspecting fatigue is catching up to him, since he's in his 30's now and he's played many seasons deep into the playoffs year after year. He's still averaging 38.5 minutes. They probably need to figure out a way to keep him closer to 30 mpg the way they do with Duncan and Garnett.

[Lakers13]

14-37 last night... Dude is is clearly trying to get a scoring title


or trying bring his team back from a double digit loss, what ever fits your agenda

[All Net]

There's something wrong with Kobe and I think it goes beyond his finger injuries. I'm not sure if he's just worn down from playing so many minutes at his age.

Watching the last 2 games, he wasn't as active off the ball as usual. Even with the ball, he would stand in place, maybe take a jab step or two and then pass or launch a jumper. He wasn't attacking the rim or elevating as much as he was earlier in the season.

I'm suspecting fatigue is catching up to him, since he's in his 30's now and he's played many seasons deep into the playoffs year after year. He's still averaging 38.5 minutes. They probably need to figure out a way to keep him closer to 30 mpg the way they do with Duncan and Garnett.

Kobe is 31 not 35...minutes and age I don't think has anything to do with his struggles recently..it's having to carry too much of the offensive load. Guys in and out of the line-up is hurting the team.

[oh the horror]

14-37 last night... Dude is is clearly trying to get a scoring title


Did you watch the game dude? No one on LA wanted to score, so what more can Kobe do, other than try to take the offensive load on his shoulders? Although he cannot be in the situation of taking that many shots, because lets face it....37 is outrageous, but at the same time, people on that squad are not stepping up in particular games. Its clear as day.

[aznboy2k2]

Did you watch the game dude? No one on LA wanted to score, so what more can Kobe do, other than try to take the offensive load on his shoulders? Although he cannot be in the situation of taking that many shots, because lets face it....37 is outrageous, but at the same time, people on that squad are not stepping up in particular games. Its clear as day.

LOL. stop making ****ing excuses for Kobe.
Nut huggin *****.
NO ONE SHOULD EVER SHOOT 37 shots in a game.

its not even like hes making the shots, he should learn to PASS the mother ****ing ball.

[chazzy]

LOL. stop making ****ing excuses for Kobe.
Nut huggin *****.
NO ONE SHOULD EVER SHOOT 37 shots in a game.

its not even like hes making the shots, he should learn to PASS the mother ****ing ball.

I'm convinced 2k2 is your birth year. You can't be older than 8

[oh the horror]

LOL. stop making ****ing excuses for Kobe.
Nut huggin *****.
NO ONE SHOULD EVER SHOOT 37 shots in a game.

its not even like hes making the shots, he should learn to PASS the mother ****ing ball.


Oh please. Does anyone take this little fool serious at this point?

[LA_Showtime]

Oh please. Does anyone take this little fool serious at this point?

No. He's an immature idiot who should be banned.

[oh the horror]

I crack up at these obviously super young posters, that come on here, with that little man syndrome. You know the type....they're young, small, probably get zero respect in person, so they come on here, and go into a frenzied rage on other posters for no apparent reason. Cussing everyone out, etc.


Its comedy. I cant even get mad at it.

[LA_Showtime]

I crack up at these obviously super young posters, that come on here, with that little man syndrome. You know the type....they're young, small, probably get zero respect in person, so they come on here, and go into a frenzied rage on other posters for no apparent reason. Cussing everyone out, etc.


Its comedy. I cant even get mad at it.

Half of the people who act like idiots claim to be 30 some years old. :oldlol: I pity those guys.

[oh the horror]

Sh*t, if you're 30 and you act like that, then hell....You've now entered the realm of mental illness.

[Posterized]

Wow, Kobe took more shots than Odom,Bynum, and Artest combined. There is simply no excuse for missing 23 shots in a game.

[lilo]

or trying bring his team back from a double digit loss, what ever fits your agenda
He failed at that but he did manage to score a lot, so what is it? You decide :lol

[Lakers13]

Wow, Kobe took more shots than Odom,Bynum, and Artest combined. There is simply no excuse for missing 23 shots in a game.


Please dont be afraid to post with your normal account

[Lakers13]

He failed at that but he did manage to score a lot, so what is it? You decide :lol


He scored a lot of points by taking a lot of shots trying to win the game.

[Posterized]

Please dont be afraid to post with your normal accountLol, I wish.

[poido123]

Kobe is competitive and he wants to have as many acheivements as he can before he retires, I have no problem with that...My problem is, that he is willing to sacrifice the flow and the chemistry of the team to gun for the MVP and scoring title...Its no secret that he looks up to Jordan, and wants to be considered better than him, hence the number 24...

Can I ask all Lakers fans here, do you see the gestures and fake personality displayed by Kobe like the rest of the fans can? I mean, some of his celebrations and mannerisms are disturbingly like Jordan's...i'm not bashing Kobe, but merely making an observation of what Ive seen...I also prop Kobe when he is doing things well too...

[Jacks3]

4 NBA championships, 6 Finals.

[Lakers13]

Kobe is competitive and he wants to have as many acheivements as he can before he retires, I have no problem with that...My problem is, that he is willing to sacrifice the flow and the chemistry of the team to gun for the MVP and scoring title...Its no secret that he looks up to Jordan, and wants to be considered better than him, hence the number 24...

Can I ask all Lakers fans here, do you see the gestures and fake personality displayed by Kobe like the rest of the fans can? I mean, some of his celebrations and mannerisms are disturbingly like Jordan's...i'm not bashing Kobe, but merely making an observation of what Ive seen...I also prop Kobe when he is doing things well too...


I didnt watch enough Jordan interviews to distinguish the difference, but I have heard a lot of people point it out.

[Wordup]

So what if the BruceBlitz is "crazy"? He's got a valid point that Kobe is chucking way too much and should be playing more like he was a few years ago, instead of carrying the offensive load all the time. I think it's pathetic that people are going to the point where they are saying BB must be mentally ill because he going on a stat rant. Loads of people here go on stat rants, and I think it's a superficial way. Here in England we don't obsess over stats for football like a lot of you are doing for bball.

[AirJordan&Magic]

So what if the BruceBlitz is "crazy"? He's got a valid point that Kobe is chucking way too much and should be playing more like he was a few years ago, instead of carrying the offensive load all the time. I think it's pathetic that people are going to the point where they are saying BB must be mentally ill because he going on a stat rant. Loads of people here go on stat rants, and I think it's a superficial way. Here in England we don't obsess over stats for football like a lot of you are doing for bball.

I actually agree except for the bolded part. I am certainly not saying he is mentally ill, but there is obviously something wrong with that guy......I have never in my life seen anyone so eager to completely trash a player's legacy like this guy...there is also another moron named Kb42pah.

These two have to be the biggest homers on earth....but Bruce Blitz is on another level. To suggest that Kobe is not an mvp canidate is lunacy.

[AirJordan&Magic]

I agreed with what he said about Kobe's shot jacking, but the rest of the video is nothing but an agenda......The idiot is seriously trying to convice people that Kobe is not an mvp canidate!???

As a fan of Jordan, I like his Jordan videos, but thats about it.

Maybe people reading this comment will think I'm trying to be funny, but I honestly think something is mentally wrong with him......Every great has their haters, but this guy is unbelievable. He's a lunatic.

If anyone seriously thinks he doesn't have a passionate hatred for Kobe, just watch his videos and even the stuff he writes. :oldlol:

[AirJordan&Magic]

I am the one who drove him away. He did not want to hear any of the Chamberlain cold hard facts.

:oldlol: What thread was this?

[Abraham Lincoln]

One of the many Jordan/Pippen/Kobe threads. I legitimately disputed his Jordan stance with Wilt/Russell (he did not respond) and he created his "retirement thread" within minutes.

[AirJordan&Magic]

One of the many Jordan/Pippen/Kobe threads. I legitimately disputed his Jordan stance with Wilt/Russell (he did not respond) and he created his "retirement thread" within minutes.

:oldlol: I have to see this thread....the only people he really argue with or talk crap to is Kobe homers that are like 18-20.......He doesn't try that crap with guys who have watched just as much b-ball as he did.

[Abraham Lincoln]

I think it was deleted.

[catch24]

At least he presents facts when debating. He was a great poster if you ask me (he also has pretty cool V-logs on Youtube).

His latest one discussing the hype machine behind espn (he made it earlier today...it includes LBJ): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sptky4UdJk

[Story Up]

Fact: Lakers haven't played well since the season started. Yeah they've demolished Dallas, Atlanta and Phoenix; but really, the inconsistencies and the injury bug is bugging me. Kobe has been terrific so has Pau; Artest has been good for us; but the ball movement has been disappointing.

Bynum needs to come off the bench. I want to see Pau, Odom, Artest, Bryant and Fish start (once Luke comes back).

Our bench needs help and Andrew plays with a lot more urgency/confidence when Pau is not on the floor with him.

[rfm767]

Kobe may have costed the lakers a few games. But he more than makes up for it with all the others has won for LA. Not to mention like 4 game-winners.

And most of his shellfish games have been due to bynums sleep-court-walking, fishers trademark horror shot selection, and artests little offensive contribution. The only thing that bothers me is Pau getting few touches.

[AirJordan&Magic]

At least he presents facts when debating. He was a great poster if you ask me (he also has pretty cool V-logs on Youtube).

His latest one discussing the hype machine behind espn (he made it earlier today...it includes LBJ): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sptky4UdJk

Yeah, I always said that he makes valid points and is a knowledgable b-ball fan. It is his agenda that is ridiculous.

The guy is biased. When I first saw some of his Kobe videos, I actually thought they were good and he was just being an objective fan, but the more you listen to this idiot speak, the more you realize that he is not only biased when it comes to Kobe and LeBron, but he has a lunatic-like hatred for Kobe.

Bruce Blitz and Elie Sechbach are pyschopaths......One does things that is not only homerish, but also borderline stalker (elie), the biggest Kobe homer on earth.....and the other is devoted in trashing a player's name and criticizing every little flaw. (Bruce).

Let's not forget that this is the same guy that said Scottie Pippen was the most overrated player in NBA history........I don't know if he is more of a Jordan homer or more of a Kobe hater.

[catch24]

Let's not forget that this is the same guy that said Scottie Pippen was the most overrated player in NBA history........I don't know if he is more of a Jordan homer or more of a Kobe hater.

I think he's one of the more underrated. How can the best perimeter defender of all time be overrated? Yeah, I definitely don't agree with Bruce on that.

[Roundball_Rock]

I think he's one of the more underrated. How can the best perimeter defender of all time be overrated? Yeah, I definitely don't agree with Bruce on that.

:applause:

[Diesel J]

Seriously, at what point does one realize that he's having an off night shooting wise and decides to pass more instead of chucking?

Kobe 4-21 tonight:no:

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300110013

[OneMoreSucka]

37/111 in his last 4 games.

[Diesel J]

37/111 in his last 4 games.

Brutal. Kobe actually has stretches every season like this.

[All Net]

Kobe needs to sit for a few but he refuses to do so....he needs to heal up.

[cotdt]

37/111 in his last 4 games.

Kobe's been in a shooting slump after that Houston game when Shane Battier slapped his already fractured finger. The difference with Kobe is, unlike most players, Kobe will keep on playing despite his injuries. Although Kobe should have passed it more.

[Melissa]

Kobe is out for season OR Pau Gasol is out for season.

BOTH of these things would expose kobe.

[oh the horror]

Kobe is out for season OR Pau Gasol is out for season.

BOTH of these things would expose kobe.


Honestly, im not even sure what the hell your point was here?

[chazzy]

Honestly, im not even sure what the hell your point was here?

No clue, I've only seen crap posts from "her"

[EllEffEll]

What tickles me is that Bruce Blitz's obsessive Kobe hate is only truly fueled by his love and admiration of Michael Jordan and nothing else. It drives him crazy if anyone compares anyone to MJ and right now, the player that receives that sort of comparison the most is Kobe. He props up Lebron (regardless of whether or not it is true) only to tear down the player he perceives to be the largest threat to Jordan's legacy (Kobe) and when LeBron becomes more of a threat to Jordan's legacy, he will go after LeBron (or anyone else for that matter) in the same way.

[Disaprine]

Kobe is out for season OR Pau Gasol is out for season.

BOTH of these things would expose kobe.
what??? :oldlol:

[Diesel J]

Interesting stat

Kobe is taking 24% of this teams shots. Highest in the league

[shadow]

Interesting stat

Kobe is taking 24% of this teams shots. Highest in the league


considering it's on a team with two offensively potent 7 footers, one of whom is a franchise player, and two versatile forwards both of whom can avg atleast 15ppg a game, that number is disgusting.

[sergiorodriguez]

the truth is if they hit 70% of their freethrows lakers would have won

[Diesel J]

considering it's on a team with two offensively potent 7 footers, one of whom is a franchise player, and two versatile forwards both of whom can avg atleast 15ppg a game, that number is disgusting.


yep:lol :applause: