Trade Rumor: Andrew Bynum for Chris Bosh

[1~Gibson~1]

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A Lakers source told me the team had its sights set high, as usual, and planned to target the possible acquisition of Chris Bosh when it got closer to the 3 p.m. Feb. 18 trade deadline, and the Raptors might be more likely to move their Olympian/All-Star while still entitled to compensation.




My source believes the Lakers will offer Andrew Bynum for Bosh (if they haven’t done so already) well before the deadline expires. In itself, the one-for-one swap is impossible to make. Bynum’s “base year” essentially allows L.A. to take back but half of his salary this year ($12.5M). Of course, that restriction is lifted when next year’s salary ($13.7M) activates come July 1, at which time a sign-and-trade transaction would be feasible.

I wouldnt like the idea of one of my favorites playing for the Lakers, but then again this would make their front line would be very, very soft.

[Manute for Ever!]

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I wouldnt like the idea of one of my favorites playing for the Lakers, but then again this would make their front line would be very, very soft.

BOTH teams have got to agree to the terms...

[SAKOTXA]

Get out of here... lol

It's too good to be true...

[Dresta]

Lakers would be unstoppable as long as Kobe doesn't hog the ball too much.

[wang4three]

NY Post has 1% accuracy rate.

[Lebron23]

That's the most talented team in NBA History.

Bosh is a top 5 PF in the NBA.

[White Mamba]

:roll:

[Juges8932]

I don't even like Bynum, but I'd rather keep him than Bosh. Not because Bosh isn't better, but Bynum is taller and a lot thicker and can hold it down in the paint, and he's still young.

[bagelred]

Peter Vecsey usually knows what he's talking about.....or at least he thinks he does. :lol

[Pharcyde]

Last week there was one that was Kirk or Deng and Tyrus for Bosh, then Houston giving up anyone for Bosh, now LA giving up Bynum for Bosh. Who wants to pick next?

[DukeDelonte13]

what a joke.

[west]

RuPaul+Gasoft.....:oldlol:

[Toni]

Bosh is playing out of his mind and the Raptors won 12 of 17 games since that ugly Atlanta game. There is no way he gets traded with the team rolling like this. If he doesn't resign this summer he will be sign and traded to the team of his choice.

[SAKOTXA]

I don't even like Bynum, but I'd rather keep him than Bosh. Not because Bosh isn't better, but Bynum is taller and a lot thicker and can hold it down in the paint, and he's still young.

Lol I saw him "hold it down" in the paint on Friday against a 37 year old Juwan Howard...

[ZeN]

My source believes the Lakers will offer Andrew Bynum for Bosh (if they haven’t done so already) well before the deadline expires.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[niko]

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I wouldnt like the idea of one of my favorites playing for the Lakers, but then again this would make their front line would be very, very soft.

How exactly would one defend that team though? And it also takes away two of the Laker's main weaknesses both related to Bynum, the fact he gets hurt often and his off and on effort. Have you seen Bosh lately? That toronto team is this mess of parts and they are all soft and don't play defense and they are winning largely on Bosh. I don't like this at all, it makes the Lakers better, gives them another star, makes me totally sick.

Bynum is a much better fit for the Lakers assuming he is healthy and into playing. Neither of those things is a given though.

[ZeN]

Peter Vecsey usually knows what he's talking about.....or at least he thinks he does. :lol


You must be joking.. because he has made some of the most outlandish comments and rumored about the wildest trade senarios ever.. :oldlol:

[MMM]

Lol I saw him "hold it down" in the paint on Friday against a 37 year old Juwan Howard...

yea If bosh is turlly on the table than you got to make the move. Galso has played some Center over the last 2 season plus it would present other a tremendous challenge of matching up. Another thing Bynum might have some cancer in him if that is the case LA will be smart to trade him now before everyone else starts noticing.

[GOBB]

I hope Bosh goes out West...Sixers dont need to see him anymore.

[wally_world]

Not a good move for the Lakers in terms of chemistry. Another scorer to go along Kobe and Gasol?

Good move for the Lakers in terms of dumping Bynum. I think he's overpaid. He's solid but Lakers cant really give him enough touches for him to develop into something special. Bosh can be resigned or s&t next season for pieces that fits this LA squad better.

Good move for the Raptors. Big Drew is nice alongside Bargnani, and they're getting something in return for Bosh since he's pretty much gonna walk for nothing at the end of the season.

[MMM]

Not a good move for the Lakers in terms of chemistry. Another scorer to go along Kobe and Gasol?

Good move for the Lakers in terms of dumping Bynum. I think he's overpaid. He's solid but Lakers cant really give him enough touches for him to develop into something special. Bosh can be resigned or s&t next season for pieces that fits this LA squad better.

Good move for the Raptors. Big Drew is nice alongside Bargnani, and they're getting something in return for Bosh since he's pretty much gonna walk for nothing at the end of the season.

I don't think it will hurt chemistry at all Bosh/Gasol should probably work as well as Gasol/Odom at minimum if not better.

[ZeN]

I don't think it will hurt chemistry at all Bosh/Gasol should probably work as well as Gasol/Odom at minimum if not better.


Are we already starting to underrate Bosh and what he brings to the table? :oldlol:

[SAKOTXA]

Not a good move for the Lakers in terms of chemistry. Another scorer to go along Kobe and Gasol?

Good move for the Lakers in terms of dumping Bynum. I think he's overpaid. He's solid but Lakers cant really give him enough touches for him to develop into something special. Bosh can be resigned or s&t next season for pieces that fits this LA squad better.

Good move for the Raptors. Big Drew is nice alongside Bargnani, and they're getting something in return for Bosh since he's pretty much gonna walk for nothing at the end of the season.

Bynum averages only 5 less shots than Bosh in 5 less minutes of playing time, don't make it sound like Bynum is this defensive minded center... Bosh could still take his 16 shots per game, if Kobe shot less ( which he would ).

[MMM]

Are we already starting to underrate Bosh and what he brings to the table? :oldlol:

bot underrating Bosh at all i'm just saying at its worse Bosh/Gasol is equal to Bosh/Odom at its best. Obviously I think Bosh and Gasol dup would be pretty tough to stop in fact i mention that in an earlier post.

[Qwyjibo]

Peter Vescey.


Come on people, no need to read/speculate beyond that.

[ZeN]

Peter Vescey.


Come on people, no need to read/speculate beyond that.


Dat.


Hes been making stuff up for YEARS...:ohwell:

[Skywalker]

Why are all these Bosh rumors coming out now? They've won 8 of 9. They planned to use these rumors as we moved closer to the deadline and Toronto didn't improve but they have so stay awayyy from CB4.

[ZeN]

In typical Vecsey fashion, he "reports" on a rumored trade that cannot work due to salary restrictions. Rather than offer a solution, say providing the names of players the Lakers could throw into the deal to make it work, Vecsey just drops the issue.

If Toronto is interested in an overpaid center who hates playing defense, then the deal makes sense. Even if the Raptors put Bosh on the market, I'm not sure they'll get much more than Bynum in return. He's going to sign with the Knicks or Heat in the off-season.
:oldlol:

[TMAC-RAPTORS]

Good trade if Bosh told BC that he plans on leaving Toronto. Bad move if he wants to stay.

[big baller]

I doubt this is true, but it would be awesome

Fisher
Kobe
Artest/Odom
Gasol
Bosh

:eek:

[K-Mart]

I hope Bosh goes out West...Sixers dont need to see him anymore.

:lol Please stay in Toronto Bosh

[ZeN]

I doubt this is true, but it would be awesome

Fisher
Kobe
Artest/Odom
Gasol
Bosh

:eek:


Thats called an unfair advantage.. :oldlol:

[D-Rose]

Hell yeah, give me Bosh over Bynum anyday. Bosh has gotten tougher and gained muscle this year. Bynum is the real softie fellas have you seen him rebounding?

[beasted86]

NY Post has 1% accuracy rate.
This... they are really one of the worst out, if not the worst.

[AznTacoLover]

Man that'd be crazy if it ever happens. :wtf:

[D-Rose]

Lakers get: Bosh, Marcus Banks, Sonny Weems

Raptors get: Bynum, Farmar, Vujacic, Morrison

[ZeN]

Lakers get: Bosh, Marcus Banks, Sonny Weems

Raptors get: Bynum, Farmar, Vujacic, Morrison
stop getting your hopes up man..:oldlol:

[D-Rose]

stop getting your hopes up man..:oldlol:
Lol I'm like 98% sure it won't happen but wanna hope! If only Bynum had his early season form his value would be much higher.

[ZeN]

Lol I'm like 98% sure it won't happen but wanna hope! If only Bynum had his early season form his value would be much higher.


Aint that the truth.. :roll:

[TMAC-RAPTORS]

Hell yeah, give me Bosh over Bynum anyday. Bosh has gotten tougher and gained muscle this year. Bynum is the real softie fellas have you seen him rebounding?

I'm happy that someone noticed other than Raptor fans that Bosh ain't soft anymore.

[HylianNightmare]

why would the lakers lose their young developing center for a one year rental on another PF?

[beasted86]

why would the lakers lose their young developing center for a one year rental on another PF?
Because Bosh overall > Bynum, Gasol overall > Bynum. Gasol as a C > Bynum.

That's why.

[RaininThrees]

Well, considering how everyone considers this retarded (and how it is apparently nearly impossible to complete because of Bynums base year compensation issue - http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q75), how about we stop talking about it.

[LA_Showtime]

Bynum averages only 5 less shots than Bosh in 5 less minutes of playing time, don't make it sound like Bynum is this defensive minded center... Bosh could still take his 16 shots per game, if Kobe shot less ( which he would ).

I seriously doubt he would. "I eat first." - Kobe Bryant

[All Net]

why would the lakers lose their young developing center for a one year rental on another PF?

They wouldn't thats the thing.

[LA_Showtime]

After we trade for Chris Bosh, we can target Chris Paul and Deron Williams. I know Vescey's sources, and they are coming from his ass, because anyone who knows Vescey's reputation knows that he speaks from his ass.

I'd hate to see Bynum go, but if this happened... Wow. What's really intriguing is that Gasol/Bosh/Odom could definitely play together because Bosh spreads the floor.

[amfirst]

That would be insane, even though Bynums potential will be greater than Bosh, but right now Bosh is slightly better than Bynum.

[Mr Clutch Melo]

That would be insane, even though Bynums potential will be greater than Bosh, but right now Bosh is slightly better than Bynum.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Slightly?

[browntown]

That would be insane, even though Bynums potential will be greater than Bosh, but right now Bosh is slightly better than Bynum.

LOL at Bynum having more potential then Bosh.

[Twiens]

Guaranteed title if that went down :roll:

[sergiorodriguez]

LOL at Bynum having more potential then Bosh.
Bosh has peaked. If Bynum starts hitting the boards harder, focusing on D, and learns to pass, all things that are easily worked on and improved, he can become a championship caliber first option.

Bosh is at best a number 2 option. He is not going to get much better

[shadow]

in other new Mitch Kupchak invented a time machine and went back to 1984 and managed to trade sasha v & adam morrison for some rookie named michael jordan.

[macmac]

Bosh has peaked. If Bynum starts hitting the boards harder, focusing on D, and learns to pass, all things that are easily worked on and improved, he can become a championship caliber first option.

Bosh is at best a number 2 option. He is not going to get much better

Bosh is a number 2 option on a championship team, not your average run of the mill second option....

And there's no way Bynum will become a championship caliber first option, that makes absolutely no sense and reeks of homerism

[RaceBannana]

I hope it happens(somehow).... I know its impossible because Bynums BYC situation.

Bynum would unleash his potential playing with the raptors....

[browntown]

Bosh has peaked. If Bynum starts hitting the boards harder, focusing on D, and learns to pass, all things that are easily worked on and improved, he can become a championship caliber first option.

Bosh is at best a number 2 option. He is not going to get much better

Right!!! and Bynum will be? Some people never seem to amaze me .

[MMM]

Bosh has peaked. If Bynum starts hitting the boards harder, focusing on D, and learns to pass, all things that are easily worked on and improved, he can become a championship caliber first option.

Bosh is at best a number 2 option. He is not going to get much better


I know he is still young but honestly I think that ship has sailed not necessarily because of his tallent/potential or anything from that nature but more to do with the fact that the current trends are very Wing orientated at the moment. Elite big men get 2nd hand treatment as offensive options in today's nba.

[beasted86]

Bosh is a number 2 option on a championship team, not your average run of the mill second option....

And there's no way Bynum will become a championship caliber first option, that makes absolutely no sense and reeks of homerism
No, no.... sergiorodriguez is one of the most level headed posters with award worthy insight :rolleyes:

[D-Rose]

I think it's safe to say Bosh will be better than Bynum. Bosh hasn't hit his prime yet. Bynum has yet to prove he's a 3rd option on a Championship team. Does anyone think Bynum can carry a team to even 40 wins like Bosh has?

[sergiorodriguez]

Right!!! and Bynum will be? Some people never seem to amaze me .
Bynum has much higher potential to be than Bosh does. Bosh has peaked. Bynum is 22, 7'1, 285 and already has the best post moves of any young big man in the league. If the next few off seasons he instead focuses on defense and rebounding, he will become a superstar. Bynum shoots much higher percentage shots than Bosh does. Bynum has potential to be like Tim Duncan who can hit freethrows if he pans out.


A rebuilding team like the Raptors would rather build around the 7'1 22 year old offensive beast Bynum than career second option CB4

[sergiorodriguez]

I think it's safe to say Bosh will be better than Bynum. Bosh hasn't hit his prime yet. Bynum has yet to prove he's a 3rd option on a Championship team. Does anyone think Bynum can carry a team to even 40 wins like Bosh has?
In the east where he's getting fed touches as the first option? Definately.

[browntown]

Bynum has much higher potential to be than Bosh does. Bosh has peaked. Bynum is 22, 7'1, 285 and already has the best post moves of any young big man in the league. If the next few off seasons he instead focuses on defense and rebounding, he will become a superstar. Bynum shoots much higher percentage shots than Bosh does. Bynum has potential to be like Tim Duncan who can hit freethrows if he pans out.


A rebuilding team like the Raptors would rather build around the 7'1 22 year old offensive beast Bynum than career second option CB4

Your acting like Bosh is 35 years old vet! Bosh hasn't truly peaked either, Bosh is still young. While Bynum will never become a super star. An all star yes but not a super star.

[D-Rose]

In the east where he's getting fed touches as the first option? Definately.
You do realize once he's the first option he's going to get defensively treated as the first option. I don't know if you've noticed but he rarely passes out of a double team and chucks up a hook shot. He's NOT a #1 option.

[dab0yech0]

Offensively it would be a nice acquisition but defensively that could be the softest front line in NBA history.

[RoTM]

Video game roster, Lakers wouldnt spend 70million/yr on 3 guys anyway even if they had the option.

[D-Rose]

Offensively it would be a nice acquisition but defensively that could be the softest front line in NBA history.
Clearly you don't know what you're talking about. Gasol already washed out the soft stereotype last year and I've watched enough Bosh to tell you he isn't softer than Bynum.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Offensively it would be a nice acquisition but defensively that could be the softest front line in NBA history.

no that was pau & odom 2 years back...remember the finals against celtics

[raptorfan_dr07]

Clearly you don't know what you're talking about. Gasol already washed out the soft stereotype last year and I've watched enough Bosh to tell you he isn't softer than Bynum.

Thank you, I was about to say the exact same thing. "Soft" Bosh doesn't let 40 year old Juwan Howard muscle him around.

[sergiorodriguez]

Your acting like Bosh is 35 years old vet! Bosh hasn't truly peaked either, Bosh is still young. While Bynum will never become a super star. An all star yes but not a super star.
Bosh is not young, he's like 27. His game is not suddenly magically going to dramatically improve.

[RaininThrees]

Bosh is not young, he's like 27. His game is not suddenly magically going to dramatically improve.

Bosh is 25, going on 26. He may seem older, because he has been in the league since he was 18.

Again, this trade can't happen, so why are we talking about it?

[D-Rose]

Bosh is 25, going on 26. He may seem older, because he has been in the league since he was 18.

Again, this trade can't happen, so why are we talking about it?
It can happen with fillers but not 1 for 1 swap.

[beasted86]

Bosh is not young, he's like 27.
Speaks volumes to how much this guy actually knows about Bosh

[RaininThrees]

It can happen with fillers but not 1 for 1 swap.

More than fillers. now, I'm fuzzy on the BYC stuff, but due to his situation, I believe that Bynum's contract is only worth 50% (or less?) of its value in any trade situation. So, you'd be trying to trade a $6M player for a $15M player. You need $9M in "filler".

[sergiorodriguez]

Speaks volumes to how much this guy actually knows about Bosh
25 is not a difference, again his game is not going to dramatically improve, hes not all of a sudden going to stop being a soft jump shooter and learn some strong post moves.

[RaininThrees]

25 is not a difference, again his game is not going to dramatically improve, hes not all of a sudden going to stop being a soft jump shooter and learn some strong post moves.

Sigh.

[qrich]

25 is not a difference, again his game is not going to dramatically improve, hes not all of a sudden going to stop being a soft jump shooter and learn some strong post moves.

Really think your underrating Bosh, but regardless, just because he is 25, you can't say that he won't improve. Chris Kaman, in his 7th season and is now 27 doubled his career PPG averages and is playing way better than he ever has/had.

[RoTM]

Bosh is arguably as good if not better then Gasol, whom everyone agrees is more important to the Lakers then Bynum. So why the Bosh hate? Because all Laker players are overrated by their fans?
If the Lakers had Bosh they could flip Odom for someone like Haywood/Okeafor to give them all the defense Bynum is capable of and still have easily a better team, get real. Some guys have all the potential to be a number one guy like for instance Jamal Crawford they just fall short, Bynum is going to be one of those guys.

[D-Rose]

More than fillers. now, I'm fuzzy on the BYC stuff, but due to his situation, I believe that Bynum's contract is only worth 50% (or less?) of its value in any trade situation. So, you'd be trying to trade a $6M player for a $15M player. You need $9M in "filler".
I worked it on trade machine and this one works

Bynum, Farmar, Vujacic, Morrison for Bosh, Banks, Weems.

[RaininThrees]

25 is not a difference, again his game is not going to dramatically improve, hes not all of a sudden going to stop being a soft jump shooter and learn some strong post moves.

http://i46.tinypic.com/zu4fgp.jpg

More than half of Bosh's shots come from directly at the basket, he's in the top 10 in FTA per game, top 10 in RPG, top 10 in Off. RPG.

Old stereotypes don't apply anymore.

[raptorfan_dr07]

Speaks volumes to how much this guy actually knows about Bosh

Every single one of his posts speaks volumes to how much he actually knows about basketball. Little to none.

[sergiorodriguez]

http://i46.tinypic.com/zu4fgp.jpg

More than half of Bosh's shots come from directly at the basket, he's in the top 10 in FTA per game, top 10 in RPG, top 10 in Off. RPG.

Old stereotypes don't apply anymore.
those in the paint shots come from putbacks from boards. what moves does Bosh even have?

If he's so great why cant he make the raptors have a better record in a bad conference? He has bargnani.

Pau Gasol in contrast lead a team of role players to 50 wins in the west

[plat1numX]

those in the paint shots come from putbacks from boards. what moves does Bosh even have?

If he's so great why cant he make the raptors have a better record in a bad conference? He has bargnani.

Pau Gasol in contrast lead a team of role players to 50 wins in the west

You dont watch bosh play do you

[chazzy]

This writer certainly got a ton of hits for this one..

Next

[JohnnySic]

Put Bynum on the Raptors where he wont have other stars to play off of and everyone will realize that the hype was bs. He's a good young player, nothing more.

[sergiorodriguez]

You dont watch bosh play do you
when i do i see a soft jumpshooter who's go to move is pumpfaking and then jumping into his opponent and getting freethrows from 18 feet out.

[LA_Showtime]

Bosh and Bynum are not finished products. They are both young, work hard, and play in a weak era of big men. To say that either player will or will not be a superstar is ridiculous.

[nbastatus]

Please make it happen.

[plat1numX]

when i do i see a soft jumpshooter who's go to move is pumpfaking and then jumping into his opponent and getting freethrows from 18 feet out.

I dont think i have ever seen bosh jump into an opponent to get a foul :roll:

[Qwyjibo]

I dont think i have ever seen bosh jump into an opponent to get a foul :roll:
Yea, me neither. Maybe twice this year? I can't even remember. And we watch nearly every single Raptors game.

But yea, that guy is a joke account though. Everyone knows it. Someone is just dicking around and stirring up crap posting the most ridiculous stuff.

[KingLeBronJames]

This would make the Shaq and Bosh beef more interesting if Bosh gets traded to the Lakers.

[Lakers13]

If this has any truth to it, Do it Mitch, add the fillers and make it happen.

[Pharcyde]

If this has any truth to it, Do it Mitch, add the fillers and make it happen.
There isn't.

[Kobe4life]

i rememeber phil jackson got fined one time for saying something about liking bosh in his team..and i dont think phil even likes bynum as a player as well. so im pretty sure the lakers would do this trade in a heartbeat..

[All Net]

Put Bynum on the Raptors where he wont have other stars to play off of and everyone will realize that the hype was bs. He's a good young player, nothing more.

Bynum on the Raptors would be an instant 22 and 10 and 2 blocks. Not much doubt about that.

[D-Rose]

Bynum on the Raptors would be an instant 22 and 10 and 2 blocks. Not much doubt about that.
:oldlol:

No it wouldn't. He's a bad passer from the post and teams would just double him every time.

People don't realize becoming the #1 option doesn't automatically inflate your stats, he will get #1 option defensive attention.

18/10 more like it.

[lpublic_enemyl]

:oldlol:

No it wouldn't. He's a bad passer from the post and teams would just double him every time.

People don't realize becoming the #1 option doesn't automatically inflate your stats, he will get #1 option defensive attention.

18/10 more like it.
don't worry about it chris bosh isn't going anywhere right now

[Skywalker]

It's apparent not many Americans can formulate a scouting report on Chris Bosh :roll:

stop talking about him you morons, at least watch ONE game first, god dammit...

[qrich]

Bynum on the Raptors would be an instant 22 and 10 and 2 blocks. Not much doubt about that.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[oh the horror]

This is just ridiculous. Where do these men get their sources from? They'd be the fu*king dream team if this ever went down.

[Thom.Yorke]

as much potential bynum has i would trade him right now.

he doesn't have the heart to play hard everynight and hardly shows up. shaq still out plays him.

gasol was the one that cover dwight good in the finals.

i hate to see him go as he was a long term investment buts he mentally weak bad.

[oh the horror]

Yeah, as far as Bynum goes, im hoping he someone mentally matures as time goes on, because as of right now, he is a big fu*king kid. Granted he is 22 years old, but still, im not sure if you can TEACH things that he lacks mentally. Sometimes people are just born with a winner's attitude.

[MaxFly]

Fisher
Bryant
Artest
Bosh
Gasol

With Odom off the bench...

Yeah... no, the league won't let that happen.

[LA.MJ&KB#1]

I trust Mitch to do the right thing...

I like Bynum and Bosh and who wouldn't want them on their TEAM. Thats all that matter folks.

BUT I don't like Sasha sorry ass...

[Pinkhearts]

Well Lakers won last season without Bynum and having a Gasol-Odom frontline. Bosh can't be softer than that. Should be good enough to win.

[YAWN]

Fisher
Bryant
Artest
Bosh
Gasol

With Odom off the bench...

Yeah... no, the league won't let that happen.

you forgot about the morrison, farmar, +picks for chris paul trade thats going down too

[monkeypox]

I can imagine how this rumor came about.

Peter Vescey: (To Self) Damn I need an article soon, but I spent all weekend huffing glue again. Let's see what the old Peter Vescey rumor generator comes up with. Ok... highest profile free agent... Chris Bosh... nice. Now think... NBA team that generates the most clicks... Lakers! Done! Crap, I'm still supposed to be a journalist though, I'd better get a source.

*Picks up phone* Riiing

Lakers Equipment Manager: Hello, this is Lakers equipment man-

Peter Vescey: Hey hey hey! This is Pete, how's my favorite insider?

L: Oh... hey. Mr. Vescey, like I told you I just handle the towels I can't...

P: Don't sell yourself short man. Those players rub those towels all over there naked bodies, you can't get more insider than that. So what you got for me?

L: Well, we still haven't figured out which player is the one with the fungus inf-

P: No no no, I'm talking about trades and stuff man. Or guns... anyone leave guns in their towels or something?

L: Umm... one of them left like half a subway sandwich in a towel last week.

P: Ok nevermind. So you heard that Chris Bosh is available right?

L: Yeah?

P: So I imagine the Lakers would be interested right?

L: I guess...

P: So they would... try to offer... maybe...

L: ...

P: Like a big guy with a similar contract...

L: ...

P: Name rhymes with Dandrew Guynum?

L: Andrew Bynum?

P: What? They've offered Bynum for Bosh?!

L: No... NO! I didn't say that!

P: Don't worry about it I got your back, if I put a question mark at the end no one can trace it back.

L: But I could lose my jo-

P: Thanks man, I'll buy you a steak the next time I'm in town.

*Click*

[LA_Showtime]

Becoming a sports writer for the NYPOST is a fallback option. Apparently they don't care if the information is BS as long as they get their readers attention.

[RaceBannana]

I can imagine how this rumor came about.

Peter Vescey: (To Self) Damn I need an article soon, but I spent all weekend huffing glue again. Let's see what the old Peter Vescey rumor generator comes up with. Ok... highest profile free agent... Chris Bosh... nice. Now think... NBA team that generates the most clicks... Lakers! Done! Crap, I'm still supposed to be a journalist though, I'd better get a source.

*Picks up phone* Riiing

Lakers Equipment Manager: Hello, this is Lakers equipment man-

Peter Vescey: Hey hey hey! This is Pete, how's my favorite insider?

L: Oh... hey. Mr. Vescey, like I told you I just handle the towels I can't...

P: Don't sell yourself short man. Those players rub those towels all over there naked bodies, you can't get more insider than that. So what you got for me?

L: Well, we still haven't figured out which player is the one with the fungus inf-

P: No no no, I'm talking about trades and stuff man. Or guns... anyone leave guns in their towels or something?

L: Umm... one of them left like half a subway sandwich in a towel last week.

P: Ok nevermind. So you heard that Chris Bosh is available right?

L: Yeah?

P: So I imagine the Lakers would be interested right?

L: I guess...

P: So they would... try to offer... maybe...

L: ...

P: Like a big guy with a similar contract...

L: ...

P: Name rhymes with Dandrew Guynum?

L: Andrew Bynum?

P: What? They've offered Bynum for Bosh?!

L: No... NO! I didn't say that!

P: Don't worry about it I got your back, if I put a question mark at the end no one can trace it back.

L: But I could lose my jo-

P: Thanks man, I'll buy you a steak the next time I'm in town.

*Click*

:lol
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[lakerfreak]

I hope this doesn't happen.

Bosh and Gasol? two soft guys? I can't see this happening and if it did I'd probably protest games for a while. I can't see it working, let alone happening. I like Bosh, but Bynum is a big man. We need him since he's a true center.

[LA_Showtime]

I hope this doesn't happen.

Bosh and Gasol? two soft guys? I can't see this happening and if it did I'd probably protest games for a while. I can't see it working, let alone happening. I like Bosh, but Bynum is a big man. We need him since he's a true center.

Bynum's one of my favorite players, but if the Lakers have a shot at getting Chris Bosh then they should definitely go for it. I guess it really depends on the terms of the deal. If the Lakers are sacraficing depth in order to get Bosh then I say no. But Bosh + filler for Bynum + filler? Hell yes.

[lakerfreak]

I can imagine how this rumor came about.

Peter Vescey: (To Self) Damn I need an article soon, but I spent all weekend huffing glue again. Let's see what the old Peter Vescey rumor generator comes up with. Ok... highest profile free agent... Chris Bosh... nice. Now think... NBA team that generates the most clicks... Lakers! Done! Crap, I'm still supposed to be a journalist though, I'd better get a source.

*Picks up phone* Riiing

Lakers Equipment Manager: Hello, this is Lakers equipment man-

Peter Vescey: Hey hey hey! This is Pete, how's my favorite insider?

L: Oh... hey. Mr. Vescey, like I told you I just handle the towels I can't...

P: Don't sell yourself short man. Those players rub those towels all over there naked bodies, you can't get more insider than that. So what you got for me?

L: Well, we still haven't figured out which player is the one with the fungus inf-

P: No no no, I'm talking about trades and stuff man. Or guns... anyone leave guns in their towels or something?

L: Umm... one of them left like half a subway sandwich in a towel last week.

P: Ok nevermind. So you heard that Chris Bosh is available right?

L: Yeah?

P: So I imagine the Lakers would be interested right?

L: I guess...

P: So they would... try to offer... maybe...

L: ...

P: Like a big guy with a similar contract...

L: ...

P: Name rhymes with Dandrew Guynum?

L: Andrew Bynum?

P: What? They've offered Bynum for Bosh?!

L: No... NO! I didn't say that!

P: Don't worry about it I got your back, if I put a question mark at the end no one can trace it back.

L: But I could lose my jo-

P: Thanks man, I'll buy you a steak the next time I'm in town.

*Click*

lmaooooo

thats great

[dyna]

What about Bynum for Al Jefferson??

:confusedshrug:

[danumber88]

Wow, I don't like this for Lakers simply cause' they are gonna dominante the entire leauge and it would be too much to handle. Imagine a Gasol / Bosh frontcourt, just forget about Kobe. With Gasol's passing skills and Bosh's good hands, it would be easy baskets for both of them. Also, Bosh and Gasol would be nice if Kobe is not feeling it on a certain night. Its just too good to be true for lakers. :oldlol:

[1~Gibson~1]

when i do i see a soft jumpshooter who's go to move is pumpfaking and then jumping into his opponent and getting freethrows from 18 feet out.did you see his game winner shot against Dalembert and the 6ers?? Bosh has a nice face to the basket game, and a nice midrange jumper for a big man. Occasionally, he can also step outside and hit the long range jumper.

And i didnt know the guy that wrote the article had little credibility :lol
guess i wont be posting via him anytime soon

[1~Gibson~1]

Wow, I don't like this for Lakers simply cause' they are gonna dominante the entire leauge and it would be too much to handle. Imagine a Gasol / Bosh frontcourt, just forget about Kobe. With Gasol's passing skills and Bosh's good hands, it would be easy baskets for both of them. Also, Bosh and Gasol would be nice if Kobe is not feeling it on a certain night. Its just too good to be true for lakers. :oldlol:
Offensively, they'll be good.......but what about a Pau Gasol/Chris Bosh frontline??

They wont do too good vs. teams with physical bigs, dont you think? :ohwell:

[D-Rose]

Offensively, they'll be good.......but what about a Pau Gasol/Chris Bosh frontline??

They wont do too good vs. teams with physical bigs, dont you think? :ohwell:
I highly doubt that. Gasol has shown he can guard a Dwight. Gasol and Bosh have both gotten stronger and "bigger" and are incorrectly labeled soft.

Bosh had 31/13 today vs. Perk?

[1~Gibson~1]

I highly doubt that. Gasol has shown he can guard a Dwight. Gasol and Bosh have both gotten stronger and "bigger" and are incorrectly labeled soft.

Bosh had 31/13 today vs. Perk?Gasol didnt guard Dwight one on one. Guarding Dwight was a team effort. Dbl teams, zones, etc. Im not saying it'll be a bad frontline, but if a trade of this sort was to go down your interior defense would be interesting to watch.

it could suck or it could wind up being solid/good. ya never know.

[D-Rose]

Gasol didnt guard Dwight one on one. Guarding Dwight was a team effort. Dbl teams, zones, etc.
There was a stat from the Finals I recall that Gasol faced Dwight 40 odd times on 1 on 1 situations. Dwight made like 1 or 2 FGs.

Gasol is not soft, look at his rebounding numbers in that recent stretch.

[SoCalMike]

Gasol didnt guard Dwight one on one. Guarding Dwight was a team effort. Dbl teams, zones, etc.

You answered your own question... LMAO... There are very few teams in the league (if any) that don't double down on Dwight... why pick on this individual situation? :oldlol:



:pimp:

[1~Gibson~1]

You answered your own question... LMAO... There are very few teams in the league (if any) that don't double down on Dwight... why pick on this individual situation? :oldlol:



:pimp:
because im not talking about JUST Dwight. I mean, Dwight and every other team with physical frontlines. Dwight Howard was just an example.

[D-Rose]

because im not talking about JUST Dwight. I mean, Dwight and every other team with physical frontlines. Dwight Howard was just an example.
Bosh/Gasol is better than any WC frontline.

Orlando they can handle. Boston, Bosh can take Perk. Cavs, Gasol/Bosh is too much athleticism.

[1~Gibson~1]

Bosh/Gasol is better than any WC frontline.

Orlando they can handle. Boston, Bosh can take Perk. Cavs, Gasol/Bosh is too much athleticism.
Offensively they are. But what about when they're on defense??

IMO they wont be physical enough on defense to win a championship. Offensively the Lakers would be absolute monsters though.

[D-Rose]

Offensively they are. But what about when they're on defense??

IMO they wont be physical enough on defense to win a championship. Offensively the Lakers would be absolute monsters though.
I just disagree, Bosh is a stronger and more aggressive player this year.

08-09 Gasol already proved he can match up with anyone. Gasol played more Center than Bynum in the title run.

Two very incorrect stereotypes.

[1~Gibson~1]

I just disagree, Bosh is a stronger and more aggressive player this year.

08-09 Gasol already proved he can match anyone on offense. Gasol played more Center than Bynum in the title run.

Two very incorrect stereotypes.
ok. whatever man :oldlol:

[playtetris]

Bynum has potential to be like Tim Duncan who can hit freethrows if he pans out.


:wtf:

talk to me when bynum plays championship calibre d like duncan. comparing bynum to duncan is at best insulting, at worst completely brain dead.

[D-Rose]

ok. whatever man :oldlol:
You don't watch games or anything so that's all you can say.

[cotdt]

:wtf:

talk to me when bynum plays championship calibre d like duncan. comparing bynum to duncan is at best insulting, at worst completely brain dead.

Duncan is a poor defender this season. The Spurs are not a good defensive team this season.

[lpublic_enemyl]

You don't watch games or anything so that's all you can say.
bosh isn't leaving toronto until the off-season and even that is a maybe

[browntown]

25 is not a difference, again his game is not going to dramatically improve, hes not all of a sudden going to stop being a soft jump shooter and learn some strong post moves.

Players hit there true potential when their around 28/29 years old, man your such a a humor, trying to prove to me that a third option on any team, would be a potential super star. I guess that worked out well for Al Jefferson. He has great post moves, he can rebound the ball right. Next time make sense when you post.

[browntown]

Duncan is a poor defender this season. The Spurs are not a good defensive team this season.

He's old he's not laterally quick.

[poido123]

Duncan is a poor defender this season. The Spurs are not a good defensive team this season.

Gone from a good defender to average, but certainly not poor...We are not talking Ben Gordon here...

[crisoner]

Maybe this is a Zen move message to Bynum?

[KB8tHeGrEaT24]

This will n probably happen... Idk if its a good thing though gasol n bosh is like having gasol n odom like last years playoffs ...

though bosh is better then odom n we will still have odom coming off the bench but we will have no true center..

For the likes of boston and orlando and cleveland ... san antonio come to mind all these teams .... Idk about this if it does go thru... LAKERS!!!! :pimp: :banana:

[ZeN]

Maybe this is a Zen move message to Bynum?
No, I am not making any sort of 'move'.

[ZeN]

:wtf:

talk to me when bynum plays championship calibre d like duncan. comparing bynum to duncan is at best insulting, at worst completely brain dead.


It is an insult to Timmy.. cause he was great right off the bat.. one of the most mature rookies to ever play.

[cotdt]

Guide to the Bynum-Bosh Rumors:

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2010/1/11/1244964/a-beginners-guide-to-the-bynum

[oh the horror]

So basically Peter Vescey is full of complete sh*t.

[thejumpa]

So.....is there ANY truth to this rumor? I mean, I read that article but all it really says it the deal makes sense...not that theres any truth to it. I'm not sure if I can take LA getting another young, legit big man.

[cotdt]

So.....is there ANY truth to this rumor? I mean, I read that article but all it really says it the deal makes sense...not that theres any truth to it. I'm not sure if I can take LA getting another young, legit big man.

No clue, but if both teams wanted to make the trade, it can technically happen. Lakers save money this season but would have to sign Bosh to a max contract (otherwise what is the point of the trade?) which means $6-8 million more per year next seasons.

Toronto has no center (Bargnani not a real center) so Bynum is someone they need. Bosh is likely to walk away from Toronto this season to be on a championship contender, so it's in Toronto's best interests to get something for Bosh rather than nothing. Lakers can offer something that Toronto wants. A real center, and expirers in Farmar and Morrison. They might actually keep Farmar, I don't know.

[thejumpa]

No clue, but if both teams wanted to make the trade, it can technically happen. Lakers save money this season but would have to sign Bosh to a max contract (otherwise what is the point of the trade?) which means $6-8 million more per year next seasons.

Toronto has no center (Bargnani not a real center) so Bynum is someone they need. Bosh is likely to walk away from Toronto this season to be on a championship contender, so it's in Toronto's best interests to get something for Bosh rather than nothing. Lakers can offer something that Toronto wants. A real center, and expirers in Farmar and Morrison. They might actually keep Farmar, I don't know.

Interesting. Talk about shaking up the basketball world. So you think it's going to come down to LA,Cle(depending on what LeBron does of course), and say.....Miami? maybe NJ or NY if you want to completely start over. I know those teams will have a little bit of cash to play with.

[lilgodfather1]

I am a Laker hater as most know, well not hater perse just hate the fans. But this is a stupid move from my view. A Bosh, Gasol front court looks good, on paper. But off of paper lets look at the teams that they would most likely be playing in the finals. Cleveland (Shaq), Orlando (Dwight), Boston (Sheed/KG). With Gasol and Bosh to man the PF/C position those three teams would absolutely destroy the Lakers front line offensively, and IMO defensively those three teams have the players to match up with whichever player is the four man, whether it be Varajao, Garnett, or Shard.

To me Bosh and Gasol seem very redundant, almost the exact same player with the difference being one is a first option while the other is a second. Trading Bynum for Bosh is a bad move IMO because even if they played really well together neither can bring the toughness that Bynum does.

[ZeN]

[QUOTE]

[bokes15]

Yeah, there's no real incentive for BC to do it unless Bosh were to flat out tell him "i'm leaving."

[oh the horror]

Okay so if im getting this correctly, even if they traded Bosh for Bynum...they'd STILL have to try and re-sign Bosh after the season for money they dont have....correct?

[hayden695]

How do all of you people say automatically that Bosh will leave? He has said he likes Toronto but just wants them to try and be competitive, which they have tried.

I am actually down for this trade because in order for us to be successful we need to get rid of either Bosh or Bargs, and acquire a real c.

[ZeN]

Okay so if im getting this correctly, even if they traded Bosh for Bynum...they'd STILL have to try and re-sign Bosh after the season for money they dont have....correct?


yeah really its like a conflicted fantasy. I would be a stellar move for half a season.. and then you cant resign him and thus loose the financial flexibility you had with Bynum. I really doesnt make sense for the Lakers as funny as that may sound.

[oh the horror]

yeah really its like a conflicted fantasy. I would be a stellar move for half a season.. and then you cant resign him and thus loose the financial flexibility you had with Bynum. I really doesnt make sense for the Lakers as funny as that may sound.


If thats the case, then it would be an awful trade. They must be truly unhappy with Bynum if they're even considering this.


But....it would be fun to watch for half a season though. :applause:

[D-Rose]

Use your brains fellas, please.

If Bosh was traded to LA he would NOT opt out this summer and get a 3 yr extension as well.

[TryToBeUnbias]

Okay so if im getting this correctly, even if they traded Bosh for Bynum...they'd STILL have to try and re-sign Bosh after the season for money they dont have....correct?
if thats the case then this isnt a good move

[oh the horror]

Use your brains fellas, please.

If Bosh was traded to LA he would NOT opt out this summer and get a 3 yr extension as well.


How much does that extension cost though?

[shok]

Okay so if im getting this correctly, even if they traded Bosh for Bynum...they'd STILL have to try and re-sign Bosh after the season for money they dont have....correct?

Although the Lakers are over the cap, Bosh would retain his Bird Rights, which would make LAL eligible to re-sign their own player to a maximum contract for up to 6 years. Bosh would retain his bird rights because he has been with TOR for at least 3 consecutive years.

Although the above scenario would work, LAL will have to pay $1 for $1 spent over the salary cap. That would be quite the expense.

[ZeN]

Use your brains fellas, please.

If Bosh was traded to LA he would NOT opt out this summer and get a 3 yr extension as well.


The problem with comments like this is that people act as if Buss isnt already pushing it, when it comes to the money he shells. Lakers have the highest payroll in the L and he has to pay 20+ mil in luxury tax alone. Its illogical to say 'oh but hes rich and hes making a ton of cash off the Lakers' because hes still a business man who's bottom line is getting paid.

Its true that he would sign an extension.. but Buss has to sign off on it first, which isn't necessarily a given.

[D-Rose]

How much does that extension cost though?
He'd probably get an extension just like Gasol got. 3 years 60 million.

[D-Rose]

The problem with comments like this is that people act as if Buss isnt already pushing it, when it comes to the money he shells. Lakers have the highest payroll in the L and he has to pay 20+ mil in luxury tax alone. Its illogical to say 'oh but hes rich and hes making a ton of cash off the Lakers' because hes still a business man who's bottom line is getting paid.

Its true that he would sign an extension.. but Buss has to sign off on it first, which isn't necessarily a given.
If you're paying similar money for Andrew Bynum for those years, why not have a much better player making only a bit mroe money on your roster?

Not to mention the Lakers will have some ugly contracts gone soon, Fisher and Morrison this yr. Sasha the next.

[ZeN]

He'd probably get an extension just like Gasol got. 3 years 60 million.


So thats about 8 mill more a year than Bynum.. PLUS 8 more mill in luxury tax.. making it a totall of 16 more than Drew per year. :ohwell:

[ZeN]

If you're paying similar money for Andrew Bynum for those years, why not have a much better player making only a bit mroe money on your roster?


They are not similar in money numbers, particularly if you are looking at LuxTax.




Not to mention the Lakers will have some ugly contracts gone soon, Fisher and Morrison this yr. Sasha the next.

Fisher will only take off 5mil off the books. True Morrison will be gone, but under your deal he would probably be included in the swap to match salaries, since Bynum is a BYC player. And Sasha will still be taking up 5 mil for a year which is considerable.

Plus with both Farmar and Fisher being free agents and even Shannon to a certain extent (players option) The Lakers will be forced to sign one of those two, or scavenger for a point guards, both options that would have the Lakers spending additional cash.

[lilgodfather1]

Although the Lakers are over the cap, Bosh would retain his Bird Rights, which would make LAL eligible to re-sign their own player to a maximum contract for up to 6 years. Bosh would retain his bird rights because he has been with TOR for at least 3 consecutive years.

Although the above scenario would work, LAL will have to pay $1 for $1 spent over the salary cap. That would be quite the expense.
Bosh would end up costing the Lakers about 33 million dollars if you account for the luxury tax, that and i'm sure the Lakers will resign Farmar and Morrison, each of whicch will probobally cost them at least 4-5 million each without the luxury tax, so about 20 million combined, plus they would have to resign Fisher, again for around 4-5 million and again will cost about 10 million. So by adding Bosh to the books the Lakers wouldnt just be adding 6 million (approximate difference between Bynums and Boshs upgraded contract including luxury tax). They would also be adding about 30 million dollars which would be about 66 million dollars. The Lakers are far over the cap, in fact with Bosh, Gasol and Kobe they exceed the cap.

[D-Rose]

So thats about 8 mill more a year than Bynum.. PLUS 8 more mill in luxury tax.. making it a totall of 16 more than Drew per year. :ohwell:
But look at Fisher/Morrison, that's like 11 mill off the books and Sasha is 5 mill off the books the following year. Since we're playing with luxury tax that's also twice each being shaved off.

Our payroll for 10-11 would be something like
Kobe 24 mill
Bosh 17 mill
Gasol 17 mill
Odom 8 mill
Ron 5 mill
Sasha 5 mill
Luke 5 mill
Brown 2 mill

Then let's say draft picks/Mbenga/Powell/Fish/FA signings come out to 7 mill, the total payroll would be:

90 million aka 1 million less than this year.

It's not like the payroll is 125 million :oldlol:

EDIT: In a potential trade it'd be Bynum/Farmar/Morrison/Sasha for Bosh/Weems/Banks to make it work.

Banks has a similar contract tin $ and length to Sasha and Weems is a minimum guy.

[ZeN]

Bosh would end up costing the Lakers about 33 million dollars if you account for the luxury tax, that and i'm sure the Lakers will resign Farmar and Morrison, each of whicch will probobally cost them at least 4-5 million each without the luxury tax, so about 20 million combined, plus they would have to resign Fisher, again for around 4-5 million and again will cost about 10 million. So by adding Bosh to the books the Lakers wouldnt just be adding 6 million (approximate difference between Bynums and Boshs upgraded contract including luxury tax). They would also be adding about 30 million dollars which would be about 66 million dollars. The Lakers are far over the cap, in fact with Bosh, Gasol and Kobe they exceed the cap.


You comment is way off base.. :oldlol:

[D-Rose]

Bosh would end up costing the Lakers about 33 million dollars if you account for the luxury tax, that and i'm sure the Lakers will resign Farmar and Morrison, each of whicch will probobally cost them at least 4-5 million each without the luxury tax, so about 20 million combined, plus they would have to resign Fisher, again for around 4-5 million and again will cost about 10 million. So by adding Bosh to the books the Lakers wouldnt just be adding 6 million (approximate difference between Bynums and Boshs upgraded contract including luxury tax). They would also be adding about 30 million dollars which would be about 66 million dollars. The Lakers are far over the cap, in fact with Bosh, Gasol and Kobe they exceed the cap.
:roll:

Fisher would be lucky to get more than a minimum or BAE contract around the league and Morrison may be headed to the D-League.

[ZeN]

But look at Fisher/Morrison, that's like 11 mill off the books and Sasha is 5 mill off the books the following year. Since we're playing with luxury tax that's also twice each being shaved off.

Our payroll for 10-11 would be something like
Kobe 24 mill
Bosh 17 mill
Gasol 17 mill
Odom 8 mill
Ron 5 mill
Sasha 5 mill
Luke 5 mill
Brown 2 mill

Then let's say draft picks/Mbenga/Powell/Fish/FA signings come out to 7 mill, the total payroll would be:

90 million aka 1 million less than this year.

It's not like the payroll is 125 million :oldlol:

EDIT: In a potential trade it'd be Bynum/Farmar/Morrison/Sasha for Bosh/Weems/Banks to make it work.

Banks has a similar contract tin $ and length to Sasha and Weems is a minimum guy.


This post is filled with a great amount of assumptions. Many of which are coming off as wishful thinking.


Who is going to be the starting PG and backup SG? Dont you think those will be addressed? And when they are, that means more money out of pocket.

You cant be sure that Bosh will want to accept the same amount as Gasol.
You are not taking Bryants contract extention into account, which hasnt even been formulated yet.

You throw out a trade proposal that has no factual basis, just wishful thinking.

Plus, you could end up getting a totally unforeseen occurrence. When Gasol was being traded for Buss wanted to include Odom so that he wouldnt have to pay as much. However The Grizz where the ones that were stuck on Kwames contract. So you cant act like money aint an issue.

[D-Rose]

This post is filled with a great amount of assumptions. Many of which are coming off as wishful thinking.


Who is going to be the starting PG and backup SG? Dont you think those will be addressed? And when they are, that means more money out of pocket.

You cant be sure that Bosh will want to accept the same amount as Gasol.
You are not taking Bryants contract extention into account, which hasnt even been formulated yet.

You throw out a trade proposal that has no factual basis, just wishful thinking.

Plus, you could end up getting a totally unforeseen occurrence. When Gasol was being traded for Buss wanted to include Odom so that he wouldnt have to pay as much. However The Grizz where the ones that were stuck on Kwames contract. So you cant act like money aint an issue.

Of course it's all hypotheticals at this point, and I don't think the trade will happen. I was merely trying to prove the Lakers cap situation wouldn't be that different from now.

And yeah PG situation will be very interesting to see this summer. I wonder if there's any FAs that could fill our needs. Fish could legit retire and even if he comes back he should be a bench guy.

Farmar will be gone that's for sure someone will overpay him.

[xtn5021]

That trade has just as much a chance as Carmelo going to the Warriors...

[ashbelly]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[gxL]

ninja bump