Real Madrid Offers Darko = 3 Year $21.7 Million NBA Contract

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Real Madrid has offered Darko Milicic a 3 year

[chains5000]

Stupid idea.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Stupid idea.

That's about half what Kleiza makes and about 1/3 of what Childress makes. Now those two guys are ridiculously, actually insanely overpaid for their production. But I don't think that amount is that bad for Darko. Darko can probably give Real something like 10 points, 5 rebounds, and a block a game and solid defense IF he gets his head together and IF he actually starts trying.

I think he will adjust his attitude because under Messina he will have no choice. If he thought Larry Brown was tough he has no idea what he is getting into. If he pulls his lazy act with Messina he will be gone real quick.

[bagelred]

Marc Cornstein, the President of Pinnacle Management Sports Agency, which represents Milicic, told Sports News, "Darko wants to return to Europe, but for now we cannot discuss this until the end of the season, because he currently has a valid contract with the New York Knicks".


You just DID discuss it.

[niko]

Darko, please go. GO. Go now...go go go go go...

[gasolina]

Amazing how a player's psyche is that fragile. Darko get's pissed off because he says coaches don't let him do things on the offense.

[bagelred]

I'm surprised more Americans don't bolt for Europe. Sounds like a sweet deal. They've got lots of money. They pay your taxes. I think they put you up and pay for your housing.

[bagelred]

BTW, just read Nets offered Tony Battie for Darko. Should Knicks do it? I say no...as might need Darko's contract for deadline deals.....

[Maga_1]

Real Madrid Soccer Galatics and Real Madrid Basket Galatics.
What this 2 teams have in common?
They got a lot of good players overpaid, that can't win a sh!t with Barcelona in the same champiosnhip :lol

[BigTicket]

Its seriously amazing how much money this guy has made without ever being any good.

[hawkfan]

The Knicks should go ahead and buy out Darko and let him go.

[Alhazred]

Its seriously amazing how much money this guy has made without ever being any good.

Seriously, Bynum is getting paid less than $3,000,000 a year and Darko is earning $7,000,000+? Makes no sense.

[niko]

I'm surprised more Americans don't bolt for Europe. Sounds like a sweet deal. They've got lots of money. They pay your taxes. I think they put you up and pay for your housing.

There have been stories of teams not paying the amounts they promise, and since it's overseas you have the possiblity of trying to fight for your money while overseas. Not a good thing to do.

[HylianNightmare]

overpaid scrub

[kNIOKAS]

Real Madrid Soccer Galatics and Real Madrid Basket Galatics.
What this 2 teams have in common?
They got a lot of good players overpaid, that can't win a sh!t with Barcelona in the same champiosnhip :lol
and barcelona is paying guys a lot as well, just not called real madrid.

[bagelred]

The Knicks should go ahead and buy out Darko and let him go.

And why should they do that, genius.

[Maga_1]

and barcelona is paying guys a lot as well, just not called real madrid.

But they are not paying the same as Real, not even close..
And they actually win something, and will win this year .. Real not even close.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

There have been stories of teams not paying the amounts they promise, and since it's overseas you have the possiblity of trying to fight for your money while overseas. Not a good thing to do.

Those stories are either lies or from years ago. Since about a year now there is an in place FIBA rule across all leagues and teams that if you do not pay the players and agents in full the team will be banned from all competitions for up to 5 years.

Also, if a team does pay the player and agent in full but there are delays in the payments then the team can be sued and the European court is now operating under the standard FIBA sanction and it effects all the leagues and teams. The teams then have to pay all the lawyer and court costs as well.

Also, these big contracts on big teams are guaranteed just like they are in the NBA. That is why for example Macijuaskas got paid about 9 million euros without even playing for about 2 years - because such contracts are guaranteed.

There is virtually zero chance that Darko's contract would not be guaranteed. This whole notion about players not being paid in Europe is a fiction created by US media and that is a fact because of the FIBA laws that are now in place.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

I'm surprised more Americans don't bolt for Europe. Sounds like a sweet deal. They've got lots of money. They pay your taxes. I think they put you up and pay for your housing.

Big clubs do indeed pay for your housing and also give you a car and some of them give you a driver. It can vary for each player, but as an example Olympiacos bought Childress a large fully furnished condo (it's 4 bedrooms about 2,500 square feet) in a very nice area of Athens on the coast no less. He has his own maid and chef at the team's expense, etc.

They also give him a new Volvo sports car every year. And they also pay for all of his bills and living expenses. The most famous cases of such generosity are with Panathinaikos. They for example even went as far as to pay for the college educations of Dominque Wilkins' and Byron Scott's kids and those guys only played for them I think a year each.

The Russian club Khimki is known to not only give players there own place but also their family and they also provide free chauffeur service and limo service if the player wants it. I'm actually surprised that a lot of this stuff does not stop completely with the economies as they are.

[2LeTTeRS]

I'm surprised more Americans don't bolt for Europe. Sounds like a sweet deal. They've got lots of money. They pay your taxes. I think they put you up and pay for your housing.

The only problem is if you don't produce you don't get paid. Sometimes you are playing well and the checks still don't come. The experiences players have in Europe vary as well, some enjoy it but most don't. Since most don't care to learn the language they end up isolated and alone. Europe isn't all its cracked up to be.

[wally_world]

I didnt know Darko plays soccer

[Lakas Fan Yo]

But they are not paying the same as Real, not even close..
And they actually win something, and will win this year .. Real not even close.

Barca's budget is around €30 million ($44 million)

Real's budget is around €35 million ($51 million)

Not exactly a huge difference there.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

The only problem is if you don't produce you don't get paid. Sometimes you are playing well and the checks still don't come. The experiences players have in Europe vary as well, some enjoy it but most don't. Since most don't care to learn the language they end up isolated and alone. Europe isn't all its cracked up to be.

As I already pointed out, there are FIBA and European court laws that prevent that now. All that other nonsense is just US media BS.

Also as for the language........that's funny as players and coaches usually speak in English. The only league that is different is Spain, where they like Spanish over English, but they provide free translators for players that don't speak Spanish and free tutoring.

Other leagues, like Greece for example, the players and coaches all speak English.

[GOBB]

Send him back overseas and stamp fragile goods on his forehead. Soft and bum ass euro.

[bdreason]

Back to the minor leagues.

[KubiliusF]

Macijauskas did not get paid 9 millions. He was in law court with Olympiacos for about 2 years now and lost the case.

[dnyk1337]

Why does he have to pay state and federal taxes? He's not going to be in the US. I don't think he's a citizen either.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Macijauskas did not get paid 9 millions. He was in law court with Olympiacos for about 2 years now and lost the case.

Yes he did. He got all his money.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Why does he have to pay state and federal taxes? He's not going to be in the US. I don't think he's a citizen either.

I think you fail at reading comprehension.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Back to the minor leagues.

Darko isn't going to the D-League. So your post makes no sense. If you really believe "the minor leagues" offer $22 million contracts then there is simply something wrong with your ability to comprehend basic logic and facts.

[Grinder]

Yes he did. He got all his money.
Yeah, after a long lawsuit.

It's well documented that several players haven't gotten paid in time or their contracts haven't been honored in several leagues in Europe, including the Greek league.


*Waits for some snide remark or how the US media is lying to us*

[dnyk1337]

I think you fail at reading comprehension.

No, I think you fail.


As is well known NBA players lose about 50% of their listed salary to state and federal taxes and to agent fees. So that means that this contract offer is = to about a 3 year $21.7 million NBA contract.

So Darko will make roughly the same as he does in the NBA, getting about the same contract that he currently is on.

How dumb can you be when you created this thread and posted the article? Can't even answer a question.

[DetroitPiston]

Ah good old Florentino Perez, a man who will overpay players on ridiculous funds not just for the soccer division of Real Madrid, but on basketball too.

I also wonder if he cares about defense in the same manner that he does for Madrid. Loads of offense and non existent defense.

Funny though that he's going to El Real.

[Maga_1]

Ah good old Florentino Perez, a man who will overpay players on ridiculous funds not just for the soccer division of Real Madrid, but on basketball too.

I also wonder if he cares about defense in the same manner that he does for Madrid. Loads of offense and non existent defense.

Funny though that he's going to El Real.

Madrid is always about OFFENSE, ALWAYS !

[sergiorodriguez]

Darko is a shotblocking beast in FIBA ball, he will average like 12 boards, 3.5 blocks a game in ACB league

[chains5000]

Darko is a shotblocking beast in FIBA ball, he will average like 12 boards, 3.5 blocks a game in ACB league
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[sergiorodriguez]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: dumbass chains doesn't know anything about Darko's time on the Serbian national team:roll: :roll: :roll:

[chains5000]

ACB's top rebounder gets 8,13 rpg, while the best shotblocker gets 1,71.
Another great post by Bruinlove. You really know the ACB league:rolleyes:

[sergiorodriguez]

ACB's top rebounder gets 8,13 rpg, while the best shotblocker gets 1,71.
Another great post by Bruinlove. You really know the ACB league:rolleyes:
Darko hasn't entered the ACB league yet has he?

I've seen Spain play. That old jump shooter guy you got playing behind Pau and Marc as the countries third best bigman is absolute garbage on a stick.

Presumably that old jump shooter bigman is the best spanish shot blocker in the ACB league. Darko is even a decent shot blocker in NBA when he is actually trying. He will probably be defensive player of the year in ACB league, just watch son.

[chains5000]

So Darko's gonna average nearly 4 more rebounds than the current league leader and twice the blocks? :oldlol:
Admit you don't know what you're talking about.

[chains5000]

Darko hasn't entered the ACB league yet has he?

I've seen Spain play. That old jump shooter guy you got playing behind Pau and Marc as the countries third best bigman is absolute garbage on a stick.

Presumably that old jump shooter bigman is the best spanish shot blocker in the ACB league. Darko is even a decent shot blocker in NBA when he is actually trying. He will probably be defensive player of the year in ACB league, just watch son.
:confusedshrug:
Only players from the Spanish national team are allowed in the ACB league or what?

[sergiorodriguez]

So Darko's gonna average nearly 4 more rebounds than the current league leader and twice the blocks? :oldlol:
Admit you don't know what you're talking about.
yes. You will be made to look, once again, like the dumbass that you are.

also name the best shot blocker in ACB league right now.

[chains5000]

yes. You will be made to look, once again, like the dumbass that you are.

also name the best shot blocker in ACB league right now.
Robert Battle.
The typical Spanish name:oldlol:

[sergiorodriguez]

Robert Battle would not average 1 block a game in the D League.

Darko averages 1.2 BPG and had a career best of 2.1 BPG IN THE FREAKING NBA.

Juan Carlos Navarro is a beast in ACB league, like the Kobe Bryant of Spain.

In NBA Darko goes against guys better than Juan Carlos Navarro every single night.


I stand by what i said and Darko will prove you are a dumbass.

Robert Battle played at Drexel and couldnt even put up good stats in the NBA summer league where scrubs like Morris Almond score 50 points in a game. Darko in contrast gets actual minutes in actual NBA games.

[chains5000]

Robert Battle would not average 1 block a game in the D League.

Darko averages 1.2 BPG and had a career best of 2.1 BPG IN THE FREAKING NBA.

Juan Carlos Navarro is a beast in ACB league, like the Kobe Bryant of Spain.

In NBA Darko goes against guys better than Juan Carlos Navarro every single night.


I stand by what i said and Darko will prove you are a dumbass.
DARKO THE GOAT!!!

[sergiorodriguez]

DARKO THE GOAT!!!

Robert Battle played at Drexel and couldnt even put up good stats in the NBA summer league where scrubs like Morris Almond score 50 points in a game. Darko in contrast gets actual minutes in actual NBA games.

i posted it big so hopefully your thick head could understand it better

[chains5000]

Career averages of 4.0 rpg and 1.2 bpg, with 16 and 5 as career highs that are gonna translate to 12 and 3.5.
Yeah, right.

[chains5000]

Robert Battle played at Drexel and couldnt even put up good stats in the NBA summer league where scrubs like Morris Almond score 50 points in a game. Darko in contrast gets actual minutes in actual NBA games.

i posted it big so hopefully your thick head could understand it better

This team:
T. Papaloukas
S. Schortsianitis
N. Zisis
V. Spanoulis
P. Vassilopoulos
A. Fotsis
N. Hatzivrettas
D. Dikoudis
K. Tsartsaris
D. Diamantidis
L. Papadopoulos
M. Kakiouzis

beat this other one:

J. Johnson
K. Hinrich
L. James
A. Jamison
S. Battier
D. Wade
C. Paul
C. Bosh
D. Howard
B. Miller
E. Brand
C. Anthony


OMFG!!!! HOW CAN A TEAM WITH ALMOST NO NBA EXPERIENCE BEAT THEM???

FIBA and NBA games are different.

[Maga_1]

It was the greek coach said in the end of that game:

"US players jump, run and dunk . We play basketball"

:applause: :applause:

[Maga_1]

Actually i think Fran Vasquez is a better player than Milicic but ..
Just my 2 cents.

[catzhernandez]

That's about half what Kleiza makes and about 1/3 of what Childress makes. Now those two guys are ridiculously, actually insanely overpaid for their production. But I don't think that amount is that bad for Darko. Darko can probably give Real something like 10 points, 5 rebounds, and a block a game and solid defense IF he gets his head together and IF he actually starts trying.

I think he will adjust his attitude because under Messina he will have no choice. If he thought Larry Brown was tough he has no idea what he is getting into. If he pulls his lazy act with Messina he will be gone real quick.


Have you ever seen Euro ball? Or watched and/or heard of Darko in the euro circuit??

I'd say he'll get closer to 18 points a game, and at least 8 rebounds. He beasts over there.

[catzhernandez]

Darko is a shotblocking beast in FIBA ball, he will average like 12 boards, 3.5 blocks a game in ACB league
lol I bet you were one of those kids saying Oden would get 25/18 in the NBA too, huh? :lol

12 rpg? That's bananas. 8 rpg is maxing it. But I think he can do that. 7-8 rpg...

[chains5000]

Have you ever seen Euro ball? Or watched and/or heard of Darko in the euro circuit??

I'd say he'll get closer to 18 points a game, and at least 8 rebounds. He beasts over there.
Too many points IMO. Only two players get that many in the ACB league.
And Madrid has a deep team, so Darko won't play that many minutes (remember it's 40 mpg).
Also, team focus is on team ball, it's not like the team's gonna play for him.

[Maga_1]

Have you ever seen Euro ball? Or watched and/or heard of Darko in the euro circuit??

I'd say he'll get closer to 18 points a game, and at least 8 rebounds. He beasts over there.

I think 18 points is too much in ACB for a C, maybe 14

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Yeah, after a long lawsuit.

It's well documented that several players haven't gotten paid in time or their contracts haven't been honored in several leagues in Europe, including the Greek league.


*Waits for some snide remark or how the US media is lying to us*

FIBA rules stipulate any team not paying a player in full will be banned for 5 years from competition.

Also, the reason Macas sued Olympiacos was because in his guaranteed contract there was a stipulation (like pretty much all NBA contracts also) that if Macas got hurt playing on another team while under contract - that his contract would be nullified.

Macas got a severe injury, as in out for 1-2 years while playing in a practice session with ANOTHER TEAM, while he was under contract with Olympiacos and did not have permission to do so.

That is why he had to sue to get his money. He got all his money as his contract was guaranteed. Olympiacos then in court counter sued him over breach of contract, which he clearly did do and the judge then agreed that his actions were in fact a breach of contract and so therefore his pay for the final year of his contract was waived.

This is exactly the same as operations with contracts are handled in the NBA and any claim otherwise is simply the fantasy of US media spin and BS.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

No, I think you fail.



How dumb can you be when you created this thread and posted the article? Can't even answer a question.

Once again, you fail at reading comprehension.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Darko is a shotblocking beast in FIBA ball, he will average like 12 boards, 3.5 blocks a game in ACB league

That's a ridiculous exaggeration.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Robert Battle would not average 1 block a game in the D League.

Darko averages 1.2 BPG and had a career best of 2.1 BPG IN THE FREAKING NBA.

Juan Carlos Navarro is a beast in ACB league, like the Kobe Bryant of Spain.

In NBA Darko goes against guys better than Juan Carlos Navarro every single night.


I stand by what i said and Darko will prove you are a dumbass.

Robert Battle played at Drexel and couldnt even put up good stats in the NBA summer league where scrubs like Morris Almond score 50 points in a game. Darko in contrast gets actual minutes in actual NBA games.


Darko might even have worse stats in Europe than he does in the NBA. That actually happens OFTEN to NBA players that move to Europe.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Have you ever seen Euro ball? Or watched and/or heard of Darko in the euro circuit??

I'd say he'll get closer to 18 points a game, and at least 8 rebounds. He beasts over there.

No center on the planet would average 18 and 8 in a club like Real Madrid. No one.

[kaktus14]

Real just acquired center Ante Tomic for milion euros,wtf are they doing,stacking centers like crazy

[SpanishACB]

Big clubs do indeed pay for your housing and also give you a car and some of them give you a driver. It can vary for each player, but as an example Olympiacos bought Childress a large fully furnished condo (it's 4 bedrooms about 2,500 square feet) in a very nice area of Athens on the coast no less. He has his own maid and chef at the team's expense, etc.

They also give him a new Volvo sports car every year. And they also pay for all of his bills and living expenses. The most famous cases of such generosity are with Panathinaikos. They for example even went as far as to pay for the college educations of Dominque Wilkins' and Byron Scott's kids and those guys only played for them I think a year each.

The Russian club Khimki is known to not only give players there own place but also their family and they also provide free chauffeur service and limo service if the player wants it. I'm actually surprised that a lot of this stuff does not stop completely with the economies as they are.

This is all possible because basketball clubs in Europe are actually owned by themselves as opposed to an enterprise (nba) that gives out franchise rights.
Because of this, clubs can go out and get sponsors, in many cases these sponsors are car companies which give out free cars to players.

[SpanishACB]

The only problem is if you don't produce you don't get paid. Sometimes you are playing well and the checks still don't come. The experiences players have in Europe vary as well, some enjoy it but most don't. Since most don't care to learn the language they end up isolated and alone. Europe isn't all its cracked up to be.

This has to be one of the most xenophobic and ignorant posts I've read on this forum, and there's a lot. "You don't produce you don't get paid", who is telling you these stories? A vietnam war veteran cowboy?

[Mister JT]

Real Madrid Soccer Galatics and Real Madrid Basket Galatics.
What this 2 teams have in common?
They got a lot of good players overpaid, that can't win a sh!t with Barcelona in the same champiosnhip :lol

Haha! Mis que un club!

I wonder how it feels for RM basketball fans that probably the greatest Spanish basketball player ever Pau Gasol bleeds blaugrana.

[SpanishACB]

Haha! Mis que un club!

I wonder how it feels for RM basketball fans that probably the greatest Spanish basketball player ever Pau Gasol bleeds blaugrana.

4 of the 5 Spanish NT starters are Catalan ;)

Ricky
Navarro

Pau
Marc

[Mister JT]

Sorry, I just checked my football kit. It should be "mes."

So Ricky Rubio is Catalan as well? It makes sense for him to move to Barca.

Xavi, Puyol, Pique, Busquets and Cesc for the football team came from Barca as well. Not all starters, but NT players nevertheless. Iniesta too, but I'm not sure if he is Catalan.

Barca vs Sevilla tonight!

[SuperLopez]

Haha! Mis que un club!

I wonder how it feels for RM basketball fans that probably the greatest Spanish basketball player ever Pau Gasol bleeds blaugrana.

Who cares, both Real Madrid basket and soccer have the best records

[chains5000]

4 of the 5 Spanish NT starters are Catalan ;)

Ricky
Navarro

Pau
Marc
Calderon should be the starter when healthy.

[SpanishACB]

Who cares, both Real Madrid basket and soccer have the best records
I rather live the present though.

[niko]

FIBA rules stipulate any team not paying a player in full will be banned for 5 years from competition.

Also, the reason Macas sued Olympiacos was because in his guaranteed contract there was a stipulation (like pretty much all NBA contracts also) that if Macas got hurt playing on another team while under contract - that his contract would be nullified.

Macas got a severe injury, as in out for 1-2 years while playing in a practice session with ANOTHER TEAM, while he was under contract with Olympiacos and did not have permission to do so.

That is why he had to sue to get his money. He got all his money as his contract was guaranteed. Olympiacos then in court counter sued him over breach of contract, which he clearly did do and the judge then agreed that his actions were in fact a breach of contract and so therefore his pay for the final year of his contract was waived.

This is exactly the same as operations with contracts are handled in the NBA and any claim otherwise is simply the fantasy of US media spin and BS.

There has been a bunch of players who have left, and come back because they had problems getting paid, had to sue to get paid, threaten to get paid. No, its not widespread but why do we always get denials that it never happens. It clearly has happened. :confusedshrug:

[Hyman]

dsd

[SuperLopez]

I rather live the present though.
What present, bar

[Toizumi]

This has to be one of the most xenophobic and ignorant posts I've read on this forum, and there's a lot. "You don't produce you don't get paid", who is telling you these stories? A vietnam war veteran cowboy?

Well... he has a point. Some European clubs actually have performance clauses in their contracts. Also, some clubs are allowed to waive injured players. This all depends on what type of contract a player has of course

[Hyman]

4 of the 5 Spanish NT starters are Catalan ;)

Ricky
Navarro

Pau
Marc

Rudy Fernandez is also catalan despite being born at Mallorca

[Hyman]

Milicic will not go to Real Madrid for that sum of money. Its impossible. Real Madrid basketball section has a limited budget and does not overpay for players. Theres no chance they will sign Milicic for that sum of money. Impossible

Real Madrid as a club is more powerful than any NBA franchise. If they wanted to spend money on basketball they would go for an NBA superstar (aka Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony, Pau Gasol, Nowitzki, Yao...). Real Madrid doosnt spend money on basketball because its not worthy. Its impossible for them to compete with USA. If Real Madrid spent in basketball only 1/10 of the money they spend in soccer, they would be permanent Euroleague Champions

The highest transfer on spanish basketball, was this summer, Ricky Rubio's move to Barcelona. The transfer was made for 3 million euros, and its an historical record. But for example, Barcelona soccer team, spent this summer 80 million euros on Zlatan Ibrahimovic. For example Cristiano Ronaldo alone moves more money than all the european basketball together

Real Madrid soccer team spent this summer 350 million dollars only in signing new players. They do this because its worthy for them. They are the most media hyped team of the world, and all their costs end being revenues. They are a media circus

Its impossible for them to do this with basketball, because it doesnt give revenues at Europe. Signing Milicic for that sum its impossible because it would be catastrophic for them in all senses. He is not even a FIBA proved player and with the deep front court that Real Madrid has, (Velickovic, Garabjosa, Reyes, Van den Spiegel, Lavrinovic...), it would be strange that he averaged more than 8 points - 4 rebounds.

They dont need Darko at all and I doubt he is any better than any of the players they've got at the moment playing for them at the frontcourt. Probably he is better than Van den Spiegel but not sure abouth the others

And again, Real Madrid basketball team, never overpays players. Its not Olympiakos. The evidence is the roster they've had in the last years, where the basketball section level was really poor

Barcelona spends more money on basketball than Real Madrid does

[SpanishACB]

[QUOTE=SuperLopez]What present, bar

[Hyman]

You said that nothing mattered because Real Madrid still has more titles, or something along those lines. I'm of the opinion that living off European Cups from the black and white TV era is a bit silly. Barcelona is and has recently been heads and shoulders above Real Madrid in both Soccer and Basketball. Not much there to discuss.

Hymen: Not really, he was born in Mallorca and thus isn't Catalan, I don't see how you can argue otherwise. On a sidenote, Ibrahimovich didn't cost 80 millions, you're putting an imaginary price on Eto'o, without taking into account his real market value or the fact that he would be living on a free the next season due to finishing contract.

Rudy Fernandez is catalan. The fact he was born in Mallorca doesnt make him balearic. His family is catalan, he has lived most of his life in Catalonia and he was born in Majorca accidentally, due to his parents job, as they were also basketball players. He could had been born also in Italy given the case and that wouldnt make him italian. Just as Wally Sczerbiack was born in Spain. Moreover Rudy speaks catalan of Catalonia.

[Hyman]

You said that nothing mattered because Real Madrid still has more titles, or something along those lines. I'm of the opinion that living off European Cups from the black and white TV era is a bit silly. Barcelona is and has recently been heads and shoulders above Real Madrid in both Soccer and Basketball. Not much there to discuss.

Hymen: Not really, he was born in Mallorca and thus isn't Catalan, I don't see how you can argue otherwise. On a sidenote, Ibrahimovich didn't cost 80 millions, you're putting an imaginary price on Eto'o, without taking into account his real market value or the fact that he would be living on a free the next season due to finishing contract.

Cristiano Ronaldo "only" makes roughly 20 million euros a year, and that's with 50% coming from his Madrid paycheck, the rest from advertising. I'm pretty sure the whole European Basketball teams and players move more than that a year .

Cristiano Ronaldo made a transfer this summer of 100 million euros. He wins 20million euros for playing football and the other incomes of advertising you dont know. Are you sure the whole FIBA basketball moves more money than that? :eek:

[SpanishACB]

Cristiano Ronaldo made a transfer this summer of 100 million euros.
That doesn't change anything. That's club to club business


He wins 20million euros for playing football

No, he earns 10-12 millions a year. I made that clear, reading would help.



and the other incomes of advertising you dont know.

Yes I do, or at least it is estimated in various online sources you can search for if you do wish. Not even Beckham or Ronaldinho in their primes made more than 30 millions a year counting club paycheck + personal advertisment from sponsors (pepsi, addidas, whatever)



Are you sure the whole FIBA basketball moves more money than that? :eek:

Do you even know how many FIBA teams there are or what players are earning in countries like Russia?

On Rudy, he is Mallorquin because he was born in Mallorca, end of. We're talking about regions of a country and not states in themselves. On some cases players can opt to choose the nationality of his parents as opposed to the location of birth, but this only applies to international countries and not regions of a particular nation.
He wouldn't be eligible to play for the Catalonian Soccer team per example, whilst Bojan, who is the son of a Serbian, is.

[Hyman]

That doesn't change anything. That's club to club business



No, he earns 10-12 millions a year. I made that clear, reading would help.




Yes I do, or at least it is estimated in various online sources you can search for if you do wish. Not even Beckham or Ronaldinho in their primes made more than 30 millions a year counting club paycheck + personal advertisment from sponsors (pepsi, addidas, whatever)



Do you even know how many FIBA teams there are or what players are earning in countries like Russia?

On Rudy, he is Mallorquin because he was born in Mallorca, end of. We're talking about regions of a country and not states in themselves. On some cases players can opt to choose the nationality of his parents as opposed to the location of birth, but this only applies to international countries and not regions of a particular nation.
He wouldn't be eligible to play for the Catalonian Soccer team per example, whilst Bojan, who is the son of a Serbian, is.

Rudy played for the catalan basketball team!

What has got to do club to club business with the money Cristiano Ronaldo moves? What do u think was the reason of Real Madrid spending 100 million euros? Cristiano Ronaldo has moved this summer more than all FIBA basketball, in, at least, the last 3 years. I think its an evidence very difficult to argue against

[SuperLopez]

You said that nothing mattered because Real Madrid still has more titles, or something along those lines. I'm of the opinion that living off European Cups from the black and white TV era is a bit silly. Barcelona is and has recently been heads and shoulders above Real Madrid in both Soccer and Basketball. Not much there to discuss.

Hymen: Not really, he was born in Mallorca and thus isn't Catalan, I don't see how you can argue otherwise. On a sidenote, Ibrahimovich didn't cost 80 millions, you're putting an imaginary price on Eto'o, without taking into account his real market value or the fact that he would be living on a free the next season due to finishing contract.

Cristiano Ronaldo "only" makes roughly 20 million euros a year, and that's with 50% coming from his Madrid paycheck, the rest from advertising. I'm pretty sure the whole European Basketball teams and players move more than that a year .

What are you talking about(black and white lol), euroleagues(with different historical names):
1964, 1965, 1967, 1968, 1974, 1978, 1980, 1995.

Yes, from 1995 to this days Real Madrid has underachieved, but there is no way you can compare both teams.
And if we talk about present or close future it doesnt' look bad at all.

And off course the past is important too, but sure people without it always tells the same, it's more conveniant.

[sergiorodriguez]

This team:
T. Papaloukas
S. Schortsianitis
N. Zisis
V. Spanoulis
P. Vassilopoulos
A. Fotsis
N. Hatzivrettas
D. Dikoudis
K. Tsartsaris
D. Diamantidis
L. Papadopoulos
M. Kakiouzis

beat this other one:

J. Johnson
K. Hinrich
L. James
A. Jamison
S. Battier
D. Wade
C. Paul
C. Bosh
D. Howard
B. Miller
E. Brand
C. Anthony


OMFG!!!! HOW CAN A TEAM WITH ALMOST NO NBA EXPERIENCE BEAT THEM???

FIBA and NBA games are different.
Even the sun shines on a dog's ass some days

[sergiorodriguez]

lol I bet you were one of those kids saying Oden would get 25/18 in the NBA too, huh? :lol

12 rpg? That's bananas. 8 rpg is maxing it. But I think he can do that. 7-8 rpg...
greg oden is a walking wrinkly face turd on legs

[chains5000]

Bruinlove, you realize nobody agrees with you, right?

[allball]

Good. Darko is a pure European player. hopefully he'll get a chance to show his talent.

[dnyk1337]

Once again, you fail at reading comprehension.

Besides throwing out the same sentence whenever someone contradicts your points or asks a question which you can't answer, try actually proving your point. How do I fail at reading comprehension again? Please do tell. I'll be waiting for your response patiently while I contemplate how to shoot you through my computer screen.

[Maga_1]

I saw Real Madrid x Milano .. What about Jaric? He's a sh!t, he doesn't do anything on the court .. Sergio Llull this game made jaric look like a baby child ..

[SuperLopez]

I saw Real Madrid x Milano .. What about Jaric? He's a sh!t, he doesn't do anything on the court .. Sergio Llull this game made jaric look like a baby child ..

Well, I think Jaric was the best player of Real Madrid until Sergio entered the court. Anyway, Llull hasn't played for more than a month because a serious ankle injury, being this one his first game his performance has been quite impressive.

[Maga_1]

Llull and Kaukenas turn around the game when they came in ..
In Milano Mancinelli and Bulleri played very well too.

[SuperLopez]

Llull and Kaukenas turn around the game when they came in ..
In Milano Mancinelli and Bulleri played very well too.

Felipe Reyes and Jaric kept Madrid into the game but you're right it was Llull ang Kaukenas who won it.

Mancinelli was incredible, awesome game.

But we can't forget too how Mark Hall has helped Real Madrid, really silly

[Lakas Fan Yo]

This has to be one of the most xenophobic and ignorant posts I've read on this forum, and there's a lot. "You don't produce you don't get paid", who is telling you these stories? A vietnam war veteran cowboy?

As sad as it is, Americans actually believe this crap. And the US media keeps saying it also. It's just sad.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

There has been a bunch of players who have left, and come back because they had problems getting paid, had to sue to get paid, threaten to get paid. No, its not widespread but why do we always get denials that it never happens. It clearly has happened. :confusedshrug:

I already thougourly explained it to you and you refuse to acknowledge it. AGAIN, FIBA and the European court passed a law that it is illegal to do that. What you are talking about is either cases of players and agents and US media lying, which is the most of the cases by large part.........

Or you are talking about cases from years ago before the rules existed, or you are talking about players that play in small leagues and small clubs. You are NOT talking about the high professional level in Europe. You seem to not be able to grasp that playing in a big European club is not the same thing as playing in some minor league somewhere in Europe.

Yet you are able to grasp that playing in the USBL is not like playing in the NBA. Americans are xenophobic as pointed out already and this whole nonsense about players do not get paid in Europe is ridiculous.

The sad part is that Americans actually believe these players simply spend years playing for free. Even the simplest logic seems to be totally devoid. And when ESPN makes up (and yes they make it up) that players do not get paid it is because it is an NBA marketing gimmick. It's scary that people can't even figure that out.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Well... he has a point. Some European clubs actually have performance clauses in their contracts. Also, some clubs are allowed to waive injured players. This all depends on what type of contract a player has of course

Exactly. But that is much different from claiming that players have to play for free, which is basically what the vast majority of Americans claim. They don't even seem to be able to reason that if what they say is true, those players would not still be playing there.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Milicic will not go to Real Madrid for that sum of money. Its impossible. Real Madrid basketball section has a limited budget and does not overpay for players. Theres no chance they will sign Milicic for that sum of money. Impossible

Real Madrid as a club is more powerful than any NBA franchise. If they wanted to spend money on basketball they would go for an NBA superstar (aka Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony, Pau Gasol, Nowitzki, Yao...). Real Madrid doosnt spend money on basketball because its not worthy. Its impossible for them to compete with USA. If Real Madrid spent in basketball only 1/10 of the money they spend in soccer, they would be permanent Euroleague Champions

The highest transfer on spanish basketball, was this summer, Ricky Rubio's move to Barcelona. The transfer was made for 3 million euros, and its an historical record. But for example, Barcelona soccer team, spent this summer 80 million euros on Zlatan Ibrahimovic. For example Cristiano Ronaldo alone moves more money than all the european basketball together

Real Madrid soccer team spent this summer 350 million dollars only in signing new players. They do this because its worthy for them. They are the most media hyped team of the world, and all their costs end being revenues. They are a media circus

Its impossible for them to do this with basketball, because it doesnt give revenues at Europe. Signing Milicic for that sum its impossible because it would be catastrophic for them in all senses. He is not even a FIBA proved player and with the deep front court that Real Madrid has, (Velickovic, Garabjosa, Reyes, Van den Spiegel, Lavrinovic...), it would be strange that he averaged more than 8 points - 4 rebounds.

They dont need Darko at all and I doubt he is any better than any of the players they've got at the moment playing for them at the frontcourt. Probably he is better than Van den Spiegel but not sure abouth the others

And again, Real Madrid basketball team, never overpays players. Its not Olympiakos. The evidence is the roster they've had in the last years, where the basketball section level was really poor

Barcelona spends more money on basketball than Real Madrid does

It is well known that Real Madrid's basketball department has the highest budget of any Spanish team. I have no idea what you are talking about, but it's not surprising as you get every single basic fact wrong all the time.

Real Madrid has a very big budget and part of Messina's contract dictates they will maintain it in order to keep him.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Even the sun shines on a dog's ass some days

Team USA also lost in 2002 and 2004.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Besides throwing out the same sentence whenever someone contradicts your points or asks a question which you can't answer, try actually proving your point. How do I fail at reading comprehension again? Please do tell. I'll be waiting for your response patiently while I contemplate how to shoot you through my computer screen.

If your reading comprehension is that bad and apparently it is, there is no point wasting time explaining it to you.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

I saw Real Madrid x Milano .. What about Jaric? He's a sh!t, he doesn't do anything on the court .. Sergio Llull this game made jaric look like a baby child ..

Jaric is a good defender if you play him at the 3. He's also a good ball handler for a guy his size. That's about it. He's never been very good IMO.

[dnyk1337]

If your reading comprehension is that bad and apparently it is, there is no point wasting time explaining it to you.

lol then please explain it to me oh great dufus.

Please explain why Darko has to pay US taxes, and if he is an American citizen. Simple, no? Oh perhaps you don't know wtf you're saying.

[SuperLopez]

It is well known that Real Madrid's basketball department has the highest budget of any Spanish team. I have no idea what you are talking about, but it's not surprising as you get every single basic fact wrong all the time.

Real Madrid has a very big budget and part of Messina's contract dictates they will maintain it in order to keep him.

This year but not usually, for the last few years Bar

[Lakas Fan Yo]

lol then please explain it to me oh great dufus.

Please explain why Darko has to pay US taxes, and if he is an American citizen. Simple, no? Oh perhaps you don't know wtf you're saying.

Obviously you lack even basic thinking ability.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

[QUOTE=SuperLopez]This year but not usually, for the last few years Bar

[Hyman]

For this year and as long as Messina is there, Real will have a bigger budget. I fail to see how past years are relevant to the current issue of team budget.

Real Madrid has never in its recent history had a very big budget for basketball. (since Bodiroga, Djordjevic, Petrovic, Sabonis, Arlauckas...)

The evidence is in the players they've had. This year with the arrival of the new president seems thing to be changing, but no way they are a club that overpays players or that will pay that sum of money for Milicic

Barcelona has been in the last decade a much more expensive basketball club than Madrid.

And as I've said Madrid basketball section is impossible they will pay 21 million dolar to a player like Milicic. They've never done it and its not just their philosophy. They only do it if they know that economically or from the media point of view its worthy for them. Milicic in that aspect is a ruin

If you knew something about Real Madrid basketball section and about european basketball in general, you will already knew that the news you've given is totally bull****

Madrid would spend 50 million dollars in Lebron James. They wouldnt even spent 5 on Milicic. They are an enterprise, and they want the best for their company. Its not a deficitiary company like Olympiakos.

[SuperLopez]

Real Madrid has never in its recent history had a very big budget for basketball. (since Bodiroga, Djordjevic, Petrovic, Sabonis, Arlauckas...)

The evidence is in the players they've had. This year with the arrival of the new president seems thing to be changing, but no way they are a club that overpays players or that will pay that sum of money for Milicic

Barcelona has been in the last decade a much more expensive basketball club than Madrid.

And as I've said Madrid basketball section is impossible they will pay 21 million dolar to a player like Milicic. They've never done it and its not just their philosophy. They only do it if they know that economically or from the media point of view its worthy for them. Milicic in that aspect is a ruin

If you knew something about Real Madrid basketball section and about european basketball in general, you will already knew that the news you've given is totally bull****

Madrid would spend 50 million dollars in Lebron James. They wouldnt even spent 5 on Milicic. They are an enterprise, and they want the best for their company. Its not a deficitiary company like Olympiakos.

Real Madrid in gobal terms is not deficietary, the basket section yes.
In the last years the budget was around 20 millions euros(young players formation included), and the revenues 12 aprox. i think.

Like the majority of clubs in europe, usually not that much(except Oly, Pana, Bar

[Hyman]

[QUOTE=SuperLopez]Real Madrid in gobal terms is not deficietary, the basket section yes.
In the last years the budget was around 20 millions euros(young players formation included), and the revenues 12 aprox. i think.

Like the majority of clubs in europe, usually not that much(except Oly, Pana, Bar

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Real Madrid has never in its recent history had a very big budget for basketball. (since Bodiroga, Djordjevic, Petrovic, Sabonis, Arlauckas...)

The evidence is in the players they've had. This year with the arrival of the new president seems thing to be changing, but no way they are a club that overpays players or that will pay that sum of money for Milicic

Barcelona has been in the last decade a much more expensive basketball club than Madrid.

And as I've said Madrid basketball section is impossible they will pay 21 million dolar to a player like Milicic. They've never done it and its not just their philosophy. They only do it if they know that economically or from the media point of view its worthy for them. Milicic in that aspect is a ruin

If you knew something about Real Madrid basketball section and about european basketball in general, you will already knew that the news you've given is totally bull****

Madrid would spend 50 million dollars in Lebron James. They wouldnt even spent 5 on Milicic. They are an enterprise, and they want the best for their company. Its not a deficitiary company like Olympiakos.

I think every European in this site knows that you are full of it and are not European. Stop bothering me please.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

[QUOTE=Hyman]Real Madrid in the last decade hasnt spend as much as Olympiakos, PAO, Bar

[SuperLopez]

[QUOTE=Hyman]Real Madrid in the last decade hasnt spend as much as Olympiakos, PAO, Bar

[Underballer]

is he gonna replace cassilas at GK? :lol

[Cerebral Jedi]

Why does he have to pay state and federal taxes? He's not going to be in the US. I don't think he's a citizen either.


No, I think you fail.



How dumb can you be when you created this thread and posted the article? Can't even answer a question.

*sigh*
Dude just stop, you're making yourself look bad. Slowly read the original post again.

1. It states if this deal is done, the club(Real Madrid)will pay Darko's taxes and fees.

2. It states that NBA players lose about half their pay to taxes and fees. Darko is currently a NBA player, so he pays U.S. taxes. Him being or not being a U.S. citizen doesn't matter.

3. The point is if he takes the deal with Real Madrid, one then can take into consideration the taxes(You know...the taxes they make you pay in Spain?)he's not going to pay, because the club is, and approximately come up what he would be making in NBA terms, which it turns out is close to what he actually is now making in the NBA. Or to make it even simpler, just double the amount of the contract and you get the NBA equivalent.

Somehow, someway you've got it in your head that the OP is saying or implying that if Darko takes the deal with a European club he'll (still)be paying U.S. taxes on that contract, and that's not what he's saying. This is not that hard to figure out...Well it shouldn't be.

[dnyk1337]

*sigh*
Dude just stop, you're making yourself look bad. Slowly read the original post again.

1. It states if this deal is done, the club(Real Madrid)will pay Darko's taxes and fees.

2. It states that NBA players lose about half their pay to taxes and fees. Darko is currently a NBA player, so he pays U.S. taxes. Him being or not being a U.S. citizen doesn't matter.

3. The point is if he takes the deal with Real Madrid, one then can take into consideration the taxes(You know...the taxes they make you pay in Spain?)he's not going to pay, because the club is, and approximately come up what he would be making in NBA terms, which it turns out is close to what he actually is now making in the NBA. Or to make it even simpler, just double the amount of the contract and you get the NBA equivalent.

Somehow, someway you've got it in your head that the OP is saying or implying that if Darko takes the deal with a European club he'll (still)be paying U.S. taxes on that contract, and that's not what he's saying. This is not that hard to figure out...Well it shouldn't be.

Alright. So it isn't. Misread OP, big ****ing deal. Let's all go home crying about it, that I made myself look bad on a forum. :cry:

thx for the clearup

[Hyman]

You're right about the difference between Real Madrid and the other teams but if Ricky Rubio is right now a Barcelona player it's because he wanted to, both clubs offered the same amount of money and he chose to stay close to his city and family.

And i'm afraid Madrid is really trying to get Darko for next season, I don't know how much they're willing to pay, but Antonio Maceiras is working in that sense.

Im not saying that Madrid doesnt want to sign Darko. Im saying that that telling that Madrid is willing to pay Darko 21 million dollares for three years is laughable.

At most they will pay him 5-6 million dollares per 3 years. At most

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Im not saying that Madrid doesnt want to sign Darko. Im saying that that telling that Madrid is willing to pay Darko 21 million dollares for three years is laughable.

At most they will pay him 5-6 million dollares per 3 years. At most

Have you seen how much former NBA players make in Euroleague now? Even guys like Giricek and Nachbar that basically flat out suck at the Euroleague level make way, way more than that with their European clubs.

I realize they both had much better NBA careers than Darko did, but then again they are not young 7-1 guys either. There is no way that the figures you are quoting would be enough to sign Darko so something does not add up.

Darko and Real are saying they want him and the figures you quote are way below his market value in Europe. I mean at the figures you post there would be numerous European teams lining up to sign Darko.

For example Printezis makes 1.7 million dollars net a year in Malaga. Now you are telling me that Darko's offer from Real would be only 1.7 million to 2 million a year?

You have got to be kidding. Real offered Bourousis 2.9 million a year this summer. Are you actually saying that they would offer Bourousis 2.9 million a year and refuse to offer Darko more than 2?

Don't get me wrong, I think Bourousis is way better than Darko, but come on, at least try to be somewhat realistic for once Hyman.

[1~Gibson~1]

who the hell are they bidding against?? :wtf:

[Lakas Fan Yo]

who the hell are they bidding against?? :wtf:

There are several Euroleague teams that would sign Darko for that amount. For example.......

Olympiacos
Fenerbahce
Efes
Khimki

Also even though the story is CSKA dropped out of the issue, I would think they would also consider it depending on which contracts they move this summer. Basically if they moved Planinic for example I think they would certainly sign him for that amount.

Even there are some Eurocup (non Euroleague teams - teams in the second level league in Europe)

like for example UNICS or Triumph that would probably think about it. Especially I think a club like UNICS might do it.

At the 2.5 million euros a year net all of those teams would be possibilities and a team like Khimki, Fener, or Efes would probably be easily done.

[Hyman]

There are several Euroleague teams that would sign Darko for that amount. For example.......

Olympiacos
Fenerbahce
Efes
Khimki

Also even though the story is CSKA dropped out of the issue, I would think they would also consider it depending on which contracts they move this summer. Basically if they moved Planinic for example I think they would certainly sign him for that amount.

Even there are some Eurocup (non Euroleague teams - teams in the second level league in Europe)

like for example UNICS or Triumph that would probably think about it. Especially I think a club like UNICS might do it.

At the 2.5 million euros a year net all of those teams would be possibilities and a team like Khimki, Fener, or Efes would probably be easily done.

These are the euroleague players that earn more money

I wanted to say that Real Madrid will not offer Milicic for than 5-6 million euros per 3 years. I wanted to talk in Euros, not in dollars

Last year Madrid highest payed player was Reyes with 1.8 million euros per year. No way Milicic is going to come and earn more like Reyes. As I've said Real does not invest a lot in basketball. The evidence you have it in last years highest paid players, where theres only 1 from Madrid in the top 20

Madrid paying 6 million euros Milicic per year is a ruin for them. Real Madrid is not only a basketball club, its also a football club and they spend their budget in football, that is where they obtain the 95% of their supporters and the revenues

It would be such a big change in Real Madrid's basketball filosophy that suddenly they signed Milicic for 6 million euros per year, that I find it impossible. Maybe it would be normal for Olympiakos, a Russian team or a Turkish team; but not for Madrid, neither for Barcelona

http://www.navegandoxlared.es/?p=425

I couldnt find the list for this year.

Printezis is earning 1.2 million euros per year, which is a correct salary according to his level IMO

About Bouroussis, never heard that Madrid were interested in him, and I really doubt that they were willing to pay him 2.9 million per year, when they have Reyes who is a similar player but with a higher reputation earning 1.8

[Lakas Fan Yo]

These are the euroleague players that earn more money

I wanted to say that Real Madrid will not offer Milicic for than 5-6 million euros per 3 years. I wanted to talk in Euros, not in dollars

Last year Madrid highest payed player was Reyes with 1.8 million euros per year. No way Milicic is going to come and earn more like Reyes. As I've said Real does not invest a lot in basketball. The evidence you have it in last years highest paid players, where theres only 1 from Madrid in the top 20

Madrid paying 6 million euros Milicic per year is a ruin for them. Real Madrid is not only a basketball club, its also a football club and they spend their budget in football, that is where they obtain the 95% of their supporters and the revenues

It would be such a big change in Real Madrid's basketball filosophy that suddenly they signed Milicic for 6 million euros per year, that I find it impossible. Maybe it would be normal for Olympiakos, a Russian team or a Turkish team; but not for Madrid, neither for Barcelona

http://www.navegandoxlared.es/?p=425

I couldnt find the list for this year.

Printezis is earning 1.2 million euros per year, which is a correct salary according to his level IMO

About Bouroussis, never heard that Madrid were interested in him, and I really doubt that they were willing to pay him 2.9 million per year, when they have Reyes who is a similar player but with a higher reputation earning 1.8


Real definitely offered Bourousis 2.9 last year in dollars. You keep getting the two mixed up. They offered him 2 million a year in euros. He said it, his agent said it, Olympiacos said it, Messina said it, Real said it. He opted to stay with Olympiacos because he had previously promised the fans to win a Greek championship there before he left.

And how does Reyes have a higher reputation than Bourousis? I am sorry but no. Bourousis is much better than Reyes and I think that is pretty widely known. Reyes is a good player in his own way, but he's not in the same class as Bourousis by quite a lot actually.

Also it's 2.5 million euros a year for Darko. You obviously are commenting without having even read the article. As for Printezis I agree that his salary is fair and correct. He's Malaga's best player so that salary is about right.

[Hyman]

Real definitely offered Bourousis 2.9 last year in dollars. You keep getting the two mixed up. They offered him 2 million a year in euros. He said it, his agent said it, Olympiacos said it, Messina said it, Real said it. He opted to stay with Olympiacos because he had previously promised the fans to win a Greek championship there before he left.

And how does Reyes have a higher reputation than Bourousis? I am sorry but no. Bourousis is much better than Reyes and I think that is pretty widely known. Reyes is a good player in his own way, but he's not in the same class as Bourousis by quite a lot actually.

Also it's 2.5 million euros a year for Darko. You obviously are commenting without having even read the article. As for Printezis I agree that his salary is fair and correct. He's Malaga's best player so that salary is about right.

Ok Im sorry, I messed up. I was thinking that you said Real Madrid were willing to pay Darko 21 million dollars per 3 years

10 million dollars per 3 years, which is something like 7.5 million euros sounds more reasonable. 2.5 million euros I believe they can pay it, but definitely more than that

On the other hand I think you are underestimating Reyes. At the time Bouroussis was warming up the bench of Barcelona, Reyes was a very dominating player on ACB. Reyes has been the leader of Madrid for the last 5 years.Now Reyes is on low form because he has returned from a long injury and his game is very physical

Never been a great fan of Reyes, but respect to his career. I think he has more name than Bouroussis

Reyes has been ACB MVP of the regular season, ACB finals MVP, has won 2 ACB leagues, has won world and european championship playing an important role...

I think Bouroussis hasnt won nothing yet...

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Ok Im sorry, I messed up. I was thinking that you said Real Madrid were willing to pay Darko 21 million dollars per 3 years

10 million dollars per 3 years, which is something like 7.5 million euros sounds more reasonable. 2.5 million euros I believe they can pay it, but definitely more than that

On the other hand I think you are underestimating Reyes. At the time Bouroussis was warming up the bench of Barcelona, Reyes was a very dominating player on ACB. Reyes has been the leader of Madrid for the last 5 years.Now Reyes is on low form because he has returned from a long injury and his game is very physical

Never been a great fan of Reyes, but respect to his career. I think he has more name than Bouroussis

Reyes has been ACB MVP of the regular season, ACB finals MVP, has won 2 ACB leagues, has won world and european championship playing an important role...

I think Bouroussis hasnt won nothing yet...

If you mean to say that Reyes is more well known in Spain then you are right. if you mean to say that in Europe Reyes is considered a better player then you are wrong. And Bourousis also has a European championship.

Yes, 2.5 million euros per year for Darko. The $21.7 million dollars is GROSS. You know how NBA teams pay in GROSS money. European clubs in NET money. The $21.7 million DOLLARS GROSS. That is so that NBA fans understand how much the money is.

Remember that if an NBA fan sees a European salary of 2.5 million they think it is 2.5 million probably dollars and gross, not 2.5 million euros net. So to clarify, in NBA salary terms Darko would make $21.7 million. That is how much he would make the way the NBA counts salary.

In Real Madrid's way of counting it would be €7.5 million. For 6 million euros net a year I do not believe any team in Europe would pay Darko that. I suppose that in theory Olympiacos might do it but I seriously doubt it. Darko has never proven himself to be a good player anywhere except maybe on Serbia's national team and even then he went nuts and lost his mind then.

Real would never in a million years pay Darko that much. I never said anything like that. You just got NBA salary - dollars and gross and European salary - euros and net mixed up. Just like gencbiba got the tax issue messed up.

[jody]

why is linas keiza out of the NBA? got payed more to play in greece, or what?

[Lakas Fan Yo]

why is linas keiza out of the NBA? got payed more to play in greece, or what?

The NBA minimum per season or $6.6 million net per season (so you can double that for a comparable NBA gross salary), which would you choose?