Here we go again.....Suns ready to trade Amare Stoudemire!!!!!

[bagelred]

After recent discussions with Amar’e Stoudemire’s(notes) agent that didn’t appear to destine a contract extension, the Phoenix Suns have increased their efforts to trade the All-Star forward, league sources told Yahoo! Sports on Sunday night.

League executives say the Suns have become more active initiating talks over the past few days, and believe the franchise will take the best offer for Stoudemire before the Feb. 18 trade deadline. The Chicago Bulls, Miami Heat, Philadelphia 76ers and New Jersey Nets are among multiple teams that have a strong interest in Stoudemire, sources say. The Arizona Republic reported Sunday night that the Golden State Warriors and Cleveland Cavaliers have also inquired about Stoudemire.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-stoudemiresuns012510&prov=yhoo&type=lgns



Predictions? I could see Deven Harris and filler to Suns, or even Al Jefferson from Wolves.

I don't see Knicks in on this action at all.......

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

Rudy Gay for Amare make contracts work and get it done.

[godofgods]

***** should've been traded when the Suns had the chance to get KG from the Wolves. They would've gotten at least 1 ring by now, maybe two.

[HylianNightmare]

if he gets traded to the east coase will he still start for the west?

hope he stays the suns have been fun as hell to watch this year

[goldenryan]

ty thomas and hinrich for stat

[ProfessorMurder]

Why in the world would the Suns want Devin Harris? They've got Nash and Dragic that fit their system perfectly.

Harris is not worth getting for Stoudemire. Big Al, or another big on the trading block could be though.

[ProfessorMurder]

If he's going to go some place else, might as well get anything in return for him.

But what would be his value to the team. They'd just unload him again.

I'm sure you can get someone better for Amar'e than you could for Harris. Maybe that's just me.

[HylianNightmare]

Suns and Knicks
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ny85n2

Bucks and Suns
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjaxh3a

[Venja42]

Suns and Knicks
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ny85n2

Bucks and Suns
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjaxh3a

Eddy Curry has another player option, no way he waves that. Plus he's less productive than a sack of potatoes.

Michael Redd is out for the year, so...pointless...

[bagelred]

Suns and Knicks
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ny85n2

Bucks and Suns
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjaxh3a

Well, if those are Kerr's only two options, clearly the Knicks trade is better. At least Jeffries is healthy.:lol

[HylianNightmare]

Well, if those are Kerr's only two options, clearly the Knicks trade is better. At least Jeffries is healthy.:lol
only 2 options so yeah i guess the knicks take this one, oh well

[Venja42]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykhd932

If money isn't a major issue (which it is) and they want to get guys to help them compete and can fit their system.

I'm sure people will scratch their heads about Dalembart but he's athletic enough to fit that running system and D'antonie actually wanted him a few years ago.

[Venja42]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=clhn33

The Bulls...

[Venja42]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfrj4bk

Cavs

[StroShow4]

Rudy Gay for Amare make contracts work and get it done.

Maybe you forgot, but you already have Gasol and ZBo in the frontcourt in Memphis.

[ChuckOakley]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhozttb

NETS

Yi
C.Lee or T.Williams
Battie (exp)
Hayes (exp)
2010 DAL #1
Future #2
$3m Cash
4.5 TPE

for

Amare
T.Griffin
Amundson

[GreatGreg]

Steve Nash WILL Transform Tyrus Thomas into a 20/10 guy if he gets traded to Phoenix.... Count on it...

[wang4three]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhozttb

NETS

Yi
C.Lee or T.Williams
Battie (exp)
Hayes (exp)
2010 DAL #1
Future #2
$3m Cash
4.5 TPE

for

Amare
T.Griffin
Amundson

Lets hope its Courtney instead of Terrence. But sign me up for this deal!!

[The GM]

No way he get's traded unless they get a Maggette & Randolph from the Warriros in return that would probably be the best deal cause the Wolves aren't going to trade Al Jeff for someone who's gonna be a FA at the end of the season and is probably 99% sure he won't re-sign.

[ChuckOakley]

Lets hope its Courtney instead of Terrence. But sign me up for this deal!!
It does look better than 95% of the other trades I've seen offered.
I wouldn't care who we traded of Lee, T.Will or CDR if we could land Amare.

Assuming we don't land Wall....

Harris / T.Will
CDR / T.Will
E.Turner or W.Johnson
Amare / Humphries
Lopez / Humprhies
+
~$15m in cap space
Possibly enough cap space for another Max FA.

Me like.

[bagelred]

I think Warriors can put together solid package of Biedrins and Curry as main pieces.

[beasted86]

I think Warriors can put together solid package of Biedrins and Curry as main pieces.
Didn't the Warriors clearly change their mind on this once they drafted Curry? :confusedshrug:

If they were willing to do that, it would have been done a long time ago.

[RaceBannana]

He

[swe_suns]

lol, dragic won't be traded...

[niko]

Is Sheridan in love with the Cavs like Bucher has Kobe love? Last week he was a driving force in the Cavs getting West (for nothing) rumors, now he was the Cavs getting Stoudamire (also for nothing). He keeps saying over and over the Suns won't get any good offers AT FIRST, so the Cavs will probably get him. It's so illogical - it's like something a Cav fan would post.

For example, the Heat could give better young talent, same expirer, etc. BUT the Cavs would get him first. Why?

And before the Cav fans give me ****, why is your garbage better than Team B or Team C's garbage that it's a lock you get a top flight player for nothing?

[LA_Showtime]

Stoudemire and a 1st rounder for Gordon (or Hamilton), Prince, and Brown.

[lakers_forever]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yh6e6zw

Amare and Barbosa for Bynum, Farmar, Sasha and Morrison.

[DukeDelonte13]

Is Sheridan in love with the Cavs like Bucher has Kobe love? Last week he was a driving force in the Cavs getting West (for nothing) rumors, now he was the Cavs getting Stoudamire (also for nothing). He keeps saying over and over the Suns won't get any good offers AT FIRST, so the Cavs will probably get him. It's so illogical - it's like something a Cav fan would post.

For example, the Heat could give better young talent, same expirer, etc. BUT the Cavs would get him first. Why?


heat aren't into taking on more salary until wade signs an extension. cavs are in spend mode, hence the cavs rumors. I doubt stat will wind up on the cavs though.

[DukeDelonte13]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yh6e6zw

Amare and Barbosa for Bynum, Farmar, Sasha and Morrison.

thats bad for LA imo. The last thing they need is another big that's soft on D.

[niko]

heat aren't into taking on more salary until wade signs an extension. cavs are in spend mode, hence the cavs rumors. I doubt stat will wind up on the cavs though.

Heat could take on Stoudamire, extend Wade, and STILL have $8 million left. Plus stat can be an expirer. There is no logic there.

Note: I'm not saying the Cavs have no chance, i just don't get Sheridan's logic that they have MORE chance.

[crisoner]

I think this is a clear sign the Amare will leave the Suns.

I hope he goes to the Warriors would love to see him play Nelly ball with Ellis.

[big baller]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yh6e6zw

Amare and Barbosa for Bynum, Farmar, Sasha and Morrison.


Me like.

I also like the Detroit scenario...lets see how this plays out.

[big baller]

thats bad for LA imo. The last thing they need is another big that's soft on D.


They get Barbosa for the bench crew though...and Amare>>>Bynum.

[beasted86]

heat aren't into taking on more salary until wade signs an extension. cavs are in spend mode, hence the cavs rumors. I doubt stat will wind up on the cavs though.
No, I don't think you get it.

He's asking why the Suns are giving up Stat for Cleveland's garbage? Both Bucher & Sheridan seem to have favoritism where they give up mediocre players or garbage for all-stars.

Be real with yourself... Phoenix can do much better than Hickson & Z and a 29th-30th pick in the draft.

[DukeDelonte13]

No, I don't think you get it.

He's asking why the Suns are giving up Stat for Cleveland's garbage? Both Bucher & Sheridan seem to have favoritism where they give up mediocre players or garbage for all-stars.

Be real with yourself... Phoenix can do much better than Hickson & Z and a 29th-30th pick in the draft.


maybe i misunderstood, i thought it was who was more likely to make the trade. Heat haven't took on any more significant cap space while the cavs have been piling it on. Who the hell knows what the terms of these deals are going to be anyways? Regardless, J.J. is a solid young 20 year old who has shown great potential. I think if the cavs made the deal it would be JJ, Z, and Green/Jawad/Jackson.

[beasted86]

Heat could take on Stoudamire, extend Wade, and STILL have $8 million left. Plus stat can be an expirer. There is no logic there.

Note: I'm not saying the Cavs have no chance, i just don't get Sheridan's logic that they have MORE chance.
I don't think the Heat would give up Beasley for Stoudemire. So I don't see anything happening.

But I agree, no team is going to get Stoudemire for junk.

[beasted86]

maybe i misunderstood, i thought it was who was more likely to make the trade. Heat haven't took on any more significant cap space while the cavs have been piling it on. Who the hell knows what the terms of these deals are going to be anyways? Regardless, J.J. is a solid young 20 year old who has shown great potential. I think if the cavs made the deal it would be JJ, Z, and Green/Jawad/Jackson.
Yeah, you are looking at it completely wrong. There are tons of teams lining up to offer garbage, or take advantage in a trade... that doesn't suddenly make the Cavs the most likely trade partner.

The spin Sheridan is trying to put on it is Cleveland is one of the few teams offering garbage that have a high % chance of re-signing Stat, while many others don't because they won't have LeBron or that type of star there to convince him... but that doesn't make them more likely to get him BY FAR.

[AKADS]

One thing is teams like the Heat want to get under the tax to get there 4 million for being under. The Suns if they trade Amare will also want to get under that number which means the Suns will want to take on less salaries. So unless Miami decides to stay over the tax they won't want take on more salary.

Cleveland is willing to add as much money as it would take to win. i agree its not likely and these guys have an agenda. But they also just said what teams inquired and well Ferry is inquiring about everyone since Gilbert has opened his wallet to do whatever he wants.

[DukeDelonte13]

One thing is teams like the Heat want to get under the tax to get there 4 million for being under. The Suns if they trade Amare will also want to get under that number which means the Suns will want to take on less salaries. So unless Miami decides to stay over the tax they won't want take on more salary.

Cleveland is willing to add as much money as it would take to win. i agree its not likely and these guys have an agenda. But they also just said what teams inquired and well Ferry is inquiring about everyone since Gilbert has opened his wallet to do whatever he wants.
:applause: that's what i'm saying yet some would say its "illogical"

[Kingwillball]

Heat could take on Stoudamire, extend Wade, and STILL have $8 million left. Plus stat can be an expirer. There is no logic there.

Note: I'm not saying the Cavs have no chance, i just don't get Sheridan's logic that they have MORE chance.


The Reason Why Cavs have a GOOD chance is because Amare wants to play for a winner and would not resign with GS,Minn or NJ.. I think he would be willing to stay long term with a team like Bulls,MIA or Cavs. Another reason why Cavs push envelope to get him or another big name player it gives them a better chance to resign Lebron as he has hinted.

[niko]

:applause: that's what i'm saying yet some would say its "illogical"

Miami wouldn't be taking on more money, they'd have the same payroll next year either way, unless you think they don't care about keeping Wade as much as Cleveland cares about keepign Lebron. The "we are not doing anything until Wade resigns" fell by the wayside a while ago.

My point is Cleveland offerng Hickson, expirer and really crappy pick might get it done if Phoenix gets no btter offers, but why would they get no better offers?

[ChuckOakley]

The Reason Why Cavs have a GOOD chance is because Amare wants to play for a winner and would not resign with GS,Minn or NJ.. I think he would be willing to stay long term with a team like Bulls,MIA or Cavs. Another reason why Cavs push envelope to get him or another big name player it gives them a better chance to resign Lebron as he has hinted.

Of all the top FA's I think NJ has the best shot at Amare.
and no I'm not saying relative to other teams, rather relative to other top FA (LBJ, Wade, JJ, Bosh)

-Amare has openly recently praised NJ's potential
-He has openly recently talked about wanting to be in a major market (NY/NJ with Brooklyn 2 years away)
-NJ is soon too have the 2nd richest owner
-NJ would pay him Max
-NJ would allow him to be #1 on offense possibly for some time

Does anyone know what Amare's cap hold would be?
Also what would the max starting salary for him be?
30% of the cap?

[niko]

One thing is teams like the Heat want to get under the tax to get there 4 million for being under. The Suns if they trade Amare will also want to get under that number which means the Suns will want to take on less salaries. So unless Miami decides to stay over the tax they won't want take on more salary.

Cleveland is willing to add as much money as it would take to win. i agree its not likely and these guys have an agenda. But they also just said what teams inquired and well Ferry is inquiring about everyone since Gilbert has opened his wallet to do whatever he wants.

Since when did Miami become this salary dumping team and not trying to improve? Beasted86, please enlighten me because i missed this.

[DukeDelonte13]

Miami wouldn't be taking on more money, they'd have the same payroll next year either way, unless you think they don't care about keeping Wade as much as Cleveland cares about keepign Lebron. The "we are not doing anything until Wade resigns" fell by the wayside a while ago.

My point is Cleveland offerng Hickson, expirer and really crappy pick might get it done if Phoenix gets no btter offers, but why would they get no better offers?

yeah i see where you are getting at. Who's to say whether or not the heat decide to push for Amare? It'l be fun speculating but i see him staying.

[beasted86]

Miami wouldn't be taking on more money, they'd have the same payroll next year either way, unless you think they don't care about keeping Wade as much as Cleveland cares about keepign Lebron. The "we are not doing anything until Wade resigns" fell by the wayside a while ago.

My point is Cleveland offerng Hickson, expirer and really crappy pick might get it done if Phoenix gets no btter offers, but why would they get no better offers?
Apparently they think Cleveland is the only team willing to offer junk, to get back an all-star. :lol

Miami would trade for Stoudemire in a heartbeat as long as they aren't giving up Wade or Beasley... similarly Cleveland would trade anyone not named LeBron or Mo Williams. I can run through about 10 more scenarios of teams trading junk for an all-star, that are willing to take on the extra money.

[AKADS]

Miami has been talking about trading Dorrel Wright to get under the cap. I think its just to save money cause they know that they aren't goin to make a deep run this season.

[ChuckOakley]

If Beasley is off the table, what exactly could offer that isn't junk?

I think the Nets have by far one of tghe best packages if the goal is to win over Pheonix.

NETS
Yi
C.Lee or T.Williams
Battie (exp)
Hayes (exp)
2010 DAL #1
Future #2
$3m Cash
4.5 TPE

for

Amare
T.Griffin
Amundson

That trade nets the Suns about $15m in savings from a. lowered payroll b. tax savings c. dispersed tax money d. cash from NJ. In addition to young talent (Yi, Lee or T.Will), picks and expirers.

[beasted86]

Miami has been talking about trading Dorrel Wright to get under the cap. I think its just to save money cause they know that they aren't goin to make a deep run this season.
Yeah that's true... but if they could give up junk for Stoudemire, they'll abandon trying to get under the luxury tax.

If you still don't think Miami would do it, consider this for a second. Miami has all expiring contracts, right? So if they created some package of Haslem, and some other garbage for Stoudemire... and it doesn't work out and Stoudemire left at the end of the season... what did they really lose? Junk that was expiring anyway, that they weren't planning on re-signing????

If it works out, great, now you have a core to build around while you still have the MLE and other exceptions to make the team better rather than being limited by the salary cap.

Miami is trading anyone not named Wade or Beasley, without a doubt.

[beasted86]

If Beasley is off the table, what exactly could offer that isn't junk?

I think the Nets have by far one of tghe best packages if the goal is to win over Pheonix.

NETS
Yi
C.Lee or T.Williams
Battie (exp)
Hayes (exp)
2010 DAL #1
Future #2
$3m Cash
4.5 TPE

for

Amare
T.Griffin
Amundson

That trade nets the Suns about $15m in savings from a. lowered payroll b. tax savings c. dispersed tax money d. cash from NJ. In addition to young talent (Yi, Lee or T.Will), picks and expirers.
Who didn't acknowledge the Heat would be trading junk... similar to Cleveland trading junk. Even that package you describe above... yeah, it's junk.

Just better junk than Miami or Cleveland can offer. :ohwell:

[ChuckOakley]

Yeah that's true... but if they could give up junk for Stoudemire, they'll abandon trying to get under the luxury tax.

If you still don't think Miami would do it, consider this for a second. Miami has all expiring contracts, right? So if they created some package of Haslem, and some other garbage for Stoudemire... and it doesn't work out and Stoudemire left at the end of the season... what did they really lose? Junk that was expiring anyway, that they weren't planning on re-signing????

If it works out, great, now you have a core to build around while you still have the MLE and other exceptions to make the team better rather than being limited by the salary cap.

Miami is trading anyone not named Wade or Beasley, without a doubt.

Why would Amare leave:
a. Miami life
b. no income tax
c. playing with Wade
?

Would you guys not pay him the Max or something?

I think it's pretty clear whoever trades for him would be the favorites to retain him and would talk to him and his agent beforehand. So basically I would assume any deal is done under the assumption they are keeping him.I don't think junk will land Amare. Outside of Wade and Beasley, Miami only has junk... and they are adamanet about staying under the tax, so I'm not sure they can offer Pheonix immediate savings either.

[ChuckOakley]

Who didn't acknowledge the Heat would be trading junk... similar to Cleveland trading junk. Even that package you describe above... yeah, it's junk.

Just better junk than Miami or Cleveland can offer. :ohwell:

Much better, IMO.
With the ability to add even more picks, NJ has up to 10 in the next 3 drafts.
Also NJ is not near the lux tax this seasons so they could take on alot of salary.

[Pharcyde]

Golden State is the only team I can see completely over selling. They have Randolph, Morrow, Azubuike, Bell, Curry etc. that they will probably offer. I remember Amare expressing disinterest in going there, but who knows.

It would be really hilarious to see them trade for him though only for him to sign somewhere else in the offseason.

[beasted86]

Why would Amare leave:
a. Miami life
b. no income tax
c. playing with Wade
?

Would you guys not pay him the Max or something?

I think it's pretty clear whoever trades for him would be the favorites to retain him and would talk to him and his agent beforehand. So basically I would assume any deal is done under the assumption they are keeping him.I don't think junk will land Amare. Outside of Wade and Beasley, Miami only has junk... and they are adamanet about staying under the tax, so I'm not sure they can offer Pheonix immediate savings either.
I assume he wouldn't, but I just used that as an example to show him... what exactly does the Heat have to lose trading for Amare if we aren't including Wade or Beasley? they get to lose junk?!? :oldlol:

And BTW, if we traded for Stoudemire, and took on extra salary then dumped Wright the same way we were planning, we wouldn't be adding any salary at all. We also have a trade exception similar to the Nets that we could use if we included junk. But at the end of the day, Nets, Miami, Cleveland... nobody is giving up garbage for Stoudemire. Phoenix isn't looking for a salary dump. They are looking for young quality talent in return, while also getting cash savings, and there aren't a whole lot of teams able to deliver on that... so I honestly see Stat staying for the rest of the season.

[tsforthrees]

yeah Golden State has the goods. I think Minnesota could probably make an enticing offer as well.

Phoenix needs to be careful with this or they are going to blow up and have to rebuild, and steve nash is going to be gone. jason richardson will be right out the door behind him.

[PleezeBelieve]

So you think Amare would leave Phoenix at the end of the year but not NJ?

This whole process comes down to finding where Amare wants to go.

Simple as that.

[ChuckOakley]

So you think Amare would leave Phoenix at the end of the year but not NJ?

This whole process comes down to finding where Amare wants to go.

Simple as that.

If Pheonix is looking to trade him after the agent and managment met, I'm assuming it means Pheonix isn't willing to offer the 6 year max money that amare wants. NJ would.

Again Amare has made too very telling statement recently about the potential he sees in the Nets and his desire to play in a major market.

[beasted86]

So you think Amare would leave Phoenix at the end of the year but not NJ?

This whole process comes down to finding where Amare wants to go.

Simple as that.
...and where Phoenix gets a quality player in return. They aren't salary dumping Stat. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble if they thought so.

[artest 93]

Amare wants/would prefer:
1) a (big) market
2) a competitive/winning team
3) if not a winning team now, one that will be soon
4) an organization ready and willing to make the effort

Put that with salary/talent issues and it should, realistically, be only a handful of teams left. Maybe none. :lol

[ChuckOakley]

I assume he wouldn't, but I just used that as an example to show him... what exactly does the Heat have to lose trading for Amare if we aren't including Wade or Beasley? they get to lose junk?!? :oldlol:

And BTW, if we traded for Stoudemire, and took on extra salary then dumped Wright the same way we were planning, we wouldn't be adding any salary at all. We also have a trade exception similar to the Nets that we could use if we included junk. But at the end of the day, Nets, Miami, Cleveland... nobody is giving up garbage for Stoudemire. Phoenix isn't looking for a salary dump. They are looking for young quality talent in return, while also getting cash savings, and there aren't a whole lot of teams able to deliver on that... so I honestly see Stat staying for the rest of the season.

So are you saying or conceding that Miami ultimatelty doesn't want or wouldn't pay the price, or be able to pay the price to get Amare?

In other words, IMO:
No Beasley = No Amare.

And you are fine with that, and let someone else have him?

[Pharcyde]

Phoenix isn't looking for a salary dump. They are looking for young quality talent in return, while also getting cash savings

http://tigertv.tv/wp-content/uploads//2009/08/tyrus_thomas3.png

:roll:

[HighFlyer23]

stoudemire would be a perfec fit for the sixers

[All Net]

I think it will take Z,Hickson, 2 picks and cash for the Suns to consider trading Amare to Cleveland. That said it is more likely Cavs get Jamison than anybody else.

[beasted86]

So are you saying or conceding that Miami ultimatelty doesn't want or wouldn't pay the price, or be able to pay the price to get Amare?

In other words, IMO:
No Beasley = No Amare.

And you are fine with that, and let someone else have him?
Yeah. I'm saying Miami isn't giving up Beasley, so wouldn't get Amare. Similarly, the Nets aren't giving up Lopez, so wouldn't get Amare. Cleveland isn't giving up LeBron, so wouldn't get Amare.

No team at all is getting Amare for junk. No matter how trivially better their junk might be than the next team. Phoenix isn't dumping him, they will either hold onto him for the rest of the year, or they will get at least comparable talent back.

Just like last year there were all types of rumors flying... but at the end of the day, teams were offering junk, so Phoenix kept him.

[bagelred]

Yeah. I'm saying Miami isn't giving up Beasley, so wouldn't get Amare. Similarly, the Nets aren't giving up Lopez, so wouldn't get Amare. Cleveland isn't giving up LeBron, so wouldn't get Amare.

No team at all is getting Amare for junk. No matter how trivially better their junk might be than the next team. Phoenix isn't dumping him, they will either hold onto him for the rest of the year, or they will get at least comparable talent back.

This, of course, makes no sense because then they get nothing.

Sometimes you have to know when to get $.70 on the $1. If they get a couple nice young player or promising rookie scale guys, they'll do it.

[PleezeBelieve]

...and where Phoenix gets a quality player in return. They aren't salary dumping Stat. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble if they thought so.
It has very little to due with quality players cause Amare is gone regardless and it pooks like the Suns are a 6-8 seed if that.

Only one team fits an advantageous criteria for both the Suns organization and Amare.

Cleveland.

They can offer the Suns immediate and long-term salary cap relief while supplying a 'young' talent who plays the samr position as Amare.

And the Cavs offer Amare the immediate and long-term prospect of winning a championship while still getting paid top dollar.

But let me guess, this is utter nonsense, right? He should come play in Miami for a .500 team just to wiggle his hips on South Beach during the season and bank his savings on his state income taxes. :rolleyes:

[bagelred]

But let me guess, this is utter nonsense, right?

Yes it is utter nonsense. What can the Cavs possibly offer? JJ Hickson?

What salary cap relief? When Amare leaves for nothing....that IS the salary cap relief right there.

Other teams simply have more to offer. Cavs do not have any elite young talent or high draft picks.

[niko]

It has very little to due with quality players cause Amare is gone regardless and it pooks like the Suns are a 6-8 seed if that.

Only one team fits an advantageous criteria for both the Suns organization and Amare.

Cleveland.

They can offer the Suns immediate and long-term salary cap relief while supplying a 'young' talent who plays the samr position as Amare.

And the Cavs offer Amare the immediate and long-term prospect of winning a championship while still getting paid top dollar.

But let me guess, this is utter nonsense, right? He should come play in Miami for a .500 team just to wiggle his hips on South Beach during the season and bank his savings on his state income taxes. :rolleyes:

There are other teams that could fit the criteria. Dallas for one. Dallas fills every criteria. You also could have the situation where someone else will take on OTHER bad contracts, not just Amare. The whole point, which you (and a few others) missed because you have stupidity laced tunnel vision, is that Clevelan'd first crappy offer doesn't mean they are locks to get Amare, the same way they wouldn't get West (and the Cav fans argued me to death on that one and i said NO would rather just drop a little salary to get under the cap, which they continued to do today and DIDNT drop west).

The Suns are not going to make this trade to accomodate Amare - they will do it to accomodate themselves. If Amare likes the move and they don't, they will simply NOT extend him. Why trade him for expirers? HE IS AN EXPIRER. It's the reason TMAC isn't a Knick, you don't trade valuable expirers for crap expirers. Ultimately this will come down to someone cracking and givng a valuable young asset (i said Valaube, i.e not Hickson) or taking more salary from the Suns other than Amare.

[beasted86]

This, of course, makes no sense because then they get nothing.

Sometimes you have to know when to get $.70 on the $1. If they get a couple nice young player or promising rookie scale guys, they'll do it.
It makes perfect "crazy" sense, just like everything that has been going on in Phoenix for the past year and a half

-Trade a 20/10 SF in his prime for an aging Shaq who was injured at the time with Miami
-Fire D'Antoni for a rookie coach, then fire that coach for an assistant coach who uses the same system as D'Antoni, but is less effective doing so
- Re-sign a 36yr old Nash & 38yr old Hill to long term big contracts, knowing full well your team can't make a title run with the current roster

The Suns could have dumped Stoudemire a while ago for good talent. The Warriors were offering Beidrins & their pick. Bulls were offering Tyrus Thomas, Salmons, and picks... Teams offered talent but it wasn't good enough. The Suns have been doing stupid moves for a while now. They will also hold out for a good deal, and if they don't get one, will hold onto Stoudemire, and somehow think they will convince him to re-sign at the end of the season.

[beasted86]

There are other teams that could fit the criteria. Dallas for one. Dallas fills every criteria. You also could have the situation where someone else will take on OTHER bad contracts, not just Amare. The whole point, which you (and a few others) missed because you have stupidity laced tunnel vision, is that Clevelan'd first crappy offer doesn't mean they are locks to get Amare, the same way they wouldn't get West (and the Cav fans argued me to death on that one and i said NO would rather just drop a little salary to get under the cap, which they continued to do today and DIDNT drop west).

The Suns are not going to make this trade to accomodate Amare - they will do it to accomodate themselves. If Amare likes the move and they don't, they will simply NOT extend him. Why trade him for expirers? HE IS AN EXPIRER. It's the reason TMAC isn't a Knick, you don't trade valuable expirers for crap expirers. Ultimately this will come down to someone cracking and givng a valuable young asset (i said Valaube, i.e not Hickson) or taking more salary from the Suns other than Amare.
This is crazy talk... don't you get it?

Junk will get you an all-star in this league. Everyone is as stupid as Memphis. :rolleyes:

[ChuckOakley]

Yeah. I'm saying Miami isn't giving up Beasley, so wouldn't get Amare. Similarly, the Nets aren't giving up Lopez, so wouldn't get Amare. Cleveland isn't giving up LeBron, so wouldn't get Amare.

No team at all is getting Amare for junk. No matter how trivially better their junk might be than the next team. Phoenix isn't dumping him, they will either hold onto him for the rest of the year, or they will get at least comparable talent back.

Just like last year there were all types of rumors flying... but at the end of the day, teams were offering junk, so Phoenix kept him.

There is a big difference between Beasley and LBJ and even one between Lopez and Beasley. Both players are better (1 ridiculously so..LBJ) and both are their team's best players.

Point being NJ has a much better chance of getting Amare using the package I listed versus the package you have yet to offer, but would not contain more talent/youth, savings or picks than what NJ could. (unless Beasley was offerd)

Maybe the NJ offerisn't good enough to get Amare, but I'm sure there are teams that could get him w/o sacrificing the farm.




So, all I really want to know is

Say Pheonix has 5 offers for Amare, and the team getting him, is the clear cut leader in keeping him and expected to keep him.....

If Pheonix said give us Beasley in your package and you can have him you would say:

"No thanks, let someone else have him."
?

[PleezeBelieve]

Yes it is utter nonsense. What can the Cavs possibly offer? JJ Hickson?

What salary cap relief? When Amare leaves for nothing....that IS the salary cap relief right there.

Other teams simply have more to offer. Cavs do not have any elite young talent or high draft picks.
Presumably Cavs would include cash for a Z buyout which would essentially mean the Suns would get under the cap ASAP, be eligible for luxury tax dividends, and get a JJ Hickson and picks in the process.

This trade is not that hard to fanthom.

[AKADS]

Presumably Cavs would include cash for a Z buyout which would essentially mean the Suns would get under the cap ASAP, be eligible for luxury tax dividends, and get a JJ Hickson and picks in the process.

This trade is not that hard to fanthom.
All Cavs fans would love that trade. But its not goin to happen.

[beasted86]

So, all I really want to know is

Say Pheonix has 5 offers for Amare, and the team getting him, is the clear cut leader in keeping him and expected to keep him.....

If Pheonix said give us Beasley in your package and you can have him you would say:

"No thanks, let someone else have him."
?

Miami has a chance to get LeBron or Bosh using cap space in 2010, as well as Stoudemire himself. As well as any combination of talent that makes them as good or better than losing Beasley for Stoudemire.

It would be pretty dumb to make that trade. I would pass if I was Riley.

[ChuckOakley]

Presumably Cavs would include cash for a Z buyout which would essentially mean the Suns would get under the cap ASAP, be eligible for luxury tax dividends, and get a JJ Hickson and picks in the process.

This trade is not that hard to fanthom.
Let's see a trade that works both financially and practically (roster spots match up) and post some real numbers and savings.

Then let's compare it to this:

NETS
Yi
C.Lee or T.Williams
Battie (exp)
Hayes (exp)
2010 DAL #1
Future #2
$3m Cash
4.5 TPE

for

Amare
T.Griffin
Amundson

~$15m in savings
a. lowered payroll
b. tax savings
c. dispersed tax money
d. cash from NJ.

Not to mention the marketing benefits of Yi.

[PleezeBelieve]

There are other teams that could fit the criteria. Dallas for one. Dallas fills every criteria. You also could have the situation where someone else will take on OTHER bad contracts, not just Amare. The whole point, which you (and a few others) missed because you have stupidity laced tunnel vision, is that Clevelan'd first crappy offer doesn't mean they are locks to get Amare, the same way they wouldn't get West (and the Cav fans argued me to death on that one and i said NO would rather just drop a little salary to get under the cap, which they continued to do today and DIDNT drop west).

The Suns are not going to make this trade to accomodate Amare - they will do it to accomodate themselves. If Amare likes the move and they don't, they will simply NOT extend him. Why trade him for expirers? HE IS AN EXPIRER. It's the reason TMAC isn't a Knick, you don't trade valuable expirers for crap expirers. Ultimately this will come down to someone cracking and givng a valuable young asset (i said Valaube, i.e not Hickson) or taking more salary from the Suns other than Amare.
You're am idiot.

Why would Amare want to go to Dallas? :oldlol:

He'd have to play center and get ate up by the Lakers again.

And as far as your other point, nothing in a deal with the Cavs adds salary to Phoenix's payroll. If anything all this expirer talk gets accelerated in a Cleveland deal cause the Cavs would send them money to buy out Z's deal.

[ChuckOakley]

Miami has a chance to get LeBron or Bosh using cap space in 2010, as well as Stoudemire himself. As well as any combination of talent that makes them as good or better than losing Beasley for Stoudemire.

It would be pretty dumb to make that trade. I would pass if I was Riley.

How does Miami have the chance to get 3 max FAs?
I don't see how that is possible for any team given cap holds and salary amounts.

[bagelred]

Miami has a chance to get LeBron or Bosh using cap space in 2010, as well as Stoudemire himself. As well as any combination of talent that makes them as good or better than losing Beasley for Stoudemire.

It would be pretty dumb to make that trade. I would pass if I was Riley.

Agreed. Miami is waiting for summer 2010. They don't need to trade for Amare to get him. They could get him in the summer and still have Beasley...or use Beasley as trade bait in summer.

[ChuckOakley]

Miami has a chance to get LeBron or Bosh using cap space in 2010, as well as Stoudemire himself. As well as any combination of talent that makes them as good or better than losing Beasley for Stoudemire.

It would be pretty dumb to make that trade. I would pass if I was Riley.

Then seemingly you should take yourself / Miami out of this thread, because I see no incentive for Pheonix to make a deal with Miami.

[bagelred]

How does Miami have the chance to get 3 max FAs?
I don't see how that is possible for any team given cap holds and salary amounts.

3 Max Players + 10 D League Contracts.

[guy]

Posted this in the other thread:

As long as we don't trade Rose or Noah, I'm happy. People might think it would be stupid to not give up Noah for Amare, but I don't. At this point, Amare is not much more valuable then Noah. Noah is a much better rebounder and defender, and unlike Amare, he doesn't seem to care about anything but winning, and he's younger and not as injury-prone. With that said, I would still love to have Amare. Rose and Amare would complement each other so well, and Noah and Amare would play great alongside each other in the front court making up for much of each other's flaws.

There's two scenarios for the Bulls: Deng + Thomas for Amare or Miller + Thomas for Amare. They also might need to add one of the rookies and/or a draft pick. I'm not sure if Phoenix would want to take Deng's contract or not. I'm kind of split on which trade I'd rather make, cause I don't know if I'd rather give up Deng or not. On one hand he has a bad contract. On the other hand, he's been playing great lately, and there's nothing that says we'll get a better player at SF or SG anytime soon. We'd be quite strong at 4 out of 5 positions if we traded Miller instead of Deng.


Here's a crazy idea I thought of. What about Amare to the Celtics straight up for KG? We all know the Suns were looking to get KG a few years ago, but like idiots they were unwilling to give up Amare. The Celtics right now are still a pretty good team without KG, who's old and pretty injury prone since last year. Maybe the Celtics would give up KG for Amare to contend while still building for the future around Amare/Rondo/Perkins? While the Suns would do the deal in hopes of KG doing in Phoenix what he did in Boston.

I highly doubt the Celtics would give up KG for Amare just cause its possible it might really piss off the fans, but I think there's reasons for both teams to do it.

I'd still rather have Amare on the Bulls though.

[beasted86]

Presumably Cavs would include cash for a Z buyout which would essentially mean the Suns would get under the cap ASAP, be eligible for luxury tax dividends, and get a JJ Hickson and picks in the process.

This trade is not that hard to fanthom.
The limit is $3M cash in any trade.

Okay, so Hickson + Z + minimum filler (Williams, Jackson, Green) saves them $2.5M... then say they buy out Z for $1M (why would he give back more?). The Suns in the end save $3.5M dollars, and get Hickson and the 29th or 30th first round pick.

So in the end, you think a package of t$3.5M savings, Hickson, and the 29th pick is better than anything anyone else can give?

[beasted86]

How does Miami have the chance to get 3 max FAs?
I don't see how that is possible for any team given cap holds and salary amounts.
You read it wrong. They have cap space for LeBron, Bosh, or Stoudemire.

[niko]

The limit is $3M cash in any trade.

Okay, so Hickson + Z + minimum filler (Williams, Jackson, Green) saves them $2.5M... then say they buy out Z for $1M (why would he give back more?). The Suns in the end save $3.5M dollars, and get Hickson and the 29th or 30th first round pick.

So in the end, you think a package of t$3.5M savings, Hickson, and the 29th pick is better than anything anyone else can give?

Yes, we are all idiots except him. Because why would Amare want to go to Dallas, Miami, when he could go to Cleveland, the greatest city in the world. Apparently (and i wasn't aware of this) where he wants to go not only is paramount, but he wants to go to Cleveland. Who wouldnt! It's poor, it's cold, it's like the 4,000th biggest market in the world, and it has partial chinese ownership! Pass the fortune cookies and the snow shovel, better yet trade them for Amare.

This has nothing to do with Cleveland, there are 30 teams, no one has made real offers yet, why the hell would a first little crappy offer from Cleveland be such a lock to go through.

[Soundwave]

By hook or by crook, the Cavs have to get this deal done.

I mean I guess you can say "well such and such is an excuse" but at some point as a management group ... you simply just gotta get sh*t done.

The Cavs have had LeBron for five years now and in that time they have never been able to bring in a secondary 20 ppg-type of scoring option for him.

It's just not good for the NBA as a whole IMO either to have the best player playing on a team that's just "OK" around, great players need at least one other high-end talent to play with. Maybe the Duncan-Spurs-era sorta tight roped around that rule, but by and large that's how it's always been.

[Myth]

If only the Blazers hadn't signed an extension with Aldridge yet. We could try to package a trade revolving around Aldridge + other talent for Amare.

[beasted86]

Then seemingly you should take yourself / Miami out of this thread, because I see no incentive for Pheonix to make a deal with Miami.
:roll: This is funny.

Are you guys GMs really discussing and making bids for Amare? Because I thought this was just a message board where we were discussing what packages seem most reasonable for him...

My first post in this thread regarding Miami was that they were unlikely to get him, because all they are offering is junk (link (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3911852&postcount=37)). Then I went on to discuss why other teams weren't getting him for junk either.

PB, and You, and a little bit of DukeDelonte seem to be the only ones under the serious impression that a package surrounding junk seems more likely than others.

[PleezeBelieve]

Let's see a trade that works both financially and practically (roster spots match up) and post some real numbers and savings.

Then let's compare it to this:

NETS
Yi
C.Lee or T.Williams
Battie (exp)
Hayes (exp)
2010 DAL #1
Future #2
$3m Cash
4.5 TPE

for

Amare
T.Griffin
Amundson

~$15m in savings
a. lowered payroll
b. tax savings
c. dispersed tax money
d. cash from NJ.

Not to mention the marketing benefits of Yi.
Cavs:

Z - 11.5 mill
Hickson - 1.5 mill
Jackson - 885k (expirer)
3 mill cash

for

Amare - 16.3 mill


Suns get two bigs to replenish an already thin front line. Hickson has impact starter potential and while offering what no other big they have outside Amare has, and that's elite athleticism on the off the baseline. When paired with Lopez, they offer a chance at a competent frontline for many years to come. When Z is bought out, the Suns cap number immediately lowers to 47 mill.

Lopez
Hickson
Clark
Frye

That would be the Suns big man rotation next year without factoring in draft picks or FA signing. They would maybe or maybe not be a playoff team in '11 but they would have a strong core for the future.

Oakley, the Suns have little need for Lee or Williams when Richardson, Barbosa, Dudley, Hill, and Nash are all on the book for next year and mostly beyond.

The Cavs deal would really allow the Suns to position themselves for the '11 FA period. As of today they only have 19 mill in committed salaries even with Nash and Barbosa on the books. They'd still have these young core of bigs mentioned above as well. Depending if they could move Barbosa over the summer, this cap number will be even lower.

You all have to THINK. The Cavs package is IDEAL for where they are trying to go. They would have the young bigs, just would need time to develop.

[PleezeBelieve]

Yes, we are all idiots except him. Because why would Amare want to go to Dallas, Miami, when he could go to Cleveland, the greatest city in the world. Apparently (and i wasn't aware of this) where he wants to go not only is paramount, but he wants to go to Cleveland. Who wouldnt! It's poor, it's cold, it's like the 4,000th biggest market in the world, and it has partial chinese ownership! Pass the fortune cookies and the snow shovel, better yet trade them for Amare.

This has nothing to do with Cleveland, there are 30 teams, no one has made real offers yet, why the hell would a first little crappy offer from Cleveland be such a lock to go through.
We are talking about basketball and not the Nature Channel, right?

Oh okay then...Cleveland offering legitimate chances at championships along side the best player in the world offers plenty enticement for Amare.

[niko]

Cavs:

Z - 11.5 mill
Hickson - 1.5 mill
Jackson - 885k (expirer)
3 mill cash

for

Amare - 16.3 mill


Suns get two bigs to replenish an already thin front line. Hickson has impact starter potential and while offering what no other big they have outside Amare has, and that's elite athleticism on the off the baseline. When paired with Lopez, they offer a chance at a competent frontline for many years to come. When Z is bought out, the Suns cap number immediately lowers to 47 mill.

Lopez
Hickson
Clark
Frye

That would be the Suns big man rotation next year without factoring in draft picks or FA signing. They would maybe or maybe not be a playoff team in '11 but they would have a strong core for the future.

Oakley, the Suns have little need for Lee or Williams when Richardson, Barbosa, Dudley, Hill, and Nash are all on the book for next year and mostly beyond.

The Cavs deal would really allow the Suns to position themselves for the '11 FA period. As of today they only have 19 mill in committed salaries even with Nash and Barbosa on the books. They'd still have these young core of bigs mentioned above as well. Depending if they could move Barbosa over the summer, this cap number will be even lower.

You all have to THINK. The Cavs package is IDEAL for where they are trying to go. They would have the young bigs, just would need time to develop.

Amare is an expirer. Unless they think Hickson is the future or are planning on hitting a home run with a low draft pick (Remember - the SUns don't keep their high picks, they trade them not to pay them) this makes no sense. You keep speaking as if this gives them this additional cap space, it does not. I know your normal M/O is to ignore points you don't like but it makes analyzing trades a bit more difficult.

This Cav offer is so-so on the surface and none of us have made a detaled analysis of what other teams can do. To assume this offer is the be all and end all (when it's not even sure it could get Jamison or Murphy or West (which you were also sure you were getting) is ridiculous.

[niko]

We are talking about basketball and not the Nature Channel, right?

Oh okay then...Cleveland offering legitimate chances at championships along side the best player in the world offers plenty enticement for Amare.

If you don't want me to be sarcastic stop speaking in absolutes. You said ONLY cleveland offers Amare what he wants. That's asinine.

[PleezeBelieve]

If you don't want me to be sarcastic stop speaking in absolutes. You said ONLY cleveland offers Amare what he wants. That's asinine.
No its not.

My comment remains valid. Resume your idiocy...

[beasted86]

When Z is bought out, the Suns cap number immediately lowers to 47 mill.

Wrong.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q61
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q62

They will still have to pay the luxury tax based on Z's $12M salary.

[ChuckOakley]

PB,

Z < Battie + Hayes
At least it's two players they could keep and play, as opposed to one they buy out, unless Z really settles for a very low buyout.

Hickson <= Yi
If for no other reason than marketing

Jackson < C.Lee/T.Will
Also I don't get why you mention all of the young bigs the Suns would have and not the young guards/wings.

2.5m TPE < 4.5m TPE
0 < 2010 DAL #1
0 < Future #2

[niko]

No its not.

My comment remains valid. Resume your idiocy...

Cleveland is nobody's ideal landing place. It might be a good one because of Lebron, but it's not ideal. Kobe and LA? Wade and Miami? Worse team but NY? Worse City but Cleveland? Rose and Chicago and possibly still cap space Every place has up and downs. ONLY CLEVELAND HAS WHAT AMARE IS SEEKING.

That's a stupid statement.

[niko]

Wrong.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q61
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q62

They will still have to pay the luxury tax based on Z's $12M salary.

They would glaldy pay it because somehow the Suns only care about Amare's dream (which is sadly to live in Cleveland).

[PleezeBelieve]

Wrong.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q61
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q62

They will still have to pay the luxury tax based on Z's $12M salary.
Read your links again, sucka.

[PleezeBelieve]

PB,

Z < Battie + Hayes
At least it's two players they could keep and play, as opposed to one they buy out, unless Z really settles for a very low buyout.

Hickson <= Yi
If for no other reason than marketing

Jackson < C.Lee/T.Will
Also I don't get why you mention all of the young bigs the Suns would have and not the young guards/wings.

2.5m TPE < 4.5m TPE
0 < 2010 DAL #1
0 < Future #2
Yi > Hickson based on marketing??? :oldlol:

And how is a Dallas #1 that more attractive than a Cavs '10 first rounder??

I mentioned the bigs cause Amare is a big and would have to be replaced.

And besides dude, you seriously think Amare would be okay with going to a 3-38389129898 Nets team when he could leverage to go play for a ring in Cleveland??

Really, son?

[beasted86]

Read your links again, sucka.
:rolleyes:

Oh well... I give up. Anyway, you guys can continue to argue who's junk offer is better in this thread. Nobody is getting Amare for minimal cash savings and scrub players.

[niko]

I'm sorry, considering the fact that it will be pro-rated, and this is the last big contract Z will get, and it will screw up his bird rights with the Cavs, how much money do you expect he is going to give up? The entire 2nd half salary? He is going to give up a neglible amount, is this amount the amount that puts the suns under the luxury tax threshold? And if this is the case, couldn't another team (there are other teams) do the same thing? Perhaps better?

Why is this so hard? No one is saying the Cavs can't get him. BUt the thought this is a slam dunk offer that the Suns would be nuts to refuse is insane.

[hoopaddict08]

Tayshaun Prince
Charlie Villanueva

for

Amare

[PleezeBelieve]

I'm sorry, considering the fact that it will be pro-rated, and this is the last big contract Z will get, and it will screw up his bird rights with the Cavs, how much money do you expect he is going to give up? The entire 2nd half salary? He is going to give up a neglible amount, is this amount the amount that puts the suns under the luxury tax threshold? And if this is the case, couldn't another team (there are other teams) do the same thing? Perhaps better?

Why is this so hard? No one is saying the Cavs can't get him. BUt the thought this is a slam dunk offer that the Suns would be nuts to refuse is insane.
Z and Bird Rights????

Dude the guy will probably retire after the season. :oldlol:

[PleezeBelieve]

:rolleyes:

Oh well... I give up. Anyway, you guys can continue to argue who's junk offer is better in this thread. Nobody is getting Amare for minimal cash savings and scrub players.
Take your L and move on....

[niko]

:rolleyes:

Oh well... I give up. Anyway, you guys can continue to argue who's junk offer is better in this thread. Nobody is getting Amare for minimal cash savings and scrub players.

Every cav trade thread contains the following
1) Hickson is worthless to the Cavs but somehow the aquiring team wants him badly.
2) Z is going to give up all his money and return. (Or do you think the acquiring teamm is going to pay him 90% and let him go?)
3) That little savings is the difference for the acquiring team to do the deal.
4) The acquiring team would rather trade a star to Cleveland to get this done rather than a small move.
5) The star player ONLY wants to play with Lebron.
They've become Laker level delusional in their trade scenarios.

[niko]

Z and Bird Rights????

Dude the guy will probably retire after the season. :oldlol:

Then why would he give up salary this year? He either gives up a material amount, or the acquiring team won't care about the buyout. Or you think the crap Cleveland is offering is enough to make the other team take on more of the money in the deal.

:confusedshrug: I understand that living it Cleveland, one must be optimistic as life itself reeks so one must look forward, but there are too many assumptions of people working for the benefit of the Cavs and not for the benefit of themselves.

[R.I.P.]

You're am idiot.

Why would Amare want to go to Dallas? :oldlol:

He'd have to play center and get ate up by the Lakers again.

Because he could play with Kidd, Terry, Marion and Dirk. :confusedshrug:

[AKADS]

Every cav trade thread contains the following
1) Hickson is worthless to the Cavs but somehow the aquiring team wants him badly.
2) Z is going to give up all his money and return. (Or do you think the acquiring teamm is going to pay him 90% and let him go?)
3) That little savings is the difference for the acquiring team to do the deal.
4) The acquiring team would rather trade a star to Cleveland to get this done rather than a small move.
5) The star player ONLY wants to play with Lebron.
They've become Laker level delusional in their trade scenarios.

Not all of us. Just PB and couple others.

Some of would love Amare but know its not goin to happen. Unless we get a lucky and Kerr loves Cleveland for some reason. I say Cleveland has a 1% chance at best.

[RoTM]

No one mentioned Houston? They have the T-Mac contract, young talent, a huge market, are willing to take back future salary, and have a dominant center for Amare to play beside. They were already rumored to be pursuing Bosh.

Trade like
Amare
Barbosa

for
Budinger
Landry
T-Mac
3 mill

Suns do this in a heartbeat since the team is nearly as good as before, and by not having to resign Amare they move out 23+ million in future salary and take back 4 million.

[beasted86]

No one mentioned Houston? They have the T-Mac contract, young talent, a huge market, are willing to take back future salary, and have a dominant center for Amare to play beside. They were already rumored to be pursuing Bosh.

Trade like
Amare
Barbosa

for
Budinger
Landry
T-Mac
3 mill

Suns do this in a heartbeat since the team is nearly as good as before, and by not having to resign Amare they move out 23+ million in future salary and take back 4 million.
They are actually going further into the luxury with that trade.

Swap Barbosa for Richardson, and Landry for Scola, and it starts looking good for both.

[1~Gibson~1]

Not all of us. Just PB and couple others.

Some of would love Amare but know its not goin to happen. Unless we get a lucky and Kerr loves Cleveland for some reason. I say Cleveland has a 1% chance at best.
this. Shaq-Amare also didnt work out in Phoenix so idk about a trade for him. Nonethesless he's a great player and would be a huge factor in LeBron's decision.

[AKADS]

this. Shaq-Amare also didnt work out in Phoenix so idk about a trade for him. Nonethesless he's a great player and would be a huge factor in LeBron's decision.
Amare had huge numbers the first yr with Shaq, and a huge difference for the Cavs then the Suns is Shaq doesn't play as much and isn't our focal point.

I don't think Amare is the best fit right now for the Cavs but goin forward after this year. Amare, LeBron, Mo, AV is a great core.


But who knows they might not even trade him, its all talk right now.

Knicks fans would you trade for Amare if the Suns ask for Gallarino. (sp)

[niko]

Amare had huge numbers the first yr with Shaq, and a huge difference for the Cavs then the Suns is Shaq doesn't play as much and isn't our focal point.

I don't think Amare is the best fit right now for the Cavs but goin forward after this year. Amare, LeBron, Mo, AV is a great core.


But who knows they might not even trade him, its all talk right now.

Knicks fans would you trade for Amare if the Suns ask for Gallarino. (sp)

Oh yeah, but we have no chance. FIrst, it would take all our caps space and if we wanted to do that, we could wait till after the season. Secondly, D'Antoni left and the Suns crumbled at first and the Suns had to go back to smallball. The Suns HATe him and would never trade us an asset.

[Duncan21formvp]

Predictions? I could see Deven Harris and filler to Suns, or even Al Jefferson from Wolves.

I don't see Knicks in on this action at all.......

Should trade him for some young pieces.

[guy]

Wow, I can't believe people are actually saying the Cavs have one of the best offers for Amare because of JJ freaking Hickson. First of all, anyone that says they are looking to save money doesn't know what they're talking about. If this was for financial reasons, they would just let Amare EXPIRE. They're just not going to take on a contract thats not worth it. Second, although I'm sure Amare would definitely consider staying in Cleveland if he were traded there cause he'd be playing with Lebron, the Cavs have nothing to really offer them except for some okay players with okay potential in JJ Hickson and Jawad Williams. I can literally think of 10 teams that could offer better deals then Cleveland, where Amare would realistically consider signing an extension, and that would realistically be beneficial for boht teams.

First of all, what does Amare want? Championship contender or potential championship contender + maybe a big market. What does Phoenix want? All-star players or potential all-star players or at least borderline and preferrably young, and possibly a deal that gets rid of one of their bad contracts.

Here are some better deals:

Atlanta - Josh Smith + Maurice Evans for Amare Stoudemire. Josh Smith is a potential all-star and is probably a 20/10 guy in a run and gun system. The Hawks are currently 50-55 win team as they are, but with an upgrade at PF, they maybe better and may transition from very good playoff team to championship contenders. Only negative is the Hawks probably get worse defensively, and they might not want to risk ruining the chemistry that that they've built with Josh Smith for so many years.

OKC - Jeff Green, James Harden, + Etan Thomas for Amare Stoudemire. Suns get a bunch of great young talent, while Amare gets to play with Durant and Westbrook and potentially turn them into contenders. Durant/Amare/Westbrook is a great core. Only negative is market.

Houston - Tracy McGrady + Carl Landry for Amare Stoudemire + Jason Richardson. Suns get a great replacement at PF and get rid of JRich's contract, while the Rockets get a star to put alongside a great set of role players.

Utah - Carlos Boozer + filler for Amare Stoudemire. Self-explanatory. Both star PFs are leaving, so they might as well switch. Only negative is market, but Amare might ignore it cause he'll play with a great PG in Deron Willliams.

New York - Nate Robinson, Danilo Gallinari, + Al Harrington for Amare Stoudemire. Great talent that would thrive in Phoenix system, while Amare plays in a big market and alongside David Lee could make New York much better. If New York was willing, they could do a David Lee + Nate Robinson trade for Amare instead, which the Suns would definitely jump on. IMO though, I'm not so sure they would want to trade Lee for Amare.

Miami - Michael Beasley + Quentin Richardson for Amare Stoudemire. Self-explanatory. I could see Miami not doing it though since they could very likely get another top free agent over the summer without having to give up Beasley.

Memphis - Zach Randolph for Amare Stoudemire. All-star PF for All-star PF. Self explanatory again.

San Antonio - Dejuan Blair + Richard Jefferson for Amare Stoudemire. Suns get a great starting SF and a rookie PF with a ton of all-star potential. Spurs get another star to put alongside the big 3, and that will open their window up more.

Then there's Chicago and Boston. I'll just repost what I posted earlier:

Chicago - As long as we don't trade Rose or Noah, I'm happy. People might think it would be stupid to not give up Noah for Amare, but I don't. At this point, Amare is not much more valuable then Noah. Noah is a much better rebounder and defender, and unlike Amare, he doesn't seem to care about anything but winning, and he's younger and not as injury-prone. With that said, I would still love to have Amare. Rose and Amare would complement each other so well, and Noah and Amare would play great alongside each other in the front court making up for much of each other's flaws. There's two scenarios for the Bulls: Deng + Thomas for Amare or Miller + Thomas for Amare. They also might need to add one of the rookies and/or a draft pick. I'm not sure if Phoenix would want to take Deng's contract or not. I'm kind of split on which trade I'd rather make, cause I don't know if I'd rather give up Deng or not. On one hand he has a bad contract. On the other hand, he's been playing great lately, and there's nothing that says we'll get a better player at SF or SG anytime soon. We'd be quite strong at 4 out of 5 positions if we traded Miller instead of Deng.

Boston - Here's a crazy idea I thought of. What about Amare to the Celtics straight up for KG? We all know the Suns were looking to get KG a few years ago, but like idiots they were unwilling to give up Amare. The Celtics right now are still a pretty good team without KG, who's old and pretty injury prone since last year. Maybe the Celtics would give up KG for Amare to contend while still building for the future around Amare/Rondo/Perkins? While the Suns would do the deal in hopes of KG doing in Phoenix what he did in Boston. I highly doubt the Celtics would give up KG for Amare just cause its possible it might really piss off the fans, but I think there's reasons for both teams to do it.

All of those deals are better then anything Cleveland can offer, and they all can realistically happen.

[guy]

Damn so what does everyone think of my trade ideas?

[DirtBag]

As a Suns fan, I'd like to see the ATL trade and if we could swing that D. Lee trade too that'd be great

[HighFlyer23]

stoudemire for brand straight up :lol

[u83]

Damn so what does everyone think of my trade ideas?

They make me realize Amare isn't going anywhere, because none of your trades improve the situation for both teams involved.

Phoenix cannot improve its team (win-wise) by trading Amare. Since Amare is already expiring, there are about 2 ways Phoenix could improve their financial situation by trading Amare: 1) trade his 16 or whatever mil contract for more like 11 mil of expirers so that they save a few mil this year and next year is the same 2) package Amare with bad contracts namely Jrich and save money in the long run (but to do this there would be so many players coming back in the deal that it would be a disaster.)

I think you're wrong that the Cavs deal would be dumb. It fulfills criteria 1) above pretty well to save the Suns a few million this year. It's slightly better, money-wise, than holding Amare til he expires. However, it's still not going to happen because the Suns are best off trying to re-sign Amare.

[SRZ66]

SUNS give Amare, Amundson, Earl Clark and Toby Bailey

LAkErs give Kobe, Pau, Bynum and a first rounder

^^^^^^
better trade scenario and more likely than 90% of the ones offered up in this thread

[bagelred]

New York - Nate Robinson, Danilo Gallinari, + Al Harrington for Amare Stoudemire. Great talent that would thrive in Phoenix system, while Amare plays in a big market and alongside David Lee could make New York much better. If New York was willing, they could do a David Lee + Nate Robinson trade for Amare instead, which the Suns would definitely jump on. IMO though, I'm not so sure they would want to trade Lee for Amare.


As a Knick fan, we are not giving away any talent to get Amare. That would be just bad business. We could sign Amare outright in the summer.

Of course, if you take Curry in the deal, that's a completely different story.

[lpublic_enemyl]

As a Knick fan, we are not giving away any talent to get Amare. That would be just bad business. We could sign Amare outright in the summer.

Of course, if you take Curry in the deal, that's a completely different story.
lol eddy curry is like no.1 on the knicks list to get rid of, cause every time a trade is suggested they have to throw him in, if u don't want him, we sure as hell don't....:roll:

[bagelred]

lol eddy curry is like no.1 on the knicks list to get rid of, cause every time a trade is suggested they have to throw him in, if u don't want him, we sure as hell don't....:roll:

Well that's the only way you might get a hand on Gallo or Chandler.

Sorry.

[guy]

They make me realize Amare isn't going anywhere, because none of your trades improve the situation for both teams involved.

Phoenix cannot improve its team (win-wise) by trading Amare. Since Amare is already expiring, there are about 2 ways Phoenix could improve their financial situation by trading Amare: 1) trade his 16 or whatever mil contract for more like 11 mil of expirers so that they save a few mil this year and next year is the same 2) package Amare with bad contracts namely Jrich and save money in the long run (but to do this there would be so many players coming back in the deal that it would be a disaster.)


When a player of Amare's caliber is traded, the team that traded them rarely ever expects to improve win-wise by doing so. When the Magic traded T-Mac, the Lakers traded Shaq, and the Wolves traded KG, none of them expected to improve win-wise, and they didn't. The Suns are looking to trade him cause they are clearly not confident enough to resign him, so they don't want to let him go for nothing. If their assumption is its either trade and get something, or let him expire and get nothing, they'll clearly go with the first option. IMO all of my trade ideas bring something valuable back.

[guy]

As a Knick fan, we are not giving away any talent to get Amare. That would be just bad business. We could sign Amare outright in the summer.

Of course, if you take Curry in the deal, that's a completely different story.

So you're just assuming they will get someone like him over the summer? Making an assumption like that is bad business. The Knicks would be stupid to not give up players like Nate and Harrington. If we're talking about David Lee, then I see where you're coming from, but not anyone else on that team.

[asu77golf]

We'll give you J.R. Smith and throw in a leash :D

[highwhey]

all suns' fans know what is going to happen, kerr will exercise his horrible GM skills(although can he really "exercise" something that he doesn't posses?) and trade amar'e to a crappy team who Amar'e will have no interest in re-signing with, in return the suns will acquire perhaps expiring contracts, pretty much no name players. all in all, we will trade an all star(his performance is questionable though) for 1ppg players. this assumption is based on previous behavior. hey, suns fans might get lucky and kerr will put cash on top of amar'e with perhaps our 1st round draft pick for the available years(we've traded some i believe)-look at the kurt thomas trade

/sarcasm

[D-Rose]

Suns should definetly trade him. He WILL leave this summer.

They can get:

-young talent
-draft picks
-12-14 mill in 2010 cap space

[dr8ked]

Joe Dumars, this is your chance to create another winning team, Prince/Hamilton/Brown for amare.

[Kingwillball]

The Cavs should get him so they(Lebron) can have a Bull's/Jordan like Dynasty over the this next decade.2010's Cavs would be dominant team of the NBA.

[beasted86]

Suns should definetly trade him.

They can get:
-young talent
-draft picks
-12-14 mill in 2010 cap space
False, which is why many people here are saying you don't trade an expiring all-star for a group of mediocre scrubs that are also expiring.

Subtract Amare, Frye, and Hill, and they will have $40M in salary. Add in whatever young talent they get, and their draft picks, and they are left with $5-6M at best, and that's only with 7-8 players under contract.

Phoenix needs to get a high quality young player in return. Not just some Hickson, Yi type player

[D-Rose]

False, which is why many people here are saying you don't trade an expiring all-star for a group of mediocre scrubs that are also expiring.

Subtract Amare, Frye, and Hill, and they will have $40M in salary. Add in whatever young talent they get, and their draft picks, and they are left with $5-6M at best, and that's only with 7-8 players under contract.

Phoenix needs to get a high quality young player in return. Not just some Hickson, Yi type player
My bad :hammerhead:

I just looked at cap space by subtracting Amar'e and didn't consider the talent coming back.

*Brain Fart*

[highwhey]

False, which is why many people here are saying you don't trade an expiring all-star for a group of mediocre scrubs that are also expiring.

Subtract Amare, Frye, and Hill, and they will have $40M in salary. Add in whatever young talent they get, and their draft picks, and they are left with $5-6M at best, and that's only with 7-8 players under contract.

Phoenix needs to get a high quality young player in return. Not just some Hickson, Yi type player
in addition, even though the current line up isn't doing a superb job, it's still better than 5-6 players whose career high scores have been 5 points. unless suns front office can get a good trade for amar'e, i say keep him and let his contract expire, more than likely, that will be the most efficient way of clearing up money. that way we actually have money, instead of 2 million in space. i'm 99% sure we will get crap for him.

[B-Easy8]

Studs for Beasley and fillers

[Meticode]

Rudy Gay for Amare make contracts work and get it done.

That trade makes no sense since the Grizzlies. For one, they're doing surprisingly well lately. And two have Marc Gasol and Randolph are doing fine in the front court. And don't even say put Amare or Randolph at SF, I will slap the shit out of you with that nonsense.

[Meticode]

this. Shaq-Amare also didnt work out in Phoenix so idk about a trade for him. Nonethesless he's a great player and would be a huge factor in LeBron's decision.

Well that's because Shaq and Amare play two different types of games for two different offenses.

[Pharcyde]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygn4esb

If I'm doing things correctly, the Suns get rid of $12,730,843 of Jason Richardson's contract (not all of it because James Johnson has another year on his rookie contract) next season if John Salmons opts out, and 6,922,843 if he opts in.
If they don't want the possibility of Salmons opting in, then they could take Snack James instead and save the 12,730,843.

[DukeDelonte13]

My bad :hammerhead:

I just looked at cap space by subtracting Amar'e and didn't consider the talent coming back.

*Brain Fart*

they can do a buy out

[ChuckOakley]

False, which is why many people here are saying you don't trade an expiring all-star for a group of mediocre scrubs that are also expiring.

Subtract Amare, Frye, and Hill, and they will have $40M in salary. Add in whatever young talent they get, and their draft picks, and they are left with $5-6M at best, and that's only with 7-8 players under contract.

Phoenix needs to get a high quality young player in return. Not just some Hickson, Yi type player

Or you trade him in the summer in a S&T and get an nice $15m Traded player exception, which is almost as good as cap space.

[PleezeBelieve]

False, which is why many people here are saying you don't trade an expiring all-star for a group of mediocre scrubs that are also expiring.

Subtract Amare, Frye, and Hill, and they will have $40M in salary. Add in whatever young talent they get, and their draft picks, and they are left with $5-6M at best, and that's only with 7-8 players under contract.

Phoenix needs to get a high quality young player in return. Not just some Hickson, Yi type player
They can build for 2011 with solid but cheap talent (Hickson) in return for Amare.