Tupac vs Jay Z

[Doomsday Dallas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R36PGtwWuc&feature=related

http://www.mylays.net/myspace-graphics/thumbs/myspace_comment_makaveli.jpg

vs.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9YPb5yoJpk

http://th03.deviantart.net/fs45/300W/f/2009/090/3/3/JAY_Z_text_vector_by_macky17g.png

WHO IS BETTER?.

[Steve Nash]

Personally I like Hov, but you really cant compare them, they each had their own style.

[OneMoreSucka]

There is no versus. Tupac all day, every day. Ridiculous question.

[Gundress]

N!gga, You know it's me.
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/7895/f89f1dff845099ac73c9608.gif (http://img403.imageshack.us/i/f89f1dff845099ac73c9608.gif/)

**** Jay-Z
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7375/b0c1231b4f8fbccb965f167.gif (http://img204.imageshack.us/i/b0c1231b4f8fbccb965f167.gif/)


I know I was right....hahahah.....you feel me
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/4016/906cf4697489996903562e4.gif (http://img713.imageshack.us/i/906cf4697489996903562e4.gif/)

[Steve Nash]

How can you say that tupac is soooo much better than Jay ??

[Doomsday Dallas]

How can you say that tupac is soooo much better than Jay ??

IDK... Because some of his words actually have value?



And he was a much more of a Bad Ass

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JTJ2i6wj77g/SXznqpE0CSI/AAAAAAAABYU/mdWgXn2PCKM/s400/2pac.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQzwuw8E2d4

[Eldrunko247]

Tupac hands down. Waiting for Vaj unit to come in and say otherwise.

Vaj Unit: "Tupac had simple rhymes"

Riiiiiiiiight! If you say so. Same guy who made a thread about "Kesha Tik Tok" stupid retart song about swagger and Mick Jagger.

[Steve Nash]

Jay Z was way more lyrically advanced then Pac ever was......

[takeittothehoop]

The debate should be Nas vs. Jay Z. Pac would win out in the majority of hip hop fans minds I'm sure.

[~primetime~]

Jay's mpre popular commercial stuff makes me want to puke...it f*ckin sucks...it is the worst of the worst...it is all things I hate about what happened to rap...

Tupac does rap simple, v-unit is right, "FEEEEEL ME!!!"...over and over and over..."RIDE TIL I DIE!!!"....over and over and over...

if I have to choose one out of those two overrated rappers give me Pac though...


Freddie Gibbs >>>>>>>>>>>> both of them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbvjnXhx7wA

[Doomsday Dallas]

Jay Z was way more lyrically advanced then Pac ever was......

If Hip-Hop/Rap was the NBA

how long have each of them been in the league.

2pac died at the age of 25.

[Gundress]

2Pac made the better songs than Jay-Z.

When I listen to Jay-Z albums....I realized his albums all about him..he's rapping about himself, nothing special.

Can Jay-Z makes better song than this?....

2Pac- Letter 2 My Unborn Child
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_LkZfM24pM

2Pac - Words Of Wisdom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmcCMzxloio

2Pac - So Many Tears
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbs7wWLXLpw

2Pac - Sill I Rise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsCN_T7qw9U

[Steve Nash]

Freddie Gibbs >>>>>>>>>>>> both of them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbvjnXhx7wA

TRUEEEE

[Doomsday Dallas]

Freddie Gibbs >>>>>>>>>>>> both of them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbvjnXhx7wA


Pretty Good...

Now Listen to this song that is clearly better.

(Only because it's more positive)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82y5y36gDbA

[Desperado]

Reasonable Doubt >>>

[~primetime~]

ugggghh, and i tried listening to that gibbs, so awful, most simplistic boring sh*t ive ever heard
Gibbs' is as "real" as it gets...you're not gonna catch him in any hollywood movies or ridin around in damn Maybach with neon lights flashing...covered in diamonds...YUCK

that is what I like about him...he is what he raps...he didn't start as a backup dancer or go to school with jada pinkett...he started out with a f*ckin pistal and some baggies of coke...

no he isn't the RZA or anything but his lyrics are just as complex as anything Pac or Jay have done...

[Gundress]

Ok...Jay-Z made a career rapping about ignorance and we do live in a morally corrupt world but Jay never gave any healing to that world like 2Pac did...and he's supposed to be the king. How u supposed to be the king and u poisoning the kids?

Jay was talking about moving keys in that 2004 song "Get Ya Money Right." Jay moving keys in 2004? Pure ignorance.

He should have made a song about mutual funds...Jay didn't change by "Kingdom Come" besides 'Minority Report" and "Lost Ones" all Jay-Z is talking about is himself. Money Hoes and Clothes is a topic that really is played out in an era where we are truly lost as a people.

The top dog is supposed to lead the people. If you're not part of the solution then you're part of the problem.


Don't forget.....2Pac died young when he was 25. Jay-Z made the first album "Reasonable Doubt" when he was 25.....this is telling how genius Pac was :eek:

[plowking]

Reasonable Doubt >>>

All Eyez On Me >>>

[Eldrunko247]

Don't forget Jay Z is also a big time biter. Even with lifted material he's good at best. Hardly ever great. His fan boys will argue you have to be intellectual enough to "get it" but mostly they're elitist d-bags.

[~primetime~]

wtf does him being genuine have anything to do with the quality of the music? and not even gonna try on that last comment, have you even listened to either of them other than a few hit songs? :banghead:
it makes ALL the difference in the world to me...at least right now in 2010 it does...probably wouldn't have mattered to me pre-2000

I stopped listening to rap back in 2000 just for the simple fact that it turned into fake commercialized pop music garbage...

For someone to win me over they are gonna have to be real for me to take them seriously...that is what makes it "real" when I listen to it...Justin Timberlake singin those same lyrics would make me laugh...Gibbs rappin that stuff makes me say "wow"...

[Gundress]

Gibbs' is as "real" as it gets...you're not gonna catch him in any hollywood movies or ridin around in damn Maybach with neon lights flashing...covered in diamonds...YUCK

that is what I like about him...he is what he raps...he didn't start as a backup dancer or go to school with jada pinkett...he started out with a f*ckin pistal and some baggies of coke...

no he isn't the RZA or anything but his lyrics are just as complex as anything Pac or Jay have done...


Dude, just stop now...he's nice but we talked about Tupac vs Jay-Z here.

The truth is....he isn't even on Pac level or even on Jay-Z level. It seems you worried about the "Real" sh!t like other nowadays kids talked about how Young Jeezy real is, etc.

[Steve Nash]

"I kept feeding her money till her s**t started to make sense"

-Jigga

[~primetime~]

Dude, just stop now...he's nice but we talked about Tupac vs Jay-Z here.

The truth is....he isn't even on Pac level or even on Jay-Z level. It seems you worried about the "Real" sh!t like other nowadays kids talked about how Young Jeezy real is, etc.
I'm just repling...

he isn't on Jay's level of success, no where even close...he has never had a "hit"...and to be honest I hope he never does have a "hit"...

[Steve Nash]

"realness" yuck, and :oldlol: at saying wow at his rhymes, they sound so f*cking stupid

there has been pop sh*t in the commercial industry for ever, the fact that you know who gibbs is should mean you can take the time to find some other lesser known better artists, and those lyrics are straight awful and the beats hes rhyming on are even worse, listen to this and try and argue it isn't better,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3aMfG6n-BQ

This is better


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBF-pZUbAUw&feature=related

[Desperado]

Its funny Pac seems to get away with the same things we criticize other artist for. Most people criticize 50 cent for talking about getting shot, but Pac talked about getting shot way more than 50 has done but no one ever brings that up.

People accuse jay-z and others for having repetitive content yet Pac talked about the same old sh!t

[Gundress]

Jay-Z

Renegade - ( Straight Braggadocio)

Meet the Parents -( A made up story with too many coincidences(beside Donald Goines alreadty made a book of the same topic titled )

D'evils (A song about being evil...self explanitory)

Lucky Me (A song about Jay doing him..self centered like a mother ****er)

You Must Love Me ( A song about people Jay hurt who forgave him....self centered like a mother****er cuz he didn't forgive the person who did his man wrong in "Lucifer" and your supposed to forgive as well)

A week ago( A song about drug dealer codes....yeah that's positive)


**** JAY-Z

Tupac was/is the truth.

[~primetime~]

"realness" yuck, and :oldlol: at saying wow at his rhymes, they sound so f*cking stupid

there has been pop sh*t in the commercial industry for ever, the fact that you know who gibbs is should mean you can take the time to find some other lesser known better artists, and those lyrics are straight awful and the beats hes rhyming on are even worse, listen to this and try and argue it isn't better,
Gibbs' lyrics are very similiar to Pacs, only Gibbs is more skilled lyrically than Pac ever was...and like I said, much more "real"...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3aMfG6n-BQ
okay I really like that...it is a different type of rap than Gibbs...that is East Coast hip hop where Gibbs is just straight f*ckin coke slangin hood...

I don't care for beats like that much to be honest...but this is all a matter of opinion...there is no right or wrong here...

that dude is better than Jay though...:oldlol:

"It's a hard-knock life for us..."....smh

[Gundress]

How come nobody's replying to my posted #13?.

Tupac songs are ****ing truth.

[Desperado]

I never understood how people could claim Pac as the best mc ever, when in fact Pac is the most overrated figure in music history. I know all of Pac’s loyal “soldiers” are going to try and crucify me for this but hear me out first.



Lyrically Pac is not even top 25 maybe even 30, and the man never even made a classic album, yup it I said it he never made a classic me against the world is his closet but 30 % of the album didn’t age very well, makaveli is probably the most overrated album ever the joint is was one wack song away from being weak. All eyez on me is a damn mess and his early albums or not even worth mentioning. Don’t get me wrong I mean I like Pac, just about as much as a I like pepperoni pizza (its cool but not every damn day) I have most of his albums and some of his DVD’s so don’t think I’m not being a “hater” I just don’t understand why everyone praises this man so much.








The main Pac argument was his influence yeah i'll admit Pac is the most influential rapper of all times bar none but that doesn’t necessarily make that a good thing, his influence on rap was about the same as a drug dealers influence on the youth in the community, What good artist has come out of Pac's influence? JA Rule? Lil scrappy? Master p and Z-murder?

No there just all lame copies. On top of that it really wasn't even his true image, Pac went to the school of performing arts and was very articulate he said him self that he was never a drug dealer (yet he talked about it) in many of the DVD’s his old friends said he wasn’t a good fighter and always got beat up, shock g said that when he met Pac he was very quite and reserved.

So where did this whole thug life, middle fingers up fu*k the world sh*t come from? It was all an act they should give Pac an award for this sh!t the man was acting his whole damn career that’s genius. But then he goes and makes his best career move he dies, then and only then did Pac become the #1 rapper I never heard anyone say that Pac was the best before he died hell I hardly ever heard anyone talk about Pac outside of the court cases and the drama.



In closing Pac was not the best rapper of all times, he was not a revolutionary or a hero to black people he was nothing more than a shirtless thug rapper who created a great character to hide behind. I challenge anyone to make a good argument as to why Pac deserves the praise he gets in Hip Hop without mentioning his influence or his imagine.

[Gundress]

All Eyez On Me >>>


Wrong.


Me Against The World>>>>>Reasonable Doubt

The 7th Day Theory>>>>>>Reasonable Doubt


In my opinion, Me Against The World was the best Pac's album.

[~primetime~]

wtf? how does his level of success matter???????? he is nowhere near Jay on a musical standpoint, and this track from gibbs sounds just like anything from any of those clowns on the radio today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOkFZZFhwIE
I just told you in the last post I made that YOU replied to...

Gibbs is the real deal, and that is what I like about him...he raps about bustin shots at a dude over a $50 bad of coke cause he just got done doin the sh*t in real life...

Jay?...he just got done suckin off Lebron and helping some gay man design his next clothing line...I can't relate...

i am done with commercialized crap rap...simple as that...I have had my fill

[Gundress]

Jay talks about moving keys 4 albums deep into his career so that sends a message of "Hey kids..I'm successful in this rap game and I've made tons of money but I'm still promoting the selling of drugs and guess what? I'm selling the drugs as well....that's how it is when you're platinum and successful in the rap game...u can still risk going to jail or death doing backwards **** like selling drugs when u don't need to"


**** JAY-Z

[~primetime~]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

alright, im done you clearly don't know your sh*t at all, but since you like those sh*tty beats id recommend you listen to the radio, enjoy! :cheers:
"WEST SIIIDE!!!"

"FEEEEEL ME!!!"

"RIDE TILL I DIE!!!!"

that sh*t got old BEFORE he died...:cheers:

[Gundress]

"WEST SIIIDE!!!"

"FEEEEEL ME!!!"

"RIDE TILL I DIE!!!!"

that sh*t got old BEFORE he died...:cheers:


Dude....are you listening to those songs I posted in #13?

[~primetime~]

Dude....are you listening to those songs I posted in #13?
I think I have heard every single thing pac has ever done including appearences on other albums...

the only I might have missed is random stuff taht was released many years after he died...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhQcrbSRySs

^^^ one of my favs by Pac


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO4doGf7sZ8

^^^ Pac goes hard there too...

[Steve Nash]

Jay talks about moving keys 4 albums deep into his career so that sends a message of "Hey kids..I'm successful in this rap game and I've made tons of money but I'm still promoting the selling of drugs and guess what? I'm selling the drugs as well....that's how it is when you're platinum and successful in the rap game...u can still risk going to jail or death doing backwards **** like selling drugs when u don't need to"


**** JAY-Z

And tupac talked about gangbanging killin ****** and smackin hoes......

So What ?
Were not discussing which rapper is better for kids to listen to

[Gundress]

I think I have heard every single thing pac has ever done including appearences on other albums...

the only I might have missed is random stuff taht was released many years after he died...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhQcrbSRySs

^^^ one of my favs by Pac


The only reason you like of because Spice 1.

What do you think of those songs.

Scarface feat: 2Pac - Smile
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0Vk0EL-r8g

MC Breed - Gotta Get Mine feat: 2Pac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEX57o9G0Ow

[Gundress]

And tupac talked about gangbanging killin ****** and smackin hoes......

So What ?
Were not discussing which rapper is better for kids to listen to


That's nice son.....now you better go to your bed.

[~primetime~]

The only reason you like of because Spice 1.

What do you think of those songs.

Scarface feat: 2Pac - Smile
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0Vk0EL-r8g

MC Breed - Gotta Get Mine feat: 2Pac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEX57o9G0Ow
hate Smile but when Pac was doin stuff with Breed and all them I loved it...all that stuff is great to me...the stuff they did before they got rich...

alot of people might not know that Breed is dead...

[thejumpa]

I just told you in the last post I made that YOU replied to...

Gibbs is the real deal, and that is what I like about him...he raps about bustin shots at a dude over a $50 bad of coke cause he just got done doin the sh*t in real life...

Jay?...he just got done suckin off Lebron and helping some gay man design his next clothing line...I can't relate...


But you can relate to some guy talking about the streets and selling coke? No offense, but it seems that you probably have done neither.

People who rap about things they REALLY do=idiots...it always comes back to hurt them in the end.

This dude is probably from the streets but he is do different than any of these other cats out here. Anybody can be affiliated. You or I could....but there is a distinct difference between being affiliated and really doing what you say in your songs. Chances are, this guy doesn't do any of that **** he talks about. That's about as commercialized as it gets.

[Steve Nash]

That's nice son.....now you better go to your bed.
How bout you suck my dick.

[Gundress]

hate Smile but when Pac was doin stuff with Breed and all them I loved it...all that stuff is great to me...the stuff they did before they got rich...

alot of people might not know that Breed is dead...


Yeah...I already knew anyway. He's from Flint.

[bret tha ripper]

personally i like Jay Z more just because tupac just dosent do the job for me but the question who is better? That would easily be pac just because he has inspired way more people and has way more respect by everyone. but BIG>> Pac

[~primetime~]

But you can relate to some guy talking about the streets and selling coke? No offense, but it seems that you probably have done neither.

People who rap about things they REALLY do=idiots...it always comes back to hurt them in the end.

This dude is probably from the streets but he is do different than any of these other cats out here. Anybody can be affiliated. You or I could....but there is a distinct difference between being affiliated and really doing what you say in your songs. Chances are, this guy doesn't do any of that **** he talks about. That's about as commercialized as it gets.
my teen years and early twenty years relate to that...not on HIS level or anything, I didn't grow up in f*ckin Gary Indiana but I knew plenty of dudes that hustled to pay rent...I know a couple dudes I ran around with when I was younger that are in jail for murder even...that is the type of music I grew up to also...

All that isn't even relevent, the fact is I am no longer enertained by what rap turned into is more the issue...it turned into garbage, and I stopped listening...I saw 100 videos off diamond covered dudes in Bentleys too many...

[Desperado]

"WEST SIIIDE!!!"

"FEEEEEL ME!!!"

"RIDE TILL I DIE!!!!"

that sh*t got old BEFORE he died...:cheers:



''I'm an OUTLAW!!!''

''THUG LIFE!''



''sippin on hennessyyyyyyy locked up in the penitentiaryyyyy!'' :oldlol:

[Gundress]

hate Smile but when Pac was doin stuff with Breed and all them I loved it...all that stuff is great to me...the stuff they did before they got rich...

alot of people might not know that Breed is dead...


Why do you hate Smile?


Have you heard those songs

Spice 1 - One Day at a Time feat: 2Pac, LP & Headstrong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKNu0S1C7GI

2Pac - Last Wordz feat: Ice T and Ice Cube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYC7BHC-1FU

[~primetime~]

listen to reasonable doubt/black album?????????????? those two albums are better than anything gibbs has ever done, i dont give a f*ck if jay has sold out that has nothing to do with it
other than the hits like 99 problems, no...that is when I stopped

there is no doubt in my mind that the production value on Black is like a million times that of anything that Gibbs could dream of doing...

and that is part of why I don't like it...

Gibbs is raw...makes his sh*t in a basement...not some billion dollar studio...

It is that "raw" vibe I get that I like...

[Gundress]

other than the hits like 99 problems, no...that is when I stopped

there is no doubt in my mind that the production value on Black is like a million times that of anything that Gibbs could dream of doing...

and that is part of why I don't like it...

Gibbs is raw...makes his sh*t in a basement...not some billion dollar studio...

It is that "raw" vibe I get that I like...


99 Problem wasn't even Jay-Z's song...it was Ice T's song.

[~primetime~]

''I'm an OUTLAW!!!''

''THUG LIFE!''



''sippin on hennessyyyyyyy locked up in the penitentiaryyyyy!'' :oldlol:
^^^ exactly!!!

that is all it is OVER AND OVER...

ALL my freinds loved Pac and acted like he was a God, and I liked him some too but imo he one of the most overrated rappers EVER...

he wasn't even a real thug on top of that...did he ever sell dope in his life?

[dyna]

2Pac>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jay Z

Jay Z is OVERRATED

[thejumpa]

my teen years and early twenty years relate to that...not on HIS level or anything, I didn't grow up in f*ckin Gary Indiana but I knew plenty of dudes that hustled to pay rent...I know a couple dudes I ran around with when I was younger that are in jail for murder even...that is the type of music I grew up to also...

All that isn't even relevent, the fact is I am no longer enertained by what rap turned into is more the issue...it turned into garbage, and I stopped listening...I saw 100 videos off diamond covered dudes in Bentleys too many...

Yeah, but know you have these cats that rap about street ****, only to never have been a part of it...or half-assed it. Anybody can be affiliated. It's a completely different ball game to actually be doing it. Nowadays, I can't tell who is real and who is fake. I've always believed that those who really are gettin it in like that don't rap. They are too busy doing what they do to stop and rap on a record.

But, I can't hate because that's what you relate to. Different folks different strokes...

[Gundress]

^^^ exactly!!!

that is all it is OVER AND OVER...

ALL my freinds loved Pac and acted like he was a God, and I liked him some too but imo he one of the most overrated rappers EVER...

he wasn't even a real thug on top of that...did he ever sell dope in his life?


Wait a min.....2 Pac even said himself that he wasn't even a gangster or a thug. Have you seen the Documentary's Resurrection movie. I think you're really misunderstood Tupac.

Why in the hell, Dooms has been quiet in his own thread?

[takeittothehoop]

Why in the hell, Dooms has been quiet in his own thread?

He's got other priorities...(killing people on MW2).

[NumeroOcho]

tupac is top 5 hip hop artist of alls timez, jay-z is not

/thread, lock, delete, lets not ever speak of this shit again

[~primetime~]

Yeah, but know you have these cats that rap about street ****, only to never have been a part of it...or half-assed it. Anybody can be affiliated. It's a completely different ball game to actually be doing it. Nowadays, I can't tell who is real and who is fake. I've always believed that those who really are gettin it in like that don't rap. They are too busy doing what they do to stop and rap on a record.

But, I can't hate because that's what you relate to. Different folks different strokes...
damn it...blasian posted a vid on the rap scene in gary indiana and it gave a good glimpse into how Gibbs grew up...I can't find it now

that whole city is slangin coke...

I beleive he is the real deal no question...much more real than pac or Jay ever were anyway...and it also gives me the impression that he cares very little about fame...more that he just wants to make ends meet...

idk...been a very long time since any rapper came off that way to me...he is a nice change from the current state I think...or maybe not a change, but back to what gangsta rap used to be when it started...

[Gundress]

damn it...blasian posted a vid on the rap scene in gary indiana and it gave a good glimpse into how Gibbs grew up...I can't find it now

that whole city is slangin coke...

I beleive he is the real deal no question...much more real than pac or Jay ever were anyway...and it also gives me the impression that he cares very little about fame...more that he just wants to make ends meet...

idk...been a very long time since any rapper came off that way to me...he is a nice change from the current state I think...or maybe not a change, but back to what gangsta rap used to be when it started...

That's problem.....It seems you care abou "Real" more than "Music"

You're acting like he's more real than 2Pac...are you serious?...do you know where he's coming from? His mother was a part of panther, Pac was born in struggle live. That's why his music speaks for itself.

[Gundress]

He's got other priorities...(killing people on MW2).


Oh I See. Did you play with him online?

[playtetris]

:oldlol: cosign desperado's post.

jay > pac. better lyricist, flow, peak, crafts better albums. the only thing pac has on him is mic presence/voice.

blueprint, black album, reasonable doubt are >>> than any album pac has released.

[~primetime~]

That's problem.....It seems you care abou "Real" more than "Music"

You're acting like he's more real than 2Pac...are you serious?...do you know where he's coming from? His mother was a part of panther, Pac was born in struggle live. That's why his music speaks for itself.
but it is the "real" that shows in his music...it is what makes the music itself "real" for me as a listener...it effects how I invision it...


maybe kinda similiar to watching a movie that is "based on a true story"...does it matter that it really happened or not to the audience???...sure it does

in this case the analogy would be:

true story (Gibbs) > Hollywood garbage (Jay)

and yes when it comes to hustlin on the streets and living an actual "thug life" Gibbs is much more legit than Pac...


here are some other rappers from Gary giving a tour of Gary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyUfwGfIT0U&feature=related

they suck it seems, but it kinda shows you how Gibbs grew up...I can't find that other vid on Gary damn it...

[Norcaliblunt]

Tupac, easily. Jay Z has his moments but Pac was on a whole other level. What makes Pac so great is how he played on emotion. Screw lyrical ability with similes, punches, and metaphors when you can tap into somebody's soul with your voice and message. He has a lasting impact and Me Against The World is one the best albums ever made period.

Jay Z can't **** with this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_fwVU4ndhY

Dude just sucks you in with emotion.

[Brandon Roy]

They are two different rappers.

Tupac, while having more simple lyrics, had more lyrical substance and made powerful music. His influence goes beyond rap; he transcends hip-hop.

Jay-Z is one of the best technical emcees ever. Most of his good stuff, such as Reasonable Doubt, goes over people's heads. People, he is not just rapping about hustling; listen closer.

I prefer Tupac, but it is a matter of preference, not a matter of who is better.

[Norcaliblunt]

[QUOTE=Desperado]
No there just all lame copies. On top of that it really wasn't even his true image, Pac went to the school of performing arts and was very articulate he said him self that he was never a drug dealer (yet he talked about it) in many of the DVD

[Undisputed]

2-Pac is one of my favorite rappers. Jay-Z on the other hand, is one of my least favorite rappers. His "music" just annoys me to no end.

[RoseCity07]

There is no versus. Tupac all day, every day. Ridiculous question.

I agree. This is on the level of Pizza vs Dog Sh*t.

[Brandon Roy]

It's a misconception that Pac was just acting and was making up a whole thug persona in order to get money and fame.

He had a plan. He was putting on a more harsh image in order to draw the audience in, like KRS-One did. KRS first came out with Criminal Minded and By All Means Necessary, which both had pictures of guns on the cover. Then, when he get everyone's attention, he came out with The Blueprint of Hip-Hop and then Edutainment, which were very political and deep.

From what his friends said, Tupac had similar plans. He wanted to change society and America in general. He was killed before he could do that.

And yes, people were talking about Pac's greatness before he passed away. Me Against the World was very highly regarded amongst the hip-hop community. All Eyez On Me was a multi-platinum album before he was killed, as well. Death did immortalize him, but he was definitely regarded as one of the best before his death.

[Desperado]

^^^ exactly!!!

that is all it is OVER AND OVER...

ALL my freinds loved Pac and acted like he was a God, and I liked him some too but imo he one of the most overrated rappers EVER...

he wasn't even a real thug on top of that...did he ever sell dope in his life?
:oldlol:

''My Enemieees!!!!''

''THUG LIFE, WESTSIDE!''

[Norcaliblunt]

The dude shot cops. That's the hardest thing any rapper has ever done.

And only people with selective hearing, think all Pac rapped about was "enemies" and "westside". Go back and listen to Me Against The World. It's a masterpiece.

He died at age 25 for christ's sake. The fact he accomplished so much, so young and fast is amazing.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

all eyes on me is the greatest hip-hop album of all-time. imo

[oh the horror]

In my eyes, if 2Pac was still alive.....we wouldnt even be having this discussion, because Jay-Z would still be a mid-carder.


Dude has changed people's perceptions of him every since the top dogs passed away. Biggie, Pac, Pun, etc...

[Norcaliblunt]

Not to mention Big L also.

[Gundress]

^^^ exactly!!!

that is all it is OVER AND OVER...

ALL my freinds loved Pac and acted like he was a God, and I liked him some too but imo he one of the most overrated rappers EVER...

he wasn't even a real thug on top of that...did he ever sell dope in his life?


You proved my point. You misunderstood 2Pac, He didn't say he's a real thug, or he was a God.

2Pac Quotes, ""Let me say for the record, I am not a gangster and never have been. Im not the thief who grabs your purse. Im not the guy who jacks your car. I'm not down with the people who steal and hurt others. I'm just a brother who fight back."

No wonder why you like Spice 1.

[Gundress]

''I'm an OUTLAW!!!''

''THUG LIFE!''



''sippin on hennessyyyyyyy locked up in the penitentiaryyyyy!'' :oldlol:


2Pac knows what works and what not.

[Gundress]

^^^ exactly!!!

that is all it is OVER AND OVER...

ALL my freinds loved Pac and acted like he was a God, and I liked him some too but imo he one of the most overrated rappers EVER...

he wasn't even a real thug on top of that...did he ever sell dope in his life?


See....you proved my point again. You wonder why a lot of people love 2Pac because his music speaks for itself. Tupac will always be alive in the music.

This is what Pac was looking for.

You worried about "He wasn't even a real thug on top of that...did he ever sell dope in his life"

The Hip Hop industry is saturated with it and a lot of it is unrealistic(n!ggaz rap about sh!t that would get them life in jail or murdered..and the talk like they invincible yet in reality they have lawyers and the young n!ggaz in the hood don't have that kinda access so that's where the misleading lies) Me personally I feel ignorant songs are cool..But how are u the greatest when that's what u were known for? How can one be great and ignorance was his forefront format?

I like Tupac Quotes "Instead of trying to help a n!gga you destroy a brother" in his song.

[~primetime~]

:oldlol:

''My Enemieees!!!!''

''THUG LIFE, WESTSIDE!''
"the west is the BEST SIDE!!!"

"where's my RIDE OR DIE N*GGAS AT???"

"FEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLL MEEEEEEEE!!!"




lmao @ that "sippin on Hennessy in the penitentiary"...:oldlol:

[playtetris]

In my eyes, if 2Pac was still alive.....we wouldnt even be having this discussion, because Jay-Z would still be a mid-carder.


Dude has changed people's perceptions of him every since the top dogs passed away. Biggie, Pac, Pun, etc...

biggie is the only one from that group that released a better album than jay. pun is merely kool g rap reincarnated.


all eyes on me is the greatest hip-hop album of all-time. imo

gross hyperbole. in fact, it's his only passable album. to me it's still patchy; probably a 7/10 LP.

[~primetime~]

uggghh, you care nothing about quality of music, all that matters is that they are "REAL"
when concerning gangsta rap in general:

real = quality music

fake-over-produced-diamond-covered-studio-gangsta-garbage = not quality music

[Gundress]

"the west is the BEST SIDE!!!"

"where's my RIDE OR DIE N*GGAS AT???"

"FEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLL MEEEEEEEE!!!"




lmao @ that "sippin on Hennessy in the penitentiary"...:oldlol:


:oldlol: You always defend Dooms and even Dooms doesn't defend your ass.:oldlol:

[playtetris]

when concerning gangsta rap in general:

real = quality music

fake-over-produced-diamond-covered-studio-gangsta-garbage = not quality music

that's a ridiculous statement. rap = entertainment. 90% of rappers out there have never done any time, committed any crimes. did de niro have to be a gangsta to play some of the best cinematic villains of all time? did bret easton ellis have to be a psychopathic stock broker to write 'american psycho'? come on man.

[Heeere's Jonny!]

:oldlol: You always defend Dooms and even Dooms doesn't defend your ass.:oldlol:
their brothers, *****.

[playtetris]

The dude shot cops. That's the hardest thing any rapper has ever done.

And only people with selective hearing, think all Pac rapped about was "enemies" and "westside". Go back and listen to Me Against The World. It's a masterpiece.

He died at age 25 for christ's sake. The fact he accomplished so much, so young and fast is amazing.

nas wrote 'illmatic' when he was ~17-20. biggie released 'ready to die' at a young age too. hip hop is a young man's game.

'me against the world' is not even close to being a masterpiece.

[~primetime~]

that's a ridiculous statement. rap = entertainment. 90% of rappers out there have never done any time, committed any crimes. did de niro have to be a gangsta to play some of the best cinematic villains of all time? did bret easton ellis have to be a psychopathic stock broker to write 'american psycho'? come on man.
that is why I like Freddie Gibbs he is REAL...he cares not for fame, he true to god hustler that likes to rap on the side...

everything you said "WAS" spot on, back in the early 1990s...you could be somewhat fake and I would have still loved it...but things have changedd, and the realness transformed into "popness"...something I now find unacceptable for me to listen to personally...


most gangsta rappers did have an early life of dirt though...including Jay, although I don't consider him gangsta rap...

alot of the Wu was "real" in their early days...

[Gundress]

their brothers, *****.


Here the message for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axWsbQhNCs0

[~primetime~]

:oldlol: that may be true but you went and said this

not sure what your point is but I certainly do feel like Gibbs is much more talented lyrically than Pac ever was...

when you read comments on his YouTube stuff Pac comparisons are commonly found...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tKo0gyllKs&feature=related

^^^ read the comments there:

"Gibbs is the new pac. real *****, real talk."

you see that alot...

[playtetris]

that is why I like Freddie Gibbs he is REAL...he cares not for fame, he true to god hustler that likes to rap on the side...

everything you said "WAS" spot on, back in the early 1990s...you could be somewhat fake and I would have still loved it...but things have changedd, and the realness transformed into "popness"...something I now find unacceptable for me to listen to personally...


most gangsta rappers did have an early life of dirt though...including Jay, although I don't consider him gangsta rap...

alot of the Wu was "real" in their early days...

yeah, don't get me wrong, wu were crazy "real" back in the day; from bumrushing into meetings with studio execs carrying AKs to ghostface throwing 50 cent down a flight of stairs.

a lot of the cats in the late '80s/early '90s were like that. dudes would hustle and spit rhymes on the corners to pass the time. nowadays not a single mainstream rapper is "real" as you put it.

p.s. i don't think jay was ever a big time dealer. look at the early clips of him (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1thvEtGM5M); does that look like the face of a pusher to you? :oldlol:

[~primetime~]

go read f*cking autobiographies if you want that sh*t, this is MUSIC, i don't care if MF DOOM isn't really a supervillain, if the sh*t is compelling and sounds good I'll listen to it, you care too much about things that have absolutely no effect on whether or not the music is good, and that gibbs cat is awful, he sounds the same as every single clown out there and the beats he raps on are terrible
I don't believe you...

if pac was some white kid out of Beverly Hills I don't think that you or anyone else would have bought into him...

just whatever, this is gettin old...

[Gundress]

not sure what your point is but I certainly do feel like Gibbs is much more talented lyrically than Pac ever was...

when you read comments on his YouTube stuff Pac comparisons are commonly found...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tKo0gyllKs&feature=related

^^^ read the comments there:

"Gibbs is the new pac. real *****, real talk."

you see that alot...

In a bad way or in a good way?:confusedshrug:

[Norcaliblunt]

Man I think alot of people just try and go against the grain and not like Pac because 1. he's a very popular rapper, and 2. becuase he's not a punchline rhyme as many words together rapper.

Then there's these people trying say he was fake. Well this is the 3rd time I've said this already but, THE MOFO SHOT ****ING COPS. IF THAT'S NOT "HARD" "GANGSTA" "THUG" OR WHATEVER THE HELL YOU WANNA CALL IT THAN I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS.

[Gundress]

Where is the **** Dooms in this thread?

[Doomsday Dallas]

^^^ exactly!!!

that is all it is OVER AND OVER...

ALL my freinds loved Pac and acted like he was a God, and I liked him some too but imo he one of the most overrated rappers EVER...

he wasn't even a real thug on top of that...did he ever sell dope in his life?


he was 25 years old when he died.

[~primetime~]

yeah, don't get me wrong, wu were crazy "real" back in the day; from bumrushing into meetings with studio execs carrying AKs to ghostface throwing 50 cent down a flight of stairs.

a lot of the cats in the late '80s/early '90s were like that. dudes would hustle and spit rhymes on the corners to pass the time. nowadays not a single mainstream rapper is "real" as you put it.

p.s. i don't think jay was ever a big time dealer. look at the early clips of him (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1thvEtGM5M); does that look like the face of a pusher to you? :oldlol:
exactly!!!...and it should not be seen as a coincedence that gangsta rap today sucks either!!!

it is made by either commercial has-beens or studio fakes...and I had my fill of that, I am done with it...

Gibbs reminds me of the "good old days"...when the rappers actually acted the part, and rapped about their real life...

[Gundress]

he was 25 years old when he died.


I already said to him but your boy won't listen.

[Heeere's Jonny!]

yeah, don't get me wrong, wu were crazy "real" back in the day; from bumrushing into meetings with studio execs carrying AKs to ghostface throwing 50 cent down a flight of stairs.

a lot of the cats in the late '80s/early '90s were like that. dudes would hustle and spit rhymes on the corners to pass the time. nowadays not a single mainstream rapper is "real" as you put it.

p.s. i don't think jay was ever a big time dealer. look at the early clips of him (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1thvEtGM5M); does that look like the face of a pusher to you? :oldlol:
Sure he most likely wasn't a big time dealer but it's not like he grew up in a nice situation.

I did hear he stabbed his brother though, thats pretty cool?

[Norcaliblunt]

X-Raided is the hardest for some real life gangsta ****.

[thejumpa]

Prime...you need to open your eyes to something....RAPPERS LIE. They lie there asses off to make money and get out of the ghetto. Pac did it, Jay did it, 50 did it. Nobody is "real"...and if they are, they get locked up or something bad and/or tragic happens to them.

My point is, I think you are looking too far into the music. Just enjoy it the rhymes, beats, and stories from the streets.

Besides, I don't wanna hear about some broke dude talking about selling coke for $50 bucks. What type of **** is that? I made that in an hour legally when I was 18...and if you are stupid enough to rap about street **** you really do, welllllll that will probably come back to bite you in your ass. It always does.

[Bigsmoke]

Jay-Z. he was more versatile.

Reasonable Doubt > Me Against the World

[~primetime~]

Man I think alot of people just try and go against the grain and not like Pac because 1. he's a very popular rapper, and 2. becuase he's not a punchline rhyme as many words together rapper.

Then there's these people trying say he was fake. Well this is the 3rd time I've said this already but, THE MOFO SHOT ****ING COPS. IF THAT'S NOT "HARD" "GANGSTA" "THUG" OR WHATEVER THE HELL YOU WANNA CALL IT THAN I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS.
I don't know that story...

to be clear I am generally comparing Gibbs to Jay here...not Pac so much...

Pac was less commercial than Jay, but still had commericial crap like "California Love" and others...

[~primetime~]

Prime...you need to open your eyes to something....RAPPERS LIE. They lie there asses off to make money and get out of the ghetto. Pac did it, Jay did it, 50 did it. Nobody is "real"...and if they are, they get locked up or something bad and/or tragic happens to them.
.
that is also my point as well...

My point is, I think you are looking too far into the music. Just enjoy it the rhymes, beats, and stories from the streets..
I do, but I find it impossible to enjoy over-produced made for radio garbage...

Besides, I don't wanna hear about some broke dude talking about selling coke for $50 bucks. What type of **** is that? I made that in an hour legally when I was 18...and if you are stupid enough to rap about street **** you really do, welllllll that will probably come back to bite you in your ass. It always does.
that is "REAL LIFE"!!!

much more entertaining IMO...

[Heeere's Jonny!]

Jay-Z. he was more versatile.

Reasonable Doubt > Me Against the World
Pac was pretty damn versatile. Listen to 2pacalypse now then listen to The 7 Day Theory. He also rocked slow songs with the best of them.

I like Jay more though. Mostly because of how smooth Can't Knock the Hustle is. Reasonable Doubt is just to amazing.

[Gundress]

why do you keep taking about Dooms and me defending him?

I am not defending him here?

you have brought that up many times...


I don't know but this is his thread.

1. He had been quiet since you came in.

2. You always defend him.

3. I would like to see him and you arguing (It seems you own him all the time)

4. I guess Dooms becomes a Primetime's b!tch.

5. You guys all know each other in real life.

[playtetris]

exactly!!!...and it should not be seen as a coincedence that gangsta rap today sucks either!!!

it is made by either commercial has-beens or studio fakes...and I had my fill of that, I am done with it...

Gibbs reminds me of the "good old days"...when the rappers actually acted the part, and rapped about their real life...

i actually do think it's coincidental. crews like mobb deep released some of the best gangsta rap of all time and they have been exposed numerous times as studio gangstas.


Sure he most likely wasn't a big time dealer but it's not like he grew up in a nice situation.

I did hear he stabbed his brother though, thats pretty cool?

mos def grew up a few blocks from him. lots of rappers grow up in the PJs, doesn't make them dealers.

he stabbed un riviera if i recall correctly. apparently he didn't even commit the crime, he just copped the punishment.

[thejumpa]

Jay-Z has money,fame, and a fine ass wife. He has done everything there is to do in music x5. Dude is as "real" as it get's.

I've never heard of a....."Gibbs".

[Gundress]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

wow, i cant take the irony,

freddie gibbs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOkFZZFhwIE)

this is overproduced made for radio garbage, it just never made the radio


I think Primetime just like to **** around with us, he doesn't really mean it.

[Bigsmoke]

Pac was pretty damn versatile. Listen to 2pacalypse now then listen to The 7 Day Theory. He also rocked slow songs with the best of them.

I like Jay more though. Mostly because of how smooth Can't Knock the Hustle is. Reasonable Doubt is just to amazing.

i bought all of Pacs albums. I was a Pac fan before i started listen to Jay-Z actually.

Jay-Z is a better lyricist, a more completed MC, aguably the sickest flow ever.

i can take a picture of all of the Pac albums that i owned, not downloaded, OWNED!

2pac is a legend but sometimes his sh*t is a little redundant.

[~primetime~]

:oldlol: :oldlol:

there is no f*cking comparison at all

basic Gibbs "i get that money blah blah blah, **** them hos blah blah..."

stop it, please, you have no idea on what you're talking about
Brenda isn't really a lyrical masterpeice dude...more like a hood poem or something...

you were probably in diapers when it came out...don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about when it comes to my own damn opinions...

if Gibbs did a "Brenda" today it would come off extremely elementary...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0yd73pya2w

^^^ that's a real thug

he is the RZA on the mic...but the things he says are his real life...and that does f*ckin matter very much to the listener...

that is a "realness" that pac couldn't touch imo...

[~primetime~]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

wow, i cant take the irony,

freddie gibbs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOkFZZFhwIE)

this is overproduced made for radio garbage, it just never made the radio
that was probablly produced in his damn garage...

give me a break...

the damn video looks like it was filmed with a $50 hand held...

[Heeere's Jonny!]

i actually do think it's coincidental. crews like mobb deep released some of the best gangsta rap of all time and they have been exposed numerous times as studio gangstas.



mos def grew up a few blocks from him. lots of rappers grow up in the PJs, doesn't make them dealers.

he stabbed un riviera if i recall correctly. apparently he didn't even commit the crime, he just copped the punishment.

Thats exactly what I was getting at. He probably wasn't a dealer and most likely never even did anything that would be considered "gangsta" but some of these people act like he had it easy growing up and he shouldn't even be talking about these things. He had to have seen all types of **** growing up where he did.

But if I remember right I read something about him getting kicked out of his house at 14 or so because he stabbed his older brother for wearing his ear rings.

[playtetris]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0yd73pya2w

^^^ that's a real thug

he is the RZA on the mic...but the things he says are his real life...and that does f*ckin matter very much to the listener...

that is a "realness" that pac couldn't touch imo...

wow, way to butcher the 'inside my love' minnie riperton sample. dilla and q-tip would cringe if they heard that ish. trashy, cheap arse snare and kit.

he can obviously rap, but those beats are horrific for the most part.

[Gundress]

Brenda isn't really a lyrical masterpeice dude...more like a hood poem or something...

you were probably in diapers when it came out...don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about when it comes to my own damn opinions...

if Gibbs did a "Brenda" today it would come off extremely elementary...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0yd73pya2w

^^^ that's a real thug

he is the RZA on the mic...but the things he says are his real life...and that does f*ckin matter very much to the listener...

that is a "realness" that pac couldn't touch imo...


http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/1416/67bf61925039f4c169a7e4f.gif (http://img713.imageshack.us/i/67bf61925039f4c169a7e4f.gif/)

[Heeere's Jonny!]

i bought all of Pacs albums. I was a Pac fan before i started listen to Jay-Z actually.

Jay-Z is a better lyricist, a more completed MC, aguably the sickest flow ever.

i can take a picture of all of the Pac albums that i owned, not downloaded, OWNED!

2pac is a legend but sometimes his sh*t is a little redundant.
Um ok, I bought most of Pac's albums also, doesn't really mean anything to me...

And I agree with you about everything you said about Jay, I was just saying that Pac can put out a variety of different ****. All Eyez on Me def does get redundant though.

[thejumpa]

Primetime.....you should stop. It's one thing to have an opinion. It's another to say things like "that is a realness that pac couldn't touch". No disrespect, but Pac trying to be as "real" as it get's got him killed. I swear....kids in the suburbs respect the lamest ****...

Furthermore, he sucks at rapping. I listened to 15 seconds of that **** and couldn't tell if he was from LA,Miami,or NY...turns out he's from Gary,Indiana lol. Another worldstar rapper who will drop an album and then all of a sudden pop up on YouTube with guns and jewelry....cuz he's ballin. lol GTFO with that mess.

[thejumpa]

Gundress' post says it all.

[Norcaliblunt]

I don't know that story...

to be clear I am generally comparing Gibbs to Jay here...not Pac so much...

Pac was less commercial than Jay, but still had commericial crap like "California Love" and others...


If you don't know about that story then your whole opinion and knowledge of rap/hip- hop is suspect. Can't take anything you say seriously now

[Heeere's Jonny!]

Why are you comparing him to RZA? They're nothing alike. Do you really like Rza that much anyways? I mean Wu is and always will be my favorite group of rappers ever, but RZA is probably one of my least favorite in the group. I just don't like his flow on most tracks.

The world according to Rza was dope though.

[Heeere's Jonny!]

Quick question for Tetris, who are your top five favorite producers? The line about dilla and tip reminded me to ask you.

[playtetris]

Furthermore, he sucks at rapping. .

that is not the flow of someone who sucks at rapping.




being "RZA on the mic" is a compliment????? :oldlol: so he is very mediocre??

how is rza a mediocre rapper? he has completely unique style and flow, is an amazing lyricist and has dropped countless classic verses spanning hundreds of topics.

[~primetime~]

Primetime.....you should stop. It's one thing to have an opinion. It's another to say things like "that is a realness that pac couldn't touch". No disrespect, but Pac trying to be as "real" as it get's got him killed. I swear....kids in the suburbs respect the lamest ****...

Furthermore, he sucks at rapping. I listened to 15 seconds of that **** and couldn't tell if he was from LA,Miami,or NY...turns out he's from Gary,Indiana lol. Another worldstar rapper who will drop an album and then all of a sudden pop up on YouTube with guns and jewelry....cuz he's ballin. lol GTFO with that mess.
pac didn't have to act like though...it was a choice...

watch some vids on Gary Indiana...it makes compton look like Mr. Rodgers neighborhood...

he doesn't "suck" at rapping either...

just, whatever...I guess I am just so "done" with the likes of rappers like Jay that anything "real" at this point is 10x better to me...

I never expected everyone in here to agree with that..."BETTER THAN PAC!!!??CRAZY FOOL!!!...OMG!!!!"

just the opinion of a guy who was in high school during the early 90s...grew up listening to gangsta rap, and saw it turn into "gangsta-crap"...

[playtetris]

Quick question for Tetris, who are your top five favorite producers? The line about dilla and tip reminded me to ask you.

top 5? that's tough.

pete rock is my all time favourite.
rza
premo
large professor
organized noise

just missing out:

jay dee, tip, dre, bomb squad

[~primetime~]

I ment he "ISN'T" the RZA on the mic...

my bad...

as in he doesn't huge ridiculously huge words and over complex lyrics...


acciedently typed "he is the RZA"...that isn't what I ment...

[thejumpa]

and yes, I don't understand what he's talking about "GIBBS IS SO REAL!" , when he is obviously making music purely to try and sign to a major so he can make money, doesn't sound real at all to me

He doesn't understand that what he is listening to is not "real" at all. It's actually the epitome of being fake.

[Heeere's Jonny!]

that is not the flow of someone who sucks at rapping.



how is rza a mediocre rapper? he has completely unique style and flow, is an amazing lyricist and has dropped countless classic verses spanning hundreds of topics.
IMO rza is very hit and miss. On a lot of the tracks he makes cameos in he sounds out of place. Sometimes his flow is just garbage, sometimes its awesome. I never liked his Bob Digi albums either.

[Heeere's Jonny!]

top 5? that's tough.

pete rock is my all time favourite.
rza
premo
large professor
organized noise

just missing out:

jay dee, tip, dre, bomb squad

I just feel like posting my top 5 now...

rza
dilla
dj quik
premo
i'm gonna say kanye to tell ya the truth. He uses some sick samples. Idk but he always seems to have on point beats.

[~primetime~]

lol, that has an effect on whether it is overproduced garbage that is looking to get on the radio????
I am saying i isn't overproduced because it probably only cost $50 to "produce"...

where something that jay makes would cost $50,000,000,000,000,000 to produce...

get it?

along with beyonce signing in the background...and a guest appearance by Lebron James...

BONNY AND CLYDE!!!

http://blog.banjig.net/files/user_uploads/266180/9_ba78c0d8.jpg

^^^....:ohwell:

that is just unbareable...

[Gundress]

and yes, I don't understand what he's talking about "GIBBS IS SO REAL!" , when he is obviously making music purely to try and sign to a major so he can make money, doesn't sound real at all to me


Primetime doesn't know what the **** he's talking about. What made Gibbs is so real and other rapper not? how's the difference:confusedshrug: ?

If Gibbs get a major deal....so will he say....he's not real?

[playtetris]

mediocre was an exaggeration he is mediocre for Wu, his flow isn't very good, I was just not understanding the comparison at all either

i put him behind the genius, ghost, raekwon and MAYBE rebel INS. to me he is better than meth, odb and company.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J6EK64oigg

^^^ that is blackout flow.

[Bigsmoke]

Um ok, I bought most of Pac's albums also, doesn't really mean anything to me...

And I agree with you about everything you said about Jay, I was just saying that Pac can put out a variety of different ****. All Eyez on Me def does get redundant though.


with that said. both 2pac and Jay-Z are great lyricists in their own way. I mean, i still think Jay is better but neither is better than one another at every aspect. Pac for emotions and Jay for street tails and ect. both are great story tellers. Jay-Z has "Meet the Parents" which was VERY underrated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDmzHD0zjgo

[thejumpa]

Nah...just because you have "flow" doesn't mean you can't suck at rapping. What is the dude talking about? A bunch of BS...same **** Gucci talks about. At least he can make it sound alright and has some crazy beats to go behind it. This dude is garbage. Straight garbage.

I could pick a random RZA 16 and it would be better than anything he has ever spit. That goes for anyone Wu-affiliated as well. That's an opinion that is about 99% fact.

You want real? Go holla at Bleu Davinici.....that's about as "real" as it get's hahaha

[~primetime~]

He doesn't understand that what he is listening to is not "real" at all. It's actually the epitome of being fake.
if Gibbs grew up his whole like pushin...and proably still is today...then please explain how that is the "epitome of being fake"???

[Heeere's Jonny!]

i put him behind the genius, ghost, raekwon and MAYBE rebel INS. to me he is better than meth, odb and company.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J6EK64oigg

^^^ that is blackout flow.
He def is better than meth lyrically but I love Meth's voice/flow. Meth is just one of the coolest mother****er's ever. ( until he made the how high movie and had a sitcom on fox )

As long as we're ranking **** I'd have to go (first three are interchangeable though.)

Rae
Gza
Inspectah
Ghost
Meth
Killa
Rza
Dirty
U-god

[~primetime~]

okay, but are both not looking to make money?????????
I honestly do not think Gibbs is all that interested in fame at all...

money"...that is a different story I am sure...don't think that is a fair though

I wil say this, I don't really think that Gibbs got into rap with the intent of getting rich...he claims he never grew up trying to rap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOJGDI8Lpf4

^^^ listen to what he says in the few 50 seconds there

he talks about how he never really wanted to be a rapper...

[thejumpa]

if Gibbs grew up his whole like pushin...and proably still is today...then please explain how that is the "epitome of being fake"???

Because he's the same dude that will get on a song talking about slanging keys, shooting people, and doing it big. That would be all fine and dandy but...

He is still that struggling rapper stuck in Gary, Indiana. I won't knock the hustle but that is probably the truth. Oh yeah...once he get's that major deal, look for the realness to just ooze out of him:oldlol:

[~primetime~]

his life situations don't matter at all, the fact that he is making hip hop music to try and make money is what makes him fake
bull sh*t!!!

that is complete nonsense...

he is talkin from his his gut...

by that way of viewing any thug that pics up a mic is fake...which is also complete nonsense...

[Heeere's Jonny!]

I honestly do not think Gibbs is all that interested in fame at all...

money"...that is a different story I am sure...don't think that is a fair though

I wil say this, I don't really think that Gibbs got into rap with the intent of getting rich...he claims he never grew up trying to rap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOJGDI8Lpf4

^^^ listen to what he says in the few 50 seconds there

he talks about how he never really wanted to be a rapper...
If he didn't want to get rich why would he make songs about getting rich. The last one or the one before that you posted sounded pretty commercialized.

wtf, if he didn't wanna be a rapper, he wouldn't be putting time and his own money (that's what your getting at, correct?) into making albums.

[Gundress]

I honestly do not think Gibbs is all that interested in fame at all...

money"...that is a different story I am sure...don't think that is a fair though

I wil say this, I don't really think that Gibbs got into rap with the intent of getting rich...he claims he never grew up trying to rap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOJGDI8Lpf4

^^^ listen to what he says in the few 50 seconds there

he talks about how he never really wanted to be a rapper...


http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6006/3b0e35f7200639c9ca2ee7c.gif (http://img27.imageshack.us/i/3b0e35f7200639c9ca2ee7c.gif/)

[~primetime~]

Because he's the same dude that will get on a song talking about slanging keys, shooting people, and doing it big. That would be all fine and dandy but...

He is still that struggling rapper stuck in Gary, Indiana. I won't knock the hustle but that is probably the truth. Oh yeah...once he get's that major deal, look for the realness to just ooze out of him :oldlol:
"IF" that ever happens you are 100% correct

the only real sh*t Snoop or Dirty or "insert 90s gangsta rapper here" ever made was their early sh*t...

I don't think rap will ever go back to that style though...

I am not sure where the hell rap is headed anymore to be honest...

[Gundress]

bull sh*t!!!

that is complete nonsense...

he is talkin from his his gut...

by that way of viewing any thug that pics up a mic is fake...which is also complete nonsense...


So basically you believe everything what he said?

[~primetime~]

If he didn't want to get rich why would he make songs about getting rich. The last one or the one before that you posted sounded pretty commercialized.

wtf, if he didn't wanna be a rapper, he wouldn't be putting time and his own money (that's what your getting at, correct?) into making albums.
I'm not saying he doesn't want to get rich, i am saying gangsta rap fell in his lap...

he wasn't a backstage dancer going to school with Jada Pinkett with dreams of being a rap star...

he was a hustler on the street who found out that he had talent becaue he just fell into the sh*t...

[~primetime~]

So basically you believe everything what he said?
right now I do yes...


if he turns out to be a "CB4"...???

then just like the movie "CB4" I will view his music as trash...

it will be the listeners that got hustled...

he is real though, I can tell from the way he talks about money like he is pushin pennies...rather than driving Bentleys...

If he is a fraud I would be shocked...

[Gundress]

I'm not saying he doesn't want to get rich, i am saying gangsta rap fell in his lap...

he wasn't a backstage dancer going to school with Jada Pinkett with dreams of being a rap star...

he was a hustler on the street who found out that he had talent becaue he just fell into the sh*t...


That's telling me Gibbs very ignorance n!gga. What's your opinion about 50 Cent?

[thejumpa]

he was a hustler on the street who found out that he had talent becaue he just fell into the sh*t...

So was Jay-Z, and 50, and many other cats out there. Rapping is a job...if you love to do it, then cool. Don't act like this guy didn't say "Hey, I'm gonna rap and make money...I gotta get out of this hell hole"

He tells street tales to keep YOU entertained. He may have sold a bit, or shot a pistol in the air once, but he (or anyone else) didn't do all that ****. It's fake..almost like WWF except the consequences are real.

[Heeere's Jonny!]

"IF" that ever happens you are 100% correct

the only real sh*t Snoop or Dirty or "insert 90s gangsta rapper here" ever made was their early sh*t...

I don't think rap will ever go back to that style though...

I am not sure where the hell rap is headed anymore to be honest...
Obviously any rappers only "real" **** is the **** they did early on. Once they get money from making music, they're not gonna keep standing on the corner or living in the hood. They just keep making that music because that's what people want to hear. They don't wanna hear about how they used to do this and that but now they live in the hills. (although ghost had a sick line about that in ob4cl2 "now we live in the hills like bin laden")

You really think this freddie guy will continue to live in the **** hole he lives in and keep selling crack if he ever gets any money? come on.

But yes, gangsta rap is a thing of the past. Nobody will ever be able to make a gangsta album without being questioned. Now its all about how much crack you sell, or dance/club bangers. Not that I don't like any current rap, love Charles Hamilton, Kid Cudi, and Lupe. But I don't think any of that stuff will ever really have any huge sucsess. Sure Cudi's kind of popular but it most likely wont last.

[Eldrunko247]

I am saying i isn't overproduced because it probably only cost $50 to "produce"...

where something that jay makes would cost $50,000,000,000,000,000 to produce...

get it?

along with beyonce signing in the background...and a guest appearance by Lebron James...

BONNY AND CLYDE!!!

http://blog.banjig.net/files/user_uploads/266180/9_ba78c0d8.jpg

^^^....:ohwell:

that is just unbareable...
I was just going to post this. I listened to Pac's Me and My Girlfriend and Jay's Bonnie Clyde and wanted to stab myself in the ear with a pencil listening to Jay's version. :confusedshrug:

[Gundress]

I'm not saying he doesn't want to get rich, i am saying gangsta rap fell in his lap...

he wasn't a backstage dancer going to school with Jada Pinkett with dreams of being a rap star...

he was a hustler on the street who found out that he had talent becaue he just fell into the sh*t...

50 Cent was way more a hustler on the street than Gibbs. 50 Cent was more talent back then before became a famous, well known, etc. Believe me....Gibbs would do the same but not enough.

[~primetime~]

50 Cent was way more a hustler on the street than Gibbs. 50 Cent was more talent back then before became a famous, well known, etc. Believe me....Gibbs would do the same but not enough.
50 Cent represents everything taht went wrong with gangsta rap...

"find me in club, bottle full of bub..."

"When I pull out up front, you see the Benz on dubs..."

:banghead:

he is beyond garbage...and I don't even give a sh*t if he was real...his music isn't real...

[playtetris]

But yes, gangsta rap is a thing of the past. Nobody will ever be able to make a gangsta album without being questioned. Now its all about how much crack you sell, or dance/club bangers. Not that I don't like any current rap, love Charles Hamilton, Kid Cudi, and Lupe. But I don't think any of that stuff will ever really have any huge sucsess. Sure Cudi's kind of popular but it most likely wont last.

nah, there are still cats like sean p who put out great gangsta rap (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3-57DLsJAc&feature=player_embedded). way



how does that change anything? he rhymes about the same sh*t as all of them

it's not WHAT you rap about, but how you do it. cats like sean price write about the same things as dudes like wayne and gucci man, but they do it with a whole lot more flair.

[v-unit]

Pac is one of the most simplistic lyricists ever in rap. Jay beats him by a mile but that doesn't mean Jay is the clear cut GOAT. Pac isn't even top 5 IMO and plenty of other people's opinion.

[Gundress]

50 Cent represents everything taht went wrong with gangsta rap...

"find me in club, bottle full of bub..."

"When I pull out up front, you see the Benz on dubs..."

:banghead:

he is beyond garbage...and I don't even give a sh*t if he was real...his music isn't real...


Exactly.... Before he got a major deal, he was the exact Gibbs....I am telling you........if Gibbs gets a major deal then he would do the same thing what 50 Cent has done and you will turns against him..."He isn't sh!t,his music isn't real, he sold out", etc.

[playtetris]

Pac is one of the most simplistic lyricists ever in rap. Jay beats him by a mile but that doesn't mean Jay is the clear cut GOAT. Pac isn't even top 5 IMO and plenty of other people's opinion.

pac is nowhere near top 5

[~primetime~]

yes but i see no creativity in this gibbs and primetime only cares about realness not talent
his realness is his talent imo...I really just don't think you will ever "get it"...



I like that Sean P btw...

gonna look into him some more...

he doesn't seem as hood at first glance though...

[Gundress]

50 Cent represents everything taht went wrong with gangsta rap...

"find me in club, bottle full of bub..."

"When I pull out up front, you see the Benz on dubs..."

:banghead:

he is beyond garbage...and I don't even give a sh*t if he was real...his music isn't real...

It's a business. In The Club was buzzed in the street and it was hot at the time. 50 Cent had to listen to his boss and I am sure Gibbs would do the same.

Biggie Small didn't want to do the song "Juicy" because he was a hip-hop head but Puff wanted him to do because they need a "hit" song. It's business.

[Heeere's Jonny!]

nah, there are still cats like sean p who put out great gangsta rap (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3-57DLsJAc&feature=player_embedded). way




Well yeah but I meant it won't ever be as big as it was in the mid 90's. You won't see 16 year old white kids in the suburbs bumpin anything like that.

[Heeere's Jonny!]

pac is nowhere near top 5
lyrically not even top 20 imo. Actually not top 20 in anything but influence, which he is probably top 5.

[~primetime~]

I'll be honest Gibbs isn't really that creative at all...you are right it is just his realness that I like...

he isn't doing anything that hasn't been done before...

it just seems like what it is he is doing is something that used to exist a long time ago, but somehow dissappeared from rap...

he reminds me of what it once was...

he does seem like it is somewhat upgraded from the early 90s though...you can tell it isn't THAT old...

[v-unit]

not sure what your point is but I certainly do feel like Gibbs is much more talented lyrically than Pac ever was...

when you read comments on his YouTube stuff Pac comparisons are commonly found...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tKo0gyllKs&feature=related

^^^ read the comments there:

"Gibbs is the new pac. real *****, real talk."

you see that alot...

Hey man, just letting you know that I'm never going to take another word you say about rap seriously. Ever.

[~primetime~]

It's a business. In The Club was buzzed in the street and it was hot at the time. 50 Cent had to listen to his boss and I am sure Gibbs would do the same.

Biggie Small didn't want to do the song "Juicy" because he was a hip-hop head but Puff wanted him to do because they need a "hit" song. It's business.
Gibbs hasn't fallin into that yet though...

right now at this moment he is still fresh off the street...

still "raw"...still "real"...

he doesn't have an "in the club"...or a "juicy"...

he doesn't have a Puff Daddy dancing in the background...or Eminem endorsing him...

all he has is himself...

[playtetris]

his realness is his talent imo...I really just don't think you will ever "get it"...



I like that Sean P btw...

gonna look into him some more...

he doesn't seem as hood at first glance though...

:oldlol:
trust me, he's hood. his partner in the group heltah skeltah got arrested for attempting to kill a pimp (http://www.xxlmag.com/online/?p=45628). the convenience store in the first shot of that video is smack bang in the middle of the hood in brownsville.

[Gundress]

I honestly believe Primetime just ****ing around with us......no way he would be saying shit like this.

I am done talking and I am out out of here.

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/8277/831ec53620cff86527418a0.gif (http://img521.imageshack.us/i/831ec53620cff86527418a0.gif/)

[~primetime~]

i just don't think you understand, the fact that he is living what his rhymes are about don't make them different in any way except make you happy
they make his words "REAL"...

that matters in music dude...almost all music

the people that listen to Bob Marely and treat him like a god do so because he IS HIS MUSIC!!!...those are his real words...

If Pac was some white boy from Beverly Hills he would have no hits...

If tomorrow I find out Gibbs is really just a Hollywood actor, his words would be sh*t to me...his raps would be a joke...


and he would win an Oscar...:oldlol:

[Heeere's Jonny!]

Gibbs hasn't fallin into that yet though...

right now at this moment he is still fresh off the street...

still "raw"...still "real"...

he doesn't have an "in the club"...or a "juicy"...

he doesn't have a Puff Daddy dancing in the background...or Eminem endorsing him...

all he has is himself...
The SECOND he gets signed, if he gets signed, he will make a "in da club" song, and you can bet on that. Every "gangsta" rapper starts out "real" and then gets less and less "gangsta". I mean look at Ice Cube (not that he was real AT ALL), but look at the music he made, and then look what he's doing now.

And you don't think Gibbs would have his producer dancin around in the background if it meant he was gonna make hella money? I def think he would, there's no way he doesn't wanna get money, doesn't care, blah blah blah.

[Gundress]

Gibbs hasn't fallin into that yet though...

right now at this moment he is still fresh off the street...

still "raw"...still "real"...

he doesn't have an "in the club"...or a "juicy"...

he doesn't have a Puff Daddy dancing in the background...or Eminem endorsing him...

all he has is himself...


:roll: :roll: :roll: :oldlol:

I knew it...he bullsh!t with us

[~primetime~]

:oldlol:
trust me, he's hood. his partner in the group heltah skeltah got arrested for attempting to kill a pimp (http://www.xxlmag.com/online/?p=45628). the convenience store in the first shot of that video is smack bang in the middle of the hood in brownsville.
Okay...I'm gonna give that dude a good listen...

looks like he could be the real thing also...

[v-unit]

primetime you have hip hop completely twisted with something else in your fantasy imagination of yours. Hip hop is music just like any genre, you don't need to be a thug to make hip hop. Look at Lupe Fiasco, Kanye West, Eminem and plenty of other artists. The worst rap is the rap that is "real" where they talk about shooting, gangbanging and thug activities as anybody could write that. But if you have cornrows, a mean mug and no mainstream popularity then you will be looked at as real.

Seriously, grow up.

[~primetime~]

primetime you have hip hop completely twisted with something else in your fantasy imagination of yours. Hip hop is music just like any genre, you don't need to be a thug to make hip hop. Look at Lupe Fiasco, Kanye West, Eminem and plenty of other artists. The worst rap is the rap that is "real" where they talk about shooting, gangbanging and thug activities as anybody could write that. But if you have cornrows, a mean mug and no mainstream popularity then you will be looked at as real.

Seriously, grow up.
I am grown up and that is why I can't listen to today's garbage...

booties shaken in the faces of dudes with enormous diamonds covering them riding in a f*ckin maybach...

THAT IS FOR KIDS

pop music...

kanye and lupe are not gangsta rap...that is different...

that is "f@g-rap"...lol

just kiddin with you...:oldlol:


no, like I said earlier:

When I watch an action movie I like to see MFers gettin shot

When I listen to rap music I like to hear about MFers gettin shot


I am just more entertained by hood rap vs. "freindly" rap...whatever you want to call it..."pop rap"...

[~primetime~]

:banghead: :banghead:

just dont, listen to him if you wanna listen to great music not because he's "REAL"
I will listen to him because he might be real and not the common fake...

this is something you will obviously just NEVER understand I see

just forget about it..and accept that who the musician is in real life matters to me if I am suppose to take their words seriously...

[Gundress]

primetime you have hip hop completely twisted with something else in your fantasy imagination of yours. Hip hop is music just like any genre, you don't need to be a thug to make hip hop. Look at Lupe Fiasco, Kanye West, Eminem and plenty of other artists. The worst rap is the rap that is "real" where they talk about shooting, gangbanging and thug activities as anybody could write that. But if you have cornrows, a mean mug and no mainstream popularity then you will be looked at as real.

Seriously, grow up.


For first time!

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/364/f0364405595c.gif (http://img14.imageshack.us/i/f0364405595c.gif/)

[v-unit]

kanye and lupe are not gangsta rap...that is different...

that is "f@g-rap"...lol

just kiddin with you...:oldlol:

lol



no, like I said earlier:

When I watch an action movie I like to see MFers gettin shot

When I listen to rap music I like to hear about MFers gettin shot


I am just more entertained by hood rap vs. "freindly" rap...whatever you want to call it..."pop rap"...

Oh ok. Well thats good to know so when another rap discussion takes place, we'll be sure to know not to take your opinion seriously as you base your rap opinions on what entertains you as appose to what really deserves to be aknowledged as art, good lyrics, etc.

Glad we got things cleared...

[Gundress]

I will listen to him because he might be real and not the common fake...

this is something you will obviously just NEVER understand I see

just forget about it..and accept that who the musician is in real life matters to me if I am suppose to take their words seriously...


you confused the hell out of me.

Pac was no real but the fact he shot the two cops.


In his song, "You love to shoot a ***** but you scared to pop a cop" and Pac is not real? :banghead:

[~primetime~]

lol




Oh ok. Well thats good to know so when another rap discussion takes place, we'll be sure to know not to take your opinion seriously as you base your rap opinions on what entertains you as appose to what really deserves to be aknowledged as art, good lyrics, etc.

Glad we got things cleared...
there is no right or wrong here..."art is subjective"

I think rap today in general is garbage and you don't...simple as that...

and "no" I have not listened to ALL OF IT...but in general it has become childish garbage...

^^^ that is called an "opinion"

do you have things things cleared?

[v-unit]

it wouldn't matter if you cared about QUALITY music first and foremost but you do not, as long as the rapper is "REAL" it doesn't matter if he is complete trash you'll claim he is great

Agreed.

Primetime if a guy was on the news for killing police, raping women, shooting up corner stores and burglary AND he got off free and then started rapping, would you consider him the best if he said:

yo i shot this cop so hard his blood squirted out fast
then i robbed a corner store, raped a bitch and robber her home
then i shot a cop who wasn't even chasing me

as their first verse, would you consider them great? Everything has been documented in the news so you know its real, but it doesn't matter about the quality of the lyrics because as long as he is telling the truth about his hard life, he is a great rapper.

?

[Gundress]

Then what about 2Pac...you ignored my post.


you confused the hell out of me.

Pac was no real but the fact he shot the two cops.


In his song, "You love to shoot a ***** but you scared to pop a cop" and Pac is not real? :banghead:

[plowking]

biggie is the only one from that group that released a better album than jay. pun is merely kool g rap reincarnated.



gross hyperbole. in fact, it's his only passable album. to me it's still patchy; probably a 7/10 LP.

What is it with you hating on Pun and Pac? Only passable album? GTFO.

Also those saying Jay is so gifted lyrically, where are all these songs? Pac gets so criminally underrated lyrically that it's not funny. People seem to think its just stringing the longest words together that makes a good lyricist. It's content as well.

[playtetris]

What is it with you hating on Pun and Pac? Only passable album? GTFO.

Also those saying Jay is so gifted lyrically, where are all these songs? Pac gets so criminally underrated lyrically that it's not funny. People seem to think its just stringing the longest words together that makes a good lyricist. It's content as well.

pun is >> pac. pac is ridiculously overrated, much like kobe in the nba. that must make me the knoe of ISH's hip hop listenership.

listen to 'reasonable doubt', it is unequivocally better than any album pac has ever released, especially lyrically. 'capital punishment' is dope, but still not as good as 'reasonable doubt'.

[plowking]

pun is >> pac. pac is ridiculously overrated, much like kobe in the nba. that must make me the knoe of ISH's hip hop listenership.

listen to 'reasonable doubt', it is unequivocally better than any album pac has ever released, especially lyrically. 'capital punishment' is dope, but still not as good as 'reasonable doubt'.

AE> CP> RD.

All you seem to care about is techincal skills, and even when it comes to that, give me Pac over Jay. I don't care what anyone says, I don't see these amazing lyrical skills Jay possesses. Reasonable Doubt was the peak of his career, and lyrically it was nothing that hadn't been seen.

[playtetris]

AE> CP> RD.

All you seem to care about is techincal skills, and even when it comes to that, give me Pac over Jay. I don't care what anyone says, I don't see these amazing lyrical skills Jay possesses. Reasonable Doubt was the peak of his career, and lyrically it was nothing that hadn't been seen.

not at all. i love emotion as much as the next person, but pac's stale flow and mediocre lyrics have never done it for me. give me biggie's impassioned baritone over pac anyday.


My mind is infested, with sick thoughts that circle
like a Lexus, if driven wrong it's sure to hurt you
Dual level like duplexes, in unity, my crew and me
commit atrocities like we got immunity
You guessed it, manifest it in tangible goods
Platinum Rolexed it, we don't lease
we buy the whole car, as you should
My confederation, dead a nation, EXPLODE
on detonation, overload the mind of a said patient
When it balls to steam, it comes to it
we all fiends gotta do it, even righteous minds go through this
True this, history school us to spend our money foolish
Bond with jewellers and, watch for intruders
I stepped it up another level, meditated like a buddhist
Recruited lieutenants with ludicrous, dreams of
gettin cream let's do this, against TDS
So I keep one eye open like, C-B-S, ya see me
stressed right? Can I live?


you don't see the lyrical genius in that?

how about this:


We used to fight for building blocks
Now we fight for blocks with buildings that make a killing
The closest of friends when we first started
But grew apart as the money grew, and soon grew black-hearted
Thinkin back when we first learned to use rubbers
He never learned so in turn I'm kidnappin his baby's mother
My hand around her collar, feeding her cheese
She said the taste of dollars was ****ty so I fed her fifties
About his whereabouts I wasn't convinced
So I kept feedin her money 'til her **** started to make sense/cents
Who could ever foresee, we used to stay up all night at slumber parties
Now I'm tryin to rock this bitch to sleep
All the years we were real close
Now I see his fears through her tears
Know she's wishin we were still close
Don't cry, it is to be
In time, I'll take away your miseries and make 'em mine, D'Evils...

[plowking]

Nothing better than what 2pac has done in some of his songs...

[playtetris]

Nothing better than what 2pac has done in some of his songs...

really? post pac's lyrics that are better than that first verse

[v-unit]

Man plowking this is dissapointing. Jay-Z wasn't anything close then to what he is now, any image you have of him should be whiped clean when listening to RD. IMO it's unmatched by any artist, yes I take it over Illmatic.

[plowking]

Man plowking this is dissapointing. Jay-Z wasn't anything close then to what he is now, any image you have of him should be whiped clean when listening to RD. IMO it's unmatched by any artist, yes I take it over Illmatic.


I loved RD... Blueprint and Black album were okay as well. Everything else was pure garbage. And no, RD is no where near Illmatic in terms of anything when it comes to judging a rap album.

playtetris go look at troublesome 96', If I die tonight, no more pain, etc.

[Andrei89]

Tupca wouldn't be worth **** if he was alive. He died and got famous

If Jay-z dies: Jay-z>Tupac

[halffttime]

you can't compare the two.. how do you even decide who's better? can't deny jay-z's lyrics are better though.. just below nas' level

[NastaMaverick]

How the hell is Pac getting this much hate. Has anyone actually listened to All Eyez on me? classic after classic.

[plowking]

How the hell is Pac getting this much hate. Has anyone actually listened to All Eyez on me? classic after classic.

Apparently his lyrics, flow, and content sucks. Guy must be the highest selling rap artist by accident. It's like he tripped on the mic and random noises came out and people just liked it.

[oh the horror]

If you dont have an inkling for liking Pac's music, then someone should bury you in the dirt, because you dont have a pulse.


Some of his jams are beyond good. Not ALL of his sh*t is good, but most of them are downright classics, and his rhyming ability is off the chain.


Like i said, someone put these people in the ground, because they're brain dead, without a pulse.

[Brandon Roy]

Tupac is my favorite rapper of all time. I grew up listening to his music. However, Jay-Z is the better technical lyricist. Pac has way more meaningful and powerful music, no doubt, but if you went up to any long-time hip-hop heads and said that Pac was a better emcee (as opposed to rapper), they would laugh at you.

Jay is just on another level with his skill, and that's no diss to Pac. Jay-Z's flow, wordplay, versatility, metaphors, charisma are all nothing to scoff at. He's widely accepted as probably the greatest emcee of all time by other hip-hop greats. These greats include Rakim and Chuck D.

In terms of technical skill, Tupac had a great delivery, voice, and lyrical content. There are times when he chose to shine in terms of lyricism, but that was not his focus. He was more focused on making a difference in his community.

If you need evidence (song by song, line by line) that Jay is technically better than Pac was, I will be happy to give it to you.

[beasly15]

i read the first page. i'll just stop right here.

[phoenix18]

really? post pac's lyrics that are better than that first verse

"You know they got me trapped in this prison of seclusion
Happiness, living on tha streets is a delusion
Even a smooth criminal one day must get caught
Shot up or shot down with tha bullet that he bought
Nine millimeter kickin' thinking about what tha streets do
to me
Cause they never talk peace in tha black community
All we know is violence, do tha job in silence
Walk tha city streets like a rat pack of tyrants
Too many brothers daily heading for tha big penn
****** commin' out worse offthan when they went in
Over tha years I done alot of growin' up
Getten drunk thrown' up
Cuffed up
Then I said I had enough
There must be another route, way out
To money and fame, I changed my name
And played a different game
Tired of being trapped in this vicious cycle
If one more cop harrasses me I just might go psycho
And when I gettem
I'll hittem with tha bum rush
Only a lunatic would like to see his skull crushed
Yo, if your smart you'll really let me go 'G'
But keep me cooped up in this ghetto and catch tha uzi
They got me trapped...."


"The question I wonder is after death, after my last breath
When will I finaly get to rest? Through this supression
they punish the people that's askin questions
And those that possess, steal from the ones without possesions
The message I stress: to make it stop study your lessons
Don't settle for less - even the genius asks-es questions
Be grateful for blessings
Don't ever change, keep your essence
The power is in the people and politics we address
Always do your best, don't let the pressure make you panic
And when you get stranded
And things don't go the way you planned it
Dreamin of riches, in a position of makin a difference
Politicians and hypocrites, they don't wanna listen
If I'm insane, it's the fame made a brother change
It wasn't nuttin like the game
It's just me against the world"

"Perhaps I was blind to the facts, stabbed in the back
I couldn't trust my own homies just a bunch a dirty rats
Will I, succeed, paranoid from the weed
And hocus pocus try to focus but I can't see
And in my mind I'ma blind man doin time
Look to my future cause my past, is all behind me
Is it a crime, to fight, for what is mine?
Everybody's dyin tell me what's the use of tryin
I've been Trapped since birth, cautious, cause I'm cursed
And fantasies of my family, in a hearse
And they say it's the white man I should fear
But, it's my own kind doin all the killin here
I can't lie, ain't no love for the other side
Jealousy inside, make em wish I died
Oh my Lord, tell me what I'm livin for
Everybody's droppin got me knockin on heaven's door
And all my memories, of seein brothers bleed
And everybody grieves, but still nobody sees
Recollect your thoughts don't get caught up in the mix
Cause the media is full of dirty tricks
Only God can judge me"

[Eldrunko247]

Tupac is my favorite rapper of all time. I grew up listening to his music. However, Jay-Z is the better technical lyricist. Pac has way more meaningful and powerful music, no doubt, but if you went up to any long-time hip-hop heads and said that Pac was a better emcee (as opposed to rapper), they would laugh at you.

Jay is just on another level with his skill, and that's no diss to Pac. His flow, wordplay, versatility, metaphors, charisma are all nothing to scoff at. He's widely accepted as maybe the greatest emcee of all time by other hip-hop greats. These greats include Rakim and Chuck D.

In terms of technical skill, Tupac had a great delivery, voice, and lyrical content. There are times when he shined in terms of lyricism, but that was not his focus. He was more focused on making a difference in his community.

If you need evidence (song by song, line by line) that Jay is technically better than Pac was, I will be happy to give it to you.
Pac died at 25. Jay is 40. That's 15 more years in the game. Pac never had a chance to evolve. He rapped about what was going on at the time. You also contradict yourself when you say "However, Jay-Z is the better technical lyricist. Pac has way more meaningful and powerful music". What's the point of being a "better lyricist" when those words are not very meaningful or powerful? Jay Z also steals material and tweaks them a bit that goes over a lot of people's heads. So you're comparing a 25 yr old Tupac who is giving Jay a 15 year handicap who benefited from the two best rappers at the time going down. P4P I would take Pac. I don't even think Jay is better than Nas or Eminem.

[plowking]

Exactly. People seem to think lyricism is just putting together the longer more complex words in, etc which are technically better and so on. Tupac's lyrics had more meaning and they were delivered far better.

[Brandon Roy]

Pac died at 25. Jay is 40. That's 15 more years in the game. Pac never had a chance to evolve. He rapped about what was going on at the time. You also contradict yourself when you say "However, Jay-Z is the better technical lyricist. Pac has way more meaningful and powerful music". What's the point of being a "better lyricist" when those words are not very meaningful or powerful? Jay Z also steals material and tweaks them a bit that goes over a lot of people's heads. So you're comparing a 25 yr old Tupac who is giving Jay a 15 year handicap who benefited from the two best rappers at the time going down. P4P I would take Pac. I don't even think Jay is better than Nas or Eminem.
Jay has always been the better technical emcee, even when Tupac was alive. I believe Jay was 2 years older than Pac, but they were still about the same age. Reasonable Doubt trumps anything Tupac did lyrically. I agree that Nas and Eminem are probably better technically, but you're naming two of the most insanely gifted emcees ever. This does not mean Jay sucks by any stretch of the imagination.

For you to suggest that Jay is better because he had more time is laughable. Jay has gotten worse over the years, not better. He even admitted to this.

And also, it doesn't seem like you're familiar with what lyricism is. Lyricism is like a craft. You can be very skilled at it and can get better or worse at it with practice. Like in basketball, Kobe is technically more skilled than LeBron is. But LeBron is more effective. Likewise, Jay is way more skilled than Pac ever was, but Pac was more effective because of a certain gift he had for putting his emotions on the track. So, no, I did not contradict myself.

Plowking, no one is suggesting that Jay is a better lyricist because he puts big words together. This is not true of Jay. Jay is not known for using big words, but for effectively using small ones. He dumbed down for his audience to double his dollars.

Jay is a wordsmith. Pac was a poet. To favor one over the other is based on OPINION, not fact. They are two different types of artists and both of them should be appreciated for what they have brought to their art.

[GOBB]

2pac vs jay z = kobe vs bron = apples and oranges

I enjoy both. No point of arguing because its nothing more than an opinion based on preferance.

[Eldrunko247]

Jay has always been the better technical emcee, even when Tupac was alive. I believe Jay was 2 years older than Pac, but they were still about the same age. Reasonable Doubt trumps anything Tupac did lyrically. I agree that Nas and Eminem are probably better technically, but you're naming two of the most insanely gifted emcees ever. This does not mean Jay sucks by any stretch of the imagination.

For you to suggest that Jay is better because he had more time is laughable. Jay has gotten worse over the years, not better. He even admitted to this.

And also, it doesn't seem like you're familiar with what lyricism is. Lyricism is like a craft. You can be very skilled at it and can get better or worse at it with practice. Like in basketball, Kobe is technically more skilled than LeBron is. But LeBron is more effective. Likewise, Jay is way more skilled than Pac ever was, but Pac was more effective because of a certain gift he had for putting his emotions on the track. So, no, I did not contradict myself.

Plowking, no one is suggesting that Jay is a better lyricist because he puts big words together. This is not true of Jay. Jay is not known for using big words, but for effectively using small ones. He dumbed down for his audience to double his dollars.

Jay is a wordsmith. Pac was a poet. To favor one over the other is based on OPINION, not fact. They are two different types of artists and both of them should be appreciated for what they have brought to their art.
That I can agree with. My problem is with Jay Z fans putting Pac down to prop their man up.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Here the message for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axWsbQhNCs0
:oldlol:

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

lol at jaY z vs. tupac. if jay z died at the age of 25, we would have never even knew who the fck he was. /thread

[v-unit]

lol at jaY z vs. tupac. if jay z died at the age of 25, we would have never even knew who the fck he was. /thread

What? I don't understand the point of this post, go away :oldlol:

It seems that the more years that go by the more and more 2pac is being brought down in the totum pole. In my opinion, he was so big because he made music that was relateable to the thugs of America and that emotion he brought in was enough to replace his weak lyrics and flow. No one could match his music at the time in the sense of reaching out to the listener, he came out and said what a lot of people in the ghetto were thinking at the time.

Unfortunatly, times have changed and not everyone lives in those conditions anymore. Once you lose that relateable / emotional factor, you start to see through his lines and how predictable they are. Rhyme schemes like

A
A
B
B
C
C

Are as simple as it gets. All three of the elite rappers remaining have a great flow that runs circles around that ^^

[RidonKs]

2pac vs jay z = kobe vs bron = apples and oranges

I enjoy both. No point of arguing because its nothing more than an opinion based on preferance.
"2pac vs jay z = kobe vs bron = apples and oranges" = "i gotta cop-out because i can't articulate my thoughts"

i can't really chime in. i only know pac's hits, and never felt them too much so i never bothered listening to any of his full lengths. nothing about him really appeals to me, and i'm sort of averse to the that style of 90s production that he uses so often. i definitely prefer jay. although tetris has a clear case of haters clouded mind on this one.

and for the love of god primetime, stop trying to talk about hip hop.

[~primetime~]

"2pac vs jay z = kobe vs bron = apples and oranges" = "i gotta cop-out because i can't articulate my thoughts"

i can't really chime in. i only know pac's hits, and never felt them too much so i never bothered listening to any of his full lengths. nothing about him really appeals to me, and i'm sort of averse to the that style of 90s production that he uses so often. i definitely prefer jay. although tetris has a clear case of haters clouded mind on this one.

and for the love of god primetime, stop trying to talk about hip hop.
care to "articulate your thoughts" as to why I should stop in here?

other than GOBB, I am probably the only one in here that wasn't in f*ckin diapers when Brenda came out...

hip hop has sucked for the past decade, that isn't some crazy opinion that only I have...anyone my age understands the sh*t slope it went down...

[~primetime~]

you haven't even listened to any of Pac but you are telling me to stop?

you're right, you can't chime in...

[v-unit]

care to "articulate your thoughts" as to why I should stop in here?

other than GOBB, I am probably the only one in here that wasn't in f*ckin diapers when Brenda came out...

hip hop has sucked for the past decade, that isn't some crazy opinion that only I have...anyone my age understands the sh*t slope it went down...

Why do you keep posting that this era of rap sucks? It's not as good as it used to be, who cares. That isn't even the issue in this thread, lol. Jay released his first classic in 96. Then another 3 albums in the 90's. Not to mention hip hop in the early decade was very strong with a lot of input from Jay. Point is it has nothing to do with eras.

Jay's top 5:
Reasonable Doubt
Blueprint
Black Album
American Gangster
*up to you* I say Volume 1

Those 5 are way better than any list you can come up with for Pac.

[RidonKs]

yeah. i already said that. but feel free to reiterate what i admit and claim it as victory. and then pat yourself on the back afterwards.


hip hop has sucked for the past decade
this. seriously, do you not remember about... three weeks ago? you said the same thing, you got your ass jumped by at least three of us (myself and tetris included), and you immediately rescinded your comment. and here you are again, toting bullsh*t as if you have any credibility in the subject. its like every conversation with you takes place in an isolated vaccuum separate from everything thats already been said about everything, because you never seem to remember the (perfectly valid) points that get hammered into your skull time and time again on this forum. you just resort to the same old tired arguments that never change and always lose.

i want you to make me a list of the post-2000 hip hop albums you've listened to. you're such a f*cking doorknob with this sh*t. and for the love of god, don't come back at me highlighting a single sentence from this post in red and ranting that 90s hiphop is superior. you're right, it is better. but even if that's the case, you have absolutely NO RIGHT to make the claim. its like me trying to compare analytical abilities between yourself and somebody i've never met and never talked to online. not only do i not know you very well, but i haven't even encountered the other person. they're in the realm of 'complete and utter unknown'. please put that analogy into the context of our conversation on your own. i refuse to explain it.

but really, all of that has nothing to do with why you're wrong in this thread. that's an entirely different conversation from what you've discussed with v and al in this thread (and really, you have to know you're in the wrong when you manage to turn THOSE two into a tandem duo against you). you've tried your best to argue this whole 'but they're REAL' point for years, and it never works, because its a stupid point. again, stop.

that 'articulate your thoughts' crap was a f*cking joke btw. obviously gobb can talk hip hop if he wants.

[~primetime~]

Why do you keep posting that this era of rap sucks? It's not as good as it used to be, who cares. That isn't even the issue in this thread, lol. Jay released his first classic in 96. Then another 3 albums in the 90's. Not to mention hip hop in the early decade was very strong with a lot of input from Jay. Point is it has nothing to do with eras.

Jay's top 5:
Reasonable Doubt
Blueprint
Black Album
American Gangster
*up to you* I say Volume 1

Those 5 are way better than any list you can come up with for Pac.
that's your opinion...

I am with GOBB on this, apples and oranges

IMO Jay's commercial crap is everything I hate about what happened to hip hop...

I brought up this past decade being garbade because it was the last thing I was talking about in here when Ridonks told me to stop...

I am wondering why he thinks my views on that are so crazy...

[~primetime~]

yeah. i already said that. but feel free to reiterate what i admit and claim it as victory. and then pat yourself on the back afterwards.


this. seriously, do you not remember about... three weeks ago? you said the same thing, you got your ass jumped by at least three of us (myself and tetris included), and you immediately rescinded your comment. and here you are again, toting bullsh*t as if you have any credibility in the subject. its like every conversation with you takes place in an isolated vaccuum separate from everything thats already been said about everything, because you never seem to remember the (perfectly valid) points that get hammered into your skull time and time again on this forum. you just resort to the same old tired arguments that never change and always lose.

i want you to make me a list of the post-2000 hip hop albums you've listened to. you're such a f*cking doorknob with this sh*t. and for the love of god, don't come back at me highlighting a single sentence from this post in red and ranting that 90s hiphop is superior. you're right, it is better. but even if that's the case, you have absolutely NO RIGHT to make the claim. its like me trying to compare analytical abilities between yourself and somebody i've never met and never talked to online. not only do i not know you very well, but i haven't even encountered the other person. they're in the realm of 'complete and utter unknown'. please put that analogy into the context of our conversation on your own. i refuse to explain it.

but really, all of that has nothing to do with why you're wrong in this thread. that's an entirely different conversation from what you've discussed with v and al in this thread (and really, you have to know you're in the wrong when you manage to turn THOSE two into a tandem duo against you). you've tried your best to argue this whole 'but they're REAL' point for years, and it never works, because its a stupid point. again, stop.

that 'articulate your thoughts' crap was a f*cking joke btw. obviously gobb can talk hip hop if he wants.
I stopped at the red...

I have listened TO ALL OF PAC's SH*T

including damn near every appearence he has ever made on other albums...

I have also listened to all of Jay's sh*t pre-2000

I am very familiar with both

You and vag-unit's baby asses didn't jump me in another thread...you were tryong to convince me that Kanye and Lupe were awesome...

THEY SUCK!!!

don't jump in here telling me that my opinion has no merit when you are open about your own lacking any...

[RidonKs]

i'm glad you stopped. it serves as unnecessary proof of what everybody already knows.

but i still love you, prime. ;)

[~primetime~]

but really, all of that has nothing to do with why you're wrong in this thread.
then why are you bringing it in here?

when listening to gangsta rap in general it does make a difference who the artist is in real life...

THEY will tell you themselves...in fact, it is damn near ALL THEY TALK ABOUT


*sigh

I really should stop in here...but it certainly isn't because I am f*ckin wrong

[~primetime~]

i'm glad you stopped. it serves as unnecessary proof of what everybody already knows.

but i still love you, prime. ;)
If ever once in your life you decide to go against the grain on ISH...EVER

I will be there to add some kicks...even if "I can't chime in"...

;)

[RidonKs]

the problem isn't that it should hold no weight. that should clearly be a factor - nobody likes a poser, especially when they aren't upfront about it. and none of the rappers i'm sure you're generally referring to are upfront. but you're clearing putting too much weight into dude's real lives when gauging artists and talent, which is wrong. a little hyperbole never hurt anybody in the rap game, and generally made things more interesting. i'm not defending suburb bob who goes into the studio and spits about slinging crack in the slums and increasing the murder rate. but freddie gibbs isn't a godsend just because he's had a rough and tumble life and decided to spit about it with a decent flow. that's just flat out not enough to give somebody the advantage over... wait, did you say he was better than jay? if not, forgive me, if so, get f*cking real.


If ever once in your life you decide to go against the grain on ISH...EVER
:roll:

i admit i used to be really impressionable on this site, but that's just a part of growing up. i'm sure i'll continue to realize mistaken beliefs i've held throughout my life, but at the time being, i think i'm more than independent enough with my thoughts on this board. but i do take your advice sincerely, because what you said is definitely an important part of getting older.

[Norcaliblunt]

Primetime dosen't even know the story about Pac shooting 2 off duty police officers, so his whole standing on a soap box saying I was in high school when Brenda dropped is void. Who cares? Your knowledge is obiviously limited.

And yes commercial rap has sucked for the past decade. But the underground has had some good stuff.

[RidonKs]

But the underground has had some good stuff.
about which primey knows less than i know about pac.

[~primetime~]

the problem isn't that it should hold no weight. that should clearly be a factor - nobody likes a poser, especially when they aren't upfront about it. and none of the rappers i'm sure you're generally referring to are upfront. but you're clearing putting too much weight into dude's real lives when gauging artists and talent, which is wrong. a little hyperbole never hurt anybody in the rap game, and generally made things more interesting. i'm not defending suburb bob who goes into the studio and spits about slinging crack in the slums and increasing the murder rate. but freddie gibbs isn't a godsend just because he's had a rough and tumble life and decided to spit about it with a decent flow. that's just flat out not enough to give somebody the advantage over... wait, did you say he was better than jay? if not, forgive me, if so, get f*cking real.
there is not "right or wrong" in the way that any listener decides to gauge a f8ckin artist...

"ART IS SUBJECTIVE"

how the f*ck are you gonna tell me the way I determine what is good is 'wrong"?

you know what, maybe Jay and Pac are 10x more skilled than Gibbs...it doesn't matter because I am scik to death of both of them...Jay turned into commercial garbage YEARS ago...

I stopped listening to rap years ago, BECAUSE IT TURNED FAKE!!!

the only reason I even gave Gibbs a chance is because I am done with fake crap commercial BS...I AM DONE DONE DONE DONE...can't type "DONE" enough...

I am so done that the minute I see a single diamond on a rapper...I AM OUT

younger people might not understand it, but Gibbs reminds me of what gangsta rap waas in the 90s...back when it was real...and "good"

[phoenix18]

Has prime ever posted a pic?

[~primetime~]

Primetime dosen't even know the story about Pac shooting 2 off duty police officers, so his whole standing on a soap box saying I was in high school when Brenda dropped is void. Who cares? Your knowledge is obiviously limited.

And yes commercial rap has sucked for the past decade. But the underground has had some good stuff.

about which primey knows less than i know about pac.
but Gibbs is underground...

we are talking about pac and jay...

I am open to other underground artists...I am going to give Sean P a chance...

you guys are right about me not knowing enough underground...I am just relating Gibbs (who is underground) to people like Jay in here...

[~primetime~]

Has prime ever posted a pic?
there is a pic in here of me...I am white if that is what you are going for...lol

white, brownish-blonde hair

[RidonKs]

you gave up on rap for your own reasons. i can't argue them. but when you try to justify it by claiming that rap died at the turn of the century, i can't accept that. as i've said numerous times to which you've yet to respond, you haven't listened to even an eighth of a fraction of a tenth of what might be necessary to make that claim. its unsubstantiated and, wait for it... wrong! go ahead, cox. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY)

and i won't even comment on 'art is subjective' because thats just stupid. i could make any number of ridiculous claims that you would have no choice to to argue down as unquestionably faulty. just because a question gets difficult, doesn't mean you have to resort to the 'everybodys opinion is right' tactic. thats stupid and pointless and makes me want to leave. and nobody would want that.

nobody can argue taste, but quality is at least to some extent objective, insofar as comparisons can be made and artists can be gauged. this is indisputable fact.

[~primetime~]

you gave up on rap for your own reasons. i can't argue them. but when you try to justify it by claiming that rap died at the turn of the century, i can't accept that. as i've said numerous times to which you've yet to respond, you haven't listened to even an eighth of a fraction of a tenth of what might be necessary to make that claim. its unsubstantiated and, wait for it... wrong! go ahead, cox. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY).
your bringing my arguement from another old thread in here...which is different

I haven't listened to alot of today's stuff, but I have listened to PLENTY of Jay and Pac...


you and i won't even comment on 'art is subjective' because thats just stupid. i could make any number of ridiculous claims that you would have no choice to to argue down as unquestionably faulty. just because a question gets difficult, doesn't mean you have to resort to the 'everybodys opinion is right' tactic. thats stupid and pointless and makes me want to leave. and nobody would want that.

nobody can argue taste, but quality is at least to some extent objective, insofar as comparisons can be made and artists can be gauged. this is indisputable fact.
it would be different if this was like "Vanilla Ice vs. Pac"...then yes, there is a clear winner, you can't be subjective...lol"

when talking about what attracts me to a certain rapper, you CAN NOT tell me what I am doing is wrong...that is the way I have decided to go about it...

If I see a bentley, I don't care what the music sounds like...lol...I am done giving that type of rap a chance, it has failed me too many times...

[RidonKs]

yeah, i'm arguing with your entire package here, not just what you've said in this thread. i think that's fair enough. but we aren't getting anywhere, so i'm done and perfectly content. friendos?

[~primetime~]

yeah, i'm arguing with your entire package here, not just what you've said in this thread. i think that's fair enough. but we aren't getting anywhere, so i'm done and perfectly content. friendos?
yeah, we can be friendos...but I will give up on you the same way I did Jay if you keep bringing me garbage...;)

[phoenix18]

there is a pic in here of me...I am white if that is what you are going for...lol

white, brownish-blonde hair

Okay, gotcha.

[RidonKs]

yeah, we can be friendos...but I will give up on you the same way I did Jay if you keep bringing me garbage...;)
i gotta empty the trash in one way or another, and you're the closest thing i see to a garburator around here. you just slurp it up like noodles.

[~primetime~]

i gotta empty the trash in one way or another, and you're the closest thing i see to a garburator around here. you just slurp it up like noodles.
I did slurp that up...

never again...lol

[playtetris]

"You know they got me trapped in this prison of seclusion
Happiness, living on tha streets is a delusion
........

i don't see it. if we're talking about technical proficiency, jay is far better. look at the rhyme patterns in those verses, compare them with INTERNAL rhyme patterns in jay's verse. how about metaphors? they're rapping about similar-ish type things, but jay is WAY superior to me.

you can play the delivery card, but to me pac's delivery is quite often yawn-inducing. jay picked better beats, wrote better lyrics, had better flow and was [vocally] only marginally less captivating on the mic.

[Dasher]

Marginally less captivating?

[playtetris]

Marginally less captivating?

yes. i actually find jay's vocal presence from that era to be quite good. listen to him in 'brooklyn's finest'; he is rapping alongside one of the most captivating, charismatic figures in hip hop and is not completely outshone. jay nowadays sounds flat and monotone in comparison to back then IMO.

[Gundress]

yes. i actually find jay's vocal presence from that era to be quite good. listen to him in 'brooklyn's finest'; he is rapping alongside one of the most captivating, charismatic figures in hip hop and is not completely outshone. jay nowadays sounds flat and monotone in comparison to back then IMO.

Jay-Z - I Cant' Get Wit That.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu4UG8uLHZ8

Have you heard that song Jay-Z? he sounds different before Reasonable Doubt.

[Bigsmoke]

Jay-Z = the most rounded MC ever

[Eldrunko247]

Jay-Z = the most rounded MC ever
He's round all right

[Heeere's Jonny!]

Pac died at 25. Jay is 40. That's 15 more years in the game. Pac never had a chance to evolve. He rapped about what was going on at the time. You also contradict yourself when you say "However, Jay-Z is the better technical lyricist. Pac has way more meaningful and powerful music". What's the point of being a "better lyricist" when those words are not very meaningful or powerful? Jay Z also steals material and tweaks them a bit that goes over a lot of people's heads. So you're comparing a 25 yr old Tupac who is giving Jay a 15 year handicap who benefited from the two best rappers at the time going down. P4P I would take Pac. I don't even think Jay is better than Nas or Eminem.
Pac sure as hell did evolve over time, are you kidding me? Listen to 2pacalypse Now, mostly political content, crooked officials, almost reminds me of public enemy in a way. Then All Eyez on me, straight up party, we're the best, bragging, music. Then the 7 day theory, dark, more gloomy and mysterious.

That's not even with Me against the world, or Strictly for my ******, both had a pretty unique sound. Me against the world is my fav pac album by the way.

Also Jay>Pac in all aspects, but I still love Pac. Check Out Time is an awesome song.

[v-unit]

He's round all right

You fail.

[untouchable]

u cant even compare jay z and 2pac.. jay z has nevr been and will never be on pacs level.. stupid thread

[branslowski]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I swear Pac is the most overrated Rapper of All Times...

Hov>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pac


RD, My life time, BP 1 and 2, Black Album>>>>>>>>Any Pac Album.

:oldlol: @ This overrated Poet...

[Timmy D for MVP]

Tupac is one of the only hardcore rappers I listen to regularly because I can't stand the genre I'm more of a Talib Kweli, hip hop kinda guy.

But I think his stock is overrated because of what he represented.

Jay-Z has destoryed the game for like a million years now and he really doesn't seem to be slowing at all.

Slight edge to Hov. Both are more than nice though.

[Quizno]

anyone else really like lupe?

[Brandon Roy]

anyone else really like lupe?
Yup.

His lyricism is on another level, and it actually seems like he's doing something positive with his fame.

I think that if he stays consistent with the albums he's been putting out, he'll be considered one of the greats at the end of his career.