Is Vegeta the biggest underachiever in Anime History?

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

http://animeholicph.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/vegeta_majinsaga.jpg

I am really into Anime again. I have been watching the Dragonball Z episodes on the net. Anyway it just strikes how, big of an underachiever Vegeta was. He was the only character in DBZ segas that never got his shine in.

Prince of All Saiyans. When he first came to planet Earth his partner Nappa was the one that defeated Piccolo, an Tien. Then when it was his turn to fight he almost got beat by a 5 year old Gohan. They spared his life in the Namek series, he lost to Frieza's top men, not to mention beating beat by Frieza himself. In the Android saga, he lost to Android 17 and 18, and then got controlled by that green freak. Cell saga lost also. The only time i can recall him winning was when he fused with Goku.

Has there every been an underachiever like this before, maybe Team Rocket from Pokemon can make a strong case?

[BMOGEFan]

http://animeholicph.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/vegeta_majinsaga.jpg

I am really into Anime again. I have been watching the Dragonball Z episodes on the net. Anyway it just strikes how, big of an underachiever Vegeta was. He was the only character in DBZ segas that never got his shine in.

Prince of All Saiyans. When he first came to planet Earth his partner Nappa was the one that defeated Piccolo, an Tien. Then when it was his turn to fight he almost got beat by a 5 year old Gohan. They spared his life in the Namek series, he lost to Frieza's top men, not to mention beating beat by Frieza himself. In the Android saga, he lost to Android 17 and 18, and then got controlled by that green freak. Cell saga lost also. The only time i can recall him winning was when he fused with Goku.

Has there every been an underachiever like this before, maybe Team Rocket from Pokemon can make a strong case?

PLENTY...naruto. kakashi. when was the last time kakashi ever won a battle?

[SEEBASS1234]

he is a boss

[Black Durant Jam]

Uran

http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/u/uran.jpg

Someone should have taped that shit

[Kensta]

PLENTY...naruto. kakashi. when was the last time kakashi ever won a battle?

:wtf: Naruto and Kakashi?

Kakashi has been an underdog in almost all his fights.

[FinishHim!]

Underachiever? He just got a poor deck of cards at birth. haha. My dude worked 100X harder than Goku but was simply born weaker than him and there was nothing he could do about it. Can't blame him, he tried his heart out every time.

[phoenix18]

Piccolo>>>>>>>>>than all.

[Swaggin916]

Yea Vageta was like Kwame Brown with KG's mouth... talked a lot but was just not very talented in the first place.

[FinishHim!]

^^^ Come on, dude has got to get some props on his work ethic. Even though his personality sucked and he was overlyconfident.

[Lebron23]

Son Gohan

http://files.myopera.com/Guyver7/albums/317087/Mystic%20Gohan%20Wall_1.jpg

http://www.freewebs.com/gig123/gohanpaper.jpg

Mystic Gohan/Ultimate Gohan was the strongest non fused character in the Dragon Ball Z Manga, but he failed to defeat Majinbu.

I think if Gohan have the work ethic, street hunger, and the perseverance of Son Goku.

He could have been the greatest hero in Anime History.

[sergiorodriguez]

Vegeta was awesome, the best character on that show. My favorite was when he became Majin Vegeta and turned on everyone.

The biggest underachiever is probably Spike in cowboy bebop-all that talent but he never went anywhere and wasted his life being a bounty hunter. He was a bum.

Mystic Gohan also, he was supposed to be the strongest guy ever and got eaten up by Boo.

Don't forget about Gotenks as well, they could have killed boo in 2 seconds but instead decided to play around with him. What an underachievement.

Vegeta did his best in every fight, you can't say he underachieved.

[phoenix18]

Seriously, shouldnt Piccolo be the most powerful fighter? He's telepathic, can regenerate, superhuman strength/hearing, move fast enough to be invisible and he grow to be as big as a mountain.

How do you beat that?

Vegeta went hard though. He would have broken arms and ribs and still fight on. He was no punk, If he had Goku's powers, he would second to Piccolo.

[FinishHim!]

Vegeta did his best in every fight, you can't say he underachieved.


exactly..

[sergiorodriguez]

Seriously, shouldnt Piccolo be the most powerful fighter? He's telepathic, can regenerate, superhuman strength/hearing, move fast enough to be invisible and he grow to be as big as a mountain.

How do you beat that?
Kamehameha right to back of the head after instant transmissioning behind him. And when he grows as big as a mountain, Kamehameha right through his brain, it makes it a bigger target.

[endorphins]

Vegeta never got his shine on?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY4BimAmK3U

sure he didn't actually kill buu, but it showed that he sacrificed everything for his fight. cant say he underachieved there. that was his defining moment in the series

[arkain]

Vegeta = Kobe

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

Vegeta = Kobe

no way.

Vegeta= Laterell Sprewell or Jerry Stackhouse

[sergiorodriguez]

no way.

Vegeta= Laterell Sprewell or Jerry Stackhouse
Goku=Jordan
Vegeta=Kobe

[bokes15]

Goku=Jordan
Vegeta=Kobe
:oldlol: I was just about to say that. Worked hard as hell to achieve what came kind of naturally to Goku (Jordan and Kobe)

[knickballer]

Underachiever? He just got a poor deck of cards at birth. haha. My dude worked 100X harder than Goku but was simply born weaker than him and there was nothing he could do about it. Can't blame him, he tried his heart out every time.


Well Goku was actually the weakling while Vegeta was the strong one. Goku didn't get strong until he died and met that weird guy in heaven or w/e it was called. Goku barely beat Rattis, like seriously? Goku was the hard working one who never gave up and got stronger while Vegeta was the strongest saiyan at first I believe. Vegeta is the cocky mother****er who banged bulma and was strong.

[drinkingforfun]

Mystic Gohan/Ultimate Gohan was the strongest non fused character in the Dragon Ball Z Manga, but he failed to defeat Majinbu.

I think if Gohan have the work ethic, street hunger, and the perseverance of Son Goku.

He could have been the greatest hero in Anime History.

Yup, all he needed was street hunger.

[bokes15]

Goku was like the Vince Carter of the show though. I don't even think that needs further explanation.

[oh the horror]

Man Dragonball Z was one of the best cartoons ever. We used to get together like it was a damn EVENT back in the day, and watch every new episode that came out. Granted, we smoked a TON of chronic before the episodes, but it was just awesome.


I still have the CELL SAGA on VHS somewhere.

[oh the horror]

And you guys are missing out on the general show's message.

It wasnt that Vegeta didnt "have the work ethic"....he trained OBSESSIVELY just to try to get better than Goku....


The irony was that Vegeta, on their original planet, was ROYALTY....

His bloodline dictated that he SHOULD have been the most powerful....while Goku was what? Like a peasant, or farm boy or something from the planet. The twist, was that he ends up being one of the most powerful of all the saijans or whatever...and Vegeta has to come to terms with this.

[OneMoreSucka]

I have no idea what is going on here.

[Noob Saibot]

lmao comparing DBZ characters to NBA players.

[bokes15]

lmao comparing DBZ characters to NBA players.
But mine was a good one though, honestly.

Goku = Vince Carter

Clean cut, naturally gifted but lacked a true killer instinct (unless you get him angry or motivated), had abilities that others could only dream of having but didn't really seem to appreciate those, smiled and laughed all the time never seeming to grasp the seriousness of the situation. Goku was incredibly strong and powerful but imagine if he matched that ability with intensity and relentlessness. He would just be so nuts.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

But mine was a good one though, honestly.

Goku = Vince Carter

Clean cut, naturally gifted but lacked a true killer instinct (unless you get him angry or motivated), had abilities that others could only dream of having but didn't really seem to appreciate those, smiled and laughed all the time never seeming to grasp the seriousness of the situation. Goku was incredibly strong and powerful but imagine if he matched that ability with intensity and relentlessness. He would just be so nuts.
Where does Vince's dunking come in?

[iamgine]

But mine was a good one though, honestly.

Goku = Vince Carter

Clean cut, naturally gifted but lacked a true killer instinct (unless you get him angry or motivated), had abilities that others could only dream of having but didn't really seem to appreciate those, smiled and laughed all the time never seeming to grasp the seriousness of the situation. Goku was incredibly strong and powerful but imagine if he matched that ability with intensity and relentlessness. He would just be so nuts.
Goku beat all his opponents though. Can't say the same about Vince.


Goku is more like Magic Johnson. Had the serious disease, like to smile and very versatile with his skills.

[HylianNightmare]

Yeah he gave his life to kill buu not underachiever

[plowking]

Were some people actually talking about work ethic with fictional anime characters?

Cool.

[picc84]

How many saiyans turned super-saiyan before Goku and vegeta? How is he underachieving when he did pulled off something 2 saiyans in their entire history had.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

lmao comparing DBZ characters to NBA players.

Goku= Rich Man's Vince Carter- had all the skills in the world, and didn't really work that hard compared to others, naturally gifted, always turned it off and on.

Vegeta= Laterell Sprewell- explosive character, was a knuckle head, could and shout have been elite but wasn't.

Kid Gohan= OJ Mayo- young, unexperienced, shows flashes of briliance on an everyday basis.

Piccolo= 2nd year Melo- We ask he has all the tools to dominate, but fails to do so.

Frieza- Dennis Rodman a bad a$$, that just sits around all day and still kills any one in his path.

Trunks- Young Kobe- after what he did the Frieza almost felt like when Kobe PAH jordan for 42 ponts at half.

[vapid]

http://sandio.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/3bfbccdcb7.jpg

One of the most powerful devil fruits but he just died.

(I just wanted to point out that ACE JUST GOT KILLED!)

[endorphins]

Goku= Rich Man's Vince Carter- had all the skills in the world, and didn't really work that hard compared to others, naturally gifted, always turned it off and on. i suppose, but in comparison to Vegeta it was definitly a Jordan/Kobe thing.

Vegeta= Laterell Sprewell- explosive character, was a knuckle head, could and shout have been elite but wasn't. nah, Vegeta was always elite. All the other Z fighters would get ****ed up and then Vegeta would nearly kill the main antagonist every time. There were oppurtunites for him to kill Goku and Freiza and buu, but there was always some twist in the plot that kept him from finishing the fight. All the other z fighters except Goku were always intimidated by him, too.

Kid Gohan= OJ Mayo- young, unexperienced, shows flashes of briliance on an everyday basis. He showed flashes of birlliance only a few times. most of the time he got his ass beat, bad

Piccolo= 2nd year Melo- We ask he has all the tools to dominate, but fails to do so. I'll agree with this one. He had so many unique skills that he would never use.

Frieza- Dennis Rodman a bad a$$, that just sits around all day and still kills any one in his path. eh

Trunks- Young Kobe- after what he did the Frieza almost felt like when Kobe PAH jordan for 42 ponts at half.

...

[picc84]

Goku= Rich Man's Vince Carter- had all the skills in the world, and didn't really work that hard compared to others, naturally gifted, always turned it off and on.

Vegeta= Laterell Sprewell- explosive character, was a knuckle head, could and shout have been elite but wasn't.

Kid Gohan= OJ Mayo- young, unexperienced, shows flashes of briliance on an everyday basis.

Piccolo= 2nd year Melo- We ask he has all the tools to dominate, but fails to do so.

Frieza- Dennis Rodman a bad a$$, that just sits around all day and still kills any one in his path.

Trunks- Young Kobe- after what he did the Frieza almost felt like when Kobe PAH jordan for 42 ponts at half.

These are pretty much the worst comparisons ever.

[endorphins]

These are pretty much the worst comparisons ever.
yeah i was being kinda nice in my criticism

[ukplayer4]

Were some people actually talking about work ethic with fictional anime characters?

Cool.




qft.


this thread is........i cannot find the words....

[Timmy D for MVP]

In his defense Gohan was the most naturally powerful character in Z. With ttraining in his late teen years he would have surpassed even GT Goku.

Trunks compares his dad to himself and Goten in GT. Cmon now!

[Timmy D for MVP]

Prob cause this show was like 12 episodes but:

http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/1/787.jpg

Zelman Clock from Black Blood Brothers.

[picc84]

If anyone is Vince Carter, its Gohan.

Calling Goku Vince Carter is retarded as this argument is.

[BMOGEFan]

gohan is definitely the vince carter.

he did not have the heart to be a warrior as piccolo said.


goku is like kobe. good work ethics and great natural abilities.

vegeta is like john stockton or steve nash. low physical abilities, but made up for it by hard work.

[ukplayer4]

im thinking of getting back into anime porn. the possibilities are endless.



what sites do yall use for your cartoon porn btw, im a bit out of the loop

[Disaprine]

.......uh.........fail?

[endorphins]

vegeta is like john stockton or steve nash. low physical abilities, but made up for it by hard work.

Why does everyone talk like Vegeta always got his ass whooped. Vegeta always put up an awesome fight for whoever stepped to him. He didn't win every battle, but some twist in fate always seemed to always make him lose. Vegeta was no chump.

[Dasher]

I know little to nothing about Dragon Ball Z or anime, but this thread entertained me. I got at least 3 chuckles out of it.

[snipes12]

broli>goku>mystic gohan>vegeta>trunks

[OhNoTimNoSho]

http://www.freewebs.com/ukkelipukkeli/dragon_ball_z_gt_brolly.jpg
Is shaq, no?

[sergiorodriguez]

But mine was a good one though, honestly.

Goku = Vince Carter

Clean cut, naturally gifted but lacked a true killer instinct (unless you get him angry or motivated), had abilities that others could only dream of having but didn't really seem to appreciate those, smiled and laughed all the time never seeming to grasp the seriousness of the situation. Goku was incredibly strong and powerful but imagine if he matched that ability with intensity and relentlessness. He would just be so nuts.
Goku is more like Magic or Jordan, seeing as he defeated every opponent he went up against.

[sergiorodriguez]

Goku= Rich Man's Vince Carter- had all the skills in the world, and didn't really work that hard compared to others, naturally gifted, always turned it off and on.



WTF!!! HOW CAN YOU SAY THIS?!?! Did you forget about the Hyperbolic Time Chamber? Wasn't it like 3 years of training in 3 days? He worked as hard as anyone he just did it with a smile on his face. He also trained himself a new technique no one else can do-instant transmission!

Also when has Goku ever turned it off in a big situation against a dangerous foe? He is like Tiger Woods in those situations. Cold blooded.

The only time Goku turns it off and acts all goofy is against guys like Hercule.

[AmazingManning]

who took out buu again? I want to know. There was like 4 of them.

[sergiorodriguez]

who took out buu again? I want to know. There was like 4 of them.
I'm pretty sure it was something gay, Goku made a spirit bomb, he used the dragon balls to wish back everyone who buu killed, and Hercule told the whole entire world to lift their arms to help charge up the spirit bomb, and then Goku launched the super spirit bomb and killed Buu.

[DatDudeD]

yeah vegeta is far form underrated he just never could get over the hump thats all, he always put up a admirable fight some times knowing he was gonna get his ass kicked anyway.

I respected him a lot especially after he realized that goku was far superior to him. The one thing that stood out to me was that he always had the BEST ENTRANCES before a fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d30YuEz369U

EPIC

[Kungfro]

Greatest filler episode ever.

http://i50.tinypic.com/2cpq14l.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xheEV0B2EHc&feature=related

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

I know little to nothing about Dragon Ball Z or anime, but this thread entertained me. I got at least 3 chuckles out of it.

I am being serious in this thread believe it or not. Edit though Vegeta just beat one of Frieza's right hand men in episode 34. He got his shine in a few times he as beat Dr. Guro now that i think about it and his android partner.

I didn't give Vegeta his props, he is still an underachiever though.
it is a nice filler, fills my TV needs, every since Jersey Shore finished. I haven't been an American Idol guy for awhile, so this will be a nice filler for awhile going to finish all the DBZ series. Then move to all the Dragon Ball series, then go to Dragon Ball GT series.

Then hopefully their will be a good show on MTV, VH1, or something to fill my tv needs, since i dont watch tv a lot outside of pro/college football and basketball games.

[Scribbles]

If you're rewatching DBZ, why not watch Dragonball Kai instead?

[Juges8932]

I can't really say in Anime History because I don't watch animes (aside from a couple), but he was an underachiever when it came to DBZ. He's one of my favorite characters of anything, but yeah, he underachieved. Had the GOAT work ethic and still couldn't cut it. At least in comparison to Goku.

Gohan was a big disappointment too, especially after Z. Became a ****ing joke and it was reallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly annoying. Cell saga he was BAMF though. SSJ2 Gohan is a beast.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Rflberry PWNCAKSE!

Vegeta = David Robinson. Tall, "Admirableadmirable", . But selfishly pursued his 72 point game, just like his lust for power. Would stop at nothing to crush his opponent until Trunks (Tim Duncan) came and together won a championship (beat Frieza'z azz.)

Goku = Hakeem Olajuwan. The foreigner, good-hearted, clever bastvrd who was one of a kind with hi spostvoes. Only nice saiyan the Dream, ladiez luv him, men wanna him, sons want him to be daddy.

Gohan = Yao Ming. Most dominant bastard WHEN he's not soft. Physically and strength wise, by far most gifted. Oozes potential and when pissed absolutely demolishes the competition. Hyperbolic Time Chamber = Being mentored by Steve Francis.

Raditz = Greg Ostertag.

[plat1numX]

If you're rewatching DBZ, why not watch Dragonball Kai instead?

Thats what im watching, i never watched the japanese version and diffrent music is always nice. I also like how there are no fillers :pimp:

[FrenchDude]

Yea Vageta was like Kwame Brown with KG's mouth... talked a lot but was just not very talented in the first place.

Not very talented?
He's the 2nd strongest saiyan of all time after Goku if we only take pure blood into account.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

I am being serious in this thread believe it or not. Edit though Vegeta just beat one of Frieza's right hand men in episode 34. He got his shine in a few times he as beat Dr. Guro now that i think about it and his android partner.

I didn't give Vegeta his props, he is still an underachiever though.
it is a nice filler, fills my TV needs, every since Jersey Shore finished. I haven't been an American Idol guy for awhile, so this will be a nice filler for awhile going to finish all the DBZ series. Then move to all the Dragon Ball series, then go to Dragon Ball GT series.

Then hopefully their will be a good show on MTV, VH1, or something to fill my tv needs, since i dont watch tv a lot outside of pro/college football and basketball games.
You should watch Dragon ball first, probably the best of the 3 and the story would flow a lot better.

[bokes15]

Goku is more like Magic or Jordan, seeing as he defeated every opponent he went up against.
When he wanted to or when someone made him angry.. Vegeta had more of a Jordan personality than Goku did.

[bokes15]

Thats what im watching, i never watched the japanese version and diffrent music is always nice. I also like how there are no fillers :pimp:
:oldlol: I didn't watch the whole series in Japanese but I watched some of it.. and I noticed the different music too and the fact they curse and no longer use the innuedo for master rochi. He's openly the dirty perv that we assume him to be in the english version.

[Black Joker]

http://sandio.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/3bfbccdcb7.jpg

One of the most powerful devil fruits but he just died.

(I just wanted to point out that ACE JUST GOT KILLED!)
all that work, for him to die after getting free... goddamnit.

if Garp gets free, there is going be hell to pay.

[FrenchDude]

The Japanese version HAS fillers.

BTW, Cha-La-Head-Cha-La is one of the most awesome anime theme songs ever!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxmTfno7Qcg

:rockon:

:bowdown:
It makes me so nostalgic. DBZ was definitely my favorite show growing up.
When did the show aired in the States? For us it was in the early 90's.

[plat1numX]

The Japanese version HAS fillers.

BTW, Cha-La-Head-Cha-La is one of the most awesome anime theme songs ever!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxmTfno7Qcg

:rockon:

Are you sure about that because when i was watching dragonball KAI the other day they didnt show goku having to do pitstops on the snake way to king kais place, idk though because i never knew which ones were fillers

[Rockets(T-mac)]

The Japanese version HAS fillers.

BTW, Cha-La-Head-Cha-La is one of the most awesome anime theme songs ever!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxmTfno7Qcg

:rockon:
Not even close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLZbd0EvCs8

[OhNoTimNoSho]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-Hjf43k3Cs
I think this is the best intro by far.

[kentatm]

its Buu. Anyone that lets a chicken shit like Hercule tame him is a failure.

[FrenchDude]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-Hjf43k3Cs
I think this is the best intro by far.
:banana: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFPB4bXrT74

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

One thing i wish they kept were the power level reading sensor. I always lol when they get scared and start saying lol his power level is at 2400 impossible, and there eyes start shaking.

In hindsight i probably should have started with Dragonball series, since it was the first, but what done is done. I can't wait for the epic battle with Goku and Frieza easily the best battle in any dragon ball series.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

One thing i wish they kept were the power level reading sensor. I always lol when they get scared and start saying lol his power level is at 2400 impossible, and there eyes start shaking.

In hindsight i probably should have started with Dragonball series, since it was the first, but what done is done. I can't wait for the epic battle with Goku and Frieza easily the best battle in any dragon ball series.

yeah man and it seemed ridiculous though they were hittin millions and hudnreds of millions later on, their earthshaking effects were relatively the same lol.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

I am now on episode 58 where Captain Gin-u takes over Goku's body. Vegeta has beaten a few of the lower level frieza man. He actually did a pretty good job.

[sergiorodriguez]

ug---the ginyu squad-not the most exciting moment in DBZ history

[picc84]

Damn, crazy how many people in here without a clue wtf they're talking about. Vegeta is Kwame Brown? lulz

[flipogb]

Vegeta = Iverson
Goku= Kobe

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

ug---the ginyu squad-not the most exciting moment in DBZ history

LOL sergio's account got deleted wow. Vegeta really gave it his all against frieza. So did piccolo, bought Goku time to heal. I am right now like 2 or 3 episodes away from when Goku turns super saiyan for the first time.

[Whiteness]

He's still one of the greatest characters in anime history. Sounds like an achiever to me.


LOL sergio's account got deleted wow. Vegeta really gave it his all against frieza. So did piccolo, bought Goku time to heal. I am right now like 2 or 3 episodes away from when Goku turns super saiyan for the first time.

one thing I remember from that saga is how long it took for that to go down. There were like 5 lead-in episodes and we all knew what was gonna happen.

[Budadiiii]

Damn, crazy how many people in here without a clue wtf they're talking about. Vegeta is Kwame Brown? lulz
:roll:

[SamuraiSWISH]

What's the appeal of anime to Americans? They look like even more childish, less cool versions of comic book characters.

[mr.big35]

What's the appeal of anime to Americans? They look like even more childish, less cool versions of comic book characters.

ask jameer he watches all kinds of anime

[flipogb]

gotta give it to Gohan, he had all the luck but zero street hunger

[nathanjizzle]

vegeta's achievement was more an inner moral victory. The great battle that he won was against his own inner conflict. He started as a vengeful, evil and jealous character, and slowly turned into a good, loving, father. The moment in the DBZ series when he turned a new leaf is when he tried to help Gohan by attacking cell when they were blasting eachother with kamehameha's. Even though he knew he would fail, he did it to give gohan a moment of relief.

[juju151111]

What's the appeal of anime to Americans? They look like even more childish, less cool versions of comic book characters.
Anime is way more violent.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

He fights like a fukking moron. He suffers from an inferiority complex. And he makes piss poor decisions. His dormant potential is outstanding though obviously as is his diligence.

Dude is just a dumbass... he's more of an Allen Iverson. If Allen Ivrson busted his ass improving skills but just didn't show up during crunch time.

ANyone remmeber how future Trunks took out frieza, cell, and teh androids. He uses haymakers, agility, swords, and destroys them with a fully focused energy attack at THE VERY LAST SECOND. dude's a tactical genius.

Or how Gohan went after Dabura by jumping into the water and throwing that energy beam and then quickly teleporting and then kicking him in the fuuking face?

Vegeta just fukin shoots energy attacks at cell (when dude is guarded) over and over again what teh fuuk use a combination of flurries. DUmb chucker.

[Draz]

Pikachu is. Just couldn't seem to evolve.

[ForeverHeat]

Has to be Ash from Pokemon. Dude has been a trainer for 15+ years and cant manage to beat the Pokemon League. And after all these years, and multiple "annual" competitions, hes still 10. Dude thinks hes Jameer lol