Source: Amare Doesn't Want To Play In Cleveland

[KingLeBronJames]

Many around the league are holding their breath until the Amar'e Stoudemire trade to the Cavaliers is announced.

But there could be one major road block.

A source said the five-time All-Star center let it be known that he does not want to come to Cleveland.

The Cavs have reportedly been informed of that news and have gone in another direction.

They had reportedly offered center Zydrunas Ilgauskas, promising young power forward J.J. Hickson and another player to the Suns for Stoudemire.

The source said judging from the changing winds of the NBA, it's not totally out of the question that the Cavs could still make a deal for Stoudemire.

But the 6-foot-10, 249-pound Stoudemire has little desire of joining LeBron James and Shaquille O'Neal on the Cavs, even if it meant bringing home an NBA championship.

One thing that could change Stoudemire's thought process, the source said, would be if the Cavs offered a contract extension. Stoudemire is supposedly seeking a three-year, $60 million extension.

He will earn $16.4 million this season and has a player option on his 2010-11 contract worth $17.7 million.

Reportedly, Stoudemire didn't mesh with O'Neal last year in Phoenix.

The Cavs might be targeting Wizards forward Antawn Jamison or Pacers forward/center Troy Murphy. Both are "stretch 4s" who can shoot from the perimeter and open up the paint for O'Neal and for James to slash to the basket.

Jamison, 33, has almost $28 million on his contract after this season.

The Cavs aren't the only team pursuing the 6-9, 230-pounder, either, as Miami has joined the fray.

Stoudemire's agent, Happy Walters, told ESPN that he hadn't discussed a possible deal with the Cavs as of Monday morning.

Since Stoudemire owns a house in the Miami area, some think he eventually wants to play for the Heat.

Miami and Philadelphia, and possibly a few other teams, are making serious offers to the Suns for Stoudemire. The Suns would love to add 76ers swingman Andre Iguodala, a former college star at the University of Arizona, and still very popular in the state.

Heat owner Micky Arison said he wouldn't part with forward Michael Beasley in any deal. The Heat are trying to entice the Suns with center Jermaine O'Neal's bloated $23 million expiring contract. So far, it hasn't worked.

The Los Angeles Times reported that if the Stoudemire talks break down, the Cavs have a deal in place for Murphy.

Ilgauskas has a 15-percent trade kicker on his $11.5 million expiring contract. The Cavs would have had to add another player in a deal for Stoudemire because the contracts of Ilgauskas and Hickson came up $65,000 short. Someone such as Danny Green or Darnell Jackson would have to be included.

The 7-3 Ilgauskas would have to be paid about $1.7 million if he's traded. It would have to be paid by the team acquiring him, not the Cavs. The Cavs, though, could include cash in the deal.

Stoudemire also has a trade kicker, but since he's already making the league maximum, he's not eligible to receive it.

Some think if the Cavs make the deal, they'd want to sign Stoudemire to a contract extension by the June 30 deadline.

Another option would be to allow him to become a free agent and use him in a sign-and-trade. The Cavs could get a $15 million trade exception in such a deal.

There was also talk of a three-way trade between the Cavs, Sixers and Suns.

TNT analyst Charles Barkley said it would be frightening for the Cavs to add Stoudemire.

"That would be scary to have Amar'e on one wing and LeBron (James) on the other wing," he said. "All these trades are designed to do one thing, and that is to beat the Lakers."

http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2010/02/15/sports/nh2098390.txt

Does Amare hate Shaq too? That's why he doesn't wanna play in Cleveland?

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

:banana:

[sergiorodriguez]

http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2010/02/15/sports/nh2098390.txt

Does Amare hate Shaq too? That's why he doesn't wanna play in Cleveland?
Yes, Amare had trouble playing with shaq all of last year and made many complaints to the media.

Cavs homers, who admittedly didn't even watch a single suns game last year, will tell you this is myth.

[Kingsfans818]

http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2010/02/15/sports/nh2098390.txt

Does Amare hate Shaq too? That's why he doesn't wanna play in Cleveland?

id rather see Jamison @ Cleveland...

Amare complains and cries too much

we also have Andy @ the 4 and he gets a lot of minutes and is a key defensive player so IDK how Amare will like the idea of sharing minutes with him...

[Wally450]

So what bigs would come off the bench besides Verajao?

[GOBB]

Another Clevland/Amare thread? Mods please merge. Thanks. :cheers:

[wagexslave]

Amare doesn't hate Shaq. Maybe he knows what a scumhole Clevland is as a city?

[blackification]

BS article probably for hits why would amare say he likes shaq/lebron and woudn't mind playing with them and today say he won't? Plus notice there are no direct quotes from amare only a "source". The source is probably the guy talking to himself.

[beasted86]

The hype and gossip behind this Amare to Cleveland scenario has officially surpassed the Odom back to Miami scenario!

Cheers everybody, let's celebrate! :applause: :cheers: :banana:

[omarnyc]

why do people keep saying amare and shaq hate each other? i only heard them say good things about each other, even after shaq left. i really cant believe amare would not wanna go play with lebron and the chance to get to the finals.

[PleezeBelieve]

This article is trash from a non-credible source.

So according to this article, Cavs rather pay a 34-year old Jamison 28 mill over the next two years instead of paying Amare 60 mill over three years.

Sure, bud. :oldlol:

[TMacYaoRockets]

why do people keep saying amare and shaq hate each other? i only heard them say good things about each other, even after shaq left. i really cant believe amare would not wanna go play with lebron and the chance to get to the finals.
I guess Amare would rather play side by side with his idol, Kobe instead.

[1~Gibson~1]

The source said judging from the changing winds of the NBA, it's not totally out of the question that the Cavs could still make a deal for Stoudemire.

But the 6-foot-10, 249-pound Stoudemire has little desire of joining LeBron James and Shaquille O'Neal on the Cavs, even if it meant bringing home an NBA championship.

One thing that could change Stoudemire's thought process, the source said, would be if the Cavs offered a contract extension. Stoudemire is supposedly seeking a three-year, $60 million extension.

He will earn $16.4 million this season and has a player option on his 2010-11 contract worth $17.7 million.

we're forgetting about this part. im almost positive that Cleveland wouldnt mind signing Amare to an extension. this way you'll at least have one super-ish star from the 2010 free agency. that's just my opinion though :confusedshrug:

[ronnymac]

I guess Amare would rather play side by side with his idol, Kobe instead.
Another RG account?

[BFRESH44]

That boy STAT just wants to play close to home. Can you blame him? :pimp:

[Agent_Zero]

Amare Stoudemire to ATL needs to happen. Hawks would have no problem with dominating the ECF.

[beasted86]

i dont blame him tho. who want to play for in Cleveland by choice? people only go there because they are trade and have to deal with it. what a piece of sh1t place that city is.
:applause:

[Bosnian Sajo]

:roll::roll::roll:

This is too good.

[mamba24]

Um Shaq wears out his welcome everywhere...he's got beef with wade, although wade has handled it well, beef with Amare, no doubt about it it was all over the papers for those who cant read use a voice over translator. Also he had beef with nash over some TV serial idea...but nash was adult about it...clearly he was upset but mature about it. now shaq is out against dwight...

yes he wants to show he is a bad ass man but clearly he is just a one trick pony...use size for post moves...anything else...hmmm...yea guess not...

[Jasper]

Shaq has a good dentist :lol :D :lol

[kentatm]

why would it shock anyone that a guy who has complained about his teammates taking away attention from him his whole career might not want to play with the new face of the league that would assure his second fiddle status?

Amar'e does not want to be a Pippen.

[ronnymac]

A Wade and Amare combo would be sick. imagine the Pick & Roll plays between those two.

[mamba24]

A Wade and Amare combo would be sick. imagine the Pick & Roll plays between those two.

id love to see that...

maybe a boozer and lebron combo...lol...or a bosh and lebron combo...

[RedBlackAttack]

When asked before the All-Star game who are the players that he would most want as teammates, Amar'e's first two responses were LeBron and Shaq. That is at odds with this...


But the 6-foot-10, 249-pound Stoudemire has little desire of joining LeBron James and Shaquille O'Neal on the Cavs, even if it meant bringing home an NBA championship.


I'm not saying that it is impossible that Amar'e doesn't want to play in Cleveland, but I need something a little more concrete than a random article written by a guy citing an anonymous source.

[blackification]

why would it shock anyone that a guy who has complained about his teammates taking away attention from him his whole career might not want to play with the new face of the league that would assure his second fiddle status?

Amar'e does not want to be a Pippen.
Yea thats why he wants to go to miami with wade that makes a lot of sense.

[BFRESH44]

When asked before the All-Star game who are the players that he would most want as teammates, Amar'e's first two responses were LeBron and Shaq. That is at odds with this...

Link or imma have to call BS.

[niko]

When asked before the All-Star game who are the players that he would most want as teammates, Amar'e's first two responses were LeBron and Shaq. That is at odds with this...



I'm not saying that it is impossible that Amar'e doesn't want to play in Cleveland, but I need something a little more concrete than a random article written by a guy that I've never heard of and citing an anonymous source.

Amare doesn't want to play with Shaq if he can avoid it. To win a title, and play with Lebron, i'm sure he'd tolerate it but him saying ILL PLAY WITH SHAQ is him just being nice and not wanting to start controversy. Ask the Suns fans, that situation was nto positive. (And don't give me numbers, he bitched and whined and looked like he wanted to run out of the stadium rather than be on the floor with Shaq).

[RedBlackAttack]

Link or imma have to call BS.
It was on TNT last night, unless I was hallucinating... Which is always a distinct possibility.

[kentatm]

Yea thats why he wants to go to miami with wade that makes a lot of sense.


With Wade, it would be more of a Stockton/Malone co-ownership of the team b/c Wade is not the face LeBron is. (Amar'e would be Stockton, slightly less credit but still identified as half the heart and soul of the team)

LeBron would get all the credit and Amar'e would be a Pippen that never gets the credit he would deserve.

[BFRESH44]

I was hallucinating...

It's cool, happens to the best of us.

not really

[MK2V1GP]

Dang. If CLE was gonna make a big move, I wanted it to be this b/c I know for sure it would've been a failure. If they get Jamison or Murphy, they'll be practically unbeatable.

:(

[blackification]

With Wade, it would be more of a Stockton/Malone co-ownership of the team b/c Wade is not the face LeBron is. (Amar'e would be Stockton, slightly less credit but still identified as half the heart and soul of the team)

LeBron would get all the credit and Amar'e would be a Pippen that never gets the credit he would deserve.
he still doesn't get credit in phoenix and its supposed to be a stockton malone relationship with nash. He is always going to be the guy people say would be nothing without the other star.

[kentatm]

Dang. If CLE was gonna make a big move, I wanted it to be this b/c I know for sure it would've been a failure. If they get Jamison or Murphy, they'll be practically unbeatable.

:(

before you get yourself bent out of shape, do consider that Jamison was a 6th man on Dallas b/c his defense was horrid. This was on a NELLIE coached team that was using Antoine Walker as a center at the time.

[BFRESH44]

I believe the 'percevied credit' of the potential sucess, and where would the majority of it fall or him wanting more spotlight and all that other nonsense means absolutelty nothing. No merit. I don't think there is no substance in that.

Again, STAT just wants to play at the CRIB.


Among the teams still discussing a potential trade with the Suns are the Miami Heat, which brought a smile to his face Friday. If the Heat can't trade for him now, they are expected to aggressively chase him this summer when free agency opens. They will have the salary cap space to add a maximum salaried player. And if they can't lure LeBron James from Cleveland, they will be pursuing both Stoudemire and Toronto forward Chris Bosh.

"A lot of teams out there appreciate my skills, but I'm from Florida. That's my home, that's where my AAU team is. That's where my fan base is,'' he said. "It would be great (to play there).''

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/02/12/stoudemire-sees-days-in-phoenix-ending/

That's a direct per from his mouth, enough said. He's going to test free agency this summer regardless(of him being traded). And if Miami offers the max? Yeah, it won't even be much of a race.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

I believe the 'percevied credit' of the potential sucess, and where would the majority of it fall or him wanting more spotlight and all that other nonsense means absolutelty nothing. No merit. I don't think there is no substance in that.

Again, STAT just wants to play at the CRIB.



http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/02/12/stoudemire-sees-days-in-phoenix-ending/

That's a direct per from his mouth, enough said.
good find.

[Mikaiel]

Link or imma have to call BS.


On Friday when asked which players Stoudemire would pick for a dream lineup he listed: Shaquille O'Neal, James, Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson. Two, of course, play for the Cavs now.

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/02/cavaliers_dominating_trade_rum.html

[RedBlackAttack]

A. Stoudemire did say that his dream starting five would include Shaq and LeBron. I confirmed it with the guys over at RCF.

B. Brian Windhorst has put Finnan in his place...


Contrary to reports, sources say Amar'e Stoudemire has not told Cavs he doesn't want to play in Cleveland.
http://twitter.com/PDcavsinsider

[blackification]

this is just insane...

[RedBlackAttack]

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/02/cavaliers_dominating_trade_rum.html
Thanks for the backup... Knew I heard it somewhere. :cheers:

[D-Rose]

woj's twitter


Source close to Stoudemire says he's completely open to Cleveland, loves idea of playing with LBJ and has never indicated otherwise to Cavs.
debunks the first article posted

Source also disputes notion that Stoudemire has any issues with Shaq. So far, Cavs and Stoudemire's reps have had no contact, no dialogue.
so cavs haven't assured amare extension

[ConanRulesNBC]

Yes! This means Amar'e to the Bulls might still happen!

[ctown4eva]

Yes! This means Amar'e to the Bulls might still happen!

You may want to read the rest of the thread before celebrating...

[RedBlackAttack]

Source close to Stoudemire says he's completely open to Cleveland, loves idea of playing with LBJ and has never indicated otherwise to Cavs.
-Adrian Wojnarowski

EDIT: DRose beat me to it.

[BFRESH44]

I'm sure Stoudemire is "open" to being traded anywhere. Being that such a situation is out of his control.

However, he's made it no secret where his PREFERENCE is.

[1~Gibson~1]

-Adrian Wojnarowski

EDIT: DRose beat me to it.also
http://twitter.com/PDcavsinsider


Contrary to reports, sources say Amar'e Stoudemire has not told Cavs he doesn't want to play in Cleveland.

[niko]

Also let's stop with the "he'd love to play with SHaq", im sure he would, for this year, as Shaq won't go anywhere and Lebron is there but anyone who saw the situation alst year in Phoenix is putting a huge spin on it by saying playing with Shaq wasn't an issue for Amare, because it very clearly was.

So let's not go nuts when people say things, use some common sense. If Cleveland is the team willing to give him a huge extension, he loves them.

[NBASTATMAN]

http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2010/02/15/sports/nh2098390.txt

Does Amare hate Shaq too? That's why he doesn't wanna play in Cleveland?

Cleveland will always have problems landing the best talent.. Who in their right mind would select Cleveland over markets like NY,LA, Miami, and even Chicago.. Too bad for Cleveland.. Hope he lands in Miami.. Though I don't think he is as good as people think he is.. Wade needs some help and Amare would help..

[RedBlackAttack]

Also let's stop with the "he'd love to play with SHaq", im sure he would, for this year, as Shaq won't go anywhere and Lebron is there but anyone who saw the situation alst year in Phoenix is putting a huge spin on it by saying playing with Shaq wasn't an issue for Amare, because it very clearly was.

So let's not go nuts when people say things, use some common sense. If Cleveland is the team willing to give him a huge extension, he loves them.
All we can draw from is what comes out of Amar'e mouth. Otherwise, it is blind speculation. From what people that follow Phoenix say, Shaq and Amar'e together was not the problem. Like I said in a different thread... I didn't watch them enough to say for sure.

But, Amar'e says that he has absolutely no problem playing in Cleveland, he listed LeBron and Shaq as two guys that he dreams of having as teammates and Suns' fans claim that, in 2008, Amar'e and Shaq did work well together.

I'm not just going to 'believe' that Amar'e secretly despises Shaq and wants no part of him as a teammate just 'because.'

[niko]

All we can draw from is what comes out of Amar'e mouth. Otherwise, it is blind speculation. From what people that follow Phoenix say, Shaq and Amar'e together was not the problem. Like I said in a different thread... I didn't watch them enough to say for sure.

But, Amar'e says that he has absolutely no problem playing in Cleveland, he listed LeBron and Shaq as two guys that he dreams of having as teammates and Suns' fans claim that, in 2008, Amar'e and Shaq did work well together.

I'm not just going to 'believe' that Amar'e secretly despises Shaq and wants no part of him as a teammate just 'because.'

Let's say your GF meets this other girl you know. She stares at her angrily the whole night. SHe is clearly mad. At the end of the night, she tells you "oh i had no problem with that girl". Do you believe what came out of her mouth?

Give me a break here, Amare was clearly unhappy with SHaq last year. Im not saying he won't play with him, but don't tell me because he's not saying it now it never happened. I have eyes.

[RedBlackAttack]

Let's say your GF meets this other girl you know. She stares at her angrily the whole night. SHe is clearly mad. At the end of the night, she tells you "oh i had no problem with that girl". Do you believe what came out of her mouth?

Give me a break here, Amare was clearly unhappy with SHaq last year. Im not saying he won't play with him, but don't tell me because he's not saying it now it never happened. I have eyes.
I just don't know if that analogy applies. Was Amar'e that unhappy last season? Admittedly, I didn't watch much of the Suns in '09. Couldn't the argument be made that Amar'e was more disappointed with the direction of the team moving toward a halfcourt offense that centered around Shaq? Wouldn't he realize that the system in Cleveland is completely different on every level?

The way that Stoudemire is being described, he sounds like a total primadonna.

[blackification]

Let's say your GF meets this other girl you know. She stares at her angrily the whole night. SHe is clearly mad. At the end of the night, she tells you "oh i had no problem with that girl". Do you believe what came out of her mouth?

Give me a break here, Amare was clearly unhappy with SHaq last year. Im not saying he won't play with him, but don't tell me because he's not saying it now it never happened. I have eyes.
He was clearly unhappy with porters system... not shaq the whole team was unhappy with porters system. Watch amare play after gentry took over.

[statman32]

Give me a break here, Amare was clearly unhappy with SHaq last year. Im not saying he won't play with him, but don't tell me because he's not saying it now it never happened. I have eyes.
Amare was unhappy that he was reduced to a role player last season, not with Shaq. He did fine with Shaq in 07-08 when Shaq was used as a role player which is the same role he plays in Cleveland.

[Mikaiel]

Let's say your GF meets this other girl you know. She stares at her angrily the whole night. SHe is clearly mad. At the end of the night, she tells you "oh i had no problem with that girl". Do you believe what came out of her mouth?

Give me a break here, Amare was clearly unhappy with SHaq last year. Im not saying he won't play with him, but don't tell me because he's not saying it now it never happened. I have eyes.

I don't know, I didn't watch them enough last year, but it's possible Amar'e was just unhappy with the coach. I think I remember Amar'e playing extremely well with Shaq just after he got there, when D'Antoni was still coaching.

[sergiorodriguez]

I just don't know if that analogy applies. Was Amar'e that unhappy last season? Admittedly, I didn't watch much of the Suns in '09. Couldn't the argument be made that Amar'e was more disappointed with the direction of the team moving toward a halfcourt offense that centered around Shaq? Wouldn't he realize that the system in Cleveland is completely different on every level?

The way that Stoudemire is being described, he sounds like a total primadonna.
Amare is a primadonna and complains to the media alot, and drove Shawn Marion out of Phoenix.


How is the Cavs half court offense centered around Lebron different from Phoenix half court offense centered around Shaq?

Both of these offenses involve not running, and Amare not getting the majority of the touches, something Amare doesn't want.

[ctown4eva]

Amare is a primadonna and complains to the media alot, and drove Shawn Marion out of Phoenix.


How is the Cavs half court offense centered around Lebron different from Phoenix half court offense centered around Shaq?

Both of these offenses involve not running, and Amare not getting the majority of the touches, something Amare doesn't want.

The Cavs run when it suits.

[1~Gibson~1]

Amare is a primadonna and complains to the media alot, and drove Shawn Marion out of Phoenix.


How is the Cavs half court offense centered around Lebron different from Phoenix half court offense centered around Shaq?

Both of these offenses involve not running, and Amare not getting the majority of the touches, something Amare doesn't want.
after this year Shaq will be gone and it'll be strictly LeBron and Amare (if the trade were to go down). So he'd get his touches then. not the majority though of course, because of LeBron.

[blackification]

# I play very well with Shaq. I adverage more pts last year WITH him an played better D.You guys can stop saying we don't play well together. 13 minutes ago from Echofon

http://twitter.com/amareisreal

[ChuckOakley]

Amare is probably worried that going to Cleveland could lower his value in the off-season.

In Cleveland his stats will go down.
-LBJ dominates the ball
-No Nash to feed him
-Shaq takes away touches and rebounds inside
-The slower offense leads to less scoring/rebounding

If he gets assurance Cleveland will extend him/sign him then he probably won't care as much. But w/o that assurance, his play/numbers will surely look less impressive when he's looking to get paid next summer.

[statman32]

after this year Shaq will be gone and it'll be strictly LeBron and Amare (if the trade were to go down). So he'd get his touches then. not the majority though of course, because of LeBron.
He has never got the majority of touches. Nash has always had the ball the majority of the time. The time he complained about touches was when Porter used Shaq as the focal point of the offense and if Sergio doesnt understand what the difference in a half-court offense with Lebron being the focal point instead of Shaq(frontcourt player) being the focal point, thats on him and his inbred parents for breeding such a retard.

[BFRESH44]

# I play very well with Shaq. I adverage more pts last year WITH him an played better D.You guys can stop saying we don't play well together. 13 minutes ago from Echofon



http://twitter.com/amareisreal



*DEAD*

[Rab]

Amare is a primadonna and complains to the media alot, and drove Shawn Marion out of Phoenix.


How is the Cavs half court offense centered around Lebron different from Phoenix half court offense centered around Shaq?

Both of these offenses involve not running, and Amare not getting the majority of the touches, something Amare doesn't want.
You truly have zero knowledge of that situation. D'Antoni wanted Marion gone. He endorsed that Shaq trade and convinced Kerr to do it. Me thinks you just like to read your own drivel.

[statman32]

You truly have zero knowledge of that situation. D'Antoni wanted Marion gone. He endorsed that Shaq trade and convinced Kerr to do it. Me thinks you just like to read your own drivel.
:roll:

whats new? Sergio, godofgods and 1 other have always been the biggest Amare haters and trolls.

[Diesel J]

He has never got the majority of touches. Nash has always had the ball the majority of the time. The time he complained about touches was when Porter used Shaq as the focal point of the offense and if Sergio doesnt understand what the difference in a half-court offense with Lebron being the focal point instead of Shaq(frontcourt player) being the focal point, thats on him and his inbred parents for breeding such a retard.

:lol

[RedBlackAttack]

How is the Cavs half court offense centered around Lebron different from Phoenix half court offense centered around Shaq?

The answer to this question should be somewhat obvious.

First and most importantly, the Cavs are good at it... The Suns weren't. Winning goes a long way to taking care of any problems that players may have with a system. Also, the Suns -- outside of Shaq -- were filled with players that are at their best when running. They tried to shoehorn those guys into a completely different system and it failed miserably (predictably).

Second, the Cavs do run occasionally. It is a very versatile team that can take the court with a myriad of completely different lineups to exploit certain matchups. If the situation calls for it, they have no problem running.

Third, running an offense through a huge center is a completely different look/strategy than playing through an athletic perimeter player. LeBron's style of play is more like Nash than it is like Shaq.

The situations are literally nothing alike.

[Andrei89]

Why do people even think Amare is gonna go to Cleveland and mostly stay in cleveland?

He bought a mansion in Miami 1 week ago ...does that ring any bells?

omg lolz!:lol :lol

[sixer6ad]

Amare is probably worried that going to Cleveland could lower his value in the off-season.

In Cleveland his stats will go down.
-LBJ dominates the ball
-No Nash to feed him
-Shaq takes away touches and rebounds inside
-The slower offense leads to less scoring/rebounding

If he gets assurance Cleveland will extend him/sign him then he probably won't care as much. But w/o that assurance, his play/numbers will surely look less impressive when he's looking to get paid next summer.

If freaking JJ Hickson can pull 23 point, 11 rebound games playing with Lebron, what is Amare going to pull? Amare's production would not drop at all. Mo Williams would go from 17 ppg to 14 ppg, Lebron would go from nearly 30 to 27. Have any of you watched what JJ Hickson has done off the ball lately? Can you imagine if that is Amare or Jamison?

[sixer6ad]

Why do people even think Amare is gonna go to Cleveland and mostly stay in cleveland?

He bought a mansion in Miami 1 week ago ...does that ring any bells?

omg lolz!:lol :lol

The deal is pending the long term signing first. Cleveland will not just rent him. LBJ spent the entire weekend with him to see if this would work. I guarantee you 100% Amare asked LBJ if he was staying. If Amare signs long term, you can bet LBJ is not far behind.

[ctown4eva]

Can we change the thread title now that it's been proven false by multiple sources?

Too many people bouncing into the thread and not reading it and going "Sweet!"

[RedBlackAttack]

Can we change the thread title now that it's been proven false by multiple sources?

Too many people bouncing into the thread and not reading it and going "Sweet!"
It certainly didn't take long for Finnan's 'breaking news' to be completely voided. I'm not sure I've ever seen a story get decimated that thoroughly so quickly.

You have to love the twitter age. :oldlol:

[statman32]

Why do people even think Amare is gonna go to Cleveland and mostly stay in cleveland?

He bought a mansion in Miami 1 week ago ...does that ring any bells?

omg lolz!:lol :lol
He bought a penthouse/hotel/condo in South Beach in July. Not a damn house. Something that can be rented out or used when he is in South Beach. It's mostly a fun investment.

[ctown4eva]

It certainly didn't take long for Finnan's 'breaking news' to be completely voided. I'm not sure I've ever seen a story get decimated that thoroughly so quickly.

You have to love the twitter age. :oldlol:

Finnan's article stank of BS the second I read it. I literally opened up Windhorst's twitter and repeatedly refreshed it for an hour waiting for him to debunk it.

He didn't disappoint me.

[PleezeBelieve]

http://twitter.com/amareisreal
And the hype re-builds.

[BFRESH44]

He bought a penthouse/hotel/condo in South Beach in July. Not a damn house. Something that can be rented out or used when he is in South Beach. It's mostly a fun investment.

Yep. It's a penthouse.

It's at the new "W" property that just opened up a couple summers ago right off Collins Ave. That had to have cost a fortune.

[Diesel J]

Amare is probably worried that going to Cleveland could lower his value in the off-season.

In Cleveland his stats will go down.
-LBJ dominates the ball
-No Nash to feed him



everything he gets from Nash he would get from lebron. Pick and pops? lebron does that all day with Big Z. Pick and rolls? Lebron also does that all day with Verajao and Hickson.

[GollyImSoGully]

lmao @ adverage

[RedBlackAttack]

lmao @ adverage
As long as he can't put the ball in the hoop, he can spell anyway that he sees fit. :oldlol:

[RajonKGcelts]

What a DBag. He obviously doesn't care about championships, just money. WHy doesn't he just stop being a bitch, go there for a season, try to win a ring and then test the market?

[blackification]

What a DBag. He obviously doesn't care about championships, just money. WHy doesn't he just stop being a bitch, go there for a season, try to win a ring and then test the market?
Why don't you read the whole thread?

[Kingwillball]

everything he gets from Nash he would get from lebron. Pick and pops? lebron does that all day with Big Z. Pick and rolls? Lebron also does that all day with Verajao and Hickson.


Lebron wouldn't mind dropping a couple points a gm off his point average to add to his assist total.

[RedBlackAttack]

If this is happening, it needs to get done. I was hoping that Amar'e would be out there Thursday. That is looking highly unlikely.

[statman32]

lmao @ adverage
Amare's response.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti8TmUuvyxM&feature=player_embedded

[thejumpa]

Yeah, what the **** is the holdup? All this back and forth is getting a bit ridiculous. I wanna see someone make a move!

[RedBlackAttack]

Amare's response.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti8TmUuvyxM&feature=player_embedded
Can't believe he got 'Dwyane' right. lulz

[sixer6ad]

Someone on Cavs forum just reported an NBA text alert that deal was done, but no one else on the forum could find anything. Poster said the text alert read that Cavs send Hickson and Ilgauskas to Phoenix for Stoudamire. The entire Northcoast is struggling to find a link right now.

[statman32]

http://twitter.com/amareisreal

Amare deleted his tweet and reposted it w/ fixed spelling :oldlol:

[niko]

Someone on Cavs forum just reported an NBA text alert that deal was done, but no one else on the forum could find anything. Poster said the text alert read that Cavs send Hickson and Ilgauskas to Phoenix for Stoudamire. The entire Northcoast is struggling to find a link right now.

i cant tell you why there is no alert, its not done. do you think with all the noise going back and forth Kerr woudl do this deal tonight and look completely like he hasn't done his due dilligence? Helping a friend is one thing, doing it in a way that gets you fired 6 months from now when the fanbase revolts and Sarver forgets you did it on his behalf is another.

Be patient...its monday - trade deadline is THURSDAY.

[FCN]

http://twitter.com/Amareisreal just tweeted

"I play very well w/Shaq. I averaged more pts last year WITH him & played better D. You guys can stop saying we don't play well together."

[RedBlackAttack]

i cant tell you why there is no alert, its not done. do you think with all the noise going back and forth Kerr woudl do this deal tonight and look completely like he hasn't done his due dilligence? Helping a friend is one thing, doing it in a way that gets you fired 6 months from now when the fanbase revolts and Sarver forgets you did it on his behalf is another.

Be patient...its monday - trade deadline is THURSDAY.
Impossible to be patient. There is too much on the line for us.

[niko]

Impossible to be patient. There is too much on the line for us.
:D Weed is good for when you have too much energy and too much time...weed, some munchies and a good flick..

or a couple of benadryl and a 12 hour nap and check in the morning...

[1~Gibson~1]

Good chance the Suns make a decision on all this before Tues. game at MEM. As @amareisreal's tweet shows, it is a distraction

http://twitter.com/PDcavsinsider

[abuC]

Cavs forum is in a frenzy :roll: :rockon:

[Da Ballahollic]

I play very well w/Shaq. I averaged more pts last year WITH him & played better D. You guys can stop saying we don't play well together.

http://twitter.com/amareisreal

Its gonna happen.

[Lebron23]

Greatest moment in Cleveland Cavaliers History.

[SoCalMike]

[QUOTE]Stoudemire did just fine with Shaq in the house while the Suns were running Mike D

[macpierce]

Greatest moment in Cleveland Cavaliers History.

really??? you mean besides drafting of lebron james?

[amfirst]

No surprise Amare doesn't like the big Diesal.

[Lebron23]

really??? you mean besides drafting of lebron james?


Yes

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[redhonda76]

why would it shock anyone that a guy who has complained about his teammates taking away attention from him his whole career might not want to play with the new face of the league that would assure his second fiddle status?

Amar'e does not want to be a Pippen.

This.
Amare doesn't not want to be anyone's sidekick. He wants to be the main guy.
I wanted Amare to be with the Cavs so he can screw them up in the playoffs.

[sergiorodriguez]

With Amare the Cavs either become a dynasty, or Amare phucks up the team chemistry in the locker room being a primadonna and kills the team. I'd say it's a 99% chance of the latter happening.

[ChuckOakley]

If freaking JJ Hickson can pull 23 point, 11 rebound games playing with Lebron, what is Amare going to pull? Amare's production would not drop at all. Mo Williams would go from 17 ppg to 14 ppg, Lebron would go from nearly 30 to 27. Have any of you watched what JJ Hickson has done off the ball lately? Can you imagine if that is Amare or Jamison?

Again:

-No Nash
-LBJ's #'s
-Shaq's touches
-Slower system (Phoenix scores 110 a game #1 in the league)
-Front court depth and already a great rebounding team (Cleveland +4 rpg over their opponents, Phoenix -1rpg vs. their opponents)

Also a much deeper team than Phoenix:
Nash / Dragic
Richardson / Barbosa
Hill / Dudley
Amare / Amudson
Lopez / Frye

vs.

M.Williams / Gibson
Parker / West
LBJ / Moon
Amare / Powe
Shaq / Varejao

21/9 just doesn't seem doable with the depth there, and I'm almost surprised he doesn't average more in Phoenix.

I think his stats would drop and thus perhaps his value next summer. That is the only legitimate reason I could see why Amare might be worried. That and if the team still doesn't win the title that could affect his value negatively both with Cleveland and across the league. There would be a lot of pressure on the team after that trade and Amare in particular.

[amfirst]

Who the heck would want to go to Cleveland, u can make millions but got nothing fun to spend it on. People wanna live in the fast lane like LA.

[1~Gibson~1]

With Amare the Cavs either become a dynasty, or Amare phucks up the team chemistry in the locker room being a primadonna and kills the team. I'd say it's a 99% chance of the latter happening.
yea right :oldlol:

[blackification]

Lol at the people that don't read the whole thread...

[niko]

http://twitter.com/PDcavsinsider

This is purely him speculating based on Amare's tweets. It's not news...he has decided Amare is such a distraction that Phoenix isn't going to take all the time they have but rather will rush a decision to avoid any distractions (as if there season wasn't in the toilet already).

[Pharcyde]

http://cdn5.tribalfusion.com/media/1891696.jpeg

This was on the bottom of this thread.

[sergiorodriguez]

yea right :oldlol:
Cavs are already the best team in the league-they can either stay the same or get worse. Amare and his team killing ways has potential to kill another team with his massive Ego in the Cleveland Cavs.

[abuC]

ChrisMannixSI
To answer all STAT/Cavs: my read is that it's more likely than not. Most execs bracing for the deal to go down well before the deadline.

[niko]

ChrisMannixSI
To answer all STAT/Cavs: my read is that it's more likely than not. Most execs bracing for the deal to go down well before the deadline.

well hell, Chris Mannix says it so Bucher, Adande, all those other guys must be wrong as its CHris Mannix.

Who is Chris Mannix?

[blackification]

well hell, Chris Mannix says it so Bucher, Adande, all those other guys must be wrong as its CHris Mannix.

Who is Chris Mannix?
guy from sports illustrated

[abuC]

Bucher

http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2007/07/09/ric_bucher_plastic_revelation_3.jpg

"Kobe Bryant will never play another game in a Laker uniform"

[RedBlackAttack]

There are now 653 people viewing the "Amar'e safari" thread. :eek:

[PleezeBelieve]

lol @ niko holding out strong

Trade goes down tomorrow.

[RedBlackAttack]

^^^I have a feeling it might go down tonight. I'm putting together tomorrow's edition of the newspaper that I work for. I'm holding out in hopes that something is announced soon. If I start putting it together and, midway through, something happens, I will have to redo the whole f#cking thing.

[niko]

lol @ niko holding out strong

Trade goes down tomorrow.

if someone says trade is happening they are credible. if they say its not,t hey are not. LOL at people repping Chris Mannix now. Has he EVER been mentioned on this board before?

i don't care if you get Amare, my life will be no better or worse. I just don't think it;s going to happen.

and btw, 73-9 boy, why don't you ever address that? We had to read your 200 stupid threads about it, shouldn't you talk about how wrong you were?

[PleezeBelieve]

^^^I have a feeling it might go down tonight. I'm putting together tomorrow's edition of the newspaper that I work for. I'm holding out in hopes that something is announced soon. If I start putting it together and, midway through, something happens, I will have to redo the whole f#cking thing.
When it does go down, maybe sure you mention the OP in your story. He supplied just what all Cavs fans needed to seal the deal -- fresh can of Anti-Jinx.

:oldlol:

[thejumpa]

Niko do you have a problem with Cleveland or LeBron or something? You seem to be pretty pessimistic when it comes to this trade.

[1~Gibson~1]

Niko do you have a problem with Cleveland or LeBron or something? You seem to be pretty pessimistic when it comes to this trade.
yes he does. he'll never admit it, but he's an Anti-Cavalier. Not in a troll way, just in a way that he's always against whatever is best for the Cavs or saying how it doesnt make sense even when credible sources are provided.

[PleezeBelieve]

Niko do you have a problem with Cleveland or LeBron or something? You seem to be pretty pessimistic when it comes to this trade.
Nah, he's just a pathetic Knicks fan. He honestly thought he had a shot at LeBron.

Poor guy. Tomorrow will be rough on him. :oldlol:

[abuC]

Niko do you have a problem with Cleveland or LeBron or something? You seem to be pretty pessimistic when it comes to this trade.


Yeah, I don't get it he shoots down any info that favors Amare to the Cavs, you can tell he just doesn't want Amare to end up in Cleveland.

[beasted86]

Wow, when you combine all the threads and posts on this "Amare to Cleveland" scenario, I guarantee you get about 2000 posts and 100 pages.

I'd love to see a mod merge all these threads into one, just so we can witness in awe the awesomeness of people letting themselves become media puppets, and gossiping relentless for a trade that never had any legs. :rockon:

Anyway, I'll do you guys a favor:
This trade ain't happening, Cavs fans you guys may go to bed now. :oldlol:

[niko]

yes he does. he'll never admit it, but he's an Anti-Cavalier. Not in a troll way, just in a way that he's always against whatever is best for the Cavs or saying how it doesnt make sense even when credible sources are provided.

it's not logical so i don't think it's happening. I don't think it's a bad trade at all. Not in the LEAST. i just don't like this rewriting of history you all do when something occurs. Amare and Shaq were best friends, skipping and holding hands all of a sudden. They were not. Does that mean they will have problems in Cleveland? Not at all. But why do we have to pretend they never had problems? Explain this..it's too homerish for me, im sorry...

And PB, you weren't first - your thread got bounced for being second. So yes, we should rep the original poster, who was NOT you.

[niko]

Yeah, I don't get it he shoots down any info that favors Amare to the Cavs, you can tell he just doesn't want Amare to end up in Cleveland.

and you shoot down any info that says he might not wind up in Cleveland. We are different how?

[niko]

Wow, when you combine all the threads and posts on this "Amare to Cleveland" scenario, I guarantee you get about 2000 posts and 100 pages.

I'd love to see a mod merge all these threads into one, just so we can witness in awe the awesomeness of people letting themselves become media puppets, and gossiping relentless for a trade that never had any legs. :rockon:

Anyway, I'll do you guys a favor:
This trade ain't happening, Cavs fans you guys may go to bed now. :oldlol:
you know i hate the miami heat, and if lebron went to the heat it would mean the knicks are so ****ed, but it would be worth it, this board would melt down and id laugh for 3 days. :D

[thejumpa]

Just noticed niko is a Knicks fan. Makes sense now.

[xtn5021]

STAT needs to come to the Bay.

[niko]

Just noticed niko is a Knicks fan. Makes sense now.

Yes, because it means I'm from NY, thus I'm not an idiot, and i realize the trade makes no sense. Like Beasted, he's from Miami, also not from some small hole in the wall, also not moron.

Thanks for noticing. I hate having to explain it myself.

And Cleveland fans, my city has won titles in Basketball, Football (3 years ago), Baseball (Last Year). Wait, in baseball we won with YOUR pitcher who took all of 3 minutes to decide Cleveland sucked and call Lebron to tell him.

So bring it on...:D it could be worse, i could live in CLEVELAND.

[Kingwillball]

Amare to Cavs may be a Done Deal according TO Reports from Phe...

http://twitter.com/HrzMatt/status/9167842448

[blackification]

that guy is probably just making shit up

[thejumpa]

Bro you are a hater. It's pretty obvious in your posts. What's with the unnecessary shots at Cleveland and this trade? The idea that you dont want Cleveland to do what's best for them seems right on the money. If the trade doesn't happen, it doesn't happen. There have been multiple sources that have stated this thing has become very serious and could happen sooner than anyone thinks. Being a Knicks fan in 2010, it makes sense why you may think like this.

[lpublic_enemyl]

you know i hate the miami heat, and if lebron went to the heat it would mean the knicks are so ****ed, but it would be worth it, this board would melt down and id laugh for 3 days. :D
lol the heat want amare but don't wanna give up beasly, what u gonna trade broken jermaine oneal and that's it :lol

[niko]

Bro you are a hater. It's pretty obvious in your posts. What's with the unnecessary shots at Cleveland and this trade? The idea that you dont want Cleveland to do what's best for them seems right on the money. If the trade doesn't happen, it doesn't happen. There have been multiple sources that have stated this thing has become very serious and could happen sooner than anyone thinks. Being a Knicks fan in 2010, it makes sense why you may think like this.

i dont think it will. i didnt start this, everyone who says it won't happens gets attacked by the cav fans who get all emotional. you want to take shots at the knicks, ill take shots at the cavs. you want everyone to celebrate this trade BEFORE it happens then go to the Cavs board and you can all jump around together. :confusedshrug:

[mlh1981]

Wow, my head is spinning with all the "will he or won't he?" scenarios out there.

I hear so much stuff, that it's better to just wait until something is 100 percent confirmed before getting too caught up in internet rumors/gossip/twitter, etc.

The Cavs are a great, close knit team. I think Amare would be motivated coming here, with a real chance at a title. He also wants to play well, with his own free agency situation.

I don't see this being a problem. Part of me thinks that they should learn their lesson from last year, when they DIDN'T make a move, but then part of me thinks that they already MADE that a crucial move already when they added Shaq in the offseason.

To mess with chemistry, or to leave it alone......that is the question.

[RedBlackAttack]

New Windhorst article...


As Amar'e Stoudemire asserts he can play with Shaquille O'Neal, Cavaliers play waiting game on Phoenix's trade decision

By Brian Windhorst, The Plain Dealer
February 15, 2010, 10:11PM
Matt York / Associated Press

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- This is supposedly the climax of trade season in the NBA. But that isn't really accurate.

It is the climax of money season. For both teams and players.

Money is at the heart of the potentially league-altering trade the Cavaliers and Phoenix Suns continue to ponder that would bring All-Star Amar'e Stoudemire to Cleveland.

The Cavs, according to sources, are waiting for an answer with their offer that centers around Zydrunas Ilgauskas and J.J. Hickson but may include another player or draft pick. The Cavs have established other trade options, but they are waiting for resolution to their Stoudemire bid before doing anything else.

The talks have gotten so much attention in Cleveland and Phoenix that there is a belief that the Suns will make their decision on Stoudemire before their game Tuesday night in Memphis. The rumors are clearly causing distraction.

Monday night -- as he was with his teammates in Memphis -- Stoudemire used his Twitter account to address Internet rumors that popped up during the day that he didn't want to play with the Cavs and former teammate Shaquille O'Neal.

"I play very well with Shaq. I averaged more [points] last year WITH him [and] played better [defense]. You guys can stop saying we don't play well together," Stoudemire wrote.

The rumors are obviously distracting to him and probably his teammates.

Here is where the money comes in, however. The Arizona Republic reported in its Monday editions that the Suns and Stoudemire exchanged contract extension proposals over the weekend. Stoudemire can become a free agent this summer and the Suns would like some clarity with his future before deciding to keep or trade him.

According to sources, though, the two sides were not close. Stoudemire is believed to be looking for an extension close to what Lakers' All-Star Pau Gasol signed earlier this season. Gasol's new contract averages $19 million a season over three years. The Suns are believed to be offering fewer years and less money.

Stoudemire has an option in his contract for next season worth more than $17 million and he likely will not pick it up, wanting a new deal before a potential lockout in 2011. But he won't want to take a pay cut, either. So it is easy to see why there's an impasse. The Suns signed him to that salary before two knee surgeries -- one that was career-threatening -- and a career-threatening eye injury.

The Cavs, it has been reported by Yahoo! Sports, have not talked to Stoudemire about offering their own contract extension. But they also could not do that without the blessing of the Suns. Otherwise it would be considered tampering by the NBA.

In addition, with such a high-risk investment, the Cavs likely would not commit anything contract-wise until after they see how a potential partnership with LeBron James would work.

If the Suns reach the conclusion that they must trade Stoudemire or lose him for nothing, they must weight the trade offers. Taking the Cavs offer, if they work a buyout of Ilgauskas' contract, potentially could save the team around $10 million in salary, luxury taxes and revenue-sharing bonuses.

Once again, it is about the money.

Now for the Cavs' other trade options. Right now, according to sources, they are far from nailed down.

The Washington Post has reported the Cavs have not made an official trade offer for Wizards forward Antawn Jamison as yet. This backs up the belief that Stoudemire is the Cavs' No. 1 option and they are waiting for that to play out.

If the Wizards want to trade Jamison for an expiring contracts and get under the salary cap this summer, it appears the Cavs may be their only legitimate option.

According to a source, the Cavs and Indiana Pacers have not progressed in talks for forward Troy Murphy since last week. Contrary to a Monday report in the Los Angeles Times, the Cavs do not have a deal in place for Murphy if the Stoudemire option falls though.

Though the Cavs made some progress from the initial Pacers demands a month ago, there is a belief that Indiana is still asking more than the Cavs are comfortable giving right now. That may be the demand for Hickson to be part of the deal but also could include draft picks.

The trade deadline is Thursday at 3 p.m.

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/02/as_amare_stoudemire_asserts_he.html

[thejumpa]

i dont think it will. i didnt start this, everyone who says it won't happens gets attacked by the cav fans who get all emotional. you want to take shots at the knicks, ill take shots at the cavs. you want everyone to celebrate this trade BEFORE it happens then go to the Cavs board and you can all jump around together. :confusedshrug:

I wasn't really trying to take shots at Knicks fans. I was just saying that I can understand your apparent frustration and/or pessimistic approach. You're right...no need in celebrating a trade before it happens. However, there is also no need to try to shoot it down like it won't happen. I think it's pretty obvious that this trade has a great chance of going down.

And no, I'm not an emotional Cavs fan. My team has nothing to do with this trade. Just making an observation. If I'm wrong, then so be it. Surely you can understand my point, though.

[PleezeBelieve]

New Windhorst article...



http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/02/as_amare_stoudemire_asserts_he.html
This basically tells me the story won't break till tomorrow or early morning eastern time at the earliest.

You can go to bed.

Windy knows the trade is close but won't give any juicy info.

[PleezeBelieve]

Amare's tweet got the whole internet buzzin...lol

[niko]

I wasn't really trying to take shots at Knicks fans. I was just saying that I can understand your apparent frustration and/or pessimistic approach. You're right...no need in celebrating a trade before it happens. However, there is also no need to try to shoot it down like it won't happen. I think it's pretty obvious that this trade has a great chance of going down.

And no, I'm not an emotional Cavs fan. My team has nothing to do with this trade. Just making an observation. If I'm wrong, then so be it. Surely you can understand my point, though.

no, you assume i'm saying this won't happen because i don't want it to happen. i don't think it's going to happen because in my years of watching the nba, 99% of the deals which seem to make no sense don't occur. what i want and what i think will happen are not hte same things (like i WANT lebron to come to NY but i doubt there is a chance in hell of it happening). i can differentitate, i don't think most of this board can.

[ctown4eva]

niko still saying this has 0 shot at happening?

/leaves thread

[RedBlackAttack]

niko still saying this has 0 shot at happening?

/leaves thread
Nah... That would be Beasted.

[Kingwillball]

Sounds as if if Cavs get Amare it will be announced by Tomorrow especially with Suns playing back to back Wed/Thurs and there is a Chance Amare will be uniform on Thurs for Cavs when they face Nuggets.

[steeph28]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4917483&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines&utm_source=espn&utm_medium=twitter

[PleezeBelieve]

LMAO @ Marc Stein. Dude is the biggest Cavs hater aomng the national media.

Again, these dudes have been talking about all these HOT RUMORED deals and I don't see it.

Ferry got the entire NBA shook...lol. Riley saying one day he's not looking to trade Beasley, next day he's in the mix.

The Heat have no offer to outmatch Cleveland's in terms of salary and talent. NONE.

[beasted86]

Nah... That would be Beasted.
Yeah, because it doesn't. But I'm enjoying the hype. :cheers:

People don't realize how epic this is all the hype surrounding just one possibility, no matter how far fetched... huddling at 1 AM staring at their computer screen begging for one article, one news feed, one tweet.....


I can only imagine what this board will look like in July 2010 :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Kingwillball]

LMAO @ Marc Stein. Dude is the biggest Cavs hater aomng the national media.

Again, these dudes have been talking about all these HOT RUMORED deals and I don't see it.

Ferry got the entire NBA shook...lol. Riley saying one day he's not looking to trade Beasley, next day he's in the mix.

The Heat have no offer to outmatch Cleveland's in terms of salary and talent. NONE.


LIke I wrote above if Cavs Land Amare it will be done tomorrow most likely..I would be shocked if it lasted til Thurs no matter where Amare ends up.

[PleezeBelieve]

LIke I wrote above if Cavs Land Amare it will be done tomorrow most likely..I would be shocked if it lasted til Thurs no matter where Amare ends up.
Suns can go to the deadline if they want but Cleveland's deal will be off the table.

[oh the horror]

These trade deadlines always drive me insane. Waiting to hear what teams are going to do, is a real pain in the ass. Anticipation kills me sometimes.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

so, why doesn't Amare want to go to Cleveland?
He said he would love to play in LA.
What gives?

[blackification]

so, why doesn't Amare want to go to Cleveland?
He said he would love to play in LA.
What gives?
Because this thread starter off of a bs rumor posted by a writer in cleveland that wanted hits. I don't know why people are still posting in here prolly cuz of the controversial thread title.

[RedBlackAttack]

so, why doesn't Amare want to go to Cleveland?
He said he would love to play in LA.
What gives?
Read through the entire thread. Amar'e himself chimed in on his twitter account and said that the idea that he doesn't want to play in Cleveland and that he doesn't like Shaq is nonsense.


Yeah, because it doesn't. But I'm enjoying the hype. :cheers:

People don't realize how epic this is all the hype surrounding just one possibility, no matter how far fetched... huddling at 1 AM staring at their computer screen begging for one article, one news feed, one tweet.....

Prepare to eat crow, my friend.

[GollyImSoGully]

I'm gonna be laughing my ass off if he doesn't get traded to the Cavs.

[chazzy]

Now.. the Cavs are in talks for Maggette?!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4917507

Bad Porn.. he gives you penetration but it's not fun to watch

[RedBlackAttack]

Now.. the Cavs are in talks for Maggette?!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4917507

Bad Porn.. he gives you penetration but it's not fun to watch
Yeah... I've heard about this from several sources, but I think it is sort of a last resort option. If everything else falls through, we may go with Maggette. I could also see us using Wally in a deal for Magg to compliment a bigger deal for Stat/Murphy/Jamison.

[crisoner]

I think Cory Maggette would be a nice addition to the Cavs as well...if dude can stay healthy of course.

But the Heat are pushing for Amare...somethings bout to happen.

[SoCalMike]

The Cavs seem desperate to make a move to make Lebron stay...



:pimp:

[RedBlackAttack]

The Cavs seem desperate to make a move to make Lebron stay...



:pimp:
Disagree. They are just one of the few teams in the league that is 'able' to make a move right now and it is a buyer's market. Why wouldn't they be trying to improve the roster? I also think that the fact that they went through last year's deadline without making a move and it clearly came back to bite them in the playoffs is playing a role.

[ihatetimthomas]

If this is true, I have no respect for Amare. How selfish can you be not to want to go to the best team in the East and be a significant contributor? Amare puts the Cavs in a great position to win a title. And he doesn't want to go there? He can always opt out and sign elsewhere. Not too sure if I really believe this though

[RedBlackAttack]

If this is true, I have no respect for Amare. How selfish can you be not to want to go to the best team in the East and be a significant contributor? Amare puts the Cavs in a great position to win a title. And he doesn't want to go there? He can always opt out and sign elsewhere. Not too sure if I really believe this though
Again... Peruse the thread and not just the OP. The article was quickly proven to have absolutely no merit.

[plowking]

Apparently now Heat are making a huge push according to RealGM and Yahoo...

[ihatetimthomas]

Again... Peruse the thread and not just the OP. The article was quickly proven to have absolutely no merit.

I said IF it were true, this is how I would feel about it. Even reading just the OP, I had my doubts of its validity

[sergiorodriguez]

Lol at Cavs fans desperately reimagining Amare to be something that he isn't.

This guy has one of the biggest egos in the league. He can't play D. He creates locker room problems. He is not the kind of player you want on a contender. Why do you think the Suns never got to the finals?

[RedBlackAttack]

Apparently now Heat are making a huge push according to RealGM and Yahoo...
I don't know, man... It sounds a bit too complicated for the Heat at this point in the game.


For the 100th time. Michael Beasley WILL NOT become a Phoenix Sun. Miami wants in on Amare but needs another dance partner to make it work

http://twitter.com/Gambo620/status/9172782888

[Lebron23]

Lol at Cavs fans desperately reimagining Amare to be something that he isn't.

This guy has one of the biggest egos in the league. He can't play D. He creates locker room problems. He is not the kind of player you want on a contender. Why do you think the Suns never got to the finals?


The 2005-2007 Phoenix Suns were one of the greatest offensive teams in the NBA, but they don't play defense.

Defense wins Championship.

:no: :no: :no:

[YAWN]

holy shit, i knew happy walters his agent :roll:

[plowking]

If Riley wants the trade, he'll find a way to make it work. I don't see why a third team is needed... The only reason would be is if the Suns don't want to include another player to make the salaries work...

[HighFlyer23]

watch him go nowhere ...after around 2 years of trade talks :lol

sixers should seriously make a push or somethin

[ihatetimthomas]

Lol at Cavs fans desperately reimagining Amare to be something that he isn't.

This guy has one of the biggest egos in the league. He can't play D. He creates locker room problems. He is not the kind of player you want on a contender. Why do you think the Suns never got to the finals?

The Cavs are a defensive minded team with Mike Brown at the helm. Mike Dantoni cannot even spell the word defense. I think the Cavs are built to win a title, and the Suns wer built to win the best record in the NBA. Two different types of teams

Amare is not the best defender, but in a system predicated on defense, a lot of your deficiencies are made up for. Proper rotation, proper team help really makes you look a lot better defensively than you really are.

[RedBlackAttack]

If Riley wants the trade, he'll find a way to make it work. I don't see why a third team is needed... The only reason would be is if the Suns don't want to include another player to make the salaries work...
Phoenix does not want Beasley, apparently... So, I guess the thinking is that Miami would have to include a third team that has interest in Beasley that would have pieces that Phoenix would want.

[plowking]

Phoenix does not want Beasley, apparently... So, I guess the thinking is that Miami would have to include a third team that has interest in Beasley that would have pieces that Phoenix would want.

I thought it was Riley not wanting to give Beasley and only offering JO which was the problem as Phoenix did not want to add further players. They in fact are keen on Beasley (all according to realGM).

[sergiorodriguez]

The Cavs are a defensive minded team with Mike Brown at the helm. Mike Dantoni cannot even spell the word defense. I think the Cavs are built to win a title, and the Suns wer built to win the best record in the NBA. Two different types of teams

Amare is not the best defender, but in a system predicated on defense, a lot of your deficiencies are made up for. Proper rotation, proper team help really makes you look a lot better defensively than you really are.
Mike Brown can't even spell the word coaching. Amare is not a good fit for this team. Popovich couldn't make him a good defensive player.

Also, Shaq doesn't make up for his missed rotations seeing as Shaq misses rotations himself

[RedBlackAttack]

The rollercoaster ride continues... :hammerhead:


Amare Stoudemire Trade Update 3.0

Let me first start off by thanking each and every one of you 2,246 visitors that came by on Saturday afternoon to read my Amare Stoudemire trade update. I’m proud to say I was able to break the story and post new incoming details on the Amare trade discussions, 9 minutes before ESPN.com posted their news on their NBA Rumor Central page. So with new developments coming in through a few of my sources close to the information, why not do it again?!

The two hottest teams still in serious discussions involving Amare Stoudemire are the Cleveland Cavaliers and the Philadelphia 76ers. Talks are most serious in Cleveland, with the Cavaliers nearly in completion of a deal with Phoenix for Amare that could go down as early as in the next 24 hours sources tell me.

Cleveland Cavaliers

The biggest breaking news is regarding the Cleveland Cavaliers organization, the stakes have been raised, talks have made significant progress and there’s a new and improved offer on the table. One of my sources tells me Cleveland sent a proposal earlier this morning to Phoenix that included Zydrunas Ilgauskas, J.J. Hickson, Danny Green and $1.7 million cash (that cash is included to offset the 1.7 million trade kicker Ilgauskas has in his contract) for Amare Stoudemire (no J-Rich). While Cleveland has sweetened the deal, the Suns reportedly were still not completely satisfied and sent a counter proposal back. The deal is now in the hands of the Cleveland Cavaliers with the Suns counter proposal including Cleveland’s 2010 first round pick in the package. A source told me Cleveland is seriously considering the Suns offer but is still a bit hesitant including their first round pick for the upcoming 2010 draft. This deal could be finalized and sent to commissioner David Stern as early as tomorrow if Cleveland is willing to include the 1st round pick.

Another source confirmed this new deal that is in the hands of Cleveland now, but also told me that Cleveland hasn’t given up hope on the possibility of doing a three-team trade involving the Philadelphia 76ers. I’m told the one major holdup in those three way discussions is that Philly isn’t interested unless they receive Hickson in the swap. Which makes a three-team trade very unlikely.

Philadelphia 76ers

While Philadelphia has also sweetened their deal with Phoenix during discussions held earlier today, the Suns have remained more interested in their talks with Cleveland. My source tells me that Philadelphia’s deal would send Andre Iguodala, Samuel Dalembert, and Lou Williams to Phoenix in exchange for Amare Stoudemire, Jason Richardson, and Leandro Barbosa. Sources tell me as much as the Suns love Iguodala they’re not really interested in talking back all that salary that included.

In Regards to Both Deals

All my sources have confirmed that both of these first deals are actual proposals but the Suns have also discussed a few other deals between the 76ers and Cavaliers. On a final note, while I’ve been in contact with multiple sources, but one source in particular surprised me by stating that something’s going to happen within the next 24 hours.

A Couple Side Notes:

-Take a scroll down some of Amare Stoudemire’s lastest tweets on his official Twitter page, he’s clearly distracted and fed up with all the trade talk. Just two hours ago, Amare himself tweeted this: “I play very well w/Shaq. I averaged more pts last year WITH him & played better D. You guys can stop saying we don’t play well together.”

-The Suns reportedly offered Amare a two-year contract extension this weekend and Stoudemire declined the offer.

That’s the lastest here from the Outtatownclowns, be sure to stay tuned for all Amare Stoudemire trade news, because if any more details develop, we’ll be on it!

Follow Ross Geiger on Twitter for more NBA Updates: @RossGeiger

http://outtatownclowns.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/amare-stoudemire-trade-update-3-0/

[ihatetimthomas]

Mike Brown can't even spell the word coaching. Amare is not a good fit for this team. Popovich couldn't make him a good defensive player.

Also, Shaq doesn't make up for his missed rotations seeing as Shaq misses rotations himself

Just saying that if you play in a system with no defensive structure and you yourself are not a great defender, you are going to look overly exposed. But you put yourself on a more defensive minded team and you look better than what you are. I'm not saying he would become a great defender in Cleveland or even on the Spurs. I'm simply stating that you can become adequate in a solid defensive system

[beasted86]

Phoenix does not want Beasley, apparently... So, I guess the thinking is that Miami would have to include a third team that has interest in Beasley that would have pieces that Phoenix would want.
It's not that Phoenix doesn't want Beasley (because I have my own link that speculates otherwise) it's simply fact (not speculation) that Arison has said the Heat aren't offering Beasley in any trade scenarios.

Phoenix isn't interested in anything not involving Wade or Beasley... because Phoenix isn't trading Stoudemire for simple salary relief. No sense trading an expirer for far worse expirers.

[SoCalMike]

The Cavs are a defensive minded team with Mike Brown at the helm. Mike Dantoni cannot even spell the word defense. I think the Cavs are built to win a title, and the Suns wer built to win the best record in the NBA. Two different types of teams

Amare is not the best defender, but in a system predicated on defense, a lot of your deficiencies are made up for. Proper rotation, proper team help really makes you look a lot better defensively than you really are.

you make very good points that i think people will argue ad naseum....




:pimp:

[RedBlackAttack]

It's not that Phoenix doesn't want Beasley (because I have my own link that speculates otherwise) it's simply fact (not speculation) that Arison has said the Heat aren't offering Beasley in any trade scenarios.

Phoenix isn't interested in anything not involving Wade or Beasley... because Phoenix isn't trading Stoudemire for simple salary relief. No sense trading an expirer for far worse expirers.
I don't understand why the Heat would not want to involve Beasley in a trade for Stat. They must be seeing something that I am not. Don't get me wrong... Beasley has skill and he could become an impact player in this league down the road, but I'll be surprised (shocked) if he is ever as good as Stoudemire. If the Heat acquired Stat, not only would he almost certainly sign an extension in a city that he loves, but that would likely be enough to show DWade that they are serious about building a contender around him.

I don't know what they are thinking if the only thing holding back a deal is Beasley. Do they have expirers equal to the relief that Big Z would offer?

[Basketman]

If the rumor is true, then the Cavs should just fork out their late first round pick. What's the chance that they draft anyone useful anyways? Amare is guaranteed to produce.

[BlueandGold]

Reportedly, Stoudemire didn't mesh with O'Neal last year in Phoenix.

that's sad that shaq is the thing that's stopping cleveland from being the next nba dynasty.. ironic that the shaq trade has done the exact opposite of what it was suppose to do. Instead of bringing the "king a ring" shaq has scared off any potential trades/free agents and has handicapped cleveland with his ridiculous 10million dollar contract while he's putting up 10/6 type numbers.

disgusting

[CLE[216]]

that's sad that shaq is the thing that's stopping cleveland from being the next nba dynasty.. ironic that the shaq trade has done the exact opposite of what it was suppose to do. Instead of bringing the "king a ring" shaq has scared off any potential trades/free agents and has handicapped cleveland with his ridiculous 10million dollar contract while he's putting up 10/6 type numbers.

disgusting

LOL

from Amare's Twitter:

"I play very well w/Shaq. I averaged more pts last year WITH him & played better D. You guys can stop saying we don't play well together"

http://twitter.com/amareisreal

[beasted86]

http://outtatownclowns.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/amare-stoudemire-trade-update-3-0/

:bowdown:

His reasoning says the only thing holding this trade back is Cleveland is hesitant to include a first round pick?? I don't know if it's worse that he posted it, or you re-posted it.

When this trade doesn't happen, I'm NOT going to gloat, I'm NOT going to say I told you so... the only thing I want is this.... from this moment going forward, no Cleveland fan is ever allowed to EVER use any of these media members as support for a credible source on any rumor.

For the moment this deal dies, no Cav fan will ever be able to say Brian Windhorst, Ross Geiger, etc... etc.. said "this". That license will be here forth revoked. All these media outlets will from this point on be called "unreliable sources".

[crisoner]

']LOL

from Amare's Twitter:

"I play very well w/Shaq. I averaged more pts last year WITH him & played better D. You guys can stop saying we don't play well together"

http://twitter.com/amareisreal


Hmmmm I think that means Amare is going to the Cavs and it is damn near official.

[macpierce]

steve kerr is a genius

[crisoner]

steve kerr is a genius


LOL

The whole damn team is gone...he's next move will be to send Nash to the Raptors watch.

[Knuck the Ficks]

From the article posted by RBA:

[QUOTE]One of my sources tells me Cleveland sent a proposal earlier this morning to Phoenix that included Zydrunas Ilgauskas, J.J. Hickson, Danny Green and $1.7 million cash (that cash is included to offset the 1.7 million trade kicker Ilgauskas has in his contract) for Amare Stoudemire (no J-Rich). While Cleveland has sweetened the deal, the Suns reportedly were still not completely satisfied and sent a counter proposal back. The deal is now in the hands of the Cleveland Cavaliers with the Suns counter proposal including Cleveland

[RedBlackAttack]

From the article posted by RBA:


:oldlol:

I find it hard to believe that Cleveland would break off the trade over a pick that's going to be at least #27.

If this happens then it would be just as bad as the Pau Gasol trade. I still think that Amare is a damn fine player who is worth more than J.J. Hickson.
I don't think that there are many Cavs fans that would disagree with you. I've seen enough out of JJ to believe that he has a nice career ahead of him in this league. That said, his absolute best case scenario and absolute peak ceiling is probably still not as good as Stat.

Also, I will be shocked if a draft pick keeps this from happening. If that is the only sticking point, there is no doubt in my mind that the trade will happen.

[RedBlackAttack]

:bowdown:

His reasoning says the only thing holding this trade back is Cleveland is hesitant to include a first round pick?? I don't know if it's worse that he posted it, or you re-posted it.

When this trade doesn't happen, I'm NOT going to gloat, I'm NOT going to say I told you so... the only thing I want is this.... from this moment going forward, no Cleveland fan is ever allowed to EVER use any of these media members as support for a credible source on any rumor.

For the moment this deal dies, no Cav fan will ever be able to say Brian Windhorst, Ross Geiger, etc... etc.. said "this". That license will be here forth revoked. All these media outlets will from this point on be called "unreliable sources".
...and if the trade happens, I suppose that you will take the opposite stance, which is to say...

A. You will happily lap up the crow that is certain to be headed your way.
B. Your opinion involving trade talks is never to be taken seriously again.
C. Brian Windhorst, Ross Geiger, etc., etc. will hence forth be considered iron clad in their predictions and leaks.

And, why wouldn't I post the link and the article? Just because I post it doesn't mean that I agree with every word and that I'm vouching for its validity. If I see an interesting piece, I post it, regardless of what 'side' it promotes, who the author is or how valid I think the leak is. I'll let you read it and decide for yourself.

I don't know why you are getting so emotionally involved in this particular trade. I mean... I know why I have emotional investment, being that it could have significant impact on -- not just this season -- but the future of the Cavaliers' organization. The fact that you have been so bent out of shape throughout these discussions is more of a mystery.

If the deal doesn't happen, it won't be the end of the world for Cavs' fans. We will still have the team with the best record in the league and we will still likely make a different move to improve the team. If it does happen, great.

[BlueandGold]

Does Amare have any say in whether or not this deal will go down? Even if he doesn't want to go and if the Suns trade him he's forced to leave right? Or does he have a no trade clause im' not aware of?

[RedBlackAttack]

Does Amare have any say in whether or not this deal will go down? Even if he doesn't want to go and if the Suns trade him he's forced to leave right? Or does he have a no trade clause im' not aware of?
It is a moot point because he has no problem coming to Cleveland.

[cotdt]

...and if the trade happens, I suppose that you will take the opposite stance, which is to say...

A. You will happily lap up the crow that is certain to be headed your way.
B. Your opinion involving trade talks is never to be taken seriously again.
C. Brian Windhorst, Ross Geiger, etc., etc. will hence forth be considered iron clad in their predictions and leaks.

And, why wouldn't I post the link and the article? Just because I post it doesn't mean that I agree with every word and that I'm vouching for its validity. If I see an interesting piece, I post it, regardless of what 'side' it promotes, who the author is or how valid I think the leak is. I'll let you read it and decide for yourself.

I don't know why you are getting so emotionally involved in this particular trade. I mean... I know why I have emotional investment, being that it could have significant impact on -- not just this season -- but the future of the Cavaliers' organization. The fact that you have been so bent out of shape throughout these discussions is more of a mystery.

If the deal doesn't happen, it won't be the end of the world for Cavs' fans. We will still have the team with the best record in the league and we will still likely make a different move to improve the team. If it does happen, great.

Is English your first language?

[AKADS]

Does Amare have any say in whether or not this deal will go down? Even if he doesn't want to go and if the Suns trade him he's forced to leave right? Or does he have a no trade clause im' not aware of?
no the only player with a no trade is Kobe. To get a no trade clause you have to play with the same team for 10 yrs and get your team to agree to one in your contract.

[niko]

The rollercoaster ride continues... :hammerhead:



http://outtatownclowns.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/amare-stoudemire-trade-update-3-0/

you people do know some of these updates are just total bullshit right. He;s reporting Cleveland balking on including a pick? There #30 pick? For Amare? What? Nothing else in the update is even interesting or new.

I need twitter. BREAKING UPDATE! Trade talk continues..it's not done yet. Cleveland balking at trading with Suns due to Kerr not being able to speak in coherent english as he is a retard. Amare promises to send more incoherent tweets today to keep us updated.

[RedBlackAttack]

you people do know some of these updates are just total bullshit right. He;s reporting Cleveland balking on including a pick? There #30 pick? For Amare? What? Nothing else in the update is even interesting or new.

I need twitter. BREAKING UPDATE! Trade talk continues..it's not done yet. Cleveland balking at trading with Suns due to Kerr not being able to speak in coherent english as he is a retard. Amare promises to send more incoherent tweets today to keep us updated.
Again...


Just because I post it doesn't mean that I agree with every word and that I'm vouching for its validity. If I see an interesting piece, I post it, regardless of what 'side' it promotes, who the author is or how valid I think the leak is. I'll let you read it and decide for yourself.

[mamba24]

Again...

thats bullcrap...cleveland will trade its entire team outside of lebron to get him an all star talent. but the market wants expiring contracts and youth talent...

cleveland has decent players in Mo, Varejao, Parker, Big Z, Shaq...but no one wants those guys due to their contracts.

[plowking]

Seeing as the Heat did nothing to get Wade a decent player, you can pretty much guarantee he's leaving at the end of the season...

[niko]

Again...
wasn't aimed at you, just at people in general. people are arguing how great sources are and a lot of them are just repeating each other and adding things that can't possibly be verified. the same is happening in ny, the nypost reported that the Knicks might make a trade for McGrady as breaking news and added the Knicks are balking at including Hill. Does anyone really think the problem is Hill, and not the picks?

if amare is traded those who said he wouldn't be will say something changed, if he is not traded to Cleveland Brian Windhorst will spin it as something changed. None of us will know who was right or wrong. It's the PB defense, if he's right he'll crow, if he's wrong he'll say something changed and ignore.

[DukeDelonte13]

Seeing as the Heat did nothing to get Wade a decent player, you can pretty much guarantee he's leaving at the end of the season...

The heat fans are now starting to listen and think..... Maybe Riley's handling of Wade's contract extension wasn't the best....

[ezzy]

all you punks trying to talk smack about cleveland, thinking you are all that living in some megapolis (prolly way out in the exburbs) talking chit about a place you've probably never been, and would probably like if you ever did.

the worst part about NY, LA, and miami are the residents thinking ignorantly that nothing else is happening anywhere else. that they are the center of all action. that might have been true before the 90's, but the internet leveled things out, and besides your social life is made by you, not by the city you live in. i've known plenty of sorry fuggs from LA and New York.

i have been in 30+ US states over the last 5 years, and spent time (usually partying) in more cities than I could list. If you think a place like Cleveland has nothing to offer most folks you are ignorant, or completely define yourself by externals. Look up cost of living, quality of life, entertainment and cultural options, parks, nature, services, local talent -- I can proudly stick up for Cleveland. Oh yeah, and our basketball team is better than yours, how's that feel?

I love New York for what it is, the biggest slice of US metro we have. I can enjoy some bikini girls on south beach or a cruise through the hollywood hills, but the rest of it is very much overrated to me. If i wanted to get a huge upgrade from Cleveland I'd have to get out of the USA as far as I'm concerned.

(disclosure -- there's a foot of snow out and i'm freezing my azz off - inside - and i can still type this).

[KenneBell]

all you punks trying to talk smack about cleveland, thinking you are all that living in some megapolis (prolly way out in the exburbs) talking chit about a place you've probably never been, and would probably like if you ever did.

the worst part about NY, LA, and miami are the residents thinking ignorantly that nothing else is happening anywhere else. that they are the center of all action. that might have been true before the 90's, but the internet leveled things out, and besides your social life is made by you, not by the city you live in. i've known plenty of sorry fuggs from LA and New York.

i have been in 30+ US states over the last 5 years, and spent time (usually partying) in more cities than I could list. If you think a place like Cleveland has nothing to offer most folks you are ignorant, or completely define yourself by externals. Look up cost of living, quality of life, entertainment and cultural options, parks, nature, services, local talent -- I can proudly stick up for Cleveland. Oh yeah, and our basketball team is better than yours, how's that feel?

I love New York for what it is, the biggest slice of US metro we have. I can enjoy some bikini girls on south beach or a cruise through the hollywood hills, but the rest of it is very much overrated to me. If i wanted to get a huge upgrade from Cleveland I'd have to get out of the USA as far as I'm concerned.

(disclosure -- there's a foot of snow out and i'm freezing my azz off - inside - and i can still type this).
Cleveland. :oldlol:

[GollyImSoGully]

all you punks trying to talk smack about cleveland, thinking you are all that living in some megapolis (prolly way out in the exburbs) talking chit about a place you've probably never been, and would probably like if you ever did.

the worst part about NY, LA, and miami are the residents thinking ignorantly that nothing else is happening anywhere else. that they are the center of all action. that might have been true before the 90's, but the internet leveled things out, and besides your social life is made by you, not by the city you live in. i've known plenty of sorry fuggs from LA and New York.

i have been in 30+ US states over the last 5 years, and spent time (usually partying) in more cities than I could list. If you think a place like Cleveland has nothing to offer most folks you are ignorant, or completely define yourself by externals. Look up cost of living, quality of life, entertainment and cultural options, parks, nature, services, local talent -- I can proudly stick up for Cleveland. Oh yeah, and our basketball team is better than yours, how's that feel?

I love New York for what it is, the biggest slice of US metro we have. I can enjoy some bikini girls on south beach or a cruise through the hollywood hills, but the rest of it is very much overrated to me. If i wanted to get a huge upgrade from Cleveland I'd have to get out of the USA as far as I'm concerned.

(disclosure -- there's a foot of snow out and i'm freezing my azz off - inside - and i can still type this).

Tell me why you mad though.

[niko]

all you punks trying to talk smack about cleveland, thinking you are all that living in some megapolis (prolly way out in the exburbs) talking chit about a place you've probably never been, and would probably like if you ever did.

the worst part about NY, LA, and miami are the residents thinking ignorantly that nothing else is happening anywhere else. that they are the center of all action. that might have been true before the 90's, but the internet leveled things out, and besides your social life is made by you, not by the city you live in. i've known plenty of sorry fuggs from LA and New York.

i have been in 30+ US states over the last 5 years, and spent time (usually partying) in more cities than I could list. If you think a place like Cleveland has nothing to offer most folks you are ignorant, or completely define yourself by externals. Look up cost of living, quality of life, entertainment and cultural options, parks, nature, services, local talent -- I can proudly stick up for Cleveland. Oh yeah, and our basketball team is better than yours, how's that feel?

I love New York for what it is, the biggest slice of US metro we have. I can enjoy some bikini girls on south beach or a cruise through the hollywood hills, but the rest of it is very much overrated to me. If i wanted to get a huge upgrade from Cleveland I'd have to get out of the USA as far as I'm concerned.

(disclosure -- there's a foot of snow out and i'm freezing my azz off - inside - and i can still type this).

:applause: good for you.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

I don't understand why the Heat would not want to involve Beasley in a trade for Stat. They must be seeing something that I am not. Don't get me wrong... Beasley has skill and he could become an impact player in this league down the road, but I'll be surprised (shocked) if he is ever as good as Stoudemire. If the Heat acquired Stat, not only would he almost certainly sign an extension in a city that he loves, but that would likely be enough to show DWade that they are serious about building a contender around him.

I don't know what they are thinking if the only thing holding back a deal is Beasley. Do they have expirers equal to the relief that Big Z would offer?
why would miami want to include beasely when all the cavs are giving up is big z and jj hickson?

[GollyImSoGully]

FoxSportsRadio says the deal is dead, Cleveland pulled the offer since PHX was taking too long.


Take it for what it's worth

Got it on a Cavs board

[niko]

Take it for what it's worth

Got it on a Cavs board

Deals are dead until they are not dead. Until Amare goes somewhere, the deal is possible. (I never thought it would happen and still don't, but if you DID think it was happening, this should not dissuade you.)

[beasted86]

If the deal doesn't happen, it won't be the end of the world for Cavs' fans. We will still have the team with the best record in the league and we will still likely make a different move to improve the team. If it does happen, great.
Oh, exactly... that's why there's no need to gloat or say I told you so.

But I've noticed a trend in this topic especially of people quick to dispell the source of the OP even before the Amare tweet "just because Brian Windhorst said otherwise", as though he's some all inclusive iron clad source. That's why the only thing I want out of the outcome is for that nonsense to stop. I need you guys to admit that those clowns are biased, and unreliable.


I don't know why you are getting so emotionally involved in this particular trade. I mean... I know why I have emotional investment, being that it could have significant impact on -- not just this season -- but the future of the Cavaliers' organization. The fact that you have been so bent out of shape throughout these discussions is more of a mystery.
Bent out of shape? I've been the most whimsical and easy going about this whole thing more than anyone in this thread. What are you talking about?

While people seem to be getting angry and annoyed at the idea of this trade saying "I can't believe Kerr is this dumb!!!" etc... I knew from the moment this rumor popped up it had no chance of going down. I don't have any insider source or anything, I just used the facts, and used common sense, and people seem to get mad. :confusedshrug:

[niko]

Oh, exactly... that's why there's no need to gloat or say I told you so.

But I've noticed a trend in this topic especially of people quick to dispell the source of the OP even before the Amare tweet "just because Brian Windhorst said otherwise", as though he's some all inclusive iron clad source. That's why the only thing I want out of the outcome is for that nonsense to stop. I need you guys to admit that those clowns are biased, and unreliable.

it's not even bias, it's just home town perspective. someone whose career would be made 10 times better by the cavs getting a player and who cav fans love is going to be more optimistic about a trade occuring than someone who doesn't benefit. if people are going to trust their home town guys more, then you are always going to get a more optimistic view (unless you live in NY and the beat guys spent years with Isiah and Dolan and hate the Knicks with a passion, so it's the opposite).

For example, a disinterested viewpoint...

Aron (Jacksonville, FL)


Please enlighten me as to why the Suns would want to trade Amare for J.J. Hickson and cap relief. Hickson's production is nothing special, and Lebron makes him look better than he really is (which is true of everybody on the Cavs). Are the Suns this desperate? Surely not...

Chad Ford (1:07 PM)


I've been wondering the same thing. Especially since we know Miami is in the mix. The best the Cavs can offer right now is Hickson plus their first round pick (which should be about No. 29 or No. 30). The Heat can offer the same cap relief as the Cavs plus they have Michael Beasley and they have two mid first round picks. How is that not a better deal for Phoenix? Even if they don't want Beasley, two first round picks from Miami is a better deal than Hickson. That's why I'm skeptical Cleveland makes this happen unless Steve Kerr is more interested in just helping out a friend or he's still bitter about the whole Shaq deal two February's ago.

[Kingwillball]

it's not even bias, it's just home town perspective. someone whose career would be made 10 times better by the cavs getting a player and who cav fans love is going to be more optimistic about a trade occuring than someone who doesn't benefit. if people are going to trust their home town guys more, then you are always going to get a more optimistic view (unless you live in NY and the beat guys spent years with Isiah and Dolan and hate the Knicks with a passion, so it's the opposite).

For example, a disinterested viewpoint...

Aron (Jacksonville, FL)


Please enlighten me as to why the Suns would want to trade Amare for J.J. Hickson and cap relief. Hickson's production is nothing special, and Lebron makes him look better than he really is (which is true of everybody on the Cavs). Are the Suns this desperate? Surely not...

Chad Ford (1:07 PM)


I've been wondering the same thing. Especially since we know Miami is in the mix. The best the Cavs can offer right now is Hickson plus their first round pick (which should be about No. 29 or No. 30). The Heat can offer the same cap relief as the Cavs plus they have Michael Beasley and they have two mid first round picks. How is that not a better deal for Phoenix? Even if they don't want Beasley, two first round picks from Miami is a better deal than Hickson. That's why I'm skeptical Cleveland makes this happen unless Steve Kerr is more interested in just helping out a friend or he's still bitter about the whole Shaq deal two February's ago.


Chad Ford is a Jackarse..if Mia has the better deal for Phe they should pull trigger than..Should be interesting to see if Amare plays tonight for Suns..

[Kingwillball]

Oh, exactly... that's why there's no need to gloat or say I told you so.

But I've noticed a trend in this topic especially of people quick to dispell the source of the OP even before the Amare tweet "just because Brian Windhorst said otherwise", as though he's some all inclusive iron clad source. That's why the only thing I want out of the outcome is for that nonsense to stop. I need you guys to admit that those clowns are biased, and unreliable.


Bent out of shape? I've been the most whimsical and easy going about this whole thing more than anyone in this thread. What are you talking about?

While people seem to be getting angry and annoyed at the idea of this trade saying "I can't believe Kerr is this dumb!!!" etc... I knew from the moment this rumor popped up it had no chance of going down. I don't have any insider source or anything, I just used the facts, and used common sense, and people seem to get mad. :confusedshrug:

So U think Amare ends up in MIa and not Cleveland ?

[beasted86]

So U think Amare ends up in MIa and not Cleveland ?
And unsurprisingly, that's what every guy asks or says when I say it.

No, for maybe the 30th time I've posted this:
Nobody is getting Stoudemire for a scrub player + late first rounder. They are going to get legit talent one way or another, or just let him expire and try to re-sign him.

Since Miami is not offering Wade or Beasley, they likely will not get him. You don't trade an expirer for worse expirers and late first rounders. This is pretty much common sense but many people seem to let themselves be driven by the hype and become media puppets for bad rumors.

[Mikaiel]

I knew from the moment this rumor popped up it had no chance of going down. I don't have any insider source or anything, I just used the facts, and used common sense, and people seem to get mad. :confusedshrug:

Yeah I don't think it's a realistic trade either. But I also didn't think we could get Mo Williams for Joe Smith and Damon Jones. Or Shaq for Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavlovic.

[InspiredLebowski]

Can SOMETHING, anything, happen already so Indy can move on to other options?

[oh the horror]

Can SOMETHING, anything, happen already so Indy can move on to other options?



I just want something to happen for the sheer fact that im not very patient when it comes to all of this. Im DYING to know who is going to make the next move already.