Wizards trade Antawn Jamison Cavaliers in 3-team deal; Clippers involved

[R.H.C.P.]

The Washington Wizards have reached an agreement to trade team captain Antawn Jamison to the Cleveland Cavaliers for center Zydrunas Ilgauskas and a first-round pick as part of a three-team deal that also involves Washington sending newly acquired forward Drew Gooden to Los Angeles Clippers while (http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/landing_09/?blockID=181989&feedID=2992) also getting back Al Thorton and Brian Skinner, according to league sources with knowledge of the situation. CSN Washington (http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/landing_09/?blockID=181989&feedID=2992)

The Clippers also are sending Sebastian Telfair to the Cavaliers (http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/landing_09/?blockID=181989&feedID=2992). The move means the Wizards are parting ways with a player that had served as inspirational leader, team captain and one of their leading scorers for the last six seasons. CSN Washington (http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/landing_09/?blockID=181989&feedID=2992)

Read more: http://www.insidehoops.com/nba_rumors.shtml#ixzz0fqLfUGmd (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/../nba_rumors.shtml#ixzz0fqLfUGmd)

[D-Rose]

Twitter of Michael Lee, Wiz writer


Source told me that the Wizards are closing in on a 3-team trade that will send Antawn Jamison to CLE and Drew Gooden to a Western Conf team


Wizards are believed to be getting back Zydrunas Ilgauskas & a 1st round pick, according to the source.

[Undisputed]

Championship favorites. This is the Cavs year.

[1~Gibson~1]

:rockon:

hopefully that WCT is the Nuggz. my bro is a big fan of him and his team is my team :pimp:

[Undisputed]

Thank God people can stop talking about Lebron being a free agent. Knicks fans must be crushed right now. :oldlol:

This is a clear indication by the Cavs that they are willing to give him a team, he's staying in Cleveland if the deal goes through.

[Desperado]

Still won't beat the Lakers.

[scott0326]

Wizards are going to have worst starting 5 in NBA history. John Wall sweepstakes may be harder then the Nets thought!

[NY Comeback]

Thank God people can stop talking about Lebron being a free agent. Knicks fans must be crushed right now. :oldlol:
Yea we're all really kicking ourselves right now....what are we gonna do now?!?!


:rolleyes:

[Wreck Shop]

Still won't beat the Lakers.

you gotta figure this puts them in the finals with us though. the home court fight just got real

[MeLO MvP 15]

i would like gooden, but i would have preferred for him to be waived and then we sign him

[emsteez forreal]

Still won't beat the Lakers.

they did twice already. **** outta here.

[madmax]

Still won't beat the Lakers.
Cavs own the Fakers with Jamison or without him:rockon:

[RedBlackAttack]

If this is true, I'm absolutely shocked that we got Jamison for so little. I had my heart set on Amar'e, but I can't argue with getting Jamison for essentially a draft pick... Even over getting Amar'e for Hickson, Green and picks.

The question becomes will Z be bought out by Washington and return to Cleveland. If so... :pimp:

[veilside23]

if lebron still wont win ... he MUST leave CLEVELAND :D seriously ....

that team is an all star line up..
mo
bron
jamison
shaq... shaq is still better than most of the centers playing right now even though he is old...

[1~Gibson~1]

i guess either:

a) the Suns didnt like our offer or
b) we saw other teams improving so we decided to act pre-maturely
c) we grew tired of waiting for the Suns decision

[Kurosawa0]

Still won't beat the Lakers.

Way too confident.

[Lebron23]

Still won't beat the Lakers.


Let see about that.


LeBron is only 25 yrs.old, and he's playing the best basketball of his NBA career that's why the Cavaliers swept the Lakers in their regular season match up.

[niko]

Thank God people can stop talking about Lebron being a free agent. Knicks fans must be crushed right now. :oldlol:

This is a clear indication by the Cavs that they are willing to give him a team, he's staying in Cleveland if the deal goes through.
No, that was the Amare trade. This is a short term fix. I don't think it makes him any less likely to stay (of course tis good otherwise)

[RajonKGcelts]

Thank God people can stop talking about Lebron being a free agent. Knicks fans must be crushed right now. :oldlol:

This is a clear indication by the Cavs that they are willing to give him a team, he's staying in Cleveland if the deal goes through.

Thats all speculation on your part. It could be the Cavs are just desperate to show him they want to win by taking on Jamsions years knowing Lebrons future is undecided

[PleezeBelieve]

Ferry smokescreen us all. What a GM. Jamison for the 30th pick???

:oldlol:

[Kellogs4toniee]

So is this a sure thing now? Jamison is officially on the Cavs?

If so, damn that's a good team. Lakers vs. Cavs is going to be so exciting.

[John Dough]

Lebron's not staying in Cleveland. :oldlol:

I don't care if Jesus Christ himself decides to suit up for the Cavs.

[Desperado]

Let see about that.


LeBron is only 25 yrs.old, and he's playing the best basketball of his NBA career that's why the Cavaliers swept the Lakers in their regular season match up.


The Magic also swept the Lakers in the regular season last year and we seen how that helped them in the Finals. :pimp:

[Kurosawa0]

Ferry smokescreen us all. What a GM. Jamison for the 30th pick???

:oldlol:

Or are the Wiz that desperate? They basically gave away Butler and Jamison for cap relief and, at best, the 29th pick in the draft.

[chazzy]

http://twitter.com/PDcavsinsider/status/9257160074

Gonna wait til Windhorst confirms it

[nestea()]

i guess either:

a) the Suns didnt like our offer or
b) we saw other teams improving so we decided to act pre-maturely
c) we grew tired of waiting for the Suns decision

or D, when you have the chance to steal the best player on your rivals roster then you takes advantage of your opportunities.

[1~Gibson~1]

So is this a sure thing now? Jamison is officially on the Cavs?

If so, damn that's a good team. Lakers vs. Cavs is going to be so exciting.
of course, nothing is 100% done yet, but any and every true Cavs fan trusts BW's posts. He's 100% legit, no BS.

[oh the horror]

Honestly if you ask me, this trade fits the Cavs better than having Amare.


The only crappy thing is that Jamison is older...but eh....Like I said, it will probably work out more so for Cleveland with the current team they have in place.

[Undisputed]

Thats all speculation on your part. It could be the Cavs are just desperate to show him they want to win by taking on Jamsions years knowing Lebrons future is undecided

Of course it's speculation, but I'm pretty confident he's staying. Why wouldn't he? The Cavs have done everything in their power to put a team around him and they could possibily win a championship this year. You guys will see soon.

[D-Rose]

Woj's twitter




Cleveland has agreed in principle to deal for Washington's Antawn Jamison, two sources confirm to Y! Sports. Wash Post first reported it.

It's a done deal

[RedBlackAttack]

http://twitter.com/PDcavsinsider/status/9257160074

Gonna wait til Windhorst confirms it
Have to say... If reports are true and we are only giving up Z and a pick, I hope it is confirmed. As much as I wanted Amar'e, that is one hell of a deal.

[Ancient Legend]

The Cavaliers, Clippers and Wizards are in the midst of completing a three-way trade that sends Antawn Jamison and Sebastian Telfair to Cleveland; Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Al Thornton to Washington; and Drew Gooden to Los Angeles.

[Duncan21formvp]

Source (http://twitter.com/wojyahooNBA)

2007 Finals all over again with the same results.

[DuMa]

telfair!

[chazzy]

2007 Finals all over again with the same results.

Lakers weren't in the finals in 2007, if I remember correctly :D

[PleezeBelieve]

Woj's twitter



It's a done deal
Cave got Jamison for the 30th pick. :roll:

[D-Rose]

The Cavaliers, Clippers and Wizards are in the midst of completing a three-way trade that sends Antawn Jamison and Sebastian Telfair to Cleveland; Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Al Thornton to Washington; and Drew Gooden to Los Angeles.
where did you get this?

Woj;s twitter says


Cavs get Jamison and Telfair, Clippers get Drew Gooden and Wash gets Illgauskas, Al Thornton and Brian Skinner and Cavs 1st round pick.

[TruthKGRay3412]

Isnt Jamison 33 with a bad contract?

[scott0326]

The Cavaliers, Clippers and Wizards are in the midst of completing a three-way trade that sends Antawn Jamison and Sebastian Telfair to Cleveland; Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Al Thornton to Washington; and Drew Gooden to Los Angeles.
Where is this from?

[MeLO MvP 15]

i hope the clips buy out gooden

[1~Gibson~1]

Telfair too??? OMG, and to think i thought D.Ferry was among the worst of GMs a few years back (im not alone though) :oldlol:

[Ancient Legend]

Where is this from?

NYPost.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/cavaliers_trade_for_jamison_hlNp4gbzxDv0RfFUT2Y4fK #ixzz0fq7uoYMK

[pete's montreux]

Telfair? Shit is over, shut down the eastern conference and just play the finals right now.

[Kevin_Garnett_5]

:eek:

[Killbot]

The Cavaliers, Clippers and Wizards are in the midst of completing a three-way trade that sends Antawn Jamison and Sebastian Telfair to Cleveland; Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Al Thornton to Washington; and Drew Gooden to Los Angeles.

Cleveland only has to give up Zydrunas Ilgauskas for Antawn Jamison. Wow. What a one sided deal. :oldlol:

EDIT: Never mind. Didn't see D-Rose's post, but it is still a one sided deal. Antawn Jamison was basically gift wrapped for free.

[PleezeBelieve]

Oh sh*t, Cave got Telfair and Jamison for the 30th pick. :roll:

[NY Comeback]

Wait...Jamison AND Telfair for Z(Who will probably be bought out) and a lousy pick? Bullshit. I hope the league investigates. :rant

[scott0326]

Al Thornton? Ugh.

[Dave3]

Oh sh*t, Cave got Telfair and Jamison for the 30th pick. :roll:
What's the big deal about Telfair?

[BFRESH44]

Good trade for the Cavs.

Great NEWS for the Heat though. :pimp:

[Pharcyde]

Yea we're all really kicking ourselves right now....what are we gonna do now?!?!


:rolleyes:

I'm assuming you're all going to talk about how you saw Carmelo Anthony wearing a NY Yankees hat and he is inevitably going to come in 2011.

[oh the horror]

What's the big deal about Telfair?


From what I saw on the Clips, he seems fairly solid. Kind of makes bone headed plays at times, but he isnt bad.

[D-Rose]

Very good job by the Clippers also by sneaking in and dumping their two unfavorable contracts.

Cleveland are favs IMO...this will promt Boston especially to reconsider imo.

[PleezeBelieve]

Wait...Jamison AND Telfair for Z(Who will probably be bought out) and a lousy pick? Bullshit. I hope the league investigates. :rant
lol

[Dave3]

From what I saw on the Clips, he seems fairly solid. Kind of makes bone headed plays at times, but he isnt bad.
What is he though? Energy off the bench, defense, shooting, playmaking?

[hawksdogsbraves]

Oh shit Cleveland is the clear favorite now, will the Wizards buy out Z so he can return to the Cavs?

[NY Comeback]

I'm assuming you're all going to talk about how you saw Carmelo Anthony wearing a NY Yankees hat and he is inevitably going to come in 2011.
How original...

:sleeping

[Killbot]

Oh shit Cleveland is the clear favorite now, will the Wizards buy out Z so he can return to the Cavs?

Wizards will get even more ripped off. First round pick for Antawn Jamison? Really?

[KingJay718]

lmao telfair and lebron. 2slam mag cover! good deal though. damn al thronton and josh howard sharing minutes is comedy lmao

[scott0326]

I hate being a Wizards fan. Seriously Jamison for a first round pick and maybe Al Thornton?

[scott0326]

I hate being a Wizards fan. Seriously Jamison for a first round pick and maybe Al Thornton?

[Lebron23]

lmao telfair and lebron. 2slam mag cover! good deal though. damn al thronton and josh howard sharing minutes is comedy lmao

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dtRmeKHEn7E/SrI-1462M9I/AAAAAAAAAX8/2GqfeC0G0Yk/s400/TelfairLebron.jpg

[monkeypox]

Wow, Jamison for... cap space!?? Must be a fix right? No one trades a high level player for cap space unless there's a fix. Dirty Stern trying to fix the league for LeBron.

Wait... nevermind the Lakers aren't involved to it can't be a fix.

[monkeypox]

Man ISH is down to a crawl.

[R.H.C.P.]

The Wizards also get the rights to former Cavs pick, Emil Preldzic, a source said.

From Woj's Twitter: http://twitter.com/wojyahooNBA

[Al Thornton]

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

didnt even get a pick????????? or a player?????????

gotdamn motherf*cking dunleavy, just when we thought things were going well he does this

[TryToBeUnbias]

Jamison and telfair for cookies and Ice cream.

So im assuming Z gets bought out ?

Would be funny if he didn't tho.

[Mamba]

Jamison and telfair for cookies and Ice cream.

So im assuming Z gets bought out ?

Would be funny if he didn't tho.
he will he can turn around and say i don't want to play for ur team, they will have to buy him out, resigns with cavs for league vet contract

[kentatm]

and Gooden's tour of the NBA continues

[kurple]

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

didnt even get a pick????????? or a player?????????

gotdamn motherf*cking dunleavy, just when we thought things were going well he does this

Yeah, WTF his he doing?

Clippers would have been dangerous with Griffin back

[Al Thornton]

how is thornton's contract bad at all? and how could they not get anything for him?

and gooden is gonna get bought out

[Fatal9]

The tools are there now Lebron....

Shaq
Jamison
Lebron
Parker
Williams

Bench:
Hickson
West
Gibson
Telfair
Varejao
Z
Powe (coming back from injury)

WOW...deepest team in the league? Cavs-Lakers will be epic.

[OneMoreSucka]

Nike now killing themselves after making the commercial with Ilgauskas.

[OG LeeTSkeeT]

I thought the Wiz's hates the Cavs..but c'mon, no other team wanted to trade for Jamison? I'm pretty sure the Was coulda got a better deal..and also Z will prob be bought out and return to the Cavs.

SG-Anthony Parker/Danny Green
PG-Mo Williams/Daniel Gibson/Delonte West/Sebastian Telfair
SF-LeBron James/Jamario Moon
PF-Antwan Jamison/J.J. Hickson/Powe
C-Shaq/Varejao/(Possibly Z)

So if LeBron stays next year then that means hes willing to take a pay cut? :confusedshrug: :oldlol: :roll:

[Jasper]

It is official :

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4922833

[1~Gibson~1]

Wow.....we now have 6 guys that can play point guard :oldlol:


Mo
Telfair
Gibson
West
Parker
LeBron

[EllisGW]

why did the cavs give up on amare ?

[Kingwillball]

Jamison and telfair for cookies and Ice cream.

So im assuming Z gets bought out ?

Would be funny if he didn't tho.


LOL..true..so Cavs add a 20 ppg scorer for a bag of Peanuts and still get Z back...Ferry couldn't pass that up.

[bih]

why wizards why :wtf:

[DuMa]

does hickson still start?

[Kingwillball]

why did the cavs give up on amare ?


Because Kerr was playing Hardball and Wizards got desperate and gave them a player they liked almost as much for basically nothing.

[Diesel J]

Have to say... If reports are true and we are only giving up Z and a pick, I hope it is confirmed. As much as I wanted Amar'e, that is one hell of a deal.

I would rather have Amare over Jamison but I didn't really want the cavs to lose Hickson. I could settle for Jamison as long as the Cavs gets back Big Z though:applause:

[1~Gibson~1]

why did the cavs give up on amare ?
Kerr wouldnt give us a commitment. first he said Monday, then Tuesday, then Wednesday. It could also have something to do with other things that we dont know about.

[Andrei89]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dtRmeKHEn7E/SrI-1462M9I/AAAAAAAAAX8/2GqfeC0G0Yk/s400/TelfairLebron.jpg

Love it how lebron wore Adidas


Adidas ftw, nike= sh11t stuff but a lot of marketing which allows them to sell

[CLE[216]]

does hickson still start?

Uh...

No.

[1~Gibson~1]

does hickson still start?
maybe, maybe not. it depends on how good of a bench player JJ is. but either way Jamison will get the majority of the minutes and will close out games depending on whether we need defense (Varejao) or offense (Jamison).

[mlh1981]

So, are we for sure gonna get big Z back?

[Andrei89]

why did the cavs give up on amare ?

Amare goes to Miami man, no doubt about that. Question is if he goes now or in the summer when he is a free agent

[1~Gibson~1]

Telfair is still going to be out for another 1-3 weeks though

[Mamba]

if Z gets bought out, then its over, this team will be completely stacked, the second unit alone is fkn scary, telfair jawad williams jamario moon hickson and Z, very young team cept for Z. im just worried now that the cavs are too stacked, if anyone understands that.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Its official: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4922833

[Jasper]

I would rather have Amare over Jamison but I didn't really want the cavs to lose Hickson. I could settle for Jamison as long as the Cavs gets back Big Z though:applause:
2nd stringers :
Andy
JJ

probably 'Z' will return

this IMO is the strongest frontline now in the NBA.

[Al Thornton]

Telfair too???

:oldlol: you say that as if its a positive thing, i thought the same too at the start of the season, just wait, hes terrible

[1~Gibson~1]

So, are we for sure gonna get big Z back?
Dont know. Obviously the Wiz are trying to cut back on salary, but then again Z getting or demanding a buy-out is pretty much common sense to the Wizs GM. As we all know a buy-out cant be discussed as a part of the deal but i think one will happen. Z is destined to retire with the Cavs.

[redhonda76]

Wow! Cavs are a much better team now with Jamison and they didn't have to give up Hickson. I was hoping the Cavs get Amare so he can screw them over. With Jamison, he can fit into any team perfectly so he won't have any trouble fitting in the Cavs in the mid-season. And just as I thought Ferry was a retarded GM, he's looking like the executive of the year already.

[mlh1981]

Dont know. Obviously the Wiz are trying to cut back on salary, but then again Z getting or demanding a buy-out is pretty much common sense to the Wizs GM. As we all know a buy-out cant be discussed as a part of the deal but i think one will happen. Z is destined to retire with the Cavs.


That's what I kinda figured. I've been a bit out of the loop today.

[SAKOTXA]

So the Cavs got Jamison for nothing... This is worse than the Gasol trade, if Z goes back to Cleveland in 30 days.

The good thing is that Lebron fans can stop whining about him not having a great supporting cast.

PG: Mo Williams, Gibson, West, Telfair
SG: Parker, West, Gibson, Jawad Williams
SF: Lebron, Moon, Jawad Williams, Anthony Parker
PF: Jamison, Hickson, Verejao, Powe
C: Shaq, Z (If he buys out), Verejao, Powe

No excuses, if Lebron doesn't win the title this year.

[Lebron23]

Cavaliers are going to kick some @$$.

Danny Ferry for GM of the Year.

[Mikaiel]

So, are we for sure gonna get big Z back?

I think I've heard Z's agent made it pretty clear he won't play for another team.

[Al Thornton]

ahhh, so the clippers now have cap space to sign max contract in the offseason, uggh

[1~Gibson~1]

:oldlol: you say that as if its a positive thing, i thought the same too at the start of the season, just wait, hes terriblewell, it's not like we're giving up anything extra. #30 pick for Jamison is already rape, then outta nowhere Telfair gets thrown in there.

2nd stringers :
Andy
JJ

probably 'Z' will return

this IMO is the strongest frontline now in the NBA.
our bench consists of (if Z returns) Z, Varejao, Powe, Hickson

those are 4 quality bigs OFF THE BENCH. we als have Shaq and Jamison starting. IMO we have the best frontcourt in the NBA along with LeBron, Moon, and Jawad. Yes, even Jawad contributes.

[kentatm]

WTF is all this crap about Telfair being actually worth a damn?

he has done nothing but put up mediocre to average stats on bad teams.

dude is a 39% lifetime shooter

[kentatm]

well, it's not like we're giving up anything extra. #30 pick for Jamison is already rape, then outta nowhere Telfair gets thrown in there.

our bench consists of (if Z returns) Z, Varejao, Powe, Hickson

those are 4 quality bigs OFF THE BENCH. we als have Shaq and Jamison starting. IMO we have the best frontcourt in the NBA along with LeBron, Moon, and Jawad. Yes, even Jawad contributes.


Umm.. You also now have a horrid defensive combo at C and PF.

[Dave3]

No excuses, if Lebron doesn't win the title this year.
Games aren't won on paper. If the players don't mesh, if people go cold in the playoffs, of key players (Shaq) get injured, they won't win. If everything goes well and LeBron can't deliver, then there's no excuses.

[Mamba]

this is seriously the third time ferry has done a highway robbery.

damon jones + joe smith for mo williams, joe smith comes back to cavs later that season

pavlovic and wallace for shaq, pavlovic i think is out of the league and wallace is playing for detroit instead of the suns

Z + a pick for Jamison and telfair.

best thing is i think Z can cry retirement and get signed with the cavs if the wizards don't want to buy him out.

[Kingwillball]

if Z gets bought out, then its over, this team will be completely stacked, the second unit alone is fkn scary, telfair jawad williams jamario moon hickson and Z, very young team cept for Z. im just worried now that the cavs are too stacked, if anyone understands that.


Ummm U forgot Andy and West..In theory Second team would be Telfair,West,Moon,Hickson,Andy 3rd team Consists of Boobie,Jawad,Powe and Z..Wow most stacked team in the league.

[DonDadda59]

The Cavs made off like bandits :oldlol:

Congrats to Lebron on MVP (and scoring title?) # 2, and championship (and finals MVP) #1 :applause:

[Diesel J]

So the Cavs got Jamison for nothing... This is worse than the Gasol trade, if Z goes back to Cleveland in 30 days.

The good thing is that Lebron fans can stop whining about him not having a great supporting cast.

PG: Mo Williams, Gibson, West, Telfair
SG: Parker, West, Gibson, Jawad Williams
SF: Lebron, Jawad Williams, Anthony Parker
PF: Jamison, Hickson, Verejao, Powe
C: Shaq, Z (If he buys out), Verejao, Powe

No excuses, if Lebron doesn't win the title this year.

I still think the Cavs needed a true 2nd scorer that could take over games like Amare. Jamison IMO is not one of those players but I can't complain because the cavs basically got him for nothing while still keeping Hickson. If the cavs got Amare it would have been tough to lose a young talent like Hickson.

[1~Gibson~1]

Umm.. You also now have a horrid defensive combo at C and PF.
Shaq and Jamison isnt horrid. Jamison wont be playing 48 minutes fyi. If Jamison gets beat, he'll see the bench. We have plenty of bigs.

But im sure Brown can teach him. He taught JJ Hickson, LeBron James, Wally Szczerbiak, Mo Williams, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, and Anderson Varejao into solid/good defenders from what i remember.

[Mikaiel]

Chad Ford :


What if Danny Ferry just made the deal that gives the Clipps enough room to steal LeBron?

:violin: :violin: :violin:

[Mamba]

im sorry to say this but if lebron is signing with anyone its miami, other then that the clippers have no chance.

[catch24]

The Cavs made off like bandits :oldlol:

Congrats to Lebron on MVP (and scoring title?) # 2, and championship (and finals MVP) #1 :applause:

We'll see what happens in June my friend.

:pimp:

[SAKOTXA]

The Cavs made off like bandits :oldlol:

Congrats to Lebron on MVP (and scoring title?) # 2, and championship (and finals MVP) #1 :applause:

A little too early don't you think?

[redhonda76]

The Celtic, Magic and the Hawk fans are probably crying foul about this.. They are absolutely not happy about this trade if I were them.

[knickballer]

Lebron will have to get more minutes at the 2 now in order to get Hickson some more minutes(Jamison slides to 3)

Mo
LBJ
Jamison
Hickson
Shaq

[BallPhunk]

Kerr wouldnt give us a commitment. first he said Monday, then Tuesday, then Wednesday. It could also have something to do with other things that we dont know about.

Looks like Kerr sucks when he's trying to make the team good OR when trying t make the team bad.

:applause:

[Kingwillball]

So the Cavs got Jamison for nothing... This is worse than the Gasol trade, if Z goes back to Cleveland in 30 days.

The good thing is that Lebron fans can stop whining about him not having a great supporting cast.

PG: Mo Williams, Gibson, West, Telfair
SG: Parker, West, Gibson, Jawad Williams
SF: Lebron, Jawad Williams, Anthony Parker
PF: Jamison, Hickson, Verejao, Powe
C: Shaq, Z (If he buys out), Verejao, Powe

No excuses, if Lebron doesn't win the title this year.


Couple Tweeks You Forgot Moon at SF and Andy is the Backup 5 now..

[Mamba]

Lebron will have to get more minutes at the 2 now in order to get Hickson some more minutes(Jamison slides to 3)

Mo
LBJ
Jamison
Hickson
Shaq
i honestly think the best idea right now is to pair off some players and trade them away.

e.g. anthony parker, danny green and daniel gibson for maggette just because we have way too many players now.

[1~Gibson~1]

Windy:
I'll be on Mike Brown Show on Cavs Radio Network (WTAM 1100 AM in CLE) in five minutes to discuss trade

any links?

[SAKOTXA]

Couple Tweeks You Forgot Moon at SF and Andy is the Backup 5 now..

Oh yea, i knew i was forgetting somebody...

[ihatetimthomas]

This is better than Amare imo, other than the horrendous contract that comes along with Jamison. Jamison is a true professional. He will never complain and only do what is asked of him. He is going to spread the floor and going to open up the paint for Shaq and Lebron to operate. Great leader, and great character. This will help Shaq more than Amare would have.

So who is in the doghouse? Jamison is going to eat up a lot of minutes. I the guy who has been touted as something special (Hickson) is going to get his minutes cut

[kentatm]

Shaq and Jamison isnt horrid. Jamison wont be playing 48 minutes fyi. If Jamison gets beat, he'll see the bench. We have plenty of bigs.

But im sure Brown can teach him. He taught JJ Hickson, LeBron James, Wally Szczerbiak, Mo Williams, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, and Anderson Varejao into solid/good defenders from what i remember.

yes it is. dont kid yourself.


Jamison is so bad at D that even NELLIE would only play him as a 6th man in Dallas. This is when Nellie was running Antoine Walker as a center. THATS how bad he is defensively.

[Mamba]

yes it is. dont kid yourself.


Jamison is so bad at D that even NELLIE would only play him as a 6th man in Dallas. This is when Nellie was running Antoine Walker as a center. THATS how bad he is defensively.
ok so we bench him until he learns defense, im sorry but i didn't wna **** our lineup to begin with and everything was fine with hickson shaq lebron parker and boobie, antawn can sit down if he doesn't want to play D.

[SAKOTXA]

i honestly think the best idea right now is to pair off some players and trade them away.

e.g. anthony parker, danny green and daniel gibson for maggette just because we have way too many players now.

Aren't you a Laker fan?

[Mamba]

Aren't you a Laker fan?
no i'm a cavs fan, been one for a few years now, just chose this nick because lebron23 was already taken

[v3DreJ80]

Excellent move though I hate Sebastian Telfair so I hope he gets cut right away. Magic won't be able to get away with fronting and doubling Shaq anymore otherwise Jamison will punish them with his Jump shot. Cavs look really ****ing good right now, I'm not a fan of Jamison's total game but his offensive game is more than above average. Not a fan of his reboudning or defense. The floor will be more spread for The King now.

[kells333]

Chad Ford :

"What if Danny Ferry just made the deal that gives the Clipps enough room to steal LeBron?"




Irony to the 10th power.... i would lol. Im pretty sure Lebron would become the most hated person in sports history if he did this.

[SAKOTXA]

no i'm a cavs fan, been one for a few years now, just chose this nick because lebron23 was already taken

I see, so you're just a Kobe fan...

[HeyMarkus]

lebron would never sign with LA and play with that crazy person running the team, sorrrry.

and honestly i find it more likely that CLE would sign Wade than MIA signing bron.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

how long is jamison signed for?

[kentatm]

ok so we bench him until he learns defense, im sorry but i didn't wna **** our lineup to begin with and everything was fine with hickson shaq lebron parker and boobie, antawn can sit down if he doesn't want to play D.


he has been in the L for what, 12 or 13 years now? He isn't going to suddenly start learning.

[1~Gibson~1]

how long is jamison signed for?
3 more years

[chazzy]

Pau and Jamison are gonna score on each other at will :oldlol: But damn this is an amazing deal, I think everyone was expecting Amare so this isn't as big of a deal as it should be..

MAJOR props to Ferry for addressing their major concerns after last season:

Post defender for guys like Dwight
Stretch 4 for spacing and defending guys like Rashard and Odom
More length on the perimeter with Parker/Moon

:applause:

[Mamba]

he has been in the L for what, 12 or 13 years now? He isn't going to suddenly start learning.
shaq learnt how to not be the man once he got to the cavs, i think he can learn how to play team defense.


I see, so you're just a Kobe fan...

i was until the lakers won it last season, every kobe stan just rubbed it in everyones faces and i hated it, especially putting lebron and the cavs down, seriously wat the fk did the cavs do wrong last season lol.

[Kingwillball]

Cavs officially the team to beat in the East and Maybe the NBA. They are sooo deep wonder who will be losing out on minutes ?

[SAKOTXA]

shaq learnt how to not be the man once he got to the cavs, i think he can learn how to play team defense.



i was until the lakers won it last season, every kobe stan just rubbed it in everyones faces and i hated it, especially putting lebron and the cavs down, seriously wat the fk did the cavs do wrong last season lol.

Lol that doesn't make sense, but ok.

[1~Gibson~1]

Cavs officially the team to beat in the East and Maybe the NBA. They are sooo deep wonder who will be losing out on minutes ?
we have no idea. whoever is hot is gonna get pt i guess :oldlol:

Guards - Mo, Gibson, West, Telfair, Parker, West, Moon (im counting him because it's not like he and LeBron split time 24/24. he plays SG sometimes too)
Bigs (assuming Z comes back) - Shaq, Z, Varejao, JJ , Antawn, Powe

that's alot of depth

[ihatetimthomas]

Pau and Jamison are gonna score on each other at will :oldlol: But damn this is an amazing deal, I think everyone was expecting Amare so this isn't as big of a deal as it should be..


I expect LO to defend Jamison bc he is better defending on the perimeter and has great length

[itsGameTime]

Cavs got a steal here. The only good thing that comes out of this trade for fans of contending teams is that Jamison isn't that great of a shooter (39% from midrange last season and 41.5% this season) and he's 33 with 2 years after this season remaining on his contract. IMO, Cavs much less scarier than if they had a younger Amare.

[kentatm]

shaq learnt how to not be the man once he got to the cavs, i think he can learn how to play team defense.



i was until the lakers won it last season, every kobe stan just rubbed it in everyones faces and i hated it, especially putting lebron and the cavs down, seriously wat the fk did the cavs do wrong last season lol.

:oldlol:

Shaq hasn't had the ability to be THE MAN for years now. His brain would have to be the size of a pea to try and take over the Cavs with LeBron there. Shaq had already toned down his "this is m team crap" in Miami. he did NOT learn that by being on the Cavs. Regardless, that has NOTHING to do with actually learning how to play defense.

MAYBE if Jamison had an entire preseason to learn the rotations and the regular season to get used to what everyone else does, MAYBE then he wouldn't be as bad (ie, moves up to mediocre from pathetic). But with 30 or so games to go with a history of being one of if not the worst starting PF at D in the L for years now? Sorry. Its just not going to happen.

The Cavs should have better offense now but their D WILL take a hit with Jamison on the floor. It will especially be noticeable when he plays alongside Shaq.

[Mamba]

I expect LO to defend Jamison bc he is better defending on the perimeter and has great length
so u have LO defending jamison, shaq defending pau who's left to guard lebron? kobe...lol.

[DirtBag]

so u have LO defending jamison, shaq defending pau who's left to guard lebron? kobe...lol.

Ron Ron?

[1~Gibson~1]

so u have LO defending jamison, shaq defending pau who's left to guard lebron? kobe...lol.
Artest/Kobe/Luke

[HeyMarkus]

:oldlol:

Shaq hasn't had the ability to be THE MAN for years now. His brain would have to be the size of a pea to try and take over the Cavs with LeBron there. Regardless, that has NOTHING to do with actually learning how to play defense.

MAYBE if Jamison had an entire preseason to learn the rotations and the regular season to get used to what everyone else does, MAYBE then he wouldn't be as bad (ie, moves up to mediocre from pathetic). But with 30 or so games to go with a history of being one of if not the worst starting PF at D in the L for years now? Sorry. Its just not going to happen.

The Cavs should have better offense now but their D WILL take a hit with Jamison on the floor. It will especially be noticeable when he plays alongside Shaq.


the hate is strong in this one

[Dave3]

so u have LO defending jamison, shaq defending pau who's left to guard lebron? kobe...lol.
Artest? The guy who was brought in for that job...

[The_Yearning]

so u have LO defending jamison, shaq defending pau who's left to guard lebron? kobe...lol.

Did you forget Artest? Don't start sucking that Cleveland pipe yet, the Lakers are still the team to beat.

[HeyMarkus]

Did you forget Artest? Don't start sucking that Cleveland pipe yet, the Lakers are still the team to beat.


even after being beaten twice?:no:

the cavs have been the team to beat all season

[Mamba]

Artest? The guy who was brought in for that job...
lebon abused artest twice this season. im not saying in a 7 game series he wouldn't be able to lock down lebron but artest will get tired alot older then lebron.

[kentatm]

the hate is strong in this one


dude its not hate, Jamison just flat out sucks at D. He won't magically get better just b/c he is on the Cavs

[1~Gibson~1]

Did you forget Artest? Don't start sucking that Cleveland pipe yet, the Lakers are still the team to beat.
i never bought into that "we won the championship" shit. this is a new year and teams have new players. therefore last year doesnt apply into this year.

congrats on last year though, im not trying to take anything away from that.

[itsGameTime]

lebon abused artest twice this season. im not saying in a 7 game series he wouldn't be able to lock down lebron but artest will get tired alot older then lebron.


O' rly? My stats say otherwise.

[v3DreJ80]

dude its not hate, Jamison just flat out sucks at D. He won't magically get better just b/c he is on the Cavs
Actually, I think they'll be able to mask it a lot better with Shaq in the middle defending the paint. Unless Jamison is one of those garbage defenders that don't even bother contesting shots. I think he's a garbage defender, but I think it can be masked better on the Cavs. What is your take on all this? Cavs team to beat in the EAST?

[Kingwillball]

Did you forget Artest? Don't start sucking that Cleveland pipe yet, the Lakers are still the team to beat.


Dont Think so Cavs are So Deep..They will come at teams in Waves and of Course the Best player in the World LBJ...Jamison can score from Inside out and Cavs will be almost impossible to defend with LBJ Orchestrating..

[chazzy]

I expect the Lakers to run more Bynum/Odom and Pau/Odom against the Cavs now, unless they want to take advantage of their size with Pau at the 4. Wizards are like those guys in fantasy who give up and trade all their good players away near the end of the season for nothing :oldlol: First Caron and Haywood for crap, and now Jamison for crap

[HeyMarkus]

Well jamison is a better defender than Stoudemire in my book.

[kentatm]

Actually, I think they'll be able to mask it a lot better with Shaq in the middle defending the paint. Unless Jamison is one of those garbage defenders that don't even bother contesting shots. I think he's a garbage defender, but I think it can be masked better on the Cavs. What is your take on all this? Cavs team to beat in the EAST?


It wasn't masked when he was alongside Brenden Heywood who is infinitely better at defense than Shaq these days.

I already thought the Cavs were the team to beat b/c Orlando went and screwed up their chemistry.

[itsGameTime]

I expect the Lakers to run more Bynum/Odom and Pau/Odom against the Cavs now, unless they want to take advantage of their size with Pau at the 4. Wizards are like those guys in fantasy who give up and trade all their good players away near the end of the season for nothing :oldlol: First Caron and Haywood for crap, and now Jamison for crap

At least the Wizards got Josh Howard in return for Caron. Cleveland pretty much didn't give up anything for Jamison.

[Bodhi]

so u have LO defending jamison, shaq defending pau who's left to guard lebron? kobe...lol.

Kobe actually did a great job last year on him. But still one of the main reasons we brought Artest in was so that Kobe didn't have to guard 3s that Ariza couldn't handle.

[Al Thornton]

Chad Ford :



:violin: :violin: :violin:

yeah, pretty sure he isnt worried about that

[HeyMarkus]

besides, cleveland is the best defensive team in the league, its not like were desperate for defense. how anyone can try to make this trade into a negative boggles my mind, and thats why i called hate.

[v3DreJ80]

It wasn't masked when he was alongside Brenden Heywood who is infinitely better at defense than Shaq these days.

I already thought the Cavs were the team to beat b/c Orlando went and screwed up their chemistry.
Shaq is the better helpside/weakside defender while Haywood is the better individual defender. But I do agree with you, I thought the Cavs could take out Orlando when they decided to roll with Carter instead of Turkoglu. Also, Shaq is still capable of containing Dwight Howard at this age.

[lpublic_enemyl]

Thank God people can stop talking about Lebron being a free agent. Knicks fans must be crushed right now. :oldlol:

This is a clear indication by the Cavs that they are willing to give him a team, he's staying in Cleveland if the deal goes through.
lol nice team, cavs looking pretty scary:ohwell:

[kentatm]

besides, cleveland is the best defensive team in the league, its not like were desperate for defense. how anyone can try to make this trade into a negative boggles my mind, and thats why i called hate.


umm... did I try and make it a negative?

all I said was this makes them worse defensively, Jamison next to Shaq is a terrible defensive combo and Jamison won't suddenly be good at D just b/c he is on the Cavs.

I also said it makes them better on offense.

You need to learn to process what you have read brah.


Shaq is the better helpside/weakside defender while Haywood is the better individual defender. But I do agree with you, I thought the Cavs could take out Orlando when they decided to roll with Carter instead of Turkoglu. Also, Shaq is still capable of containing Dwight Howard at this age.


ehh, I would argue that but we pretty much agree that the Cavs are favs to win the East anyway so thats not really worth argument.

[BallPhunk]

At least the Wizards got Josh Howard in return for Caron. Cleveland pretty much didn't give up anything for Jamison.

Yep.

Cleveland beat LA twice, and just added a former All Star. People can shuffle around names & matchups on a piece of paper all they want, but Cleveland is clearly the best team right now.

LA can certainly come together and beat them (if the rest of the team keeps playing like they are now and Kobe fits in), but it will be a dog fight at most.

Hopefully Kobe and LBJ will both be healthy, and we may just get an epic Finals that answers a lot of questions.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/writers/steve_aschburner/04/02/kobe.lebron/lebron-kobe.jpg

[Dave3]

besides, cleveland is the best defensive team in the league, its not like were desperate for defense. how anyone can try to make this trade into a negative boggles my mind, and thats why i called hate.
Actually, believe it or not, the Cavs this year have a better offensive rating (2nd in the league I think) compared to defensive rating, which is 5th or something. I do think this will change in the playoffs though, which this trade is for, so it makes sense.

[EllisGW]

does jj still stay in the starting lineup

[kentatm]

Yep.

Cleveland beat LA twice, and just added a former All Star. People can shuffle around names & matchups on a piece of paper all they want, but Cleveland is clearly the best team right now.

LA can certainly come together and beat them (if the rest of the team keeps playing like they are now and Kobe fits in), but it will be a dog fight at most.

Hopefully Kobe and LBJ will both be healthy, and we may just get an epic Finals that answers a lot of questions.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/writers/steve_aschburner/04/02/kobe.lebron/lebron-kobe.jpg


sorry but if the "They beat them in the regular season thus are better and will beat them again" was a legit theory, Dallas would have beat Miami. THey had won like 8 straight against Miami going into that series.

[v3DreJ80]

umm... did I try and make it a negative?

all I said was this makes them worse defensively, Jamison next to Shaq is a terrible defensive combo and Jamison won't suddenly be good at D just b/c he is on the Cavs.

I also said it makes them better on offense.

You need to learn to process what you have read brah.




ehh, I would argue that but we pretty much agree that the Cavs are favs to win the East anyway so thats not really worth argument.
Argue that Hay is a better defender than Shaq? Or what?

[kentatm]

Argue that Hay is a better defender than Shaq? Or what?

argue that he is better at weakside than Shaq in the last several years.

I rarely see Shaq try anymore which knocks him down in my eyes (and he really hasn't put in full effort on D since he was in LA)

[1~Gibson~1]

does jj still stay in the starting lineup
dont know. Mike will probably test it out and see what up but i think Jamison starts so Varejao can be sixth man. Brown has some minute cutting to do :lol

[Dave3]

Anyone know when Jamison will be first available to play with the Cavs? Obviously not tomorrow right?

[HeyMarkus]

id say prolly not tomorrow but it could happen.

[YAWN]

im big on jamison but i don't think this is the move that the cavs should have made. amare would of scared me more as a laker fan.

so if lebron doesn't win the title this year he is still bolting for nyc right?

[HeyMarkus]

why do people think lebron would leave? you all realize this has always been rumor right? theres no reason to believe he'd leave at all..especially after the way the city/front office has treated him.

[v3DreJ80]

argue that he is better at weakside than Shaq in the last several years.

I rarely see Shaq try anymore which knocks him down in my eyes (and he really hasn't put in full effort on D since he was in LA)
The only thing I'll say here is that Shaq is probably challenged the least at the rim of all-time, Yes even more than our shotblock and reigning Defensive player of the year Dwight Howard. Shaq's intimidation is clearly #1 in this league and it still is.

[kentatm]

The only thing I'll say here is that Shaq is probably challenged the least at the rim of all-time, Yes even more than our shotblock and reigning Defensive player of the year Dwight Howard. Shaq's intimidation is clearly #1 in this league and it still is.


yea but that was years ago. I really don't think he gets that respect anymore.

[1~Gibson~1]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/02/jamison_leaves_the_building.html

vid of Jamison leaving upon news of trade

Seems like a cool dude. Im sure he'll fit in with the laid back players like Mo, Gibson, Z, Shaq, LeBron, and West.

that reporter better move before she gets ran over :lol

[dyna]

I thought the Wiz's hates the Cavs..but c'mon, no other team wanted to trade for Jamison? I'm pretty sure the Was coulda got a better deal..and also Z will prob be bought out and return to the Cavs.

SG-Anthony Parker/Danny Green
PG-Mo Williams/Daniel Gibson/Delonte West/Sebastian Telfair
SF-LeBron James/Jawad Williams/Jamario Moon
PF-Antwan Jamison/J.J. Hickson/Powe
C-Shaq/Varejao/(Possibly Z)

So if LeBron stays next year then that means hes willing to take a pay cut? :confusedshrug: :oldlol: :roll:

Jawad Williams is playing great behind Lebron
:rockon:

[Paintballer8791]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dtRmeKHEn7E/SrI-1462M9I/AAAAAAAAAX8/2GqfeC0G0Yk/s400/TelfairLebron.jpg
haha that must be the official magazine cover for this trade, alot of people think lebron and telfair are going to rule the world now lol, and drew gooden's name is on the cover too


Nike now killing themselves after making the commercial with Ilgauskas.
i didn't see it what was it about?

[kentatm]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/02/jamison_leaves_the_building.html

vid of Jamison leaving upon news of trade

Seems like a cool dude. Im sure he'll fit in with the laid back players like Mo, Gibson, Z, Shaq, LeBron, and West.

that reporter better move before she gets ran over :lol


he is for sure a cool guy and a team player. He HATED being a 6th man in Dallas but never cried in the media during the year about it. Props for that. No AI "I'm a starter" BS from him.

[BigTicket]

Gotta say I like this trade, Cavs gave up almost nothing, and got a 20ppg scorer in return.

As far as Telfair goes I hope we waive his scrub ass.

[HylianNightmare]

Who gives a **** about jamison.

You guys just got Telfair there is finally someone on the cavs I like

[BallPhunk]

sorry but if the "They beat them in the regular season thus are better and will beat them again" was a legit theory, Dallas would have beat Miami. THey had won like 8 straight against Miami going into that series.

Pulling some meaningless past between Miami and Dallas is just that, meaningless. There is a difference between the 2 LA vs Cleveland games and other lower level teams. They were clearly measuring stick games.

But I didn't say "they are better and will beat them again". I said:

Cleveland beat LA twice, and just added a former All Star. People can shuffle around names & matchups on a piece of paper all they want, but Cleveland is clearly the best team right now.

LA can certainly come together and beat them (if the rest of the team keeps playing like they are now and Kobe fits in), but it will be a dog fight at most.

[LA_Showtime]

Damn! This is a hell of a trade for Cleveland. They get a perennial all-star for basically nothing. Still, the only teams who I could see beating Cleveland can still beat Cleveland on any given night. This hardly makes them invincible.

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

wow, big time trade for the Cleveland. Give up a washed up big z and a low first round pick for Jamison? steal

[Paintballer8791]

So the Cavs got Jamison for nothing... This is worse than the Gasol trade, if Z goes back to Cleveland in 30 days.

The good thing is that Lebron fans can stop whining about him not having a great supporting cast.

PG: Mo Williams, Gibson, West, Telfair
SG: Parker, West, Gibson, Jawad Williams
SF: Lebron, Moon, Jawad Williams, Anthony Parker
PF: Jamison, Hickson, Verejao, Powe
C: Shaq, Z (If he buys out), Verejao, Powe

No excuses, if Lebron doesn't win the title this year.
I don't understand why people think the pau trade was so one-sided, the grizzlies got marc gasol out of that trade and he is a pretty damn good player yall make it seem like they got nothing out of that trade

[kentatm]

Pulling some meaningless past between Miami and Dallas is just that, meaningless. There is a difference between the 2 LA vs Cleveland games and other lower level teams. They were clearly measuring stick games.

But I didn't say "they are better and will beat them again". I said:

Cleveland beat LA twice, and just added a former All Star. People can shuffle around names & matchups on a piece of paper all they want, but Cleveland is clearly the best team right now.

LA can certainly come together and beat them (if the rest of the team keeps playing like they are now and Kobe fits in), but it will be a dog fight at most.

No it isnt. It is a verifiable situation that shows beating somebody in the regular season means jack squat once you hit them in the playoffs.

[godofgods]

Gotta say I like this trade, Cavs gave up almost nothing, and got a 20ppg scorer in return.

As far as Telfair goes I hope we waive his scrub ass.

Gave up almost nothing? They gave up Z!

Z is a much better center for Cavs compared to Shaq.

[godofgods]

I don't understand why people think the pau trade was so one-sided, the grizzlies got marc gasol out of that trade and he is a pretty damn good player yall make it seem like they got nothing out of that trade

LOL WUT? You faker fans are funny.
That was like justifying a genocide.

[DonDadda59]

http://www.slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/slam-62.jpg

Say Word :pimp:

[ramoLBCA]

Good trade for Cleveland.

Orlando beat LA twice last season, remember the result? Lakers are still defending champions, and there is a LOT of basketball to be played before June.

[LA_Showtime]

Where is Antawn Jamison going to play? Is he going to come off the bench or play at the 4? Either way, he's going to be in the game during crunch time. Does that mean he's supposed to guard Gasol/Odom/Garnett/Duncan's of the world?:D It's still a great trade, but where does he fit. Andy V will obviously be in the game, but if Jamison/LeBron are in the game together the other team will have an advantage. They'll be able to overpower the Cavs downlow and chances are the Cavs rebounding will slip.

[BigTicket]

Gave up almost nothing? They gave up Z!

Z is a much better center for Cavs compared to Shaq.

No he isn't, have you even watched him play lately ?

[1~Gibson~1]

Where is Antawn Jamison going to play? Is he going to come off the bench or play at the 4? Either way, he's going to be in the game during crunch time. Does that mean he's supposed to guard Gasol/Odom/Garnett/Duncan's of the world?:D It's still a great trade, but where does he fit. Andy V will obviously be in the game, but if Jamison/LeBron are in the game together the other team will have an advantage. They'll be able to overpower the Cavs downlow and chances are the Cavs rebounding will slip.
if we need offense i expect Jamison to be in, if Defense then i think Varejao will be playing.

[LA_Showtime]

if we need offense i expect Jamison to be in, if Defense then i think Varejao will be playing.

That's interesting. While he gives Cleveland another offensive threat, he's going to be a liability on defense. He's like a more talented version of Rashard Lewis in the sense that he's going to spread the floor and play solid defense but ultimately give up height. I don't think this helps the Cavaliers nearly as much as Stoudemire would have. The Lakers/Spurs/Celtics will have a monster advantage down low. They do match up better with the Magic though.

[Bodin]

Games aren't won on paper. If the players don't mesh, if people go cold in the playoffs, of key players (Shaq) get injured, they won't win. If everything goes well and LeBron can't deliver, then there's no excuses.

lol the excuses already start
dude, being a LeBron fan, if he doesn't win this year there is going to be hate... get ready for it

[Tuvi]

It will be intresting to see how he meshes with the team, the cleveland cavaliers are the front-runners to the nba championship.

[dyna]

Your guys think that the Cavs should trade Hickson and maybe Moon for a Richard Hamilton, Ray Allen, Corey Marggete or Kevin Martin type of player??

:confusedshrug:

[Bodin]

It will be intresting to see how he meshes with the team, the cleveland cavaliers are the front-runners to the nba championship.

I agree. This puts them over the top in the east. Jamison will fit in on defenes and Brown will make sure of that. This should make for quite an interesting finals.

[artex]

Cavs own the Fakers with Jamison or without him:rockon:

anyone who refers to the Lakers as the Fakers needs to really grow the **** up

[RedBlackAttack]

Your guys think that the Cavs should trade Hickson and maybe Moon for a Richard Hamilton, Ray Allen, Corey Marggete or Kevin Martin type of player??

:confusedshrug:
No way. The team is poised for a title run the way it is currently constructed. We got Jamison without taking out key cogs that might kill the chemistry. There is no way that we go out of our way to do it for a player like Hamilton or Maggette. Ray Allen isn't an option.

We have Wally to use as trade bait if something interesting comes along, but outside of that, don't mess with a good thing.

[Dave3]

lol the excuses already start
dude, being a LeBron fan, if he doesn't win this year there is going to be hate... get ready for it
I'm aware there's going to be hate. But to say barring a specific outcome, if anything else in the world happens that there are no excuses is stupid. There'll be hate, it just won't be logical (unless LeBron actually plays bad).

[sixer6ad]

Your guys think that the Cavs should trade Hickson and maybe Moon for a Richard Hamilton, Ray Allen, Corey Marggete or Kevin Martin type of player??

:confusedshrug:

WKRN in Cleveland just reported that Ferry is not done.

[1~Gibson~1]

WKRN in Cleveland just reported that Ferry is not done.
im not suprised

imo Cleveland isnt Telfair's final destination in the 2009-2010 season + Wally

[Paintballer8791]

Shaq is the better helpside/weakside defender while Haywood is the better individual defender. But I do agree with you, I thought the Cavs could take out Orlando when they decided to roll with Carter instead of Turkoglu. Also, Shaq is still capable of containing Dwight Howard at this age.
I don't know where you get that but nobody really contains dwight howard they just delay him somewhat and if i was thinking of people who have a chance at containing i don't think shaq would come up in my thoughts anymore he is not even close to the same shaq as 5-15 years ago

[Kingwillball]

Corry Maggette next ?

[1~Gibson~1]

Corry Maggette next ?
hopefully. if we can get him with only Telfair and Wally then i'd do it. otherwise we should stand pat.

[The Big Skinny]

LOL @ the Wizards scrappy @ss line-up

Cleveland's 1st round pick is almost worth nothing...woulda rather had Hickson.

Al Thornton was a good addition. He can be part of the rotation down low.

Hopefully we can get a solid guard to lead this scraptacular lineup.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Lebron just got EXACTLY what he needed to win it all. Better fit than Amare.
...and Big Z will be back in a month.
crazy.

they have to be the favorites now.

[Mikaiel]

im not suprised

imo Cleveland isnt Telfair's final destination in the 2009-2010 season + Wally

We can't include any other player in a Telfair deal.

[EllisGW]

Corry Maggette next ?

warriors radio say they're not gonna do any trades but you never know

[StusOneGoodEye]

what is this, a garage sale? what is washington unloading for?
they should just void gil's contract.

[Kingwillball]

hopefully. if we can get him with only Telfair and Wally then i'd do it. otherwise we should stand pat.


I would give up Parker,Telfair and Wally for Him and go with West,Mo,Boobie and Maggette in backcourt rotation.

[niko]

LOL at Cav fans thinking they do a S&T with Wally for a Maggette type. That's ridiculous money, another $30m or so a year with luxury tax, for a bench player. Ferry is not done, he'll tinker, trade a moon for a more reilable piece, etc. Not another $10m plus player.

Jamison got you so giddy you are moving into delusional territory. Be happy you got Jamison, don't expect Maggette too. You sound like Yankee fans but you don't have Yankee money so it;s even worse.

[1~Gibson~1]

We can't include any other player in a Telfair deal.
o.........nvm then

[1~Gibson~1]

LOL at Cav fans thinking they do a S&T with Wally for a Maggette type. That's ridiculous money, another $30m or so a year with luxury tax, for a bench player. Ferry is not done, he'll tinker, trade a moon for a more reilable piece, etc. Not another $10m plus player.

Jamison got you so giddy you are moving into delusional territory. Be happy you got Jamison, don't expect Maggette too. You sound like Yankee fans but you don't have Yankee money so it;s even worse.
shut the **** you. you're so full of shit :oldlol:

if you hate the Cavs, then just say it. stop being a puss.

[Mikaiel]

The fact that the Wizards got Brian Skinner, a center, in the deal from LAC gives an indication what plans may be for Ilgauskas.

http://twitter.com/pdcavsinsider

[beasly15]

good trade for the cavs.

[Paintballer8791]

Pulling some meaningless past between Miami and Dallas is just that, meaningless. There is a difference between the 2 LA vs Cleveland games and other lower level teams. They were clearly measuring stick games.

But I didn't say "they are better and will beat them again". I said:

Cleveland beat LA twice, and just added a former All Star. People can shuffle around names & matchups on a piece of paper all they want, but Cleveland is clearly the best team right now.

LA can certainly come together and beat them (if the rest of the team keeps playing like they are now and Kobe fits in), but it will be a dog fight at most.
the heat and the mavericks that year were not "lower level teams" how can you hype the cavs and put down the heat when the heat got what the cavs with lebron haven't got which is a championship? unless you weren't calling the mavs and heat lower level teams


That's interesting. While he gives Cleveland another offensive threat, he's going to be a liability on defense. He's like a more talented version of Rashard Lewis in the sense that he's going to spread the floor and play solid defense but ultimately give up height. I don't think this helps the Cavaliers nearly as much as Stoudemire would have. The Lakers/Spurs/Celtics will have a monster advantage down low. They do match up better with the Magic though.
haven't you been reading jamison's problem is defense

LOL WUT? You faker fans are funny.
That was like justifying a genocide.
you need to lay off the crack man I'm a heat and magic fan i hate the lakers,personally i don't like pau at all I think he is overrated and i think his brother is a good player and beings i don't like pau i would rather have marc on my team

[Dizzle-2k7]

Cavs got stronger, but as a Spurs/Laker fan, Id fear them alot more if they got Murphy or Amare... Jamison doesnt really scare me.. he does alot of little things, which is good, but he doesnt stretch defenses like Murphy and isnt a Monster like Amare.. .. guess time will tell

[phoenix18]

Cavs got stronger, but as a Spurs/Laker fan, Id fear them alot more if they got Murphy or Amare... Jamison doesnt really scare me.. he does alot of little things, which is good, but he doesnt stretch defenses like Murphy and isnt a Monster like Amare.. .. guess time will tell
Jamison scares me more than both combined.

[Dizzle-2k7]

Jamison scares me more than both combined.

how so?

[EllisGW]

is danny ferry still trying to make more trades

[Kingwillball]

Cavs got stronger, but as a Spurs/Laker fan, Id fear them alot more if they got Murphy or Amare... Jamison doesnt really scare me.. he does alot of little things, which is good, but he doesnt stretch defenses like Murphy and isnt a Monster like Amare.. .. guess time will tell


Amare a little better down low and Murphy a little better from 3 point land but Jamison can score inside and out better than both..

[Screamingdoom]

He's a little old but hopefully he's the catalyst to help them get a championship this year

[Nets fan 93]

Wizards are going to have worst starting 5 in NBA history. John Wall sweepstakes may be harder then the Nets thought!
Nah, the lineups are pretty equal aside from Lopez

[spursrule]

Jamison is consistent offensively, very much so, except I think he has been playing injured the 2 weeks before the all -star break cause his number are HORRIBLE, but he kept playing probably to keep his (trade) prospects high.

He was out with his shoulder a couple of weeks already, and, 2 or 3 games he apparently dislocated it, went to the locker room, and miraculously could play again. I have seen almost every wizard game this season I wouldn't bet on Jamison. I also think that the Wizards did OK to dump his contract.

[RedBlackAttack]

Jamison is consistent offensively, very much so, except I think he has been playing injured the 2 weeks before the all -star break cause his number are HORRIBLE, but he kept playing probably to keep his (trade) prospects high.

He was out with his shoulder a couple of weeks already, and, 2 or 3 games he apparently dislocated it, went to the locker room, and miraculously could play again. I have seen almost every wizard game this season I wouldn't bet on Jamison. I also think that the Wizards did OK to dump his contract.
The difference is, we don't need Jamison to be the best player on the court. We just need him to knock down open jumpers and take care of some intangibles. Washington had to rely on Jamison far too much and it likely took its toll.

He will have a very different role here and one that he should be pretty comfortable with. Being backed up by Varejao/Hickson/Powe also isn't a bad thing.

[Ken_Masters]

I don't think this trade guarantees LeBron staying. Once Shaq retires, they won't have a center. Jamison is getting up there in age as well. All these moves are to win now. This is not a team that Cleveland is going to build around LeBron for years and years. Short term fix, but a good short term fix.

[spursrule]

The difference is, we don't need Jamison to be the best player on the court. We just need him to knock down open jumpers and take care of some intangibles. Washington had to rely on Jamison far too much and it likely took its toll.

He will have a very different role here and one that he should be pretty comfortable with. Being backed up by Varejao/Hickson/Powe also isn't a bad thing.

understood. but he wasn't knocking down *any* jumpers the last 2 weeks. very unusual, very noticeable for any one who watched the Wiz, tho I know there aren't many of us, LOL.

[branslowski]

Cavs still can't f*ck with the Lakers....:cheers:

[1~Gibson~1]

I don't think this trade guarantees LeBron staying. Once Shaq retires, they won't have a center. Jamison is getting up there in age as well. All these moves are to win now. This is not a team that Cleveland is going to build around LeBron for years and years. Short term fix, but a good short term fix.

once shaq and/or Z retires

Mo Williams / Daniel Gibson
Anthony Parker / Delonte West
LeBron James / Jamario Moon
Antawn Jamison / Leon Powe / JJ Hickson
Anderson Varejao / Sasha Kaun / FA

[Lebron23]

I don't think this trade guarantees LeBron staying. Once Shaq retires, they won't have a center. Jamison is getting up there in age as well. All these moves are to win now. This is not a team that Cleveland is going to build around LeBron for years and years. Short term fix, but a good short term fix.

http://nbcsportsmedia3.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/061122/061122_kaun_vmed_6p.widec.jpg

6'11" Sasha Kaun

8.5 ppg, 5 rpg and 71 FG% in the Euroleague.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Cavs still can't f*ck with the Lakers....:cheers:

...and we all know why.

[1~Gibson~1]

Cavs still can't f*ck with the Lakers....:cheers:
even though we already did........twice :cheers:

[branslowski]

even though we already did........twice :cheers:

Regular Season....We hid our true skills...:cheers:

Same with the Magic Last year...:pimp:

[1~Gibson~1]

Regular Season....We hid our true skills...:cheers:

Same with the Magic Last year...:pimp:
of course you do/did

[Kingwillball]

understood. but he wasn't knocking down *any* jumpers the last 2 weeks. very unusual, very noticeable for any one who watched the Wiz, tho I know there aren't many of us, LOL.


Hopefully the week off at the all-star break did him some good. Plus like someone else wrote will have more of a complementary role and will log alot less minutes with Cavs to keep him fresher.

[6thManOfTheYear]

http://thebasketballoracle.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/sebastian-telfair-and-lebron-james.jpg

:lol

[bagelred]

So what are the Wizards accomplishing by literally giving Butler and Jamison away?

They got no assets whatsoever from it.

Now what? Free agency dipping for them? Who's going to the Wizards? :confusedshrug:

Who are they getting better than Butler and Jamison? What top tier FA is going there?

[6thManOfTheYear]

So what are the Wizards accomplishing by literally giving Butler and Jamison away?

They got no assets whatsoever from it.

Now what? Free agency dipping for them? Who's going to the Wizards? :confusedshrug:

Who are they getting better than Butler and Jamison? What top tier FA is going there?

probably go into full tank mode and try to start over

[DeuceWallaces]

Hmmmm, definitely a steal but I don't see how this makes them all that much better. He's just another jump shooter who hasn't exactly had a lot of playoff success.

At least they got another asset for nothing.

[KingLeBronJames]

Your 2010 NBA Champions, the Cleveland Cavaliers! :rockon:

[scott0326]

So what are the Wizards accomplishing by literally giving Butler and Jamison away?

They got no assets whatsoever from it.

Now what? Free agency dipping for them? Who's going to the Wizards? :confusedshrug:

Who are they getting better than Butler and Jamison? What top tier FA is going there?
No idea.... Are they going to keep Arenas? Trade him? This team has a ton of questions marks.

[gts]

good move by the clipps they have officially thrown their hat in the ring for the "lebron come to my city in the summer of 2010" derby and have a fairly solid line up to offer him

[Kingwillball]

Cavs still can't f*ck with the Lakers....:cheers:


No..They already beaten the Lakers twice once without Mo and both times no Jamison..plus Powe will be Back..

[Kingwillball]

Hmmmm, definitely a steal but I don't see how this makes them all that much better. He's just another jump shooter who hasn't exactly had a lot of playoff success.

At least they got another asset for nothing.


Don't Agree...Jamison is alot more Diverse than a Jumpshooter, he has a Tricky array of shots around the basket as well.

[KG215]

I'm getting a kicck out of those who are dissing this trade. Jamison is one of the best kept secrets in the league. I know he's 33 but he can still score the ball and stretch the defense. To whoever said "all Jamison can do is shoot jumpshots" how about you actually watch him play before you make such an idiotic comment.

[LA_Showtime]

As far as I'm concerned, this makes the Cavaliers better, but hardly guarantees anything. The Lakers, Magic, Celtics, and Mavericks match the Cavaliers depth. Jamison's acquisition by no means guarantees that LeBron James is re-signing with the Cavaliers. He's got to think about the future too, and Jamison is 33 years old.

I've got a feeling that Mike Brown will get the best out of Telfair. This seems like the perfect situation for a point guard who came in with a lot of hype and has produced next to nothing. If he plays any defense whatsoever, he'll get some minutes.

[PleezeBelieve]

good move by the clipps they have officially thrown their hat in the ring for the "lebron come to my city in the summer of 2010" derby and have a fairly solid line up to offer him
lol