Worst defender in NBA history ? [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

gotbacon23

02-23-2010, 04:27 PM

shawn bradley has to be up there besides all the blocks.

now i take "defensive rating" with a grain of salt, but here is the list of players with the worst defensive ratings for players who've played at least 250 NBA games, averaging at least 20 minutes per game:

here (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&is_playoffs=N&year_min=1947&year_max=2010&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&lg_id=&franch_id=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos=&qual=&c1stat=mp_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=20&c2stat=def_rtg&c2comp=gt&c2val=105&c3stat=g&c3comp=gt&c3val=250&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=def_rtg)

some notable names:

ronaldo blackman, kiki vandeghwe, nate robinson, mahmoud abdul-rauf, jose calderon, kevin martin, bj armstrong, monta ellis, steve blake, john paxson, scott skiles.

take it for what its worth; i don't buy the list completely (joe dumars is ranked 60th worst or something... bs) but it is interesting to see some players on there that we currently view as bad defendrs (calderon, martin, rudy gay)

Cermet

02-23-2010, 04:30 PM

My homie says Steve Nash...I say Morris Peterson

Who you got ?

Your HOMIE rapes you every night and you dont even know it. So I would stop listening to him...

Force

02-23-2010, 04:33 PM

Amare is probably the worst defender of any mutiple time all star in recent history. Especially true for players at the 4 or 5 position.

kentatm

02-23-2010, 04:38 PM

At least Tmac is athletic, but i gotta say Dirk he is soooo slow

thats idiotic. Dirk aint the greatest but he is nowhere near the worst.

He was noticeably better than Antawn Jamison when they played together and he has only gotten better at D since then.

Tarik One

02-23-2010, 04:40 PM

Barkley is probably the worst of all the all-time greats especially his last 7-8 seasons

magnax1

02-23-2010, 04:41 PM

Ummmm..... Magic, Nash and the forward on 90's warriors, whos name has escaped me (chris Mullin) are the three worst all star level defenders I can think of.

Alhazred

02-23-2010, 04:44 PM

Barkley is probably the worst of all the all-time greats especially his last 7-8 seasons

Co-sign. He was one of my favorites, but defense simply wasn't his forte.

RichSmoove

02-23-2010, 04:44 PM

http://blogs.pe.com/prosports/Joe_Crawford_medium.jpg

Joe Crawford

gotbacon23

02-23-2010, 04:44 PM

Ummmm..... Magic, Nash and the forward on 90's warriors, whos name has escaped me (chris Mullin) are the three worst all star level defenders I can think of.

all true, and add alex english to that list too.

LAClipsFan33

02-23-2010, 04:46 PM

Your HOMIE rapes you every night and you dont even know it. So I would stop listening to him...

Chill

magnax1

02-23-2010, 04:48 PM

all true, and add alex english to that list too.
I never really got to watch him, so I can't say. Houston Barkley and Detroit Dantley were pretty terrible too.

Rasheed1

02-23-2010, 04:59 PM

The absolute worst Defender I can remember was Toni Kukoc

Guys would see him guarding them they start jumping up & down out there

"gimme gimme gimme the ball! hurry"

dudes was dying to work on Toni because his sh*t was called 'Efense' with no D in there

Bosnian Sajo

02-23-2010, 05:02 PM

At least Tmac is athletic, but i gotta say Dirk he is soooo slow

This isn't gonna work...

ILLsmak

02-23-2010, 05:11 PM

My homie says Steve Nash...I say Morris Peterson

Who you got ?

Has to be Nash simply because he plays the most minutes of any bad defender. Opposing PGs just walk into the lane on him. But I can't say IN NBA HISTORY... that's bold statement. haha. I'll go for worst in the league.

-Smak

TMAC-RAPTORS

02-23-2010, 05:18 PM

TMac.

Troll

ZeN

02-23-2010, 05:21 PM

Travis Knight

http://www.lebasketbawl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/travis-knight-617a.jpg

He holds the NBA Playoff record for quickest disqualification, having fouled out in six minutes in Game 4 of the 1999 Western Conference semi-finals.

ILLsmak

02-23-2010, 05:38 PM

Travis Knight

http://www.lebasketbawl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/travis-knight-617a.jpg

GOD I HATE THAT GUY. He is one of the most garbage players ever! Seriously. Not just defensively... supposedly he was good in college, too. If not for Shaq, dude would not have even been in the league.

-Smak

LA_Showtime

02-23-2010, 05:42 PM

Jose Calderon
Derek Fisher

Derek Fisher used to be a good defender.

Dresta

02-23-2010, 05:47 PM

Chris Quinn

MVP

02-23-2010, 05:49 PM

Most definitely Steve Nash

Jasper

02-23-2010, 08:37 PM

Travis Knight

http://www.lebasketbawl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/travis-knight-617a.jpg

We are getting there ... but i think it is someone from the 80's or maybe 70's..
any guesses ?

Jasper

02-23-2010, 08:42 PM

here's some notables ...
Indian parks
Osterizer
To tall ralph Sampson

Quata

02-23-2010, 08:56 PM

Steve Nash has always been great at taking charges, from that alone it takes him out of the worst defender race. People just love to hate on him

beasted86

02-23-2010, 08:58 PM

Chris Quinn

/thread

phoenix18

02-23-2010, 08:59 PM

Chris Quinn

/thread
:oldlol:

B-Diddy=2Easy

02-23-2010, 09:02 PM

Ray Allen.

BALLin01

02-23-2010, 09:06 PM

Paul Pierce.

TruthKGRay3412

02-23-2010, 09:09 PM

http://brundleflyonthewall.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/tractor1.jpg
http://www.thefreshscent.com/wp-content/post_imgs/1206/traylor_combo.jpg

6thManOfTheYear

02-23-2010, 09:14 PM

http://brundleflyonthewall.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/tractor1.jpg
http://www.thefreshscent.com/wp-content/post_imgs/1206/traylor_combo.jpg

ahahahahahahahahaha

bigboi_baller

02-23-2010, 09:22 PM

I think it was statistically proven (don't ask me how, I think ESPN did it) that Beno Udrih had the worst defense among all player who had started at either guard spot this season.

ShaqAttack3234

02-23-2010, 09:28 PM

TMac.

RocketGreatness has a new account.

robertshaw_1

02-23-2010, 10:04 PM

T Mac, V. Carter and Melo

Alhazred

02-23-2010, 10:05 PM

http://brundleflyonthewall.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/tractor1.jpg
http://www.thefreshscent.com/wp-content/post_imgs/1206/traylor_combo.jpg

That's a basketball player?

Jasper

02-24-2010, 12:11 AM

Jayson Williams :rolleyes:

Here's another : Mike D'Antoni

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either Eric Montross or Manute boll

hayden695

02-24-2010, 01:51 AM

Nash isn't as bad as Jose. Nash atleast draws a bunch of charges.

v3DreJ80

02-24-2010, 01:53 AM

TMac.
He wasn't that bad in his prime. He's garbage now though

IamSofaKing

02-24-2010, 02:02 AM

Jose "Matador" Calderon

hayden695

02-24-2010, 02:31 AM

Jose "Matador" Calderon
Jose "Footspeed of a stationary rock" Calderon

FCN

02-24-2010, 02:35 AM

That's a basketball player?

Behead those who insult the Tractor!

NBASTATMAN

02-24-2010, 02:41 AM

My homie says Steve Nash...I say Morris Peterson

Who you got ?

JERRY STACKHOUSE, STEVE NASH

, MO WILLIAMS, FISHER:D

JustinJDW

02-24-2010, 03:11 AM

Steve Nash has always been great at taking charges, from that alone it takes him out of the worst defender race. People just love to hate on him.This.

It's because of the two MVP's. People can't stand the fact that for once, a Canadian-White pass first type of player won it instead of the same old typical Black-American all scoring but no defense SG/SF.

It's a shame too, because Nash really is a great player. I got a Steve Nash Orange Phoenix Suns Jersey hanging in my closet right now. :pimp:

Kblaze8855

02-24-2010, 03:26 AM

Man to man?

Sam Cassell late in his career comes to mind.

raiderfan19

02-24-2010, 03:37 AM

Man to man?

Sam Cassell late in his career comes to mind.
it depends on what were talking about, If we mean overall career then theres one list, if we mean guys who hung on to long and were awful at the end then you can add several guys who were GREAT defenders in their primes(Ewing was god awful defensively at the end) so id be more interested in leaning towards career wise.

Thugnificent

02-24-2010, 04:12 AM

Jayson Williams :rolleyes:

Here's another : Mike D'Antoni

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either Eric Montross or Manute boll

my man Eric finally getting some recognition!:cheers:

Is that Robert Traylor picture from a commercial or is it just something that he does in free time?

OT: I can't believe how a guy this big can get so fat, I'm 5'9", eat 5 meals a day and gain no more then 1-2 kilos a year.

catzhernandez

02-24-2010, 04:29 AM

Elliot Perry?

Hell who knows, Nash is better than some of the players none of us have never heard of over the last 60+ years, so asking "Who's the Worst Defender in NBA History" is pretty much just retarded. And to think Nash or Morris Peterson is even more retardeder.

Kingsfans818

02-24-2010, 06:46 AM

gotta give some mention to Peja Stojakovic, especially now where he can barely move.

Ridnour's pretty horrid too lol

Kblaze8855

02-24-2010, 06:48 AM

Ive seen Peja play some flat out outstanding defense for 1....2 minutes at a time maybe once every 3 years.

fiddy

02-24-2010, 07:00 AM

Behead those who insult the Tractor!
Travis Outlaw?

RonArtestsBalls

02-24-2010, 07:08 AM

If we're talking in "history" anyone who says Nash is a ****ing idiot.

Dude takes a ton of charges.

plowking

02-24-2010, 07:11 AM

Mario Chalmers has to be close. I swear to god, every point guard has had a season night on him this year.

Toizumi

02-24-2010, 07:15 AM

Travis Outlaw?

:confusedshrug: Tractor Traylor baby!!

anyway.. the worst defender in NBA history is probably some bum nobody hardly knows. uhmm..

what about Mike Iuzzoloni? 5'10 PG who played two seasons ('91 till '93) and averaged 25 MPG. His defensive ratings in those two seasons were 118 and 115. he has played 122 career games and has 19 wins and 103 losses. :oldlol:

lol at all the people mentioning future HOF'ers as all time worst defenders. Yes, some might kinda sck on D, but there's always some complete scrubs that play worse D.

spree43

02-24-2010, 07:30 AM

Bad defenders can often be hidden on good defensive teams, so it's hard to tell, especially because it can't really be quantified by statistics

But Tmac was all defensive 2nd team, so he's not in the argument

East_Stone_Ya

02-24-2010, 08:34 AM

steve kerr

T-Low

02-24-2010, 10:00 AM

How could someone say Mo Pete? You need to find someone who has been a bad defender his whole career....

Rake2204

02-24-2010, 10:44 AM

Worst Defensive Signature Move

http://ballsiest.com/sportsblog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/kyle-korver.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2197/2421164818_c5ca37f62a_o.jpg

http://www.deseretnews.com/photos/midres/1132880.jpg

02-24-2010, 10:50 AM

Cedric Ceballos.

Xover

02-24-2010, 11:00 AM