What is Kobe' signature Playoff Moment?

[Carbine]

Jordan had his 60 some points against Boston. Hanging shot against Cleveland to put them away for good. His last shot as a Bull. Flu game...even if it was overrated.

Duncan had his near quad double in the finals.

Magic had his baby hook.

LeBron had his 27 straight points or something like that against the Pistons. He scored or assisted on 30 some straight points against Orlando last year.

Shaq is known for his dominant Finals performances.

Bird got the steal from Isiah.



What's Kobe got?

[Rekindled]

when he shot like 20 percent in 04 playoff and lost the finals singlehandedly.

[Andrei89]

Kobe hater alert.

[Glide2keva]

Punching Mike Bibby in the face and bibbiy getting called for the foul, with a bloddy nose.

[Dresta]

when he shot like 20 percent in 04 playoff and lost the finals singlehandedly.
This one .

[chazzy]

when he raped that girl and stuff and whines to the refs lololol :sleeping

[dr8ked]

This is the only one i could think of.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_ikaIDz-Ck

[lakerspng]

Jordan had his 60 some points against Boston. Hanging shot against Cleveland to put them away for good. His last shot as a Bull. Flu game...even if it was overrated.

Duncan had his near quad double in the finals.

Magic had his baby hook.

LeBron had his 27 straight points or something like that against the Pistons. He scored or assisted on 30 some straight points against Orlando last year.

Shaq is known for his dominant Finals performances.

Bird got the steal from Isiah.



What's Kobe got?

Not saying it's his signature moment, but as an Indiana guy, you shuold remember him scoring nearly every point on a sprained ankle, after Shaq fouled out of the game to beat the Pacers in the finals in overtime, in Indiana.

[RaceBannana]

-Game 1 of last years finals, hitting all kind of shots over CLee and Pietrus.
-Dominant WCF performances.
-Game tying shot + game winner vs Suns(2006 POs).
-2000 finals,when Shaq fouled out and he took over.

take your pick.


when he shot like 20 percent in 04 playoff and lost the finals singlehandedly.

cmon bud.... thats not true.

:ohwell:

[lakerspng]

This is the only one i could think of.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_ikaIDz-Ck

that was a signature moment for the Shaq/Kobe duo.

There's also his overtime game clinching win against the Suns in game 6 of the 2006 playoffs.

How about his averaging nearly 40 points/game against the Spurs in the WCF in 2002

[DuMa]

taking only 1 shot in the 2nd half in game 7 in PHX

[DuMa]

There's also his overtime game clinching win against the Suns in game 6 of the 2006 playoffs.



that was game 4 and they didnt win the series.

[chazzy]

Change the thread title to "Kobe hater roll call! Everyone come in with your best shot!" :oldlol:

[lakerspng]

that was game 4 and they didnt win the series.

my mistake on the game. and yes, unfortunately they did not win the series.... but it was a game clinching shot. Definitely an epic finish.

[indiefan24]

It hasn't happened yet...when LeBron shoots the game winning three over Kobe in game 7 of the NBA finals

[dr8ked]

taking only 1 shot in the 2nd half in game 7 in PHX


:roll: :roll: :roll: Damn, i remember this, i couldn't believe it, i was like this guy has to be crazy not to try to carry the team after all that scoring in the Regular season. What was the explanation of him not wanting to score ???

[catch24]

:roll: :roll: :roll: Damn, i remember this, i couldn't believe it, i was like this guy has to be crazy not to try to carry the team after all that scoring in the Regular season. What was the explanation of him not wanting to score ???

A combination of Phil asking him to share the ball more/realizing no matter how much he scored, it wouldn't really matter.

Anyway, Game 1 vs Orlando last season was a damn good moment for the Bean. OT game 4 of the 2000 Finals is another.

[dr8ked]

A combination of Phil asking him to share the ball more/realizing no matter how much he scored, it wouldn't really matter.

Anyway, Game 1 vs Orlando last season was a damn good moment for the Bean. OT game 4 of the 2000 Finals is another.

But god damn, game 7 of an elimimantion game ? I'll tell phil to go kill himself if i had to, aint going out without a fight.

[Cyclone112]

But god damn, game 7 of an elimimantion game ? I'll tell phil to go kill himself if i had to, aint going out without a fight.

It wasn't Phil's fault Kobe quit...

[LAClipsFan33]

Really he has had more memorable bad shooting nights than hero moments in the playoffs. I know I'll get labeled a hater or idiot or whatever, but it's just the truth.

[catch24]

But god damn, game 7 of an elimimantion game ? I'll tell phil to go kill himself if i had to, aint going out without a fight.

He took Phil's quote too serious. 1 shot in the second half of a game 7 is and always will be unacceptable. I remember watching, wanting to bash my Television set.

[Desperado]

How about when he was drooping 40+ on the Spurs in the '01 WCF?

How about when he was leading the Lakers back from 10+ 2nd half deficits THREE TIMES in 2002?

How about when he was ripping up the Spurs in 2004?

How about when brought the Lakers back against Portland in 00'?

How about the 50 point game against the Suns in '06?

Take your pick....

[catch24]

Really he has had more memorable bad shooting nights than hero moments in the playoffs. I know I'll get labeled a hater or idiot or whatever, but it's just the truth.

You're right. There were too many games to count where he'd shoot the air out of the ball missing everything. But hey, that comes hand in hand when you're a career 45% scorer. Inconsistency.

[Jacks3]

2008 WCF Game 1- Lakers down 20. Kobe single-handily brings them back in the 2nd half with 25 pts and 5 assists.

[catch24]

2008 WCF Game 1- Lakers down 20. Kobe single-handily brings them back in the 2nd half with 25 pts and 5 assists.

That's another great performance.

[west]

Really he has had more memorable bad shooting nights than hero moments in the playoffs. I know I'll get labeled a hater or idiot or whatever, but it's just the truth.
This.

[Desperado]

I would personally say this.


In Game 7 against the Blazers in 2000, a 21 year-old Kobe establishes himself as an all-around playoff performer: 25 points, 11 rebounds, 7 assists, and 4 blocks as the Lakers come back from 15 down in the 4th quarter and earn a trip to the Finals.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY06eaFaplw

[dr8ked]

To kobe's Credit, Game 4,2009 Playoffs VS the Jazz, he couldn't miss a shot in this game .. Thats memorable. not the other stuff his fans are trying to force down people's throat. I think he went 16-24 FG that day.

[LAClipsFan33]

To kobe's Credit, Game 3,2008 Playoffs VS the Jazz, he couldn't miss a shot in this game .. Thats memorable. not the other stuff his fans are trying to force down people's throat.

Eh...what round was that in ? nobody remembers that. I can't even remember what round it was in or how many points he scored.

[RaceBannana]

How dare you take ariza's playoff moment ?? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Ariza didn

[dr8ked]

Eh...what round was that in ? nobody remembers that. I can't even remember what round it was in or how many points he scored.


just edited it


To kobe's Credit, Game 4,2009 Playoffs VS the Jazz, he couldn't miss a shot in this game .. Thats memorable. not the other stuff his fans are trying to force down people's throat. I think he went 16-24 FG that day.

[KingLeBronJames]

This...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEyERGtRuo0

[DirkLegend41]

This...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEyERGtRuo0

:eek:

[the even bigger black guy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVapB6CozvE

Kobe dual buzzer beaters against Portland

[DirkLegend41]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVapB6CozvE

Kobe dual buzzer beaters against Portland
Great moment but that was in the regular season.

[Glide2keva]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVapB6CozvE

Kobe dual buzzer beaters against Portland
Fail!

[1~Gibson~1]

when he shot like 20 percent in 04 playoff and lost the finals singlehandedly.
:lol

[Younggrease]

To kobe's Credit, Game 4,2009 Playoffs VS the Jazz, he couldn't miss a shot in this game .. Thats memorable. not the other stuff his fans are trying to force down people's throat. I think he went 16-24 FG that day.

I remember the game where he shot poorly against Kenyon Martin and Martin and JR started talking shit...next game Kobe drops like 50 on both of them!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE2a2CI3To0

[TMacYaoRockets]

when he shot like 20 percent in 04 playoff and lost the finals singlehandedly.
I know another great player who did more worse in the Finals than Kobe did. :D

[Desperado]

:lol

Kobe actually shot 38 % that series. Your boy shot 35% in his only Finals and got swept!



Down 3 with seconds remaining in Game 2 of the 2004 Finals, Kobe hit a 28 footer in Rip Hamilton's grill to tie it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDWru_YjLLg

Kobe prevented the Lakers from being swept.

Your boy could have prevented his team from getting swept in Game 3, but this is what happened. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q9KJA6ONws

[TMacYaoRockets]

Kobe actually shot 38 % that series. Your boy shot 35% in his only Finals and got swept!




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDWru_YjLLg

Kobe prevented the Lakers from being swept.

Your boy could have prevented his team from getting swept in Game 3, but this is what happened. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q9KJA6ONws
I was trying to have them guess who it was. lol

[D-Rose]

-GW vs. PHX
-Clutch vs. Pacers Game 4
-Alleyoop to Shaq
-Buzzer beater vs. Suns
-Shot over Dwight
-2001 vs. Spurs/Kings

[GollyImSoGully]

lmao @ all these haters.

Who the f*ck needs a signature playoff moment when you have 4 rings? Honestly...

You think we're gonna forget in 10 years he had 4+ rings? No.

Funny how most of the people hating are from teams that haven't even sniffed a Finals in their lifetime or even as far back as 3 decades ago.

[Showtime]

A combination of Phil asking him to share the ball more/realizing no matter how much he scored, it wouldn't really matter.
I can smell the bullsh!t coming out of my monitor.

[Glide2keva]

lmao @ all these haters.

Who the f*ck needs a signature playoff moment when you have 4 rings? Honestly...

You think we're gonna forget in 10 years he had 4+ rings? No.

Funny how most of the people hating are from teams that haven't even sniffed a Finals in their lifetime or even as far back as 3 decades ago.
^^^^^This post is so full of fail.

People can't make jokes without being called haters. People use that word way too loosely.

I'm a Bulls fan and my team won the finals 6 time in the 90's not 3 decades ago.

Not everyone is a Kobe fan, doesn't make them a hater. I bet you think that if someone doesn't like Gucci mane's wack music, they are haters to right?

GTFOH

[crisoner]

First off can you freaking troll haters stop spamming the thread with your bullsh*t...your not adding any knowledge to the thread...and these 'jokes' been done 100 times before.

My sig Kobe playoff moment was when he missed those shots against the Jazz back I think in 97? That was a young Kobe then and I was shocked to see him take those during crunch time. I was pissed back then because why in the h3ll did they draw up plays for this kidto take key shots during a playoff game? Little did I know then who he would turn out to be.

Next moment....the ally-opp to Shaq during the WCF in 2000 game seven.
One of the greatest moments in NBA history and that got the trifecta started right there. I was in tears when we won that game....it was a long time since we had a championship before then remember. And with dealing with Magic going out because of HIV....Cedric Ceballos...everyone saying Shaq will never win one....it was a great moment.

[catch24]

I can smell the bullsh!t coming out of my monitor.

What is so "bullshit" about it? He got angry Phil asked him to share to the ball more during the half, so he only took one shot the following 24 minutes. Though, I wouldn't be surprised he just gave up and came to the realization a loss was inevitable, considering he already had a decent half and they were still down. That game 6 chokejob really f*cked them over.

[Showtime]

What is so "bullshit" about it?

What is bullsh!t is acting as if Phil told him NOT to shoot (instead of create more), and it's also bullsh!t to think that even if Phil explicitly told him to never shoot the basketball ever again that he would fall in line. Kobe has had a history of defying Phil at times, and this is no secret. Kobe does what he feels is right, and trying to pass off that second half to a coaching job is ridiculous.

[catch24]

What is bullsh!t is acting as if Phil told him NOT to shoot (instead of create more), and it's also bullsh!t to think that even if Phil explicitly told him to never shoot the basketball ever again that he would fall in line. Kobe has had a history of defying Phil at times, and this is no secret. Kobe does what he feels is right, and trying to pass off that second half to a coaching job is ridiculous.

So, according to you, sharing the ball MORE means NOT shooting at all? If that's what you got out of my post, so be it. I've already pointed out shooting ONE shot during the second half of a game 7 is absolutely ridiculous. He tanked, gave up.

[GollyImSoGully]

What is bullsh!t is acting as if Phil told him NOT to shoot (instead of create more), and it's also bullsh!t to think that even if Phil explicitly told him to never shoot the basketball ever again that he would fall in line. Kobe has had a history of defying Phil at times, and this is no secret. Kobe does what he feels is right, and trying to pass off that second half to a coaching job is ridiculous.

So who told you to send death threats through PM to other members?

[Andrei89]

So who told you to send death threats through PM to other members?


lol wut?

[catch24]

He took Phil's quote too serious. 1 shot in the second half of a game 7 is and always will be unacceptable. I remember watching, wanting to bash my Television set. :confusedshrug:

I don't see what showtime's point is?

[GollyImSoGully]

lol wut?

You're new here but Showtime a bigtime loser sent death threats to members when they disagreed with his posts. He wanted their adress to FLY to their place and fight.

[Lakers13]

You're new here but Showtime a bigtime loser sent death threats to members when they disagreed with his posts. He wanted their adress to FLY to their place and fight.


Internet thug at work

[Rashard]

Kobe's had some great performances in the playoffs over his career but there is one game and one particular play that will always stand out to me. The game would be game 7 of the 2002 WCF up in sac-town. Kobe played 52mins, had 30 points, 10 boards, 7 assits and 2 steals.

It wasnt so much the numbers and the numbers were great, it was just the type of determination he and the rest of the Lakers had in that game. They went into one of the hardest arenas to win in that season and they got it done in a game 7. Just an impressive, impressive perfomance.

Now the play that stands out was against the Spurs in the second round during that same playoff run in 2002. There's actually a clip of it on Youtube at the 4:10 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3lUtG5vL6k

He went between and over both Duncan and Robinson two 7 footers for one of the greatest rebounds i've ever seen. That one particular play shows the type of determination Kobe had for that entire playoff run. Shaq was battling injuries for pretty much the entire Western Conference playoff run and Kobe refused to let them lose.

[Killuminati90]

You're new here but Showtime a bigtime loser sent death threats to members when they disagreed with his posts. He wanted their adress to FLY to their place and fight.


no...:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[dynasty1978]

Kobe's had some great performances in the playoffs over his career but there is one game and one particular play that will always stand out to me. The game would be game 7 of the 2002 WCF up in sac-town. Kobe played 52mins, had 30 points, 10 boards, 7 assits and 2 steals.

It wasnt so much the numbers and the numbers were great, it was just the type of determination he and the rest of the Lakers had in that game. They went into one of the hardest arenas to win in that season and they got it done in a game 7. Just an impressive, impressive perfomance.

Now the play that stands out was against the Spurs in the second round during that same playoff run in 2002. There's actually a clip of it on Youtube at the 4:10 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3lUtG5vL6k

He went between and over both Duncan and Robinson two 7 footers for one of the greatest rebounds i've ever seen. That one particular play shows the type of determination Kobe had for that entire playoff run. Shaq was battling injuries for pretty much the entire Western Conference playoff run and Kobe refused to let them lose.

Both very good choices. The 2002 Spurs series was where Kobe really cemented himself as a premier closer, doing it against Bowen/Duncan no less. Personally, I'll take Kobe's game 4 vs. Indy: Biggest stage, Overtime, Lakers take 3-1 command. Good enough for top 60: http://www.nba.com/encyclopedia/moments/60moments_51-60.html

[Bigsmoke]

that dunk on Steve Nash

[theoneneo]

Let me think....

48points 16rebounds vs sactown...

45 points 10 rebounds vs spurs...

25 points 11 rebounds 7 assist vs portland...

28 points(clutch baskets no shaq) vs pacers nba finals...

30 points 7rebounds 10assist vs sactown wcf game 7...

42 points vs spurs...

49 points 10 ast vs denver...

40 points 8 rebounds 8 assist vs orlando...

Take your pick...:lol

[Amil23]

Let me think....

48points 16rebounds vs sactown...

45 points 10 rebounds vs spurs...

25 points 11 rebounds 7 assist vs portland...

28 points(clutch baskets no shaq) vs pacers nba finals...

30 points 7rebounds 10assist vs sactown wcf game 7...

42 points vs spurs...

49 points 10 ast vs denver...

40 points 8 rebounds 8 assist vs orlando...

Take your pick...:lol
none are memorable,thats the point

[Kurosawa0]

That's the one big knock on Kobe for me. His best moments all seem to come in the regular season.

[west]

He also never had a super dominant run like most of the top 10 players have.

[Knoe Itawl]

Hmmm, I'd have to go with:

Game 7 quit against Phoenix
Dismal Pistons Series
Celtics series
15ppg on like 39% shooting vs Philly in Finals
20 points on like 40% as LA got blown out on their HOMEFLOOR by the Spurs in closeout game.

Too hard to choose

[lefthook00]

12 times in the playoffs(about to be 13), 6 finals appearances, 4 rings, a 3-peat, won first ring as a 21 year old, won first ring 4th year in the league, plenty of games with monster stats, crazy crazy playoff series' in the West, buzzer beaters, finals mvp....that's a hell of a memorable playoff CAREER, f*ck a "moment".....Kobe has had a longer PLAYOFF career than some players' normal careers.

What are ya'll talking about? :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Knoe Itawl]

He also never had a super dominant run like most of the top 10 players have.

One of the reasons I feel he's so overrated. People point to games here and there but I've yet to see him just dominate a series and make his stamp on it, and conversely I've seen several series where he was just flat out mediocre to poor. His fans love to ignore this though.

[Amil23]

Hmmm, I'd have to go with:

Game 7 quit against Phoenix
Dismal Pistons Series
Celtics series
15ppg on like 39% shooting vs Philly in Finals
20 points on like 40% as LA got blown out on their HOMEFLOOR by the Spurs in closeout game.

Too hard to choose
Winner.All of those were very memorable.

[lefthook00]

One of the reasons I feel he's so overrated. People point to games here and there but I've yet to see him just dominate a series and make his stamp on it, and conversely I've seen several series where he was just flat out mediocre to poor. His fans love to ignore this though.

I don't ignore it. He has played poorly plenty of times. You win some you lose some. He has still won more than he's lost.

[Kurosawa0]

12 times in the playoffs(about to be 13), 6 finals appearances, 4 rings, a 3-peat, won first ring as a 21 year old, won first ring 4th year in the league, plenty of games with monster stats, crazy crazy playoff series' in the West, buzzer beaters, finals mvp....that's a hell of a memorable playoff CAREER, f*ck a "moment".....Kobe has had a longer PLAYOFF career than some players' normal careers.

What are ya'll talking about? :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

We're talking about Kobe's lack of great playoff moments. Moments that Mike, Larry, Magic and now LeBron have several of.

[Desperado]

In Game 7 against the Blazers in 2000, a 21 year-old Kobe establishes himself as an all-around playoff performer: 25 points, 11 rebounds, 7 assists, and 4 blocks as the Lakers come back from 15 down in the 4th quarter and earn a trip to the Finals.


:cheers:

[Bandito]

We're talking about Kobe's lack of great playoff moments. Moments that Mike, Larry, Magic and now LeBron have several of.
Tell me one Lebron has? The series where they lost against the Magic 4-1? The series where they got in the Finals by luck and were swept by the Spurs? Oh and shot like 35% in the same Finals?:roll: :lol :roll:

[magnax1]

Moment I remember him for most is against the suns in 06 (?) when he hit the shot to send it to OT, and the shot to win it. The first one was absolutely insane.
EDIT:Jeez, lots of people are just hating on poor Kobe. I really don't like the guy, but theres no point in denying how great he is.

[Knoe Itawl]

I don't ignore it. He has played poorly plenty of times. You win some you lose some. He has still won more than he's lost.

I understand that. All of the greats have had times where they failed/played poorly. That's a given.

It just seems like with Kobe he's force fed to us as this generational player right there with the Magics, Birds, etc. however I've yet to see an entire SERIES where he just flat out put his stamp on it. It seems more like good game here, great game there, mediocre game, poor game, Lakers win because they're the more talented team. Also, to go along with this, he's had several series where he was just mediocre to bad. Put it all together and I don't see the transformative greatness I'm supposed to.

[west]

One of the reasons I feel he's so overrated. People point to games here and there but I've yet to see him just dominate a series and make his stamp on it, and conversely I've seen several series where he was just flat out mediocre to poor. His fans love to ignore this though.
Yup.

Kobe always talk about how he accept the challenge etc....but who is he guarding in the finals again? Rajon ****ing Rondo.

Kobe couldn't even dominant the likes of James Posey, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen in the biggest game of his life, you would expect 40 points every game with a player of his caliber.

The fact is he has more bad performances in the Finals than the good one.

Make stupid decisions all the time, never take advantage of the great teammates he have.

[YAWN]

Your boy could have prevented his team from getting swept in Game 3, but this is what happened. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q9KJA6ONws
:oldlol: at that commentary, wtf

[Amil23]

Yup.

Kobe always talk about how he accept the challenge etc....but who is he guarding in the finals again? Rajon ****ing Rondo.

Kobe couldn't even dominant the likes of James Posey, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen in the biggest game of his life, you would expect 40 points every game with a player of his caliber.

The fact is he has more bad performances in the Finals than the good one.

Make stupid decisions all the time, never take advantage of the great teammates he have.

Agree

[Bandito]

Yup.

Kobe always talk about how he accept the challenge etc....but who is he guarding in the finals again? Rajon ****ing Rondo.

Kobe couldn't even dominant the likes of James Posey, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen in the biggest game of his life, you would expect 40 points every game with a player of his caliber.

The fact is he has more bad performances in the Finals than the good one.

Make stupid decisions all the time, never take advantage of the great teammates he have.
But you can say the same about Bron when they went against the Spurs. He choke as bad as Kobe did if not worse. Plus the Lakers were centerless because Bynum was missing in that game remember? He was on the injury list? If he was there maybe, but just maybe they could've beaten the Celtics.

[lefthook00]

Tell me one Lebron has? The series where they lost against the Magic 4-1? The series where they got in the Finals by luck and were swept by the Spurs? Oh and shot like 35% in the same Finals?:roll: :lol :roll:

I guess he's talking about those crazy numbers he put up against the Magic, but he lost so I dunno if that counts as putting a "stamp" on a series. Maybe the 25 straight points against the Pistons?

[Desperado]

Game 1: 2009 NBA Finals

Kobe Bryant: 40 points, 8 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u_Pu--oD9o


http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o219/arkanthill/nba/kobe_bryant_nbafinals_mvp.jpg

[lefthook00]

Yup.

Kobe always talk about how he accept the challenge etc....but who is he guarding in the finals again? Rajon ****ing Rondo.

Kobe couldn't even dominant the likes of James Posey, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen in the biggest game of his life, you would expect 40 points every game with a player of his caliber.

The fact is he has more bad performances in the Finals than the good one.

Make stupid decisions all the time, never take advantage of the great teammates he have.

Come on you know it's never one on one when being guarded. But you're saying that if he was so good, then he should be able to overcome that, right?

[chazzy]

Hmmm, I'd have to go with:

Game 7 quit against Phoenix
Dismal Pistons Series
Celtics series
15ppg on like 39% shooting vs Philly in Finals
20 points on like 40% as LA got blown out on their HOMEFLOOR by the Spurs in closeout game.

Too hard to choose

Hmm..


It's not about discussion with these guys though. I'll give you an example. My feelings on Bryant are well known, but you didn't catch me in the 81 points thread going on and on about how others have scored in more important situations or whatever. I'm not going to go out of my way to derail a thread praising Kobe for something valid he's done, since there are plenty of other times to discuss him in on topic ways. I just ignore those threads. I don't come into the threads about his game winners and go "Jordan had x buzzer beaters/game winners in the playoffs" because that's not the place to discuss that.

There is a certain group here who is not content to just discuss their feelings on Jordan in appropriate places, they just can't stand to see Jordan get props for anything and so have to stick their two cents in no matter the situation. It's easy enough to start a "Greatest Finals Games" thread if you're so interested in comparing performances.

Coming into a praise thread with the sole intention of detracting from obvious greatness bespeaks a certain agenda. No one said people shouldn't have discussions but as soon as I see a Jordan praise thread, I know the usual suspects will soon arrive.

[gasolina]

I remember that game 7 vs. PHX. That was like Halley's comet here in ISH. The day the haters won and the kobe stans couldn't do shit. It was different then, it was either you were a Kobe fan or not. ******gers got their idol punked and lol was that a good time.

Now if Kobe has a bad game, Lebron ******gers jump on it asap. Same goes when Lebron has a bad game.

Those were the days

[Amil23]

To all the desperate Kobe fans bringing up Lebron,Lebron's number historically go up in the postseason while Kobe's go down.

[west]

Come on you know it's never one on one when being guarded. But you're saying that if he was so good, then he should be able to overcome that, right?
Why ****ing not? most of the top 10 players have done that.

[YAWN]

Hmm..
:oldlol:
i was about to post the same thing.

guess knoe couldn't resist a thread made for kobe bashing

[magnax1]

To all the desperate Kobe fans bringing up Lebron,Lebron's number historically go up in the postseason while Kobe's go down.
Thats some revisionist history. Both stay about the same.
Kobe season-
25-5-5 45% fg 36 mpg
playoffs-
25-5-5 45% fg. 39 mpg
Lebron Season-
28-7-7 48% 40 mpg
Postseason-
29-8-7 44% 44mpg

[YAWN]

Why ****ing not? most of the top 10 players have done that.

what..?

[Bandito]

To all the desperate Kobe fans bringing up Lebron,Lebron's number historically go up in the postseason while Kobe's go down.
That's called playing games (and not missing many) for over 10 years genius. Kobe entered the draft when he was 18 and he is 32 (i think) now. The mileage on those legs are ridiculous if you see how he's still playing at this level now.

[Kurosawa0]

I guess he's talking about those crazy numbers he put up against the Magic, but he lost so I dunno if that counts as putting a "stamp" on a series. Maybe the 25 straight points against the Pistons?

It's about having that moment that when they're showing clips of the greatest playoffs moments they can't leave it off. Bird's steal, Magic's hook, the ten million Mike had.

As for LeBron? So far, the game winner against Orlando, despite losing the series, will be remembered. And, the game against the Pistons was probably one of the top ten playoff performances ever.

[YAWN]

It's about having that moment that when they're showing clips of the greatest playoffs moments they can't leave it off. Bird's steal, Magic's hook, the ten million Mike had.

As for LeBron? So far, the game winner against Orlando, despite losing the series, will be remembered. And, the game against the Pistons was probably one of the top ten playoff performances ever.

:oldlol:

some kids these days... making me feel old.

[Knoe Itawl]

:oldlol:
i was about to post the same thing.

guess knoe couldn't resist a thread made for kobe bashing

Not the same thing at all. This is a thread about Kobe debating as to what he's really done that stands out in the playoffs. I've been keeping it on subject.

Now, you'd have a point if the thread title was "Kobe's Great Game Against the Spurs" or something and I went out of my way to point out his deficiencies or bringing up better games other players have had. Nice try though.

[Knoe Itawl]

Hmm..

See my response to YAWN.

[chazzy]

Not the same thing at all. This is a thread about Kobe debating as to what he's really done that stands out in the playoffs. I've been keeping it on subject.

Now, you'd have a point if the thread title was "Kobe's Great Game Against the Spurs" or something and I went out of my way to point out his deficiencies or bringing up better games other players have had. Nice try though.

The OP is asking for what his signature playoff moment was, and you listed a bunch of his failures. That's no better than a Jordan hater talking about other player's final's stats, which you complained about. It's actually worse because they're not even putting him down, just propping up others.. all you're bringing is negativity. You also like to chime in every game thread in which Kobe has a bad game and say "Kobe Clutch :oldlol: " or something stupid like that, yet you complain about Jordan haters bringing unnecessary hate. Don't be a hypocrite

[Kurosawa0]

:oldlol:

some kids these days... making me feel old.

Having debated with you in the other thread, I can see you're very immature. How about you act like you made it past the third grade and offer an opinion. You know, as opposed to acting like a jackass.

[theoneneo]

Lebron has no rings...0-4 in his finals apperance...choke on it *******...how you compare him to a guy with 4 rings is beyond me. Kobe has many great games in the post season, check page 4 for the list. What signature moment does tim duncan have? but yet he has 4 rings.

[Desperado]

the ten million Mike had.

:oldlol:

His most memorable playoff moments (the one's ESPN always brings up) are the game winning shot against Craig Ehlo :roll: and when he pushed off and traveled in the '98 Finals. Besides those the uncontested lay up against the Lakers, but that's it.

[Kurosawa0]

What signature moment does tim duncan have? but yet he has 4 rings.

That's one of the reasons in twenty years Duncan's going to get pushed back. Kind of like how Moses Malone gets overlooked.

[Kurosawa0]

:oldlol:

His most memorable playoff moments (the one's ESPN always brings up) are the game winning shot against Craig Ehlo :roll: and when he pushed off and traveled in the '98 Finals. Besides those the uncontested lay up against the Lakers, but that's it.

63 in the Garden, Game winner against Cleveland (twice), The Layup, hitting the threes against Portland, the game winner against Utah in 1997, Flu game and the final shot in 1998.

Something of you people... :ohwell:

[Knoe Itawl]

The OP is asking for what his signature playoff moment was, and you listed a bunch of his failures. That's no better than a Jordan hater talking about other player's final's stats, which you complained about. It's actually worse because they're not even putting him down, just propping up others.. all you're bringing is negativity. You also like to chime in every game thread in which Kobe has a bad game and say "Kobe Clutch :oldlol: " or something stupid like that, yet you complain about Jordan haters bringing unnecessary hate. Don't be a hypocrite

You're reaching in an attempt to play "gotcha". If you see me in a thread like "Kobe is Lakers highest scorer" or something bringing up negatives, point it out. This thread didn't specifically focus on a Kobe accomplishment, it was more open ended. As for game threads, that's just stupid. I never said no one could ever criticize a player. If he plays poorly, sure I'll comment on it. And that's all I'm saying, wasted enough time on this.

[catch24]

Not the same thing at all. This is a thread about Kobe debating as to what he's really done that stands out in the playoffs. I've been keeping it on subject.

Now, you'd have a point if the thread title was "Kobe's Great Game Against the Spurs" or something and I went out of my way to point out his deficiencies or bringing up better games other players have had. Nice try though.

As I said yesterday, you're living up to your REP brotha. Keep it up.

[magnax1]

:oldlol:

His most memorable playoff moments (the one's ESPN always brings up) are the game winning shot against Craig Ehlo :roll: and when he pushed off and traveled in the '98 Finals. Besides those the uncontested lay up against the Lakers, but that's it.
:roll:
These people trying to tear down Jordan are just hillarious. They even try and bring it into a Kobe thread.

[Kurosawa0]

:roll:
These people trying to tear down Jordan are just hillarious. They even try and bring it into a Kobe thread.

I love how people are trying to say he was just an ESPN creation. The guy owned basketball for a decade. Only Bill Russell can also claim that.

[magnax1]

I love how people are trying to say he was just an ESPN creation. The guy owned basketball for a decade. Only Bill Russell can also claim that.
Agreed. I've been labled as a Jordan fan by them even though my favorite team the Jazz got doodled up the Butt by him 2 years straight and I hated him for the next five years.
These guys are just ridiculous. They'll do anything to tear him down.

[catch24]

:roll:
These people trying to tear down Jordan are just hillarious. They even try and bring it into a Kobe thread.

That's Alphawolf, the notorious Kobe stan who lives vicariously through #24. His biggest fear and insecurity is Michael Jordan, who set the bar so high, his hero will never reach.

[Desperado]

Which move was more impressive?


1991 Finals - Michael Jordan's uncontested layup with A.C. Green and Sam Perkins standing nearby http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKE6Blw2aFk


OR

2009 Finals: Kobe Bryant's falling, double-clutch banker over the Defensive Player of the Year Dwight Howard, who was all over him?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKbxaS7dyd8




Give me Kobe's falling, switch of hands, double clutch shot over the DPOY any day of the week. The degree of difficulty is way higher.


But the only problem with Kobe's shot was that it was Mike Breen and his dead commentary that called the play

If it was Marv Albert giving the "Oh! A Spectacular Move by Kobe Bryant!!!" then it would've not just looked better but also sounded better

As much as people don't realize Marv's commentary on Jordan's move made it even more special than it already is.




http://i.tsn.com/i/photos/20090615/117103.gif

[Glide2keva]

He also never had a super dominant run like most of the top 10 players have.
That's because he's not a top 10 player.

[TryToBeUnbias]

Lol @ that Gift ^^

[theoneneo]

That's one of the reasons in twenty years Duncan's going to get pushed back. Kind of like how Moses Malone gets overlooked.


Bullshit, Tim Duncan will never get overlooked, comparing Moses Malone to Tim Duncan is foolish. Anyway this thread fails because I gave several signature games from Kobe and evryone just ignored them.Kobe haters win again.

Kobe's 45 point 10rebound performance vs the Spurs in 2001, is greater than any thing lebron has ever done. Sure it aint memorable now cause it happened 9 years ago. And that game was the game right after his 48 16reb game. If lebron ever put up 48 points and 16 rebounds in a game you guys would be ready to swallow his jizz.

[dynasty1978]

So this thread devolved as expected:

1) The Kobe-hater club referencing his worst moments and demonstrating selective memory.

2) The stans bringing Jordan and Lebron into the discussion.

3) The objective folks that could care less but manage to give props where due.

[LA_Showtime]

- 48/16
- willing the lakers to victory after shaq fouled out (2000 finals)
- those two huge shots against the blazers
- phoenix suns - for hitting the game winning shot and for not showing up in the second half of game 7
- basically all of the 2007-2008 playoffs, going from top of the world to losing to the celtics
- winning his first finals mvp

that's kobe for ya. he's done a lot--both good and bad, but ultimately people will look back on his career and know he was a winner.

[west_tip]

The game against Phoenix in the First round 2006, he scored the game tying bucket iirc then the game winner from a smush steal in ot.

That was a garbage laker squad (brian cook, kwame brown, smuch etc.) that came close to eliminating the suns.

[Glide2keva]

Wow, you need to get off that haterade man.

You say mike didn't have any moments?

Silent Sunday part 1 & 2, 1 being on Ehlo, 2 on Gerald Wilkins
63 on the Celtics
Numerous 50+ games
That insane dunk on Ewing in 1991
That's not including the Finals where he:

Dropped 38 on Utah while suffering from the Flu

Dishing off to Steve Kerr for the game winner in Game 1 of the 1997 Finals

The switch hands against the Lakers

Making that ridiculous shot (with no follow through) on Vlade Divac to send it to overtime in that same finals

6, 3 pointers in Game 1 of the 1992 finals on his way to an NBA record 35 first half points and shooting 60% from three for the game

Burning the Suns for 41 while never losing on the road for the entire series.

And then there is the shot of Russell. Call it a push off, travel or whatever label you want, but his last shot as a Bull was a game winner for the title.

Kobe has none of that.

[LA_Showtime]

jordan fans say kobe ain't jordan, and yet they are the only ones to compare the two. name me 5 "laker" fans that consider kobe > jordan. you can't do it.

[Desperado]

63 in the Garden, Game winner against Cleveland (twice), The Layup, hitting the threes against Portland, the game winner against Utah in 1997, Flu game and the final shot in 1998.

Something of you people... :ohwell:



Flu Game? :oldlol: Yeah I seen Mikey's tummy ache....


http://www.kicksguide.com/images/aj12/flu-jordan-pippen.jpg

hey Scottie....I have the sniffles....can you carry me of the court?

Oh c'mon! drama queen....




63 in the Garden? You don't brag about losing efforts. Individual performance means NOTHING if you lose! For me, Elgin Baylor's 61 point game in the 1962 finals was a better performance. He didn't need 2 over times, and HE WON THE GAME!

Also Jordan missed a wide open 15 footer with 3 seconds in the first overtime, that most likely would have won the game.

After that close call, Boston put the clamps down on Jordan in game 3, holding him to 19 points (only 5 in the final 3 quarters) before he fouled out.


Final shot in 1998? When he pushed off and traveled against Byron Russel?




The other one's aren't really memorable btw ....

[crisoner]

http://www.brandonbird.com/images/sir_ian_05.jpg

[jstern]

Which move was more impressive?


1991 Finals - Michael Jordan's uncontested layup with A.C. Green and Sam Perkins standing nearby http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKE6Blw2aFk


OR

2009 Finals: Kobe Bryant's falling, double-clutch banker over the Defensive Player of the Year Dwight Howard, who was all over him?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKbxaS7dyd8




Give me Kobe's falling, switch of hands, double clutch shot over the DPOY any day of the week. The degree of difficulty is way higher.


But the only problem with Kobe's shot was that it was Mike Breen and his dead commentary that called the play

If it was Marv Albert giving the "Oh! A Spectacular Move by Kobe Bryant!!!" then it would've not just looked better but also sounded better

As much as people don't realize Marv's commentary on Jordan's move made it even more special than it already is.




http://i.tsn.com/i/photos/20090615/117103.gif
Kobe has had better shots than that. That's just circuit shot.

The Jordan layup has been replayed a lot, not because of it's difficulty, but because of its athleticism. It's a move that Kobe wouldn't be able to recreate, since he was never as athletic as Jordan. While Jordan would have been able to do that Kobe move easier, and more acrobatic, with more hang time.

I can just imagine your response by my comment of Kobe not being able to recreate it. What I mean is that since Kobe never had the same leaping ability, body control, if he tried recreating it, it would just look horrible.

[jstern]

jordan fans say kobe ain't jordan, and yet they are the only ones to compare the two. name me 5 "laker" fans that consider kobe > jordan. you can't do it.
You have to be kidding. Go to any Kobe video, or Kobe vs Jordan video on youtube, and every teenager, and most 20 to like 24 year olds think Kobe is greater than Jordan. The basically think basketball started when they started watching.

[YAWN]

The Jordan layup has been replayed a lot, not because of it's difficulty, but because of its athleticism.
its been played a lot because it looks cool in slow motion and was branded into everyones heads by gatorade. good move, but there are dozens of better moves by jordan.

here it is in regular motion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7vsjOHq5E0
in fact i think ive seen lebron and kobe both do the scoop type hand switch just this season..



It's a move that Kobe wouldn't be able to recreate, since he was never as athletic as Jordan. While Jordan would have been able to do that Kobe move easier, and more acrobatic, with more hang time.
joking to rile up people right? ive seen many players do similar moves around the basket, not in the same way cutting down the middle, but still hand switch, scoop, etc.



I can just imagine your response by my comment of Kobe not being able to recreate it. What I mean is that since Kobe never had the same leaping ability, body control, if he tried recreating it, it would just look horrible.

kobe definitely never had the type of leaping ability that jordan was blessed with, or even the hands to palm the ball with the ease that jordan did, but he did have the body control. watch some footage of afro kobe, not as good a dunker as MJ was, but he had some decent stuff when he was younger that people forget about.

[YAWN]

You have to be kidding. Go to any Kobe video, or Kobe vs Jordan video on youtube, and every teenager, and most 20 to like 24 year olds think Kobe is greater than Jordan. The basically think basketball started when they started watching.

no sane person would think that kobe is better than jordan. thats just ridiculous, there are some homers and young fans that didn't watch the sport in the 90s, but any knowledgeable basketball fan wouldn't even consider that foolishness. kobe has a long way to go if he wants to even creep into the top 5.

[Jacks3]

08-09 NBA Playoffs:
30+ PPG( 46%/87%/36%/56%)
6 RPG
5+ APG
2 SPG
4 40+ games
17 30+ games
WCF:34/6/6/2 on 48% shooting :bowdown:
Finals:32+/7+/6+/2/1 against the best defense in the league. :bowdown:
Lead team to NBA championship and wins Finals MVP.
One of the greatest play-off runs ever. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Kurosawa0]

I got to start using the ignore list.

[YAWN]

Having debated with you in the other thread, I can see you're very immature. How about you act like you made it past the third grade and offer an opinion. You know, as opposed to acting like a jackass.

Im sorry man but your comments literally made me face palm. you make it obvious you are a new fan of the game, which there is not anything wrong with that, but you say that kobe has no memorable plays.. and then point to lebron taking over a game in crunch time to win (which kobe has done) and lebron hitting a game winner (which kobe has done). just thought it was funny.

[BlueandGold]

Im sorry man but your comments literally made me face palm. you make it obvious you are a new fan of the game, which there is not anything wrong with that, but you say that kobe has no memorable plays.. and then point to lebron taking over a game in crunch time to win (which kobe has done) and lebron hitting a game winner (which kobe has done). just thought it was funny.


good point.. judging from his posts he seems like he started watching the nba in the 2000s... which there is nothing wrong with that but the last decade of the nba does not = it's entire history.

[catch24]

To say Kobe has no memorable play(s) in the postseason is ridiculous, period. In fact, he's had so many great ones it's hard to really pinpoint his best.

[Kurosawa0]

To say Kobe has no memorable play(s) in the postseason is ridiculous, period. In fact, he's had so many great ones it's hard to really pinpoint his best.

It's not that he doesn't have good moments, but does he have great ones? Twenty years after his career is over, what single playoff moment does he have to show? I can't think of one like you can with other great players.

[Kurosawa0]

good point.. judging from his posts he seems like he started watching the nba in the 2000s... which there is nothing wrong with that but the last decade of the nba does not = it's entire history.

I've been watching basketball for 15 years.

[catch24]

It's not that he doesn't have good moments, but does he have great ones? Twenty years after his career is over, what single playoff moment does he have to show? I can't think of one like you can with other great players.

Well, that's on you then. Look back a page or two to see the games he's taken over and stamped his name on.

[chazzy]

It's not that he doesn't have good moments, but does he have great ones? Twenty years after his career is over, what single playoff moment does he have to show? I can't think of one like you can with other great players.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB8DiN5rxJE

[Kurosawa0]

Well, that's on you then. Look back a page or two to see the games he's taken over and stamped his name on.

No, I saw it. Good performances, but not "special."

It's simple. Tell me which Kobe playoff moment will be shown over and over again twenty years from now.

[Kurosawa0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB8DiN5rxJE

The problem I've always had that highlight is that it makes me think how Kobe acted in the game seven of that series.

[chazzy]

The problem I've always had that highlight is that it makes me think how Kobe acted in the game seven of that series.

So what? Different game.. it's a memorable playoff moment that will be remembered, just what you asked.

[BlueandGold]

I've been watching basketball for 15 years.

ok then sorry

[catch24]

Seems like this site is a haven for trolls now a days.

[Kurosawa0]

So what? Different game.. it's a memorable playoff moment that will be remembered, just what you asked.

There's a difference between a memorable moment and transcendent one.

I'm sorry that this your guy. I'm not trying to bash him. Kobe just doesn't have that kind of moment yet. You either have it or you don't. Kobe doesn't.

[Kurosawa0]

Seems like this site is a haven for trolls now a days.

How am I a troll?

[chazzy]

There's a difference between a memorable moment and transcendent one.

I'm sorry that this your guy. I'm not trying to bash him. Kobe just doesn't have that kind of moment yet. You either have or you don't. Kobe doesn't.


As for LeBron? So far, the game winner against Orlando, despite losing the series, will be remembered.

What makes Lebron's shot so much more transcendent? I'm not being a homer or anything either, I just don't get your reasoning.

[TryToBeUnbias]

So what? Different game.. it's a memorable playoff moment that will be remembered, just what you asked.
that was def. one of those moments that will be remember for a very long time.

[Kurosawa0]

What makes Lebron's shot so much more transcendent? I'm not being a homer or anything either, I just don't get your reasoning.

In that I was actually defending LeBron to another user. He had said LeBron had done nothing memorable in playoffs. That shot isn't at the transcendent level either

LeBron's moment is that game five against the Pistons. To me, that's there with Jordan's 63 and Magic in the Finals as a rookie. I've never seen one player just a carry a team through virtually the fourth quarter and two overtimes in a playoff series like that. I was supposed to go bowling after that game was over with some friends and I had to keep calling and saying "LeBron's gone insane. I can't miss this!"

[Kurosawa0]

that was def. one of those moments that will be remember for a very long time.

It was in the first round. It had no barring on the championship.

[Jacks3]

08-09 NBA Playoffs:
30+ PPG( 46%/87%/36%/56%)
6 RPG
5+ APG
2 SPG
4 40+ games
17 30+ games
WCF:34/6/6/2 on 48% shooting :bowdown:
Finals:32+/7+/6+/2/1 against the best defense in the league. :bowdown:
Lead team to NBA championship and wins Finals MVP.
One of the greatest play-off runs ever. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
kj

[jstern]

its been played a lot because it looks cool in slow motion and was branded into everyones heads by gatorade. good move, but there are dozens of better moves by jordan.

here it is in regular motion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7vsjOHq5E0
in fact i think ive seen lebron and kobe both do the scoop type hand switch just this season..


joking to rile up people right? ive seen many players do similar moves around the basket, not in the same way cutting down the middle, but still hand switch, scoop, etc.



kobe definitely never had the type of leaping ability that jordan was blessed with, or even the hands to palm the ball with the ease that jordan did, but he did have the body control. watch some footage of afro kobe, not as good a dunker as MJ was, but he had some decent stuff when he was younger that people forget about.

Gatorade? It's just one of those moves that gets replayed a lot by the NBA. Not sure about Kobe, but Lebron did a similar move, and NBA.com compared it to Jordan, it didn't look nearly as graceful. Personally I couldn't care less about that moves, but the topic of the discussion I was having was about a comparison of that move with a Kobe circus shot. Again, what I mean by Kobe not being able to imitated, is that it wouldn't look as good during the slow motion replays, since he doesn't have the leaping ability. Obviously, even I can pretend to dunk it (on a shorter hoop) and then switch to my left, but I wasn't talking being able to do that, but to do it as athletic as Jordan did. Body control was not a good word for me to use, since people have different meanings for certain things. What I meant was the way Jordan twists and turns his torso in mid air when contact is coming. I can't explain it, only with examples, but it's something that I recently notice and want to add to my game. The best example was on a youtube vid that I saw of the Bulls vs Knicks, where the Knicks were playing this incredible hacking defense. As a Knick fan I did not like Jordan, but I find myself defending him a lot because of the comments of a lot of teenager who never saw him play. They might not be as knowledgeable as they think they are about basketball, but they are big NBA fans.

[macpierce]

dude you cant quote yourself................kobes career isnt finished yet, he stilll has several years left

[Kurosawa0]

dude you cant quote yourself................kobes career isnt finished yet, he stilll has several years left

At how of a level though?

[BlueandGold]

There's a difference between a memorable moment and transcendent one.

I'm sorry that this your guy. I'm not trying to bash him. Kobe just doesn't have that kind of moment yet. You either have it or you don't. Kobe doesn't.

he doesn't have a definable singular signature playoff play like jordan's hand-switch layup or magic's running hook but he's still has a handful of very impressive games in the playoffs where he is virtually unguardable. I'm sure all those games have been brought up in this thread but another relevant fact is that he is 6th all time in career playoff points scored and from what it looks like he'll likely up in top5 if not top3 in all time playoff points.. that's definitely nothing to scoff at.

so while there may not be a single signature playoff moment that kobe has been a part of, that doesn't mean that he's not a stellar playoff performer.

[Kurosawa0]

he doesn't have a definable singular signature playoff play like jordan's hand-switch layup or magic's running hook but he's still has a handful of very impressive games in the playoffs where he is virtually unguardable. I'm sure all those games have been brought up in this thread but another relevant fact is that he is 6th all time in career playoff points scored and from what it looks like he'll likely up in top5 if not top3 in all time playoff points.. that's definitely nothing to scoff at.

so while there may not be a single signature playoff moment that kobe has been a part of, that doesn't mean that he's not a stellar playoff performer.

Hey, the guy has four rings. Obviously he's doing something right. The point I was making was the same that you just did. Kobe doesn't have THAT moment. For some reason, he just doesn't.

[Jacks3]

Alley-opp to Shaq. Everybody will remember that.

[Kurosawa0]

Alley-opp to Shaq. Everybody will remember that.

True, but that's Shaq's moment every bit as much as it is Kobe's. That defines their pairing more than Kobe's individual greatness.

[Jorn444Lakers]

No, I saw it. Good performances, but not "special."

It's simple. Tell me which Kobe playoff moment will be shown over and over again twenty years from now.
If you're looking for a "special" moment, and not just an overall performance, I'd say his circus shot on Dwight Howard in game 5 of the 2009 finals was a pretty big "moment".

"Moments" are pretty subjective anyway.

[Kurosawa0]

"Moments" are pretty subjective anyway.

In a way, they're not though. Certain moments/performances live on for decades.

[Jorn444Lakers]

In a way, they're not though. Certain moments/performances live on for decades.
I think that one will... just my opinion. That one and his Phx game winner (whether they should be or not, debatable, but I have a feeling those won't be forgotten.)

[Kurosawa0]

I think that one will... just my opinion. That one and his Phx game winner (whether they should be or not, debatable, but I have a feeling those won't be forgotten.)

Hey, maybe...

[Jorn444Lakers]

he doesn't have a definable singular signature playoff play like jordan's hand-switch layup or magic's running hook but he's still has a handful of very impressive games in the playoffs where he is virtually unguardable. I'm sure all those games have been brought up in this thread but another relevant fact is that he is 6th all time in career playoff points scored and from what it looks like he'll likely up in top5 if not top3 in all time playoff points.. that's definitely nothing to scoff at.

so while there may not be a single signature playoff moment that kobe has been a part of, that doesn't mean that he's not a stellar playoff performer.

I would say his circus shot on Howard would be considered one of those type of shots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEyERGtRuo0

[mlh1981]

When Kobe was driving in for the game winning layup, down by 1 in the final seconds of game 7 of the 2010 NBA finals. LeBron jumps from the three point line (yes, the THREE POINT line) and has another one of his chasedown blocks, this one coming at the buzzer to seal the deal for the Cavs.

and I was like "ZOMG!"

[itsGameTime]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YXbwxLkJbQ&feature=related

Pump fake, draws two defenders, bank off the backboard to himself for a self alley two handed jam against the Utah Jazz on their floor.

[Amil23]

When Kobe was driving in for the game winning layup, down by 1 in the final seconds of game 7 of the 2010 NBA finals. LeBron jumps from the three point line (yes, the THREE POINT line) and has another one of his chasedown blocks, this one coming at the buzzer to seal the deal for the Cavs.

and I was like "ZOMG!"
i loled as a funny image of this popped in my head.

[Desperado]

How am I a troll?

Your so blinded with nostalgia and can't let go of your childhood memories of MJ and hate the fact that Kobe is always compared to your hero so you won't give him any credit what so ever.

[Desperado]

Kobe at 21 years old takes over Game 4 of the 2000 Finals on a sprained ankle with Shaq fouled out, hitting the game winning shot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n5qLQ6ZUKE

[dynasty1978]

Kobe at 21 years old takes over Game 4 of the 2000 Finals on a sprained ankle with Shaq fouled out, hitting the game winning shot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n5qLQ6ZUKE

This. Can anyone on this board honestly say they is this not "memorable"? Maybe, if you are blind.

I mean really, a 21 year old owning OT in the NBA Finals?

[Desperado]

The problem I've always had that highlight is that it makes me think how Kobe acted in the game seven of that series.


I have a problem with Jordan shoving Byron Russell to the floor and then traveling, but its considered his MOST memorable moment of his entire career.

[Desperado]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqRbAT34fko

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0htCGxby0Mc&feature=related

[pierce2008mvp]

Punching Mike Bibby in the face and bibbiy getting called for the foul, with a bloddy nose.
:cheers:

[Desperado]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0htCGxby0Mc&feature=related





at 3:30...classic.."Forget about shaq..if he is open ok but do not change your game to go into him. keep the ball moving." looks like the general was right..let kobe take charge in the clutch..as usual! LOL

:cheers:

[NBASTATMAN]

Jordan had his 60 some points against Boston. Hanging shot against Cleveland to put them away for good. His last shot as a Bull. Flu game...even if it was overrated.

Duncan had his near quad double in the finals.

Magic had his baby hook.

LeBron had his 27 straight points or something like that against the Pistons. He scored or assisted on 30 some straight points against Orlando last year.

Shaq is known for his dominant Finals performances.

Bird got the steal from Isiah.



What's Kobe got?



The 2001 playoffs before the Sixers... Easily the best ball he has ever played...

[AirJordan&Magic]

He also never had a super dominant run like most of the top 10 players have.

Kobe averaged 31.6 ppg 7.0 rpg 6.2 apg 1.6 spg on 51% shooting in 2001 through the three playoff series (Blazers, Kings, Spurs) before the finals...........That is pretty dominant if you ask me.

[AirJordan&Magic]

The 2001 playoffs before the Sixers... Easily the best ball he has ever played...

This.

Anyone that seriously can say that he wasn't dominant in the 2001 playoffs is an idiot.

[lefthook00]

The buzzer beater against the Suns...remember he had 2 buzzer beaters in that game!!!! :bowdown: A beautiful side step floater over Raja Bell to send it into overtime, and a fadeaway at the elbow to win it all in OT.

What about when he POSTERIZED Nash? That has to be one of the nastiest playoff dunks ever!!!! I know everyone remembers this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWvH2l1-_dQ

[TryToBeUnbias]

Kobe averaged 31.6 ppg 7.0 rpg 6.2 apg 1.6 spg on 51% shooting in 2001 through the three playoff series (Blazers, Kings, Spurs) before the finals...........That is pretty dominant if you ask me.
Adding to the fact that western conference finals were pretty the NBA Finals

[Amil23]

The thing about the good numbers he put up in the postseason from 2000-2004 is they are easily forgotten because he was a sidekick so they are not very memorable.

[lefthook00]

Kobe averaged 31.6 ppg 7.0 rpg 6.2 apg 1.6 spg on 51% shooting in 2001 through the three playoff series (Blazers, Kings, Spurs) before the finals...........That is pretty dominant if you ask me.

I'm re-watching some playoff games from that year...he was sooooooooo much quicker back then!!! Sigh..it's all good though.

[AirJordan&Magic]

Kobe Bryant has had his share of bad playoff performances, but he has also had some memorable ones that people tend to ignore.

For example:

Kobe Bryant's domination of the Spurs in 2001....Kobe averaged 33.2 ppg 7.0 rpg and 7.0 apg on 51% shooting in that series.....

Game 1, Kobe drops 45 points on 54% shooting and grabs 10 rebounds.

Game 2, Kobe had a great all around game 28 pts 7 rebounds 6 assist 2 stls on 46% shooting

game 3, Kobe continues his brilliance by dropping 36 pts on 53% shooting, grabbing 9 rebounds, dishing 8 assist, 2 blks and 1 steal

Game 4, This was arguably Kobe's best game of the series in my opinion. Kobe completely controlled the offense in that game and was amazing defensively. Kobe dropped 24 points dished out 11 assist with 2 steals 1 block on 52% shooting.

Then there was Kobe's dominance in both closing games of the 2001 Kings series and 2002.....2002, Kobe dropped 30/ 10/7 on the road in a decisive game.
2001 semifinals vs Kings game 4 was something else. Kobe dropped 48 points on 51% shooting, and grabbed 16 REBOUNDS :applause:

It is so many....from Kobe Bryant overtime takeover in game 4 of the 2000 finals, to his game winner in 2000 vs the Suns, the 2 buzzer beaters and the 50 point performance in 2006, 49 and 10 rebounds vs the Nuggets........his game 1 performance in 2001 vs the Blazers in the second half after injuring his hips and Shaq having a horrific game.......His game 4 performance vs the Jazz last year...game 6 vs the Nuggets last year..........And his iconic performance in game 1 of the 2009 Nba finals...40 pts 8 rebounds 8 assist on 48% shooting...And I still left out many.

Kobe is no Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Hakeem, or Russell when it comes to the playoffs, he's not close to the perfomer these guys were when it came to the postseason.........but he is great in his own right and is definitely not the playoff choker that some irrational morons make him out to be.

[rfm767]

Really he has had more memorable bad shooting nights than hero moments in the playoffs. I know I'll get labeled a hater or idiot or whatever, but it's just the truth.

Absolutely. He should go sign for the minimum on some crappy team, if he can that is, who on earth will want such a player?, on a lock to ruin your team during playoffs.......................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ....................now seriously, i know trolling is what keeps forums alive so carry on

[AirJordan&Magic]

The thing about the good numbers he put up in the postseason from 2000-2004 is they are easily forgotten because he was a sidekick so they are not very memorable.

You are indeed an idiot for that moronic comment......

[Amil23]

You are indeed an idiot for that moronic comment......
Its the truth.

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

We're talking about Kobe's lack of great playoff moments. Moments that Mike, Larry, Magic and now LeBron have several of.
LeBron had several great Playoff moments? :oldlol: There's only 2.

[BallsOut]

LeBron had several great Playoff moments? :oldlol: There's only 2.

Correction: Lebron has 3, including the sweep against the Spurs in 2007. :ohwell:

[LAClipsFan33]

Absolutely. He should go sign for the minimum on some crappy team, if he can that is, who on earth will want such a player?, on a lock to ruin your team during playoffs.......................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ....................now seriously, i know trolling is what keeps forums alive so carry on

Who are you ? Nobody. More people agreed with me than you...carry on

[Kurosawa0]

Considering this has turned into 12 pages of argument, it kind of proves my point. Kobe doesn't have that one moment. If he did, this wouldn't take 12 pages.

[TryToBeUnbias]

Considering this has turned into 12 pages of argument, it kind of proves my point. Kobe does have that one moment. If he did, this wouldn't take 12 pages.
:lol

[Kurosawa0]

:lol

How old are you? I seriously want to know.

[momo]

My first thought is his 3, 3 point airballs vs the jazz when he was a pup and his lob to shaq. Both images came in a nano sec. Never forget either. Him guarding AI in the finals comes in second maybe.

[momo]

Game 4, This was arguably Kobe's best game of the series in my opinion. Kobe completely controlled the offense in that game and was amazing defensively. Kobe dropped 24 points dished out 11 assist with 2 steals 1 block on 52% shooting.


2001 semifinals vs Kings game 4 was something else. Kobe dropped 48 points on 51% shooting, and grabbed 16 REBOUNDS :applause:



Demon got out in a big way...

[AirJordan&Magic]

Considering this has turned into 12 pages of argument, it kind of proves my point. Kobe doesn't have that one moment. If he did, this wouldn't take 12 pages.

I posted plenty of dominating performances by Kobe and left out many...the reason it turned into a 12 page argument is pretty simple.........HATERS AND TROLLS.

Thats the case with alot of threads on this site involving players like Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant.

[32jazz]

The media & fans(thankfully) aren't on the Kobe hype train like they are with MJ & other dream teamer's or those of that era.

Most players of this era don't enjoy the unconditional media lovefest those guys got so they don't run their highlights on a continuous loop & ngive them endless hype.