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Fatal9
03-03-2010, 12:43 AM
http://i49.tinypic.com/r1jyuu.jpg

was looking at pictures of Kareem/Thurmond's '72 matchup and came across this. Look at the right shoulder. did this dude have a permanent "pump" during games? Your veins shouldn't be popping out like that. Look at the left leg too, looks right out of a sculpture. I always see kblaze posting a picture of Thurmond grabbing a rebound but you only see his upper body. I didn't know he had bionic legs too.

he's the most shredded NBA player from the pics I've seen, puts david robinson to shame. almost a bit repulsive to look at how cut he is.

side note, was 1972 the greatest and deepest center field ever?

Kareem
Wilt
Cowens
Thurmond
Lanier
Unseld
Reed (though he was hurt for most of it)
Bellamy

All HOFers.

3 of the 5 best defensive centers in Kareem, Wilt, Thurmond. 2 of the top 3 centers ever. Half the league had hall of fame centers. How the fck did Kareem average 35 ppg on these guys? There are more solid defensive centers like Elmore Smith who I didn't even mention. Just mind-boggling.

edit:

http://i40.tinypic.com/292xmra.jpg

bleedinpurpleTwo
03-03-2010, 12:46 AM
quality post.
that's back when the league had real centers...lots of them.
and the were mean.
and they would foul the sh!t out of any fool coming down the lane.

pete's montreux
03-03-2010, 12:51 AM
that n*gga is farm strong

plowking
03-03-2010, 12:51 AM
Judging by that picture, I'd estimate he has somewhere around 2 or 3% body fat. That's just nuts...

inclinerator
03-03-2010, 12:53 AM
ur kidding probably 4-5 at best

bleedinpurpleTwo
03-03-2010, 12:54 AM
get this...
1972 Western Conf All-Stars included:
Kareem
Oscar
Wilt
Elvin Hayes
Bob Lanier
Jerry West
Connie Hawkins
and of course a few other big names.

that's sick.

MiseryCityTexas
03-03-2010, 01:05 AM
dudes built like a heavy weight mma fighter. not a basketball player.

catch24
03-03-2010, 01:08 AM
I can see why people think he was a hellacious defender (some say he defended Kareem the best), wow.

GollyImSoGully
03-03-2010, 01:10 AM
It is kinda repulsive.

Disaprine
03-03-2010, 01:11 AM
Nate Thurmond is underrated as hell, i remember in a youtube video where Wilt said that Nate gave him problems when ever he defended him.

Kblaze8855
03-03-2010, 01:15 AM
I watched him in a couple all star games and some games showcasing Rick Barry and his offense was nothing like I expected. His jumper was kinda wet from 18-20 feet and he was hitting them in traffic. Not exactly taking guys off the dribble but he would come down catch it around 20 one dribble pull up drain it. Had some moves around the basket too. Hes one I hate that I missed.

Fatal9
03-03-2010, 01:21 AM
http://i50.tinypic.com/264nqy9.jpg


get this...
1972 Western Conf All-Stars included:
Kareem
Oscar
Wilt
Elvin Hayes
Bob Lanier
Jerry West
Connie Hawkins
and of course a few other big names.

that's sick.
I have the full Bucks boxscores from that season. I'll post some of Kareem's splits against those guys in another thread when I have time. It's crazy what he did to some of these guys (gave Wilt 50, gave Cowens...all defensive first teamer in 70s 50+ TWICE, near 40/30 games...I mean he annihilated the league at a time when it was arguably the deepest at his position). I never understood the stupid "weak-era" talk especially for early 70s. '75 & '76 I could see (and Kareem didn't even have a chance to win a ring those years because his team collapsed during his injury) but then the merger happened and NBA got even more talent.


Nate Thurmond is underrated as hell, i remember in a youtube video where Wilt said that Nate gave him problems when ever he defended him.
Kareem too...only guy I'd say who could consistently control him. Apparently he had a nice vertical to go with his strength, and could challenge the hook and also be very physical with him. Would be one of the 5+ block guys if they kept that stat back then.

OldSchoolBBall
03-03-2010, 01:25 AM
Super low body fat %. The left leg is crazier than the arms. I've seen other pics of players (MJ, Gilmore, DRob) in motion where their legs/arms looked similarly shredded, but not *quite* that much. I also think the lack of color helps with that illusion since it provides higher contrast.

magnax1
03-03-2010, 01:34 AM
Maybe hes a robot from the future?
:eek:
David Robinson probably was too.

L.Kizzle
03-03-2010, 01:39 AM
Most underrated center from his era.

Wilt and Russell than later Kareem and Cowens and Walton. Also, Reed and Unseld and McAdoo get more talk then him. Hell, you could say Bellamy and Gilmore to some extent.

plowking
03-03-2010, 01:40 AM
http://bullsbrasil.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/nate-thurmond22.jpg

http://i1.sinaimg.cn/ty/cba/2009-07-29/U3948P6T12D4507183F44DT20090729215513.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_jMjrgDvjZHA/RtzNoWWcEiI/AAAAAAAAAzk/G1W4fvoKKr4/Graham.jpg

http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/efe215b10a_cs07032008.jpg

Just some of the more ripped NBA players that I can remember... The Maggette picture is insane...

imdaman99
03-03-2010, 01:42 AM
is that a yi picture? :lol that guy plays like such a girl though

Fatal9
03-03-2010, 01:42 AM
Anyone know his vertical leap? Very few clips of him in his prime exist, never heard of NBA ever making an "overtime" segment on him.


Super low body fat %. The left leg is crazier than the arms. I've seen other pics of players (MJ, Gilmore, DRob) in motion where their legs/arms looked similarly shredded, but not *quite* that much. I also think the lack of color helps with that illusion since it provides higher contrast.
what impressed me about that right shoulder is that he is boxing out with his left arm, so he isn't putting much pressure on it. the crazy david robinson pic is with him lifting Malone iirc and usually for players to look that shredded they have to be lifting something, pushing someone or grabbing really tightly to a rebound. Thurmond's right arm is just casually resting :eek:

L.Kizzle
03-03-2010, 01:44 AM
Post some Artis Gilmore pics someone??

RedBlackAttack
03-03-2010, 01:46 AM
Just some of the more ripped NBA players that I can remember... The Maggette picture is insane...
Don't forget about this guy...

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/4488/kevinwillisfront.jpg

That was actually a much skinnier Kevin than the 40-year-old version, but I couldn't find a good one of him when he was older. He definitely has a case as the most cut player in NBA history.

plowking
03-03-2010, 01:48 AM
Yeah. Some others include Lebron, Fisher and Dhantay Jones. Jones apparently only has 2% body fat.

OldSchoolBBall
03-03-2010, 01:58 AM
Anyone know his vertical leap? Very few clips of him in his prime exist, never heard of NBA ever making an "overtime" segment on him.


what impressed me about that right shoulder is that he is boxing out with his left arm, so he isn't putting much pressure on it. the crazy david robinson pic is with him lifting Malone iirc and usually for players to look that shredded they have to be lifting something, pushing someone or grabbing really tightly to a rebound. Thurmond's right arm is just casually resting :eek:

There's a hi-res picture of Jordan that used to be hosted on this Western Australia MJ site of him grabbing a rebound vs. Detroit circa 1990, and he's absolutely ripped. Wish I could find it, as the site has been taken down.

PistolPete
03-03-2010, 02:45 AM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4ow2Juu7nMo/STgJtMtgAzI/AAAAAAAAJ84/uzqon42PaYU/s400/Rodney-rogers.jpg

http://themixtapemonster.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/amason_300_080412.jpg

http://images.theglobeandmail.com/archives/RTGAM/images/20041201/wsportsgal120204/1_4jerome.jpg

Just some random big guys

DuMa
03-03-2010, 02:53 AM
alonzo mourning

Diesel J
03-03-2010, 03:02 AM
....

momo
03-03-2010, 03:14 AM
That's just crazy. I watched Nate some when I was young but I don't remember what his vert was like ... But it wasn't bad at all.

jlauber
03-03-2010, 03:26 AM
Great stuff Fatal9,

Other than perhaps Mose Malone in the early 80's, I don't ever recall an opposing center outplaying Kareem over the course of a season. And Kareem was on the downside of his great career at the time.

Your take on the "Golden Age of Centers" was right on, too. They had a slew of HOFers back in the early 70's. For Kareem to post multiple 30+ppg seasons (along with near 60% shooting) against those guys is testament to his offensive prowess.

InspiredLebowski
03-03-2010, 03:27 AM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4ow2Juu7nMo/STgJtMtgAzI/AAAAAAAAJ84/uzqon42PaYU/s400/Rodney-rogers.jpg

http://themixtapemonster.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/amason_300_080412.jpg

Just some random big guys
The state of these two is just saddening. Rodney Rodgers, as most of us know, is now tragically a quadriplagic after an ATV accident. Anthony Mason is just a fat **** as will be soon evidenced in the upcoming Reggie Miller/Knicks 30 for 30 documentary on ESPN.

RoseCity07
03-03-2010, 03:37 AM
One of the first Kings games the Blazers played with Oden, the Kings people were talking about comparisons. They were saying Oden might never be the next Bill Russell or David Robinson, but probably Nate Thurmond which isn't haf bad.

Don't really know a lot about the guy, but he looks crazy strong.

twolvesfan
03-03-2010, 07:33 AM
Yeah. Some others include Lebron, Fisher and Dhantay Jones. Jones apparently only has 2% body fat.
i dont believe that one bit. Professional body builders can barely get to 2% for the competitions they do. Regardless, anyone who has a low body fat + lots of muscle + exercising (such as playing basketball and getting your heart rate up) will have a lot of veins showing.

Torious
03-03-2010, 07:44 AM
Ah, the 70s. The golden age of anabolic steroids. Good times.

InspiredLebowski
03-03-2010, 07:47 AM
i dont believe that one bit. Professional body builders can barely get to 2% for the competitions they do. Regardless, anyone who has a low body fat + lots of muscle + exercising (such as playing basketball and getting your heart rate up) will have a lot of veins showing. It's true, albeit a lot closer to 3 (http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=2003&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=7)% than 2

plowking
03-03-2010, 08:01 AM
i dont believe that one bit. Professional body builders can barely get to 2% for the competitions they do. Regardless, anyone who has a low body fat + lots of muscle + exercising (such as playing basketball and getting your heart rate up) will have a lot of veins showing.

At the NBA pre measurement camp he recorded 2.6%.

RaininTwos
03-03-2010, 08:51 AM
that n*gga is farm strong
:lol

twolvesfan
03-03-2010, 10:07 AM
At the NBA pre measurement camp he recorded 2.6%.
i stand corrected then, that is insane to be able to keep your body at that low of a body fat percentage.

jstern
03-03-2010, 10:15 AM
Crappy cameras from past generations makes younger people think that it was genetically impossible for a person to be that cut. I don't see a difference in athleticism in today's players and the ones from the 90s, (And vitals stats prove it) yet people today act as if the 90s were less athletic.

ShaqAttack3234
03-03-2010, 10:24 AM
It is kinda repulsive.

That's nothing, Sylvester Stallone has veins bulging out of his stomach.

http://www.filmwad.com/fw_images/2009/01/26/sylvester-stallone-in-shape-the-expendables.jpg

Floppy
03-03-2010, 10:28 AM
You'll likely die with less than 3% body fat. Stop making up shit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_fat_percentage

Toizumi
03-03-2010, 10:36 AM
Just some of the more ripped NBA players that I can remember... The Maggette picture is insane...

And some more muscle.

http://ballersfb.nike.com/basketball_content/profile_images/andre_iguodala_1257268185.jpg

http://www.sportsbettingindex.net/sports_betting_tips/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/ben_wallace.JPG

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_oMKTP4IQneg/Suhvg_1WN1I/AAAAAAAAAJU/ENvvnhc_FSU/s640/craigsmith.jpg

http://cdn.newsone.com/files/2009/06/zo_saf1507-1.jpg

Horatio33
03-03-2010, 10:53 AM
One of the few to ever block the skyhook. And as a testament to the Dipper's physical prowess at the time, one can see below at Nate's legs trembling as he attempts to perfectly time the block just before Wilt goes up with the powerful yet graceful finger roll.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpiRo8-aKJc#t=4m0s

his legs aren't trembling, he is trying to time his jump. shuffling his feet.

Story Up
03-03-2010, 10:56 AM
Most underrated center from his era.

Wilt and Russell than later Kareem and Cowens and Walton. Also, Reed and Unseld and McAdoo get more talk then him. Hell, you could say Bellamy and Gilmore to some extent.

What exactly makes Thurmond better then any of those centers you claim get more recognition then him?

Posterize246
03-03-2010, 11:12 AM
http://i50.tinypic.com/264nqy9.jpg
That's Baron Davis in the background.

MMKM
03-03-2010, 12:07 PM
That's Baron Davis in the background.


:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :roll:

MMKM
03-03-2010, 12:09 PM
One thing to keep in mind is that black and white photos always make u look more shredded, it's a trick of the trade for bodybuilders.:rockon:

HylianNightmare
03-03-2010, 12:11 PM
That's Baron Davis in the background.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/1119/dal_a_nowitzki_324.jpg

and if we are talking about muscles :roll:

artificial
03-03-2010, 12:24 PM
That's Baron Davis in the background.
:roll: Good eyes.

Abraham Lincoln
03-03-2010, 12:33 PM
Thurmond battling Chamberlain for a rebound.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Wilt_Chamberlain_Nate_Thurmond.jpg/489px-Wilt_Chamberlain_Nate_Thurmond.jpg

Lebron23
03-03-2010, 12:35 PM
That's Baron Davis in the background.


:oldlol: :oldlol: :roll:

Baron Davis = Lucas Bishop

jlauber
03-03-2010, 12:38 PM
Interesting that, while Thurmond was a physical specimen, that he is NEVER mentioned as the strongest man of his era.

32jazz
03-03-2010, 01:24 PM
Interesting that, while Thurmond was a physical specimen, that he is NEVER mentioned as the strongest man of his era.


Love to see a little appreciation for one of the '6'6 white guys':rolleyes: that Wilt dominated for his career .

Unfortunately for Thurmond his career was overshadowed by Wilt/Russell although he was voted as a top 50 player of all time. As for as strength I think it is because his career was overlapped by Wilt & Artis Gilmore(who should be in the HOF) & they were generally considered the two strongest big men ever(Shaq is right there with them as well).


Thurmond is the 1st player in NBA history to 'officially' record a Quadruple double in 1974(Although there is no doubt Wilt had done this several times & maybe Russell as well though blks & steals were not kept in their era).

Cangri
03-03-2010, 01:40 PM
Look at all those unathletic players of the past, they would just die from fear if they played against monsters like Duncan, Dirk, Gasol, Varejao, etc.

jlauber
03-03-2010, 01:48 PM
Look at all those unathletic players of the past, they would just die from fear if they played against monsters like Duncan, Dirk, Gasol, Varejao, etc.

And don't forget Ostertag, Longley, and Breuer, either. Those three would just kill guys like Kareem, Russell, and Wilt.

ILLsmak
03-03-2010, 01:56 PM
http://i49.tinypic.com/r1jyuu.jpg

was looking at pictures of Kareem/Thurmond's '72 matchup and came across this. Look at the right shoulder. did this dude have a permanent "pump" during games? Your veins shouldn't be popping out like that. Look at the left leg too, looks right out of a sculpture. I always see kblaze posting a picture of Thurmond grabbing a rebound but you only see his upper body. I didn't know he had bionic legs too.

he's the most shredded NBA player from the pics I've seen, puts david robinson to shame. almost a bit repulsive to look at how cut he is.

side note, was 1972 the greatest and deepest center field ever?

Kareem
Wilt
Cowens
Thurmond
Lanier
Unseld
Reed (though he was hurt for most of it)
Bellamy

All HOFers.

3 of the 5 best defensive centers in Kareem, Wilt, Thurmond. 2 of the top 3 centers ever. Half the league had hall of fame centers. How the fck did Kareem average 35 ppg on these guys? There are more solid defensive centers like Elmore Smith who I didn't even mention. Just mind-boggling.

And they act like steroids are a new thing!

lol

-Smak

Joey3000
03-03-2010, 04:41 PM
this thread is gay.

Big#50
03-03-2010, 04:54 PM
i stand corrected then, that is insane to be able to keep your body at that low of a body fat percentage.
LOL Don't be dumb. He's about 8-10%. You really think he can be at 2% and be balling? 2% bf is really dangerous.

Big#50
03-03-2010, 04:57 PM
Look at all those unathletic players of the past, they would just die from fear if they played against monsters like Duncan, Dirk, Gasol, Varejao, etc.
Duncan, Gasol, Dirk have skills.

Alhazred
03-03-2010, 05:04 PM
No pics of the Mailman yet?

http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/nba/2001/1222/photo/a_malone_i.jpg

JMT
03-03-2010, 05:08 PM
quality post.
that's back when the league had real centers...lots of them.
and the were mean.
and they would foul the sh!t out of any fool coming down the lane.

Absolutely. Folks want to talk about the superior size and conditioning of players now. BS. Half today's centers are 7' jump shooters from Assbackwardstan.

Thurmond, Gilmore, Zelmo Beatty, Bellamy. All guys whose size and strength would have made them just as effective today as they were back in the day.

twolvesfan
03-03-2010, 05:26 PM
You'll likely die with less than 3% body fat. Stop making up shit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_fat_percentage
exactly which is why i am very surprised to see dahntay jones at around 2.6%

L.Kizzle
03-03-2010, 09:21 PM
What exactly makes Thurmond better then any of those centers you claim get more recognition then him?
WHo said he was better, I said he was underrated and forgotten.

lovethetriangle
03-03-2010, 10:16 PM
That's nothing, Sylvester Stallone has veins bulging out of his stomach.

http://www.filmwad.com/fw_images/2009/01/26/sylvester-stallone-in-shape-the-expendables.jpg


When did Sly get tatoos???

ShaqAttack3234
03-04-2010, 01:37 AM
When did Sly get tatoos???

I think about 2-3 years ago.

kmartshopper
03-04-2010, 01:39 AM
what the?? that's recent? Isn't he over 60?

chazzy
03-04-2010, 01:40 AM
what the?? that's recent? Isn't he over 60?

Roids

OhNoTimNoSho
03-04-2010, 03:12 AM
Its called residual tension, and his muscles have really high residual tension. They are basically ready at any moment to contract.

Ancient Legend
03-04-2010, 03:16 AM
He looks like Drexler's biological father.

http://thepulplist.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Nate_Thurmond_8x10.jpg

Story Up
03-04-2010, 01:30 PM
WHo said he was better, I said he was underrated and forgotten.

I kind of assumed you meant that; you said Thurmond didn't get mentioned as much as those other players, I am concluding that it has a lot to do with them simply being better basketball players.

Although Nate is one of my all time favorite defenders, and yeah he was a freakish athlete.

Samurai Swoosh
03-04-2010, 04:08 PM
this thread is gay.
Very

L.Kizzle
03-04-2010, 10:18 PM
I kind of assumed you meant that; you said Thurmond didn't get mentioned as much as those other players, I am concluding that it has a lot to do with them simply being better basketball players.

Although Nate is one of my all time favorite defenders, and yeah he was a freakish athlete.
All of them??

Fatal9
03-22-2010, 04:06 AM
found another one from an old SI issue...in color this time.

http://i40.tinypic.com/292xmra.jpg

O.J A 6'4Mamba
03-22-2010, 04:22 AM
the lowest ever recorded bodyfat in the NBA is 2.7% by Aaron Brooks. Guards like Derrick Rose have abou 4.7% bodyfat. just to put that in perspective. guy like Carmelo Anthony have 8-9% bodyfat.

warriorfan
03-22-2010, 06:35 PM
i love it when people say "NO ONE WAS EVEN ATHLETIC BACK THEN!"