Kobe Bryant says there's no Kobe witout Michael Jordan

[catch24]

Something you've already known obviously, but Kobe was on the Dan Patrick show about a week ago and said this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp5o5pQNo4Y

[GollyImSoGully]

He said if Michael didn't exist, he would model his game after someone else.

:rolleyes:

[catch24]

He said if Michael didn't exist, he would model his game after someone else.

:rolleyes:

And would be a COMPLETELY different player.

[Andrei89]

That's not new to many tbh.

We all know Kobe does the same moves Jordan did, he copied Jordan's game a lot, only thing is Jordan was better at it

[GollyImSoGully]

And would be a COMPLETELY different player.

Your point? I don't even see the point of the thread. If it's common knowledge, why post? It's like me posting the sun is bright. No sh!t. Oh this is part of your anti Kobe movement though. Someone has a clear agenda.

[catch24]

Your point? I don't even see the point of the thread. If it's common knowledge, why post? It's like me posting the sun is bright. No sh!t. Oh this is part of your anti Kobe movement though. Someone has a clear agenda.

Just thought I'd share given it came from the direct source. Why you mad though?

[Desperado]

There's no Michael Jordan without Dr. J....

[indiefan24]

Something you've already known obviously, but Kobe was on the Dan Patrick show about a week ago and said this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp5o5pQNo4Y

there's no kobe without James Naismith

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

no MJ without David Thompson, Dr. J and a host of others.

[Knoe Itawl]

Buuuuut I thought he idolized Magic? :confusedshrug:

[U got Served]

LOL at all the Kobe fanboys, they don't even know what to say.

[Noob Saibot]

Buuuuut I thought he idolized Magic?

HOW DARE KOBE LIE ON NATIONAL TV ON BEYOND THE GLORY!!! :rant

[GollyImSoGully]

Buuuuut I thought he idolized Magic? :confusedshrug:

I idolize Chris Paul's game but I play nothing like him.

What does idolizing someone have to do with playing like them? :rolleyes:

Kobe stans are disgusting.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

LOL at all the Kobe fanboys, they don't even know what to say.

what's to say?
its a non topic. everyone knows that all players, esp good players, learn from those before them and from their contemporaries.

[Fatal9]

really? another Kobe/MJ thread?

the last one of these "move jacking" threads turned into one exposing how Jordan stole his post moves from the 80s Celtics frontline (not that there's anything wrong with it).

[indiefan24]

I idolize Chris Paul's game but I play nothing like him.

What does idolizing someone have to do with playing like them? :rolleyes:

Kobe stans are disgusting.

stan?

[Abraham Lincoln]

no MJ without David Thompson, Dr. J and a host of others.
Not to neglect the pioneer Elgin.

http://i50.tinypic.com/2rftxc9.jpg

[Allstar24]

So what? Kobe also told a reporter last week that he wouldn't be who he is without Jerry West. He also said he idolizes Magic. He says a lot of things...

[TimeConfidence]

Of course, Kobe copies everything from Jordan. Kobe is one of the most unoriginal players ever.

[kobesabi]

There's no Michael Jordan without Dr. J....
There's no Dr. J without Dr. Pepper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45CtQxlvnhM

[KingLeBronJames]

Jason Kidd idolizes Magic and plays like him.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Buuuuut I thought he idolized Magic? :confusedshrug:
I know right ... hahaha

I'm glad he just finally stopped the obvious BS

[Bandito]

People are stupid. If he does play like Jordan as long as he gets his points everything is good. If he actually fail at it or anything then I would be like, noob! or something like that. True he's not as good as the real deal but he's still good nonetheless as he is like top 10 in league if not top 3.

[GollyImSoGully]

I know right ... hahaha

I'm glad he just finally stopped the obvious BS

So you have to play like someone you idolize? Oh wait you can only have 1 idol :oldlol:

What can I expect from a dufus that says you have to make a spin move with two hands?

:confusedshrug:

[Bandito]

So you have to play like someone you idolize? Oh wait you can only have 1 idol :oldlol:

What can I expect from a dufus that says you have to make a spin move with two hands?

:confusedshrug:
You have? I always make my spin moves with one hand.:lol

[plowking]

really? another Kobe/MJ thread?

the last one of these "move jacking" threads turned into one exposing how Jordan stole his post moves from the 80s Celtics frontline (not that there's anything wrong with it).

U SO MAD RIGHT NOW. :oldlol:

[GollyImSoGully]

You have? I always make my spin moves with one hand.:lol

That's what that dude says. I've made spin moves with one hand all the time but to him spin move with one hand = carry.

Hmmm

Chancey Billups does it almost every game. Rafer Alston does it too. Never gets called for a travel.

[Samurai Swoosh]

So you have to play like someone you idolize? Oh wait you can only have 1 idol :oldlol:
He just finally admitted he based his game off Jordan's. When he used to skip around the question, knowing he plays just like him / same mannerisms and everything. And would proceed to say how he idolized and wanted to play like Magic Johnson.

:oldlol:


What can I expect from a dufus that says you have to make a spin move with two hands?
To continue your dribble off a spin move the ball has to be in the opposite hand than the one that intiated the spin move. It's common knowledge for anyone who actually plays the game, and doesn't simply try to talk about it and act like they know what they're talking about. I.E. you and good portion of these message boards.

[GollyImSoGully]

To continue your dribble off a spin move the ball has to be in the opposite hand than the one that intiated the spin move.

Wrong.

[Samurai Swoosh]

You have? I always make my spin moves with one hand.:lol
Dude doesn't even know what he's talking about ... and obviously neither do you. Yes, you make the spin with one hand, but after the spin is complete you can't keep dribbling with the same hand that intiated the spin move or its a carry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fatrxk9C4EQ

[Samurai Swoosh]

Wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fatrxk9C4EQ

Watch and learn, dumb ass.

You've probably never played in your life.

Show me a video where someone does a complete spin with either the right hand or the left hand and continues dribbling with such hand, without ever switching over to the opposite hand 1st.

You won't find it, cause it's not legal.

[Heilige]

He just finally admitted he based his game off Jordan's. When he used to skip around the question, knowing he plays just like him / same mannerisms and everything. And would proceed to say how he idolized and wanted to play like Magic Johnson.

:oldlol:


To continue your dribble off a spin move the ball has to be in the opposite hand than the one that intiated the spin move. It's common knowledge for anyone who actually plays the game, and doesn't simply try to talk about it and act like they know what they're talking about. I.E. you and good portion of these message boards.


This isn't the first time Kobe admitted to basing his game off of Jordan.

[Doranku]

Better topic: There is no Knoe without Kobe. Dude would have offed himself by now because he would have no one to dedicate his life to.

[Roundball_Rock]

There's no Michael Jordan without Dr. J....

And without Baylor would there have been a Dr. J? Without Mikan would the NBA have survived? And so on. Why the need to ascribe special significance to Jordan? There is only one athlete who has had that kind of impact on his sport: Jackie Robinson. Jordan was another great player. And? There are one or two every generation. He did not revolutionize the sport.

The world constantly borrows from the past. This is not limited to players emulating Jordan (and MJ is not the only retired player current players emulate. Kobe, for instance, has called Magic his idol and called Pippen his hero in the past). Inventions constantly build upon past inventions. Without the wheel there would be no car. History in general heavily uses borrowing. Without ancient Rome, there would be no American republic. Without Judaism, there would be no Christianity or Islam.

While we are here can we stop calling Lebron LBJ? Without the real LBJ Lebron would not be the icon he is today--neither would Kobe and yes, not even Jordan.


So you have to play like someone you idolize? Oh wait you can only have 1 idol

:roll:

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Of course, Kobe copies everything from Jordan. Kobe is one of the most unoriginal players ever.

:ohwell:

[Dave3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fatrxk9C4EQ

Watch and learn, dumb ass.

You've probably never played in your life.

Show me a video where someone does a complete spin with either the right hand or the left hand and continues dribbling with such hand, without ever switching over to the opposite hand 1st.

You won't find it, cause it's not legal.
Why are you arguing with a troll who's been banned more than 5 times? When you argue with idiots, they bring you down with them.

[Knoe Itawl]

As usual, Kobe Freaks don't get the point. It isn't that he idolized Jordan (DUH!), it's that he used to play down how much he did a well as say he idolized Magic growing up and make no mention of the OBVIOUS. I remember on one show his high school girlfriend said he would frequently want to stay home watching Come Fly With Me and Bulls games over and over. :oldlol:

Also, it points out the strange phenomenon of Kobe Freaks disliking Jordan even though Kobe idolized him and is a much better player than Kobe is. Like I said before, it would be like idolizing a really good Michael Jackson impersonator but hating Michael Jackson. :oldlol:

But as intelligent people know, Kobe Freaks make no sense.

[Bandito]

Dude doesn't even know what he's talking about ... and obviously neither do you. Yes, you make the spin with one hand, but after the spin is complete you can't keep dribbling with the same hand that intiated the spin move or its a carry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fatrxk9C4EQ
Ohh so that's what you meant. I meant when you do the spin not after the spin is made. After the spin is made because the hand you made the spin with is in the other side of the ball you have to use your other hand to dribble. It's pretty much common sense. And yes you would carry the ball if you use the same hand.

You have to learn to explain better dude.

[indiefan24]

As usual, Kobe Freaks don't get the point. It isn't that he idolized Jordan (DUH!), it's that he used to play down how much he did a well as say he idolized Magic growing up and make no mention of the OBVIOUS. I remember on one show his high school girlfriend said he would frequently want to stay home watching Come Fly With Me and Bulls games over and over. :oldlol:

Also, it points out the strange phenomenon of Kobe Freaks disliking Jordan even though Kobe idolized him and is a much better player than Kobe is. Like I said before, it would be like idolizing a really good Michael Jackson impersonator but hating Michael Jackson. :oldlol:

But as intelligent people know, Kobe Freaks make no sense.

you sound like those guys over on politico. just replace kobe with "liberal"

[Da_Realist]

As usual, Kobe Freaks don't get the point. It isn't that he idolized Jordan (DUH!), it's that he used to play down how much he did a well as say he idolized Magic growing up and make no mention of the OBVIOUS. I remember on one show his high school girlfriend said he would frequently want to stay home watching Come Fly With Me and Bulls games over and over. :oldlol:

Also, it points out the strange phenomenon of Kobe Freaks disliking Jordan even though Kobe idolized him and is a much better player than Kobe is. Like I said before, it would be like idolizing a really good Michael Jackson impersonator but hating Michael Jackson. :oldlol:

But as intelligent people know, Kobe Freaks make no sense.

:oldlol:

[Knoe Itawl]

you sound like those guys over on politico. just replace kobe with "liberal"

Actually, I'm not referring to Kobe FANS. There is a specific group of Kobe worshipper who is more like a cult member, than a fan.

[Allstar24]

As usual, Kobe Freaks don't get the point. It isn't that he idolized Jordan (DUH!), it's that he used to play down how much he did a well as say he idolized Magic growing up and make no mention of the OBVIOUS. I remember on one show his high school girlfriend said he would frequently want to stay home watching Come Fly With Me and Bulls games over and over. :oldlol:

Also, it points out the strange phenomenon of Kobe Freaks disliking Jordan even though Kobe idolized him and is a much better player than Kobe is. Like I said before, it would be like idolizing a really good Michael Jackson impersonator but hating Michael Jackson. :oldlol:

But as intelligent people know, Kobe Freaks make no sense.
Yeah...because you make so much sense :oldlol:

[Doranku]

As usual, Kobe Freaks don't get the point. It isn't that he idolized Jordan (DUH!), it's that he used to play down how much he did a well as say he idolized Magic growing up and make no mention of the OBVIOUS. I remember on one show his high school girlfriend said he would frequently want to stay home watching Come Fly With Me and Bulls games over and over. :oldlol:

Also, it points out the strange phenomenon of Kobe Freaks disliking Jordan even though Kobe idolized him and is a much better player than Kobe is. Like I said before, it would be like idolizing a really good Michael Jackson impersonator but hating Michael Jackson. :oldlol:

But as intelligent people know, Kobe Freaks make no sense.

Jesus, dude. I bet 95% of Kobe fans didn't even know that. Seek help, you're more obsesed with him than they are. :roll:

[ProfessorMurder]

Jordan was another great player. And? There are one or two every generation. He did not revolutionize the sport.

Really? I bet Pippen did though, right?

[Roundball_Rock]

As we know, this is the first time in history a great has committed the crime of downplaying the influence a preceding great had on him. :roll: I won't even bother listing several examples but since I mentioned LBJ I'll use him. Part of the reason he implemented the Great Society was that he wanted to be better than and have a larger social program than FDR. And? Does that matter? Should he have named the Medicare bill the "I want to be better than my hero FDR" bill? :oldlol:

There are psychological factors involved, especially when it comes to competitive freaks like a Kobe or Jordan or outside of sports Lyndon Johnson.

This is so common I am amused at how this is controversial in the realm of basketball, at least to Jordan fans. Pick any field and you will find the same thing. Take military tactics. Do you think the tactics of, say, Napoleon are not taught in military academies around the world? "Pre-emptive" war. Do you think Cheney and co. invented that concept? "Blitzkrieg." Hitler invented the concept of rapidly overwhelming nations? How about another field? Music. Elvis came out the blue all by himself? Michael Jackson was mentioned in this thread. Did he invent the moonwalk?

[hassano]

Also, it points out the strange phenomenon of Kobe Freaks disliking Jordan even though Kobe idolized him and is a much better player than Kobe is. Like I said before, it would be like idolizing a really good Michael Jackson impersonator but hating Michael Jackson.

:roll: :applause:

[Glide2keva]

[...]I remember on one show his high school girlfriend said he would frequently want to stay home watching Come Fly With Me and Bulls games over and over. :oldlol:

Also, it points out the strange phenomenon of Kobe Freaks disliking Jordan even though Kobe idolized him and is a much better player than Kobe is. Like I said before, it would be like idolizing a really good Michael Jackson impersonator but hating Michael Jackson.:oldlol:

But as intelligent people know, Kobe Freaks make no sense.

That last bit, was awesome!

[GollyImSoGully]

Jesus, dude. I bet 95% of Kobe fans didn't even know that. Seek help, you're more obsesed with him than they are. :roll:

:roll:

Knoee hates Kobe but knows more than the average stan he hates. Hmmm...

[Glide2keva]

Well you can't dislike something without any knowledge of it, that's just ignorant and would make him a hater.

He has proof of what he speaks and that makes him a conscientious dissenter.

There's a difference

[GollyImSoGully]

Well you can't dislike something without any knowledge of it, that's just ignorant and would make him a hater.

He has proof of what he speaks and that makes him a conscientious dissenter.

There's a difference

Gulp Gulp Gulp

[Glide2keva]

Gulp Gulp Gulp
I stand corrected, that was ignorant.

[YAWN]

I remember on one show his high school girlfriend said he would frequently want to stay home watching Come Fly With Me and Bulls games over and over. :oldlol:

how is kobe sitting around watching hours of footage in an effort to learn and get better a bad thing? if what you're saying is true, this was before he was even payed to play the game..

[Younggrease]

how is kobe sitting around watching hours of footage in an effort to learn and get better a bad thing? if what you're saying is true, this was before he was even payed to play the game..

god forbid the next great big man talent sits around and watches Tim Duncan play for hours....

[SoCalMike]

how is kobe sitting around watching hours of footage in an effort to learn and get better a bad thing? if what you're saying is true, this was before he was even payed to play the game..

one is best served ignoring the source of that post.



:pimp:

[Glide2keva]

how is kobe sitting around watching hours of footage in an effort to learn and get better a bad thing? if what you're saying is true, this was before he was even payed to play the game..
I think you can interpret that as he was obsessed with study MJ's moves so that he could copy each one of them move for move.

Remember in 1996 when the Bulls were beating the snot out of every team?

In one home game in Chicago against the Lakers, the Bulls had such a huge lead that it was as they called it at one time on ESPN, "Kobe Time" which was actually garbage time.

Mike was icing his knees and Kobe was on the court ball hogging and showing off his moves for MJ watching from the bench. He was trying to impress the GOAT and Mike just looked at him like "whatever kid".

Kobe stans hate this fact, that Kobe wasn't the man on his team from day one and he had to ride the pine for a few years.

[Bandito]

how is kobe sitting around watching hours of footage in an effort to learn and get better a bad thing? if what you're saying is true, this was before he was even payed to play the game..
The only player that deserves to imitate MJ is apparently Lebron these days.:roll:

[GollyImSoGully]

I think you can interpret that as he was obsessed with study MJ's moves so that he could copy each one of them move for move.

Remember in 1996 when the Bulls were beating the snot out of every team?

In one home game in Chicago against the Lakers, the Bulls had such a huge lead that it was as they called it at one time on ESPN, "Kobe Time" which was actually garbage time.

Mike was icing his knees and Kobe was on the court ball hogging and showing off his moves for MJ watching from the bench. He was trying to impress the GOAT and Mike just looked at him like "whatever kid".

Kobe stans hate this fact, that Kobe wasn't the man on his team from day one and he had to ride the pine for a few years.

Things people make up these days. Kobe was a bench player because he was a teen that was not good enough to beat out Eddie Jones who was an all star at that time. You guys act like Kobe was behind Jon Barry on the depth chart.

[thejumpa]

Things people make up these days. Kobe was a bench player because he was a teen that was not good enough to beat out Eddie Jones who was an all star at that time. You guys act like Kobe was behind Jon Barry on the depth chart.

That's pretty much what he just said.

[Roundball_Rock]

Things people make up these days. Kobe was a bench player because he was a teen that was not good enough to beat out Eddie Jones who was an all star at that time. You guys act like Kobe was behind Jon Barry on the depth chart.

It is ironic to hear a Jordan fan talk about people trying to "hide" seasons, isn't it? :D

[Glide2keva]

Things people make up these days. Kobe was a bench player because he was a teen that was not good enough to beat out Eddie Jones who was an all star at that time. You guys act like Kobe was behind Jon Barry on the depth chart.

What part of that wasn't true? Tell me, I'd like to know because I watched every Bulls game since 1986 until present, haven't missed one and was even in the building for the game in question, so please, tell me what isn't true about what I said.

No matter who he was behind, fact is he was a cocky, arrogant, bench-warmer when he got to the league.

A talented, cocky, arrogant bench-warmer obviously, but a cocky, arrogant bench-warmer just the same.

Worked out for him, so why are you so upset about it?

[Fatal9]

again, Kobe should deservedly be hated on for copying Jordan's mannerisms, especially early in his career. it's actually pretty weird. BUT, it is completely ignorant to hate on him for "move jacking" when Jordan has done the same thing. there was thread on this not to long ago, and Jordan fans were literally claiming the most textbook moves as being "Jordan's" and others moves of his were done by Bird/McHale (which he probably picked up while getting swept yearly). I've even encountered fans of Jordan who think he invented the "shake and fade" :oldlol:. the hypocrisy and ignorance coming from his fanbase, especially on this board, never ceases to amaze me.

[Glide2keva]

It is ironic to hear a Jordan fan talk about people trying to "hide" seasons, isn't it? :D
Who's hiding what, oh godfather of all basketball knowledge?

[YAWN]

I think you can interpret that as he was obsessed with study MJ's moves so that he could copy each one of them move for move.

Remember in 1996 when the Bulls were beating the snot out of every team?

In one home game in Chicago against the Lakers, the Bulls had such a huge lead that it was as they called it at one time on ESPN, "Kobe Time" which was actually garbage time.

Mike was icing his knees and Kobe was on the court ball hogging and showing off his moves for MJ watching from the bench. He was trying to impress the GOAT and Mike just looked at him like "whatever kid".

Kobe stans hate this fact, that Kobe wasn't the man on his team from day one and he had to ride the pine for a few years.

first off, i cant believe i really typed "payed" instead of paid in my previous post :oldlol:

second i don't see what is wrong with watching tape to get better. Every guy in every professional sport does it. You're criticizing a 16 year old kid for studying the game in an effort to get better..

Kobe was like 17 in 1996 and there were two other all stars in the back court. Every lakers fan loved nick and EJ. Most still do, two of my favorite players of all time.. Why would anyone be mad that the 17 year old kid wansn't thrown into the fire, and instead was forced to learn from them and become the superstar all time great player that he became?

Not to throw it to another sport, but look at what happened to guys like Matt Leinart when thrown to the fire before they are ready, and look at Aaron Rodgers now and where he is going to go throughout the rest of his career.

[Younggrease]

No matter who he was behind, fact is he was a cocky, arrogant, bench-warmer when he got to the league.

A talented, cocky, arrogant bench-warmer obviously, but a cocky, arrogant beanh-warmer just the same.

Worked out for him, so why are you so upset about it?

wasnt he also an all star? just saying

[Knoe Itawl]

how is kobe sitting around watching hours of footage in an effort to learn and get better a bad thing? if what you're saying is true, this was before he was even payed to play the game..

Reading comprehension is so key in communicating. When did I say it was a bad thing? I'm sure millions of Jordan fans did. I just think it's funny that he said he idolized Magic but no mention of him watching Magic religiously by someone who spent a lot of time with him.

[Glide2keva]

wasnt he also an all star? just saying
On a popularity vote by the fans, I believe, I could be mistaken though.

[YAWN]

Reading comprehension is so key in communicating. When did I say it was a bad thing? I'm sure millions of Jordan fans did. I just think it's funny that he said he idolized Magic but no mention of him watching Magic religiously by someone who spent a lot of time with him.

you posted the laughing smiley as to give off a mocking and negative connotation.. Im sure Kobe also watched tapes of magic, bird, hakeem, kareem, baylor, etc etc. Because he never issued a statement about all the players he admired and studied we should bash him?

[Glide2keva]

again, Kobe should deservedly be hated on for copying Jordan's mannerisms, especially early in his career. it's actually pretty weird. BUT, it is completely ignorant to hate on him for "move jacking" when Jordan has done the same thing. there was thread on this not to long ago, and Jordan fans were literally claiming the most textbook moves as being "Jordan's" and others moves of his were done by Bird/McHale (which he probably picked up while getting swept yearly). I've even encountered fans of Jordan who think he invented the "shake and fade" :oldlol:. the hypocrisy and ignorance coming from his fanbase, especially on this board, never ceases to amaze me.
Well those people are just stupid.

I have never said anything about shooting fade away's. I have said he copied the way he walked, talked, back-peddled after long jumpers, the way he dunked, shot the ball, even down to his celebration (you know, the half-raised fist?)

Anyone saying anything else is on some ignorant,*not knowing anything about basketball shit.

To be fair, during that time, everyone copied MJ's moves, if you have the physique for it, which Kobe did, he was the first to really be successfull at it.

[Roundball_Rock]

To be fair, during that time, everyone copied MJ's moves, if you have the physique for it, which Kobe did, he was the first to really be successfull at it.

Yes, and MJ was the only player--whether retired or active at the time--who was ever emulated in the 90's. Another reason he is the CLEAR GOAT. :bowdown:

[Fatal9]

To be fair, during that time, everyone copied MJ's moves, if you have the physique for it, which Kobe did, he was the first to really be successfull at it.
that's the key point. the reason Kobe's "move jacking" comes off more apparent than say some moves MJ probably stole is because Kobe's body type is so similar to him. meanwhile MJ was taking his inspiration from the likes of McHale, Bird, who are nothing like him physically/athletically, and it makes it harder to spot, especially if you haven't seen much of those players.

there's no excuse for other things though...the way he talks, the wristband at the exact location as MJs, the mannerisms and so on.

[Knoe Itawl]

If millions of people who play basketball could approximate Jordan's game, they would. No problem there. Just give credit, don't try to hide it (especially when it's that blatant) and don't jack the man's PERSONA, get your own personality.

And like I also said, I've had to hear from a lot of the Kobe crowd how he never did those things and how he idolized Magic and a lot of other nonsense instead of, once again, admitting the OBVIOUS.

[97 bulls]

Reading comprehension is so key in communicating. When did I say it was a bad thing? I'm sure millions of Jordan fans did. I just think it's funny that he said he idolized Magic but no mention of him watching Magic religiously by someone who spent a lot of time with him.

i remember during that rape accusation that kobe was going through. cnn interviewed kobes x and they asked her what a typical night with kobe was like. she said that they woukl watch footage of michael jordan

[Roundball_Rock]

and don't jack the man's PERSONA, get your own personality.


"FDR. LBJ. FDR. LBJ. Get it?"-Lyndon Johnson

Obama is ripping off JFK and Lincoln, especially the former (Clinton also copied JFK, his childhood hero and it is no coincidence he was one of the few public people to emphasis his middle name--"Jefferson"). People actually think this is cool. Personally I don't care either way. If I were a hardcore JFK, Jordan, FDR, or a fan of anyone else who was copied so closely I would be glad. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, no? Jordan fans should be proud. The fact that a player of Kobe's caliber modeled himself so much after Jordan is a testament to Jordan's greatness, not some sort of mysterious threat to it.

[thejumpa]

SMH at anyone arguing the obvious. Kobe wanted to be MJ back then and wants to be him now. Sure, he has his own legacy but you don't think he hears the talk? He knows what it takes to get to that level and has turned it up a notch I believe in the last 2-4 years. What he doesn't realize is that it's obvious. Not obvious that he patterened his game after MJ, but straight copied it. He's done it very well, and I commend him for that, but damn....get your own game!

[Knoe Itawl]

"FDR. LBJ. FDR. LBJ. Get it?"-Lyndon Johnson

Obama is ripping off JFK and Lincoln, especially the former. People actually think this is cool. Personally I don't care either way. If I were a hardcore JFK, Jordan, FDR, or a fan of anyone else who was copied so closely I would be glad. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, no? Jordan fans should be proud. The fact that a player of Kobe's caliber modeled himself so much after Jordan is a testament to Jordan's greatness, not some sort of mysterious threat to it.

You sure type a lot of bullshyt in your quest to take Jordan down a peg. Millions of people are sure going around talking about how Obama's PERSONALITY is just like JFK, FDR, etc. right? I sure think of Kennedy whenever I see Obama speak. :oldlol:

Even your buttbuddy Fatal admitted that Kobe deserved ridicule for that. (not that he believes it, but he occassionally makes a bid to seem reasonable as he did here). There's a difference between aping Jordan's playing style and the man's persona. You'll pretend you don't understand that though which is why I'm done responding to you on this because you're playing games.

[Roundball_Rock]

Millions of people are sure going around talking about how Obama's PERSONALITY is just like JFK, FDR, etc. right?

Where were you early in 2009? :confusedshrug: (assuming you are an American)

Obama did not copy FDR; that was LBJ. Johnson did it down to minor details like wanting to be referred to by his three initials and to the big stuff, like favoring social programs. He believed in his policies but part of his motivation was he wanted his Great Society to be bigger and better than FDR's New Deal. Good. We got a lot of great things because of that ambition.


There's a difference between aping Jordan's playing style and the man's persona.

Yes--hence the FDR and Obama analogies. They copied much of their policies and persona, especially Obama and JFK. FDR/LBJ could go only so far since one came from a wealthy background and the other a relatively poor one. Politically it always pays to emphasis coming from nothing. Where did that start? Andrew Jackson and zillions of American politicians have copied that since 1824. Is that wrong? :confusedshrug:

[LA_Showtime]

kobe idolized jordan? shocking.

there are some crazy kobe fanatics.

there are equally crazy jordan fans. some of them can't get over the fact he's retired. they downplay kobe every chance they get. (oldschoolbball)

then there are kobe haters who dislike the fans more than the players but come off as bitter and stupid. (knoe)

[Disaprine]

:lol

Of course, Kobe copies everything from Jordan. Kobe is one of the most unoriginal players ever.
:roll:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kPH0ZxIXBA8/SqkYJor8qoI/AAAAAAAABoM/5gHTnSsx4rM/s400/KOBE+UMAD.jpg

:roll:

[Jasper]

And would be a COMPLETELY different player.

Kobe 'Loyd "World" b Free' Bryant

[LA_Showtime]

Something you've already known obviously, but Kobe was on the Dan Patrick show about a week ago and said this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp5o5pQNo4Y

what's the point of this thread? obviously kobe would not play like mike if there was no mike. joe wouldn't look like his father don if don didn't exist. no shit...?

[Knoe Itawl]

Where were you early in 2009? :confusedshrug: (assuming you are an American)

I'm going to go against what I said this once and then I really am done. People were saying that Obama had the CHARISMA of JFK, and that he was young, articulate and had a tendency to inspire hope in people, especially young people and that was similar. They weren't saying Obama tried to cop a Boston accent and his mannerisms. Again, you type a lot of bullshyt.

MANY people noticed how Kobe copied MJ's mannerisms on the court, and that wasn't admirable which is why he got called out for it. Something even one of the largest Bryant psychophants in Fatal admits. Obama has his own distinct personality regardless of his influences, which you know but as you often do, you're going to bullshyt and say you don't see the difference.

Obama did not copy FDR; that was LBJ. Johnson did it down to minor details like wanting to be referred to by his three initials and to the big stuff, like favoring social programs. He believed in his policies but part of his motivation was he wanted his Great Society to be bigger and better than FDR's New Deal. Good. We got a lot of great things because of that ambition.

Yes--hence the FDR and Obama analogies. They copied much of their policies and persona, especially Obama and JFK. FDR/LBJ could go only so far since one came from a wealthy background and the other a relatively poor one. Politically it always pays to emphasis coming from nothing. Where did that start? Andrew Jackson and zillions of American politicians have copied that since 1824. Is that wrong? :confusedshrug:

Longwinded nonsense that is just another one of your inane analogies. Like when you go on for pages about race car drivers and no one gives a shyt.

[Jasper]

Something you've already known obviously, but Kobe was on the Dan Patrick show about a week ago and said this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp5o5pQNo4Y

Quite frankly Kobe gave MJ the ultimate compliment.

nuff said.

[LA_Showtime]

kobe used to watch video of michael jordan with his girlfriend? wow.

watch kobe leave the lakers and sign with the bobcats.

[catch24]

what's the point of this thread? obviously kobe would not play like mike if there was no mike. joe wouldn't look like his father don if don didn't exist. no shit...?

Coming from Kobe, it's actually refreshing seeing him pay homage to Jordan. Years past he refused to acknowledge Jordan had so much impact on his game (albeit, he did say MJ taught him a few moves etc). Why are people asking what the "point" of this thread was? Not my fault you idiots argue like a bunch of children.

[Roundball_Rock]

People were saying that Obama had the CHARISMA of JFK, and that he was young, articulate and had a tendency to inspire hope in people, especially young people and that was similar. They weren't saying Obama tried to cop a Boston accent and his mannerism

:wtf:

In addition to what you mentioned, some of which were substantive things like the ability to inspire people, there was a lot of talk about him copying the whole "Camelot" image of JFK, even to the point of having his wife compared to JFK's. Of course he is not 100% the same as JFK. Of course he was not going to adopt a Boston accent. Kobe is not 100% the same as Jordan either. The point is both made a concerted effort, out of admiration, to copy another legend. Obama also has wrapped himself in the mantle of Lincoln. Does that mean he is going to start to wear stove pipe hats? No. That means he will try to connect himself as often as possible to Lincoln, as he has done for years, and has adopted some of Abe's concepts, such as the idea of having political rivals in key cabinet posts.

Of course the race car driver analogies do not work for you. Some drivers are only great winners when they have great teams around them. ; )

[TryToBeUnbias]

Coming from Kobe, it's actually refreshing seeing him pay homage to Jordan. Years past he refused to acknowledge Jordan had so much impact on his game (albeit, he did say MJ taught him a few moves etc). Why are people asking what the "point" of this thread was? Not my fault you idiots argue like a bunch of children.
I dont get were all the hate is coming from I thought MJ fans wanted kobe to admit something along the lines of this :confusedshrug:

[catch24]

I dont get were all the hate is coming from I thought MJ fans wanted kobe to admit something along the lines of this :confusedshrug:

Same. Even so, it's not a big deal, just thought it was interesting coming from Kobe himself you know?

[TryToBeUnbias]

Same. Even so, it's not a big deal, just thought it was interesting coming from Kobe himself you know?
Yeah it took him a while but he finally said it out loud lol.

[Fatal9]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyCBo3QZ9fE&#t=40s

^ interview from several years ago

"Magic is my idol, but Michael Jordan is the player that I learned from the most."

he's admitted this for years so not sure why this thread was necessary at all (especially right after another Kobe/MJ thread from OP a couple of days ago). Is what he said really that hard to understand? Makes this clown knoeitawl come off even more as a joke for not being able to grasp something so simple.

[TimeConfidence]

I was surprised Kobe didn't self-proclaim himself as Air Jordan. That's why I love it when the Lakers play the Magic, both team's best players are completely unoriginal.

[catch24]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyCBo3QZ9fE&#t=40s

^ interview from several years ago

"Magic is my idol, but Michael Jordan is the player that I learned from the most."

he's admitted this for years so not sure why this thread was necessary at all (especially right after another Kobe/MJ thread from OP a couple of days ago). Is what he said really that hard to understand? Makes this clown knoeitawl come off even more as a joke for not being able to grasp something so simple.

True, but what he said in my OP was a tad different (i've seen that video you posted anyway): "My game would be no where near it is today without Michael, to me it's laughable to hear that comparison", "My game is built from his game". Little bit of a difference there, fatal.

[Fatal9]

Buuuuut I thought he idolized Magic? :confusedshrug:

I just think it's funny that he said he idolized Magic but no mention of him watching Magic religiously by someone who spent a lot of time with him.

And like I also said, I've had to hear from a lot of the Kobe crowd how he never did those things and how he idolized Magic and a lot of other nonsense instead of, once again, admitting the OBVIOUS.

:oldlol:

[catch24]

lol, thought Knoeitawl's dislike for Jelly Bean was commonly known?

[Disaprine]

:oldlol:
:oldlol:

[ILLsmak]

He even sounds like MJ when he talks. Dude is probably in the mirror practicing...

Patterning your game after someone and completely jocking their style are two different things. Don't you kind of cringe every time Dwight does a signature Shaq dunk? I do... same with Kobe doing a MJ fade away.

Every NBA player obviously idolized an NBA player before them... and learned from them, but Kobe really took that too seriously. He tried to BE Jordan.

If you name a bunch of the other great players in the NBA today... D Wade, LeBron, Melo, KD... I don't see them doing anything that is an exact replica of another player.

And to speak on an earlier point about spin moves... I'd go as far as to say it's impossible to do a spin move without carrying... everyone who does a spin move uses the energy of the spin to hold the ball in their hand. Go out and try to do a spin move without the ball sticking in your hand. You'd have to be some sort of a dribbling savant to keep your dribble while spinning . It's possible, but nobody in the NBA does it. You'd probably get stripped easily. That's one of the advantages of it: nobody can rip you while the ball is stuck to your hand.

-Smak

[HansMoleman]

I idolize Chris Paul's game but I play nothing like him.

What does idolizing someone have to do with playing like them? :rolleyes:

Kobe stans are disgusting.

did you just call someone else a kobe stan?

[catch24]

I don't get into all that "sounds like Jordan", "walks like him" "chews his gum like him" crap, but his game is a perfect replica to Jordan as there's ever been (well, sort of :oldlol:).

[ILLsmak]

I don't get into all that "sounds like Jordan", "walks like him" "chews his gum like him" crap, but his game is a perfect replica to Jordan as there's ever been (well, sort of :oldlol:).

I dunno... he really does sound like him. Or I always thought he did. Let's say it seems like he has patterned his voice after MJ's as well. haha.

-Smak

[TimeConfidence]

It's obvious, Kobe changed his voice to sound like Jordan. I mean really. He use to sound like a cocky punk and all of a sudden he sounds like a low-voiced, laid-back player?

Jordan-wanna-be FTF.

[artest 93]

Jesus, dude. I bet 95% of Kobe fans didn't even know that. Seek help, you're more obsesed with him than they are. :roll:

That's all you got? That guy has more logic and reason than all you stans combined. But then again, that's not saying much. The emoticons won't make your stupidity less obvious, either. I bet you didn't know that.

[plowking]

I was surprised Kobe didn't self-proclaim himself as Air Jordan. That's why I love it when the Lakers play the Magic, both team's best players are completely unoriginal.

:oldlol:

RG throwing in random insults at Howard where ever he can.

[SAKOTXA]

:oldlol:

RG throwing in random insults at Howard where ever he can.

Lol aren't some of these haters worse than Kobe homers?

[Knoe Itawl]

:oldlol:

Goodness you're a simpleton. I never said that he didn't SAY he idolized Magic. I commented on how he tried to downplay the obvious Jordan influence earlier in his career (something everyone with a BRAIN pointed out, but a lot of his fans denied) and I pointed out how someone close to him (his girlfriend at the time) said he spent hours watching Jordan, no mention of his "idol" Magic. No mention of how he wouldn't be the player he is today and blah blah blah without Magic. It seems like he spent much more time watching Jordan than his own idol. This seems to point to the whole "Magic" thing being contrived. Sure, he probably liked Magic a lot but from his game, to his mannerisms on the court, he copied Jordan (which you even admitted). Wonder why it wasn't Magic? :confusedshrug:

I've also had to endure your brethren say over the years that he doesn't play like Mike, that Magic was his idol, that he didn't try to jack his mannerisms, etc. All of those things are blatant falsehoods perpetrated by your weirdo ilk when you examine the evidence. You're trying to feign common sense on the mannerisms jacking thing, but some people STILL deny it.

Oh, and I also pointed out how ridiculous it is to hate Jordan yet love the player he imitated, but couldn't be better than. It would seem to me that if you liked the imitators game, you would like the original, and best. Makes no sense.

[Vragrant]

This is why i don't understand why some Kobe fans try to diminish MJ's accomplishments. No Jordan, there is no Kobe as we know it, simple as that.

[Scribbles]

Lol@ all you Kobe haters. I model how I do maths like my teacher does. Sue me.

[skaterbasist]

Of course, Kobe copies everything from Jordan. Kobe is one of the most unoriginal players ever.

Have you thought about your own statement?

What's "original" after multiple decades of basketball, thousands of NBA players, and dozens of legends?

:rolleyes:

[OhNoTimNoSho]

Omg Kobe Pointed Out A General Observation. Wowowow Lets Fight Over It

[HansMoleman]

lets all burn kobe at the stake

[TryToBeUnbias]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyCBo3QZ9fE&#t=40s

^ interview from several years ago

"Magic is my idol, but Michael Jordan is the player that I learned from the most."

he's admitted this for years so not sure why this thread was necessary at all (especially right after another Kobe/MJ thread from OP a couple of days ago). Is what he said really that hard to understand? Makes this clown knoeitawl come off even more as a joke for not being able to grasp something so simple.
:wtf: now I really dont understand all the years bitching about this.

[ILLsmak]

Omg Kobe Pointed Out A General Observation. Wowowow Lets Fight Over It

Yea, I'd rather hear what happened that night in colorado...

-Smak

[AirJordan&Magic]

I don't get into all that "sounds like Jordan", "walks like him" "chews his gum like him" crap, but his game is a perfect replica to Jordan as there's ever been (well, sort of :oldlol:).

LOL....:oldlol: this.

I can understand the mannerisms and of course style of play (Its obvious). But some of the stuff idiots come with is so delusional.

The chewing gum, sounds like him, and walk like him crap is the most pathetic. :oldlol:

I mean, seriously, chewing gum?:wtf: ......:oldlol: , I've watched old school footage of the Bucks vs Lakers series in 1971 and I saw young Kareem chewing gum the same exact way. :oldlol: ......Are we this pathetic?

Kobe actually does sound like Mj, sort of.

I just wanted to get that out of the way. I usually stay away from Jordan vs Kobe threads because it involves two of my favorite players. And I dont want to bash either of them.

[Freshprince619]

Something you've already known obviously, but Kobe was on the Dan Patrick show about a week ago and said this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp5o5pQNo4Y


then why post it? lmao