John Wall Nasty Upside

[Kiddlovesnets]

What a beast! Welcome to the Nets, buddy!
:bowdown:

[pete's montreux]

:ohwell:

[PleezeBelieve]

Jason Kidd's routine 1st half statline says bueno from Dallas.

[rknine15]

The guy is doing everything.

Cousins has a flippin 7'7 wingspan :eek: thats insane.

[Younggrease]

I pray the Nets get John Wall!!

[nbastatus]

I hope he goes for triple double. :lol

[Kiddlovesnets]

KU leads by 17 now, it is over. John Wall may get a double double in garbage time. XD

[Styles p]

it would be funny if he stayed in college so he didnt go to the nets.

[GOBB]

Cousins acts like a 10yr old. I dont know if he was hit in the nuts or what. But sit yo ass down. Could be costing yourself $$$$$ acting like a jackass.

[DuMa]

college basketball can be so disappointing to watch sometimes. that 35 shot clock is a massive time waster. teams with no post presence whatsover are too predictable on offense, they just continue to pass around the perimeter until they have an open shot or lane. its a dying brand of basketball until they fix that shot clock rule.

[Kiddlovesnets]

And this one turns out to be a rout...

[Styles p]

Cousins acts like a 10yr old. I dont know if he was hit in the nuts or what. But sit yo ass down. Could be costing yourself $$$$$ acting like a jackass.

like you wouldn't like him taking dalemberts job?

[Posterize246]

Cousins acts like a 10yr old. I dont know if he was hit in the nuts or what. But sit yo ass down. Could be costing yourself $$$$$ acting like a jackass.
Cal speaking on his team's immaturity right now

[DeuceWallaces]

I want Cousins on the Pistons bad! I don't care if he's crazy.

[PleezeBelieve]

I want Cousins on the Pistons bad! I don't care if he's crazy.
This chick definitely knows what she's talking about.

Cousins #1 pick.

[Styles p]

i want him on the sixers i wonder how a front court of speights and cousins would be?

[rknine15]

I want Cousins and Wall on the Nets. DO IT THORN!

[PleezeBelieve]

i want him on the sixers i wonder how a front court of speights and cousins would be?
DOMINANT

Cousins looks like a bigger Hakeem out there. Dude is fleet for his size. And the hands and touch...just wow.

[Styles p]

DOMINANT

Cousins looks like a bigger Hakeem out there. Dude is fleet for his size. And the hands and touch...just wow.

thats what im thinking cousins does the dirty work inside and speights with his deadly midrange shot.

[GOBB]

Cousins bigger Hakeem? *dies laughing*


like you wouldn't like him taking dalemberts job?

You're talkin to a poster who knows Dalembert is our only interior defensve when it comes to blocking shots, challenging, altering them. Yet I still wanted to trade him and couldnt have cared less about who played Center. I would take Demarcus Cousins on the Sixers if he were drafted. I dont like Patterson tho, and the mock sites who have Sixers taking them need to kill themselves. Cousins attitude is just annoying is all, but he is a beast. If he can mature, control it? Chances it wont affect his team in the pros. Last thing he needs is a rep that follows him even when not warranted.

I also like that he reminds me a bit of Shaq in the post in how he clears guys out. His broad shoulders make it difficult to defend. You either foul, get owned or hope you get a call in your favor. He'll have to refine and polish his game but given he's only a damn freshman? Shouldnt be nor take long.

In short, i like him. But right now Wall, Monroe, Turner are the top 3 dudes I want in Philly. I'd put Cousins after Turner. And Cousins/Speights collabo? Eh. For me to be thrilled, Speights is gonna have to learn to pass and play defense. The "potential" of it is intriguing. Heck I'd take Cousins over Speights myself. That how much I've soured on Speights.

[Styles p]

yeah speights has let me down as the year went on. he did start out great tho.

[BFRESH44]

Cousins a bigger Hakeem :roll:

[PleezeBelieve]

Cousins bigger Hakeem? *dies laughing*



You're talkin to a poster who knows Dalembert is our only interior defensve when it comes to blocking shots, challenging, altering them. Yet I still wanted to trade him and couldnt have cared less about who played Center. I would take Demarcus Cousins on the Sixers if he were drafted. I dont like Patterson tho, and the mock sites who have Sixers taking them need to kill themselves. Cousins attitude is just annoying is all, but he is a beast. If he can mature, control it? Chances it wont affect his team in the pros. Last thing he needs is a rep that follows him even when not warranted.

I also like that he reminds me a bit of Shaq in the post in how he clears guys out. His broad shoulders make it difficult to defend. You either foul, get owned or hope you get a call in your favor. He'll have to refine and polish his game but given he's only a damn freshman? Shouldnt be nor take long.

In short, i like him. But right now Wall, Monroe, Turner are the top 3 dudes I want in Philly. I'd put Cousins after Turner. And Cousins/Speights collabo? Eh. For me to be thrilled, Speights is gonna have to learn to pass and play defense. The "potential" of it is intriguing. Heck I'd take Cousins over Speights myself. That how much I've soured on Speights.
Cousins should be #1 on Philly's board, bra. Pistons as well.

No way you take Wall and Turner with Cousins staring you in the face.

[GOBB]

Cousins should be #1 on Philly's board, bra. Pistons as well.

No way you take Wall and Turner with Cousins staring you in the face.

I dont care what you think considering you called Cousins a bigger Hakeem. :oldlol: If Sixers took Cousins over Monroe, Turner? I wouldnt be upset, teary eyed at all. Not sure Sixers will have a change at any of these prospects but I'm hoping they win a top 3 pick.

Evan Turner would be perfect as a SG here. While he'll need to prove he has range at the NBA level. His midrange game is money, he can attack the basket and can distribute. In other words a playmaker. The way he plays just screams fundamentals, control, high bball iq. Iggy is no SG, that experiement needs to end. No need to speak on Wall, you saw what he did today. But in your moronic eyes? He did nothing a Jason Kidd in Dallas doesnt do. Yanno, it makes sense to compare a freshman to a proven NBA player. Gurantee you never saw J.Kidd at CAL his freshman year. Just like you didnt see Wall's game before this one in which he balled hard. You only see what you want, most of which is all f*cked up.

*continues laughing at bigger Hakeem comparison*

The funny thing is before i die? You cant even back that comparison up. Do it. I challenge you.

[PleezeBelieve]

I dont care what you think considering you called Cousins a bigger Hakeem. :oldlol: If Sixers took Cousins over Monroe, Turner? I wouldnt be upset, teary eyed at all. Not sure Sixers will have a change at any of these prospects but I'm hoping they win a top 3 pick.

Evan Turner would be perfect as a SG here. While he'll need to prove he has range at the NBA level. His midrange game is money, he can attack the basket and can distribute. In other words a playmaker. The way he plays just screams fundamentals, control, high bball iq. Iggy is no SG, that experiement needs to end. No need to speak on Wall, you saw what he did today. But in your moronic eyes? He did nothing a Jason Kidd in Dallas doesnt do. Yanno, it makes sense to compare a freshman to a proven NBA player. Gurantee you never saw J.Kidd at CAL his freshman year. Just like you didnt see Wall's game before this one in which he balled hard. You only see what you want, most of which is all f*cked up.

*continues laughing at bigger Hakeem comparison*

The funny thing is before i die? You cant even back that comparison up. Do it. I challenge you.
Turner is a SF.

Let's start there....

[Styles p]

yes we need a sg but we really need a center. dalembert is not in our future plans and he could be traded this off season on this up coming season. and we have no one ready to play center on this roster.

[plowking]

Cousins>Wall.

He's a better talent than Oden as well.

[Jumpman10135]

You guys are not remember that if the Nets win 4 games or 10 they still don't have a Great chance at getting the first pic.

[niko]

This chick definitely knows what she's talking about.

Cousins #1 pick.

Is Wall going to come with him to calm him down? Because Cousins talks a lot about Wall leading him and calming him down.

The franchise PG who is the leader or the headcase (and possibly franchise) forward who needs the PG to lead him? HMMM...very tough.

[niko]

DOMINANT

Cousins looks like a bigger Hakeem out there. Dude is fleet for his size. And the hands and touch...just wow.

You are an idiot. Hakeem had so many fluid offensive moves. Cousins is just pure power. His touch is nice but he doesn't know how to use it, he just does whatever comes to mind at the time. He had so much trouble finishing at times yesterday, it just was that physically he was a man among boys.

Do you really watch them at all? For all he does, Cousins gets taken out of games sometimes just because he is immature. He's not the brightest bulb, im sorry.

[GOBB]

Turner is a SF.

Let's start there....

No, he's a SG/SF. And at the next level he'll play SG. You want to put $$$ on that? Of course not.

I like how you avoided me challenging you on Cousins being an athletic Hakeem. PleezeBelieve backing down from another challenge courtesy of GOBB. But if you want to continue going about what position Evan Turner plays? I'll own you terribly there as well. So perhaps you go back into hiding like you did yesterday. Only to peak in and say "Turner is a SF".

[imlmf]

.......


that was on pace for 18/12/8, how is that thread worthy?

[TennesseeFan]

Its hard to beat Kentucky and the referees.

Kentucky has to be in the finals so the TV ratings are up.

[OnceInADECADE]

the nets better hope they get the first pick of this year draft. the top prospect john wall is amazing this guy is as fast as derrick rose he has good court vision he a great leader and the best thing about him is his ability to take over games like what derrick rose did in memphis and chi town and what tyreke evans did in memphis. Wall is a stud this guy can be the best point in the nba like in 3 years if he works on his shooting. his height, speed and hoops put him in a rare category among points guards

[OnceInADECADE]

dude is the real deal and i swear to god if the nets get the first pick and select evan turner they re ****ed up.

[kurple]

OK.

[TennesseeFan]

Wall is better than Derrick Rose and Tyreke Evans combined.

To be honest, Derrick Rose kinda sucks.

But Wall is the real deal though, hes going to be a star.

[GOBB]

Next time use ISH search feature before creating a thread ALEADY DONE (http://www.insidehoops.com/basketball-info.shtml?cx=partner-pub-2183605478677227%3Abq38row01wc&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=john+wall#0)

[niko]

No, he's a SG/SF. And at the next level he'll play SG. You want to put $$$ on that? Of course not.

I like how you avoided me challenging you on Cousins being an athletic Hakeem. PleezeBelieve backing down from another challenge courtesy of GOBB. But if you want to continue going about what position Evan Turner plays? I'll own you terribly there as well. So perhaps you go back into hiding like you did yesterday. Only to peak in and say "Turner is a SF".

He doesn't watch any college basketball. I'm kind of realized this. People have no clue how people playing at this level translates to the next level. We should stop arguing.

Not one GM would take Cousins over Wall. Turner, as good as he will be (and he is freaking good), won't be chosen over Wall. And Cousins is a unique a situation as i've seen because part of his development stems from (drumroll) playing with Wall.

I love Cousins game (he can be so good) but out of Wall, Turner and Cousins, if you asked anyone rational (not PB) who is more likely to be tweeting suicidal thoughts a nd supsended from his team out of the three, 99.9% would pick Cousins.

[OnceInADECADE]

Next time use ISH search feature before creating a thread ALEADY DONE (http://www.insidehoops.com/basketball-info.shtml?cx=partner-pub-2183605478677227%3Abq38row01wc&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=john+wall#0)


sorry bout that but i just wanted to talk bout how good this kid is and how good he could be be

at best his stats
24 ppg 11 apg 5 rpg 2 spg 3 topg

[Mr Clutch Melo]

the nets better hope they get the first pick of this year draft. the top prospect john wall is amazing this guy is as fast as derrick rose he has good court vision he a great leader and the best thing about him is his ability to take over games like what derrick rose did in memphis and chi town and what tyreke evans did in memphis. Wall is a stud this guy can be the best point in the nba like in 3 years if he works on his shooting. his height, speed and hoops put him in a rare category among points guards
:no:
Rose is faster.

[Andrei89]

sorry bout that but i just wanted to talk bout how good this kid is and how good he could be be

at best his stats
24 ppg 11 apg 5 rpg 2 spg 3 topg


In college.

Now let's calculate those stats in the NBA

12 ppg 6 apg 2rpg 1spg 6topg

Thanks

[OnceInADECADE]

In college.

Now let's calculate those stats in the NBA

12 ppg 6 apg 2rpg 1spg 6topg

Thanks

wtf are u stupid or something. the college game is in a much slower pace while the nba is full of run n gun teams now and also iso. and yo bro look at drose and tyreke evan college number and look at their rookie season stats big difference when ur game is more suited 4 the nba

[fubu05]

Rose is also a bigger body, stronger. But I'm sure wall will work on that when he comes into the NBA and bulk up a bit.

[OnceInADECADE]

:no:
Rose is faster.


oo sorry bout that but john wall is still pretty quick

[InspiredLebowski]

Rose is also a bigger body, stronger. But I'm sure wall will work on that when he comes into the NBA and bulk up a bit.
Rose is listed at 6'3/190, Wall 6'4/185. But you're right, just by looking at them you can see Rose is a lot more solidly built.

[OnceInADECADE]

Rose is listed at 6'3/190, Wall 6'4/185. But you're right, just by looking at them you can see Rose is a lot more solidly built.


yea he is derrick rose is *****ing built yo this guy can body u around like its nothing

[OnceInADECADE]

yo everyone on the ish should the game today on abc john wall and co are going to put on a show

[OnceInADECADE]

yo everyone on the ish should the game today on abc john wall and co are going to put on a show

[hoopaddict08]

I hope the Pistons end up with the 1-3 pick. I would be happy with Wall, Cousins, or Favors. Turner too, but we need a point-guard or big-man as our first priority.

[GOBB]

Good game taking place...miss st vs kentuck. :cheers:

[imdaman99]

lets go miss st :cheers:

[GOBB]

This game is awesome. :bowdown: 50-48 miss st, after hitting a big 3.

[imdaman99]

This game is awesome. :bowdown: 50-48 miss st, after hitting a big 3.
Its a great game, but if Miss St doesn't make these big 3s or these incredible plays by their big man, Kentuckys running away with it. Hell, I'm rooting for the underdog, kinda tired of them showing Wall and Cousins after every play.

[GOBB]

:bowdown: Intensity picking up...every shot seems big. Wall got blocked by Vanardo (4blks) and Miss st drains the 3.

[imdaman99]

Varnado :bowdown:

[DuMa]

whats the scouting report on varnado

[imdaman99]

whats the scouting report on varnado
shot blocking sensation and hustle with a little quickness. what do i know, i dont get paid for this like the scouts do lol

[GOBB]

Hly crap Johnson with a huge 3. 5pt lead. Kentucky has 2:24 to get this shyt together. Varnado is having a very good day.

Cousins with a turnover. Miss St is owning him.

[RaininThrees]

Man, every time Bernardo does something, I get quite unsettled.

Canadians will know what I'm talking about.

[GOBB]

whats the scouting report on varnado

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jarvis-Varnado-1189/

[imdaman99]

The more I see of this Cousins the more I dislike him. He hacks the sh*t out of Varny twice and complains both times like I did not touch I can't believe you called that waaah waaah. We're Kentucky, we're not used to the refs calling fouls on us waaaaaaaah

[TheGreatDeraj]

Cousin's blowing this game. Wall needs to stop giving it up, Miss state is all over cousins.

[imdaman99]

shit Wall with clutch plays

[GOBB]

Wow tough inbound pass. Huge steal.

[TheGreatDeraj]

Wall missed an easy one. Great fake.

Kentucky has one more chance...

[imdaman99]

make ur free throws man. this is a game till the end. although wall needs to hit that shot though.

[DuMa]

wall misses.

[GOBB]

Damn Wall why did you double clutch it?

[DuMa]

this shit better not go OT and interrupt the cavs game

[imdaman99]

i fckin hate duke, cant wait till they lose in the 2nd round as the #1 seed again.

[PleezeBelieve]

Wall plays just like Rajon Rondo on offense. Not much skill in the halfcourt set.

[imdaman99]

bledsoe for 3 i called it.

[J-Futuristic]

Evan Turner>John Wall

[InspiredLebowski]

Cousins!

[DuMa]

cousins so lucky haha

[imdaman99]

son of a *****. sucks for miss st. they should still get in regardless of the outcome of this game.

[GOBB]

WHAT AN ENDING WHAT AN ENDING! :bowdown: :cheers: :banana:

OT BABY!!! WOOO HOOO. UNREAL.

Stewart is out for Miss St.

[J-Futuristic]

lmao!!!!

[TheGreatDeraj]

Wall airballs, but Cousins there for the buzzerbeater putback!

[DeuceWallaces]

You know it!

[Styles p]

cousins :bowdown:

[DuMa]

kentucky celebrates like they just won the game but its just going to be OT.

[PleezeBelieve]

LMAO @ you Wall c*cksuckers forced to jam Cousins package down your throat. :roll:

[imdaman99]

damn, i wouldnt have fouled. make them earn that tie.

[Undisputed]

John Wall with a major choke only to be saved by Cousins. :oldlol: Great game here.

[DeuceWallaces]

Miss St in some foul trouble. Time to get some of them out of there, but Cousins can't get his 5th either.

[DeAndre Gordon]

kentucky celebrates like they just won the game but its just going to be OT.


i thought cousins was gonna get injured the way they were mobbing him.

[imdaman99]

LMAO @ you Wall c*cksuckers forced to jam Cousins package down your throat. :roll:
cousins was in the right place at the right time, otherwise he had a crappy game. if anything, he is overrated. not wall.

[InspiredLebowski]

Varnardo may pass out, dude's gassed. Can't blame hiim after his game on both ends.

[DeuceWallaces]

Cousins is not overrated. He's just crazy.

[GOBB]

Look at PleezeBelieve show up at the end of the game because Cousins tied it up. He was M.I.A all day including when i called him nut ass out for saying Cousins = Hakeem. :roll: Herb.


kentucky celebrates like they just won the game but its just going to be OT.

They should have lost, thats why they are celebrating. Who intentionally misses a FT, and ties the game up in that situation? Its rare. And to beat the clock that close? I'd celebrate too. Miss St had them.

[PleezeBelieve]

cousins was in the right place at the right time, otherwise he had a crappy game. if anything, he is overrated. not wall.
Right. :rolleyes:

[InspiredLebowski]

Cousins is not overrated. He's just crazy.
and has horrible tattoos

[imdaman99]

this games over. kentuckys gonna keep the momentum going. sucks for miss state.

[rknine15]

:rockon: COUSINS :banana: :banana:


Lets go UK!

[HylianNightmare]

Just got home in time to see that buzzer beater

[GOBB]

Bost is BALLIN! :bowdown:

[InspiredLebowski]

no call on the 2 point takedown? :oldlol:

[PleezeBelieve]

God, Wall is so overrated.

[GOBB]

:oldlol: commentator called Cousins Orton and for a second I thought he was too without the headband.


no call on the 2 point takedown? :oldlol:

Good no call.

[DuMa]

cousins has some upside but he looks overweight and slow. im not buyin this kid.

[imdaman99]

God, Wall is so overrated.
you realize he made the game changing play right? he made that steal with 30 seconds left and down 3.

[TheGreatDeraj]

wtf did Cousins just get glass on the first freethrow :oldlol:

[DuMa]

dammit this shit better not go 2OT and seriously interrupt the cavs game

[GOBB]

Varnado was fouled there.

Wall just hit a huge shot. Dagger. Where is PleezeLeeve?

[HylianNightmare]

John wall....

[DeuceWallaces]

Wall ices it. **** you PB!

[DuMa]

wall hits dagger on a lucky 3. thats game

[TheGreatDeraj]

cousins has some upside but he looks overweight and slow. im not buyin this kid.

He reminds me of a taller Big Baby Davis.

Wall with the clutch shot!

[imdaman99]

come on pleazebelieve, tell me how overrated that shot was? it did look lucky though :lol

[HylianNightmare]

Yeah that's game

[DeuceWallaces]

He's not overweight or slow.

[rknine15]

CLUTCH SHOT BY WALL!!!!:banana:

[InspiredLebowski]

Wall hasn't really looked great in crunch time. Yeah he made the steal but that was a terrible inbounds right on the sideline. Short armed a couple shots, gotten outta control. Still a top 2 pick.

[imdaman99]

Varnado was fouled there.

Wall just hit a huge shot. Dagger. Where is PleezeLeeve?
he just shut off the computer.

*insert ed norton gif here*

[imdaman99]

He's not overweight or slow.
he looks like zach randolph 2.0

[GOBB]

he just shut off the computer.

*insert ed norton gif here*

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/picc84/03e297805251b807d6f672dd09a4a0b5.gif

[DuMa]

yes just give the ball to cousins your worst FT shooter on the floor

[PleezeBelieve]

Cousins SEC Freshman of the Year.

[InspiredLebowski]

Hope Miss State still gets in

[imdaman99]

yes just give the ball to cousins your worst FT shooter on the floor
dammit that last FT was so close to missing!!! not that it guarantees they hit a 3 at the buzzer anyway lol

[GOBB]

Cousins SEC Freshman of the Year.


BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) -- Kentucky freshman John Wall was named Southeastern Conference player of the year by league coaches.

His peers chose Vanderbilt's Kevin Stallings as coach of the year.

Freshman of the year honors went to the Wildcats' DeMarcus Cousins while Florida's Ray Shipman was named SEC Scholar-Athlete of the Year.

Mississippi State's shotblocking center Jarvis Varnado was voted the top defensive player for the third straight year. Vandy's John Jenkins was the league's top sixth man.

Wall lived up to his billing as the nation's top recruit, leading Kentucky to a 29-win season and the SEC championship. He joins LSU's Chris Jackson (1989) as the only freshmen to be named SEC player of the year.

:applause:

[PleezeBelieve]

Wall is so overrated. Dude cant shoot. Is a mediocre finisher around the rim. And isnt anywhere near as athletic as he's hyped up to be.

Those are the two things that pop out to me. He stalls in the halfcourt set. But his suspect touch at the rim will plague at the next level when finishing over taller players. You all act like this guy is 6'6 and it wont matter. The guy is shorter than Dwyane Wade with a broke jumper.

Not impressed.

[GOBB]

Cousins looks like a bigger Hakeem out there. .

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[DuMa]

still not sold on wall yet too.... hes going to have to be more consistent in the tournament to pull off being a #1 pick as an undersized 2 guard.

[PleezeBelieve]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
To ask you to look inside thebgame would be too demanding for your limited IQ....I know. But Cousins is spry on his feet. Plays the pick and roll well on both sides of the ball and has an inside touch around the basket. Plus he's a fabulous passer out the post.

Point stays valid.

[imdaman99]

If Wall turns into a Rajan Rondo with the ability to shoot than he is not overrated. Rondo is a perfect PG other than his shooting.

Anyone else think this Celtics-Cavs game is gonna be a letdown after watching that last game? Sigh

[DuMa]

Rondo is totally teh wrong comparison for Wall. its really more like Jamal Crawford with D-Wade potential.

[DeuceWallaces]

This is all about Evan Turner right? Has nothing to do with Wall?

[PleezeBelieve]

Rondo is totally teh wrong comparison for Wall. its really more like Jamal Crawford with D-Wade potential.
Crawford?????

:roll:

[GOBB]

To ask you to look inside thebgame would be too demanding for your limited IQ....I know. But Cousins is spry on his feet. Plays the pick and roll well on both sides of the ball and has an inside touch around the basket. Plus he's a fabulous passer out the post.

Point stays valid.

He's nothing like Hakeem. You just are terrible at comparisons and seeing things. Thats been proven. You're so high on Cousins you often say stupid things in spite to 1 up the Wall supporters. Why? Who knows. 3 sentences to show how he is a bigger Hakeem? :roll: But you would spend countless sentencves, posts, threads even breaking down Wall. Think about it, even tho THINKING isnt your strongsuit.

[PleezeBelieve]

People will sag off this guy gor his whope career. HE CAN'T SHOOT.

[LebrickJames84']

Rondo is totally teh wrong comparison for Wall. its really more like Jamal Crawford with D-Wade potential.

You obviousy only watch youtube. They have similar handles and have similar body build and that is where it ends. Jamal is a lethal scorer that when he gets hot can go off for 50 points on Dwyane Wade which he has done. Wall can't score except on fastbreak. The guy really does struggle to score in a set half court. Luckily the NBA is man to man and pick and roll, so wall will do well.

He isn't the best player on his team. He is a great role player for that UK team. If you put Wall with scrub players he isn't getting all this attention. Bledsoe and Cousins constantly bail him out game after game after game. They receive zero hype.

It really is amazing what flashy youtube high school clips can do for a player. The guy is not the next coming of anything, havent even seen 1 monster statistically game this year. I see him averaging 17 and 8 or 9 assists his entire career. He is the improved version of Rajon Rondo.

[TheTruth11]

Wall is so overrated. Dude cant shoot. Is a mediocre finisher around the rim. And isnt anywhere near as athletic as he's hyped up to be.

Those are the two things that pop out to me. He stalls in the halfcourt set. But his suspect touch at the rim will plague at the next level when finishing over taller players. You all act like this guy is 6'6 and it wont matter. The guy is shorter than Dwyane Wade with a broke jumper.

Not impressed.

Totally agree with this post. I posted the same thing on this Board about 6 weeks ago and got pelted for it. I saw early what many are just seeing now. Wall has major holes in his game.

Can't shoot.... can't finish.... not as athletic as he made out to be.... turnover machine.... zero game in the half court set. I have been saying these things for a while now.

To use an analogy with football..... the guy is "punt returner".

......

[imdaman99]

People will sag off this guy gor his whope career. HE CAN'T SHOOT.
neither could lebron out of HS. good job though man. whats your personal beef with Wall? you know Lebron loves him right? shouldnt you follow everything your idol does? i dont get you man.

[LebrickJames84']

The only reason he gets so much attention is because his team is so stacked they keep winning games and youtube highlights. Not even the best player on his team that's how good they are. 28-2. Wall goes to a school like UCONN or something with a pretty good record he isn't getting ESPN hype.

Anybody that watches him it because painfully clear that he really is just an improved version of Rajon Rondo as the great PleezeBelieve points out. We just don't want to believe that we want him to be the next Magic Johnson. The guy has yet to put up any great statistically games in college.

Right now and all he will be is an improved version of Rajon Rondo. He shoots competently to the point where you don't sag 7 ft off him in the halfcourt, just as fast, taller, stronger, just as athletic etc. Rondo is averaging 14 points and 10 assists right now. I see Wall averaging 17 or 18 points and 7-9 assists throughout most of his career. Not the next Magic Johnson

[imdaman99]

its not always easy to put up these stats that everyone lives on in college basketball. michael jordan didn't exactly average 30 at UNC you know? whats wrong with an improved version of rondo? wall plays great D and leads a helluva fast break and can pass as well. if he can work on his shot because i think he can to the extent that rondo can't, than thats fine.

[SourPatchKids]

Well considering that Rajon Rondo is a very good player i think Wall can be great. He has a sweet jumper unlike Rondo and can be very clutch( he hit a game winner in his first game for Kentucky). If the nets draft him and land lebron then we can be seeing a championship New Jersey team.

[Rekindled]

its not always easy to put up these stats that everyone lives on in college basketball. michael jordan didn't exactly average 30 at UNC you know? whats wrong with an improved version of rondo? wall plays great D and leads a helluva fast break and can pass as well. if he can work on his shot because i think he can to the extent that rondo can't, than thats fine.

major fail, most people projected him to be the no.1 pick in this year's draft, before he even committed to kentucky, there was talk about him skipping college to enter last year's draft which he still would be a top 3 pick.

[TimeConfidence]

Considering the fact that Rondo is arguably a Top 5 PG, I guess Wall is Top 3.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

major fail, most people projected him to be the no.1 pick in this year's draft, before he even committed to kentucky, there was talk about him skipping college to enter last year's draft which he still would be a top 3 pick.
where exactly was the major fail? :confusedshrug:

[LebrickJames84']

its not always easy to put up these stats that everyone lives on in college basketball. michael jordan didn't exactly average 30 at UNC you know? whats wrong with an improved version of rondo? wall plays great D and leads a helluva fast break and can pass as well. if he can work on his shot because i think he can to the extent that rondo can't, than thats fine.

Jordan averged 20 ppg 5.5 rebs on 53% FG his sophomore season. Bob Knight even said in the summer of 84' before Jordan NBA career started. That at the Olympics practices Jordan was better than any player he had ever seen before including Larry and Bird.

Anybody with eyes can tell you John Wall isn't even anywhere as close to be as good as advertised. In a non statistically approach. I was expected more than improved version of Rondo. ( which is no easy feat). I was expecting a Magic Johnson type of impact player at the point guard position. This guy will never be the best PG in the NBA. He may not even be top 3 pg in NBA ever with Chris Paul,Deron Wiliams being so young. Then you have really young players whoo are clearly better than him like Derrick Rose,Tyreke Evans, and Russell Westbrook.

Watching Wall live is almost as disappointing as when i first watched Ricky Rubio at the Olympics. It really is on that level.

[Johnni Gade]

An improved Rondo would be nice?

[BIG FURB]

Everytime PB has something negative to say about Wall the guy does something special in a game to make him look stupid, hilarious

[Johnni Gade]

everybody hypes this guy

[BIG FURB]

Jordan averged 20 ppg 5.5 rebs on 53% FG his sophomore season. Bob Knight even said in the summer of 84' before Jordan NBA career started. That at the Olympics practices Jordan was better than any player he had ever seen before including Larry and Bird.

Anybody with eyes can tell you John Wall isn't even anywhere as close to be as good as advertised. In a non statistically approach. I was expected more than improved version of Rondo. ( which is no easy feat). I was expecting a Magic Johnson type of impact player at the point guard position. This guy will never be the best PG in the NBA. He may not even be top 3 pg in NBA ever with Chris Paul,Deron Wiliams being so young. Then you have really young players whoo are clearly better than him like Derrick Rose,Tyreke Evans, and Russell Westbrook.

Watching Wall live is almost as disappointing as when i first watched Ricky Rubio at the Olympics. It really is on that level.

I'm not quite sure what the point of comparing Jordan as a sophomore to Wall as a Freshman is, but the kid was touted as a program changer and so far he's led his team to a SEC conference championship, a 32-2 record, all while averaging 17/6/4 and picking up SEC player of the year honours along the way (all as a damn freshman). Sorry you expected Jesus with a Ball, but most rational people just expected a great basketball player, which is what he is

[LebrickJames84']

the nets better hope they get the first pick of this year draft. the top prospect john wall is amazing this guy is as fast as derrick rose he has good court vision he a great leader and the best thing about him is his ability to take over games like what derrick rose did in memphis and chi town and what tyreke evans did in memphis. Wall is a stud this guy can be the best point in the nba like in 3 years if he works on his shooting. his height, speed and hoops put him in a rare category among points guards

Wall is no Derrick Rose.
I am not even convinced he is better than Stephen Curry who is averaging 16/4/5 as a rookie

[LebrickJames84']

I'm not quite sure what the point of comparing Jordan as a sophomore to Wall as a Freshman is, but the kid was touted as a program changer and so far he's led his team to a SEC conference championship, a 32-2 record, all while averaging 17/6/4 and picking up SEC player of the year honours along the way (all as a damn freshman). Sorry you expected Jesus with a Ball, but most rational people just expected a great basketball player, which is what he is

Yes, I agree that he is an exceptional great basketball talent, with rare ability. ( Rajon Rondo is the also really rare)
I dont except Jesus. I didn't expect Michael Jordan. I did expect from what everybody said all the hype that he would be the next
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/AAEK001_16x20~Magic-Johnson-Ball-in-left-hand-Posters.jpg

and he is no where close, probably wont even be a top 3 PG a any point in the NBA.

[TheTruth11]

Wall is no Derrick Rose.
I am not even convinced he is better than Stephen Curry who is averaging 16/4/5 as a rookie


Totally agree. Wall is waaay overrated.

Can't shoot.... can't finish.... not nearly as athletic as he is made out to be.... and he has zero game in the half court set.

Evan Turner > John Wall

And Derrick Rose is far more explosive than Wall.

[BIG FURB]

Yes, I agree that he is an exceptional great basketball talent, with rare ability. ( Rajon Rondo is the also really rare)
I dont except Jesus. I didn't expect Michael Jordan. I did expect from what everybody said all the hype that he would be the next
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/AAEK001_16x20~Magic-Johnson-Ball-in-left-hand-Posters.jpg

and he is no where close, probably wont even be a top 3 PG a any point in the NBA.

Well, he's had a better freshman season than Paul, Deron or Rose had as freshman and look where they are now. And you shouldn't have expected Magic, he was never touted as that type of player

[TheTruth11]

Jordan averged 20 ppg 5.5 rebs on 53% FG his sophomore season. Bob Knight even said in the summer of 84' before Jordan NBA career started. That at the Olympics practices Jordan was better than any player he had ever seen before including Larry and Bird.

Anybody with eyes can tell you John Wall isn't even anywhere as close to be as good as advertised. In a non statistically approach. I was expected more than improved version of Rondo. ( which is no easy feat). I was expecting a Magic Johnson type of impact player at the point guard position. This guy will never be the best PG in the NBA. He may not even be top 3 pg in NBA ever with Chris Paul,Deron Wiliams being so young. Then you have really young players whoo are clearly better than him like Derrick Rose,Tyreke Evans, and Russell Westbrook.

Watching Wall live is almost as disappointing as when i first watched Ricky Rubio at the Olympics. It really is on that level.


Totally agree. Wall is waaay overrated.

Can't shoot.... can't finish.... not nearly as athletic as he is made out to be.... and he has zero game in the half court set.

Evan Turner > John Wall

And Derrick Rose is far more explosive than Wall.


Also.... it is subtle thing but there is something else I noticed in watching Wall today. For a guy who does not weigh a lot, his body fat looks to be up. He is slim be not real lean. He looked much leaner at the beginning of the college basketball season. He does not appear to be committed to his conditioning like he should be.

[SAKOTXA]

Lol nobody compared him to Magic...

In my eyes, he will be a Jason Kidd type player.

[fubu05]

I gotta say, right now the guy can't really shoot. His jumpshot is really lacking. Majority of his points come from driving and using his speed. But let me tell you something, that lane won't be as open in the NBA as it is college ball. I prefer Wesley Johnson, and think he will be a more complete player than Wall. Johnson is already committed on the defensive end, great shot blocker, and averages about 2 steals a game. Shoots the three well, has a nice jump-shot. Very athletic. Rebounds well. I think right now I prefer Johnson over Wall. Will Wall be a better player in 2 or 3 years to come? Maybe, but I wouldn't take that risk right now. In this draft, give me Wesley Johnson over John Wall any day.

[SAKOTXA]

I gotta say, right now the guy can't really shoot. His jumpshot is really lacking. Majority of his points come from driving and using his speed. But let me tell you something, that lane won't be as open in the NBA as it is college ball. I prefer Wesley Johnson, and think he will be a more complete player than Wall. Johnson is already committed on the defensive end, great shot blocker, and averages about 2 steals a game. Shoots the three well, has a nice jump-shot. Very athletic. Rebounds well. I think right now I prefer Johnson over Wall. Will Wall be a better player in 2 or 3 years to come? Maybe, but I wouldn't take that risk right now. In this draft, give me Wesley Johnson over John Wall any day.

How so? There is a no defensive 3 second rule in college and the defenders are allowed to play much more aggressively on defense...

[KG215]

And you shouldn't have expected Magic, he was never touted as that type of player

I wasn't around when Magic was coming out of high school and during his college days. But from the different books, and other readings, I was left with the impression that Magic was very highly touted coming out of high school. At least about as hyped as one could be in that time, pre-internet, pre-ESPN, etc.

[BIG FURB]

I gotta say, right now the guy can't really shoot. His jumpshot is really lacking. Majority of his points come from driving and using his speed. But let me tell you something, that lane won't be as open in the NBA as it is college ball. I prefer Wesley Johnson, and think he will be a more complete player than Wall. Johnson is already committed on the defensive end, great shot blocker, and averages about 2 steals a game. Shoots the three well, has a nice jump-shot. Very athletic. Rebounds well. I think right now I prefer Johnson over Wall. Will Wall be a better player in 2 or 3 years to come? Maybe, but I wouldn't take that risk right now. In this draft, give me Wesley Johnson over John Wall any day.

Have you not watched NBA ball the last decade? It has become tailor made for a player like Wall to have success

[Nanners]

The only reason he gets so much attention is because his team is so stacked they keep winning games and youtube highlights. Not even the best player on his team that's how good they are. 28-2. Wall goes to a school like UCONN or something with a pretty good record he isn't getting ESPN hype.

Anybody that watches him it because painfully clear that he really is just an improved version of Rajon Rondo as the great PleezeBelieve points out. We just don't want to believe that we want him to be the next Magic Johnson. The guy has yet to put up any great statistically games in college.

Right now and all he will be is an improved version of Rajon Rondo. He shoots competently to the point where you don't sag 7 ft off him in the halfcourt, just as fast, taller, stronger, just as athletic etc. Rondo is averaging 14 points and 10 assists right now. I see Wall averaging 17 or 18 points and 7-9 assists throughout most of his career. Not the next Magic Johnson

first of all, rondo is a top 5 pg in the NBA right now, so being an improved version of Rondo is not a bad thing.


secondly, you are a terrible poster. welcome to ignore

[BIG FURB]

I wasn't around when Magic was coming out of high school and during his college days. But from the different books, and other readings, I was left with the impression that Magic was very highly touted coming out of high school. At least about as hyped as one could be in that time, pre-internet, pre-ESPN, etc.

Alot of players are highly touted coming out oh HS, few of them end up being as good as Magic, but alot of them have ended up being pretty damn good.
Sure you sometimes get the occasional Felipe Lopez, but it's way too soon to boldly say what direction his career is headed. But so far he's definitely on the path to greatness

[BlueandGold]

rondo is practically averaging 10/10/6/2 this year... Even if he was on par with rondo with I'd take him 1st in a heartbeat. Plus they are both kentucky alumni

[Bcogswell]

Being a improved version of Rondo is nothing bad at all considering Rondo is already one of the premier point guards in the league. :applause:

[niko]

What the **** are people watching that Wall is a SG? He is a PG. He keeps the ball moving, the only time he dominates it is in crunch time. Do you people watch more than 5 minutes of the game?

And Cousins is Hakeem like is so stupid to defy comprehension, but then again, this is PB, someone who is wrong on his predictions 90% of the time despite his team winning 80% of its games. (It's almost incomprehensible that a Cav fan, as great as they are, could always be wrong. )

[fubu05]

Have you not watched NBA ball the last decade? It has become tailor made for a player like Wall to have success



How so? There is a no defensive 3 second rule in college and the defenders are allowed to play much more aggressively on defense...


Right, No 3-second rule, good point. Now let's compare defenders in College, to those in the NBA. The fact is, Wall can be useful in transition, where his speed is huge, but in those half-court sets, when his defenders back off due to his limited shooting ability, and congest the lane, he can get in trouble. There are some really athletic centers and pf's in there. The skill of the guard defenders in the NBA is also much better than the skill of the guard defenders in College :confusedshrug: Let's also not forget that you have 35 seconds on a College shot-clock, by the time you bring it up, about 29 seconds, as opposed to about 18 seconds in the half court in the NBA. A lot of time what ends up happening is Wall tries driving, gets denied, brings it back up, and tries to do it again. You see his defenders go under the screen in a pick and roll situation a lot of the time closing the path to the basket and daring him to shoot. You're not gonna have room to bring it out and try it again in the NBA. With some teams now starting to use zone defense more often, that's going to hurt him. I just can't see him being effective for another 3 years, and I can't see him taking ROY, and I can't see him being better than some other players. There are too many talented guys like Evan Turner, like Wesley Johnson, like Xavier Henry that I think are better players than Wall right now, and will be better than him in the future. For Evan Turner and Wesley Johnson, I hear you saying "Yeah, but they are also 2 years older" and I agree, they are 2 years older. I still think that Evan Turner and Wesley Johnson could end up being better than John Wall even though Wall is 2 years younger. I'm just not sold on this young man yet. It's hard to teach a jump-shot, whereas players like Wesley Johnson and Evan Turner already have a nice one going for them. Xavier Henry is actually younger than Wall though, but hes already got a nice stroke going for him. Right now Wall is heavily dependent on his superior athleticism at the college level to get him places. Once he gets to the NBA, and realizes that his athleticism is not something incredibly special, it's going to take a lot of work to get him to be an efficient point guard.

[niko]

[QUOTE=LebrickJames84']Anybody with eyes can tell you John Wall isn't even anywhere as close to be as good as advertised. In a non statistically approach. I was expected more than improved version of Rondo. QUOTE]
In a total non-statistcalyl approach, i have determined you are a complete moron.

[SourPatchKids]

By improved version of Rondo do you mean improved version of Rondo right now or Rondo when he first came into the league? Cause there is a huge difference.

[scott0326]

Wall is a monster, he has a dance, he has a song. He is obviously next MJ. Everybody who says otherwise is a mad and a hater.

[spoonhoops]

I understand peoples arguments on why Turner or Cousins could in fact go #1, but if you want to win now and later, Wall is your guy. Even if you already have a stud for a point guard (Williams, Paul), you still take Wall and beat teams with a smaller lineup at the 2-guard position.