In 2008 Olympics Team USA Played Under NBA Rules

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Based on the comments that Americans are making in this forum in numerous threads, this really has to be stated and made known. Because Americans are clearly totally unaware of it.

Team USA did NOT play under FIBA rules at the 2008 Olympics. The Olympic ref committee, FIBA, and the Chinese Basketball Federation all stated that Team USA was allowed to play with NBA rules during all of their games at the Olympics.

All other teams played under FIBA rules. In games where Team USA played, they were called under NBA rules and their opponent under FIBA rules. It was stated by the Olympic refs and the Chinese Basketball Federation, in both Chinese and European media that Team USA was allowed to carry the ball, palm the ball, and to travel and that all the other teams were not.

Team USA was informed of this directly and told that they did NOT have to abide by FIBA rules and the other teams did.

The reason given for this was said to be that Stern gave a large amount of money to FIBA, the Olympics, and the Chinese Basketball Federation prior to the games, in order to allow the Americans to play under an NBA type game style.

Now, based on comments Americans keep making in these forums - Americans are totally unaware of this and have no clue that this even occurred. Well I think it is about time that Americans know it and understand it. And that they ask themselves why was this done and why did US media choose not to report it?

It really makes American basketball fans look ignorant when they keep saying "we dominated the world under FIBA rules at the Olympics", when in fact Team USA played the Olympics under NBA rules. The Chinese Basketball Federation even announced prior to the games that they were changing the rules for Team USA to NBA rules. It's very strange that no Americans seem to know that this happened.

[U got Served]

Plz post a link of the BS you speak of. Stern paid money? USA players were allowed to palm, travel? That's not allowed in the NBA. Please, if you're going to post a lot of bullsh it, post your sources.

[Button]

palming the ball and traveling is less strict in the nba then elsewere

[Scribbles]

Eh? I thought everyone knew about this? This is like 2 yeras old

[SpanishACB]

Eh? I thought everyone knew about this? This is like 2 yeras old
Because some guy wasn't aware and was making ignorant posts in a recent thread, so idiot number two's solution is to make a thread because all his life is about "foruming".

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Plz post a link of the BS you speak of. Stern paid money? USA players were allowed to palm, travel? That's not allowed in the NBA. Please, if you're going to post a lot of bullsh it, post your sources.

Like I said, Americans are clearly unaware of this, but it's about time they were made aware of it. The trash being talked by Americans about the 2008 Olympics has really gotten out of hand. Due to the fact that Americans don't know Team USA played to NBA game standards and not FIBA, like all the other teams.

When the other team must dribble the ball before making a move, but Team USA was allowed 2-3 steps without dribbling to make moves, when the other teams were allowed 1.5-2 steps after each dribble, and Team USA was allowed 3-5 steps after each dribble, when Team USA was allowed to carry the ball, and other teams were not..............

This was a clear unfair advantage that was given to Team USA. I would not make a big deal out of it, but lately all this "we dominated the world under FIBA rules" crap that Americans are saying is just going too far.

It's about time Americans realize that they in fact played the Olympics under NBA rules and that they were given an unfair advantage over all their opponents. The level of arrogance has just gotten too much.

I realize that US media and the NBA purposely never reported this (for very obvious reasons) but Americans need to stop being so damn arrogant and realize that they were playing under a different set of rules. So that maybe the comments directed to every other country's basketball from Americans will stop being so ridiculously arrogant and over the top.

The truth is that if the gold medal game was played under strict FIBA rules being applied to team USA - there is no way in hell the USA would have a gold medal. American basketball fans need to start coming back to reality.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Eh? I thought everyone knew about this? This is like 2 yeras old

Based on what most Americans are saying in these forums, the amount of Americans that know this is very, very low. Probably 1/100 American basketball fans know it. It needs to become a widely known thing, because it's really getting ridiculous that so few Americans understand this when they start bragging about how "dominant Team USA was under FIBA rules".

[Go Getter]

As I said in the other thread:

Please give me some literature to read on this there must have been a statement made by FIBA if what you say is true.

Direct me to it and I will recant my previous statements.

Until then you're just some crazy butt hurt foreign guy.

[Crystallas]

What would have been better, is if the Olympics played under O'dolyle Rules.

THEN, I would be shocked.

[qrich]

As I said in the other thread:

Please give me some literature to read on this there must have been a statement made by FIBA if what you say is true.

Direct me to it and I will recant my previous statements.

Until then you're just some crazy butt hurt foreign guy.

Don't bother with this retard. He thinks Sofoklis is 10x the player Chris Kaman (All-Star) and Marcus Camby (All-Star & DPOY) can ever DREAM of being.

[Go Getter]

The reason given for this was said to be that Stern gave a large amount of money to FIBA, the Olympics, and the Chinese Basketball Federation prior to the games, in order to allow the Americans to play under an NBA type game style.



:roll:

PLEASE show me any shred of evidence on this.

:roll:

[U got Served]

Lakas fan yo, I'd like for you to cite your sources. Thanks.

[Go Getter]

What would have been better, is if the Olympics played under O'dolyle Rules.
I love to get tea-bagged hardcore

THEN, I would be shocked.

:roll:




O'doyle indeed RULES:rockon:

[dough]

palming the ball and traveling is less strict in the nba then elsewere
We always laughed at the 3 steps players could take in the nba during the early 90s. They're very strict with travelling in Europe.

[Go Getter]

Don't bother with this retard. He thinks Sofoklis is 10x the player Chris Kaman (All-Star) and Marcus Camby (All-Star & DPOY) can ever DREAM of being.


What is a Sofoklis?

[U got Served]

What is a Sofoklis?

the fat greek black dude

[U got Served]

45 minutes and no sources yet. Typical.

[Go Getter]

the fat greek black dude


He's a beast though.....that one year he KILLED us....lol....I remember being SO mad we didn't take all of our best players that year.

[Go Getter]

45 minutes and no sources yet. Typical.


:lol



:cheers:

[U got Served]

:lol



:cheers:

I'm not trying to be a douche, but if he's going to say wild statements he should cite his sources. Otherwise no one will take him seriously.

[Go Getter]

I'm not trying to be a douche, but if he's going to say wild statements he should cite his sources. Otherwise no one will take him seriously.

I understand completely and I am waiting with baited breath on the article that states that FIBA said they gave different rules to the US in the gold medal game.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

I understand completely and I am waiting with baited breath on the article that states that FIBA said they gave different rules to the US in the gold medal game.

I assure you that there are Europeans that post here that read the article. Someone will know where a link to it is. In fact, I remember it being discussed in big detail on one of the international forums and also in realgm.com

[Lakas Fan Yo]

45 minutes and no sources yet. Typical.

What's typical is that you are not even aware that Team USA played under NBA rules. You are ignorant and you expect others to happily accept your ignorance as fact, even though it is wrong.

[gts]

we won't get an actual link folks because he is a liar who just makes up these things as he goes along...

[ukballer]

Love how this dude completely skims every post asking for evidence. :lol

[U got Served]

What's typical is that you are not even aware that Team USA played under NBA rules. You are ignorant and you expect others to happily accept your ignorance as fact, even though it is wrong.

Dude, all I'm asking is for you to cite your wild statements. Is that so hard? This is you.....

I am right because I know I'm right, you are wrong because my statements are right. ok?

[artificial]

http://www.thequickhour.com/word/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/its_a_conspiracy1.jpg

[kNIOKAS]

technically, noone is allowed to travel or palm the ball. it's against the rules by itself, by definition.
please post the source

[Skyscraper]

Technically, the OP is MAD that a bunch of uneducateed Americans could possibly dominate of the rest of the sophisticated world!!!!

[Cangri]

So the only difference from FIBA is that in the NBA they let you travel and palm the ball? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Team USA won because they were the better team with the much more talented players.

[BFRESH44]

What a crock of sh*t. :oldlol:



"We don't believe you, you need more people!"

[Bodhi]

I do remember some European fans talking about how the US was getting away with travels.

I think it's more likely that since the US players are more athletic, it's a lot harder to judge how many steps they took when they're going at full speed.

Or you could just say that's there's an international conspiracy. Whatever one makes more sense to you.

[Qwertyazerty]

I am not saying Redeem team won the Olympic Games because of that, they were the best team, they had the best players, they offered us the best basketball in the championship and one of the best final games I remember in a long period of time.


But... to bring some balance to the debate I will say they made several clear travelling that weren't call.

We posted it in another thread but let do it again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-__b94XN1dA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EL5-Kt_QKs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_b8N7DL280

All in a single game

[artificial]

I am not saying Redeem team won the Olympic Games because of that, they were the best team, they had the best players, they offered us the best basketball in the championship and one of the best final games I remember in a long period of time.


But... to bring some balance to the debate I will say they made several clear travelling that weren't call.

We posted it in another thread but let do it again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-__b94XN1dA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EL5-Kt_QKs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_b8N7DL280

Finally, someone who provides actual basis to his/her statements, unlike the dumbass OP who proved himself -again- unable to backup any of the stuff he spews.

[RaininThrees]

http://img.youtube.com/vi/4YanxB5OQnU/0.jpg

Well, that appears to be a trapezoid...

[Myth]

[QUOTE=Qwertyazerty]I am not saying Redeem team won the Olympic Games because of that, they were the best team, they had the best players, they offered us the best basketball in the championship and one of the best final games I remember in a long period of time.


But... to bring some balance to the debate I will say they made several clear travelling that weren't call.

We posted it in another thread but let do it again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-__b94XN1dA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EL5-Kt_QKs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_b8N7DL280

All in a single game

[U got Served]

Posting youtube videos as a form of "evidence" is pretty hilarious.

[asu77golf]

What I don't understand is this...

Basketball was invented in the United States by James Naismith in 1891. Basketball is an American game. Why should we have to conform to "International Rules"? If they want to play us at our game, use our rules or stop complaining.

The NBA has the best players in the world, this can not be argued.

There are many other leagues around the world with quite a few good players. It's adorable. But if you want to play us at our game, play by our rules. It's retarded that international fans think it's amazing that America plays poorly when playing what is in essence a very different game when playing by international rules.

That's what internationals don't understand. Americans don't care about your rules or your leagues. This is our game. You want to play it? Fine, great. But don't play by different rules and then run around screaming with excitement when you beat the US at a different game.

[Alan]

What I don't understand is this...

Basketball was invented in the United States by James Naismith in 1891. Basketball is an American game. Why should we have to conform to "International Rules"? If they want to play us at our game, use our rules or stop complaining.

The NBA has the best players in the world, this can not be argued.

There are many other leagues around the world with quite a few good players. It's adorable. But if you want to play us at our game, play by our rules. It's retarded that international fans think it's amazing that America plays poorly when playing what is in essence a very different game when playing by international rules.

That's what internationals don't understand. Americans don't care about your rules or your leagues. This is our game. You want to play it? Fine, great. But don't play by different rules and then run around screaming with excitement when you beat the US at a different game.

Wtf are you talking about? Even "you" don't play by your own rules. :oldlol:

[SEEBASS1234]

even if they would have called every single travel, they still would have lost

[madmax]

What I don't understand is this...

Basketball was invented in the United States by James Naismith in 1891. Basketball is an American game. Why should we have to conform to "International Rules"? If they want to play us at our game, use our rules or stop complaining.

The NBA has the best players in the world, this can not be argued.

There are many other leagues around the world with quite a few good players. It's adorable. But if you want to play us at our game, play by our rules. It's retarded that international fans think it's amazing that America plays poorly when playing what is in essence a very different game when playing by international rules.

That's what internationals don't understand. Americans don't care about your rules or your leagues. This is our game. You want to play it? Fine, great. But don't play by different rules and then run around screaming with excitement when you beat the US at a different game.
:roll: :roll: You mean we should play by "your" rules, which are what exactly? Coz FIBA rules are the ones the whole world plays apart from that league called NBA...and it's even more flattering when those guys call themselves "World Champions", when they basically play a different game under different set of rules than all the other world around them:lol Look, I love NBA, Lebron is my all time favorite player, but I'm also european and I like FIBA brand of ball as well. You cannot say that NBA powns all the other leagues just because they have the best players from all arround the globe - USA is just a fraction of the world, yet they feel the need to impose their ego on ignorance on everyone else...grow up and open your eyes to the world

[bdreason]

It wasn't NBA rules. Offensive interference was allowed. Key was different. 3 point line was different. Less fouls allowed. 20 minute halves.

Closer to FIBA rules, than NBA rules. Nice try though lakas fan yo.


edit - And we still dominated, so what's the point of this thread?

[bdreason]

:roll: :roll: You mean we should play by "your" rules, which are what exactly? Coz FIBA rules are the ones the whole world plays apart from that league called NBA...and it's even more flattering when those guys call themselves "World Champions", when they basically play a different game under different set of rules than all the other world around them:lol Look, I love NBA, Lebron is my all time favorite player, but I'm also european and I like FIBA brand of ball as well. You cannot say that NBA powns all the other leagues just because they have the best players from all arround the globe - USA is just a fraction of the world, yet they feel the need to impose their ego on ignorance on everyone else...grow up and open your eyes to the world


NBA rules were established first. FIBA chose to make their rules different (to benefit less athletic and less talented players)... and we should change our rules? :roll:

[asu77golf]

:roll: :roll: You mean we should play by "your" rules, which are what exactly? Coz FIBA rules are the ones the whole world plays apart from that league called NBA...and it's even more flattering when those guys call themselves "World Champions", when they basically play a different game under different set of rules than all the other world around them:lol Look, I love NBA, Lebron is my all time favorite player, but I'm also european and I like FIBA brand of ball as well. You cannot say that NBA powns all the other leagues just because they have the best players from all arround the globe - USA is just a fraction of the world, yet they feel the need to impose their ego on ignorance on everyone else...grow up and open your eyes to the world

Please. The US is not just some random country that likes to play basketball.

We spawned the ****ing game.

If the rest of the world wants to play by their own rules that's great. But the game was invented here and we reserve the right to edit it as we see fit. This is why Americans don't take FIBA seriously.

The lack of respect you show to America as the originator of the game makes all your comments about American ignorance and ego disingenuous.

[hawksdogsbraves]

So still no source to this conspiracy?

It's funny how lakers fan yo keeps bringing this shit up with NO sources backing him up at all. What a clown.

[Timmy D for MVP]

I do not understand the mind set of the OP. Is he arguing that the US sucks or that the NBA does?

Either way he's wrong.

Look the NBA is clearly a different beast, and if the team truly was given their rules then the world has zero shot.

Yet I have yet to see the OP's sources.

As for this American vs Internatioinal knowledge of the game thing, who the f

[vinsane01]

Wtf are you talking about? Even "you" don't play by your own rules. :oldlol:

QFT

I love the nba but I hate it when they show highlights of players making a spectacular play after traveling. It makes no sense. Why not make it a 4 or 5 step rule if youre not gonna call the 3 step.

BTW, James naismith is canadian. As far as im concerned this sport belongs to the canadians. :lol

[stephanieg]

Dunno why Americans would hype up the 2008 performance. The gold medal game was very close. That is to say, we were played neck and neck by a bunch of lily white Spaniards vs. our HOF team.

[Quizno]

:roll: :roll: You mean we should play by "your" rules, which are what exactly? Coz FIBA rules are the ones the whole world plays apart from that league called NBA...and it's even more flattering when those guys call themselves "World Champions", when they basically play a different game under different set of rules than all the other world around them:lol Look, I love NBA, Lebron is my all time favorite player, but I'm also european and I like FIBA brand of ball as well. You cannot say that NBA powns all the other leagues just because they have the best players from all arround the globe - USA is just a fraction of the world, yet they feel the need to impose their ego on ignorance on everyone else...grow up and open your eyes to the world

you have got to be kidding me. that league called the NBA? don't even start with FIBA rules being the rules the whole world plays by. you're the ones who disregarded our rules, the actual, original rules of the game and decided to modify it. if you want to get down to the very roots of the game that FIBA plays, it's not even basketball. it's your own modified version of it. keep it.

it's like if we took your soccer rules and changed them completely. does that make it legitimate? no, it makes it stupid.

and no, i'm not mad

[che guevara]

I am not saying Redeem team won the Olympic Games because of that, they were the best team, they had the best players, they offered us the best basketball in the championship and one of the best final games I remember in a long period of time.


But... to bring some balance to the debate I will say they made several clear travelling that weren't call.

We posted it in another thread but let do it again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-__b94XN1dA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EL5-Kt_QKs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_b8N7DL280

All in a single game… It could have a psychological influence on the opponents... In addition Lebron always travel and carry the ball, even in NBA but when it comes to international tournament (stricter than NBA regarding travelling) you suddenly don't think he does.
:oldlol: The 2nd one isn't even traveling. Wade takes one step, then a hop step and establishes his pivot foot, and jumps off 2 feet. The one with Lebron catching the ball is traveling, but it didn't give him any advantage since nobody was near him. The one with the guy driving to the basket was 2 steps, since his foot was on the floor when he caught the ball. The one with a guy doing a 360 on a fast break is impossible to tell because of the crappy camera angles.

I'm sure if I watched every game, I could find cases where people on other teams traveled but it wasn't called. Most of these weren't even travels in the first place.

[Floppy]

This thread lacks ignorance.

[bluechox]

the reason he cant find any information about his allegations is because after stern "payed" off FIBA, he then went over to FIBA headquarters with a gun and made them destroy any evidence and brainwashed them and took the money back. Bet you FIBA would also be wondering what this fool is talking about. Then your left with all these euros wanting some meaning in their life

[Cangri]

I am not saying Redeem team won the Olympic Games because of that, they were the best team, they had the best players, they offered us the best basketball in the championship and one of the best final games I remember in a long period of time.


But... to bring some balance to the debate I will say they made several clear travelling that weren't call.

We posted it in another thread but let do it again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-__b94XN1dA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EL5-Kt_QKs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_b8N7DL280

All in a single game… It could have a psychological influence on the opponents... In addition Lebron always travel and carry the ball, even in NBA but when it comes to international tournament (stricter than NBA regarding travelling) you suddenly don't think he does.
Ok Just watched the first BIASED video and noticed that the first travel wasn't even from the gold medal game, what's more funny is that
it only shows only 3 "travels" :roll: and one wasn't even from the gold medal game. Hell even the Kobe dunk wasn't very clear if it indeed was a travel.

I'm sorry but IMHO I think that people from other countries were just mad that USA owned their asses that they have to make stupid excuses.

[hawksdogsbraves]

the reason he cant find any information about his allegations is because after stern "payed" off FIBA, he then went over to FIBA headquarters with a gun and made them destroy any evidence and brainwashed them and took the money back. Bet you FIBA would also be wondering what this fool is talking about. Then your left with all these euros wanting some meaning in their life

This is the truth as far as I can gather from this bullshit thread with NO sources.

[Qwertyazerty]

:oldlol: The 2nd one isn't even traveling. Wade takes one step, then a hop step and establishes his pivot foot, and jumps off 2 feet. The one with Lebron catching the ball is traveling, but it didn't give him any advantage since nobody was near him. The one with the guy driving to the basket was 2 steps, since his foot was on the floor when he caught the ball. The one with a guy doing a 360 on a fast break is impossible to tell because of the crappy camera angles.

I'm sure if I watched every game, I could find cases where people on other teams traveled but it wasn't called. Most of these weren't even travels in the first place.

You can argue about US being better than any other basketball nation, about Stern not having paid anything to have an advantage, etc. I will not debate on that because I think you'll be right. But trying to say those are not FIBA travelling is absurd

[Djax12]

What I don't understand is this...

Basketball was invented in the United States by James Naismith in 1891. Basketball is an American game. Why should we have to conform to "International Rules"? If they want to play us at our game, use our rules or stop complaining.



Which "American rules" do you refer to?
You do know that even NBA and NCAA has different rules right?

[U got Served]

Obviously he means NBA rules. Its been almost 24 hrs and still no sources. :violin:

[Lakas Fan Yo]

FIBA was formed in 1932 and NBA in 1946. Americans in this thread are liars and have no intention of doing anything but lying and further spreading their propaganda.

"NBA rules came first"........... unbelievable.

[Lebron23]

FIBA was formed in 1932 and NBA in 1946. Americans in this thread are liars and have no intention of doing anything but lying and further spreading their propaganda.

"NBA rules came first"........... unbelievable.

http://likethedew.com/img/beating-a-dead-horse.gif

[lil_watz]

Congrats, you showed three questionable travels. So with giving you the benefit of the doubt we can take away six points from Team USA and yet we still win 112 to 107.

Now on to the OP, if we played by NBA rules the game would have indeed been harder for team USA. That means the 3 point line would have to be moved back, which there was no other line for Team USA to use. The basket interference would be called on us, which again would make it harder on us. Also FIBA allows you to grab an airball after you shoot it, probably to benefit you and again making it harder on Team USA.

Really what I am getting at here is that you have been complaining because your team lost and in doing so you have proven that Team USA had to work harder to beat your team and they still did. Thank you for showing me that Team USA can still win in FIBA play even when the odds are stacked against them.

[Qwertyazerty]

More than three and not at all questionable

[BFRESH44]

FIBA was formed in 1932 and NBA in 1946. Americans in this thread are liars and have no intention of doing anything but lying and further spreading their propaganda.

"NBA rules came first"........... unbelievable.

You are a joke in every sense of the word.

:oldlol: Talking about LIARS? Propaganda? What exactly do you call what you're doing?

You have YET to cite any reputable source to validate your erroneous claims.

Still waiting for that. All I'm seeing is a foreign crybaby.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

French media:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.basketnews.net/asp.net/main.blogs/details.aspx%3Fblog%3D5%26id%3D63&ei=S_ioS73jLYSBlAfVm_WhDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CBwQ7gEwBQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3DChantal%2BJulien%2BBasketnews%26hl%3D en%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN


Spanish media:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://archivo.marca.com/edicion/marca/baloncesto/seleccion/es/desarrollo/1194833.html&ei=GPeoS7aECoSKlwevu_iGDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CCUQ7gEwBg&prev=/search%3Fq%3DChantal%2BJulien%2BBasketnews%26hl%3D en%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://lavilla.rtve.es/xn/detail/2073249:Comment:106607&ei=GPeoS7aECoSKlwevu_iGDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CCkQ7gEwBw&prev=/search%3Fq%3DChantal%2BJulien%2BBasketnews%26hl%3D en%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.elmundodeportivo.es/web/gen/20081226/noticia_53605781383.html&ei=GPeoS7aECoSKlwevu_iGDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CC4Q7gEwCA&prev=/search%3Fq%3DChantal%2BJulien%2BBasketnews%26hl%3D en%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG


an excerpt in English:


http://www.ballineurope.com/countries/greece/x-mas-cigarettes-2/

The French referee Chantal Julien who officiated during the Olympic Games talks about the decisive game between Spain and the USA. In an interview with the French magazine Basketnews, Chantal comes back to this memorable game with the following words:

"You don’t call the same things on the Americans that you do call on other teams. You have to call the most evident of the evident things. If you whistle a travel every time that Kobe Bryant starts a drive, you will get whistled, you as the referee … During the final, the Spanish team was penalized on the US travels. With the consequences that we know at the end with the two technical fouls on non-called traveling violations. This was embarrassing…"

[hawksdogsbraves]

FIBA was formed in 1932 and NBA in 1946. Americans in this thread are liars and have no intention of doing anything but lying and further spreading their propaganda.

"NBA rules came first"........... unbelievable.

Unless you have some sources to back up your absurd claims then it is you who is lying and spreading propaganda.

And by sources I do not mean terribly translated french blogs.

[Iceburn]

The obvious Kobe travel in the finals would have maybe given the Spaniards a chance.

[bdreason]

While it's true that FIBA was formed before the NBA, the NBA has been setting the standard for rule changes since the 50's. The NBA is responsible for what Basketball is today, including basic fundamentals of the game like the shot clock and 3 point line. FIBA continues to alter it's rules based on the NBA rules, because they recognize the NBA as the mecca of Basketball, and is doing so once again for the next Olympics; The key is being changed to a square, 3-point line being moved back, and no-charge semi-circle being added.

FIBA follows the NBA, not the other way around. NBA sets the standard, as has for over 50 years.

[dnyk1337]

FIBA was formed in 1932 and NBA in 1946. Americans in this thread are liars and have no intention of doing anything but lying and further spreading their propaganda.

"NBA rules came first"........... unbelievable.

Can you...... die?

[Jack]

Sorry man but AMERICA still ROCKS!


FAWK YEAH!

[Timmy D for MVP]

While it's true that FIBA was formed before the NBA, the NBA has been setting the standard for rule changes since the 50's. The NBA is responsible for what Basketball is today, including basic fundamentals of the game like the shot clock and 3 point line. FIBA continues to alter it's rules based on the NBA rules, because they recognize the NBA as the mecca of Basketball, and is doing so once again for the next Olympics; The key is being changed to a square, 3-point line being moved back, and no-charge semi-circle being added.

FIBA follows the NBA, not the other way around. NBA sets the standard, as has for over 50 years.

Indeed. Though the NBA (then the BAA) was not around until the forties, there were also still attempts at pro leagues. It was just until that time that someone brought together some people that were really able to get a league going (barely if I might add.)

And the NBA is the highest form of basketball being played thus it seems logical that rules coming from there influenced rules that other leagues had.

[Pursuer]

While it's true that FIBA was formed before the NBA, the NBA has been setting the standard for rule changes since the 50's. The NBA is responsible for what Basketball is today, including basic fundamentals of the game like the shot clock and 3 point line. FIBA continues to alter it's rules based on the NBA rules, because they recognize the NBA as the mecca of Basketball, and is doing so once again for the next Olympics; The key is being changed to a square, 3-point line being moved back, and no-charge semi-circle being added.

FIBA follows the NBA, not the other way around. NBA sets the standard, as has for over 50 years.

All of this is done to get the entertainment value of the game up and consequently improve the financial situation of basketball outside the United states. FIBA's going the offensive basketball way, because they recognized how much it helped the NBA to improve it's financial situation. Besides the semifinal and following stages of the playoffs, NBA is really shitty basketball. It's basically to make money, because it is actually business and there's no denying it. The situation in Europe, however, is different. Basketball is more of a competition here, not as much business, but it looks like FIBA's going the more western direction now, so changes are coming.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

While it's true that FIBA was formed before the NBA, the NBA has been setting the standard for rule changes since the 50's. The NBA is responsible for what Basketball is today, including basic fundamentals of the game like the shot clock and 3 point line. FIBA continues to alter it's rules based on the NBA rules, because they recognize the NBA as the mecca of Basketball, and is doing so once again for the next Olympics; The key is being changed to a square, 3-point line being moved back, and no-charge semi-circle being added.

FIBA follows the NBA, not the other way around. NBA sets the standard, as has for over 50 years.

Once again you have facts all wrong. ULEB (who runs the Euroleague and Eurocup) is actually the one that changed the rules and FIBA followed them. The Euroleague was the first to adopt those new rules, not FIBA.

[bdreason]

Basketball is more of a competition here, not as much business, but it looks like FIBA's going the more western direction now, so changes are coming.


You're so full of shyt your breath stinks. Basketball isn't a business in Europe? :roll: :roll: :roll:


FIBA has been following the NBA rules since the 50's, this isn't some new revelation. As I stated before, the majority of the rules FIBA currently plays by were created by the NBA.

[bdreason]

Once again you have facts all wrong. ULEB (who runs the Euroleague and Eurocup) is actually the one that changed the rules and FIBA followed them. The Euroleague was the first to adopt those new rules, not FIBA.


The truth remains that the NBA sets the standard, as has for over 50 years. We create the rules, and everyone else falls in line.

[Pursuer]

You're so full of shyt your breath stinks. Basketball isn't a business in Europe? :roll: :roll: :roll:


FIBA has been following the NBA rules since the 50's, this isn't some new revelation. As I stated before, the majority of the rules FIBA currently plays by were created by the NBA.


Yeah, first of all try to comprehend what I write. That's - basketball in europe isn't as much business as in NBA. It's more a competition, that's why they kept the zone defense, that's why they have a defensive 3 second rule, that's why they don't have 3 minute commercial breaks, that's why they don't promote basketball in a "Lebron vs whoever" way, they promote it as a team sport, not as an entertainment product.

[bdreason]

Yeah, first of all try to comprehend what I write. That's - basketball in europe isn't as much business as in NBA. It's more a competition, that's why they kept the zone defense, that's why they have a defensive 3 second rule, that's why they don't have 3 minute commercial breaks, that's why they don't promote basketball in a "Lebron vs whoever" way, they promote it as a team sport, not as an entertainment product.


Once again, you're full of shyt. Basketball isn't "as much of a business" in Europe because it's the minor leagues, and even people in Europe recognize the NBA is the cream of the crop. It's no different than people in the USA who don't watch MLS... because it's a joke, and European Soccer leagues are far superior. Maybe I should say, "oh well Soccer in Europe is just more about entertainment, that's why it's more popular and has better players... the MLS is more about competition". :roll:


It's funny when European fans try to play the "NBA is more entertainment" angle to justify the fact that their leagues are inferior. The NBA is big business because the best players in the World play in the NBA. The NBA has been setting the standard for Basketball since the 50's, and continues to do so.

[asu77golf]

Once again you have facts all wrong. ULEB (who runs the Euroleague and Eurocup) is actually the one that changed the rules and FIBA followed them. The Euroleague was the first to adopt those new rules, not FIBA.

Conversing with you is like trying to speak with a brick wall that has "I HATE AMERICA" written all over it. I'm done.

[SEEBASS1234]

@ Lakas Fan Yo
http://a3.vox.com/6a00d4142efd3f3c7f00d414332aab3c7f-500pi

[Lakas Fan Yo]

The truth remains that the NBA sets the standard, as has for over 50 years. We create the rules, and everyone else falls in line.


There are no commercials in Euroleague games. Funny, seeing how you believe everyone else copies the NBA. If that was the case there would be the 30 minute long last 5 minutes of games like in the NBA.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Once again, you're full of shyt. Basketball isn't "as much of a business" in Europe because it's the minor leagues, and even people in Europe recognize the NBA is the cream of the crop. It's no different than people in the USA who don't watch MLS... because it's a joke, and European Soccer leagues are far superior. Maybe I should say, "oh well Soccer in Europe is just more about entertainment, that's why it's more popular and has better players... the MLS is more about competition". :roll:


It's funny when European fans try to play the "NBA is more entertainment" angle to justify the fact that their leagues are inferior. The NBA is big business because the best players in the World play in the NBA. The NBA has been setting the standard for Basketball since the 50's, and continues to do so.


The MLE is considered about the 20-25 best soccer league in the world. Anyone that compares that to the Euroleague is an idiot and has no point and has no logic.

The basketball equivalent of the MLS is something like the Swiss or Austrian domestic league, which are considered semi amateur.

Yeah perfect reasoning there. Clearly you have warped thinking due to your nationalist patriotism and refuse to be objective.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Conversing with you is like trying to speak with a brick wall that has "I HATE AMERICA" written all over it. I'm done.

Right, anyone with facts instead of marketing hype is "Anti American".

[HiphopRelated]

lol, this is so asinine

[asu77golf]

Right, anyone with facts instead of marketing hype is "Anti American".
:oldlol: that's all you get. laughter

[asu77golf]

The MLE is considered about the 20-25 best soccer league in the world. Anyone that compares that to the Euroleague is an idiot and has no point and has no logic.

The basketball equivalent of the MLS is something like the Swiss or Austrian domestic league, which are considered semi amateur.

Yeah perfect reasoning there. Clearly you have warped thinking due to your nationalist patriotism and refuse to be objective.

Yeah, that's why Everton is SOOO happy to see Donovan head back to the Galaxy. What a joke.

It's actually a great comparison. Because the U.S. beat Spain in the Confederations Cup, does that mean that the U.S. is a great soccer country? :oldlol:

Just because we're Americans doesn't mean we're dumbasses.

This is the way it is, like it or not:

Basketball is an American sport. We will play it how we see fit. If internationals want to continue playing it their way, that's fine. But they are not the rules of basketball, we will decide what those are. And in all honesty, as butt hurt as you get about that, international opinion just doesn't matter. This is our sport. The money is here, in America. We have the best league, BY FAR. We will play it as we see fit. Get over it.

Now, if the FIBA league wants to continue making it's own rules... again, that's adorable. But it's not the real version of basketball. The real version is the one played here, in America, where it was invented.

edit: and until other countries can beat us by our own rules, at our own game, the American public will never recognize the champion as truly legitimate. And again, as butt hurt as you get about that, it doesn't matter. That's the way it is.

another edit: your attempt to disregard the MLS as legitimate, while touting equally mediocre international basketball leagues relative to the NBA, shows your true intentions and views. You are a biased clown, and should be taken as seriously as a 4 year old with down syndrome.

[ZenMaster]

Yeah, that's why Everton is SOOO happy to see Donovan head back to the Galaxy. What a joke.

It's actually a great comparison. Because the U.S. beat Spain in the Confederations Cup, does that mean that the U.S. is a great soccer country? :oldlol:

Just because we're Americans doesn't mean we're dumbasses.

This is the way it is, like it or not:

Basketball is an American sport. We will play it how we see fit. If internationals want to continue playing it their way, that's fine. But they are not the rules of basketball, we will decide what those are. And in all honesty, as butt hurt as you get about that, international opinion just doesn't matter. This is our sport. The money is here, in America. We have the best league, BY FAR. We will play it as we see fit. Get over it.

Now, if the FIBA league wants to continue making it's own rules... again, that's adorable. But it's not the real version of basketball. The real version is the one played here, in America, where it was invented.

edit: and until other countries can beat us by our own rules, at our own game, the American public will never recognize the champion as truly legitimate. And again, as butt hurt as you get about that, it doesn't matter. That's the way it is.

another edit: your attempt to disregard the MLS as legitimate, while touting equally mediocre international basketball leagues relative to the NBA, shows your true intentions and views. You are a biased clown, and should be taken as seriously as a 4 year old with down syndrome.

But which version are you talking about, NBA, NCAA or HS?

[asu77golf]

But which version are you talking about, NBA, NCAA or HS?

Yeah, that's a good point. But regardless, those are all American basketball institutions. I suppose I'm talking about the NBA, seeing as we're comparing pro leagues.

I'd be all for a standardization of international basketball rules, but the institution which decides these rules should be based in America and on American rules... which I guess is my point. Just my opinion, I guess.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Yeah, that's why Everton is SOOO happy to see Donovan head back to the Galaxy. What a joke.

It's actually a great comparison. Because the U.S. beat Spain in the Confederations Cup, does that mean that the U.S. is a great soccer country? :oldlol:

Just because we're Americans doesn't mean we're dumbasses.

This is the way it is, like it or not:

Basketball is an American sport. We will play it how we see fit. If internationals want to continue playing it their way, that's fine. But they are not the rules of basketball, we will decide what those are. And in all honesty, as butt hurt as you get about that, international opinion just doesn't matter. This is our sport. The money is here, in America. We have the best league, BY FAR. We will play it as we see fit. Get over it.

Now, if the FIBA league wants to continue making it's own rules... again, that's adorable. But it's not the real version of basketball. The real version is the one played here, in America, where it was invented.

edit: and until other countries can beat us by our own rules, at our own game, the American public will never recognize the champion as truly legitimate. And again, as butt hurt as you get about that, it doesn't matter. That's the way it is.

another edit: your attempt to disregard the MLS as legitimate, while touting equally mediocre international basketball leagues relative to the NBA, shows your true intentions and views. You are a biased clown, and should be taken as seriously as a 4 year old with down syndrome.

You are an idiot.

[Timmy D for MVP]

There are no commercials in Euroleague games. Funny, seeing how you believe everyone else copies the NBA. If that was the case there would be the 30 minute long last 5 minutes of games like in the NBA.

I'm sorry I'm a little confused.

This has what to do with the rules precident the NBA creates?

[ZenMaster]

Yeah, that's a good point. But regardless, those are all American basketball institutions. I suppose I'm talking about the NBA, seeing as we're comparing pro leagues.

I'd be all for a standardization of international basketball rules, but the institution which decides these rules should be based in America and on American rules... which I guess is my point. Just my opinion, I guess.

Fair enough. The standardization has begun though with the new rule changes in international basketball taking effect by next year, so that's a good step forward.

There are pros and cons for every league though, i generally love to watch NCAA as the players give it all they got, but i hate the 35s shot clock and i don't understand why it wouldn't be 24s like in the rest of the world.

I also love watching the NBA, the talent of the athletes is just amazing since it's such a small league where only the very best make it. One should never forget that even the biggest "scrub" who sits at the end of the bench is an incredible basketball player who have worked so unbelievably hard his entire life to make it even to that spot.

I just think it's too bad that the NBA is so focused on being a money making corporation where the image of the game is so driven towards it (big rule changes to fit the offensive side in the last decade).

The absolute worst thing about the NBA and NCAA though is the tv timeouts, the day somebody came up with that was just a sad day for sports in general. It changes the flow of the game and sets it apart from basketball in the rest of the world. The breaks work like normal timeouts and somewhat take the aspect of using regular team timeouts efficiently out of the game, which is big considering how important it is to make in-game adjustments in basketball.

It's just sad that the NBA is so focused on the offensive game, as this is the league most kids watch and pick up their inspiration from. It's just easy for kids to only see the offensive side of the game, and along with all the commentators talking about how it is almost impossible to guard guys 1on1 etc. it's just easy for kids to forget about defensive effort when they play themselves, as this is how it's done in the NBA.

The club at which i coach in Europe, we generally try to play with as little help defense as possible when the kids are really young. Instead we try to get them into the mindset that if you can't guard your guy 1on1, then you are simply not good enough on defense. We as coaches know 1on1 defense IS really hard, but being good at it is something all kids should aspire to as basketball players. We try to push this mentality as early as possible.
We also try to make them watch euroleague games instead of NBA games, as good fundamentals show up more in in euro ball since the players are not as athletic and gifted as in the NBA.

My main point is that the NBA being the best league in the world, it should also be the league that shows kids how to play the game the right way, and that is not the case anymore, most coaches agree on this, and the reason for this is money.

[U got Served]

You are an idiot.

No, YOU are an idiot. You keep babbling the same retarded shit and have no sources to back up your nonsense. There are the same words from the MAIN REFEREE in response to what Julien said....



"What Julien says is misplaced and lacks content," Arteaga explained yesterday to AS. I think she is making it up. Every day we had a technical meeting and there was no talk of the steps the U.S. *traveling calls*, took no slogans, much less notices after the games. I would Pite steps (call traveling) without no one telling me anything. If something like that would have occurred, as a Spanish I would have been the first to denounce it. Another thing to is to opine on the final arbitration (final match). But there were never instructions from FIBA, instead, we were told to call everyone the same, regardless of the name. Perhaps she lacked the strength to point out a few steps *travel* from Bryant. One thing is not to interfere in the game, and a non-actions indicate steps in one on one .

google translate kida sucks...

[madmax]

No, YOU are an idiot. You keep babbling the same retarded shit and have no sources to back up your nonsense. There are the same words from the MAIN REFEREE in response to what Julien said....




google translate kida sucks...
and what did you expect Arteaga to say officially?:lol "Yeah, americans were allowed to make 10 steps without dribbling the ball...". C'mon now - he wants to keep his job and reputation as clean as possible, without any controversy involved. He's ULEB referee and that organization is very much trying to lick NBA's ass nowadays, not to mention games were held in China, which has huge NBA following and superstars like Bryant and James are worshipped like gods there...we europeans however can say what we saw and we have no need to hide anything - US team was allowed to travel, palm the ball and generally speaking their games always had lopsided refereeing...you can say we are butt hurt, but all we wanted was fair judgement of the games without pro-american ass licking involved

[Walker]

Hmm this must be some big conspiracy or something. After researching for about 30 minutes I've found absolutely nothing to support these claims WHATSOEVER.
Stern must have paid the interwebz to remove any and all articles related to this supposed "different rules" senario.
OP, don't go trying to pass off someone annoyed dudes opinions as fact, you just come off looking like a ****....

/THREAD

[U got Served]

and what did you expect Arteaga to say officially?:lol "Yeah, americans were allowed to make 10 steps without dribbling the ball...". C'mon now - he wants to keep his job and reputation as clean as possible, without any controversy involved. He's ULEB referee and that organization is very much trying to lick NBA's ass nowadays, not to mention games were held in China, which has huge NBA following and superstars like Bryant and James are worshipped like gods there...we europeans however can say what we saw and we have no need to hide anything - US team was allowed to travel, palm the ball and generally speaking their games always had lopsided refereeing...you can say we are butt hurt, but all we wanted was fair judgement of the games without pro-american ass licking involved

You can think and say whatever you want, at the end of the day you have no sources to back that up; and with out them, you have no credibility whatsoever.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Hmm this must be some big conspiracy or something. After researching for about 30 minutes I've found absolutely nothing to support these claims WHATSOEVER.
Stern must have paid the interwebz to remove any and all articles related to this supposed "different rules" senario.
OP, don't go trying to pass off someone annoyed dudes opinions as fact, you just come off looking like a ****....

/THREAD

I guess you missed the part where the French ref that reffed the Olympics said the USA was allowed to travel and other teams were not and that if the other team complained about it they were given technical fouls.

Nice selective reasoning there. The NBA fans are sooooooo funny, "we demand proof an Olympic ref said this"..........


Give them proof, and the response is "never happened"..............

[Lakas Fan Yo]

You can think and say whatever you want, at the end of the day you have no sources to back that up; and with out them, you have no credibility whatsoever.


The sources were already provided. You can say a billion times they were not, it does not change the fact that you are lying. Also anyone that is not biased and lying will read the thread, see the sources and then see you lie that they were not posted. Clearly, you are a liar and from this point on anything you say in this matter is worthless.

The funniest part is the whole "give me an English source or it did not happen"..........when English sources were provided already. I also find it funny the claim that any source outside US media "does not count"............and how you imply that only the English language matters in the world

Right because US media has such a perfect track record, what with all the "Iraq did 9-11", "Iraq has WMD", reporting...........In fact the UN rates US media not much better or more reliable than Chinese media. Please, you are so ignorant that it is embarrassing.

I mean imagine that ESPN did not want to report Olympic refs claiming they helped Team USA win. Wow, that is absolutely shocking that ESPN did not plaster that all over their front page. Get real.

The level of nationalistic xenophobia that you have displayed in this thread is really sad.

[Blue&Orange]

What I don't understand is this...

Basketball was invented in the United States by James Naismith in 1891. Basketball is an American game. Why should we have to conform to "International Rules"? If they want to play us at our game, use our rules or stop complaining.

The NBA has the best players in the world, this can not be argued.

There are many other leagues around the world with quite a few good players. It's adorable. But if you want to play us at our game, play by our rules. It's retarded that international fans think it's amazing that America plays poorly when playing what is in essence a very different game when playing by international rules.

That's what internationals don't understand. Americans don't care about your rules or your leagues. This is our game. You want to play it? Fine, great. But don't play by different rules and then run around screaming with excitement when you beat the US at a different game.
First James Naismith was Canadian, so good luck with that argument. Second, even if he was American, US was founded upon the bloodline of the rejects of Europe, so good luck with that second argument as well :D

[U got Served]

The sources were already provided.

Umm, no they weren't. All you have is a quote from one referee, Chantal Julien. Here it is...

You don’t call the same things on the Americans than you do call on other teams. You have to call the most evident of the evident things. If you whistle a travel every time that Kobe Bryant starts a drive, you will get whistled, you as the referee … During the final, the Spanish team was penalized on the US travels. With the consequences that we know at the end with the two technical fouls on non-called traveling violations. This was embarrassing…

Let me point out that she was not officiating the final between Spain and USA, she was in charge of the Germany/USA game. Besides, I've already stated the words of the MAIN referee, Arteaga, of the same Germ/USA match. He is basically calling her out, calling her a liar.

How exactly do your "sources" prove your original statements.


The Olympic ref committee, FIBA, and the Chinese Basketball Federation all stated that Team USA was allowed to play with NBA rules during all of their games at the Olympics.


It was stated by the Olympic refs and the Chinese Basketball Federation, in both Chinese and European media that Team USA was allowed to carry the ball, palm the ball, and to travel and that all the other teams were not.


Team USA was informed of this directly and told that they did NOT have to abide by FIBA rules and the other teams did.


The reason given for this was said to be that Stern gave a large amount of money to FIBA, the Olympics, and the Chinese Basketball Federation prior to the games

:violin: I don't even know why I bother replying.

Laker fan yo: I am right because I say I am, you are wrong because my statements are right.

[Legendofthe718]

First James Naismith was Canadian, so good luck with that argument. Second, even if he was American, US was founded upon the bloodline of the rejects of Europe, so good luck with that second argument as well :D

You must be European.

[Legendofthe718]

The sources were already provided. You can say a billion times they were not, it does not change the fact that you are lying. Also anyone that is not biased and lying will read the thread, see the sources and then see you lie that they were not posted. Clearly, you are a liar and from this point on anything you say in this matter is worthless.

The funniest part is the whole "give me an English source or it did not happen"..........when English sources were provided already. I also find it funny the claim that any source outside US media "does not count"............and how you imply that only the English language matters in the world

Right because US media has such a perfect track record, what with all the "Iraq did 9-11", "Iraq has WMD", reporting...........In fact the UN rates US media not much better or more reliable than Chinese media. Please, you are so ignorant that it is embarrassing.

I mean imagine that ESPN did not want to report Olympic refs claiming they helped Team USA win. Wow, that is absolutely shocking that ESPN did not plaster that all over their front page. Get real.

The level of nationalistic xenophobia that you have displayed in this thread is really sad.

Dude you sound like a nutcase with your anti-american diatribes, you give europeans a bad name with all your sourceless rants. You sound like the liar to me, with all your biased arguments.

no xeno :D

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Dude you sound like a nutcase with your anti-american diatribes, you give europeans a bad name with all your sourceless rants. You sound like the liar to me, with all your biased arguments.

no xeno :D

Anti American? No, I am not "anti American". But that is what "patriotic" xenophobic Americans call anyone that points out American lies and propaganda. It's a broken record and beating a dead horse.

No one outside the US even considers the whole "anti American" thing even for a second anymore. You need a new Orwellian slogan, because that one ran its useful course a long time ago.

[Myth]

Anti American? No, I am not "anti American". But that is what "patriotic" xenophobic Americans call anyone that points out American lies and propaganda. It's a broken record and beating a dead horse.

No one outside the US even considers the whole "anti American" thing even for a second anymore. You need a new Orwellian slogan, because that one ran its useful course a long time ago.

Why are you overlooking U Got Served's post? :confusedshrug:

[Walker]

I guess you missed the part where the French ref that reffed the Olympics said the USA was allowed to travel and other teams were not and that if the other team complained about it they were given technical fouls.

Nice selective reasoning there. The NBA fans are sooooooo funny, "we demand proof an Olympic ref said this"..........


Give them proof, and the response is "never happened"..............
Huh? How exactly does one person commenting on a team not being called for travelling in one game convert to proof for:

"The Olympic ref committee, FIBA, and the Chinese Basketball Federation all stated that Team USA was allowed to play with NBA rules during all of their games at the Olympics. "

You said FIBA made an announcement about it, where is the press release? It's dissapeared from existance?
You expect people here to believe that no other country would challenge that? It would bring the whole Olympic Basketball program into disripute, it'd be a media STORM "USA allowed to play easy mode at Olympics"

I'm not from America so your US media bias doesn't wash, I heard nothing of it at the time, I can find nothing of it now.
Grow up child.

[U got Served]

bump....so everyone can see what this clown is all about. He NEVER showed his sources.

[fubu05]

Don't bother with this retard. He thinks Sofoklis is 10x the player Chris Kaman (All-Star) and Marcus Camby (All-Star & DPOY) can ever DREAM of being.

Racism RULES!

http://asianamericanmovement.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/spain-basketball-cp-584-5321.jpg

[U got Served]

Lakas fan yo......I'd like for you to cite your sources on your original comments. Stop pretending like you're not reading this you clown.

[GoldNugg21]

Anti American? No, I am not "anti American". But that is what "patriotic" xenophobic Americans call anyone that points out American lies and propaganda. It's a broken record and beating a dead horse.

No one outside the US even considers the whole "anti American" thing even for a second anymore. You need a new Orwellian slogan, because that one ran its useful course a long time ago.
:eek:

Dude, almost every post you make has disparaging remarks about "xenophobic Americans". If that's not an obvious anti American agenda, then nothing short of extreme terrorist type propaganda is.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

:eek:

Dude, almost every post you make has disparaging remarks about "xenophobic Americans". If that's not an obvious anti American agenda, then nothing short of extreme terrorist type propaganda is.

I can't stand xenophobic Americans. That is not a disparaging remark against Americans. Believe it or not, every American is not a xenophobe. Sure, amongst NBA fans here the rate is disturbingly high (99 percent), but for most of America it's probably only about 70%.

I have absolutely no problem with Americans that are normal, intelligent, and nice people. I just don't like the ones that are obvious douches. And I feel the same about people from all countries.

[dukecitydave]

I can't stand xenophobic Americans. That is not a disparaging remark against Americans. Believe it or not, every American is not a xenophobe. Sure, amongst NBA fans the rate is disturbingly high (99 percent), but for most of America it's probably only about 70%.

I have absolutely no problem with Americans that are normal, intelligent, and nice people. I just don't like the ones that are obvious douches. And I feel the same about people from all countries.

I can understand your frustration with xenophobe America. I feel the same way at times, but honestly, Is a basketball forum really the proper place to vent? Seriously, how do you come up with these numbers!!! 99% of all NBA fans?!?! I'm sure there are other forums that are a little better suited for this topic (hell, I bet this topic would get 20 pages in the OTC forum).

You cant just come in here and spout off all these crazy accusations with out backing it up and expect a positive result or welcome. That would be like going to a Walmart in South Carolina and start talking trash about Garth Brooks! You just dont do it! Pick your battles (and the battle ground for that matter) a little better.

[U got Served]

I can't stand xenophobic Americans. That is not a disparaging remark against Americans. Believe it or not, every American is not a xenophobe. Sure, amongst NBA fans here the rate is disturbingly high (99 percent), but for most of America it's probably only about 70%.

I have absolutely no problem with Americans that are normal, intelligent, and nice people. I just don't like the ones that are obvious douches. And I feel the same about people from all countries.

I love how you responded to GoldNugg but chose to ignore my post asking you to cite your sources. :roll:

[Lakas Fan Yo]

I can understand your frustration with xenophobe America. I feel the same way at times, but honestly, Is a basketball forum really the proper place to vent? Seriously, how do you come up with these numbers!!! 99% of all NBA fans?!?! I'm sure there are other forums that are a little better suited for this topic (hell, I bet this topic would get 20 pages in the OTC forum).

You cant just come in here and spout off all these crazy accusations with out backing it up and expect a positive result or welcome. That would be like going to a Walmart in South Carolina and start talking trash about Garth Brooks! You just dont do it! Pick your battles (and the battle ground for that matter) a little better.

True.

[niko]

I can't stand xenophobic Americans. That is not a disparaging remark against Americans. Believe it or not, every American is not a xenophobe. Sure, amongst NBA fans here the rate is disturbingly high (99 percent), but for most of America it's probably only about 70%.

I have absolutely no problem with Americans that are normal, intelligent, and nice people. I just don't like the ones that are obvious douches. And I feel the same about people from all countries.

How do you feel about people who just make shit up? Because this statement about the olympics is 100% not true. I saw those games, the american team had huge trouble adjusting to the olympic rules, which were enforced.

And when i say i saw those games i mean partically EVERY minute of EVERY game. You are totally talking out of your ass. 100%. Also, the olympic officials are AWFUL. They make calls at random, and at best the americans get random officiating. That you would think they woudl conspire for the americans is absurd. Totally absurd.

The reason you can't post literature backing this up is because you are making it up. And considering you can find almost any conspircay somwhere on the net, the fact you can't find one article collaborating this is very telling.

For anyone arguing this with him, don't bother. He's really making this up.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

How do you feel about people who just make shit up? Because this statement about the olympics is 100% not true. I saw those games, the american team had huge trouble adjusting to the olympic rules, which were enforced.

And when i say i saw those games i mean partically EVERY minute of EVERY game. You are totally talking out of your ass. 100%. Also, the olympic officials are AWFUL. They make calls at random, and at best the americans get random officiating. That you would think they woudl conspire for the americans is absurd. Totally absurd.

The reason you can't post literature backing this up is because you are making it up. And considering you can find almost any conspircay somwhere on the net, the fact you can't find one article collaborating this is very telling.

For anyone arguing this with him, don't bother. He's really making this up.

Strange, how every single European poster in the thread agreed with me and with what I said. See, your "truth" isn't truth, it's "truth".

[Xsatyr]

Strange, how every single European poster in the thread agreed with me and with what I said. See, your "truth" isn't truth, it's "truth".

American hate is strong, and there are still Europeans who disagree with you.

Edit: After going through the thread only a select few agree with you, many of them have low post counts. Alt accounts ftw...

Bottom line is you have no proof so qq.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

American hate is strong, and there are still Europeans who disagree with you.

No. Everyone in Europe knows that team USA was reffed differently and that it was announced all over European medias. You are just trying to monopolize world opinion to count as only what American media says.

Pretty typical, but keep in mind that the United Nations rates US media as #37 in the whole world in reliability. China's media was rated higher. And sports media in the US is controlled by ESPN, which is about like Fox News in terms of reliability, so in a sports related topic, the US media is even less worthy than a #37 rank.

Of course, once again, American NBA fans are only interested in their own delusions about this stuff. So they make up lies like in this thread, that Spanish, Lithuanian, French medias "don't count" and that those stories and articles are "made up". Even though those countries have medias that are rated as being much more honest than the US media.

Basically, American news media lies so much to Americans that the average American simply can't grasp the concept of truth and lies anymore.

[Xsatyr]

No. Everyone in Europe knows that team USA was reffed differently and that it was announced all over European medias. You are just trying to monopolize world opinion to count as only what American media says.

Pretty typical, but keep in mind that the United Nations rates US media as #37 in the whole world in reliability. China's media was rated higher. And sports media in the US is controlled by ESPN, which is about like Fox News in terms of reliability, so in a sports related topic, the US media is even less worthy than a #37 rank.

Of course, once again, American NBA fans are only interested in their own delusions about this stuff. So they make up lies like in this thread, that Spanish, Lithuanian, French medias "don't count" and that those stories and articles are "made up". Even though those countries have medias that are rated as being much more honest than the US media.

Basically, American news media lies so much to Americans that the average American simply can't grasp the concept of truth and lies anymore.

Yet you are struggling to find proof...

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Yet you are struggling to find proof...

Keep saying that lie just like everyone else. The proof was already posted from multiple medias from multiple countries and in multiple languages, including in English.

After this is posted, the response was simply "where is the proof". You have the proof and you refuse to accept it. End of my discussion with you.

[Derek Zoolander]

What's typical is that you are not even aware that Team USA played under NBA rules. You are ignorant and you expect others to happily accept your ignorance as fact, even though it is wrong.
Was Manu allowed to play under NBA rules too? Is that how he got 27 ppg?

[Xsatyr]

Keep saying that lie just like everyone else. The proof was already posted from multiple medias from multiple countries and in multiple languages, including in English.

After this is posted, the response was simply "where is the proof". You have the proof and you refuse to accept it. End of my discussion with you.

I saw that and also saw what U got served quoted from the main ref, why ignore him?

[Lakas Fan Yo]

I saw that and also saw what U got served quoted from the main ref, why ignore him?

The "main ref" never denied one thing. He simply disagreed that he gave out unfair technical calls. He, like ALL other refs was doing what they were told to do by FIBA. Ref Team USA differently and he that is what he did.

The German ref was just stating the obvious, that it was wrong and unfair and gave Team USA an unfair advantage. No ref ever disputed that it was done. That other ref merely didn't like the implication that he helped Team USA.

It's a bit pathetic to even use that ref's statement as an argument. He, like all the other refs admitted that the rules were changed for USA. He just didn't like the implication that he helped the US with bogus technical fouls.

[Xsatyr]

The "main ref" never denied one thing. He simply disagreed that he gave out unfair technical calls. He, like ALL other refs was doing what they were told to do by FIBA. Ref Team USA differently and he that is what he did.

The German ref was just stating the obvious, that it was wrong and unfair and gave Team USA an unfair advantage. No ref ever disputed that it was done. That other ref merely didn't like the implication that he helped Team USA.

It's a bit pathetic to even use that ref's statement as an argument. He, like all the other refs admitted that the rules were changed for USA. He just didn't like the implication that he helped the US with bogus technical fouls.

lol that is not what he said, you have reading comprehension issues. He said, "I think she is making it up." Does not get anymore clearer than that.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Was Manu allowed to play under NBA rules too? Is that how he got 27 ppg?

1. Nope. Manu was reffed to FIBA rules.

2. Manu averaged 17.7 points per game, not 27. Nice try though.

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08/olym/men/teamPlay/play/p/competitioncode//eventid/4004/langid/1/langlc/en/playernumber/28663/roundid/4004/season//teamnumber/237/fe_teamPlay_playStat.html

Big difference from 18 a game to 27 a game. Nice attempt at a glaring exaggeration though.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

lol that is not what he said, you have reading comprehension issues.

No you do. In fact that ref and FIBA clarified that Team USA was reffed under NBA rules, as did the Chinese Basketball Federation. Those are the facts. I am telling you now, I'm done arguing with you about something that is true and you refuse to accept because it pisses you off.

[niko]

Strange, how every single European poster in the thread agreed with me and with what I said. See, your "truth" isn't truth, it's "truth".

No, it's common sense. and watching the games. The US had so much trouble adjusting stylewise. If you wanted to do a conspiracy theory you would ahve probably been better served even saying the last olympics.

i like hwo you bring the media in this, the media in this country would have jumped all over a conspiracy theory if it made it to AP, because the type of reporting we get for the olympics is cursory at best. Its not a big story, even with the NBA players.

[goldenryan]

can lebron stop getting all the calls?

http://i42.tinypic.com/2zp6nhc.jpg

[Lakas Fan Yo]

No, it's common sense. and watching the games. The US had so much trouble adjusting stylewise. If you wanted to do a conspiracy theory you would ahve probably been better served even saying the last olympics.

i like hwo you bring the media in this, the media in this country would have jumped all over a conspiracy theory if it made it to AP, because the type of reporting we get for the olympics is cursory at best. Its not a big story, even with the NBA players.

The Olympic ref that was in charge of the group stage games said it. The Chinese Basketball Federation said it. French media said it. Spanish media said it. Lithuanian media said it.

FIBA itself in conjunction with the Chinese Basketball Federation announced it prior to the games. You demanding a link to Mandarin is about as childish and immature as it gets.

Bottom line is the ONLY "conspiracy theory" is the one that you and everyone else are spouting that denies this happened. The conspiracy theory is the one that you are making up, and it's not true.

[Xsatyr]

No you do. In fact that ref and FIBA clarified that Team USA was reffed under NBA rules, as did the Chinese Basketball Federation. Those are the facts. I am telling you now, I'm done arguing with you about something that is true and you refuse to accept because it pisses you off.

Where is the proof? You have nothing, dude give it up. Your hate for America is strong, almost every thread you make has an agenda against America.

[zORi]

No, it's common sense. and watching the games. The US had so much trouble adjusting stylewise. If you wanted to do a conspiracy theory you would ahve probably been better served even saying the last olympics.

i like hwo you bring the media in this, the media in this country would have jumped all over a conspiracy theory if it made it to AP, because the type of reporting we get for the olympics is cursory at best. Its not a big story, even with the NBA players.

Exactly.

The amount of news coverage on this would be staggering.

I could see it now.

"NBA Commissioner bribes Team USA to the victory!!"

[Xsatyr]

The Olympic ref that was in charge of the group stage games said it. The Chinese Basketball Federation said it. French media said it. Spanish media said it. Lithuanian media said it.FIBA itself in conjunction with the Chinese Basketball Federation announced it prior to the games. You demanding a link to Mandarin is about as childish and immature as it gets.

Bottom line is the ONLY "conspiracy theory" is the one that you and everyone else are spouting that denies this happened. The conspiracy theory is the one that you are making up, and it's not true.

They did not say anything, they quoted one ref who was probably butt hurt to see America win. Btw was that ref your mom?

[Derek Zoolander]

1. Nope. Manu was reffed to FIBA rules.

2. Manu averaged 17.7 points per game, not 27. Nice try though.

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08/olym/men/teamPlay/play/p/competitioncode//eventid/4004/langid/1/langlc/en/playernumber/28663/roundid/4004/season//teamnumber/237/fe_teamPlay_playStat.html

Big difference from 18 a game to 27 a game. Nice attempt at a glaring exaggeration though.

Wow, Manu is the GOAT SG judging by this, 60% FG and 39.5% from 3 lol ridiculous how much better an good NBA player like Manu is over the European trash teams like Team Lithuania that he went against.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Exactly.

The amount of news coverage on this would be staggering.

I could see it now.

"NBA Commissioner bribes Team USA to the victory!!"

The same US media that had billions at stake with the NBA collusion deal for the Olympics. Sure, that is exactly what they would have done.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

They did not say anything, they quoted one ref who was probably butt hurt to see America win. Btw was that ref your mom?

Like I said, you were given the proof. You refuse to acknowledge it. You're just a disgruntled fan boy that is pissed off that Team USA had an asterisk on their win.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Wow, Manu is the GOAT SG judging by this, 60% FG and 39.5% from 3 lol ridiculous how much better an good NBA player like Manu is over the European trash teams like Team Lithuania that he went against.

You really have some issues. The stats CLEARLY showed he shot 49%, not 60%.

[Xsatyr]

Like I said, you were given the proof. You refuse to acknowledge it. You're just a disgruntled fan boy that is pissed off that Team USA had an asterisk on their win.

And you were given that countered your quotes. And I am not the one who is disgruntled, do you see me making garbage threads just so I can cry about how good America is.