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SmoothJ2
03-22-2010, 06:58 PM
Just curious, has Lebron always been the #1 player in the 03' draft?

Indian guy
03-22-2010, 06:59 PM
04-05 and 05-06 Wade has a pretty good case.

che guevara
03-22-2010, 07:01 PM
Lebron has been better in 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008, and 2010. 2006 and 2009 are debatable, and seeing as Wade was the Finals MVP in 2006, you probably have to give it to him that year. Last year Wade and Lebron were just about equal statistically, but Lebron was on a better team.

Knoe Itawl
03-22-2010, 07:04 PM
If DWade gets on a competitive team, I fully expect this to be very close in the years to come. This depends on Wade's health, but he's been pretty healthy the past couple of seasons.

I think Wade waws his equal or better in 06 and 09 and I suspect that mentally he hasn't been as in it this season.

Glide2keva
03-22-2010, 07:17 PM
If DWade gets on a competitive team, I fully expect this to be very close in the years to come. This depends on Wade's health, but he's been pretty healthy the past couple of seasons.

I think Wade waws his equal or better in 06 and 09 and I suspect that mentally he hasn't been as in it this season.
Wade led his team to the crown while lebron led the way home. Wade has never lost in the Finals while lebron has never won in the Finals (not even a game)

Wade when healthy put up similar numbers to lebron, but lebron got the hype, especially in 2009 where he was robbed of MVP. But as long a lebron has ESPN backing him, he will be considered better than Wade, even though he really has nothing to show for it.

phazed out
03-22-2010, 07:24 PM
yeah, he still is.

Dont be Fooled by E!SPN

Wade has a ring as the main man.

Bron Doesnt.

/Thread

Glide2keva
03-22-2010, 07:26 PM
yeah, he still is.

Dont be Fooled by E!SPN

Wade has a ring as the main man.

Bron Doesnt.

/Thread
Pretty much and he is STILL the ONLY one to LEAD his team to a title from that draft.

che guevara
03-22-2010, 07:30 PM
Wade led his team to the crown while lebron led the way home. Wade has never lost in the Finals while lebron has never won in the Finals (not even a game)

Wade when healthy put up similar numbers to lebron, but lebron got the hype, especially in 2009 where he was robbed of MVP. But as long a lebron has ESPN backing him, he will be considered better than Wade, even though he really has nothing to show for it.
Except an MVP, better stats, more team success in the last 4 years, and 81 more games played in his career (a full season more of games played in just 7 years). He also never had a player as good as 2005 - 2006 Shaq on his team.

And Wade was robbed of an MVP? :oldlol: Lebron's stats were just as good and his team won 23 more games.

MMM
03-22-2010, 07:33 PM
Yes in spurts but i'm not sure of over a full season. Wade in 05-06 was a beast though but he hasn't played at that level until last season due to all the injuries.

Knoe Itawl
03-22-2010, 07:34 PM
Wade led his team to the crown while lebron led the way home. Wade has never lost in the Finals while lebron has never won in the Finals (not even a game)

Wade when healthy put up similar numbers to lebron, but lebron got the hype, especially in 2009 where he was robbed of MVP. But as long a lebron has ESPN backing him, he will be considered better than Wade, even though he really has nothing to show for it.

I most def agree that Bron has overall been more hyped than Wade (though Wade was up there during the championship run). And I also think that it's been a lot closer than the media wants to concede. However, to be fair, Wade's championship team was a lot better in terms of talent than Bron's was. There wasn't anyone who expected the Cavs to beat the Spurs that season. I also think that as much as I love Wade, they had to give Bron MVP that year based on the criteria that has traditionally been used for the award. If you're saying that's a BS criteria, that's fine, but based on it I can't say Wade was "robbed".

Wade's also had the issues of being injured a lot, while Bron has remained healthy pretty much his whole career.

Bottom line is that Bron has been unreal this season, while Wade has not been on his level (though still a great player). If they get similar caliber teams I think Wade will be right there again. Wade has to carry so much of the load in Miami, for nothing, that I think it's worn on him mentally. Can't wait to see what free agency brings!

Kellogs4toniee
03-22-2010, 07:38 PM
The year Wade won a championship as the underdogs with his playoff performance and last years Wade with all the clutch shots and memorable moments can be argued against Lebron respective to those seasons.

Aside from those years, not really. Lebron is just a more complete player overall. Only knock on Lebron is his field goal percentage is lower than Wade's, which is notable because one's a shooting guard and one's a forward. However, Wade's shooting percentage this year has dropped considerably.

ShaqAttack3234
03-22-2010, 07:41 PM
Wade was better in 2006-2007, but his season was ruined by injuries.

catch24
03-22-2010, 07:41 PM
I most def agree that Bron has overall been more hyped than Wade (though Wade was up there during the championship run). And I also think that it's been a lot closer than the media wants to concede. However, to be fair, Wade's championship team was a lot better in terms of talent than Bron's was. There wasn't anyone who expected the Cavs to beat the Spurs that season. I also think that as much as I love Wade, they had to give Bron MVP that year based on the criteria that has traditionally been used for the award. If you're saying that's a BS criteria, that's fine, but based on it I can't say Wade was "robbed".

Wade's also had the issues of being injured a lot, while Bron has remained healthy pretty much his whole career.

Bottom line is that Bron has been unreal this season, while Wade has not been on his level (though still a great player). If they get similar caliber teams I think Wade will be right there again. Wade has to carry so much of the load in Miami, for nothing, that I think it's worn on him mentally. Can't wait to see what free agency brings!

I think Wade is coasting 'till the post season, where hopefully he'll play anything like he did last year (seemed he was exhausted when the playoffs came around in '09 vs ATL -- he torched them during the regular season). I also agree with Wade being on a contender and seeing his game elevate to another level. To be honest, Kobe is labeled "The best!" or "Him and Lebron are top two in the game today", but that's just NOT the case. When Wade's right (still shooting better than Kobe at the moment), he's arguably the best player in the L.

che guevara
03-22-2010, 07:46 PM
Wade was better in 2006-2007, but his season was ruined by injuries.
I agree, but 78 games from 2007 Lebron is better than 51 games from 2007 Wade. Something wasn't right with Lebron that year.

Glide2keva
03-22-2010, 07:57 PM
Except an MVP, better stats, more team success in the last 4 years, and 81 more games played in his career (a full season more of games played in just 7 years). He also never had a player as good as 2005 - 2006 Shaq on his team.

And Wade was robbed of an MVP? :oldlol: Lebron's stats were just as good and his team won 23 more games.
If you look at Wade's impact on his team vs. lebron's that year, there is no question that Wade should've gotten the award. But ESPN wouldn't even put him in the discussion and since ESPN is in bed with the NBA, they have a lot of influence, considering a lot of writers with votes also work for ESPN.

Every one of Wade's points was scored witt the teams postseason dreams riding on them lebron was able to coast and even sit out the final game of the season.

lebron didn't deserve the MVP he got, IMO.

lebron can have all the stats he wants, but he doesn't have the ring and that's all that matters in the end.

ShaqAttack3234
03-22-2010, 07:58 PM
I agree, but 78 games from 2007 Lebron is better than 51 games from 2007 Wade. Something wasn't right with Lebron that year.

Yeah, oddly it's the only season he's gotten to the finals, but without question, his worst season since his rookie year. He was struggling with his free throws, had almost no jumpshot(except for game 5 vs Detroit), he wasn't having the same big games regularly, I think he hit 40 points only once that season and even his assist numbers were noticeably lower than normal. It was surprising to see him average just 25 ppg on 42% shooting for the playoffs. I can't imagine this current version of Lebron being held to those numbers for a series, much less a playoff run.

che guevara
03-22-2010, 08:02 PM
If you look at Wade's impact on his team vs. lebron's that year, there is no question that Wade should've gotten the award. But ESPN wouldn't even put him in the discussion and since ESPN is in bed with the NBA, they have a lot of influence, considering a lot of writers with votes also work for ESPN.

Every one of Wade's points was scored witt the teams postseason dreams riding on them lebron was able to coast and even sit out the final game of the season.

lebron didn't deserve the MVP he got, IMO.

lebron can have all the stats he wants, but he doesn't have the ring and that's all that matters in the end.
The first part of your post is just an opinion with absolutely nothing backing it up. Post some actual evidence that Wade had more impact on his team than Lebron. Lebron has never had a team good enough to get a ring - this is the first year his team has been good enough to have a real chance. Lebron was never lucky enough to play with a barely past his prime Shaq.

Glide2keva
03-22-2010, 08:05 PM
The first part of your post is just an opinion with absolutely nothing backing it up. Post some actual evidence that Wade had more impact on his team than Lebron. Lebron has never had a team good enough to get a ring - this is the first year his team has been good enough to have a real chance. Lebron was never lucky enough to play with a barely past his prime Shaq.
Um, did lebron's team not win 66 games, or am I mistaken?

And was that same 66 win team not favored to win the Finals or at least make it to the finals, or am I mistaken?

Was everyone, including myself saying that it was going to be Cleveland vs. lakers that year?

I must be thinking of another team then or another player.

Knoe Itawl
03-22-2010, 08:09 PM
Um, did lebron's team not win 66 games, or am I mistaken?

And was that same 66 win team not favored to win the Finals or at least make it to the finals, or am I mistaken?

Was everyone, including myself saying that it was going to be Cleveland vs. lakers that year?

I must be thinking of another team then or another player.

Glide, I'd love Wade to win an MVP being that he's my favorite player but Miami just didn't have enough wins to give it to him, based on how the award has traditionally been given out. I think Wade was better than Bron last year, but they give it out the way they give it out. That's not ESPN's fault. If Wade had won enough games, I think he would've gotten it.

che guevara
03-22-2010, 08:10 PM
Um, did lebron's team not win 66 games, or am I mistaken?

And was that same 66 win team not favored to win the Finals or at least make it to the finals, or am I mistaken?

Was everyone, including myself saying that it was going to be Cleveland vs. lakers that year?

I must be thinking of another team then or another player.
Everyone? I saw tons of people predicting the Magic to win the series in 5 or 6 games. The Cavs overachieved that year - they had no business winning 66 games when the 2nd best player was Mo Williams. They struggled vs. elite teams for the whole regular season, it's not like nobody saw it coming.

And are you really going to blame Lebron for that loss? He played out of his mind. Mo Williams disappeared in the series, and Z was eaten alive by Dwight.

kkling
03-22-2010, 08:10 PM
Um, did lebron's team not win 66 games, or am I mistaken?

And was that same 66 win team not favored to win the Finals or at least make it to the finals, or am I mistaken?

Was everyone, including myself saying that it was going to be Cleveland vs. lakers that year?

I must be thinking of another team then or another player.

Yes, you are mistaken on every account except the 66 wins. Anyone that actually watched the Cavs knew they had huge issues against Orlando.

Glide2keva
03-22-2010, 08:18 PM
Yes, you are mistaken on every account except the 66 wins. Anyone that actually watched the Cavs knew they had huge issues against Orlando.
So no one was picking them to make the finals prior to the playoffs starting?

I clearly remember every basketball outlet was saying lakers vs. Cavs that year.

Amil23
03-22-2010, 08:24 PM
Dwhistle was better in 06

The GM
03-22-2010, 08:35 PM
Wade was better in 06 through 08 and is still as good as Lebron now.

nbastatus
03-22-2010, 08:46 PM
Lebron has been better in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010.

TennesseeFan
03-22-2010, 08:49 PM
Wade was better the first three years, when he was tearing up the playoffs and LeBron was watching him on his couch.

DukeDelonte13
03-22-2010, 08:56 PM
Wade is a beast, no doubt about that. He definitely has a case in a few seasons, but Bron has ben nothing short of phenomenal as well.

dynasty1978
03-22-2010, 09:00 PM
Until Lebron started to play defense last season, Wade was the better player..injuries notwithstanding.

DC Zephyrs
03-22-2010, 09:45 PM
Lebron James is and always has been better than Dwyane Wade.

magnax1
03-22-2010, 09:57 PM
05-07 easily. 09 was pretty close.

Papaya Petee
03-22-2010, 09:58 PM
Lebron has been better in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010.


No, just no, go slap yourself.

in 2005-2006 and 2008-2009 Wade was better, and was better in 2006-2007 until he got injured.

Amil23
03-22-2010, 10:04 PM
lol at Wade being better in 08-09

lilgodfather1
03-22-2010, 10:10 PM
I gave Wade the nod in 05-07 because he was also a tenacious defender at the time while LeBron never really was. But in 08 when LeBron was a better offensive player by far and an equal defensively than Lebron was the better player. Not to mention the things that LeBron does better than Wade like pass, rebound, score, make team mates better.

206kid
03-22-2010, 10:12 PM
Lol.. Wade is a better player now..

AirJordan23
03-22-2010, 10:15 PM
Wade was better in the '05 and '06 playoffs. I don't think anyone's going to argue with that. I have little doubt that the Heat reach the finals if Wade doesn't get injured in the ECF. I'd actually pick them over the Spurs for the championship. He missed game 6 where they got blown out. And he wasn't healthy for game 7. He did play his heart out but he just didn't have the impact. Shot like 40% and missed a crucial 3 iirc. We all know what he did in the '06 playoffs. Had a historic finals series. Dominated the Pistons who were one of the best defensive teams in the league.

But, Wade has never been a better season player than James. And I'm saying that as a big Wade fan. As great as Wade was last season, I don't think he had enough impact as LeBron. Wade was better in the '06-07 season before he got dislocated his left shoulder but once you factor in that injury, you'd obviously pick James. Would have loved to seen Wade with a injury-free career. Hopefully, he doesn't suffer another one. I would say this, though. Wade has the potential to have a better season than LeBron granted he's motivated and has the right team to around him to take off the pressure off of him. Would also help if James had somewhat of a down year.

Amil23
03-22-2010, 10:15 PM
^^:lol :oldlol: :roll: ...............Ok

Tito Beasley
03-22-2010, 10:17 PM
yeah, he still is.

Dont be Fooled by E!SPN

Wade has a ring as the main man.

Bron Doesnt.

/Thread

you're a retarded man.

/thread.

Living Being
03-22-2010, 10:18 PM
Lebron has been better in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010.
:lol :lol :oldlol: :oldlol: :roll: :roll: :banana: :banana:
:applause:

:rolleyes:

AirJordan23
03-22-2010, 10:19 PM
^^:lol :oldlol: :roll: ...............Ok
Care to mention what you disagree with?

Lebron23
03-22-2010, 10:19 PM
you're a retarded man.

/thread.


+1

Amil23
03-22-2010, 10:19 PM
Care to mention what you disagree with?
Not referring to you

Living Being
03-22-2010, 10:30 PM
Care to mention what you disagree with?
You guys posted at the same time. You should know this, being a poster on ISH.

BFRESH44
03-22-2010, 10:32 PM
05-07(pre shoulder Injury) = Only case Wade could've had an argurment

2009 = neck and neck

There's a solid gap in Lebron's favor now, though.

Living Being
03-22-2010, 10:34 PM
05-07(pre shoulder Injury) = Only case Wade could've had an argurment

2009 = neck and neck

There's a solid gap in Lebron's favor now, though.
It's okay, Wade is better. You can live with this fact, easily.

ILLsmak
03-22-2010, 10:41 PM
Just curious, has Lebron always been the #1 player in the 03' draft?

I think Wade was always better until recently.

07, maybe?

flame on.

-Smak

PianoMan
03-22-2010, 10:56 PM
When it comes to the Seasons since they benn to the nba ill probably give the edge to Lebron cause Wade has been injured but as well know Wade will always be the better playoff performer and player than Lebron james. But yea this year Lebron is better than Wade. But this year we will see what happens in the playoffs this is the defining moment for both players.

guy
03-22-2010, 11:27 PM
Wade led his team to the crown while lebron led the way home. Wade has never lost in the Finals while lebron has never won in the Finals (not even a game)

Wade when healthy put up similar numbers to lebron, but lebron got the hype, especially in 2009 where he was robbed of MVP. But as long a lebron has ESPN backing him, he will be considered better than Wade, even though he really has nothing to show for it.

How the hell was Wade "robbed" in 2009? Its amazing that Lebron won 66 games with that team. That was easily the worse supporting cast any great player has ever lead to that many wins. His supporting cast wasn't that much better then Wade's either.

Anyway, I'd say Lebron has been better pretty much every year except for 2006. Its been arguable between the two in 05, 06, and 09, but Lebron was clearly better in 04, 07, 08, and this year.

Jacks3
03-22-2010, 11:30 PM
I'd take Wade in 05-06.

Scribbles
03-22-2010, 11:31 PM
Wade has been better almost every year besides that year where he was injured.

ShaqAttack3234
03-22-2010, 11:31 PM
Anyway, I'd say Lebron has been better pretty much every year except for 2006. Its been arguable between the two in 05, 06, and 09, but Lebron was clearly better in 04, 07, 08, and this year.

:confusedshrug:

guy
03-22-2010, 11:34 PM
:confusedshrug:

It was clearly Lebron that year cause Wade was injured.

plowking
03-22-2010, 11:35 PM
Since when is Lebron a better rebounder?
Wade averages more offensive rebounds this season and for his career.

ShaqAttack3234
03-22-2010, 11:36 PM
It was clearly Lebron that year cause Wade was injured.

Well, if you mean Lebron had the better season due to Wade's injury then I agree.

imdaman99
03-22-2010, 11:36 PM
doesn't matter, he's leading him in rings. once lebron makes that his #1 priority, he might join him.

plowking
03-22-2010, 11:39 PM
doesn't matter, he's leading him in rings. once lebron makes that his #1 priority, he might join him.

Lebron has more MVP's... 2 to 0.

Amil23
03-22-2010, 11:43 PM
So judging by most of the answers here,its unanimous,Wade is the best player in the NBA.........

plowking
03-22-2010, 11:44 PM
So judging by most of the answers here,its unanimous,Wade is the best player in the NBA.........

It's definitely arguable when Wade and Lebron are at their best. Obviously Wade is having an off season.

imdaman99
03-22-2010, 11:47 PM
id put it like this

if lebron's a 10 than
kobe =9.9
wade = 9.8

Dave3
03-22-2010, 11:47 PM
Since when is Lebron a better rebounder?
Wade averages more offensive rebounds this season and for his career.
Based on that logic, Bynum is a better rebounder than David Lee or Carlos Boozer, and Zach Randolph is a better rebounder than Dwight...

joyner82
03-23-2010, 12:10 AM
Yes Wade was better in the following years

2003-04
2004-05
2006-07(injured but he was the better player statistically)
2008-09(arguable)


LeBron has had by far the best season of their career's this year however.

Vragrant
03-23-2010, 12:46 AM
This is the only year ('09-'10) in their careers, I've thought Lebron is clearly better than Wade. Both at their peaks its realistically a toss up if you look at both objectively.

I think Wade was clearly better in '05,'06,and '09.

gmoney9
03-23-2010, 01:09 AM
^ Don't really know how you can say Wade was clearly better than him last season

Amil23
03-23-2010, 01:17 AM
^ Don't really know how you can say Wade was clearly better than him last season
Me neither

Vragrant
03-23-2010, 02:25 AM
Its close I suppose, I was just impressed by what Wade did with the amount of talent he had around him. The team was projected to miss the playoffs and they finished as the 5th seed and he won the scoring title. Which basically means his scoring was really productive in contributing to his team wins.

Its not like he was putting up great numbers on a bad team. Thats not to slight Lebron, I thought he had a great season as well (getting 66 wins out of that sqaud was impressive),

But I admit I'm more partial to Wade as a player so I'm probably a little biased.

joyner82
03-23-2010, 02:42 AM
^ Don't really know how you can say Wade was clearly better than him last season

He wasn't, it was very close. I would probably give the nod to Wade as an individual last year but it was very close.

nbastatus
03-23-2010, 02:57 AM
Lol.. Wade is a better player now..
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj6/kayleighrox101/smiley_lol.gif

lefthook00
03-23-2010, 03:03 AM
Wade and LeBron had comparable stats last year, but the fashion in which Wade did it = Wade was better last year(reg season). He was OFF THE CHAIN.

theguru
03-23-2010, 03:31 AM
Lebron has been better in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010.
This.

theguru
03-23-2010, 03:37 AM
Since when is Lebron a better rebounder?
Wade averages more offensive rebounds this season and for his career.

Since when does Wade shoot a higher fg%? Lebron is higher from 3.

Legendofthe718
03-23-2010, 03:40 AM
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj6/kayleighrox101/smiley_lol.gif


I'm lol'ing at your lol.

Legendofthe718
03-23-2010, 03:41 AM
This.

no.

Legendofthe718
03-23-2010, 03:43 AM
Let's put it like this when it counts (play-offs) Wade has gotten it done. So ultimately Wade is the better player. Lebron needs the hardware first to gain consideration.

joyner82
03-23-2010, 03:50 AM
This.

This is dumber than saying Wade>LeBron this year. I'm assuming you're a LeBron homer.

PleezeBelieve
03-23-2010, 05:09 AM
Lebron has been better in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010.
:oldlol:

Best post this chick has ever made.

PleezeBelieve
03-23-2010, 05:19 AM
:roll: :roll: :roll: @ the lames reasons people in this thread are using to support Wade.

People saying he was better in '06 due to what he did in the playoffs and yet have the nerve to say Wade was again better than LeBron in '09 despite getting smoked in the first round.

Gotdamn, what type of crack you people smoke? Never seen people just manufacture make-believe points out of nowhere as much as you do when it comes to LeBron.

PleezeBelieve
03-23-2010, 05:24 AM
Wade has never taken a breath as a human being and been a better basketball player than LeBron at the same time.

Wade may have been a better pregnancy for his mom than LeBron was for Gloria, but the buck stops there.

Again, :roll: @ contradiction in this thread.

joyner82
03-23-2010, 08:29 AM
You're a Cavs/LeBron homer idiot. Noone takes your opinion on this subject with more than a grain of salt.

Glide2keva
03-23-2010, 09:09 AM
I gave Wade the nod in 05-07 because he was also a tenacious defender at the time while LeBron never really was. But in 08 when LeBron was a better offensive player by far and an equal defensively than Lebron was the better player. Not to mention the things that LeBron does better than Wade like pass, rebound, score, make team mates better.
lebron makes his mates better, but not good enough to win it all and not even win a game in the finals.

Yeah, that clearly makes him better than a guy who actually won it and the Finals MVP and made his teammates better, nevermind the fact that he won with and over the hill gang of Shaq, Zo and Payton, Kobe could even lead Shaq and Payton to all but ONE win in the finals two years prior.

lebron gets so much credit for a guy who hasn't done anything but stat pad and dance around like an idiot, oh and stomred off the court like a petulent child.

1 ring and Finals MVP>no rings and two reg. season MVP's

Lebron23
03-23-2010, 09:21 AM
LeBron would win an NBA title without the help of the referees.

F*ck you Bennett Salvatore!!!

joyner82
03-23-2010, 09:32 AM
You are an idiot. I hope you die this year old man.

Wade had a better supporting casts and Coaching staff than LeBron in their first 3 seasons in the NBA.

Wade get so much credit for a guy who led his team in the worst record in the NBA, and his team was swept by the Chicago Bulls in the first round of the 2007 playoffs.

If LeBron wins his first NBA Finals MVP this year he's going to be head and shoulders above Wade.


LOL BUTTHURT MUCH?

Lebron23
03-23-2010, 09:34 AM
LOL BUTTHURT MUCH?


Glide2keva is an idiot. He hated Kobe and LeBron.

joyner82
03-23-2010, 09:36 AM
Glide2keva is an idiot. He hated Kobe and LeBron.


Kobe is an alleged rapist. LeBron is a 25 year old showboater covered in tattoo's with 2 illegitimate children and displays 0 sportsmanship. I could see how people would dislike both of them.

lilgodfather1
03-23-2010, 10:33 AM
lebron makes his mates better, but not good enough to win it all and not even win a game in the finals.

Yeah, that clearly makes him better than a guy who actually won it and the Finals MVP and made his teammates better, nevermind the fact that he won with and over the hill gang of Shaq, Zo and Payton, Kobe could even lead Shaq and Payton to all but ONE win in the finals two years prior.

lebron gets so much credit for a guy who hasn't done anything but stat pad and dance around like an idiot, oh and stomred off the court like a petulent child.

1 ring and Finals MVP>no rings and two reg. season MVP's
1 = the number of non current players not in the HOF with a regular season MVP (Malone, not yet eligible, first ballot when he is).
4 = the number of non current players not in the HOF with a finals MVP (and they've been eligible for a long time)

A regular season MVP is better than a finals MVP because you have to be the best player for 82 games. In the finals all that you have to do is be the best player on the court for 7 games maximum. An MVP shows sustained dominance, a finals MVP (especially in the case of Wades) shows extreme luck.

plowking
03-23-2010, 10:37 AM
LeBron would win an NBA title without the help of the referees.

F*ck you Bennett Salvatore!!!

You are so sad...

Get a life.

lukekarts
03-23-2010, 12:00 PM
Wade was better in 05 & 06. Sure he had a better supporting cast, but he even puts up great numbers with a past it Jermaine O'Neal as second option.

I think LeBron is capable of more, and he makes his team great in the regular season; but actually my concern with LeBron is that the Cavs become so focused on him that come the playoffs, when his teammates need to step up, they just aren't ready. He needs a championship to prove he's better than Wade.

lilgodfather1
03-23-2010, 01:08 PM
Wade was better in 05 & 06. Sure he had a better supporting cast, but he even puts up great numbers with a past it Jermaine O'Neal as second option.

I think LeBron is capable of more, and he makes his team great in the regular season; but actually my concern with LeBron is that the Cavs become so focused on him that come the playoffs, when his teammates need to step up, they just aren't ready. He needs a championship to prove he's better than Wade.
The last part doesn't make sense. There is a rather significant gap in their play this year and therefore LeBron is better. If you want to talk about putting up good numbers try that with Larry Hughes as the second option on your team. The same Larry Hughes who couldn't get PT on the Knicks or stay on the court on the Cavs. If they both retired today LeBron would be a top 40-50 AT, Wade would be in the 60s or 70s due to all of the injuries he has suffered in his career. That's not Wades fault, but it comes into play when comparing players. Saying Wade is better than Lebron is like saying Grant Hill is better than MJ because Grant had a couple of really good years.

theguru
03-23-2010, 01:30 PM
This is dumber than saying Wade>LeBron this year. I'm assuming you're a LeBron homer.

I don't think so. I mean, when was Wade ever undisputedly better than Lebron during a season? Of course, his playoff run was better than anything than Lebron has ever done, but I don't think that you can say he was undisputedly better than Lebron for a single season. Thus, me saying that Lebron has always been better than Wade is not that much of a dumb statement. There have been a lot dumber posts in this thread to criticize, I don't know why you called mine dumb.

fubu05
03-23-2010, 01:41 PM
Pretty much and he is STILL the ONLY one to LEAD his team to a title from that draft.

This year Melo's team and Lebron's team are looking to be very good. I don't think wade will have that honor for much longer. Let's also not forget that Wade is 28 right now. Melo and Bron are turning 26 this year. Wade most likely isnt winning one this year, but those two guys have a good chance at it this year, and are 2 years younger than Wade. A lot can happen in 2 seasons. It's not really fair to say this player is better than this player because he has this achievement when we haven't seen their careers unfold.

DukeDelonte13
03-23-2010, 02:05 PM
This year Melo's team and Lebron's team are looking to be very good. I don't think wade will have that honor for much longer. Let's also not forget that Wade is 28 right now. Melo and Bron are turning 26 this year. Wade most likely isnt winning one this year, but those two guys have a good chance at it this year, and are 2 years younger than Wade. A lot can happen in 2 seasons. It's not really fair to say this player is better than this player because he has this achievement when we haven't seen their careers unfold.


Lebron already turned 25 this year. He won't be 26 till next year methinks.

fubu05
03-23-2010, 02:07 PM
Lebron already turned 25 this year. He won't be 26 till next year methinks.

Serious? I thought he is turning 26 late this year, I remember him being a real late one.

Dave3
03-23-2010, 02:09 PM
Serious? I thought he is turning 26 late this year, I remember him being a real late one.
I feel stupid for knowing this, but they bring it up everytime they play a game in December, so I know that his birthday is December 30th - that's when he'll turn 26.

PleezeBelieve
03-23-2010, 04:03 PM
Why are people entertaining this thread? I already did the stanky leg in this b*tch, shutting this sh*t down.

Move on....

joyner82
03-23-2010, 04:19 PM
Why are people entertaining this thread? I already did the stanky leg in this b*tch, shutting this sh*t down.

Move on....

You're an idiot either way, but I hope you're black.

Amil23
03-23-2010, 05:26 PM
Why are people entertaining this thread? I already did the stanky leg in this b*tch, shutting this sh*t down.

Move on....
:lol :oldlol: :roll:

Amil23
03-23-2010, 05:26 PM
You're an idiot either way, but I hope you're black.
How dare you,you fat racist..............:no: :mad: :rant

phoenix18
03-23-2010, 05:32 PM
Wade was better from 1982-2007.

08-09 Wade was awesome too.

DukeDelonte13
03-23-2010, 05:33 PM
Why are people entertaining this thread? I already did the stanky leg in this b*tch, shutting this sh*t down.

Move on....
:oldlol: :roll: :oldlol:

joyner82
03-23-2010, 06:00 PM
How dare you,you fat racist..............:no: :mad: :rant

clearly my post has racial connotations attached.

MakeHistory78
03-23-2010, 06:14 PM
Kobe is an alleged rapist. LeBron is a 25 year old showboater covered in tattoo's with 2 illegitimate children and displays 0 sportsmanship. I could see how people would dislike both of them.
I remember that you are a big fan of Kevin Durant,right?
Both LeBron and Kobe they are by far better players than Durant so you must learn to respect them.We talk about basketball not about rapists and tattoos..
You seem like a 14 years old kid who start this year watch basketball and try to despute LeBron and Kobe because you are a Durant fan and you never watched great players before.

TennesseeFan
03-23-2010, 06:40 PM
http://cdn.guyism.com/wp-content/uploads/darkomilicic.jpg > http://artfiles.art.com/5/p/LRG/12/1248/NC1T000Z/carmelo-anthony-dwyane-wade-lebron-james--2005-nba-all-star-game.jpg

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Living Being
03-23-2010, 07:12 PM
Darko will still be one of the elite players in the NBA.......very soon.

Dray n Klay
03-26-2016, 03:12 PM
No, not even close.

WayOfWade
03-26-2016, 04:55 PM
Very interesting how Jeff would allow you to be created, troll away

stalkerforlife
03-26-2016, 05:56 PM
Wade didn't leave his own team twice in his prime to form two separate super teams.

And during their peaks, the numbers were very close.

So yes, Wade has been and still is better than Bran.